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kakobrekla: small fix
kakobrekla: i think we are good nao
artifexd: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
artifexd: !down benkay
artifexd: Hmm....
artifexd: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
benkay: feature's still around, kakobrekla
kakobrekla: hold on
benkay: okay so more gpg derpery
benkay: got a master key, got a signing subkey
benkay: i push master key id/pubkey to keyservers?
benkay: then signing key?
benkay: then point gribble at the signing key?
benkay: or the master key?
benkay: mircea_popescu pankkake ping
pankkake: if you push the master key id it will push everything, at least by default
benkay: send-keys seems to fail for some reason
pankkake: and you give gribble the master key id. however, you can then sign/decrypt with the other keys by themselves
kakobrekla: ah i see what the problem is
benkay: mkay lets try this again...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29284 @ 0.00096801 = 28.3472 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: perhaps you have a wrong keyserver in the config
benkay: keys.gnupg.net?
benkay: no, it's pushing correctly - my mistake.
pankkake: https://sks-keyservers.net/
ozbot: SKS Keyservers
pankkake: I'm falling asleep, nighty night
benkay: fuck everything gpg says my sig is fine fuck you gribble
benkay: night pankkake
pankkake: if you just pushed, it might take a while for it to appear in all the servers
benkay: i'll give it a few, thanks, pankkake
kakobrekla: !up mike_c
assbot: Voicing mike_c for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: Voicing benkay for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: wtff
kakobrekla: no.
mike_c: ;;echo drunk in production
BingoBoingo: “If you pay $7,500, you ought to be able to bring out a quesadilla,” Miller said.
kakobrekla: !up assbot
assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is already voiced.
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is already voiced.
BingoBoingo: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that, BingoBoingo.
benkay: !down benkay
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
benkay: !up benkay
assbot: benkay, benkay is already voiced.
benkay: !up gribble
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
benkay: ;;ticker
kakobrekla: lel
kakobrekla: benkay do !up on pvt
benkay: kakobrekla: done
benkay: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: i dont cunt
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.
benkay: huehuehue
artifexd: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
kakobrekla: good
artifexd: !down benkay
assbot: artifexd, benkay is not voiced.
benkay: !up artifexd
assbot: Can't do that, benkay.
benkay: !down artifexed
assbot: benkay, artifexed is not voiced.
kakobrekla: what.
benkay: funny, why do i get to up kako?
kakobrekla: ok more fail
benkay: !down kakobrekla
benkay: !up ka
assbot: Voicing ka for 30 minutes.
benkay: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
benkay: dem edge cases
kakobrekla: what is happening to me is ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12100 @ 0.00096337 = 11.6568 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i wasnt authed by assbot
kakobrekla: yet
kakobrekla: now i am
kakobrekla: try to down
kakobrekla: me
artifexd: !down kakobrekla
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
artifexd: !up kakobrekla
assbot: artifexd, kakobrekla is already voiced.
kakobrekla: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, kakobrekla.
artifexd: !up benkay
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
kakobrekla: meh
kakobrekla: something is up with benkay .
artifexd: !down kakobrekla
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
artifexd: Seems like it is working fine.
kakobrekla: i dunno
mircea_popescu: !up mircea_popescu
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: aww, that went away huh ?
kakobrekla: yea
mircea_popescu: awell
artifexd: benkay is already voiced so I can't up him, right?
kakobrekla: !down benkay
assbot: kakobrekla, benkay is not voiced.
kakobrekla: ^^
kakobrekla: stupid assbot
artifexd: !down ArtyFact
assbot: artifexd, ArtyFact is not voiced.
artifexd: !down mircea_popescu
assbot: artifexd, mircea_popescu is not voiced.
mircea_popescu: ha-ha!
kakobrekla: yea yea ill debug
mircea_popescu: i totaly loved the fact that one could voice self thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others.
artifexd: But you didn't like that one could be revoiced by others thus becoming vulnerable to devoicing by others?
asciilifeform: that was neat, bring it back kako
mircea_popescu: artifexd correct.
kakobrekla: selfpwning?
benkay: selfpwning is great.
mircea_popescu: selfpwning should be allowed.
kakobrekla: you guise are unserial
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5945 = 1.189 BTC [-]
benkay: serialized to the wire
mircea_popescu: unreals
kakobrekla: i might do another reboot later on.
benkay: kakobrekla: can you get gribble voiced in here in the meantime?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/
mircea_popescu: !up gribble
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: o.o
mircea_popescu: !up Duffer1
assbot: Voicing Duffer1 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: benkay dat 2fa thing. wow.
benkay: whattabout it?
asciilifeform: jurov: http://trilema.com/2014/mpexrfc1/#comment-98982 << i must note that i can't stop a determined idiot from pulling his ROM and stowing the key somewhere
mircea_popescu: benkay srsly, social engineering attack, emptied wallet ?
Duffer1: ni hao?
mircea_popescu: ppl won't read.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 you gotta id with gribble and pm assbot !up
benkay: what 2fa thing are we talking about? that which my boys decrappified or the blockchain 2fa breach?
mircea_popescu: latter.
benkay: kinda unreal, right?
mircea_popescu: yea.
benkay: gulag?
mircea_popescu: we have a security feature which we'll turn off.
mircea_popescu: it's secure in the sense of... um...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06201312 = 0.3101 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "my gf would never cheat on me. unless someone asked her to, of course."
Duffer1: thanks for the heads up mircea i'll check it out after i get something to eat
benkay: that's what happened.
benkay: blockchain owes the poor doctors in a big way.
mircea_popescu: how much are they out anyway ?
benkay: 143.94
benkay: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html
benkay: doh no not that
benkay: mircea_popescu: "almost 23.5"
benkay: almost an mpex seat lol
mircea_popescu: sux.
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: why is chanserv so evil
benkay: cuz freenode
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
benkay: ha neat
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00095967 = 4.6064 BTC [-] {2}
gribble: !up nanotube
assbot: Can't do that, gribble.
kakobrekla: bah
gribble: kakobrekla mircea_popescu nice re assbot and voice stuff. :)
kakobrekla: apparently freenode will force devoice when you change nicks
kakobrekla: i didnt know that, neeed to change some things.
gribble: how does one gain voice without having it, though? can't send !up t channel.
kakobrekla: thanks gribble
kakobrekla: !up on pm or !up <nick> on chan
assbot: Voicing on for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: o cmon.
gribble: ah up in pm, ic.
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
benkay: still works!
mircea_popescu: nanotube you send it via pm
mircea_popescu: !up nanotube
assbot: Voicing nanotube for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up cgcardona_
assbot: Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: :-] thank you sir
mircea_popescu: sure
nanotube: mircea_popescu, yea kakobrekla already told me. :) cool stuff.
mircea_popescu: it seems very clever, im curious if it'll end in tears
mircea_popescu: !up KRS-1
assbot: Voicing KRS-1 for 30 minutes.
artifexd: Is the wot chain examined once and cached forever (or X amount of time) or each time someone issues an up command?
mircea_popescu: artifexd i imagine assbot queries gribble, which caches for about half a minute iirc.
artifexd: Ok. I was wondering about if someone gets rated, such that he/she can self-voice, and then turns out to be an asshat, will unrating them remove their self-voicing ability.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure, but voice stays with the session
KRS-1: thx
artifexd: Seems the logical approach.
mircea_popescu: you in the wot KRS-1 ?
mircea_popescu: artifexd tbh i suspect this is more of an anti-derpage measure than an anti-asshat measure
KRS-1: yea but i lost my damned key when my life got turned upside down recently..been going through some shit personally
mircea_popescu: that sucks
KRS-1: wondering when its going to f'n stop
benkay: i wonder if there's a critical mass in here to keep conversational inertia
asciilifeform: i often wonder when people will succumb to the temptation to... implant their keys.
KRS-1: what happens to my abortioned wot account
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: the other day you mentioned w/ regards to reincarnation/afterlife/nirvana having people hash by hand until they find a block. I've been thinking about that. I'm guessing the difficulty would be based on their overall level of derpage?
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ many years ago, towards the end of training this english major / drama girl how to math, she had to do multiplications, 10 digit by 10 digit
mircea_popescu: pen on paper. she could go through a few dozen befpre falling over
mircea_popescu: that'd be just about enough for... one hash.
KRS-1: might as well rely on intuition or magic.
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 did you also have a btc addy registered ?
KRS-1: yes im pretty sure
mircea_popescu: benkay s/mass/ass!
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 then you can just log with the btc addy and reg a new gpg key.
KRS-1: ok
mircea_popescu: prolly should do that asap, too, before you also lose the key
mircea_popescu: the addy i mean.
KRS-1: mircea_popescu did you patch your ssl
mircea_popescu: nope
KRS-1: what did jurov say anything? its pretty important
mircea_popescu: KRS-1 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-04-2014#609785 ☝︎
mircea_popescu: and afaik jurov patched it.
KRS-1: oh good
mircea_popescu: !up dub
assbot: Voicing dub for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: dub : id with gribble and pm assbot !up
dub: !up G's
assbot: Can't do that, dub.
dub: !down Ho's
assbot: dub, Ho's is not voiced.
benkay: oh you
mircea_popescu: lol
benkay: hey everyone half a minute of your attention
benkay: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@71-214-87-217.ptld.qwest.net', is identified as user 'benkay', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ^^ new key
dub: cbf spinning up vm to auth
mircea_popescu: benkay what happened ot the old one
benkay: signed statement regarding keys: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_names-keys.html
benkay: absolutely nothing.
mircea_popescu: no way ?! vulpe being fox in romanian
mircea_popescu: !up AndrewJackson
assbot: Voicing AndrewJackson for 30 minutes.
benkay: and if anyone cares to stare at my ugly mug, http://cascadianhacker.com/about.html
mircea_popescu: we were looking forward for teh lady vulpes
benkay: may i improve your experience in any way before i jet over to the parents to make my little brother's new girlfriend exceedingly uncomfortable?
benkay: you've seen plenty of her, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: lol who are we to stand in the way of the disconfort of your little brother's gf.
benkay: ye've a few minutes yet
mircea_popescu: also i wonder what level btc must reach for benkay to afford windows.
benkay: 2mil
mircea_popescu: that halfway dirty cloth thing...
mircea_popescu: i mean the rooflessness i can see, it's for the hairdo
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://szabo.best.vwh.net/seals.html szabo is a pleasure to read, like an encyclopedia.
mircea_popescu: lmao
benkay: har as if lady v would tolerate such inadequate drapes
mircea_popescu: !up [\\\]
assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
[\]: the bot is shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: Ross Anderson's 'security engineering' ch. 14 'seals.'
mircea_popescu: funnily, here it works
[\]: #justsayin
asciilifeform: https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SEv2-c14.pdf
[\]: it didin't work as assbot_sucks either
asciilifeform: (yes pdf)
[\]: [2014/04/11 20:45:59] <assbot_sucks> !up
[\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:01] <assbot> You must auth with gribble first.
[\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:16] <assbot_sucks> !up
[\]: [2014/04/11 20:46:17] <assbot> You must auth with gribble first.
[\]: but I was auth'd the whole time
mircea_popescu: ;;ident [\\\]
gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
[\]: heh
mircea_popescu: well...
[\]: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
[\]: well
mircea_popescu: which bot.
[\]: learn to escape
[\]: ;;ident "[\\\\\\]"
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick '[\\\]', with hostmask '[\\\]!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
mircea_popescu: actually the hostmask is borked
[\]: its been borked
[\]: doesn't affect my auth
[\]: your bot doesn't handle special characters
[\]: thats a security issue
mircea_popescu: [\\\] it's not my bot unless it did something cool. otherwise it's kakobrekla's. and moreover, it'd seem gribble passes it an error.
[\]: mircea_popescu: you're missing the point
mircea_popescu: no
[\]: my nick as assbot_sucks, but auth'd was failing too
mircea_popescu: i am ESCAPING the point
benkay: ouch
mircea_popescu: :D
[\]: which has nothing to do with [\\\]
assbot_sucks: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'assbot_sucks', with hostmask 'assbot_sucks!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
assbot_sucks: see
assbot_sucks: !up
assbot: Need a nickname, assbot_sucks.
assbot_sucks: haha
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust [\\\]
gribble: Error: "\\\" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: it fails if yor ident doesn't match your nick
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust "[\\\]"
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user [\\]: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=%5B%5C%5C%5D | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%5B%5C%5C%5D | Rated since: never
assbot_sucks: mircea_popescu: silly.
assbot_sucks: kakobrekla: you gotta escape mang
benkay: mircea_popescu: the reason for debian gpg instructions is that the default gnupg keygen process creates a key that decrypts only
kakobrekla: ok so apparently adding quotes hapls if you have a retarded nickname
assbot_sucks: "[\\\\\\]"
assbot_sucks: escape the slashes retardedly
kakobrekla: i will.
benkay: entering 'expert mode' is req'd apparently to get a xor'd key
mircea_popescu: wouldn't it be easier to just ban imsa ?
kakobrekla: yea
kakobrekla: stop hiding imsa
kakobrekla: we know its you
assbot_sucks: it isn't hiding.
assbot_sucks: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'assbot_sucks', with hostmask 'assbot_sucks!\\\]@unaffiliated/imsaguy', is identified as user 'imsaguy', with GPG key id 7D7EA76776E6CE48, key fingerprint A1398F4C58AC3D387F012AFA7D7EA76776E6CE48, and bitcoin address 1Hf5qWZzd2WsrDwLhkykNc4uXPAkykg9PM
Blazedout419: ugh reading bitcoin-assets.com...then browsing all the sites makes me feel stupid
mircea_popescu: and if you nick to imsaguy and up then nick to slash does it devoice ?
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 why ?
