williamdunne: >Displays adverts that play noise in the background.. on a video sit
ben_vulpes: For example, there was a famous hack that provided a means of (1) removing a cons cell from a freelist, (2) updating the freelist, and (3) branching if the freelist was exhausted to the GC... in *one instruction*. << that *is* cool
ben_vulpes: "the difference between theory and practice is, uh, larger in practice than in theory" << paul graham! whatta dood
ben_vulpes: "It was solid enough to be a serious system that had real clients who depended on it." << oh for those days, and those clients
BingoBoingo: Oh, look at this OpenSSH change: "sshd(8): UseDNS now defaults to 'no'. Configurations that match against the client host name (via sshd_config(5) or authorized_keys) may need to re-enable it or convert to matching against addresses."
http://www.openbsd.org/57.html mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : at battle of manzikert, spy to ars aslan : "my sultan, the enemy army is approaching us". ars aslan : "then we are approaching them as well"
trinque: damn, that's a good quote.
mircea_popescu: guy's name is actually alp arslan, upon research. i misremembered.
ben_vulpes:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-04-2015#1115893 << "so, how's his english?" "pretty good, there's just this thing that happens where he occasionally says something that sounds entirely wrong and then the conversation moves on, and five minutes later I ask about it and turns out to be some throwaway joke in romanian or french or latin."
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:02:01; mircea_popescu: except my usage is np
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:11:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu forgot e) sane person adds kludge to enable some semblance of civilization to function, creating schizoid split and opening would that bleeds complexity
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 15:32:11; mircea_popescu: at any rate, THIS is why i ask people "well, can you do it on a cpanel box" well before.
mike_c: he'll design your circuits for you! for $5!
ben_vulpes: i could have tacos delivered for like 4 months with that
ben_vulpes: perhaps when you come visit, bring it for an extended loan if you're done
ben_vulpes: all i am actually good for is software archaeology after all
ben_vulpes considers the eerie parallel with his mothers work
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "cultural anthropology"
ben_vulpes: as far as i can figure, guesses (liberally sprinked with CYA) about what people did, extrapolated from their middens
cazalla: i wonder how much tablet traffic is demmed mobile
ben_vulpes goes for another, smaller glass of chablis
assbot: Logged on 29-04-2015 16:08:37; mats: special appearance by brendafdez
trinque: asciilifeform: ones that have already been phuctored or only new ones?
trinque: I recall chatter about whether the db was getting imported
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes meanwhile i figured it out. you were quoting teh fox missus
mircea_popescu: mike_c this, imo, sums up the general utility of "revolutionary websites". people don't want accounts on them even if given away with 200 dollars worth of credit attached.
mircea_popescu: because they actually are a much larger damage than that. sort-of like insanity.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or mike_c or anyone sane in the fucking head. or over the age of 30.
ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us
☟︎ trinque: ben_vulpes: was probably me, sorry!
ben_vulpes: when i caught up to him at the stop light at the top of the hill, he had his phone out and was recording my endless tirade of abuse
ben_vulpes: naw ive seen your car it pollutes less and you're not nearly as fat as this old sack of shit
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> achtung, panzers: << dawg i thought you were going to PUT THE ARCHIVE THROUGH IT ALREADY!!!1eleventyeleven
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:20:33; ascii_field: unrelated: that sks key mega-dump is in a ludicrous format - .gpg binary turds with 10,000s of pubkeys in each
ben_vulpes: naw i have vino at hand and girls waiting at home
ben_vulpes: the shop is empty so i'm drinking and naked
ben_vulpes: because there are two monitors and one of the chicks isn't there yet and this wine isn't going to drink itself nor these logs read themselves
ben_vulpes: first the boxen, then and only then the chixxen
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: electronics hack night has been scheduled
ben_vulpes: nah, i have delegated the adapter to be brought to my face
ben_vulpes: myriad hackers are salivating over rocket
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:00:54; williamdunne: >Requests that you disable adblock
ben_vulpes: and how much of that gear is even genuinely kraut
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:43:28; ben_vulpes: this asshat on the road today rolled up behind myself and some staff on bikes, HONKED LOUDLY, and then moved into the (empty) oncoming traffic lane to pass us
ben_vulpes: "pick yourself a kitten and listen to a platter...that rocks!"
assbot: Der Königgrätzer Marsch - Berlin Tattoo - YouTube
cazalla: oncoming traffic lane is fine to use as an overtaking lane too, law allows for it but even without that..
ben_vulpes: no but the point is that the lane was entirely empty, so why fucking honk
cazalla: ben_vulpes, i dunno but most cyclists are passive aggressive pricks may as well join in with the honking
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: probably makes things better by reducing the "GO FAST NOW BRAKE AND WASTE ALL KE NOW HURRY UP AND ACCELERATE MYRIAD TONNES OF PLASTIC AGAIN" dynamic
ben_vulpes: did you duct tape the submarine part to the heli part?
ben_vulpes: he's been derping on cpanel, i can see.
ben_vulpes: Pierre_Rochard: ever derp on "Manager"?
ben_vulpes: it's what we use at sj - can be beaten into whatever absurd demand i make of $bizpartner
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: nope, hadn’t heard of it, checking it out now
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 13:42:00; mircea_popescu: on that litthe shitty keyboard ?
