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Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I see, so not the very sort graham would like to hire
mircea_popescu: well... the sort he claims he wants to hire, but then ends up with perople like altman
mircea_popescu: in all respects the exact opposite (no intelligence, all rulebook)
mircea_popescu: "assbot: Wealth: The Toxic Byproduct | Melting Asphalt " << bwahaha ok.
mircea_popescu: The piece is a thinking man's struggle to understand the value of his profession. By Somers' own reckoning, his accounts are out of balance. He's paid handsomely, but the work is trivial. As he says:
mircea_popescu: Most of what we’re doing, in fact, is putting boxes on a page.... We fill our days with the humdrum upkeep of these boxes: we change the colours; we add a link to let you edit some text; we track how far you scroll down the page.... Web development is more like plumbing than any of us, perched in front of two slick monitors, would care to admit.
mircea_popescu: Somers' anguish is palpable, and his catalogue of self-effacing remarks reads like an apology. He heaps criticism on himself, his job, and his entire profession. "Web start-up companies are like play-companies," he laments. Their products are "cheap, fun, and about as worldchanging as creating a new variation on beer pong."
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, we have "inventors" defined, if anyone's still curious.
mircea_popescu: need to keep importing new turnips because the citizen turnips are too likely to understand harlan ellison ranting in his native tongue.
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment"
http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4050.54501946 BTC. Current weight: 12,517.
mircea_popescu: "Assume you can only pass two things through the window — francs and sacks of grain. Knowing that the Congo is one of the poorest countries on the planet, what strategy will you pursue in order to do the most good for their society?"
mircea_popescu: adlai: this article is more thought-provoking than most drugs out there << no, it's not thought provoking.
mircea_popescu: that article is the exact equivalent of masturbation, intellectually : it contains nothing that can even remotely be considered a thought, while keeping the mind spinning.
mircea_popescu: if you must participate in the empty calorie fest of religion, at least pick something respectable rather than the neo-neo-protestant bullshit made by people that are not even less intelligent than that smith fellow with the "ancient egyptian" tablets at the bottom of his hat
mircea_popescu: i doubt anyone could have imagined in the xixth century that anythign less intelligent than us neoprotestantism could be borne by the world. and yet... they've done it again.
decimation: mircea_popescu: once folks have eliminated all possibility of the supernatural, they gotta worship something, why not the local market?
mircea_popescu: if you're going to live in a house, it's generally a better idea to get a house than cobble together something which, to the best of your abilities, is a house.
mircea_popescu: and if you're going to worship, pick something that's at least as well designed as reality permits
mircea_popescu: but no, this never-ending american exceptionalism, where if they never wash baths don't exist and joe squarejaw invented "humidification", this process whereby you dab parts of yourself with a wet cloth.
mircea_popescu: also known as a whore bath in the rest of the world, except joe squarejaw has never heard of the rest of the world.
decimation: yeah, america has a pretty strong tradition of 'history doesn't matter, the world is getting better, we are an outpost of the future, etc'
mircea_popescu: "You begin to wonder if you should feel guilty taking all this money from the poor Congolese — who are now (you must conclude) even poorer as a result." << because that's what money is, right ? a fetish.
mircea_popescu: if someone sent 10mn btc to the black hole, we'll all be even poorer as a result. because reasons.
mircea_popescu: and velocity of money never happened. and understanding consists of daydreaming, and everyone's the same and random nitwits that never killed a man are now allowed to make moral judgements
decimation: yeah I read it as pure narcissism masquerading as ideas
mircea_popescu: some years ago i went to timisoara, which is a tiny city in eastern europe, and fancies itself important but really it's a sort of romania's pittsburgh.
mircea_popescu: by this logic, seeing how the total value of all assets in that city is probably south of a billion dollars, my leaving constituted a loss of more than half its wealth
mircea_popescu: and i should perhaps feel bad, because whatever, if you have money it's not your money. it's some other dudes'.
mircea_popescu: just like that, they happened to be in the way. because wealth is a sort of rain.