[\]: because half of them are shit
Blazedout419: Never traded much before
Blazedout419: I do not even know the terminology
kakobrekla: ok wtf why doesnt it devoice
[\]: Blazedout419: thats why you pay people
mircea_popescu: so you learn.
Blazedout419: No swap
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/
kakobrekla: this is fckd.
mircea_popescu: holy shit this has even odds ?
Blazedout419: .5 - 1 pip spread
[\]: kakobrekla: probably same breakage?
kakobrekla: no
Blazedout419: I shall learn indeed
[\]: oh, then dunno
kakobrekla: except if chanserv is broked
mircea_popescu: !up ozbot
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
[\]: no, chanserv handles fine
kakobrekla: cause when i change nick when voiced, it devoices me
[\]: aww, ozbot is bannished
kakobrekla: which is wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
[\]: oh, because of the protected users?
[\]: channel setting
kakobrekla: channel setting? we are on same channel
[\]: What is failing? the bot not devoicing when you switch nicks?
mircea_popescu: i would if he were here.
[\]: it was secureops
mircea_popescu: secureops is still there innit ?!
[\]: but according to chanserv, its no thre anymore
[\]: not there*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4895 @ 0.00096366 = 4.7171 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so whats the catch
[\]: try /cs set #bitcoin-assets secure off
kakobrekla: its not some chanserv flags ... ?
[\]: help references only op and halfop, but freenode really doesn't have halfop
[\]: so I'm guessing its playing with voice
[\]: voice yourself
benkay: lady v and i are off to the rye, champagne, and discomfort of the budding youth!
[\]: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Voicing kakobrekla for 30 minutes.
benkay: adieu fair folks
[\]: now the rename for the win
[\]: I'd say ask in #freenode, but you're likely to get helped by a bunch of overachievers that doen't know the real answer
[\]: lol
kakobrekla: [\\\] yes it does something on rename
[\]: kakobrekla, I think its assbot doing a /cs devoice
kakobrekla: anyway this is fucked.
kakobrekla: nah
[\]: I don't think its something chanserv is doing on its own
mircea_popescu: lemme try in #trilema.
kakobrekla: !down [\\\]
assbot: kakobrekla, [\\\] is not voiced.
kakobrekla: aha.
[\]: same breakage
kakobrekla: besides that.
kakobrekla: dafuq
[\]: yeah, its assbot
mircea_popescu: * ChanServ gives channel operator status to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: * mircea_popescu gives voice to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: * You are now known as mircea_popescu1
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu1> ha. it didn't devoice me.
mircea_popescu: * You are now known as mircea_popescu
kakobrekla: so its only me
mircea_popescu: it must be assbot.
kakobrekla: no
kakobrekla: its me
mircea_popescu: ah
kakobrekla: dunno how or why but yea
mircea_popescu: bug in client ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59012389 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i suspect something else, but its just a hunch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.588 = 1.176 BTC [-] {2}
[\]: doh
mircea_popescu: !up imsaguy
assbot: Voicing imsaguy for 30 minutes.
[\]: !up "[\\\\\\]"
assbot: Voicing "[\\\\\\]" for 30 minutes.
[\]: !down "[\\\\\\
assbot: [\\\], "[\\\\\\ is not voiced.
[\]: !down "[\\\\\\"
assbot: [\\\], "[\\\\\\" is not voiced.
kakobrekla: [\\\] !up should work now in pvt
kakobrekla: try it
[\]: !down "[\\\\\\]"
assbot: Can't do that, [\\\].
mircea_popescu: !down [\\\]
assbot: mircea_popescu, [\\\] is not voiced.
[\]: lol
mircea_popescu: sheit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [-]
[\]: hold on
mircea_popescu: listen to the sound
mircea_popescu: of silence
kakobrekla: theres a couple of things broken yea
kakobrekla: but at leat mp can yapp
kakobrekla: interfuckin with irc is not really clean.
kakobrekla: !up [\\\]
assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up KRS-1
assbot: Voicing KRS-1 for 30 minutes.
KRS-1: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 2 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes, and 24 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
mircea_popescu: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: hey yo
TestingUnoDosTre: how does this work
mircea_popescu: you id with gribble and pm assbot !up
TestingUnoDosTre: id with gribble - is this a command?
mircea_popescu: same goes to Duffer1 :D
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre you not in the wot ?
TestingUnoDosTre: negatron
Blazedout419: ;;guide
gribble: Error: "guide" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: tsk.
Blazedout419: wha
TestingUnoDosTre: I know I know
Blazedout419: must be OTC only
Blazedout419: ;;turtle
gribble: Error: "turtle" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;google thedrinkingrecord gpg guide
gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>
mircea_popescu: !up xdotcommer
assbot: Voicing xdotcommer for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up joesmoe
assbot: Voicing joesmoe for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: bah
kakobrekla: i will need to rewrite this. tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: is it your client after all ?
kakobrekla: that i dunno and i doubt
kakobrekla: but i found some issues and i will redo the thing.
TestingUnoDosTre: can I PM people to up me if I haven't been upped?
mircea_popescu: yup
TestingUnoDosTre: goooooood goooood
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` and so i pass the torch of upping noobs to you, for i am old and tired
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TestingUnoDosTre: hey woh, no need for harsh language
TestingUnoDosTre: can I register just with a password until I get my key http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00096132 = 12.1126 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: phew, i jumped the hurdles.
mike_c: for the record, i first tried "!up mike_c" and got a cryptic error message from assbot. must do just "!up"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7916 @ 0.00097098 = 7.6863 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2050 @ 0.00097209 = 1.9928 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 335 @ 0.00068998 = 0.2311 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.049 = 0.147 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 331 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2284 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8984 @ 0.00097209 = 8.7333 BTC [+]
artifexd: Hmm... nickserv won't let me change my nick to ┗(°0°)┛
Duffer1: .bait
artifexd: !up ozbot
assbot: Can't do that, artifexd.
Duffer1: !up pankkake
assbot: Voicing pankkake for 30 minutes.
Duffer1: just testing
Duffer1: !down pankkake
Duffer1: mm excellent
fluffypony: artifexd: so change it to to-da-mooooon instead?
artifexd: Eh
artifexd: Doesn't have the same effect
fluffypony: true
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/4QjPw3D.png
fluffypony: well then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0495 = 0.1485 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00564186 = 0.4513 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1320 @ 0.00014513 = 0.1916 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 2142 @ 0.000061 = 0.1307 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 104 @ 0.0016 = 0.1664 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59486385 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 272 @ 0.00068999 = 0.1877 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00579668 = 0.3652 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 716 @ 0.00019989 = 0.1431 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0659997 = 0.264 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0659998 = 0.462 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00097237 = 4.8619 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.04974249 = 0.199 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
jurov: whoa now the chan is also secret?
fluffypony: secret = doesn't show up in /list ?
fluffypony: private = doesn't show up in whois unless you're on the same channel as the user you're whois'ing ?
pankkake: most freenode channels are +s, might be a default
fluffypony: yeah I think so
fluffypony: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/defusedxml
fluffypony: "It's just XML, what could probably go wrong?"
jurov: i only hope there is no such feature in json
fluffypony: no there isn't
fluffypony: JSON is an actual data store, XML can't decide if it's a data store or a language
pankkake: json is safe. beware of its cousin yaml though
Anduck: +s is default, yes
Anduck: why did i have to !up again?
jurov: cuz gribble deauthed you?
Anduck: let's see..
jurov: but assbot is still buggy, too
Anduck: nope, i am authed
Anduck: ye
fluffypony: Anduck: you're automatically devoiced after 30 mins
jurov: bareback testing
Anduck: fluffypony: what's the idea with tht?
fluffypony: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
pankkake: not if you can !up yourself?
fluffypony: ^^
jurov: fluffypony: auther people in the WoT are devoiced too?
pankkake: I think it was just because of assbot testing
jurov: *authed
fluffypony: jurov: I was under that impression, but I may have misunderstood when kakobrekla was explaining it
Anduck: well
Anduck: the whole thing is over-complicated and therefore SUCKS
Anduck: =)
fluffypony: Anduck: -otc would be great if it was +m, because !voiceme only requires auth with gribble
jurov: benka'y missing manul doesn't mention it either
Anduck: what would +m change there?
fluffypony: wouldn't stop scammers from pm'ing
Anduck: indeed
Anduck: and scammers do most of the scamming by pming
fluffypony: yeah I know
Anduck: i see no reason for +m there
fluffypony: shame that one guy that got scammed by Scott Harding lost his PayPal dispute
Anduck: did he?
Anduck: =(
fluffypony: yeah
jurov: they can pm. we can do a cartel agreement to ask them 5BTC fee >:]
fluffypony: heh
pankkake: I'll doo 4.99
fluffypony: and it starts
pankkake: beauty of the free market
jurov: ;;slap pankkake
gribble slaps pankkake with a gone to waste pygmy
jurov: yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten
Anduck: yeah
Anduck: pm me and pay 0.01 btc to me to get voiced here
Anduck: ..for 30mins
Anduck: :)
jurov: *everyone unrates Anduck*
Anduck: haha
pankkake: while scammers PM, at least they won't pollute the channels
Anduck: they never do anyway
pankkake: I'm always annoyed by their poor spelled requests
jurov: we can remember yesterday as bitcoin-assets gentrification day
pankkake: or cult reinforcement day
Anduck: mmh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 665 @ 0.00018001 = 0.1197 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: "as the conference approaches, mp stepped up his repression against dissent"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2190 @ 0.00017981 = 0.3938 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: Bitcoin Bourse Saturday 12.4.2014 - New Shares: Abacus Cloud Hashing "ACH"
pankkake: it's sad…
jurov: altcoin IPO? that's new high i guess
pankkake: eh, I wish I could come to the conference but it's a really bad time for me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00097586 = 11.076 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55266 @ 0.00097538 = 53.9054 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: jurov: I was just looking at that
fluffypony: They give almost no data on the Abacus site
fluffypony: But they've already sold 2 of the shares at 3 BTC each
jurov: where do you see it?
fluffypony: On the locked thread there's a link
jurov: i see, there's 98 on bid side.. but they could have done that on purpose because the bourse does not publish trades
fluffypony: Oh yes
fluffypony: Sorry thought you meant to the site
fluffypony: They could be fudging the numbers
fluffypony: But why not fudge trade data then? At least they'd have a semblance of legitimacy
jurov: http://imgur.com/9AHGlkV this is how it looks inside
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
jurov: absolutely no asks....
fluffypony: Heh - at least that XXXProfit dude seems to consistently be paying dividends
fluffypony: That's a surprising turn of events
fluffypony: jurov: Nobody asks because every announcement thread is locked
fluffypony: It's almost like they don't want discussion
pankkake: yeah. I hope it doesn't give too much confidence to those investors
fluffypony: :-P
jurov: markus definitely does not want discussion
fluffypony: We should just create self-moderated discussion threads for each of the "securities"
fluffypony: That way nobody will be stupid enough to invest without reading the discussion thread
jurov: no need to increase their publicity
jurov: that thing needs to stay obscure and silently die
fluffypony: Lol
pankkake: self-moderated, locked threads = scam. there's no legitimate reason
jurov: on bitcointa.lk the locks don't apply, you can comment there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 461 @ 0.0006 = 0.2766 BTC [-] {4}
fluffypony: Self moderated threads can be useful to keep stuff on topic if it's being trolled, and moderating legitimate concerns just ends up with someone starting an unmoderated discussion thread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 539 @ 0.0006 = 0.3234 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8600 @ 0.00096688 = 8.3152 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 754 @ 0.0006 = 0.4524 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: Sup benkay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 245 @ 0.00056126 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11285 @ 0.00096177 = 10.8536 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up BCB
assbot: Voicing BCB for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up bounce
assbot: Voicing bounce for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up cazalla
assbot: Voicing cazalla for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up bloctoc
assbot: Voicing bloctoc for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up cmyers_
assbot: Voicing cmyers_ for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up danielpbarron
assbot: Voicing danielpbarron for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up deadweasel
assbot: Voicing deadweasel for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up diametric
assbot: Voicing diametric for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up dignork
assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up FabianB_
assbot: Voicing FabianB_ for 30 minutes.
cazalla: ty
mircea_popescu: !up fanquake
assbot: Voicing fanquake for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up joecool
assbot: Voicing joecool for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up keonne
assbot: Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up lampelina
assbot: Voicing lampelina for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up mikaeldice
assbot: Voicing mikaeldice for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up mpexbot
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: !up Naphex
assbot: Voicing Naphex for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up numerisTrade
assbot: Voicing numerisTrade for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up pizzaman1338
assbot: Voicing pizzaman1338 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up punkman
assbot: Voicing punkman for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up Rulother
assbot: Voicing Rulother for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up TomServo
assbot: Voicing TomServo for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up turbo_ac100
assbot: Voicing turbo_ac100 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up wao-ender
assbot: Voicing wao-ender for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up zacm
assbot: Voicing zacm for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ok so dear all i've just highlighted : you understand how to get voice for yourselves ?
mircea_popescu: !up [KS]
assbot: Voicing [KS] for 30 minutes.
Mats_cd03: yes
mircea_popescu: aite jus' making sure
cazalla: yeah, shame MisterE departed because of this change
mircea_popescu: cazalla he got no wot ?
Mats_cd03: the new world order is here
cazalla: doesn't care for it
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 step by step
mircea_popescu: cazalla sucks.
jurov: lol rather document it somewhere and PM everyone the link
jurov: i'd write up but imma run afk, it's weeeekend
mircea_popescu: jurov well also gives ppl the oportunity to rage at me.