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 14:12:57; mircea_popescu: because that's what #5 does, practically : it offers a model to explain and understand the otherwise insane, and otherwise never explain, luxury behaviour.
ben_vulpes: can i skip the whole WolfeGoethe thread?
Pierre_Rochard: ben_vulpes: not seeing how to customize manager, looks proprietary
ben_vulpes: "beat that thing into submission and deliver what i've asked for"
mircea_popescu: gtfo, reddit. you don't get to classify the things other people do.
Pierre_Rochard: I’ll definitely be taking pointers from it, but end goal is tight integration with bitcoin wallets & APIs, and leaning on pgsql as much as possible. That’s what made greenfield a necessity
Pierre_Rochard: thanks for the tip though, definitely one of the rare accounting packages I didn’t find immediately revolting
ben_vulpes: great thing about -assets is the "rewrite everything" option
danielpbarron fits in with the blue rectangle in the top right excluded from the overlapping
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: it's missing the dune/WoT polyamory
ben_vulpes: yeah where is the voluntary celibacy box?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i can vouch for the fact that the classification's nonsensical by the plain observation that i'm all over the fucking map.
mircea_popescu: it looks like the elephant three people found in a dark room.
ben_vulpes: it's like one of those lolarious meyers briggs thing
ben_vulpes: anyone with two neurons rubbing together can make it barf whatever rating zhe desire
mircea_popescu: anyway, i will say for the record that all this "typficiation" bullshit, from the ntjx to the mti to everything else is ~strictly~ the result of lazy writing.
mircea_popescu: harlan e has a piece where he explains how people like hubbard were optimizing their workflow by - for instance - typing on rolls of butcher paper so as to not waste time changing sheets in typewriter
mircea_popescu: this exact process is at work here - it becomes much easier to write the sort of pulp cultureless usians call "novels" by proceeding on one of these accounting paradigms
mircea_popescu: poorly-er done. meanly-er done, actually, in the classical sense of mean ("of mean extraction")
mircea_popescu: so... it's only useful if you're making two cents a word writing "young adult fiction" or whatever other "genre" bullshit, and need shorthand to keep track of your "characters"
mircea_popescu: of course contemporary usage is unpaid shanonizers (such as, reddit users), increasing the volume and decreasing the cost of their misrepresentations of their own social interactions.
mircea_popescu: which is technically a step below on the literary scale. i await with bated breath the next step underwater.
danielpbarron: the author of sex-diagram ->
https://www.franklinveaux.com/ "This is the home of Franklin Veaux, a writer, computer consultant, polyamory and BDSM activist, sex educator, and sometimes amateur photographer. Over the years, I've built a more or less inadvertent Web empire, and this is the page that brings all my various Web sites together."
assbot: Athanasius Kircher. Arca Musarithmica And Many Sound Devices - Digicult | Digital Art, Design and Culture : Digicult | Digital Art, Design and Culture ... (
http://bit.ly/1Q4CaMz )
mircea_popescu: srsly alf, shanonizing is a very old usage of language.
mircea_popescu: language is not the result of a single force, but of two, driving it in that left-right manner of driving splits in wood.
danielpbarron: not sure what it counts as, but I'm not into that stuff anymore / burned my yarrow stalks and books on i ching and tao te ching etc
danielpbarron: and the scripts are not hosted anywhere, although copies may still exist in a backup tar somewhere
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BingoBoingo: It's a kind of targeted subset of keys I'm feeding and there aren't too many
danielpbarron: mod6, "The Bitcoin Foundation would like bestow our sincerest thanks and gratitude" << like to* bestow ?
mod6: well, at least im consistant. :] looks that way in all of
mod6: anyway, thanks, i'll update on the next months address.
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 22:03:49; mircea_popescu: brilliant guy, inescapably stupid. what are you gonna do ? can't empower stupid. off to the gulag with him.
