⏐︎▁ 12893
williamdunne: >Requests that you disable adblock ☟︎
williamdunne: >Displays adverts that play noise in the background.. on a video sit
williamdunne: *site
ben_vulpes: For example, there was a famous hack that provided a means of (1) removing a cons cell from a freelist, (2) updating the freelist, and (3) branching if the freelist was exhausted to the GC... in *one instruction*. << that *is* cool
ben_vulpes: "the difference between theory and practice is, uh, larger in practice than in theory" << paul graham! whatta dood
ben_vulpes: "It was solid enough to be a serious system that had real clients who depended on it." << oh for those days, and those clients
BingoBoingo: Oh, look at this OpenSSH change: "sshd(8): UseDNS now defaults to 'no'. Configurations that match against the client host name (via sshd_config(5) or authorized_keys) may need to re-enable it or convert to matching against addresses." http://www.openbsd.org/57.html
assbot: OpenBSD 5.7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4pQvQ )
mircea_popescu: this is a good move neh ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Depreciate all the DNS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : at battle of manzikert, spy to ars aslan : "my sultan, the enemy army is approaching us". ars aslan : "then we are approaching them as well"
trinque: damn, that's a good quote.
mircea_popescu: guy's name is actually alp arslan, upon research. i misremembered.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: "deprecate"
ben_vulpes: non?
trinque: that's the one
BingoBoingo: Eh, happens
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115893 << "so, how's his english?" "pretty good, there's just this thing that happens where he occasionally says something that sounds entirely wrong and then the conversation moves on, and five minutes later I ask about it and turns out to be some throwaway joke in romanian or french or latin." ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:02:01; mircea_popescu: except my usage is np
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115921 << "law of leaky abstractions" hurts so much more in these scenarios... ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:11:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115951 << iirc, my answer was "dunno, let's try" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:32:11; mircea_popescu: at any rate, THIS is why i ask people "well, can you do it on a cpanel box" well before.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: graham << was that from the 't' article ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: he did pull a normal box out of his sleeve later. it is now operational.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: thanks, but can't imagine what I would do with it. maybe ascii wants it :) https://www.fiverr.com/jakky91/draw-any-circuit-diagram-or-pcb-layout
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4skKO )
asciilifeform: mike_c: ugh, i don't need spamchickens for anything whatsoever
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha
mike_c: he'll design your circuits for you! for $5!
ben_vulpes: benefits of complaining, i suppose
ben_vulpes: dood
ben_vulpes: i could have tacos delivered for like 4 months with that
mike_c: hehe
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have slade's 't programming language' here. mega-book. recommended.
ben_vulpes: perhaps when you come visit, bring it for an extended loan if you're done
asciilifeform: it's for historical aficionados / lisp makers only, must warn
asciilifeform: does not describe a living animal
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: all i am actually good for is software archaeology after all
ben_vulpes considers the eerie parallel with his mothers work
asciilifeform: what was it ?
mike_c: fiverr call girl: https://www.fiverr.com/katiescarlett/talk-to-you-about-anything
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ExjzUn )
asciilifeform: how much of this exists anywhere other than the ads ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "cultural anthropology"
ben_vulpes: as far as i can figure, guesses (liberally sprinked with CYA) about what people did, extrapolated from their middens
cazalla: i wonder how much tablet traffic is demmed mobile
ben_vulpes goes for another, smaller glass of chablis
cazalla: mt
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115973 << haw well now i hafta read it ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 16:08:37; mats: special appearance by brendafdez
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers:
asciilifeform: (in case this was not clear from yesterday's thread) please -do- throw keys to http://nosuchlabs.com .
assbot: Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4u8Du )
asciilifeform: as many as you like.
trinque: asciilifeform: ones that have already been phuctored or only new ones?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lolwut ?
trinque: I recall chatter about whether the db was getting imported
asciilifeform: trinque: ones that already have been, can be retested (push button on the page)
trinque: ok
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what what?
asciilifeform: trinque: but otherwise, any
asciilifeform: (it will tell you if key has been seen before, also)
asciilifeform: or if individual moduli have been
asciilifeform: ... or their factors.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes meanwhile i figured it out. you were quoting teh fox missus
ben_vulpes: close, but other meat
mircea_popescu: mike_c this, imo, sums up the general utility of "revolutionary websites". people don't want accounts on them even if given away with 200 dollars worth of credit attached.
asciilifeform: i can imagine that -someone- wants
asciilifeform: just not me
mircea_popescu: because they actually are a much larger damage than that. sort-of like insanity.
mircea_popescu: "would you like aids for 200 bucks ?" "noty"
cazalla: tyrone is the best fiverr merchant btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miO8DPjSf78
assbot: Tyrone helps you check all your privileges. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1c04Bgq )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or mike_c or anyone sane in the fucking head. or over the age of 30.
asciilifeform: i don't need 200 worth of caltrops either
asciilifeform: doesn't mean they're entirely useless
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about half caltrops half bleach
ben_vulpes: i can put caltrops to work
ben_vulpes: and bleach
asciilifeform: now that - must.
asciilifeform: two tastes that go great together (TM) (R)
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: yeah
ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us ☟︎
trinque: ben_vulpes: was probably me, sorry!
trinque: :D
ben_vulpes: when i caught up to him at the stop light at the top of the hill, he had his phone out and was recording my endless tirade of abuse
ben_vulpes: naw ive seen your car it pollutes less and you're not nearly as fat as this old sack of shit
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> achtung, panzers: << dawg i thought you were going to PUT THE ARCHIVE THROUGH IT ALREADY!!!1eleventyeleven
ben_vulpes: yeah where are the bunk keys hm?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1117153 << see also ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:20:33; ascii_field: unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each
ben_vulpes: arbeit macht frei
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is volunteering for this chore ?
ben_vulpes: naw i have vino at hand and girls waiting at home
mircea_popescu: yeah, he is. he's volunteering you.
asciilifeform: l0l
ben_vulpes: the shop is empty so i'm drinking and naked
ben_vulpes: well not naked but close
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: people can be naked in the us ?
asciilifeform: why ben_vulpes is sitting in an empty shop ?
mircea_popescu: i thought you folk shower in the bag.
asciilifeform: rather than at home where there are chicks
ben_vulpes: because there are two monitors and one of the chicks isn't there yet and this wine isn't going to drink itself nor these logs read themselves
asciilifeform: 'tell mistress you're with wife, tell wife you're with mistress, go to lab, get some werk done' (tm) ?
ben_vulpes: p. much.
ben_vulpes: first the boxen, then and only then the chixxen
mircea_popescu: what do you call a wino in portland ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00025176 = 5.8408 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: a vino.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: electronics hack night has been scheduled
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes built his adapter ?
ben_vulpes: nah, i have delegated the adapter to be brought to my face
ben_vulpes: myriad hackers are salivating over rocket
ben_vulpes: rocketplane*
asciilifeform: l0l essentially a dollar-store part
asciilifeform: (were it made in the usual way)
ben_vulpes: but this comes with provenance
ben_vulpes: i trust you, they trust me
asciilifeform: incidentally i ordered a tray baked today.
ben_vulpes: no microcontrollers on the board...
asciilifeform: (more detail in coming broadcast)
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1116287 << i actually get visuals of mircea_popescu's face when i see ":D" from him nao ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 19:27:52; mircea_popescu: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/2785 << sometimes it fixes itself :D
mircea_popescu: lol.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: seems like everyone i've spoken to thinks i oughta have bought the bayonet, luger, helmet, etc.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117204 <<< but adblock is theft! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:00:54; williamdunne: >Requests that you disable adblock
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116481 << uh can i get a copy of the source and possibly some docs? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 00:01:59; Pierre_Rochard: pacioli accounting software preview: http://pacio.li/FinancialStatements/IncomeStatement/BTC/Month/Current
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sorry, do not follow
asciilifeform: at the flea market
ben_vulpes: ahaha
ben_vulpes: well what do they know
ben_vulpes: "more intertia is better!"
mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: what i wonder is whether there are any 'krauts' left there or merely their gear.
ben_vulpes: and how much of that gear is even genuinely kraut
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: docs are forthcoming, I’ve added you to the repo: https://github.com/PierreRochard/pacioli
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4xhDa )
ben_vulpes: ah jeez
ben_vulpes: what have i done
ben_vulpes: https://soundcloud.com/charlottejapp/12-house-of-bamboo
assbot: 12 House of Bamboo by charlottejapp | Free Listening on SoundCloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4xpTp )
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117289 <<< soz but i do this, get off the road, can' t expect everyone to drive 30km/ph in a 60 zone because muh bikes ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:43:28; ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us
ben_vulpes: "pick yourself a kitten and listen to a platter...that rocks!"