Mats_cd03: set it as channel topic?
punkman: I was like "aww I'm not in assbot's WOT", then I noticed assbot rated me :)
mircea_popescu: lol
fluffypony: does every shitty Windows/web IRC client even notify you if you say something in a room that's +m and you're -v ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, teh idea isn't to piss people off in any case.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony perhaps not.
fluffypony: yeah, I bet robcheesewhizz22 thought he was responding to us yesterday :-P
mircea_popescu: truth of the matter is, as kakobrekla said yest, this irc interfacing thing is far from smooth
fluffypony: !down
assbot: Need a nickname, fluffypony.
fluffypony: !down fluffypony
assbot: fluffypony, fluffypony is not voiced.
mircea_popescu: o yeah this works nao ?
mircea_popescu: !up fluffypony
assbot: Can't do that, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: mnop
fluffypony: smooth
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mebbe also voice for mpexbot ?
mircea_popescu: poor kako. what originally seemed like a coupla hour's lark is by now threatening to swallow the entire week
fluffypony: so CloudFlare's Heartbleed challenge was broken by two researchers
mircea_popescu: and they ain't payin; ?
fluffypony: no they are
fluffypony: http://blog.cloudflare.com/the-results-of-the-cloudflare-challenge
ozbot: The Results of the CloudFlare Challenge | CloudFlare Blog
fluffypony: "The first valid submission was received at 4:22:01PST by Software Engineer Fedor Indutny. He sent at least 2.5 million requests over the course of the day. The second was submitted at 5:12:19PST by Ilkka Mattila at NCSC-FI, who sent around a hundred thousand requests over the same period of time."
fluffypony: grabbing privkeys in 100k requests
mircea_popescu: o look, fedor.
mircea_popescu: Anduck why overcomplicated, cause gotta id with gribble and pm assbot ie, two things ?
mircea_popescu: !up KRS-One
assbot: Voicing KRS-One for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up jakov
assbot: Voicing jakov for 30 minutes.
Anduck: mircea_popescu: indeed
jakov: whats this?
Anduck: not many know about gribble, gpg, otc, wot, assbot or anything related to these things
Anduck: still they might know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets
mircea_popescu: jakov http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
mircea_popescu: Anduck that seems like a contradiction in terms.
jakov: ok
cazalla: Anduck: ones excuse, anothers motivation to learn
fluffypony: Anduck: in -otc we're constantly linking people to the beginner's guide, and they learn to register with gribble quickly
mircea_popescu: i like that guy's attitude
mircea_popescu: fluffypony oh, -otc is +m again ?
Anduck: no
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no, not atm
Anduck: it's not +m and planned to not be
mircea_popescu: has it been, since 2012 or so ?
fluffypony: but people come in and get confused about gribble and all that
fluffypony: so the beginners guide is good for them
fluffypony: even if they only use BTC address signing instead of GPG auth
mircea_popescu: Anduck so then that's perfect, people who think they know about bitcoin and bitcoin assets but have no clue about bitcoin or bitcoin assets can spend some quality time in -otc hanging out with gribble and learning the basics of bitcoin and bitcoin assets : gpg, otc, wot, all that stuff.
fluffypony agrees
Anduck: well, whatever really =D
mircea_popescu: jurov: yes, beauty of free markets..everyone who tries to undercut the cartel will get beaten << check out hardass jurov!
mircea_popescu: so yesterday shall be remembered as cult gentrification day ?
mircea_popescu: !up kanzure
assbot: Voicing kanzure for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: o look i forgot mr bishop. yo!
mircea_popescu: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up riX2000
assbot: Voicing riX2000 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up the20year
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up TheSeven
assbot: Voicing TheSeven for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up Troic
assbot: Voicing Troic for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !up thestringpuller
assbot: Voicing thestringpuller for 30 minutes.
TheSeven: ...whatever
mircea_popescu: get in the wot mang.
mircea_popescu: !up virtuals
assbot: Voicing virtuals for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5947 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5948 = 1.7844 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.5948 = 4.7584 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.59735406 = 20.31 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 45 @ 0.00579999 = 0.261 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6 = 1.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0058 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
Anduck: devoicefest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: "We have noticed that you own a domain name relative to ours. We are currently thinking about putting our domain name BlogAboutBitcoin.com for sale. Please let us know if you might be interested in buying this domain name from us."
mircea_popescu: yeah, absolutely, 15 letter domains are something i'd be buying o.o
fluffypony: heh
fluffypony: I keep getting trademark requests from China
kakobrekla: hello kids
kakobrekla: did you steal any candy
fluffypony: "This is Cari Wang from a department of registration service in China. Our registration department formally received an application on Mar. 10, 2014, One company self-styled "Kemod Holding,Ltd." are going to apply to register brand name and domain names as below "
fluffypony: and then they list a website name you registered
fluffypony: and tell you that "Kemod Holding" is going to register all these domains and do you want to stop them
Apocalyptic: mircea, here's the offers I got some days ago
Apocalyptic: Cryptomize.com - $770
Apocalyptic: CoinCarts.com - $1275
Apocalyptic: Coinerfy.com - $1495
Apocalyptic: Coinings.com - $2450
Apocalyptic: totally crappy names
fluffypony: for which they'll charge you the low, low fee of a few thousand $$$
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i can beat that. someone finally read the robwhiz guy's proposal. you will have to look at this thing.
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/1777328/
ozbot: dpaste: #1777328
mircea_popescu: this, i will have to stress, is *still* coldcalling.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60949999 = 3.657 BTC [+] {2}
Apocalyptic: mircea, what does this robwhiz guy do ?
mircea_popescu: apparently, coldcall ?
fluffypony: $12 500 is 50%?
mircea_popescu: anyway, that's just selected derpage, he sent piles more.
Apocalyptic: i got that, but what exactly is he offering in exchange
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that matterwas never actually discussed.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony imagine that!
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: he's offering his notes
fluffypony: for $25 000
fluffypony: wtf.
mircea_popescu: !up dexX7
assbot: Voicing dexX7 for 30 minutes.
dexX7: haha ty :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 33 @ 0.6 = 19.8 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dja know how to get it yourself ?
dexX7: no?
dexX7: !up dexX7
assbot: dexX7, dexX7 is already voiced.
mircea_popescu: http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/11_bitcoin-assets-new-wot-and-voice-model.html
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets new WoT and voice model
dexX7: hey that's nice
mircea_popescu: actually, here's an interesting project : someone traverse the l2 trust from assbot, make a list of who's on it.
mircea_popescu: decent adition to benkay's post.
kakobrekla: !up zacm
assbot: Voicing zacm for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up cazalla
assbot: Voicing cazalla for 30 minutes.
zacm: seems to work :)
mircea_popescu: hey z. wot plox.
zacm: hi mircea_popescu, all
zacm: <jurov> on bitcointa.lk the locks don't apply, you can comment there
zacm: haha, so bitcointa.lk is not just a mirror, but people can respond to threads and it won't necessarily appear on the original thread? haha
mircea_popescu: yup
dexX7: !down dexX7
assbot: Can't do that, dexX7.
mircea_popescu: jeez you can't do anything
dexX7: please unvoice me
kakobrekla: just /hop
kakobrekla: or /part , /join
mircea_popescu: wd.
dexX7: :)
dexX7: i think #bitcoin-markets has something similar but with reddit authentication
kakobrekla: to keep the elite out*?
dexX7: well it's a channel for a subreddit
mircea_popescu: fuck, we're not even the first ever
mircea_popescu: can we still be the biggest ?
dexX7: no, but the most sophisticated
mircea_popescu: i guess ;/
mircea_popescu: i really wanted to be the first biggest
mircea_popescu: like all the cool kids.
dexX7: it's amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
dexX7: ^
mircea_popescu: lol
bounce: does assbot consider ratings, that is do negatives not count?
mircea_popescu: afaik your l2 total must be > 0
fluffypony: !gettrust assbot
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user fluffypony to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=fluffypony&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
fluffypony: oh it's the other way round
mircea_popescu: yup
dexX7: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony
ozbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
dexX7: just flip it
mircea_popescu: ;;rate assbot 1 Nice ass & face bot.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ("face bot" would be, "[enthusiastically] sucks cock" / "is pouting" in Romanian)
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot fluffypony
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask fluffypony!~fluffypon@geartri.be. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony | Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013
fluffypony: there we go
fluffypony: so as long as you have L2 > 0 you're fine for self-upping
mircea_popescu: yep
mircea_popescu: so don't piss off Apocalyptic lol
fluffypony: lol
fluffypony: bounce: negatives don't count for L2, only L1
fluffypony: eg. http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=mircea_popescu&dest=fluffypony
davout: ;;rate assbot 1 one ass to rule them all
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony l1 negatives don't turn l2 into a negative. but l2 negatives do count.
fluffypony: aaaah
mircea_popescu: i mean!
mircea_popescu: l1 negatives don't turn l2 into a negative. but l1 negatives do count.
fluffypony: yep
mircea_popescu: !up bitesak
assbot: Voicing bitesak for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: pity that kid on the forum already splurged his scientology load too. this'd have made such a great op.
pankkake: I'm sure he will be delighted to hear about the cult getting cultier
bounce: 281 names. lemme drop'em in a pastebin
mircea_popescu: a cool! ty!
pankkake: nice, I wouldn't have thought this many
bitesak: thank you, you are quite the inspiration in many areas;
bounce: now for someone to verify the list :-)
mircea_popescu: bitesak you in teh wot ?
bounce: heh, oopsie. lemme do that again.
bounce: 436 even. used the wrong starting point. data iz hard!
mircea_popescu: bounce i was thinking this must be broken because when i wrote the article yest mah ppl had said "just shy of 500"
mircea_popescu: which is why i said "many times the max population of the chan"
bounce: http://pastebin.ca/2694954
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/why-everything-you-think-you-know-about-dns-is-entirely-wrong/
ozbot: Why everything you think you know about DNS is entirely wrong pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu
bounce: yeah needed someone with positive and negative ratings to check filtering them, then forgot to stick assbot back in
mircea_popescu: bounce Sorry, an error has occurred. Reason: That is an invalid ID, or the post has expired.
mircea_popescu: you hax me ? i cut you!
bounce: s/ratings/sent &/
bounce: gah. silly pastebin.ca
bitesak: mircea_popescu: yes, in the wot under bitdragon
bounce: this works here: http://pastebin.ca/2694955
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bitesak
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitesak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitesak | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitesak | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: tsk.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bitesak 1 New blood.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: bitesak you wouldn't be fibbin' ?
mircea_popescu: o o i see
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot bitdragon
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user bitdragon: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=bitdragon | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitdragon | Rated since: Mon Oct 3 16:01:35 2011
bitesak: fibbin'? I try not to.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate bitdragon 1 New blood.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bitdragon has been recorded.
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot theymos
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user theymos: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=theymos | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=theymos | Rated since: Mon Nov 8 13:36:30 2010
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 12 @ 0.14 = 1.68 BTC
mircea_popescu: bitesak you can autovoice bitdragon now.
bitesak: merci
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot gmaxwell
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user gmaxwell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=gmaxwell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gmaxwell | Rated since: Mon Jul 25 13:49:45 2011
mircea_popescu: 1 via 3 connections ? for a .33 avg ? that's a feat.
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot MagicalTux
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user MagicalTux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=MagicalTux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=MagicalTux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
pankkake: ok, that one is a bug in your script :)
mircea_popescu: an even better feat.
bounce: huh, ratefest
bounce: anyhow, blithely assuming assbot only gives positive ratings in the script
mircea_popescu: bounce this is true.
bounce: heh, just about 20 mins of scripting
mircea_popescu: i like how this thing just keeps swallowing more and more of people's time than they had anticipated.
kakobrekla: i know rite
mircea_popescu: this is what good management does!
bitesak: !up bitdragon
assbot: Can't do that, bitesak.
bounce: steal people's time on frivolities?
kakobrekla: bitesak !up youself first on pvt
kakobrekla: then you can up others
mircea_popescu: and you gotta be bitdragon
mircea_popescu: bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of.
bitesak: ok ! thanks again
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> bounce the frivolities that steal your time are the stuff life's made of. << well said
bounce: could make a list of who introduces whom. but, eh, let's not.
mircea_popescu: but why not :D
mircea_popescu: welcome to teh cult turbo_ac100
turbo_ac100: Does assbot autoACK?
turbo_ac100: mircea_popescu: yeah, hi.
turbo_ac100: Oh right. 1 layer is enough for permanent voice o.O
bounce: for layer two, combined score * 30 mins? (yay, overcomplicating)
mircea_popescu: nah, indefinite.
mircea_popescu: you made it, you made it.
mircea_popescu: bounce http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/assbot-level-2-trust/
mircea_popescu: check that shit out. either one or the other of you is wrong.
mircea_popescu: sheeeit this guy scooped me.
mircea_popescu: http://blog.khersonus.com/2014/first-bitcoin-otc-rating/ << i was gonna blog this
ozbot: First bitcoin-otc rating | Khersonus Blog
bounce: you mean he says 438 and I say 436? let's see where the difference lies then
mircea_popescu: i thought he said 432 ?
bounce: er, yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00097 = 22.116 BTC [+]
khersonus: here was my quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jr8W78NH
bounce: he's missing bounce (oi!), checkdavid, danielpbarron, joecool, punkman
mircea_popescu: bounce ahahaha
bounce: which brings up another question, why does diff give me 5 lines difference? o_O?
mircea_popescu: maybe a _
bounce: oh, he's got bitdragon whom got +1 after I posted the list
mircea_popescu: khersonus "the list increase to 495." => the list increases to 495.
bounce: really really quick'n'dirty code: http://pastebin.ca/2694958
khersonus: mircea_popescu: fixed, thanks.