mircea_popescu: let us not get into shape but instead sit on the couch and wax poetic about what men should be doing and what the definition of womanhood is ; let us not have a clue nor try to get a clue, but instead wax poetic on what money is and what other people should be doing with it and what it all means.
mircea_popescu: im so sick of the civilisation of marauding impotence it can scarcely be put into words.
mircea_popescu: "come be fat and stupid just like us, 54965489769474985 people like this"
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment"
http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4051.54501946 BTC. Current weight: 12,510.
mircea_popescu: "Money soon became worthless. We returned to an exchange. For a tin can of tushonka (think Soviet spam), you could have a woman. (It is hard to speak of it, but it is true.) Most of the women who sold themselves were desperate mothers."
mircea_popescu: this actually is true. most of the desperate prostitution is mothers trying to cope.
mircea_popescu: apparently kids crying are annoying in general, but for that month it takes them to die of hunger...
☟︎ cazalla: my experience with it is that there is nothing worse, i hear it even when it is quiet and the kid is asleep, it really gets into your brain
decimation: cazalla: I had the same experience last night, makes you paranoid
cazalla: decimation, that is why i sleep at the other end of the house for the past couple months now
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00060727 = 11.5685 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: i'm going to read logs and then hopefully disconnect all of those errant connections. or just permaban myself! who can ever know with fleanode.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13550 @ 0.00064227 = 8.7028 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: This is more entertaining than anything on TV right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00064565 = 7.7478 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Yeah Apparently Silbert's thing hasn't had withdrawals since August because paperwork
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well... He probably had good intentions until the soldering iron found an uncomfortable place.
OGF: to discuss any assetclass investments :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, either way he goes in the agent pile
mircea_popescu: "Through time, action and change, I hope we can show you guys that we truly want to contribute to this community." lmao
mircea_popescu: ;;google "come with a broken spirit! come with a contrite heart! Come in your rags and sin and dirt!"
kakobrekla: one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input.
mircea_popescu: as clemens aptly points out, aunt polly is a sucker for the "repentant" sinner.
mircea_popescu: decimation: kakobrekla: if your bosnia link is true, it strikes me that the most important thing to have in a 'shtf' situation is alot of people on 'your side': family, friends, etc <<< it's pretty accurate. there's no doubt in my mind the guy has first hand experience (ie, is not an internet poseur)
mircea_popescu: *: adlai wonders how many decades/centuries it'll take for speciation to start between "Homo operandus" and "Homo ignavus" << speciation takes 10s to 100s of ks of years.
mircea_popescu: adlai: fwiw, assuming that the fiat parasite sticks around in some form or other, i'd rather have it operate a single UBI program than dozens of badly-coordinated welfare axes << this is not unlike saying that if computer gaming sticks around, you'd rather it consists of one single game.
mircea_popescu: sure, maybe you'd rather. nobody involved shares this pov : neither the game devs nor the game players.
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: there is a school for that? <<< one of the best features of b-a is its potential for culture shock.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever observed as much of it as since being here.
kakobrekla: cant wait for the bushmans to discover satnet
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> one could argue that just like software, silbert was always broken, just only now encountered problematic input. << Prolly should have tested him on Vax before releaseing him then
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> idk if we believe in good intentions. << Of course not, but it will probably be the myth lesser shitgnomes trot out.
mircea_popescu: Overand: per bitcoin.it wiki, transactions are about 500bytes, running at 7tps, so that';s ~3500 bytes/sec or (humorously) 28,000 bits per second <<< not the right math. a block is at most 1mb and there's supposed to be 6 an hour.
mircea_popescu: decimation: 16 kHz is probably the max that you will get allocated politically << by the time blockchain over shortwave, "politically" strictly means bitcoin-assets anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: other than 'surrender' <<< actually jump into the pool. rather than just sit on the edge and dunk toes alternatively.
mircea_popescu: 2. political asylum to anyone prosecuted by any 5eyes country or their allies for anything that's not petty crime.
mircea_popescu: 3. actually counterfitting bills. all of them. by the barge, not by the suitcase.
mircea_popescu: all the way to dumping into ocean, encased in plastic bubbles.
mircea_popescu: 4. mandatory sex ed for all women. if you're not a vamp by age 16, you're pigfeed.
mircea_popescu: 5. mandatory hacking classes for all men. if you can't hack your way out of fort knox by age 16, you're going to be some vamp's slaveboi.
mircea_popescu: have an explicit goal that half your population must reside abroad under fake identities by 2025.