assbot: Logged on 30-03-2015 01:48:44; Adlai: deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious must be removed immediately." - Attributed, circa 1933; General Baron Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord (1878-1943); German Chief of Army Command (1930-33)
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 16:21:53; ascii_field: every country should have an exhibit of its 'zimbabwean' currencies
decimation: asciilifeform:
http://lambda-diode.com/opinion/ecc-memory-2 < " Nevertheless, this means that when you buy a computer, you are playing "DIMM" (and motherboard) roulette . You have something like one chance in three to ten of getting a computer that will experience memory errors at the frightening frequencies (one every few days) that I talked about but attributed to cosmic rays, and that AMD talks about in their whitepaper . "
decimation: although it seems that the cosmic rays might not be the major/primary cause of issues
decimation: asciilifeform: I was looking for a non-golden-toilet laptop with ecc today
decimation: yeah that's the old-school explanation
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decimation: supposedly back when ram cells were larger (larger targets) the ram manufacturers took care to ensure that their cases were low alpha emitters
decimation: and also sealed the silicon in a layer of protective coating
decimation: anyway, given how cheap and easy it is to use ecc ram, it does seem rather laughable that folks don't use
decimation: there are some links to industry papers written mainly in the 70's-80's
decimation: strangely no one even seems to think of this as being an issue anymore
decimation: and 'big iron' servers have ecc, raid as standard features
decimation: I took a cpr class today, relatively simple AED electronics cost > $1k
decimation: partially for the liability, but partially also because the design is actually expected to work
decimation: heh yeah. same for anything on an aircraft
decimation: well, more like a function of the probability of being sued for arbitrary liability
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Why you shouldn’t sell any product to an American (MU-2 crash in Oklahoma) ... (
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decimation: " for example. If we take the last five minutes of flight as critical due to the proximity to the ground, the lawsuit essentially says that it is more likely that a 1 in 756,000 probability event occurred (engine shutdown during a randomly selected five-minute block of operation time) than that a pilot with virtually no turbine experience or experience with the MU-2 crashed the notoriously tricky airplane through pilot error. "
decimation: actually, much more sophisticated techniques exist
decimation: somehow hard drives are allowed to have their own computers, so they implement advanced ldpc codes
decimation: sure. somehow ram didn't escape the reach of the microshit von neumann machine, but hard disk did
decimation: sure, but it's not directly visible, unlike cpu/ram interface
decimation: heh yeah raid controllers are their own world if crazy too
decimation: does there exist a completely open firmware for a raid controller?
decimation: and also try moving the drives from one controller to another (even same make and model)
decimation: they hardly look like baltimore residents
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently the story was suddenly uninteresting
decimation: the interesting point will be to see if anyone even mentions it in the presidential campaign
BingoBoingo: If I recall Clitler in the 1990's promised to press her husband to do similar
decimation:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/baltimore-riots.html?_r=1 < more lol "Near the burned-out CVS, Robert Wilson, a college student who went to high school in Baltimore, said: “With the riots, we’re not trying to act like animals or thugs. We’re just angry at the surroundings, like this is all that is given to us, and we’re tired of this, like nobody wants to wake up and see broken-down buildings. They take away the
decimation: community centers, they take away our fathers, and now we have traffic lights that don’t work, we have houses that are crumbling, falling down.”"
decimation: and apparently any unwanted changes can easily be explained by the evil conspiracy of 'they'
decimation: this is a common failure mode even for folks outside jail
decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure
☟︎ BingoBoingo: decimation: In East St Louis there are Stop Signs mounted to the traffic control lights
decimation: BingoBoingo: is there even much traffic there?
decimation:
http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the other hand, the cops are out there
☟︎ decimation: putting their lives on the line to save their city."
decimation: BingoBoingo: apparently the wise masters who run east st. louis have better things upon which to spend their tax dollars/bonds/whatever
decimation: couple $10k for a traffic light just doesn't rate
decimation: "We tell them to do the best they can, and then when an individual cop messes up, everybody blames the police. And cops feel strangely victimized by this system — they’re put in the middle and used as political tools."
decimation: asciilifeform: quite so, high level civil servants, press, etc
decimation: ^warning to people who want to enter the us police chumpatron
decimation: asciilifeform: what composes the 'federal gendarmerie'? fbi?
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mircea_popescu: prolly going to be an endless parade as we enter into the last phase. buffett started it.
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 02:58:55; asciilifeform: decimation: it's far more often radioactive decay in the materials of which the machine itself is made
mircea_popescu: decimation : all it takes is for the entire "law enforcement" thing to be broken once. its own manzikert moment.
mircea_popescu: "On the optimism bias, while I’ve known that these numbers have been consistently too optimistic, I always assumed that the senior leadership of the fed had access to the real data, and the numbers put out for the public were heavily, well, decorated."
mircea_popescu: apparently the double accounting thing is obvious by now.
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:18:35; asciilifeform: not afaik.
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:40:37; decimation: of course, the deep expectation is that the world ought to be a red carpet, upon which said paranoid ought to be able to trample at leisure
mircea_popescu: that's perhaps the true subtext there. "they told me not to grab womyn butt. okay, i don't. they told me not to hunt deer off the highway. ok, i don't. they told me not to make fire indoors. alright. and i don't smoke either, and apparently coke is bad. i liked coke but whatever.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER they also promised all sorts of shit. in exchange. where is it ?"
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:42:41; asciilifeform: 'in a bad neighbourhood, what specifically is bad? is it the concrete, glass, steel?' -- ilkka kokkarinen
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 03:43:02; decimation:
http://www.isegoria.net/2015/04/baltimore-cop-in-the-hood/ < "Of course, another thing is that most people who can leave have left. And so, in these pockets, how can you have good community relations when a substantial number of people are actively or passively involved in crime? I think there are a lot of cops that just say, “Fuck ‘em, they want burn their neighborhood, let ‘em.” But on the othe
mircea_popescu: africa doesn't suck because "black people suck". africa sucks because africa is the people who were left behind.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8750 @ 0.00026382 = 2.3084 BTC [+]
chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame
☟︎ wyrdmantis: jurov: funny how many people don't understand what "disrupting" actually means
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32887 @ 0.00026452 = 8.6993 BTC [+]
jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first
☟︎ wyrdmantis: LOL let's talk about superman's suit color
jurov: (i know miner and node is not the same thing but could not resist)
davout: asciilifeform: so i have finally acquired a dedicated SSD and a euro-plug adapter for the pogo, where do i start?