mircea_popescu: saraj will be all "wtf is with all this dirty code coming to my site for a quickie today"
mircea_popescu: in other news,
mircea_popescu: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/10/us/nevada-rancher-rangers-cattle-showdown/
ozbot: Showdown: Nevada rancher, feds face off over grazing rights - CNN.com
mircea_popescu: apparently the well armed militia is about to start a war with the even better armed bureaucracy
bounce: does kick the dog still count if it's a police dog?
mircea_popescu: wonder how long before people start going "o putin is behind this!"
turbo_ac100: bounce: nubbins "le backtick" ` got counted correctly?
mircea_popescu: lmao
turbo_ac100: what is dejson btw?
bounce: a bit of C code that turns json in something vaguely suitable for awkification
bounce: in this case the ouput looks like 12.rater_nick nubbins` (made up data)
turbo_ac100: I use python -json.tools.
turbo_ac100: ehm python -mjson.tools that is
bounce: er, the () isn't part of the output, of course
bounce: it'd be more efficient to output records as the first number changes, but this was faster. a small change in printing would save a loop a bit lower. that sort of thing.
bounce: s/faster/quicker to write/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.6095 = 6.095 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://37.media.tumblr.com/7e7b7c3cc7116db48b6d5fc1aa2ba7f4/tumblr_mzyn5lRZVl1skfvtio1_500.jpg
pankkake: so cute
mircea_popescu: clearly she's having fun
kakobrekla: a, so we have a new potential AA member
kakobrekla: im talking about the blog, to be clear.
mircea_popescu: i think so. khersonus add an about page ? a name, a pic of you in a dilapidated room with half a cloth in the window ?
mircea_popescu: "Markus Persson @notch · 1h I got an invitation to this cool sounding exclusive "important people talk to each other and change the world" thing. I make games. Games." << twasn't me.
pankkake: kakobrekla: already added it :p should show at next update
bounce: http://pastebin.ca/2694974
kakobrekla: pankkake :o
mircea_popescu: wait, pankkake maintains the assimilation ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.601 BTC [-]
pankkake: if it's not updated it's worthless
mircea_popescu: bounce if a name is allowed on the basis of two (multiple) ratings, which do you put in the "by" field ?
mircea_popescu: nm
mircea_popescu: all it takes is READ... dun du-dun dun dun
mircea_popescu: bounce you could encapsulate this as a webservice, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: bounce.com?q=derpy_nick
bounce: way too spendy to get bounce.com
kakobrekla: yes, pankkake came up with AA
bounce: but perchance, yes
mircea_popescu: titsbounce.com ?
mircea_popescu: or i guess boobiesbounce.biz
mircea_popescu: now THAT's a killer domain name
mircea_popescu: BB.B can be stylized into one heckova logo.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate lampelina 1 Kako vouches for her up to over 9000 bitcoinz provided it's to buy shoes and things.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: o no!
bounce: the way I'm doing it now is simply recording all the info and printing it. I suppose that getting the results for a single nick would be better done taking the set union of everyone assbot has rated with everyone the target has received ratings from. that's only two json queries (or a single select given access to the database)
khersonus: mircea_popescu: sorry, was afk. Heh, yeah, need to work on the blog a bit.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.04998999 = 0.4999 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#comment-98993
nubbins`: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mid-30s isn't old if you're a tree
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: i mean, the same thing without ;;later tell
mircea_popescu: im a weed.
nubbins`: is this a trick to get me to smoke you? ;(
mircea_popescu: hahaha
pankkake: mid-30s is old?
pankkake: I feel I only have one year left anyway
ThickAsThieves: "<MisterE> well was nice chatting with you for a time I'm not fucking around with the +m nonsense"
ThickAsThieves: i chatted with him?
ThickAsThieves: maybe he was a socker
ThickAsThieves: " The bill, snarkily named the "Let Me Google That For You Act," sets its sights on the NTIS for charging for technical reports that anyone can Google for free."
dexX7: <bounce> http://pastebin.ca/2694974 + gephi => http://i.imgur.com/xfGIozu.png
Apocalyptic: nice graph
bounce: the bigger the node the bigger the guilt ;-)
dexX7: hehe
bounce: the existence of elites, at least the part where some people are regarded as "better" than others in some sort of fancy or other, is not bad by and of itself. the problems arise (and I'd surmise egalitarians' complaints partly stem from this) when people work on shutting out other people on essentially arbitrary grounds so as to, well, keep the thing exclusive in ways quite disconnected from the original merit
bounce: in other words, elites work better when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in and the same risk of getting thrown out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06599978 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: that's an ideal, not a reality though
Apocalyptic: "when everyone has a comparable shot at getting in" that's hardly true
ThickAsThieves: an elite, by definition, will always have a better position to stay one
ThickAsThieves: though that doesnt have to mean there is no way they can lose it
ThickAsThieves: but for example, ousting kakobrekla would be a tough one
mircea_popescu: bounce pretty nice gb
mircea_popescu: bounce whence the quote ?
dexX7: i quoted the paste
dexX7: it's mine ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00096739 = 11.3185 BTC [-]
nubbins`: !up mius_
assbot: Voicing mius_ for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: o hey. pretty nice dexX7 :X
bounce: the graph thing is dexx7's, yes
mircea_popescu: o look, nano's like teh sun
mircea_popescu: black hole gobbling up the sentient cloud of assets
nubbins`: hey, there's me!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i would guess you qualify as what they call a facilitator.
mircea_popescu: like you know, whores.
nubbins`: heh.
bounce: ITYM pimps?
nubbins`: my wot substantially grew with nano's rating
mircea_popescu: bounce no, i don't international tournament of youn mathematicians pimp. i international tournament of youn mathematicians whore.
bounce: o_O?
mircea_popescu: because a little known twist of the renaissance is that most of the business started by chance meetings in brothels and prostitutes' rooms
nubbins`: well, i *am* a mathematician
mircea_popescu: between gents who were both affluent but otherwise'd have never met.
nubbins`: and mid-30s isn't old if you're a tree...
mircea_popescu: but i'm a weed
mircea_popescu: ;;google seinology "i'm a weed"
gribble: Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 158-The Voice: <http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-158.shtml>; Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 42-The Trip(2): <http://www.seinology.com/scripts/script-42.shtml>; Seinology.com :: Scripts :: 142-The Chicken Roaster: <http://seinology.com/scripts/script-142.shtml>
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/PmB4GvAd
ozbot: Dear Polimedia, In casually researching the Cardano I came across your announ - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: tl;dr: "I am happy to provide the above services at 5% of that cost, i.e. for $25,000 - paid half up-front in BTC (about 54 BTC) and half upon project completion (about 54 BTC)."
mircea_popescu: you too brute ?!
nubbins`: http://therecoveringpolitician.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/knowledge-is-power-41.jpg
ThickAsThieves: I just realized this new Havelock IPO is another "AM" ...
nubbins`: but without dividends
ThickAsThieves: who needs divs when you have an A, AND a M
ThickAsThieves: ActM got their first server up
ThickAsThieves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzgxGaVWlpU&feature=youtu.be
ozbot: IMG 8978 - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: i imagine thats the sound of Ken's hell
mircea_popescu: so the chick made... bacon quiche.
mircea_popescu: da fuck am i gonna do now.
nubbins`: tuck in!
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: belt-loosening is optional, based on portion size ;D
nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd
ozbot: New Product Design The primary benefits that will be shown by my 20-50 p - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: pretty much just chin-wagging
ThickAsThieves: lemme guess, none of his plans solve any of his stated problems
nubbins`: the earlier pastebin at least attempts to enumerate them properly
ThickAsThieves: get the guy to escrow 54btc himself, and 54btc from SNSA
bounce: ok, so, I'm not an expert and so I keep on wondering whether it's me or that guy who's not understanding, but at the same time my brains fall out. wtf is he on about?
ThickAsThieves: then if they use his info he gets both
ThickAsThieves: if not, he loses both
ThickAsThieves: of course he obv does not have 54btc
pankkake: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/news/win-bitcoin-creating-good-baseball-bitbet/2014/04/12
nubbins`: "Well it turns out it could be resolved extremely simply. If the Cardano had any sort of display it could simply display the hash value of what it was about to sign: the user would manually have to click through to approve that particular hash."
nubbins`: y'know, because humans can glance at a hash and tell if it's valid
bounce: he doesn't? he's worked with "$100B" companies!
Apocalyptic: don't you nubbins` ?
Apocalyptic: i thought you were a mathematician
nubbins`: sure, but i'm a m... ah, you get it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60988299 = 1.8296 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: so this lasts longer than 30 minutes?
dexX7: http://www.coindesk.com/wladimir-van-der-laans-top-four-priorities-bitcoin/ << sounds good
punkman: ;;rate assbot AMAZING BOT
gribble: Error: 'AMAZING' is not a valid integer.
punkman: ;;rate assbot 1 AMAZING BOT
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
ThickAsThieves: "Perhaps a more troubling problem for those who manage a large number of wallets through Bitcoin-Qt, the software has an upper limit to the number of private keys it can store. If you generate more keys than the upper limit, the software overwrites older keys to make space."
Apocalyptic: this is plainly misleading
ThickAsThieves: that's true? or?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0651001 = 0.4557 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: some of this sounds good, some sounds scary
pankkake: "Error: 'AMAZING' is not a valid integer." clearly a bug
ThickAsThieves: "In any case, Van der Laan says his job is not to direct the bitcoin project like a dictator."
dexX7: i once reported a gui issue on github and his response was "In any case feel free to make it what you think is better, I'm sick of bikeshedding about these kind of details." >_>"
ThickAsThieves: i guess he's no steve jobs at least
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, I have no knowledge of bitcoin-qt deleting older keys, let alone "to make space"...
Apocalyptic: what nonsense is this
ThickAsThieves: seems absurd
Apocalyptic: i suspect he got confused with the keypool explanation that follows
ThickAsThieves: i know large wallets can get bogged to a crawl, but he's implying there is specificlaly programming to delete keys
punkman: http://surprisecatherine.com/
ozbot: Surprise Catherine
ThickAsThieves: :/
pankkake: !down punkman
assbot: pankkake, punkman is not voiced.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd << spaminator never tires?
punkman: but I am
asciilifeform: how come we don't get unsolicited offers from useful folks, like chinese soldering gurlz willing to work for btc.
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> An ad hominem attack does not make your current design other than totally insecure and snake oil. It does not meet the usage case that was published, and is unfit for any purpose. You and Mr. Popescu can refuse my offer (of course) but the behavior I have seen in channel does not leave me surprised that you have missed your Christmas shipping time by 4 months.
asciilifeform: (that was him, five seconds ago)
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> The offer is not unsolicited - as quoted the cryptome announcement welcomes critiques, which you have now received.
punkman: so he wants more openssl in his cardano or something?
asciilifeform: he started out by wanting... wifi.
bounce: moar heartbleed
punkman: how about a camera?
asciilifeform went for a year of irc without having to learn 'killfile' feature, now has to look it up in a hurry.
asciilifeform: but, what the hell,
asciilifeform: ;;up robwhiz22
gribble: Error: "up" is not a valid command.
punkman: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: ty
robwhiz22: Thank you.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: you have exactly 30 min. - or until someone barfs.
robwhiz22: Yes, I read how this works.
bounce: ThickAsThieves: elites aren't egalitarian, you'll recall. some are more leet than others. :-) the point rather is that if you're an elite shoemaker and son of an elite shoemaker you should be able to get in on traits acquired by exposure to shoemaker, not by dint of birth. even though that birth helped you along.
pankkake: https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=714 :| :| :| :|
bounce: s/shoemaker,/shoemaking,/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00096655 = 15.9964 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: yeah btc crashing, tell your mother to invest to save it!! we wanna be rich again!
pankkake: also, bitcoin is a meme
robwhiz22: I did not intend for nubbins` to publish those two pastebins. I can answer any questions on them.
kakobrekla: i just read the title.
punkman: kakobrekla: why can't pankkake !down me?
kakobrekla: cause i made assumptions
kakobrekla: thats the real cause.
punkman: great
punkman: for me at least
bounce: robwhiz22: you were warned repeatedly that this was expected and required and I'm reasonably sure you gave permission for the receiver to do whatever they liked with the information.
kakobrekla: a fix is coming, later today i think.
robwhiz22: bounce, yes.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if you dislike public mockery, you can still remain a fool - just don't be a public fool.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, as mentioned ad hominem attacks don't improve a design. I can say that usually, companies will have several iterations of completely internal design proposals that htey will consider. I've never heard of a company that wanted to ship products thta would have wanted proposals (even from consultants etc) to be public in this way.
fluffypony: What's that saying about it being better to keep quiet and be thought a fool than open your mouth and confirm everyone's suspicion? Something like that.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: you are the same kind of 'consultant' as the beggars who 'wash' cars at stoplights with dirty rags without permission and demand money
ThickAsThieves: robwhiz22, yknow, if you offered one "free" bit of useful advice, something of value, you'd get more than 54btc worth out of it
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, and you are the same kind of "engineer" as the ones who promise a perpetual motion machine and take investment for it from people they dupe. How does this help the conversatoin?
ThickAsThieves: just guve your shit away if it's usable
ThickAsThieves: then maybe you get a job
robwhiz22: ThickAsThieves, I offered 3 specific ways in which the Cardano fails to meet its mission.
Apocalyptic: robwhiz22, I don't think you did
ThickAsThieves: i think ascii would differ
robwhiz22: ThickAsThieves, new architectures for radically new product categories don't write themselves. It will take me six weeks just to come up with 20-50 pages at a high-level.
ThickAsThieves: gimme a break
robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, did you read the pastebin? It was not cleaned up for a public disclosure but I can answer any questions on it.