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mod6: nice write-up on btcf BingoBoingo. thanks!
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ministry of torrents?!
mircea_popescu: "• When the British got tossed out of their American Colonies, they did all they could, using a combination of import preferences and British “soft power,” to bolster the plantation economy of the American South, helping set it up as a sort of anti-United States, and the eventual result was the American Civil War."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18216 @ 0.00062103 = 11.3127 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: what is this thing where faux intellectuals look at the soup of symbols their destructured intellects float aimlessly through as a sort of primal matter to be cast into random shapes ?
mircea_popescu: it only appears as a soup because their head's barely functional.
mircea_popescu: "They took a Slavic, mostly Russian-speaking country and spent billions (that's with a “b”) of dollars corrupting its politics to make the Ukrainians hate the Russians."
mircea_popescu: "And so, to make sure that their efforts to provoke a large-scale, hugely destructive, festering conflict between Britain and Europe fail, Europe would do well to set up an anti-Britain within Britain."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6282 @ 0.00064661 = 4.062 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: this game was played already. on the whole, merkel is actually much better than hillary rodham, and her spies work much better than the whole us, canada, uk and australia doolitle realm combined.
mircea_popescu: which is kind-of why the woman was so appaled when she discovered shit-for-brains niggerdongs was actually spying on her fucking phone. it's roughly the insolence of a poodle biting a bulldog.
ascii_modem: half your population must reside abroad under fake identities << see chuck palahniuk's hilarious 'pygmy', a tale about precisely this
ascii_modem: cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades.
mircea_popescu: "The NSA's strength as they disclose here is not math or science advances that allow them to seemingly magically break strong encryption, but the size and scale of their operations along with their ability to recruit collaborators like Microsoft and subvert standards committees."
BingoBoingo: <ascii_modem> cut-throats from a mythical (but loosely - nk) land are sent to usa. they look young and always masquerade as schoolchildren in the later grades. << I've never really trusted Children
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: makes me think lizard are affiliated with cf. <<< you might also underestimate the retarded generation.
mircea_popescu: every "security" website's on bootstrap. why ? for the same reason they masturbate. "it's there"
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem that one thing making all the dumbass "we're a ceo" "companies" look alike.
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes:oh! and subject of ratpoison, did you evaluate and reject stumpwm at some point? << yes. rejected because heavy.
mircea_popescu: i am ever so grateful that stupidity always and everywhere advertises itself specifically.
mircea_popescu: it's like living in a magical world where all poisonous mushrooms are required by unyielding laws of thermodynamics to be bright orange and glow in the dark.
ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: heavy not merely in the machine footprint sense, but conceptually. i like wm with ridiculously predictable behaviours and minimal state, like kalash
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the only good argument for why it's better to be an intellectual than a labourer. this unique priviledge.
ascii_modem: in not entirely unrelated news, i found that a vacuum cleaner i recently bought runs - i shit thee not - 'qnx'.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the story is linked directly under the line you referenced.
assbot: Meet the 22 Most Important People Behind Bitcoin - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG), Red Hat, Inc. (NYSE:RHT) | Benzinga ... (
http://bit.ly/1wNQFb2 )
mircea_popescu: people you never heard about pushed by writers you never heard about on venues you never heard about. it's all very web2.0 an' sophisticated.
mircea_popescu: how finley ended up "behind bitcoin" is anyone's guess, but hey.
mircea_popescu: these guys are 100 to 1000x as productive as a "normal american", so the stuff they write is not necessarily comprehensible to ordinary mortals.