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 09:25:48; davout: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard /me is pretty interested
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mircea_popescu: admin of what ? bitcoin ? the wiki you linked ? the dns system ?
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williamdunne: 13:56, 5 April 2015 Taras (Talk | contribs) deleted page Comparison of VPS providers (content was: "{{PfD|Nobody is willing to frequently update it. It's completely useless and misleading.}} {{outdated}} VPS price comparison. Cheapest plans are shown. Based on list of providers that accept...")
mircea_popescu: williamdunne afaik they restricted new accounts because nobody was giving a shit and there was too much spam
williamdunne: And a monthly maintaining price ofc to keep it up to date
williamdunne: RockHoster_: 4 BTC initial, 1 BTC per/month after that to keep it up to date
williamdunne: You can't edit it though or it would be shilling
mircea_popescu: o look at that, 50 changes this month. including tonal.
williamdunne: If its worth enough for you to come here, the price should be worth it. Not surprised that it drove a fair bit of traffic
mircea_popescu: williamdunne the two propositions are contradictory neh ?
williamdunne: RockHoster_: You don't qualify as a neutral source
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Yeah, true. Although this page is a particularly awkward one to upkeep
RockHoster_: What can I do if I want to be moderator of that page ?
williamdunne: RockHoster_: You can't, because you're not neutral. You need someone to do it for you
mircea_popescu: RockHoster_ were you one of the participants in the "fight to be on the top" ?
RockHoster_: Seriously I don't have 1 BTC to pay somebody
williamdunne: Well then don't, I offered my personal price. Take it or leave it
williamdunne: And its 4 BTC upfront, then 1 per month after that
mircea_popescu: RockHoster_ looky here : the REASON you don't have 1 btc to throw away is that you're spedning your time trying to manipulate an obscure wiki nobody gives a shit about.
mircea_popescu: stop wasting your time, do something useful, you'll have plenty o' money eventually.
williamdunne: RockHoster_: You'll be on the list, you get no "special" benefit. I can't be biased towards you I will be neutral
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mircea_popescu: williamdunne how the fuck are you going to make a neutral list of "vps hosters" anyway.
williamdunne: Google a bunch of them, put their location and offerings on the list
mircea_popescu: a) they're all the same size and b) every tide washes more in.
mircea_popescu: i was under the impression "vps hosting" is the new "unlimited shared hosting" thing of the 2000s.
williamdunne: Before I think it was data allowance, price, location and if they allow tor or not
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assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 09:35:48; chetty: Its election season, must have vultures to blame
mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-05-2015#1117673 << it's funny tho, all the fraudulent pretense. "oh, a guy we never met is a founding director, because we wish to have the implication of legitimacy that would offer. next we make george washington founding director, and edit his wikipedia to say he founded the us and our turd"
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 10:10:47; jurov: yes these are biggest problems phoudation has to fix first
mircea_popescu: davout Pierre_Rochard iirc danielpbarron has a write-up somewhere.
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 00:53:04; mircea_popescu: that's why bigger penis is better rite ?
pete_dushenski: despite the practical limitations, it's still cool to be ginormous.
pete_dushenski: sorta like that louis ck bit about young black comics just being way, way fucking cooler than he could ever be
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Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: install instructions relating to my accounting software, not pogo/bitcoin
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell decimation did you set up your edgerouter in osx ? if so, did you also have issues with minicom ?
pete_dushenski will be using ubuntu in next edgerouter set-up attempt.
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mats: i've rarely had a good experience with ubuntu
mats: basically, at work my team has a "you break it, we fix it" policy
pete_dushenski: i'm just trying to set up this edgerouter with freebsd. nothing else.
mats: i spend a non trivial amount of time debugging ubuntu desktops whenever people break it
mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers
☟︎ pete_dushenski: wtf does anyone seriously need bluetooth for, talking while driving ?
mats: i never figured out why, but the kernel seemed convinced there was a hardware switch thrown someplace
mats needs to read the linux kernel
danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, oh you mean use ubuntu on the machine from which you are connecting to the edgerouter/
mats: he had wireless headphones he wanted to use at his desk
pete_dushenski: mats: i don't see the appeal of wireless headphones, mostly because they're another thing to charge with another cable
danielpbarron: not so bad; i used ubuntu to do that with pogo for my first attempted after soldering the serial thing onto it
pete_dushenski: more battery management, which is what 'modern lyf' seems to reduce to.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: i figure it's worth a shot seeing as how i'm at a bit of a dead end with osx
danielpbarron: you should better learn gentoo or something though
danielpbarron: it's just a matter of opening a serial console or whatever?