ThickAsThieves: who cares about cleaned up
Apocalyptic: the 'public library fake usb host' is laughable
asciilifeform: robwhiz22 is free to build his own 'cardano,' with hookers and blackjack.
bounce: not to be unkind but the amount of words you spent failing to convey your message don't inspire confidence that 20..50 pages will do better
ThickAsThieves: youve been full of shit since you ninjashogunned your way in here, now it's your job to fix it
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, if you have an attacker with physical access you have already lost
mircea_popescu: !up skylytez
assbot: Voicing skylytez for 30 minutes.
robwhiz22: bounce, the audience for that letter was Mircea who I think understands security to a certain level. I am happy to explain any of the points, but it was not a public document.
Apocalyptic: * robwhiz22 rather
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: i spent hours trying to explain exactly this to him.
ThickAsThieves: it's public now, get over it
skylytez: Hi Mircea. I'm just trying to learn what I can from your blog. I'm actually looking for the 29 people
robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, yes. And the snake oil being sold here is that if you have an attacker with physical access, then if you have a Cardano you haven't lost. It's snake oil.
robwhiz22: Apocalyptic, but it's only snake oil in the current design :)
mircea_popescu: dexX7 not bad, perhaps with 4 moved as a 1
robwhiz22: The idea of the Cardano is quite simple. It is described in mircea_popescu's specs: http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-first-product-the-cardano/ -- it says, "Consider the case of visiting a random net cafe or public library. Without Cardano you are in a relatively tough spot : even should you carry your gpg keyring and gpg software on a USB stick, and even should you be able to install gpg software on the respective computer, typing in t
robwhiz22: he keyring passphrase would in all likelihood compromise that key."
fluffypony: Guys if anyone is interested I'm selling my report on why robwhiz22's report is wrong for the low price of $20 000 in BTC up-front. If I get more than 3 buyers I'll include a copy of his report as well.
fluffypony: My report is rather short
bounce: robwhiz22, two can play the argument from authority game. plenty more read it and I don't see anyone agreeing with you. ie you failed to convince.
fluffypony: But I'm sure you'll find it worth the money
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu and asciilifeform are selling hte snake oil that they will fix this. They have taken investment for it. Their solution is totally broken and unfit for this usage case.
ThickAsThieves: i'm selling another 30min of !up to robwhizz for 54btc
mircea_popescu: skylytez heya. they're in the log, two different people have made parsers
fluffypony: lol
mircea_popescu: !topic
mircea_popescu: ;;topic
gribble: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com || http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com
robwhiz22: (bounce, I've received agreements)
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: why not hush and wait for the machine. then collect 10btc (from me) and perhaps more from others, if you can reflash the unit without opening the case, through usb.
skylytez: Thanks MP
mircea_popescu: the more recent pastebin by bounce is instructive, and dex made a graph
bounce: share, please.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform Because the machine is unfit to be manufactured today. Why would I "wait for it" and have this idea totally disappear, instead of being iterated on and working and being something big.
robwhiz22: (by 'this idea' I mean your device.)
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, it was my understanding that you and mircea_popescu have taken investment for it. Why would you use it to manufacture sometihng faulty that does not meet its described usage case? That is fraudulent.
fluffypony: robwhiz22: Then open source your criticisms
fluffypony: Costs to cover manufacturing != costs to cover design
robwhiz22: fluffypony I think they have sufficient investment to cover the design. It's a very low amount due to the category being totally new.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: many if not most of the folks who bought s.nsa shares are likely here. go on and convince them that they are fools...
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, they are not fools. So far you haven't shipped something broken, and have the time and resources to fix things.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, moreover perhaps attention to detail is what caused some of the shipping delays to begin with. This is why I wrote with a proposal to help while things can be helped.
ThickAsThieves: if i recall, the product will be demonstrated next week, no?
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, the issue you brought up about reflashing is one that I wanted to address very briefly in the shorter write-up on the Cardano A. I believe you've found microcontrollers that can't be reflashed from USB.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, it is not a main sourcecoming. I've only summarized things that render the Cardano totally unfit in its present form.
robwhiz22: (for the usage described/sold).
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: so far the only thing you've convinced the people here of is - to add a bozo filter to the channel.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: take a moment to contemplate this.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, like I said if you are convincing people to trust an insecure design that is unfit for the usage case you sell, you are a fraud. Convincing people to trust it is fraudulent.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: Well, to be fair, he's convinced me that I can sell a bullshit report for $25k. That's a learning:)
ThickAsThieves: but he hasnt
robwhiz22: fluffypony, the amount varies. I've taken into consideration the fact that Polimedia is a 'startup' and also not asking for any equity, royalty, etc. It's also trailblazing something radically new.
fluffypony: Oh dude awesome
fluffypony: I'm going to ask for equity as well
fluffypony: And profit share
robwhiz22: fluffypony, the amount isn't totally fixed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly, the bozo filter is a result of trader1333, not this derp or that other one.
fluffypony: And royalties
fluffypony: I'll be rich!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: even so - it is good to have it.
fluffypony: brb emailing Apple
robwhiz22: If investors are here they may read the private proposal and step up to pay for the report and internal design proposal. 15sdNNq9Rk8JM7VENnPvPeoCwTW7ScHHZA
robwhiz22: They will only receive a copy of the proposal if mircea_popescu and asciilifeform decide to share it however. It is important not to get people's expectations up if some feature won't be included in the first iteration, for example.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I don't know, I mean, would he be pushing this hard if he'd never made a sale?
mircea_popescu: in a word, yes.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, I've never made a sale in apublic forum like htis.
bounce would expect such investors to at least want to know whom they're dealing with. got any references, a CV, that sort of thing?
asciilifeform: incidentally, this is not a bad time to point out that 'cardano' and future s.nsa products are meant for adults.
mircea_popescu: think of how hard virgin boys push, and compare to normal people.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, it's an EXTREMELY unusual request from mircea_popescu that business be conducted here.
mircea_popescu: they who evere made a sale have some representation of how hard to push. those who never have however...
mircea_popescu: no clue.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, if you were not interested I would have expected that reply from you to one of my two follow-up emails.
asciilifeform: that is, folks who are willing to take the time to understand the design - or are on speaking terms with a competent engineer, who will - before putting it to use in anger.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, however I believe you are not interested in selling snake oil and would be genuinely interested in creating a product that meets your basic claims about it.
robwhiz22: mircea_popescu, I could be wrong of course.
bounce: so, you're selling snake oil detection services for the low, low price of 54 bitcoin?
robwhiz22: !up robwhiz22
assbot: robwhiz22, robwhiz22 is already voiced.
robwhiz22: can I up myself?
fluffypony: robwhiz22: you're wrong, this is the sekrit channel for snake oil only
robwhiz22: bounce - Did you read my emails?
bounce: ;;gettrust assbot robwhiz22
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user robwhiz22: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=robwhiz22 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=robwhiz22 | Rated since: never
bounce: nope, you can't.
robwhiz22: bounce - that were posted here?
fluffypony buys some oil for his snakes
asciilifeform: here we sell groundhog oil only. 'bitcointalk' for all of your snake oil needs.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: at the rate you're going, you will have to pay folks to 'voice' you.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: don't bother private-messaging me - i'm done.
pankkake: posting a bitcoin address right away is certainly grounds for a !down
mircea_popescu: i'll do it for 1 btc
mircea_popescu: guy's on my ignore, so we have a classical example of disaster of commons : i'm selling him your ears, fellow countrymen
fluffypony: http://i.imgur.com/sFD0P4M.jpg
asciilifeform goes off to catch the falling leaves of sakuras.
fluffypony: Someone sell me oil for my snake
Blazedout419: lol
asciilifeform: parting gift, for the entertainment of the gentlemen,
asciilifeform: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
bounce: such gifts
fluffypony: Awwww asciilifeform
fluffypony: I was about to extort 1 BTC out if him
bounce: another 30 minutes, another chance
asciilifeform: fluffypony: gag him and ask for the coin, then
fluffypony: Another day another dollar
fluffypony: asciilifeform: I'll wait for him to screw up again and hold him for random
fluffypony: random
fluffypony: Ransom
robwhiz22: thank you, asciilifeform.
fluffypony: Funking autocorrect
fluffypony: Wow. Autocorrect can't even curse correctly.
robwhiz22: well, mircea_popescu has said in channel that he put me on ignore (a strange reaction after inviting me in here.) As I presume he and the chief engineer make joint decisions, the only way the investors in s.nsa will have the benefits of the new design, and corrections to the existing design, is if they pay for them as part of supporting their investment. ("Adding value", so they say.)
mircea_popescu: amazing autocorrect
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
fluffypony: robwhiz22: Why not make a competing product? You can talk to Markus about an IPO:-P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61110471 BTC [+]
robwhiz22: fluffypony, as mircea_popescu and asciilifeform have shown by slipping 4 months on their delivery schedule, it is extremely difficult to bring a security product to market. Plus, it's their idea. It really would be better for them to have the proposals for their consideration. I suppose they can also share in here if they want wider feedback.
robwhiz22: fluffypony, for both of those reasons it would not make very much sense for me to take their idea and compete with them. They're just the ones to do it. (Or so I thought.)
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if you'd offered something of value (e.g. quick-turn manufacturing capability) you would have had eager ears.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06510013 = 1.1067 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04977428 = 0.1493 BTC [-] {3}
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I guarantee you that you will see very big value in your resulting market. In additition, no longer selling snake oil- i.e. a product that actually works in the usage cases offered - is its own reward.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0497757 = 0.1493 BTC [+] {3}
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, manufacturing is actually a smaller value-add than design, because someone can always copy your finalized designs.
asciilifeform: this coming from the fellow who demanded a radio transmitter in the unit.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I am also not selling completed designs but rather internal high-level proposals for your consideration.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.036889 = 0.1476 BTC [+]
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, this, coming from someone who isn't sure whether his chips can be reflashed over USB :)
asciilifeform: 'isn't sure'
asciilifeform: now we've stepped up the game to straight lying
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: the beauty of it all is that you - and chinese ipNohe makers - any anybody - can take the design and build whatever they want. and buyers can freely choose between cardano and turdano.
fluffypony: Turdano
fluffypony: In brown
fluffypony: That's my 6th choice
asciilifeform: in brown. with openssl.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: Yes plz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03689949 = 0.1476 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: Shipping Q4 2016
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, if you were "sure" you wouldn't have offered a bounty. The purpose of the bounty is to motivate active, friendly attack.
asciilifeform: the purpose of the bounty is to reveal silicon boobytraps. electron microscope costs more than 10 btc.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, right.
asciilifeform: though i intend to invest in one as soon as i get more floor space.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, there are vectors (social/business/etc) to reflashing over USB that you should think of before considering silicon boobytraps.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I will include an analysis of whether you can rely on your chip design which cannot be reflashed over USB, as part of the first part (the Cardano A full document).
robwhiz22: (This is a shorter document and will remain at a higher level. It is not a low-level security audit.)
asciilifeform: robwhiz22: if your objective is to get us to cough up details of supply chain logistics, go tell the fuhrer that you failed.
robwhiz22: No.
robwhiz22: I don't need any details or any input from you. The process doesn't need to be iterative.
asciilifeform: !down robwhiz22
assbot: Can't do that, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: wat.
robwhiz22: Out of my experience, it does help to receive half up-front and then half when I state the documents are prepared and show their existence and length.
pankkake: !down robwhiz22
pankkake: weird
asciilifeform: ty
kakobrekla: yes yes update cumin
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I didn't ask you for any details.
asciilifeform: robwhiz22> (And won't be asking for some.) I mean, I see that you are concerned whether the chips that you have selected can really be trusted not to be reflashable over USB. This will be addressed briefly in the shorter documen.t
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I don't need to know the details.
asciilifeform: damn the moron won't shut up.
asciilifeform: well, he can talk to the aether.
asciilifeform: the sakura leaves won't catch themselves.
pankkake: robwhiz22: just make a better cardano and let the market decide
asciilifeform would rather feed pigeons than trolls.
fluffypony: I agree with pankkake
fluffypony: We've just gotten to friends for supper
fluffypony: Having a lamb potjie
fluffypony: Sorry robwhiz22, you'll have to buy voice from someone else
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
Anduck: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
Anduck: hehehe
robwhiz22: Thank you, Anduck.
fluffypony: Cheers all
pankkake: ;;rate Anduck -1 whore
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user Anduck has been recorded.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, you have misunderstood me and I do not intend to receive any internal informatoin about your supply chain, designs, or anything else. I would just contribute based on what I have found publicly.
Anduck: behave, robwhiz22
kakobrekla: how much was it
pankkake: lol shit
pankkake: ;;unrate Anduck
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Anduck.
pankkake: I inserted a double bold character but it was stripped by the ircd. silly
Anduck: gribble'ss wise
robwhiz22: Also, ad hominem name-calling (obviously) doesn't improve designs. However, I have had bosses that swear like sailors, so I will let it slide.
ThickAsThieves: !down robwhizz22
assbot: ThickAsThieves, robwhizz22 is not voiced.
ThickAsThieves: !down robwhiz22
assbot: Can't do that, ThickAsThieves.