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyE_OiDVXCo
assbot: Der Königgrätzer Marsch - Berlin Tattoo - YouTube
cazalla: oncoming traffic lane is fine to use as an overtaking lane too, law allows for it but even without that..
ben_vulpes: no but the point is that the lane was entirely empty, so why fucking honk
ben_vulpes: just go around.
asciilifeform on narrow streets often wonders how much fuel enviro-bicyclists waste by slowing down columns of motor
cazalla: ben_vulpes, i dunno but most cyclists are passive aggressive pricks may as well join in with the honking
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: probably makes things better by reducing the "GO FAST NOW BRAKE AND WASTE ALL KE NOW HURRY UP AND ACCELERATE MYRIAD TONNES OF PLASTIC AGAIN" dynamic
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nobody actually likes hipsters.
mircea_popescu: go by atomic submarine helicopter or go home.
asciilifeform: !b 2 ✂︎
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1TWAYJX.txt )
asciilifeform: submacopter.
ben_vulpes: did you duct tape the submarine part to the heli part?
mircea_popescu: ITS ATOMIC
mircea_popescu: self-welds.
ben_vulpes: he's been derping on cpanel, i can see.
asciilifeform: bwwwwtzzz. (7Hz 'brown note' speaker on any decent atomic dirigible.)
asciilifeform: !s brown note
assbot: 2 results for 'brown note' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=brown+note
mircea_popescu: afaik brown note for us legion etrangere is "isis"
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: ever derp on "Manager"?
ben_vulpes: it's what we use at sj - can be beaten into whatever absurd demand i make of $bizpartner
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: nope, hadn’t heard of it, checking it out now
Pierre_Rochard: looks sleek
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116715 << you probably grok entirely the advantage of that "tiny little keyboard" over touchscreens ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 13:42:00; mircea_popescu: on that litthe shitty keyboard ?
mircea_popescu: sure.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116751 << asciilifeform: the lotto tixx! ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 14:12:57; mircea_popescu: because that's what #5 does, practically : it offers a model to explain and understand the otherwise insane, and otherwise never explain, luxury behaviour.
asciilifeform: #5 aka 'the gods smile'
asciilifeform: but afaik most veblenism comes from misguided attempts to sate #1-4.
ben_vulpes: can i skip the whole WolfeGoethe thread?
mircea_popescu: you prolly read it before.
ben_vulpes: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCHRQTVUoAAFnSw.png:large << heh. seems familiar, but the details are new
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1c09rtQ )
ben_vulpes: kudos a danielpbarron
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: not seeing how to customize manager, looks proprietary
ben_vulpes: oh entirely
ben_vulpes: this however is how management works
ben_vulpes: "beat that thing into submission and deliver what i've asked for"
asciilifeform: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCHRQTVUoAAFnSw.png:large << missing element 'atomic dirigible'
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4A6UO )
danielpbarron: i didn't make the thing / found on twitter
mircea_popescu: ahaha "unicorn polyamory" ?
asciilifeform: l0l what even.
mircea_popescu: gtfo, reddit. you don't get to classify the things other people do.
Pierre_Rochard: I’ll definitely be taking pointers from it, but end goal is tight integration with bitcoin wallets & APIs, and leaning on pgsql as much as possible. That’s what made greenfield a necessity
Pierre_Rochard: ^ ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: nono ofc
ben_vulpes: asking out of curiosity
Pierre_Rochard: thanks for the tip though, definitely one of the rare accounting packages I didn’t find immediately revolting
ben_vulpes: great thing about -assets is the "rewrite everything" option
danielpbarron fits in with the blue rectangle in the top right excluded from the overlapping
ben_vulpes: it's actually halfway decent
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: it's missing the dune/WoT polyamory
ben_vulpes: oh hey here's a notion
ben_vulpes: !s robert jordan
assbot: 0 results for 'robert jordan' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=robert+jordan
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: epic mega series
asciilifeform: it is also missing the reddit category
ben_vulpes: yeah where is the voluntary celibacy box?
asciilifeform: 'voluntary-compulsory', to borrow a sovietism
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i can vouch for the fact that the classification's nonsensical by the plain observation that i'm all over the fucking map.
mircea_popescu: it looks like the elephant three people found in a dark room.
ben_vulpes: it's like one of those lolarious meyers briggs thing
ben_vulpes: anyone with two neurons rubbing together can make it barf whatever rating zhe desire
asciilifeform: the elephant three people found in a dark room << except that it isn't a whole elephant, but just head, minus tusks, left by poachers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well sure.
mircea_popescu: there was no integrity promise made at any point.
mircea_popescu: ""the elephant" they found"
mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that all this "typficiation" bullshit, from the ntjx to the mti to everything else is ~strictly~ the result of lazy writing.
asciilifeform: !s borges encyclopaedia
assbot: 2 results for 'borges encyclopaedia' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=borges+encyclopaedia
ben_vulpes shutters lab
mircea_popescu: harlan e has a piece where he explains how people like hubbard were optimizing their workflow by - for instance - typing on rolls of butcher paper so as to not waste time changing sheets in typewriter
ben_vulpes: goodnight asshats
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: scrolling!
ben_vulpes: aha this one
mircea_popescu: this exact process is at work here - it becomes much easier to write the sort of pulp cultureless usians call "novels" by proceeding on one of these accounting paradigms
ben_vulpes really parts
mircea_popescu: practically speaking, commedia de larte
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all of it being merely - early manually-cranked shannonizers.
mircea_popescu: poorly-er done. meanly-er done, actually, in the classical sense of mean ("of mean extraction")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
mircea_popescu: so... it's only useful if you're making two cents a word writing "young adult fiction" or whatever other "genre" bullshit, and need shorthand to keep track of your "characters"
mircea_popescu: of course contemporary usage is unpaid shanonizers (such as, reddit users), increasing the volume and decreasing the cost of their misrepresentations of their own social interactions.
mircea_popescu: which is technically a step below on the literary scale. i await with bated breath the next step underwater.
danielpbarron: the author of sex-diagram -> https://www.franklinveaux.com/ "This is the home of Franklin Veaux, a writer, computer consultant, polyamory and BDSM activist, sex educator, and sometimes amateur photographer. Over the years, I've built a more or less inadvertent Web empire, and this is the page that brings all my various Web sites together."
assbot: Welcome to FranklinVeaux.com! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4BXsV )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some time, i've wondered about earliest surviving example of shannonizer
asciilifeform: currently i believe it to be athanasius kircher's 'arca musarithmica'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ever read the torah ?
asciilifeform: sure. nothing directly analogous in there iirc
mircea_popescu: you gotta be kidding me.
asciilifeform: http://www.digicult.it/digimag/issue-055/athanasius-kircher-arca-musarithmica-and-many-sound-devices
assbot: Athanasius Kircher. Arca Musarithmica And Many Sound Devices - Digicult | Digital Art, Design and Culture : Digicult | Digital Art, Design and Culture ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4CaMz )
mircea_popescu: "and then herpderp had perpmerp who lived to 105
mircea_popescu: and then perpmerp had foobar who lived to 103
mircea_popescu: and then..."
asciilifeform: sure, but that's a trivial example
mircea_popescu: soooo ?
asciilifeform: no mechanization, even of the 'napier's bones' variety, required.
asciilifeform: shannonizer necessarily includes some element of automation.
asciilifeform: (a schizo gibbering idiocy is not a shannonizer)
asciilifeform: any more than an expert swimmer is by implication a boat.
asciilifeform: re: this question i am interested in learning who was the first 'sailor' and what was his 'boat'.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: astrology.
asciilifeform: presently i think it to be kircher.
asciilifeform: hm now that mircea_popescu mentions astrology,
mircea_popescu: srsly alf, shanonizing is a very old usage of language.
asciilifeform: probably the mega-winner of 'earliest' is chinese i-ching.
mircea_popescu: it drove it, in paralel with expression.
asciilifeform: (earliest surviving)
mircea_popescu: language is not the result of a single force, but of two, driving it in that left-right manner of driving splits in wood.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: brb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is right about this - i invite readers to look into the basic types of aphasia
asciilifeform also brb
danielpbarron wrote a few I Ching divination pages in javascript
danielpbarron: !up bocobit
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron isn't that witchcraft ?