mircea_popescu: "Strateman is a bitcoin developer, best known for co-founding Intersango and the Python bitcoin implementation." no, actually strateman is best know for being one of the scammers involved in the bitcoinica fraud, and before that for being theidiot that emailed the entire list the emails of the entire list,
mircea_popescu: and yes, he still hangs around -dev and so forth, just like gmaxwell and the rest of the walking dead. because who knows, maybe someone forgets or something.
mircea_popescu: maybe if enough bazingas keep acting like it never happened then it really never happened.
mircea_popescu: "22. Patrick McFarland (@Diablo-D3) McFarland is the creator of DiabloMiner, a Java GPU bitcoin miner that uses the OpenCL framework to quickly perform the hashing computations.
mircea_popescu: In addition, McFarland is a BitcoinTalk forum moderator."
mircea_popescu: the part where he wanted everyone to give him bitcoin so he gets 1mn of them together to build some sort of weirdo powerplant-dc combo and then got insanely butthurt when people kinda laughed omitted.
mircea_popescu: the part where this thing ended up traded with usagi and who knows what else in bitcointalks most outrageous example of retardation, doing all sorts of insane valuations that essentially resulting in his few investors being fleeced about 95% in the first year also omitted.
mircea_popescu: ahh this was a great walk in the past, thanks for asking fluff.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose.
mircea_popescu: that it still constitutes a majority of the cultural festooning of the colonies to this day... well... nobody forces the mt obe stupid.
mircea_popescu: outside of this, there's really nothing wrong with reusing other people's *working* material.
mircea_popescu: decimation: well, certainly one cannot be enemies with usg or usg's agents << everyone in bitcoin is and can.
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Fun: who here traded fx options?
Fun: mainly to get some info about cme fx options :D or find a channel for it
Fun: I have found cme home page for them yet to understand pricing :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22061 @ 0.00063518 = 14.0127 BTC [-]
Fun: so its 0.001465 per lot?
Fun: so 0.001465 is unlikely to be price per lot
BingoBoingo: These are very interesting questions. You may need to wait for someone to wake up.
Fun: np I am reading some help info on that site :D
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Fun: oki time to do some shopping
cazalla: or deleted his account and left it.. or something.. [deleted] anyway
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, at least he consistently builds the expectation that he's eventually going to delete fucking everything so people know to archive his bullshit
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BingoBoingo: lulzy shit from their forum "I was just making the point that engagement with the wider crypto community was of little value to GAW, and here Reddit goes and makes a prime example for me."
Fun: its useless to talk to such people
BingoBoingo: It really is. Reddit sucks, but for different reasons that they think.
Fun: oki time to do more stuff
BingoBoingo: The whole voting/gamification thing really encourages maximum participation from people probably should be participating closer to their potential minimum which is problematic.
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fluffypony: maybe "gowxed" so it combines the best of both scams
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment"
http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 28(Y):72(N) by coin, 46(Y):54(N) by weight. Total bet: 4052.66238705 BTC. Current weight: 12,403.
cazalla: whilst out walking, i got to thinking - as the amount of bitcoin lost to theft decrease, at what point does it become a game of simply killing people who are known to be large holders resulting in no-one knowing the private key as to reduce the supply and increase the value of ones own holding occur?
punkman: cazalla, why not torture them and take their coins?
cazalla: but that's not applicable in every scenario as far as i can tell, an example being someone who is geographically removed from their cold storage
cazalla: all this being hypothetical but i would guess it is easier to snipe someone in public than gain entrace to their fortress
punkman: yeah but you don't get any tangible/immediate benefit
punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up?
cazalla: but you can't know that for sure? if you turn around and strangle him, at least you know with good certainity his coins would never be moved and in a practical sense, are now lost
jurov: same with assassination. you don't know if they haven't shared the keys
punkman: maybe his kid finds the key after 10 years in some old bookcase
cazalla: maybe you strangle the kid for good measure, i don't know
jurov: better kidnap the kid than this
cazalla: i'm not so sure.. if you kidnap satoshi's kid, maybe he pays the ransom but comes for you and yours once he has kid back.. can't know exactly how much he is holding or if he would part with all of them for his son
jurov: and if you kill satoshi nobody goes after you? lol
punkman: cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure.