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: that's where i'm at, yes. serial comm software 'minicom' doesn't want to work.
mats: i like the idea of wireless headphones but the bluetooth stack is horribly damaged
danielpbarron: i'm reading the thing you pasted, and the instructions are very similar to adulterating a pogo
mats: Fun fact: the BLE (Bluetooth Low Energy) spec provides three key exchange mechanisms, two of the three which do not provide any passive eavesdropping protection
mats: so... given that the out of band key exchange is the most difficult to implement, that's effectively a selective backdoor.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: forgive my late arrival to the thread, but why are we talking about screen on os x?
pete_dushenski: as an alternative to minicom for serial communication between desktop and edgerouter
mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.
☟︎ pete_dushenski: setting up the edgerouter with freebsd is proving to be exactly that!
ben_vulpes: ah yeah, but that's annoying and complicated with a future, unlike your current "dead end"
danielpbarron: "A collection of scripts that work together to manage multiple invocations of GNU Screen to overcome some of its limitations on Mac OS X."
danielpbarron: for me, serial adapter is only accessible as root, although i think i read somewhere there are things you can do to make it work for other users
danielpbarron: and that thing i just quoted makes it sound like screen is already on OS X; try typing screen --version in your terminal
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: just checked. /dev/cu.usbserial shows up.
danielpbarron: once you have screen, it's as easy as typing screen /dev/cu.usbserial 115200
danielpbarron: i'm surprised it says the file doesn't exist when you say you saw it in /dev/
danielpbarron: if you do wind up using ubuntu, the live cd is suitable ; you can even "install" screen to the temporary system without actually writing to your hard drive
pete_dushenski: okie dokie, pete the n00b might've just isolated the issue...
pete_dushenski: instead of establishing a serial connection with 'edgeos' first, i installed freebsd on the usb drive first
pete_dushenski: so unconfigured freebsd has no way of talking to minicom or anything else. it's just a file on a drive.
pete_dushenski: now to see if i can re-install edgeos and start over :)
davout: danielpbarron: so, do you have instructions on how to set up the pogo? does it necessarily imply soldering wizardry?
ben_vulpes: davout: danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt
davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything
☟︎ davout: maybe i misunderstood something
davout: haha, ok nice, guess i'm going to put the pogo back together then :-)
danielpbarron: as long as you don't botch the re-flash, it should be possible to do everything over ethernet
davout: ok, sounds much better wrt industrializing their setup
davout: so the first thing i should do is try to access it through SSH, and work from there, right?
danielpbarron: the thing has a built in method for turning on ssh without any extreme modifications, and from there you can do all else
davout: yeah, the curl bit if i understand correctly
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:21:39; pete_dushenski: ^has anyone set one of these up with freebsd using instructions other than those found here ?
http://rtfm.net/FreeBSD/ERL/ assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:22:10; pete_dushenski: or using serial comm software other than minicom ??
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 16:14:34; davout: hrm.. i was under the impression it was possible to somehow re-flash the pogo from a simple USB stick without soldering anything
ascii_field: or even enable tftp and use experimental os (e.g., mine) without reflashing at all
davout: ascii_field: so what's the simplest way of doing it?
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davout: ascii_field: i have the physical pogos you gave me, an ethernet cable, a power adapter, an internet connection, a few usb sticks, a working debian, and a 120gb sata disk that fits in the pogo. what's the easiest way to set it up as a bitcoin node
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:34:28; mats: this week, a guy broke his entire network stack by trying to install bluetooth drivers
ascii_field: davout: folow danielpbarron's instructions
ascii_field: davout: be aware that we don't have a battlefield-ready 0.5.3.x as of yet.
assbot: Logged on 01-05-2015 15:44:09; mats: another fun fact: Android doesn't seem to implement the only BLE key exchange mechanism not vulnerable to eavesdropping.
danielpbarron: at least, not running on ArchLinux; perhaps with optimizations it could catch up
ascii_field: <danielpbarron> on a related note, my 5400 rpm pogo cannot sync << i spoke of this briefly at c3. the almost deadly-certain explanation is that there is no ram to spare for the customary disk cache
ascii_field: so pogo node lives or dies by the actual speed of the drive.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field actually... a disk cache wouldn't need to be much larger than what, 1mb ?
danielpbarron: comes as no surprise to me; that's exactly the bottle neck i ran into when first getting into running a node
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is normally a readahead cache
danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, my SSD one is still going and I have no reason to suspect it won't eventually sync
danielpbarron: the 5400 rpm one with an up-to-date data dir copied in goes just fast enough to stay about 200 blocks behind the rest of the network at all times; perhaps slowly losing ground
ascii_field: ^ the down side of how 'unobtrusive' disk cache is implemented on linux is that if ram is 'redlined' to the hilt, there is - approximately - no disk caching at all.
mircea_popescu: so basically... current blocks are just big enough to interdict 5400 rpm
davout: danielpbarron: in your docs, 2.2.2 refer to building a kernel for the workstation talking to the pogo, not building a kernel for the pogo itself, or am i heavily confused?
danielpbarron: davout, yeah that's why i'm rewriting; it's about the workstation connecting to pogo
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: with leaky 0.5.3, and on box with 128m, yes
danielpbarron: davout, only necessary if your doing the serial connection soldering thing
danielpbarron: all you need is to install some sort of TFTP server on your workstation, and use the built in flashing tools of pogo to set some parameters to connect to your workstation when it boots
ascii_field: 'A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich.'