BingoBoingo: For shame, 768 bit RSA key from 2002 http://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xA8F0C01E3330EE4B
assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0xa8f0c01e3330ee4b " ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEQ73d )
danielpbarron: not sure what it counts as, but I'm not into that stuff anymore / burned my yarrow stalks and books on i ching and tao te ching etc
danielpbarron: and the scripts are not hosted anywhere, although copies may still exist in a backup tar somewhere
mircea_popescu: Moduli Waiting for Test: 0 / me likes
mircea_popescu: http://okcunt.com/
assbot: OkCunt – ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEQTgo )
BingoBoingo: lolmail address http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/CB903F51FBA526E9CC8227CD131377450BAA60C8C0AA0371263ECBE4AA361B5B
assbot: Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JERdf9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00024825 = 6.6531 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: poor guy
mod6: haha
BingoBoingo is braintired, handfeeding phuctor
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo srsly, script it
mircea_popescu: not something to do by hand
mircea_popescu: scripting is also not hard. curl will do post calls
BingoBoingo: It's a kind of targeted subset of keys I'm feeding and there aren't too many
mircea_popescu: aite.
danielpbarron: mod6, "The Bitcoin Foundation would like bestow our sincerest thanks and gratitude" << like to* bestow ?
mod6: ah derp
mod6: well, at least im consistant. :] looks that way in all of
mod6: 'em
mod6: anyway, thanks, i'll update on the next months address.
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> Moduli Waiting for Test: 0 / me likes << read werker.c to see how works.
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1117125 < http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-03-2015#1079265 ☝︎☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:03:49; mircea_popescu: brilliant guy, inescapably stupid. what are you gonna do ? can't empower stupid. off to the gulag with him.
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 01:48:44; Adlai: deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116847 < I have a small collection of weimar paper ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 16:21:53; ascii_field: every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies
decimation: asciilifeform: http://lambda-diode.com/opinion/ecc-memory-2 < " Nevertheless, this means that when you buy a computer, you are playing "DIMM" (and motherboard) roulette . You have something like one chance in three to ten of getting a computer that will experience memory errors at the frightening frequencies (one every few days) that I talked about but attributed to cosmic rays, and that AMD talks about in their whitepaper . "
assbot: Updates on the need to use error-correcting memory ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4SIUE )
decimation: ^good link for "why ecc" n00bs
asciilifeform: the fact that so many folks appear to get away with using non-ecc ram is proof that almost nothing that is presently done using pc, actually matters
decimation: although it seems that the cosmic rays might not be the major/primary cause of issues
asciilifeform: and/or that defects therein are successfully buried in the microshit sewers
decimation: asciilifeform: I was looking for a non-golden-toilet laptop with ecc today
decimation: doesn't exist
asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made ☟︎
asciilifeform: rather than cosmic-anything
decimation: yeah that's the old-school explanation
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decimation: supposedly back when ram cells were larger (larger targets) the ram manufacturers took care to ensure that their cases were low alpha emitters
decimation: and also sealed the silicon in a layer of protective coating
decimation: anyway, given how cheap and easy it is to use ecc ram, it does seem rather laughable that folks don't use
asciilifeform: http://www.electronics-related.com/showthread/sci.electronics.design/426906-2.php << related (2nd post from end)
assbot: sci.electronics.design | cellphone camera as radiation detector| page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zwuQp4 )
asciilifeform: re: how, famously, semiconductor folks used to buy up medieval lead roofs from cathedrals, etc. to get low-rad material ☟︎
decimation: there are some links to industry papers written mainly in the 70's-80's
asciilifeform: mention of xilinx is especially on the point because a bit-flip in fpga routing fabric is catastrophic
asciilifeform: almost without exception.
decimation: strangely no one even seems to think of this as being an issue anymore
decimation: heh yeah certainly would be
asciilifeform: it 'doesn't matter' because the 'people' sitting on the machines don't matter.
asciilifeform: you can take this to the bank.
decimation: certainly a strong argument
asciilifeform: also note that pb was forbidden
asciilifeform: (now we get tin whiskers, joy)
asciilifeform: again, because 'the result doesn't matter' is the secret thought.
asciilifeform: for machines that matter - usg jet fighters, etc. - not only pb but enviro-whiner 'atrocities' like halon are permitted.
decimation: yeah
asciilifeform: there is probably a tank of mortal baby seal tears in an f-22. etc
decimation: and 'big iron' servers have ecc, raid as standard features
asciilifeform: i consider a box without ecc and some level of redundant storage - a toy, not computer
decimation: I took a cpr class today, relatively simple AED electronics cost > $1k
asciilifeform: golden toilet.
decimation: partially for the liability, but partially also because the design is actually expected to work
asciilifeform: go price a 'medical grade' power supply. just ac-dc brick, any voltage.
decimation: heh yeah. same for anything on an aircraft
asciilifeform: it is a function of the expected net worth of the purchaser
asciilifeform: and has nothing whatsoever to do with physical internals
decimation: well, more like a function of the probability of being sued for arbitrary liability
asciilifeform: decimation: where did the 'breathalyzer' lawsuit go?
asciilifeform: magicked away.
decimation: for example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/03/14/why-you-shouldnt-sell-any-product-to-an-american-mu-2-crash-in-oklahoma/
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why you shouldn’t sell any product to an American (MU-2 crash in Oklahoma) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4V9qr )
decimation: " for example. If we take the last five minutes of flight as critical due to the proximity to the ground, the lawsuit essentially says that it is more likely that a 1 in 756,000 probability event occurred (engine shutdown during a randomly selected five-minute block of operation time) than that a pilot with virtually no turbine experience or experience with the MU-2 crashed the notoriously tricky airplane through pilot error. "
asciilifeform: re: servers: it is interesting to consider what kind of reliability mechanics would be standard (like ecc is) if microshit and unix did not exist to make a gigantic software shitter in which to hide hardware flukes
asciilifeform: 'tandem' voting circuits, etc. would probably be SOP
asciilifeform: (if -any- failure could be reliably pinned on softs)
asciilifeform: hards, rather
decimation: actually, much more sophisticated techniques exist
decimation: somehow hard drives are allowed to have their own computers, so they implement advanced ldpc codes
asciilifeform: all such techniques are fundamentally and provably variations on same theme
decimation: sure. somehow ram didn't escape the reach of the microshit von neumann machine, but hard disk did
asciilifeform: (or scams, of course. no shortage of this)
asciilifeform: hard disk is running turdware since when, '04 ?
asciilifeform: there are known bugs in hdd firmware
asciilifeform: (not even speaking of satanic influence here)
decimation: sure, but it's not directly visible, unlike cpu/ram interface
asciilifeform: quite visible when they drop out of a raid for no discernible reason
asciilifeform: and then happily pop back in
decimation: heh yeah raid controllers are their own world if crazy too
decimation: does there exist a completely open firmware for a raid controller?
asciilifeform: not afaik. ☟︎
decimation: yeah I've never hear of it either
asciilifeform: nor is any raid chipset, afaik, documented to anything like the necessary level.
asciilifeform: (go put one through disasm, if you can figure out the architecture. it's a morass of magical values being written to magical registers for magical reasons)
asciilifeform: ditto nics, gpu, etc.
asciilifeform: the whole shit soup.
asciilifeform: but i think this is, at this point, known to virtually everyone.
decimation: and also try moving the drives from one controller to another (even same make and model)
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/nyc-police.htm << mega-l0l
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q4XzFw )
decimation: they hardly look like baltimore residents
asciilifeform: new york
asciilifeform: 'solidarity'
decimation: lol
asciilifeform: speaking of 'cryptome',
asciilifeform: the whole snowden thing seems to have been quietly multiplied by 0, and nobody noticed.
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the story was suddenly uninteresting
asciilifeform: certainly uninteresting, when no new papers
decimation: the interesting point will be to see if anyone even mentions it in the presidential campaign
asciilifeform: they can mention what they want:
asciilifeform: j. carter promised to 'reveal' aliens at 'area-51' in his campaign.
asciilifeform: !s if you ask again there will be problems
assbot: 1 results for 'if you ask again there will be problems' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+ask+again+there+will+be+problems
asciilifeform: ^ the legend
BingoBoingo: If I recall Clitler in the 1990's promised to press her husband to do similar
decimation: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/baltimore-riots.html?_r=1 < more lol "Near the burned-out CVS, Robert Wilson, a college student who went to high school in Baltimore, said: “With the riots, we’re not trying to act like animals or thugs. We’re just angry at the surroundings, like this is all that is given to us, and we’re tired of this, like nobody wants to wake up and see broken-down buildings. They take away the
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1EV1EdD )
decimation: community centers, they take away our fathers, and now we have traffic lights that don’t work, we have houses that are crumbling, falling down.”"
asciilifeform: decimation: this specific idiocy was articulated as early as 1952 in ellison's 'invisible man'
decimation: "this is all that is given to us"
asciilifeform: in, iirc (school was long ago) specifically these wordfs
asciilifeform: *words
asciilifeform: to chimp (of whatever colour upholstery) his surroundings merely 'happen' to him, they are 'given', yes.
asciilifeform: or 'taken away'
decimation: and apparently any unwanted changes can easily be explained by the evil conspiracy of 'they'
asciilifeform: t. dalrymple (see logs) had many wonderful stories of his patients (he was a prison shrink for some years) who saw police, judges, etc. as malevolent martians persecuting them 'for no reason at all'
decimation: this is a common failure mode even for folks outside jail
decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure ☟︎
BingoBoingo: decimation: In East St Louis there are Stop Signs mounted to the traffic control lights
asciilifeform: decimation: paranoia is not really the magic here, in most cases - more like standard narcissism as painted by tlp
decimation: yeah, good point
decimation: BingoBoingo: is there even much traffic there?