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cazalla: punkman, what does the hypothetical rich man need to buy bitcoin for? if rich, surely he has them already in this future
punkman: you could do this now, why future?
cazalla: well, goes back to my question regarding killing over theft, not something that is happening now afaik, but in the future?
punkman: cazalla: if your hypothetical killer has economical motives, I don't think it'd ever make sense not to try to steal/ransom.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1400 @ 0.00085071 = 1.191 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: (raspberrypi alternatives and such)
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assbot: /i0n1c I really did have to decrypt my HD flying through CDG in France. I really had nothing to hide, but that's not the point, is it?
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adlai: mp still on vacation, i see - replies to a week's worth of logs, then vanishes by the time i'm awake
adlai: it's this funny thing, the more btc i have, the less i care how much they're worth
cazalla: it's gonna have to go to 0 or 5,000 for my cock to get hard, 250 isn't even foreplay
Vexual: i wonder if linda evangalista still gets 10k a day?
adlai: it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier
kakobrekla: once you ride 32->2 it cant get much worse
Vexual: 1000-300 is worse if you-re worried about dollars
adlai: depends how much you bought in. if you had the same amount of fiat-equivalent through each slide, 32→2 is much more painful
kakobrekla: every 10 dorra slip is about a year of living
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, kinda painful if viewed that way
Vexual: ;;calc 10000*366 nevermind gribbles not here
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mircea_popescu: ther most incredible thing about that fun guy's link is that volume is 0 "?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ?
mircea_popescu: right, louder. i guess not being a total redneck retard helps internet scamming.
mircea_popescu: cazalla why would people with large holdings not have inheritance set up ?
mircea_popescu: not like it's 2011 and we're just figuring this novel bitcoin thing out
cazalla: mircea_popescu, but would the son that inherits them be just as capable as the father who accumulated them?
cazalla: maybe i got a little bit too much oxygen while walking, i unno
mircea_popescu: i didn't think of sons tbh. i guess that's what inheritance means.
mircea_popescu: no, if i go there's going to be a bunch of ninja vamps suddenly very rich.
mircea_popescu: punkman: if Satoshi appears and says hey guys I lost the key to 250k coins, how much would the price go up? << wouldn't have any appreciable short term effect.
mircea_popescu: punkman: cazalla, better yet, kidnap rich guy's kid, make him buy bitcoin to pay ransom. price goes up for sure. <<< this is unavoidable. no ransom of the future will be anything but bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: the logistics of fiat paper make it useless for the purpose.
kakobrekla: yes more ransoms plox to keeps the price ups
cazalla: zomg thestringpuller, it was clearly stated it was a hypothetical!
thestringpuller: Kidnap someone with money, deliver ransom note, "pay in bitcoin or ELSE." You don't even have to have a drop point.
thestringpuller: The mexican's will have a field day when they figure it out.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't decrypt jack if they sat on their head. what the fuck is this, the future or some shit /
kakobrekla: it may have to with the 'check if its real laptop or bombtop' thing
mircea_popescu: decryption does not happen. take it to nsa or whoever the fuck, they're smart righ ?
kakobrekla: she prolly had the option to leave it there
mircea_popescu: i guess my mistake here is to imagine the problems of poor people are relevant / the problems of people.
mircea_popescu: "o gosh jolly, wouldn't you rather take a blowjob instead ?"
mircea_popescu: last time i flew i carried something like 38 encrypted disks.
mircea_popescu: just the disks, too. interestingly enough, nobody cared.
mircea_popescu: also a pile of assorted laptops, batteries, various cards and processors
cazalla: damn, that's a lot of porn
mircea_popescu: i was half expecting the customs say something, but they didn't.