ThickAsThieves: curses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1609 @ 0.00020067 = 0.3229 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 891 @ 0.00021208 = 0.189 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03689925 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {2}
robwhiz22: So, if someone is an investor in n.nsa they can commission the internal design proposals (and briefer security overview of the current Cardano). They can own the results until/unless N.NSA uses it, and if N.NSA never ships anything, then it won't be a total loss to the investor.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8097 @ 0.00096537 = 7.8166 BTC [+]
robwhiz22: So far they have slipped over 4 months on a delivery schedule, and have a non-functional product for the usage described.
mod6: stfu, and its s.nsa
robwhiz22: OK
kakobrekla: !up cgcardona_
assbot: Voicing cgcardona_ for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: you want smth?
cgcardona_: wondering about the 'last seen' command.
cgcardona_: wanting to see last time MGK- was around
kakobrekla: it works with gribble not assbot
kakobrekla: ;;seen mgk
gribble: mgk was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 10 hours, 44 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <MGK> miner would you like me to send you some bitcoin so you can be cool too?
cgcardona_: ah cool. thnx
cgcardona_: noticed that this deal looks like it was legit https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=557874.20. Wanting to follow up on the 1btc casasius (s)he mentioned having for sale. cc/ MGK (if you happen to see this)
cgcardona_: thnx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.037 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
dexX7: would it be possible to create a gpg targeted firmware for a trezor device?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5182 @ 0.00096336 = 4.9921 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.15514752 BTC to 7`679 shares, 41088 satoshi per share
bounce: cgcardona_: could try ;;later tell mgk <your message here>
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
ozbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i say that's a big deal.
cgcardona_: bounce: thanks. appreciate the help on the syntax.
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: been wondering how that all works. will check that out as well. thx
mircea_popescu: cool.
cgcardona_: btw I finally heard back from the PiperWallet dude after a month. He said he was so slammed w/ orders that he hadn't checked his email and somehow my order got lost (sigh). Refunded me the btc and shipped the device. Should be here any day.
cgcardona_: funny he finally answered the *day after* I talked shit on twitter.
cgcardona_: basically slamming piperwallet and saying I'd never send any more btc their way. The next day I get an email w/ refund and shipped wallet
benkay: modern customer service.
cgcardona_: yea guess so
benkay: ;;calc (1 + 5^.5)/2
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
benkay: ;;calc (1 + 5**.5)/2
gribble: 1.61803398875
benkay: well, math still works.
cgcardona_: I heard the NSA are working on that
cgcardona_: should have it cracked any day now
cgcardona_: (math that is) ^
benkay: the little brother's new girlfriend turns out to be surprisingly difficult to discomfit.
benkay: she also does dishes.
benkay: i think she's a keeper, but we'll see over the long term.
benkay: robwhiz22: i dgaf about this 'improving the cardano' routine.
benkay: the cardano's not meant to address a large market.
Duffer1: too quiet
benkay: shut up
benkay: i was enjoying it.
Duffer1: :P
mircea_popescu: i guess time for moar tits.
nubbins`: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: basically kako worked his butt off for two days to add a hamster wheel to -assets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 10 @ 0.14 = 1.4 BTC
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/IgwgX.jpg
bounce: no wings?
benkay: i was expecting tits.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1668 @ 0.00095902 = 1.5996 BTC [-]
bounce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:GreatTit002.jpg
bounce: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
bounce: homie? HOMIE!?!
Mats_cd03: r u mad cause i implied a racial familiarity
bounce: what's race got to do with it?
Mats_cd03: what do you mean, you people?
nubbins`: bounce, that's a set of great tits
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Insufficient rights, kakobrekla.
Mats_cd03: mp: hamlion? awesome
Mats_cd03: or is that a cat... i can't tell...
benkay: new theory
Mats_cd03: (yes i know lions are cats)
benkay: robwhiz22 is tiberius
Mats_cd03: worst con ever
benkay: guys a pro
robwhiz22: benkay, no, I am not tiberius.
benkay: (if this holds)
benkay: !down robwhiz22
benkay: i like the troll tib, not the scammer tib.
nubbins`: more of a see-saw than a hamster wheel
Mats_cd03: dude needs to practice on marks that dont know shit
benkay: this is probably the best practice the guy's had in his life.
Mats_cd03: you have to be fucking dumb to try to con anybody in here
benkay: i don't think he's actually trying to con anyone.
benkay: it's just troll stuff. occupying attention. getting people goated.
bounce: some people believe they hold up to high standards
Mats_cd03: i think so
benkay: heh.
Mats_cd03: spouting some garbage and business and social vectors as an attack against the cardano?
benkay: someone in the shop complained that i was being obtuse recently.
Mats_cd03: err ^about business
benkay: i said "think, man, think!"
benkay: "i have high standards. don't disappoint me."
benkay: "i can't possibly be explicit with all the things bound up in that."
benkay: it was some ironic comment about web vs ios software deployments.
benkay: layered, complicated.
nubbins`: power speak!
benkay: i can't possibly unpack that shit in a fast moving conversation.
kakobrekla: !up test303030
benkay: i had my power stance on too
Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: yes i know your opinion. since there are multiple vectors it would not be a loss to reveal one of many?
benkay: BALLS FORWARDS
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: so, leaning backwards?
benkay: yeah we don't lean in around here
Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: your btc addr is saved in this log, if the cardano ends up shipping with defects i will transmit 5btc myself
benkay: the only leaning that happens is backwards as my cock gets sucked
nubbins`: https://dancingreview.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/365b92ff1d394e9915162d4e6feb815d_01.jpg
nubbins`: ^ benkay at work
nubbins`: :D
benkay: haha
benkay: yess
benkay: typing upside down
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
benkay: i have a special backwards leaning standing desk
benkay: kbd taped to the bottom
nubbins`: twist: your mouth is open because someone else is power speaking at YOU
kakobrekla: !down test303030
benkay: what a twist!
benkay: ah mr back tic
benkay: you and my sides
nubbins`: that's actually a great pose
nubbins`: look at his feet
benkay: tough shit
nubbins`: nod
benkay: i have a great shaggy dog
kakobrekla: 1up test303030
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
benkay: starts with dancing
benkay: wanted to be a ballerina
kakobrekla: !down test303030
benkay: life intervenes
benkay: still want to be a ballerina
benkay: er
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
benkay: what's the masculine version of that word?
kakobrekla: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Really, kakobrekla?
bounce: ballet dancer?
Mats_cd03: dongerina
benkay: anyways punchline is 'i still like throwing girls around - consensually' with a slow stare around the room
kakobrekla: !down kakobrekla
benkay: baller
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 it's a ratnul
mircea_popescu: seems pretty homoerotic a pose.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
nubbins`: daisy-chain for acrobats
mircea_popescu: anyway, out to enjoy teh weekend. with like, people. and humans.
mircea_popescu: catch you all laters.
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !down test303030
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !down assbott
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.08299776 = 0.166 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
test323232: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Insufficient rights, test323232.
test323232: !down test323232
kakobrekla: !up test323232
assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
bounce: go on then, you dog.
Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: on the off chance that you are not a con man, merely an idiot, consider spending more time reading the details re: the cardano that asciilifeform has provided
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voice for test303030 extended to 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up test323232
assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !down test32
kakobrekla: !down test323232
kakobrekla: !up test323232
assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !down test323232
kakobrekla: !down test303030
kakobrekla: !up kakobrekla
assbot: Really, kakobrekla?
kakobrekla: !up test303030
assbot: Voicing test303030 for 30 minutes.
test323232: aa
test303030: aa
kakobrekla: !up test123123
assbot: Voicing test123123 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up testjuhu
assbot: Voicing testjuhu for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up testjuhu2
assbot: Voicing testjuhu2 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up testjuhu2
assbot: Voicing testjuhu2 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03689999 = 0.1107 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04810053 = 0.1443 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !up test323232
assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
Mats_cd03: robwhiz22: in fact ill match the 10btc previously offered. when the device ships, if you can hack the device or firmware, you will have 20 of the ~50btc you are asking for
kakobrekla: !up test1231
assbot: Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up test323232
assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up test1231
assbot: Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up test1231
assbot: Voicing test1231 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up test1231
assbot: Voice for test1231 extended to 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06521 = 0.3261 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !up test323232
assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !up test323232
assbot: Voice for test323232 extended to 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: !down test323232
kakobrekla: !up test323232
assbot: Voicing test323232 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05018995 = 0.1506 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: Great article
fluffypony: Precisely the reason that ;;getrating still led to scammers succeeding
fluffypony: And why ;;gettrust has superseded it as default (despite being used by all who understood the wot previously)
fluffypony: Speaking of - bitcointalk's trust system is fundamentally broken - it's not a web if you only see one part of it. Are there any tools to express bitcointalk trust as a relationship model as with the wot?
pankkake: what do you mean one part?
pankkake: bitcointalk's trust is mostly useless because of defaulttrust, and the multiple entries allowed might not be a good idea either
pankkake: oh also it separated the "trust list" from the trust relationships…
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61499995 = 1.23 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.62508857 = 4.3756 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: pankkake: That's what I mean
fluffypony: You see an isolated silo if you're viewing someone's trust
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00580011 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: Indeed of seeing a product of relationships
pankkake: right. and no matter what, I kinda end up having DefaultTrust somewhere
fluffypony: Which defeats the purpose of it
pankkake: I suppose you could write a tool to interpret the relationships in another way… since those are public
fluffypony: Because wot doesn't care whether you're someone who just joined or you've been around for 10 years (Karpeles-Bitcoin timeline)
fluffypony: Yes I was thinking of that
fluffypony: But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly
fluffypony: And linked to the wot
pankkake: ;;rated theymos
gribble: You rated user theymos on Tue Apr 1 22:52:27 2014, with a rating of -2, and supplied these additional notes: Runs a forum catering to scammers, donations not used to do what he promised to.
pankkake: anyway there are things that are very easy to fix (colored ignores) that he doesn't fix, so he's voluntarily not caring
fluffypony: Yeah
fluffypony: Frustrating considering his position
benkay: fluffypony: totally understandable, given his position.
benkay: he runs the house of iniquity. why would he bring any light to the situation?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.0058487 = 0.1228 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: http://news.yahoo.com/cherry-tree-space-mystery-baffles-japan-085044593.html
ozbot: 'Cherry tree from space' mystery baffles Japan - Yahoo News
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> But considering the pile Thermosflask is sitting on...he could literally pay for it to be re-engineered from scratch and built properly /// yknow i kinda doubt he's still sitting on most of it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5464 @ 0.00096695 = 5.2834 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;rate mod6 1 monk of the pearl
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.
benkay: ;;rate Duffer1 BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WON'T DROWN
gribble: Error: 'BETTER' is not a valid integer.
benkay: ;;rate Duffer1 1 BETTER DROWNED THAN DUFFERS IF NOT DUFFERS WON'T DROWN
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Duffer1 has been recorded.
benkay: ;;rate davout 1 did not 0day me
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user davout has been recorded.
benkay: ;;rate kakobrekla 2 much asset
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 2.
Duffer1: <3
benkay: ever read those books, Duffer1 ?
Duffer1: i haven't
Duffer1: googling now
benkay: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 savvy with computation
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asciilifeform has been recorded.
benkay: ;;gettrust lampelina
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: never
benkay: c'mon, lampelina you're making us all look bad here
bounce: curious how I can ask for ANY or NEG ratings, but not for POS ratings only
Duffer1: my nick's from .. i want to say shannara series of fantasy books, one of the characters was called an old duffer
benkay: you can ask for ratings?
dexX7: well ;;gettrust is like asking for ratings?
benkay: ;;gettrust dexX7
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user dexX7: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=dexX7 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dexX7 | Rated since: Wed Oct 16 20:01:25 2013
benkay: bounce is being unclear as to whether asking to be rated or asking gribble for the ratings of people.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 576 @ 0.08299776 = 47.8067 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1110 @ 0.00096663 = 1.073 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://gist.github.com/leffuy/750a4291264fa2de03a5 as per http://trilema.com/2013/blogging-is-a-muscle-and-other-observations/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: benkay: seems robwhiz22 provided plenty of lulz no?
bounce: asking b-otc.com for the list of someone's {received,sent} ratings. has a parameter that lets you only show negative ratings or all ratings, but not just the positive ratings
benkay: bounce some api?
benkay: i just sort by rating when i'm curious
fluffypony: scrape the html?
bounce: actually using the json version of same, yes. and yes, it's fairly trivial to do the filtering. just noticed that it does give you ways to filter, only the available criteria are exactly not what I need
benkay: just give me all the data yo
benkay: i'll filter it how i want it kthxbai
benkay: thestringpuller: much lulz
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05049999 = 0.101 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: ;;gettrust assbot magicaltux
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
bounce: one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself.
fluffypony: lol
kakobrekla: ;;rate lampelina 3 she will not run with the money
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user lampelina has been recorded.
benkay: ;;gettrust lampeline
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampeline: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampeline | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampeline | Rated since: never
benkay: ;;gettrust lampelina
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask lampelina!~lampi@unaffiliated/lampelina. Trust relationship from user benkay to user lampelina: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=lampelina | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=lampelina | Rated since: Sat Apr 12 14:40:11 2014
benkay: ;;rate lampelina 1 has not yet run with the money
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user lampelina has been recorded.
benkay: with gpg toolchain req'd for voice, wot should spread nicely.
benkay: ;;gettrust magicaltux
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
benkay: ;;getrating magicaltux
gribble: Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating
benkay: ;;gettrust magicaltux
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
benkay: bounce gotta have positive ratings to self-up
benkay: kakobrekla: confirm ^^ plz?
kakobrekla: m?
kakobrekla: lvl 1 or lvl 2 to assbot must be > 0
kakobrekla: either one >0 will do
benkay: magicaltux cannot in that case self-voice. lvl 1 = 0, lvl 2 = -2.
bounce: your powers of deduction elude you
benkay: it is early
benkay: what ams rong?