BingoBoingo: decimation: lots
asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen ☟︎
decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the other hand, the cops are out there ☟︎
assbot: Baltimore Cop in the Hood « Isegoria ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q50xKe )
decimation: putting their lives on the line to save their city."
decimation: BingoBoingo: apparently the wise masters who run east st. louis have better things upon which to spend their tax dollars/bonds/whatever
decimation: couple $10k for a traffic light just doesn't rate
asciilifeform: 'A former Baltimore cop explains things: ... The same idiots who burned shit down Monday, they’re gonna be there today and tomorrow. The cops are always dealing with them, whether they’re burning things down or not. They’re always there.'
asciilifeform: ^ betcha many of these cops would -love- to close a perimeter around these snakepits and shoot everything that moves, for sport.
decimation: sure
asciilifeform: the folks currently preventing them from acting on this desire - are the actual rulers.
decimation: "We tell them to do the best they can, and then when an individual cop messes up, everybody blames the police. And cops feel strangely victimized by this system — they’re put in the middle and used as political tools."
asciilifeform: we will know when usg falls, when this magical barrier disappears.
decimation: asciilifeform: quite so, high level civil servants, press, etc
asciilifeform: decimation: nah. the federal gendarmerie
decimation: ^warning to people who want to enter the us police chumpatron
decimation: asciilifeform: what composes the 'federal gendarmerie'? fbi?
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decimation: heh http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/04/30/american-optimism-on-parade-at-the-fed/
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » American optimism on parade at the Fed ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q55pPk )
mircea_popescu: prolly going to be an endless parade as we enter into the last phase. buffett started it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117518 << this. people have nfi what level of radiation counts as "background". if cosmic rays were as energetic as you know, actual matter ? we'd have serious problems. and some pretty kickass satellites. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 02:58:55; asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made
mircea_popescu: cosmic ray powered space excavators and steamrollers.
mircea_popescu: decimation : all it takes is for the entire "law enforcement" thing to be broken once. its own manzikert moment.
mircea_popescu: "On the optimism bias, while I’ve known that these numbers have been consistently too optimistic, I always assumed that the senior leadership of the fed had access to the real data, and the numbers put out for the public were heavily, well, decorated."
mircea_popescu: apparently the double accounting thing is obvious by now.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117574 << shit, i've seen .jar based raid controllers. HARDWARE raid controllers. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:18:35; asciilifeform: not afaik.
mircea_popescu: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/nyc-police/pict13.jpg << wtf is this zulu bullshit ?
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1JdAJHA )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117611 << it'd help a lot if it simply abstained from getting in the way. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:40:37; decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure
mircea_popescu: that's perhaps the true subtext there. "they told me not to grab womyn butt. okay, i don't. they told me not to hunt deer off the highway. ok, i don't. they told me not to make fire indoors. alright. and i don't smoke either, and apparently coke is bad. i liked coke but whatever.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER they also promised all sorts of shit. in exchange. where is it ?"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117617 << yes. most of the us, like most of mongolia, like poor india, is specifically bad because bad climate, horrible buildings, vastly misused concrete, steel, etc. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:42:41; asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117618 << this is the africa problem. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:43:02; decimation: http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the othe
mircea_popescu: africa doesn't suck because "black people suck". africa sucks because africa is the people who were left behind.
mircea_popescu: the people left behind always suck.
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcQSLJHpwCA
assbot: Shit White Girls Say To Latinas - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1FBEGqw )
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jurov: https://twitter.com/CasaRosadaAR/status/593584932485779457 heh, they have no idea
assbot: Apparently bitcoin is disrupting our economy now (?) https://t.co/8anSj29Nre
chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame ☟︎
wyrdmantis: jurov: funny how many people don't understand what "disrupting" actually means
wyrdmantis: the KnC Nasdaq thing http://xbtprovider.com/lang_en/
assbot: XBT Provider ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1ilxi )
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wyrdmantis: more wallet inspectors http://www.wired.com/2015/04/circle-bitcoin-digital-wallet/
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1iLUp )
jurov: http://www.coindesk.com/remove-satoshi-as-founding-member-says-bitcoin-foundation-director/
assbot: Remove Satoshi as Founding Member, Says Bitcoin Foundation Director ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1jN2D )
jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first ☟︎
wyrdmantis: LOL let's talk about superman's suit color
jurov: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2015/04/30/2127543/meet-the-company-that-wants-to-put-a-bitcoin-miner-in-your-toaster/ also,look who's trying to replicate the pogoplug
assbot: Meet the company that wants to put a bitcoin miner in your toaster | FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1E1ktVI )
jurov: (i know miner and node is not the same thing but could not resist)
davout: asciilifeform: so i have finally acquired a dedicated SSD and a euro-plug adapter for the pogo, where do i start?
davout: my goal when setting up the pogo is to end up with a full walkthrough that looks roughly like this -> http://www.ikea.com/fr/fr/assembly_instructions/stuva-grundlig-corbeille-en-fil__AA-420855-2_pub.PDF
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1GLpF4j )
Pierre_Rochard: ;;later tell davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-04-2015#1116638 I’ve added you to the github repo, I’ll pull together install instructions over the weekend ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 09:25:48; davout: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard /me is pretty interested
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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mircea_popescu: !up RockHoster_
RockHoster_: any admin
RockHoster_: ??
mircea_popescu: 'sthematter ?
RockHoster_: https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Comparison_of_VPS_providers
assbot: Comparison of VPS providers - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivx8Xk )
RockHoster_: I want to discuss about this page.
mircea_popescu: ok ?
RockHoster_: Are you admin ?
williamdunne: We can be
williamdunne: Its a wiki page
RockHoster_: WHy is it removed
mircea_popescu: admin of what ? bitcoin ? the wiki you linked ? the dns system ?
RockHoster_: ??
mircea_popescu: gotta be specific.
RockHoster_: moderator of bitcoin.it
williamdunne: This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.
williamdunne: 13:56, 5 April 2015 Taras (Talk | contribs) deleted page Comparison of VPS providers (content was: "{{PfD|Nobody is willing to frequently update it. It's completely useless and misleading.}} {{outdated}} VPS price comparison. Cheapest plans are shown. Based on list of providers that accept...")
mircea_popescu: if i recall, Luke-Jr was admining that thing
RockHoster_: Is it possible to remake this page ??
williamdunne: Yes, its a wiki
williamdunne: I'll do it for you if you'd like for a price
RockHoster_: What price ?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne afaik they restricted new accounts because nobody was giving a shit and there was too much spam
williamdunne: And a monthly maintaining price ofc to keep it up to date
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I have an account already
RockHoster_: I also have a account with editing rights
williamdunne: RockHoster_: 4 BTC initial, 1 BTC per/month after that to keep it up to date
williamdunne: You can't edit it though or it would be shilling
mircea_popescu: o look at that, 50 changes this month. including tonal.
mats: i loled
williamdunne: If its worth enough for you to come here, the price should be worth it. Not surprised that it drove a fair bit of traffic
RockHoster_: Why was this deleted ?
williamdunne: Because no one was keeping it up to date
mircea_popescu: who's taras anyway
williamdunne: Apparently people like being paid for work
mircea_popescu: williamdunne the two propositions are contradictory neh ?