mircea_popescu: but yeah, for the sake of fairness and balance : i dun recall ever having been hassled in any airport for any reason, except guatemala.
mircea_popescu: who are complete idiots and that country is the absolute asshole of the world, you're better off visiting the new delhi old dump.
mircea_popescu: adlai: it's about time for one of those "velocity per utxo" plots to get updated, my guess is that it'll show that "strong hands" give increasingly fewer shits with each dump, while the churn at the bottom only gets frothier <<< guy's been here what, twelve weeks ? already enlightened.
mircea_popescu: "(2) Can you provide evidence that GAW actually mined (a) any blocks, and (b) anything like the number you claimed you were mining?"
adlai is pretty clueless/restless to qualify for that
kakobrekla: 'industry innovator' it sez. damn right. of chumpatronics.
mircea_popescu: you will notice it is only used by people who are pointedly not involved in any sort of industrial matter.
mircea_popescu: it got started by the virtual schmucks of hollywood trying to give themselves some word based weight
mircea_popescu: much like all the shitty studios of the 50s were called like "empire" and "megaultra" etc.
mircea_popescu: then, the porn people picked it up. it was a very tongue in cheek sort of thing, originally, like a mockery of hollywood.
mircea_popescu: but that generation soon got pushed out by the tpg braindamaged set, and what was once irony became cereal.
mircea_popescu: and from there, via warriorforum and the nerve centers of "i failed local college business school" braindamage... it's in every confidence scam on the webs.
mircea_popescu: (tpg = thumbnail preview gallery, at the time an innovation that consisted of putting eight, then six, then four then three pics in a row and filling pages with such rows. each pic ideally linked to the material (more pics of the same set). then that evolved into the skim, where some pics are linked to whatever junk being sold etc.)
adlai: we could replace the term with "commons", to remind the participants that by shitting in the reservoir, they sully their own soup too. eg, "garza is a prominent scammer in the bitcoin commons", "bitcoin is causing a power shift in the pornography commons", etc
adlai: how so? there's a market, and these "industries" each squabble over their potential market
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: iirc, it was designed by a woman. i won't psychiatrize on this point, but let's see what mircea makes of it! << i dun get it, so what if a woman designed it ?
mircea_popescu: adlai this is merely an artefact of your socialistoid perspective.
mircea_popescu: we're not all one, all the same, all on the same plane. we don't interact with the same things.
adlai: hmm i'm not that socialist, i've probably miscommunicated
adlai: wasn't it going to be 20 a few days ago?
mircea_popescu: adlai let me give you an example of what i mean. do you know who was the first person to speak german in israel after the war ?
adlai: ok, how is this relevant?
mircea_popescu: now, look at it. admitting for the sake of thinking that the germans were entertainers, since you're admitting garza is in business
mircea_popescu: how exactly did the nazis sully the soup for dietrich ?
adlai: (sounds like a stretch, too, israel has/d plenty of german- and yiddish-speaking immigrants)
adlai: well there's a huge prejudice against germany the nation and german the language, even among people my age who don't have any family who suffered in the holocaust - but they just inherited the prejudice because it's so pervasive
mircea_popescu: that's not related to the historical fact in question.
adlai is a little lost, also trying to extinguish fires in a running bot
mircea_popescu: Vor der Kaserne, wor dem grossen Tor stand eine Laterne und steht sie noch davor...
adlai: no, i'm just improving its abstractions to accomodate new exchanges' quirks; and i did this a little carelessly, crashing the one bot. so i'm trying to setup methods in the other bot so it updates to the new code cleanly
cazalla: 4am and finally a yawn, night night..
adlai: runs on kraken and bitfinex already, now adding btce
adlai: chinese exchanges are probably next, although i'd like to do repay some technical debt first
mircea_popescu: "For most of America’s history, one of the most righteous anti-white supremacist tactics available was looting."
adlai: at some point it'll be a good idea to make this thing usable to people who don't speak lisp, some sorta local webserver or rpc thingy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: who somehow lives off their tears <<< i do live off their tears.