mircea_popescu: "The conviction came two days after the judge overseeing the case removed two jurors after a conflict between the two marred deliberations.
davout: danielpbarron: which i'm not (doing the serial thing), so it's not very clear to me how to build the kernel and software that'll actually run on the pogo once it's ready
mircea_popescu: The judge said on Wednesday that letting 10 jurors proceed, not 12, amounted to "uncharted territory," but Marino said that his client agreed to the smaller jury."
danielpbarron: davout, i'm not aware of how to do that; i've only ever used ascii's pre-built kernels i think
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "jury of your peers" in the us = "the mentally ill"
ascii_field: davout, danielpbarron: to build kernel, see my instructions on the listserv
Adlai: "A female juror had accused her male colleague of trying to poison her food, and on Tuesday Marino mentioned that the conflict may have involved an avocado sandwich."
Adlai: oh ascii_field just pasted this. nvm
davout: danielpbarron ascii_field ah i see, i wasn't aware that alf had a pre-built kernel that's to be used, i'll work from there, also i'll document everything I do, so maybe you won't need to spend time updating your docs
ascii_field: davout: it isn't meant to be fired in anger
ascii_field: i certainly have no intention of distributing bins every time we path
davout: ascii_field: my mission is to idiot-proof the process :D
davout: but i guess it can also be fun to do the whole thing, maybe i'll end-up with two sets of docs the "advanced" version and the "i just want this goddamn thing running" version
davout: i think both are required, one for the folks who want to inspect, audit or otherwise fuck with the device, and one to turn a crate of stock pogos into node as fast as possible
mircea_popescu: the path from the current FOSS, roughly approximating a spunk-crusted sock floating in a pringles can half full with week old urine
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and an actual software environment is exactly that : a. people doing jobs 100% and b) documenting this process 100%.
ascii_field: world's best smith cannot mold bullet from shit.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the only shit here is in the heads of, again, every white us male with a college degree.
ascii_field: the tech stack is rotten all the way down.
ascii_field: (don't take my word for it, it is quite apparent)
ascii_field: but mircea_popescu has a point, in that it is necessary to kill the mice before cleaning up their shit - otherwise it is a waste of time, there will be infinite shit
trinque: mircea_popescu | and for the record, i hope the us feminazis win the war and castrate each and every us white male with a college degree. << heh, my balls are safe then
mircea_popescu: moreover, once the mice are killed, the shit self-cleans.
ascii_field: poor analogy. usians still can't rid themselves of 120v
Adlai: somehow the streets of tel aviv are still paved with cement, beneath the dog shit
mircea_popescu: because by now what the usians do is slightly more relevant than what the mongols do.
mircea_popescu: a slightly greater, slightly more relatively advanced empire, slightly longer ago.
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field more on point : consider how much of the windows turdball self-cleanned by simply making gpg required for voice here.
mircea_popescu: "oh, can't get in". "well... so from the other perspective... you no longer exist ?"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this cleaned people, not tech
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "Earlier this year Chin-hao Hu and Pai-tsung Hsu over the process of generating a Bitcoin transaction offline for which they would assign "Intellectual Property" rights to themselves." << missing verb ?
ascii_field: it's rather like those baobab-like trees in buenos aires
☟︎ ascii_field: how can i know, is it one tree, six, or forty-six
mircea_popescu: this particular detachment between words and things...
ascii_field: appealing in trees. in people - not so much
mircea_popescu: by the way, am i the only foreigner that thinks southern dialects a lot more expressive, interesting and developed than yankee english ?
ascii_field hasn't enough exposure to the former, to say
Adlai: the south considered themselves closer to the commonwealth than to the yanks
ascii_field: see also 'the mind of the south' (w. j. cash) - mega-recommended
Adlai: and/or "The Killer Angels"
ascii_field: had interesting thesis - that cotton only worked on small fraction of land available, and the rest was left mostly alone to the non-slaveholding inhabitants, with minimal statal footprint
trinque: southerners like their govts dysfunctional at best
trinque: tx legislature meets every two years, mostly to talk about doing nothing
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in any case the wisdom was to keep the taxes low and the government minimal, because large plantation owners know best what to do with resources.
trinque: in previous conversations about the need for privilege it has occurred to me that tx seems to have this
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: according to cash, it was rather because southern states ran extraction economy of soil and slave, but did not need the non-planter whites for anything - so left alone (as 'fremen', in 'dune')
trinque: there are parts of cities you can't possibly live in without wealth
trinque: with proper walls around them
mircea_popescu: bad move, too. idleness is the mother of devilness or how's that called.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they did not even need to exterminate them to vacate space, because most of the soil was not cotton-grade.
mircea_popescu: there's some contemporary records of "trying to get a cotton farm going", by people without the resoruces and without the intelligence to understand resources at all.
mircea_popescu: reads a lot like the stories of the "web start-up culture"
mats: its amusing there's an actual /r/badBIOS subreddit
mircea_popescu: same "they're moving up and down on a patch of land ; we're moving up and down on a patch of land. what the hell's the difference!"
ascii_field: mats: and it is all full of one particular species, yes
trinque: I consider TX a highly redeemable part of the US
ascii_field: mats: the kind of schizo that seems to live and breathe solely to discredit actual investigation into usg shenanigans
ascii_field: i do not know if they grow naturally or have to be cultivated - but they serve this purpose.
mats: readers of the log: badBIOS is a hoax, although the principle of the thing is entirely achievable
mircea_popescu: ascii_field do you think 50 shades of gray exists to discredit actual bdsm / harry potter exists to discredit actual fiction ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nah those are more like 'kraft food' vs actual food
mircea_popescu: in a "consumer driven" ideas market... the "ideas" will look like the derps.