RockHoster_: I can keep it up to date
williamdunne: RockHoster_: You don't qualify as a neutral source
mats: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-01/gold-manipulator-busted-after-zero-hedge-report-hft-gold-spoofing
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy3Hf )
RockHoster_: I stay online for more than 8 hours daily
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah, true. Although this page is a particularly awkward one to upkeep
mircea_popescu: anyway, RockHoster_ : https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=sysop
assbot: User list - Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivy91C )
williamdunne: RockHoster_: Doesn't change your neutrality
RockHoster_: So I can't moderate page
williamdunne: No
RockHoster_: What can I do if I want to be moderator of that page ?
mircea_popescu: mats twist : he was manipulating it UP
williamdunne: RockHoster_: You can't, because you're not neutral. You need someone to do it for you
williamdunne: Not a hard concept
williamdunne: And they can't be biased towards you ofc
mircea_popescu: the weird wales has wrounght on the interwebs.
mircea_popescu: RockHoster_ were you one of the participants in the "fight to be on the top" ?
RockHoster_: Seriously I don't have 1 BTC to pay somebody
RockHoster_: to manage
williamdunne: Well then don't, I offered my personal price. Take it or leave it
williamdunne: And its 4 BTC upfront, then 1 per month after that
RockHoster_: How can I trust you ?
mircea_popescu: RockHoster_ looky here : the REASON you don't have 1 btc to throw away is that you're spedning your time trying to manipulate an obscure wiki nobody gives a shit about.
williamdunne: !gettrust williamdunne
assbot: Trust relationship from user williamdunne to user williamdunne: ∞ | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
mircea_popescu: stop wasting your time, do something useful, you'll have plenty o' money eventually.
williamdunne: RockHoster_: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/williamdunne/
assbot: williamdunne WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvyZvh )
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/e655795aa8cfab5ea7bde62c9aa0e2e9/tumblr_mhrf3nPRgN1r21xm5o1_1280.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ivz41V )
RockHoster_: What benefit will I get ??
RockHoster_: I shhould say
RockHoster_: special benefit
RockHoster_: If I pay you 1 BTC ??
williamdunne: RockHoster_: You'll be on the list, you get no "special" benefit. I can't be biased towards you I will be neutral
mircea_popescu: sigh
mircea_popescu: !down RockHoster_
davout: mircea_popescu: ty
mircea_popescu: this world an' teh people in it...
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mircea_popescu: williamdunne how the fuck are you going to make a neutral list of "vps hosters" anyway.
mircea_popescu: might as well sort seashells by size.
williamdunne: Google a bunch of them, put their location and offerings on the list
mircea_popescu: a) they're all the same size and b) every tide washes more in.
mircea_popescu: i was under the impression "vps hosting" is the new "unlimited shared hosting" thing of the 2000s.
williamdunne: Before I think it was data allowance, price, location and if they allow tor or not
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 354509 | Current Difficulty: 4.761056451347126E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 354815 | Next Difficulty In: 306 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 4 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: dat none...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117664 << i'd love nothing more than to disrupt their economy to the point they're left begging on street corners. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 09:35:48; chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame
mircea_popescu: it's slow going.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117673 << it's funny tho, all the fraudulent pretense. "oh, a guy we never met is a founding director, because we wish to have the implication of legitimacy that would offer. next we make george washington founding director, and edit his wikipedia to say he founded the us and our turd" ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 10:10:47; jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first
mircea_popescu: davout Pierre_Rochard iirc danielpbarron has a write-up somewhere.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117344 << always has been, always will be. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:53:04; mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ?
pete_dushenski: despite the practical limitations, it's still cool to be ginormous.
pete_dushenski: sorta like that louis ck bit about young black comics just being way, way fucking cooler than he could ever be
mats: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-24/why-nav-sarao-had-be-destroyed-he-found-way-beat-hfts-their-own-game also good zh
assbot: Why Nav Sarao Had To Be Destroyed: He Found A Way To Beat The HFTs At Their Own Game | Zero Hedge ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvCSAi )
pete_dushenski: !s edgerouter
assbot: 19 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter
pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/ ☟︎
assbot: FreeBSD 10.x on Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite ... ( http://bit.ly/1IvDDt4 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80450 @ 0.00026836 = 21.5896 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ?? ☟︎
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: install instructions relating to my accounting software, not pogo/bitcoin
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell decimation did you set up your edgerouter in osx ? if so, did you also have issues with minicom ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski will be using ubuntu in next edgerouter set-up attempt.
pete_dushenski: goddam you osx !
mats: why ubuntu?
pete_dushenski: why not ?
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danielpbarron: !s nigbuntu
assbot: 12 results for 'nigbuntu' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=nigbuntu
mats: i've rarely had a good experience with ubuntu
pete_dushenski: mats: but not never !
mats: basically, at work my team has a "you break it, we fix it" policy
pete_dushenski: i'm just trying to set up this edgerouter with freebsd. nothing else.
mats: i spend a non trivial amount of time debugging ubuntu desktops whenever people break it
mats: its hellish, man
mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers ☟︎
pete_dushenski: serves him right ?
pete_dushenski: wtf does anyone seriously need bluetooth for, talking while driving ?
pete_dushenski: 'wireless' speakers
mats: i never figured out why, but the kernel seemed convinced there was a hardware switch thrown someplace
mats needs to read the linux kernel
danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, oh you mean use ubuntu on the machine from which you are connecting to the edgerouter/
mats: he had wireless headphones he wanted to use at his desk
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: that, yes.
pete_dushenski: mats: i don't see the appeal of wireless headphones, mostly because they're another thing to charge with another cable
danielpbarron: not so bad; i used ubuntu to do that with pogo for my first attempted after soldering the serial thing onto it
pete_dushenski: more battery management, which is what 'modern lyf' seems to reduce to.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i figure it's worth a shot seeing as how i'm at a bit of a dead end with osx
danielpbarron: you should better learn gentoo or something though
danielpbarron: it's just a matter of opening a serial console or whatever?
ben_vulpes: gentoo quest!
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: gentoo quest
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: that's where i'm at, yes. serial comm software 'minicom' doesn't want to work.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: this *will* happen.
danielpbarron: can you try to use screen instead?
danielpbarron: idk if screen has a port for os x
mats: i like the idea of wireless headphones but the bluetooth stack is horribly damaged
danielpbarron: i'm reading the thing you pasted, and the instructions are very similar to adulterating a pogo
pete_dushenski: http://screen-osx.sourceforge.net/ ??
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mats: Fun fact: the BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) spec provides three key exchange mechanisms, two of the three which do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection
mats: so... given that the out of band key exchange is the most difficult to implement, that's effectively a selective backdoor.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: forgive my late arrival to the thread, but why are we talking about screen on os x?
pete_dushenski: as an alternative to minicom for serial communication between desktop and edgerouter
ben_vulpes: aha
mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping. ☟︎
ben_vulpes: sounds annoying and complicated
pete_dushenski: setting up the edgerouter with freebsd is proving to be exactly that!
pete_dushenski: but i shan't give in just yet.
danielpbarron: does your serial adapter show up in /dev/ ?
danielpbarron: because that's the most annoying part really
ben_vulpes: ah yeah, but that's annoying and complicated with a future, unlike your current "dead end"
ben_vulpes: anyways don't let me distract you :P
pete_dushenski: heh
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: good question...
danielpbarron: "A collection of scripts that work together to manage multiple invocations of GNU Screen to overcome some of its limitations on Mac OS X."
danielpbarron: for me, serial adapter is only accessible as root, although i think i read somewhere there are things you can do to make it work for other users
danielpbarron: and that thing i just quoted makes it sound like screen is already on OS X; try typing screen --version in your terminal
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: just checked. /dev/cu.usbserial shows up.
pete_dushenski: 'Screen version 4.00.03 (FAU) 23-Oct-06'
danielpbarron: once you have screen, it's as easy as typing screen /dev/cu.usbserial 115200
danielpbarron: 115200 is the baud rate
pete_dushenski: tried. 'no such file or directory'
danielpbarron: for me, the serial adapter is numbered
danielpbarron: like /dev/ttyUSB0
danielpbarron: i'm surprised it says the file doesn't exist when you say you saw it in /dev/
pete_dushenski: i'm as confused as anyone !
danielpbarron: if you do wind up using ubuntu, the live cd is suitable ; you can even "install" screen to the temporary system without actually writing to your hard drive
pete_dushenski: okie dokie, pete the n00b might've just isolated the issue...
pete_dushenski: instead of establishing a serial connection with 'edgeos' first, i installed freebsd on the usb drive first
pete_dushenski: so unconfigured freebsd has no way of talking to minicom or anything else. it's just a file on a drive.
pete_dushenski: a fucktard is me.
pete_dushenski: now to see if i can re-install edgeos and start over :)
davout: danielpbarron: so, do you have instructions on how to set up the pogo? does it necessarily imply soldering wizardry?
ben_vulpes: davout: danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt
davout: ben_vulpes: ty
davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything ☟︎
davout: maybe i misunderstood something
danielpbarron: no soldering necessary
davout: haha, ok nice, guess i'm going to put the pogo back together then :-)
danielpbarron: as long as you don't botch the re-flash, it should be possible to do everything over ethernet
davout: ok, sounds much better wrt industrializing their setup
davout: so the first thing i should do is try to access it through SSH, and work from there, right?
danielpbarron: yes
danielpbarron: the thing has a built in method for turning on ssh without any extreme modifications, and from there you can do all else
davout: yeah, the curl bit if i understand correctly
pete_dushenski: lulz. $lnkd -25% on the week. go social media go !