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot magicaltux
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
bounce: now bring up that graph
benkay: so?
benkay: he's a -6 at level2.
bounce: yeah. but only the positives count.
benkay: what?
benkay: i'm pretty sure that's what kakobrekla means when he says > 0
kakobrekla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6
bounce: in that case I need to re-do the calculation in the script. oh well.
kakobrekla: -6 should be > 0 or 0 should be > 0
kakobrekla: i dunno how to make it more clear
bounce: dunno where the misunderstanding crept in earlier then. let's fix it.
benkay: haha
benkay: "programming is the art of telling people what you want the computer to do."
kakobrekla: hm
kakobrekla: i think im done with the new code more or less
kakobrekla: gonna switch in a minute, and lets see if it explodes
bounce: people waffle a lot. curiously, khersonus came up with a mostly identical list, making the same error
kakobrekla: it should not give you the right to !down until you re-!up ☟︎
kakobrekla: or something.
bounce: how so?
fluffypony: bed time, cheers
kakobrekla: just the way it works bounce , its a one time thing
kakobrekla: also i could down you until you do so
kakobrekla: i think.
punkman: ;;view 20308
gribble: #20308 Sat Apr 12 15:09:56 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 code @ 0.1 btc (Will code (py,php,js,css,other) for BTC.)
bounce: hypothetically speaking, if assbot rates b with -1, do any ratings of b to c count positively for c?
bounce: as in, how you implemented it.
kakobrekla: that is really depends on wot implementation which i didnt do
kakobrekla: but i think the answer is no?
kakobrekla: perhaps find an example
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust kakobrekla magicaltux
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user magicaltux: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=magicaltux | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=magicaltux | Rated since: Mon Dec 20 13:21:21 2010
kakobrekla: ;;rated magicaltux
gribble: You have not yet rated user magicaltux
bounce: assbot does a ;;gettrust to gribble, or what does it do?
kakobrekla: yes
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot kakobrekla
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla. Trust relationship from user assbot to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 7 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=kakobrekla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla | Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011
kakobrekla: liek dat
thestringpuller: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
bounce: then I get 429 names. time for a new list.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0659994 = 0.264 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
bounce: http://pastebin.ca/2695190 now for figuring out what to put in the "via" list again
kakobrekla: 130 ppl
kakobrekla: how much was it before?
bounce: I count 429, and it was, er, 437 before
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
bounce: magicaltux, fbastage, gigavpx, gmaxwell, komododragon, lucidlepidoptera, mtgox, ne0futur, and topace went out, bitdragon and lampelina got added (due to getting +1 later)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05049999 = 0.2525 BTC [+]
bounce: s/vpx/vps/
joecool: ??
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27433 @ 0.00096416 = 26.4498 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: there ya go benkay , you made the front of bitcoin-assets.com
benkay: *fist pumps*
benkay: micro utility delivered
kakobrekla: :)
kakobrekla: ha, was about to edit the wiki and i see pankkake beat me to it. gj!
pankkake: about wot?
kakobrekla: mhm :)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the btctalk wot is broken discussion was carried when thermos first made it. the conclusion pretty much went like "well it's not really all that broken, in that you can remove him from your trust line. a default population is useful cause derps otherwise wouldn';t even understand wtf it is"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22011 @ 0.00096249 = 21.1854 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: <bounce> one positive, so he'd still get to !up himself. << i don't think so. the total is negative.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate lampelina 1 Kako vouches for her up to over 9000 bitcoinz provided it's to buy shoes and things.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user lampelina has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: !up keonne
assbot: Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: eh wtf
mircea_popescu: I R TAKE THIS AS A PERSONAL INSURT
benkay: personal insert
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla didja break it meanwhile ?
benkay: !up keonne
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
benkay: !down keonne
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
benkay: !up benkay
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
benkay: well this is not quite asspected.
mircea_popescu: amazing asspic
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: for the unrefined palates :
mircea_popescu: ;;google aspic
gribble: Aspic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspic>; The Icky Era of Aspic » Sociological Images - The Society Pages: <http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2009/02/15/the-icky-era-of-aspic/>; Aspic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aspic>
nubbins`: wow
benkay: not to be confused with asdic
jurov: kako revoked wrryone
jurov: *erryone
benkay: ;;google asdic
gribble: ASDIC / Sonar - Technical pages - Fighting the U-boats - uboat.net: <http://uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm>; Sonar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonar>; Asdic - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: <http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/asdic>
mircea_popescu: khersonus to scoop is journo lingo, it denotes the act of someone beating you to the punch. dun how illiterate louts speak, like in "I dun name dis hill D’Andre Mountain!"
mircea_popescu: !protest this inequity
kakobrekla: yes mircea_popescu i fixed it
mircea_popescu: !up keonne
assbot: Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: lies
mircea_popescu: and slander.
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-04-2014#620809 ☝︎
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
khersonus: mircea_popescu: I know, I just found it amusing that you phrased it like that (I'd expect it more from a US southerner)
mircea_popescu: o wait cause he was voiced already ?
mircea_popescu: mno
mircea_popescu: khersonus :p
khersonus: btw, do you use a wordpress plugin for footnotes or something you wrote?
kakobrekla: just !up yourself on pm and all will be ok
kakobrekla: its a one time thing
kakobrekla: then up and down should werk
kakobrekla: so far noone has done that cept me
mircea_popescu: khersonus it's a plugin. wp-footnotes
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/pluginuri-wordpress-utile/ << there's the list of all the plugins i use, linked
ozbot: Pluginuri wordpress utile pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
kakobrekla: btw mircea_popescu your shoes comment made lampelina pissy.
mircea_popescu: imo vely useful.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla aww why!
khersonus: mircea_popescu: I saw that, but it hadn't been updated for quite some time, but if it works for you it'll work for me
kakobrekla: "if he would mention pursues i would slap him when i see him."
mircea_popescu: !up keonne
assbot: Voicing keonne for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: a cool
lampelina: khersonus, you don't need a plugin http://lorelle.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/creating-footnotes-in-wordpress/
mircea_popescu: lampelina whai so violent
lampelina: might work for you too mircea_popescu :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla now i know why i wear a beard.
kakobrekla: lel
khersonus: lampelina: yeah, but that requires more work... I saw that page too though
lampelina: I'm not violent, just trying to help
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: ;;ident
lampelina: more plugins, slower WP
gribble: Nick 'asciilifeform', with hostmask 'asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-246-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net', is identified as user 'asciilifeform', with GPG key id B98228A001ABFFC7, key fingerprint 17215D118B7239507FAFED98B98228A001ABFFC7, and bitcoin address None
khersonus: lampelina: (help appreciated :) )
asciilifeform: ;;rate kakobrekla 3 maker of high-quality spammicide.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user kakobrekla has been recorded.
kakobrekla: thank you, the reward should really go to all spammiciders
mircea_popescu: http://www.mimiboutique.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/cheylas_studded_bag_papaya1-720x720.jpg
kakobrekla: is the nekkid chick behind the bag?
mircea_popescu: that's a carryall
bounce: re list of !up-able nicks, turns out we both got the math wrong. hence new and slightly shorter list and a little more work adding the numbers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 319 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2201 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bounce graphs. it's like... the one thing you'll for sure get someone with.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 314 @ 0.00068999 = 0.2167 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: .bait with purses pls
ozbot: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcfedyMlLh1rhboewo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: i r disappoint ozbot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1095 @ 0.00069255 = 0.7583 BTC [+] {3}
bounce: no gd here. where did I have gd again?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 485 @ 0.00069999 = 0.3395 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: http://24.media.tumblr.com/42d9287b1d61c7cd9017c4b8ca023631/tumblr_n0803lmgg11ssm832o1_500.jpg
nubbins`: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Insufficient rights, nubbins`.
nubbins`: smd
kakobrekla: nubbins` up yourself first
kakobrekla: on pvt
nubbins`: i did hours ago!
nubbins`: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: its a one time thing since i change the sys
nubbins`: aha.
nubbins`: realized as soon as i said
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 332 @ 0.00073499 = 0.244 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00073499 = 0.147 BTC [+]
joecool: nubbins`: what mobile provider you using in nfld atm?
nubbins`: robwhiz22: serendipitously, trilema just published an article that touches on the topics we discussed earlier regarding why i won't rate you
nubbins`: http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
ozbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
nubbins`: joecool: telus
asciilifeform: now he wants a wot rating? the balls!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.000735 = 0.147 BTC [+]
joecool: nubbins`: ah ok, trying to see who has it pretty well covered out there, my carrier (wind) is regional, i usually used rogers prepaid for traveling to montreal and middle of nowhere places
nubbins`: rogers has terrible coverage here
nubbins`: bell and telus share an LTE network, island-wide coverage
nubbins`: rogers works in the cities and along the TCH, and pretty much nowhere else
joecool: the plans just suck for any of the big 3 :(
nubbins`: i renegotiated the last time my contract was up, my plan isn't terrible
nubbins`: public offerings are weak tho
joecool: i use ~30gb/mo in the US on t-mo and at&t, and close to 10gb on wind up here
nubbins`: wow
nubbins`: i might get close to 1gb a few months a year
nubbins`: asciilifeform: just so he can up himself tho, natch ;)
joecool: nubbins`: tbh i'm fine with HSPA coverage so long as i can actually use it, 1gb is pretty easy to go through in a day (well a couple hours)
mircea_popescu: jesus god limited data for your cell ?!
joecool: my at&t plan is ~$35/mo per line for unlimited hspa
mircea_popescu: why even have one ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik, no u.s. carrier will sell unlimited (or even 'unlimited') wireless data for any price a human might pay
joecool: asciilifeform: you are wrong
mircea_popescu: the inanity.
asciilifeform: i certainly hope to be proven wrong
joecool: i have unlimited on at&t and t-mobile, though my at&t plan might be slightly dishonest by some measure
asciilifeform: unlimited or 'unlimited' ?
Anduck: hahaha
joecool: namely i buy a phone sold outside the US market and provision it as a featurephone
jurov: lol what do you do with the phone? i rarely overstep 500M soft monthly limit
Anduck: in finland almost all 3g/4g are unlimited
joecool: asciilifeform: i have used as much as 60gb in a month on at&t without coming subject to a throttle
joecool: jurov: tethering and music streaming (mostly the latter)
joecool: t-mobile offers unlimited for $70 (might be $80 now) plus a bunch of other perks (unlimited text and 2G roaming international is nice)
joecool: but the coverage sucks compared to at&t
joecool: in canada i have a regional carrier called wind for $30/mo they have fake unlimited that throttles after 10gb
joecool: all of the above have no contracts
joecool: well, no term i should say
asciilifeform: where i live, sprint co. used to sell 'unlimited' modems, but go and try to actually use. speeds analogous to traditional landline modems, in practice.
joecool: asciilifeform: with at&t i get ~6mbit/s majority of the time, drops into the 1-2mbit/s range if signal is crappy or its around rush hour
joecool: t-mobile is a wide range of speeds going up into the 30mbit/s or so range when i hit LTE
joecool: i haven't gotten into any zones that are using 15mhz or 20mhz LTE yet, just 10mhz
joecool: wind is a hspa+ network i see ~10mbit/s in practice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 192 @ 0.00587132 = 1.1273 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 122 @ 0.60069569 = 73.2849 BTC [-] {6}
robwhiz22: Hi, this channel flashed. I think it's ridiculous to voice me only if I am spoken to.
kakobrekla: nubbins` suggested a solution to this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
benkay: huehuehue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03499999 = 0.175 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05018656 = 0.2509 BTC [-]
cgcardona_: sweet. i can speak.
kakobrekla: its like health. you take it for granted until you lose it.
benkay: http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html
ozbot: Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider
cgcardona_: totally
kakobrekla: http://xkcd.com/221/
ozbot: xkcd: Random Number
kakobrekla: gotta save resources on mobile devices.
benkay: it was picked randomly!
nubbins`: kakobrekla i suggested a solution to something?!
nubbins`: what sorcery is this
jurov: fluffypony yea thermos gave most of the stash away: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/looking-for-people-to-store-some-of-the-forums-money.82849/page-10#post-1549423
nubbins`: jurov lel +!
nubbins`: +1 even!
jurov: http://bitbet.us/bet/314/bitcointalk-org-treasurer-to-be-scammer-tagged/ i made the bet then
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcointalk.org treasurer to be scammer tagged
jurov: and then they discontinued scammer tags
benkay: ouch.
jurov: interesting coincidence :)
nubbins`: ;D
kakobrekla: is there any word any of these people still have ze money
nubbins`: john k disappeared a few times
nubbins`: haven't really kept up on it
kakobrekla: but he is not on the list
nubbins`: "john"
jurov: that's another john?
nubbins`: can't be
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 68 @ 0.58053655 = 39.4765 BTC [-] {10}
jurov: i guess john as john, all are the saem :DDD
nubbins`: well, i mean, it can be. but john k had 1k btc of the forum's money
jurov: ;;ud john
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=John | "i am soooo confused about what to do about John..he is great..but confusingggg. he constantly makes me sad, angryy, or depressed. its upsetting. is it worth it?
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: John
jurov: lmao
nubbins`: confusinggggggg!
nubbins`: angryyyyy!
asciilifeform: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Insufficient rights, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: !up asciilifeform
assbot: Insufficient rights, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: bah
asciilifeform: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: Let there be spam.
nubbins`: cheap sneakers rolex oakley nike rayban vacations pm me for details
asciilifeform: Spam Like a Pro In 21 Days! (tm)
nubbins`: 0.99btc/min standard long distance rates apply
robwhiz22: thanks, asciilifeform
jurov: Amazing! V I A G R A as Low as BTC 0.033 .
nubbins`: turn your peanut into a banana!
robwhiz22: Let there be no spam.
nubbins`: ;/
benkay: turn your spam into sirloin!
nubbins`: fun fact, spam is a healthy mixture of ham and pork shoulder
nubbins`: just with salt instead of health
robwhiz22: spam is a "healthy" mixture of "ham" and "pork"..."shoulder"
artifexd: asciilifeform: Sprint still sells unlimited (not "unlimited") data and their network continues to get better. It might be worthwhile to recheck Sprint's coverage of your area.
nubbins`: there y'go
nubbins`: i've got about 20 pounds of pork shoulder in my freezer. perfect fat/muscle ratio for making sausages.
nubbins`: terrible for roasts
asciilifeform: artifexd: thanks - i might, if i ever need a field modem again
robwhiz22: !down nubbins`
assbot: Insufficient rights, robwhiz22.
nubbins`: you can't !down the aristocracy!
benkay: down with the aristocracy!
asciilifeform: they're great for work sites with fascist admins
nubbins`: oh fuck
nubbins`: i just remembered
robwhiz22: back later
nubbins`: i ordered a new sausage stuffing horn and it arrived yesterday
nubbins`: thirty fuckin dollars for 20 cents of plastic
artifexd: I use them for my day to day cell phone. Some people have issues. They have been good to me in my area. Of course, so has Comcast.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06521005 = 0.6521 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: $24 alone was "express" shipping, only option available
nubbins`: anyway
nubbins`: rum, music
nubbins`: peace
bounce: 3d printers with food-grade plastics available?