☟︎ ascii_field: let's peek back a few decades to the folks who were listening to cia broadcasts with their tooth amalgams
trinque: somebody in the south needs to start screaming about anti-communism and they'd get far.
ascii_field: the physical principle - is sound, demonstrated.
trinque: average texans are not at all afraid of the idea of secession
trinque: and I don't mean this play-ball tea party thing
mircea_popescu: so it is in principle possible to transform energy from state to state.
mircea_popescu: now, seeing how vibration in the audible frequency for teeth has a calculable minimum,
mircea_popescu: we can in fact calculate the power of the cia antenna required. correct ?
mircea_popescu: "Ebay did grant my item not as described case. However, Ebay didn't acknowledge that an interdicted, tampered, infected and implanted device is an item not described.
mircea_popescu: this is strictly correct. an item tampered with by the government is not, legally, an item distinct from an item not tampered with by the government.
ascii_field: as a very small boy, i listened to a 'radio' consisted of a handset speaker from a busted telephone (circa 1940s?) and a diode (pulled out of ancient bobbin deck, also thrown out window by someone)
mircea_popescu: this is exactly why government may not continue to exist.
ascii_field: this was possible because su loved am radio
mircea_popescu: moreover, the "listening to cia" people do not plug speakers into their teeth.
ascii_field: people do not plug speakers into their teeth << bone conduction
mircea_popescu: so... you know. yes "it's possible". however, doing it on dentine and lead... tough job.
mircea_popescu: yes yes. just pointing out to you that while it is theoretically possible, it is improbable it ever was practically achieved either by accident or by hobbists.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, cold fusion is just as theoretically possible.
mircea_popescu: so listen alf, i had an exceptional plate of deviled eggs last night... ate 18^H^H 19^H^H 27 of the suckers
mircea_popescu: but you know... it kinda didn't sit well... so i let out this huge burp... and i think it all went into my cavity or something
ascii_field: this is how 'fuck you i'm a dragon' probably began.
mircea_popescu: "he's so dumb, he could throw himself on the ground and miss"
trinque: mircea_popescu: my biz partner's dad has all kinds of them
trinque: "does the pope shit in his hat?"
trinque: "busier than a cat with two asses" << loads of variations on that one
mircea_popescu: see, but that's the sort of person that's worth getting drunk
mircea_popescu: "more worried than a cat in a roomfull of rocking chairs"
trinque: ah shit his whole family's a hoot drunk
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field people are on reddit so as to be with other like minded people. it is a social function. what words they say... "world's best dad!"
mircea_popescu: trinque see, if you've ever seen if (1=1) in code you comprehend this literary device. "have you ever whipped a woman ?" "does the bear shit in the woods ?"
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ stock 1=1 answer being, "does the pope wear a funny hat"
mircea_popescu: as time went by, the two were merged into one, and so...
mircea_popescu: "she's so skinny she's gonna fall through her butt and hang herself"
trinque: can't even make fun of people in portland; how's anyone supposed to tell a joke
Luke-Jr: yeah, I'm kinda surprised he didn't take williamdunne's offer
mircea_popescu: 5 btc ? sure, he could amortize $1000 in advertising expenses just as soon as the wiki gets twelve trillion pageviews or something.
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davout: "So... You changed the name of your service so you could be on top of an obscure list? Taras (talk) 20:22, 23 September 2014 (UTC)" <<< that's pretty SOP with locksmiths in the yellow pages
mircea_popescu: fuckin gridiculous everyone was amber angel and whatever
davout: here, everyone is "ABC Express Locksmith"
davout: sounds like a cool job, get calls at night about lost keys, show up with a drill and a spare, bill $maxint
mircea_popescu: back when people could actually wake me up it was a lot more than that.
davout: heh, guess you're right, happened to me back in the day, guess my brain at the time recorded 80€ as 'holy shit, lots of money'
ascii_field pictures a sciencefiction story, set in the world of 'shall be delivered', about a fella who forgot a key and goes to a specialist who 'helps remember'
assbot: Logged on 29-03-2015 18:21:35; asciilifeform: ^ so in principle these can be reimplemented with the nand tools i have included.
danielpbarron: stock pogo does not come with this tool, but it does come with nandwrite, flash_erase, and flash_eraseall
trinque: danielpbarron: one of the vars in there sets the boot order
trinque: there was some command to dump out all vars
trinque: should be able to spot it; the value of it names other vars iirc comma separated
danielpbarron: and can also be used from the OS, but they don't come standard with an unmodified pogo
ascii_field: danielpbarron: on stock pogo you need fw_printenv (or serial cable) to get into uboot console
ascii_field: simplest way is to get those utils on the stock os (sftp copy, or wget) and use.
danielpbarron: yes, so what is the easiest way to get fw_printenv on a new unit ? just copy it over from workstation ? or is it easier to reflash with your own kernel using the stock nandwrite tool
trinque: I stuck a debian install on one of the attached drives as a workspace
danielpbarron: what is the easiest way to make your own fw_printenv ? is this something that come out of the same process that makes the kernel ?