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/05/bitgo-files-multisig-patent-application-joining-other-bitcoin-patent-parasites/
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ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117786 << i did ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:21:39; pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ? http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117789 << again, did ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:22:10; pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ??
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117867 << not only this, but can reflash without any physical parts at all, from stock os ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 16:14:34; davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything
ascii_field: or even enable tftp and use experimental os (e.g., mine) without reflashing at all
ascii_field: and without swapping physical sticks
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: what serial comm software did you use ?
davout: ascii_field: so what's the simplest way of doing it?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: 'screen'
ascii_field: https://www.gnu.org/software/screen
assbot: GNU Screen - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1EISsXN )
ascii_field: davout: doing what ?
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: aha. cheers.
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davout: ascii_field: i have the physical pogos you gave me, an ethernet cable, a power adapter, an internet connection, a few usb sticks, a working debian, and a 120gb sata disk that fits in the pogo. what's the easiest way to set it up as a bitcoin node
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117806 << sounds EXACTLY like windowsuntu. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:34:28; mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers
ascii_field: davout: folow danielpbarron's instructions
ascii_field: davout: be aware that we don't have a battlefield-ready 0.5.3.x as of yet.
danielpbarron: i'm rewriting some stuff now, adding to wiki
danielpbarron: on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117836 << coincidentally, the coincidental coincidences coincide. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:44:09; mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: did the ssd make it ?
danielpbarron: at least, not running on ArchLinux; perhaps with optimizations it could catch up
ascii_field: <danielpbarron> on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync << i spoke of this briefly at c3. the almost deadly-certain explanation is that there is no ram to spare for the customary disk cache
ascii_field: so pogo node lives or dies by the actual speed of the drive.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field actually... a disk cache wouldn't need to be much larger than what, 1mb ?
danielpbarron: comes as no surprise to me; that's exactly the bottle neck i ran into when first getting into running a node
mircea_popescu: maybe reiserfs would fix it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is normally a readahead cache
ascii_field: so needs to be 16-64MB at min.
danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, my SSD one is still going and I have no reason to suspect it won't eventually sync
danielpbarron: currently at height=339674
mircea_popescu: almost there danielpbarron
pete_dushenski: excellent.
danielpbarron: the 5400 rpm one with an up-to-date data dir copied in goes just fast enough to stay about 200 blocks behind the rest of the network at all times; perhaps slowly losing ground
ascii_field: http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html << see also.
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nuts.
ascii_field: ^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all.
mircea_popescu: so basically... current blocks are just big enough to interdict 5400 rpm
davout: danielpbarron: in your docs, 2.2.2 refer to building a kernel for the workstation talking to the pogo, not building a kernel for the pogo itself, or am i heavily confused?
davout: (referring to http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt)
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mats: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/01/us-goldman-sachs-aleynikov-verdict-idUSKBN0NM43V20150501
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danielpbarron: davout, yeah that's why i'm rewriting; it's about the workstation connecting to pogo
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: with leaky 0.5.3, and on box with 128m, yes
danielpbarron: davout, only necessary if your doing the serial connection soldering thing
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no, "5400 rpm, no caching"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: aha
danielpbarron: all you need is to install some sort of TFTP server on your workstation, and use the built in flashing tools of pogo to set some parameters to connect to your workstation when it boots
mircea_popescu: so basically, "5400 rpm"
ascii_field: 'A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich.'
mircea_popescu: "The conviction came two days after the judge overseeing the case removed two jurors after a conflict between the two marred deliberations.
davout: danielpbarron: which i'm not (doing the serial thing), so it's not very clear to me how to build the kernel and software that'll actually run on the pogo once it's ready
mircea_popescu: The judge said on Wednesday that letting 10 jurors proceed, not 12, amounted to "uncharted territory," but Marino said that his client agreed to the smaller jury."
mircea_popescu: herp.
danielpbarron: davout, i'm not aware of how to do that; i've only ever used ascii's pre-built kernels i think
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "jury of your peers" in the us = "the mentally ill"
ascii_field has seen it alive
ascii_field: davout, danielpbarron: to build kernel, see my instructions on the listserv
Adlai: "A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich."
danielpbarron: my documentation needs massive overhaul lol
ascii_field: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1EIUoiS )
Adlai: oh ascii_field just pasted this. nvm
davout: danielpbarron ascii_field ah i see, i wasn't aware that alf had a pre-built kernel that's to be used, i'll work from there, also i'll document everything I do, so maybe you won't need to spend time updating your docs
ascii_field: davout: it isn't meant to be fired in anger
ascii_field: please build own kernel
mats: https://www.udacity.com/course/advanced-operating-systems--ud189 this is pretty good
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ascii_field: i certainly have no intention of distributing bins every time we path
ascii_field: *patch
davout: ascii_field: my mission is to idiot-proof the process :D
davout: but i guess it can also be fun to do the whole thing, maybe i'll end-up with two sets of docs the "advanced" version and the "i just want this goddamn thing running" version
mircea_popescu: davout good idea.
davout: i think both are required, one for the folks who want to inspect, audit or otherwise fuck with the device, and one to turn a crate of stock pogos into node as fast as possible
mircea_popescu: especially the "document everything i do" part.
mircea_popescu: the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and an actual software environment is exactly that : a. people doing jobs 100% and b) documenting this process 100%.
ascii_field: world's best smith cannot mold bullet from shit.
Adlai: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: no matter how documented.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree.
mircea_popescu: with a dull spork.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the only shit here is in the heads of, again, every white us male with a college degree.
mircea_popescu: from paul graham to the rackhoster derp above.
pete_dushenski: i'll definitely be documenting my edgerouter rampage.
mircea_popescu: even basic would work, if not for them.
mircea_popescu: (which is what ada is, after all)
ascii_field: the tech stack is rotten all the way down.
mircea_popescu: yes. from the fontanelle to the spine.
ascii_field: (don't take my word for it, it is quite apparent)
ascii_field: but mircea_popescu has a point, in that it is necessary to kill the mice before cleaning up their shit - otherwise it is a waste of time, there will be infinite shit
trinque: mircea_popescu | and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. << heh, my balls are safe then
mircea_popescu: moreover, once the mice are killed, the shit self-cleans.
ascii_field: self-cleans ?
ascii_field: how ?!
mircea_popescu: well, turns into earth.
mircea_popescu: you consider a meadow "clean" or "dirty" ?
ascii_field: poor analogy. usians still can't rid themselves of 120v
mircea_popescu: yes. but the world IS.
Adlai: somehow the streets of tel aviv are still paved with cement, beneath the dog shit
mircea_popescu: because by now what the usians do is slightly more relevant than what the mongols do.
mircea_popescu: a slightly greater, slightly more relatively advanced empire, slightly longer ago.
ascii_field: http://www.np.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/2t4557/paypals_investigation_of_laptop_purchased_on_ebay << schizo gold
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field more on point : consider how much of the windows turdball self-cleanned by simply making gpg required for voice here.
mircea_popescu: "oh, can't get in". "well... so from the other perspective... you no longer exist ?"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this cleaned people, not tech
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: people and their productions.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Earlier this year Chin-hao Hu and Pai-tsung Hsu over the process of generating a Bitcoin transaction offline for which they would assign "Intellectual Property" rights to themselves." << missing verb ?
BingoBoingo: fxd
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/04/tsinghua-university-creates-a-digital-assets-research-initiative/#comment-20712 << who's this guy anyway
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field is he the ninjashoo /
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'sapien' ?
mircea_popescu: yeh
ascii_field: it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires ☟︎
ascii_field: how can i know, is it one tree, six, or forty-six
mircea_popescu: this particular detachment between words and things...
mircea_popescu: i guess you're right
ascii_field: appealing in trees. in people - not so much
mircea_popescu: by the way, am i the only foreigner that thinks southern dialects a lot more expressive, interesting and developed than yankee english ?
ascii_field hasn't enough exposure to the former, to say
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUFL2GT1-2g
assbot: Sh%t Southern Women Say, Episode 1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AqmRov )
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: you are not
mircea_popescu: good primer
Adlai: the south considered themselves closer to the commonwealth than to the yanks
trinque: 2:36 what's uuuup
ascii_field: see also 'the mind of the south' (w. j. cash) - mega-recommended
ascii_field: (engl.)