[\]: ooh
[\]: I still have +v
[\]: magic
asciilifeform: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
TestingUnoDosTre: that urban dictionary of John was ridiculous
robwhiz22: I'm back
[\]: oh good
[\]: we were worried
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I asked you - Have you also seen my emails to Polimedia?
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, http://pastebin.com/PmB4GvAd and http://pastebin.com/gJXyvXgd were my two emails
asciilifeform: nubbins (?) posted these earlier.
benkay: yeah good work mr back tick
asciilifeform: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voicing robwhiz22 for 30 minutes.
robwhiz22: thanks
robwhiz22: Yes, I would have expected you to see them when I came in here to follow up (as that was the only reply I received from Mr. Popescu).
robwhiz22: But at any rate if this is the forum where any serious business negotiation goes on, so be it.
jurov: robwhiz22: you failed to mention MITM via evil brain implants or such interference
jurov: it also makes cardano unusable
jurov: oh and what about telekinesis?
robwhiz22: Well, to be fair, I didn't expect it to be posted publicly so I did not clean it up for public disclosure. Since then I've also had to explain the mitigation on point 2.
TestingUnoDosTre: Has anyone here even been notified of a suspicious attempt to login to a google account?
robwhiz22: It was supposed to just be a summaary so, you know, I'm not just claiming to have something.
robwhiz22: TestingUnoDosTre, yes, definitely.
TestingUnoDosTre: I just received my first one, and I had no two-factor login. Very worried that my data was compromised
benkay: any data you have on google anything was compromised long ago, TestingUnoDosTre
robwhiz22: Why don't you check which IP's have accessed it? Google tracks and shows you.
TestingUnoDosTre: their list is extremely short - where is an extensive one?
robwhiz22: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/45938?hl=en
ozbot: Last account activity - Gmail Help
TestingUnoDosTre: so I went here , https://security.google.com/settings/security/activity and there's only like 10 entries. all but one are from today
joecool: !up assbot
assbot: I don't do bots, joecool.
TestingUnoDosTre: "Sign-in events unavailable prior to this date. Other activity below."
asciilifeform: TestingUnoDosTre: have you sinned, used TOR? that'll set it off.
TestingUnoDosTre: unfortunately I haven't lost my Torginity
joecool: hm apparently i have a login from germany on one of my google accts
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, why is tor sinning?
joecool: interesting
TestingUnoDosTre: joecool, can you give me the link?
joecool: TestingUnoDosTre: to the ip it was signed in from?
[\]: anyone not using 2factor when available is stupid.
[\]: #justsayin
TestingUnoDosTre: I know, retardville over here
joecool: yeah i have 2fa on it
asciilifeform: ;;google tor heartbleed
gribble: NSA knew about Heartbleed for two years - Bloomberg — RT USA: <http://rt.com/usa/nsa-knew-heartbleed-hacking-years-004/>; DO NOT USE TOR RIGHT NOW. HEARTBLEED IS AFFECTING ALL ...: <http://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/22k76z/do_not_use_tor_right_now_heartbleed_is_affecting/>; If You Want Privacy or Anonymity or Security, Stay Off the Internet ...: (1 more message)
joecool: i wonder if it's just picking up a t-mobile ip as germany
[\]: TestingUnoDosTre, even if you don't use the app and just get the text message
[\]: joecool, its possible
joecool: nope, it's choopa, that's my VPN
[\]: probably one of their asshole proxies
[\]: oh
kakobrekla: damn
[\]: water
[\]: bridge
[\]: electricity
kakobrekla: 30 mins goes by much faster than i thought originally.
[\]: lol
[\]: 30 minutes goes by in about 30 minutes
asciilifeform: !up TestingUnoDosTre
assbot: Voicing TestingUnoDosTre for 30 minutes.
bounce: o_O? this is IRC, man.
[\]: kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout?
mike_c: kakobrekla: i am +1 for extending that time, because they can always be downed if necessary.
[\]: mike_c: why you gotta be a downer?
mike_c: born that way i suppose
benkay: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Insufficient rights, benkay.
[\]: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Insufficient rights, [\\\].
asciilifeform: gotta up yourself first, i think
bounce points out that encourages yapping more than SingTFU and chipping in only when something to say
benkay: i am the fuck upped.
kakobrekla: yea, what ascii sez
[\]: asciilifeform: I am upped
[\]: lol
kakobrekla: nah
kakobrekla: on pvt
benkay: i did.
kakobrekla: its a new code
[\]: ah, ok
kakobrekla: just do it
joecool: !up [\\\]
assbot: Voicing [\\\] for 30 minutes.
joecool: lawl
kakobrekla: lel.
benkay: !up robwhiz22
assbot: Voice for robwhiz22 extended to 30 minutes.
[\]: uping me in channel has always worked
[\]: in pm it fails
kakobrekla: still ?
[\]: just tried
[\]: I say !up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.0009601 = 7.3928 BTC [-]
[\]: no response
robwhiz22: I have voice now
[\]: !down [\\\]
robwhiz22: FWIW
joecool: works
benkay: wow
robwhiz22: It's probably because \ is an escape in whatever scripting language this bot is hacked together in :) :)
benkay: assbot kicks on downs now?
bounce: ;;echo !down gribble
gribble: !down gribble
benkay: HAW
kakobrekla: if you down yourself benkay :)
kakobrekla: wait whut
asciilifeform: since my original paste on how robwhiz22 tried to persuade me to include heartbleed in cardano has been censored (!), here's a new one, of same: http://pastebin.com/yvhVVs7C
kakobrekla: oh yeah i see what u did there. fuck you and your bots.
[\]: nanotube, disable gribble echo in here please
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I have not given you any recommendations that are low-level enough to match that description.
kakobrekla: ill fix it on my end i guess
joecool: wat you can down other people?
asciilifeform: wifi
kakobrekla: also add optional argument for time in minutes
asciilifeform: we're not idiots.
joecool: !down benkay
assbot: Insufficient rights, joecool.
[\]: !down urmom
benkay: outta my face.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, moreover I always state my reasoning and am not associated with a group - the NSA M.O. is to just silently give directions on what to do.
[\]: !down assbot
assbot: I don't do bots, [\\\].
mike_c: <+kakobrekla> also add optional argument for time in minutes << perfect.
[\]: !up gribble
assbot: I don't do bots, [\\\].
[\]: yes you do you liar
kakobrekla: take it on pm you two
[\]: lol
asciilifeform: whether our helpful friend tried to persuade me out of the goodness of his heart, or on orders from fuhrer, is immaterial.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, nobody cares about your pastebin
asciilifeform: the act might be more convincing without the begging bit
asciilifeform: somebody cared enough to zap it.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, your pastebin was removed?
asciilifeform: aye.
benkay: au contraire, robwhiz22. that pastebin's damning.
pankkake: http://money.cnn.com/2014/04/11/technology/amazon-pay-to-quit/index.html
ozbot: Amazon offers employees $5,000 to quit - Apr. 11, 2014
robwhiz22: You never change "Paste expiration" from the default, Never?
robwhiz22: (I often change it to a day or an hour or whatever)
kakobrekla: which pastebin was removed?
robwhiz22: Couldn't it have just expired?
benkay: this is a distraction from the damning pastebin itself.
asciilifeform: no expire, afaik.
benkay: irrelevant.
bounce: !up moiety
assbot: Voicing moiety for 30 minutes.
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, link me in the bitcoin-assets log (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/) where you included a pastebin that was zapped.
moiety: ty
robwhiz22: This is interesting.
asciilifeform: search the logs
asciilifeform: this is tiring.
benkay: a wild moiety!
benkay: ;;gettrust moiety
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=moiety | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=moiety | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, fine. But I think if you're saying a link was zapped it would make sense to mention it.
moiety: ;; rate assbot 1 rawr
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user assbot has been recorded.
bounce: now for the !up self tekneeq
benkay: moiety if you're idented, you can /query assbot and !up in there
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, for what it's worth I am not associated with any agency - my analysis, and follow-on proposal, is my own. Moreover some parts are high-level and you will have to repeat some of the work you've done if you so choose.
moiety: i'm just catching up, all working fine?
TestingUnoDosTre: if you were a really good amazon employee, wouldn't you just quit for like 2 weeks and then come back?
benkay: no asciilifeform insists on !upping ninjashogun
kakobrekla: lel
mircea_popescu: o look its a moiety
robwhiz22: asciilifeform, I can tell you that for others who have purchased services like this from me they have been extremely pleased with the results. But I can't do weeks of work on spec. (without payment.)
benkay: !down robwhiz22
asciilifeform: afaik any one of you here can re-gag him if he continues to abuse hospitality
benkay: enough of this.
moiety: thanks for assbotting me kakobrekla :P
asciilifeform: there we go
mircea_popescu: <cgcardona_> sweet. i can speak. << wd.
moiety: hi mircea_popescu :) how are you?
moiety: thanks benkay, i has me pm to assbot oot already XD
mircea_popescu: pretty great.
mircea_popescu: <benkay> down with the aristocracy! << don't haet, emulaet
mike_c: downed before he got to explain his "HCI interaction paradigm". that sounded very meta to me. interacting with human-computer interaction.
benkay: what am i doing if not emulating, eh?
benkay: mike_c: i swear to god
moiety: procrastinating?
kakobrekla: sure thing moiety , you deserve it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i swear to god if you up that nimrod one more time ima shoot him on general principle
moiety: glad to hear it mircea_popescu i've been away a wee bit
mike_c: hah. one of the best lines in the movie.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was hoping he'd go into 'tilt' and cough up the truth.
benkay: i hold there's no truth to be had, asciilifeform.
mircea_popescu: <[\\\]> kakobrekla, what if it was an idle timeout? << bad fuckin idea srsly. let people get in the wot
mike_c: occum says he is just your run of the mill beggar.
moiety: cheers kakobrekla :D ... gribble has kittenlasers, can assbot have manul lasers someday?
asciilifeform: i tend to give folks the benefit of the doubt, and imagine that they are clever (if devious) than merely stupid
asciilifeform: (too much obvious stupid in the world as it is)
mircea_popescu: and mike_c : downin' ain't the same thing as just ignoring it.
asciilifeform: <robwhiz22> I see that Mircau is getting defensive - as well he should as he is hocking snake oil at the moment.
mircea_popescu: also. occam!
benkay: mircea_popescu: commons trasher.
benkay: hawking, robwhiz22
mircea_popescu: i hope you won't be spelling my name as mirceau once i'm dead or some shit.
asciilifeform: gotta figure out the filter on me irc widget.
benkay: meer-cow
mircea_popescu: worst thing in the fucking world, derps make you a statue, misspell your name on it
mike_c: occum is occam's little known cousin.
benkay: /ignore, asciilifeform
moiety: "You, are the dude in the chair; I am, merely here"
mircea_popescu: moiety come again ?
moiety: sry random film quote
asciilifeform: 'robwhiz22 added to ignore list.'
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform: thx
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> also add optional argument for time in minutes << no, srsly. bad idea.
mike_c: why? with a reasonable cap?
benkay: yw
bounce: which film?
mircea_popescu: mike_c because the requisite for working power is limited power.
benkay: it's limited by others in the channel.
mircea_popescu: that's a different story. derps thought the us can work like that, too.
mircea_popescu: turns out... it doesn't.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is he a younger cousin that's known or just a cousin that's not so well known ?
mike_c: sorry, to be clear, occum is occam's famous midget cousin.
mircea_popescu feels niggum could end up mixed in there
moiety: http://youtu.be/_O6bWb7oEuE?t=45s sorry took me a while to find it
ozbot: Spudgun job interview - YouTube
moiety: http://youtu.be/_O6bWb7oEuE?t=40s this bit even
ozbot: Spudgun job interview - YouTube
bounce: thanks. probably still should sit down and see that thing
mircea_popescu: check it out, dick had it :
mircea_popescu: "Very difficult. That's very difficult, do you understand? It's difficult because you're selling to a particular group. Fat cats. Big shots. Guys who can afford $200k. And guys who can use a whole fucking suitcase full of cocaine. Basically, Clarence, guys I don't know. And guys you don't know. And more importantly, they don't know you."
mircea_popescu: true romance (tarantino cut) goes on teh videography of -assets
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.0009632 = 21.2867 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: bounce: it's a Danny Boyle film written by Irvine Welsh http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117951/ hope you don't need subtitles XD
kakobrekla: mp sez no so complaint goes to his pm. ty.
moiety: true romance is one of my favourite films. everyone in it is immense
bounce: I know about trainspotting. just haven't actually seen all of it.
moiety: trainspotting is not a favourite of mine, ican't deny its done well though. I much prefer Shallow Grave
kakobrekla: my fav is prolly still dead man.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5779999 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://youtu.be/DxfMbi0aCvM
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00095339 = 4.2426 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
moiety: oh btw coachella is being streamed live over 3 chennels, mashable has the schedule and links if anyone wants it