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ascii_field: danielpbarron: all it does is dump/write the reserved 2nd half of mtd0
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davout: so i'm currently connected to the Pogo through SSH, pretty easy so far
davout: not sure how one compiles U-Boot though
davout: ascii_field: ok, i should be able to get it from your binaries amirite
davout: (starting with the 'simple' version of my guide)
davout: meh, nvm, i'll do the full version first, and dumb it down afterwards
davout: ascii_field: should i start straight with your v2 patches ?
davout: aok, ty, sorry for my noobish questions!
danielpbarron: seems as though the stock pogo is configured to look for a TFTP server without any modification -> bootcmd=bootp; setenv bootargs root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:${rootpath} ip=${ipaddr}:${serverip}:${gatewayip}:${netmask}:${hostname}::off; bootm
ascii_field has no idea how to set up bootp, did not try this
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mats: market doesn't look impressed by TSLA's "Powerwall"
jurov: it was already expected for some time, no?
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jurov: price seems fair, i'd like to see how quickly will they able to produce
mats: i'm still strapped in, gonna reevaluate my position when they finally produce an electric utility truck
jurov: and when will they come to europe
jurov: powerplant is extra
mircea_popescu: i don't think they stand a chance in europe, for teh record.
mircea_popescu: the us market was so bad even toyota could sell there. it hasn't improved since the 70s.
mats: i can already imagine the advertisements --
mats: tesla truck and f-250 at the starting line on a track, both tethered to a stack of shipping containers
mats: after the tesla driver wins, he plugs it in and fills the bed with pumps, chemicals, water... and heads off to a client's home for a carpet cleaning gig
jurov: in the eu, would be fun to see people trying to use it with 2500w hair dryers and vacuum machines(especially these tend to make nasty power spikes)
mod6: the correct pogo to order is the Series 4 with the maroon/red colored logo on the front right?
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davout: danielpbarron: does that mean there could be a way to auto-setup pogos by plugging them to an ethernet cable and turning them on ?
jurov: ascii_field: i was here, really nothing happened
ascii_field: they oughta plug into one another, for 'breath of life'
assbot: Logged on 28-03-2015 02:23:30; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: pigeons: let's scratch the arithmetic itch. approx. 8400 km from me to b-a. a LiMnO2 (non-rechargeable) battery yields approx. 400 Wh/kg.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> 'does the pope shit in the woods' << Does the bear shit in the pope?
gribble: Chillum was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 0 days, 3 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Chillum> I have never understood how a 1 paragraph post that links to a full article somehow makes it to the top of google searches. They are adding basically nothing
kakobrekla: ascii_field i guess the search is out of sync
kakobrekla: ;;later tell mthreat might want to resync the search?
ascii_field: chillum 'was a chemist, but now he is no more; for what he thought was h2o, was h2so4.' or the like.
Adlai: didn't that happen to the chemist's son?
mod6: ok awesome, got one in my cart.
mod6: alrighty, ordered. thanks again.
mike_c: is this shit case sensitive or not?
mike_c: kakobrekla: are the usernames case sensitive? could there be a KAKObrekla and a kakobrekla?
assbot: Nick mike_c is already taken.
assbot: Nick mike_c is already taken.
assbot: Nick MIKE_c is already taken.
mike_c: mats: thanks for the bug report. will be fixed soon.
BingoBoingo: The northeast, most racist part of 'Murica
mircea_popescu: for the record, saying nigger and racism are about as related as saying synergy and making a profit.
BingoBoingo: Sure, but tis te Washington Post, what can you truly expect
mircea_popescu: nude exercise of power, obviously. if fuctard gets you to not say a word, the reason doesn't matter. what matters is the fact that you're now doing what he's tellin' you to.
mircea_popescu: kinda how the fetlife derps got all twisted about "rape". omagawd our consent was violated by other people using words without asking for permission!!1
mircea_popescu: so how about the washington post is no longer allowed to say the r word.
mircea_popescu: also the e word. are there more vulgar obscenities the libertards use ?
mircea_popescu: r*cism, d*mocratic, eq*ality and i guess r*ights. shit there's two r words.
mircea_popescu: they don't really say that anymore. even "progressive"'s gone down the drain
mircea_popescu: must suck to be one of those people, always stuck with a new word nest like a god damned cuckoo
cazalla: enough time has passed that you could show today's kids "tokyo breakfast" for the lulz
cazalla: muh cultural adoption, muh racism
trinque: cazalla: hadn't seen this, goddamn hilarious
cazalla: yeah, it's fkn old now but ripe for passing off as new to the young ones
mike_c: maybe a very simple "not found" page?