Adlai: and/or "The Killer Angels"
ascii_field: had interesting thesis - that cotton only worked on small fraction of land available, and the rest was left mostly alone to the non-slaveholding inhabitants, with minimal statal footprint
trinque: southerners like their govts dysfunctional at best
trinque: tx legislature meets every two years, mostly to talk about doing nothing
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in any case the wisdom was to keep the taxes low and the government minimal, because large plantation owners know best what to do with resources.
mircea_popescu: in a sense it was the HRE of the american continent.
trinque: in previous conversations about the need for privilege it has occurred to me that tx seems to have this
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: according to cash, it was rather because southern states ran extraction economy of soil and slave, but did not need the non-planter whites for anything - so left alone (as 'fremen', in 'dune')
trinque: there are parts of cities you can't possibly live in without wealth
trinque: with proper walls around them
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
mircea_popescu: bad move, too. idleness is the mother of devilness or how's that called.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they did not even need to exterminate them to vacate space, because most of the soil was not cotton-grade.
ascii_field: arbeit macht frei (tm)
mircea_popescu: there's some contemporary records of "trying to get a cotton farm going", by people without the resoruces and without the intelligence to understand resources at all.
mircea_popescu: reads a lot like the stories of the "web start-up culture"
mats: its amusing there's an actual /r/badBIOS subreddit
mircea_popescu: same "they're moving up and down on a patch of land ; we're moving up and down on a patch of land. what the hell's the difference!"
ascii_field: mats: and it is all full of one particular species, yes
trinque: I consider TX a highly redeemable part of the US
mircea_popescu: trinque san antonio was easily my favourite us town
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
trinque: great place
trinque: Austin, mine
ascii_field: mats: the kind of schizo that seems to live and breathe solely to discredit actual investigation into usg shenanigans
ascii_field: i do not know if they grow naturally or have to be cultivated - but they serve this purpose.
mats: readers of the log: badBIOS is a hoax, although the principle of the thing is entirely achievable
mircea_popescu: ascii_field do you think 50 shades of gray exists to discredit actual bdsm / harry potter exists to discredit actual fiction ?
ascii_field: mats: see also 'piltdown man'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nah those are more like 'kraft food' vs actual food
ascii_field: buffetized extruded product.
mircea_popescu: same thing here.
mircea_popescu: in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps. ☟︎
ascii_field: let's peek back a few decades to the folks who were listening to cia broadcasts with their tooth amalgams
trinque: somebody in the south needs to start screaming about anti-communism and they'd get far.
ascii_field: the physical principle - is sound, demonstrated.
trinque: average texans are not at all afraid of the idea of secession
trinque: common conversation topic
mircea_popescu: ascii_field let's go over this soundness.
trinque: and I don't mean this play-ball tea party thing
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: rectifier
mircea_popescu: so it is in principle possible to transform energy from state to state.
mircea_popescu: now, seeing how vibration in the audible frequency for teeth has a calculable minimum,
mircea_popescu: we can in fact calculate the power of the cia antenna required. correct ?
ascii_field: postulate a distance
mircea_popescu: right, for a postulated distance.
mircea_popescu: "Ebay did grant my item not as described case. However, Ebay didn't acknowledge that an interdicted, tampered, infected and implanted device is an item not described.
mircea_popescu: this is strictly correct. an item tampered with by the government is not, legally, an item distinct from an item not tampered with by the government.
ascii_field: as a very small boy, i listened to a 'radio' consisted of a handset speaker from a busted telephone (circa 1940s?) and a diode (pulled out of ancient bobbin deck, also thrown out window by someone)
mircea_popescu: this is exactly why government may not continue to exist.
ascii_field: this was possible because su loved am radio
mircea_popescu: but the diode was not made out of your dead dog.
ascii_field: nope
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "listening to cia" people do not plug speakers into their teeth.
ascii_field: germanium diode
ascii_field: people do not plug speakers into their teeth << bone conduction
mircea_popescu: so... you know. yes "it's possible". however, doing it on dentine and lead... tough job.
mircea_popescu: yes yes. just pointing out to you that while it is theoretically possible, it is improbable it ever was practically achieved either by accident or by hobbists.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, cold fusion is just as theoretically possible.
ascii_field: !s palladium deuteride
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mircea_popescu: so listen alf, i had an exceptional plate of deviled eggs last night... ate 18^H^H 19^H^H 27 of the suckers
mircea_popescu: but you know... it kinda didn't sit well... so i let out this huge burp... and i think it all went into my cavity or something
mircea_popescu: because i got cold fusion going!
ascii_field: this is how 'fuck you i'm a dragon' probably began.
ascii_field: l0l
mircea_popescu: myeah lol
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBnaw1-1fTg >> actually prolly better example.
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mircea_popescu: "he's so dumb, he could throw himself on the ground and miss"
mircea_popescu: "when she hauls ass, she gotta make two trips"
mircea_popescu: !up Asenath
mircea_popescu: heh.
trinque: mircea_popescu: my biz partner's dad has all kinds of them
trinque: "does the pope shit in his hat?"
mircea_popescu: lol
trinque: "busier than a cat with two asses" << loads of variations on that one
mircea_popescu: see, but that's the sort of person that's worth getting drunk
mircea_popescu: "more worried than a cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs"
trinque: ah shit his whole family's a hoot drunk
mircea_popescu: and what else is life all about i ask ye!
trinque: not a damn thing
mircea_popescu: btw, you know how the pope hat thing came about ?
ascii_field: https://www.reddit.com/r/badBIOS/comments/2y8ufv/badbios_other_sources_emit_transcranial << typical
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trinque: mircea_popescu: hows that
mircea_popescu: ascii_field people are on reddit so as to be with other like minded people. it is a social function. what words they say... "world's best dad!"
mircea_popescu: trinque see, if you've ever seen if (1=1) in code you comprehend this literary device. "have you ever whipped a woman ?" "does the bear shit in the woods ?"
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ stock 1=1 answer being, "does the pope wear a funny hat"
mircea_popescu: as time went by, the two were merged into one, and so...
ascii_field: 'does the pope shit in the woods'
ascii_field: (tm)
mircea_popescu: lol
trinque: oh yeah, of course
ascii_field: (most common variant where i live)
mircea_popescu: yes, and napoleon has an infinite number of arms.
mircea_popescu: know that one ?
ascii_field: aha
mircea_popescu: "she's so skinny she's gonna fall through her butt and hang herself"
trinque: LOL
mircea_popescu: "she could hoola hoop in a cheerio"
trinque: can't even make fun of people in portland; how's anyone supposed to tell a joke
mircea_popescu: !up Luke-Jr
Luke-Jr: I just wanted to LOL at the convo with RockHoster earlier. I was going to say "the maintainer doesn't *need* to be unbiased", but then I saw https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/User_talk:RockHoster
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mircea_popescu: guy's got a boner for that page.
Luke-Jr: yeah, I'm kinda surprised he didn't take williamdunne's offer
mircea_popescu: 5 btc ? sure, he could amortize $1000 in advertising expenses just as soon as the wiki gets twelve trillion pageviews or something.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 888 @ 0.00151173 = 1.3424 BTC [-]
davout: "So... You changed the name of your service so you could be on top of an obscure list? Taras (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)" <<< that's pretty SOP with locksmiths in the yellow pages
trinque: AAA
trinque: ABC
mircea_popescu: eh it was also standard with whores at some point
mircea_popescu: fuckin gridiculous everyone was amber angel and whatever
ben_vulpes: gringodiculous
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron hey, ask fowler (https://twitter.com/WomenSouthern) if she wants to do a "shit southern women say about bitcoin" sponsored thing ?
davout: here, everyone is "ABC Express Locksmith"
mircea_popescu: Aardwark Locksmiths & Irony ?
davout: :D
davout: sounds like a cool job, get calls at night about lost keys, show up with a drill and a spare, bill $maxint
mircea_popescu: maxint my foot. it's like $100 or so.
mircea_popescu: back when people could actually wake me up it was a lot more than that.
davout: heh, guess you're right, happened to me back in the day, guess my brain at the time recorded 80€ as 'holy shit, lots of money'
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field pictures a sciencefiction story, set in the world of 'shall be delivered', about a fella who forgot a key and goes to a specialist who 'helps remember'
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2015#1078941 << how to initially get fw_printenv to tell pogo to boot kernel over TFTP in the future? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 18:21:35; asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included.
danielpbarron: stock pogo does not come with this tool, but it does come with nandwrite, flash_erase, and flash_eraseall
trinque: danielpbarron: one of the vars in there sets the boot order
trinque: there was some command to dump out all vars
trinque: should be able to spot it; the value of it names other vars iirc comma separated
danielpbarron: those commands are available from within uBoot
trinque: yeah
danielpbarron: and can also be used from the OS, but they don't come standard with an unmodified pogo
ascii_field: danielpbarron: on stock pogo you need fw_printenv (or serial cable) to get into uboot console
ascii_field: simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use.
danielpbarron: yes, so what is the easiest way to get fw_printenv on a new unit ? just copy it over from workstation ? or is it easier to reflash with your own kernel using the stock nandwrite tool
danielpbarron: ah
trinque: I stuck a debian install on one of the attached drives as a workspace
trinque: works pretty well
danielpbarron: yeah that's what i'm ircing from
danielpbarron: what is the easiest way to make your own fw_printenv ? is this something that come out of the same process that makes the kernel ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27400 @ 0.00025601 = 7.0147 BTC [+]
ascii_field: danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0
ascii_field: which contains config vars for uboot
ascii_field: this in turn used kernel's nand driv.
ascii_field: nothing high-tech
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35964 @ 0.00026942 = 9.6894 BTC [+]
davout: so i'm currently connected to the Pogo through SSH, pretty easy so far
davout: not sure how one compiles U-Boot though
davout: danielpbarron: ^
ascii_field: davout: 'buildroot' also builds uboot
davout: ascii_field: ok, i should be able to get it from your binaries amirite
davout: (starting with the 'simple' version of my guide)
davout: meh, nvm, i'll do the full version first, and dumb it down afterwards
davout: ascii_field: should i start straight with your v2 patches ?
ascii_field: davout: they apply on top of v1
davout: aok, ty, sorry for my noobish questions!
danielpbarron: seems as though the stock pogo is configured to look for a TFTP server without any modification -> bootcmd=bootp; setenv bootargs root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:${rootpath} ip=${ipaddr}:${serverip}:${gatewayip}:${netmask}:${hostname}::off; bootm
ascii_field: danielpbarron: bootp ?
ascii_field has no idea how to set up bootp, did not try this
danielpbarron: boot image via network using BOOTP/TFTP protocol
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021367 B (Total: 467.26 B). Delta: -0.18 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000206 BTC [-]
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.000206 / 0.00020605 / 0.000207 (10600 shares, 2.18 BTC)
mats: market doesn't look impressed by TSLA's "Powerwall"
jurov: it was already expected for some time, no?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00025601 = 3.7121 BTC [-]
mats: yeah
jurov: price seems fair, i'd like to see how quickly will they able to produce
mats: i'm still strapped in, gonna reevaluate my position when they finally produce an electric utility truck
jurov: and when will they come to europe
mircea_popescu: why not a power plant.
jurov: powerplant is extra
mircea_popescu: i don't think they stand a chance in europe, for teh record.
mircea_popescu: for onbe thing, european cars don't suck.
mircea_popescu: the us market was so bad even toyota could sell there. it hasn't improved since the 70s.
mats: i can already imagine the advertisements --
mats: tesla truck and f-250 at the starting line on a track, both tethered to a stack of shipping containers
mats: after the tesla driver wins, he plugs it in and fills the bed with pumps, chemicals, water... and heads off to a client's home for a carpet cleaning gig
jurov: in the eu, would be fun to see people trying to use it with 2500w hair dryers and vacuum machines(especially these tend to make nasty power spikes)
ascii_field notices gigantic gap in log
mod6: the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32950 @ 0.00025531 = 8.4125 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
davout: danielpbarron: does that mean there could be a way to auto-setup pogos by plugging them to an ethernet cable and turning them on ?
ascii_field: davout: yes, and i proposed this
jurov: ascii_field: i was here, really nothing happened
ascii_field: they oughta plug into one another, for 'breath of life'
ascii_field: jurov: looking for mar. 27
ascii_field: might just be broken search
davout: interdasting
ascii_field: ok, log is intact
ascii_field: search - does not work worth a damn. ☟︎
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-03-2015#1075949 << application for that 'tesla' battery. ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> 'does the pope shit in the woods' << Does the bear shit in the pope?
ascii_field: ;;seen Chillum
gribble: Chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Chillum> I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing
kakobrekla: ascii_field i guess the search is out of sync
kakobrekla: what happened to chillum?
ascii_field: damned if i know
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mthreat might want to resync the search?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: chillum 'was a chemist, but now he is no more; for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4.' or the like.
ascii_field: who knows.
Adlai: didn't that happen to the chemist's son?
ascii_field: traditional rhyme
danielpbarron: mod6> the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right? << http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006I5MKZY/
assbot: Amazon.com : Pogoplug Series 4 Backup Device : Networked Attached Storage : Camera & Photo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GMyUB9 )
mod6: Thank you
ascii_field: ^ the very same
ascii_field: that was handed out at c3
mod6: ok awesome, got one in my cart.
mod6: alrighty, ordered. thanks again.
mats: mike_c: some unexpected behavior with your web wot thing: when searching with the input 'Chillum', a corresponding drop-down option appears, and when i click 'View User', it directs me to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/', a 404. when I click the option in the drop-down combo box, I'm directed to 'http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum', also a 404
mike_c: well that's odd.
mike_c: oh ffs
mike_c: is this shit case sensitive or not?
mike_c: kakobrekla: are the usernames case sensitive? could there be a KAKObrekla and a kakobrekla?
mike_c: !register mike_c
assbot: Nick mike_c is already taken.
mike_c: !register MIKE_c
assbot: Nick mike_c is already taken.
mike_c: nvmnd
kakobrekla: !registers second parameter is keyid
kakobrekla: but anyway, no.
kakobrekla: second, and only parameter.
kakobrekla: eh
kakobrekla: first actually
kakobrekla: cant be second and only
kakobrekla: does not compute
MIKE_c: !register flub
assbot: Nick MIKE_c is already taken.
mike_c: grazie
mike_c: mats: thanks for the bug report. will be fixed soon.
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> cant be second and only << win.
BingoBoingo: https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2015/04/racism.png&w=1484
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2LcRC )
BingoBoingo: The northeast, most racist part of 'Murica
BingoBoingo: Damn Yankees
mircea_popescu: i thought it was going to be trilema
mircea_popescu: for the record, saying nigger and racism are about as related as saying synergy and making a profit.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but tis te Washington Post, what can you truly expect
mircea_popescu: ie, only the derpington post thinks so.
mircea_popescu: right
mircea_popescu: nude exercise of power, obviously. if fuctard gets you to not say a word, the reason doesn't matter. what matters is the fact that you're now doing what he's tellin' you to.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the fetlife derps got all twisted about "rape". omagawd our consent was violated by other people using words without asking for permission!!1
BingoBoingo: Right
mircea_popescu: so how about the washington post is no longer allowed to say the r word.
mircea_popescu: or the d word, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: also the e word. are there more vulgar obscenities the libertards use ?
mircea_popescu: r*cism, d*mocratic, eq*ality and i guess r*ights. shit there's two r words.
trinque: "progress"
mircea_popescu: they don't really say that anymore. even "progressive"'s gone down the drain
mircea_popescu: must suck to be one of those people, always stuck with a new word nest like a god damned cuckoo
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the bald eagle is an anachronism the cuckoo is the us symbol. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/Reed_warbler_cuckoo.jpg
assbot: ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2NjVz )
cazalla: enough time has passed that you could show today's kids "tokyo breakfast" for the lulz
cazalla: muh cultural adoption, muh racism
BingoBoingo: Cuckoo seems apt nao
trinque: cazalla: hadn't seen this, goddamn hilarious
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgjwjaBJ5Do
assbot: Tokyo Breakfast - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJzno9 )
cazalla: yeah, it's fkn old now but ripe for passing off as new to the young ones
jurov: https://mobile.twitter.com/kellyoxford/status/481497873461161987 hanbot, you're married then?
assbot: Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1E2QnB9 )
mike_c: mats: http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Chillum/
assbot: Chillum WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXJPbJ )
mike_c: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: here's my problem. Sending my loyal customers to this page is a bad user experience. http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgfp/8680FD3C9D20B92FBEF3D058FD5A63B9EAC2A55E
assbot: Submit a GPG Public Key | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1JXK6eE )
mike_c: maybe a very simple "not found" page?