mircea_popescu: the one thing i enjoy alongside redditard butttears of impotence is glaring bagging officer not comprehending why he has to bag my groceries.
mircea_popescu: undata: everybody in america thinks they were somehow robbed of making it big like everyone else did <<< the necessary byproduct of the entire "hero" thing graham & co promote. "work hard and we'll pay one in a million ten thousand times a salary, maybe you'll be him!"
mircea_popescu: just like slag goes with burning coal for power, buncha idiots thinking they were "robbed of making it big like everyone else" goes with "we don't pay you but maybe you get a promotion"
adlai: make it possible for people to use it without me having to set it up for them myself
mircea_popescu: the irony being that out of the scum in question, no other process can extract any use.
mircea_popescu: if they were merely offered a fair salary for their work they wouldn't take it because "it's not enough to live on". as if "living" is somehow fixed and god ordered that black guy in missouri must live better than black guy in senegal.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00063819 = 1.1487 BTC [+]
adlai: requiring my magic touch is a sort of "job security", but i'd rather get paid to write new code than configure old apps
mircea_popescu: i don't follow the logic of how it would be useful "in general".
adlai: you mean why anybody would want to use scalpl?
mircea_popescu: as opposed to you know, one single person (presumably you).
adlai: not everybody, there are plenty of other places to put money; but it's reached the stage where more people are interested in using this than i'd like to hand-hold through the -entire- setup. (this is a very low number of people, i'm not good at customer support...)
mircea_popescu: on the 0 1 infinity scale i readily see why 1 rather than 0, i just don't grok why infinity rather than one.
adlai: there are also two ways of interpreting this question - "why would other people want to use it", or "why would adlai want more people to use it"
adlai: to maximize the amount of wealth profiting from stabilizing bitcoin
mircea_popescu: the logical approach to that is to increase your bankroll, not to spread among a bunch of idiots.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason capitalism historically flows towards enriching nodes, not elevating the graph.
adlai: who says i'm not doing both at once?
mircea_popescu: i don't per se care what yu do, it's a moral discussion.
adlai: right. if i get a well-capitalized account profiting from this, what's morally wrong with that?
adlai: you could point out that i've fallen short of pure greed by not accepting investment, paying dividends, and retaining some fee as a personal profit
mircea_popescu: nothing at all. (note that i use "moral" properly, not in the bastardized form common among the plethora of would-be stalins without the ballsack.)
mircea_popescu: let's put it in more general terms. you're proposing to lower the bar of what constitutes a qualified investor.
adlai: i'm not proposing to lower it to the ground, scalpl works quite badly on small accounts, and even with the usability changes i'm imagining, it'll be easy to footgun without either my help or some level of understanding on behalf of the shooter
adlai: well, i do think that an oligarchy is better than a monarchy, if that's what the question is
kakobrekla: what is a small account ? 0.1 ? 1? 10? 100 ?
mircea_popescu: (and generally, moral thought proceeds quite strictly : 1) is this a good thing or a bad thing ; 2) how much of it ? there's no overalpping these stages)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla 1 because it's the smallest amount of number.
adlai: kakobrekla: i'd say you want at least 100x the exchange's minimum order size
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: But... the 3d printed gun dude says burn it all down is an ideology... << i agree. it is.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: they go out, same as in usg-sponsored 'colour revolutions', because 'there's action tonight' << quite. which is why it's so lulzy to watch.
mircea_popescu: generally, people tend to hurl as insults/bombs/damage to others what they're most afraid of themselves. there's a very good reason color revolutions exist, and it has nothing to do with ukraine or gaddafi.
mircea_popescu: errything to do with what every senator knows and fears at home.
kakobrekla: i havent used any exchange with api for over a year
adlai: my thinking is along the lines of a society/economy not having all its eggs in one basket. it doesn't have to have one egg per basket, with daily redistributions; a "fit economy still has strong inequality, but it's not skewed all the way to either side of the spectrum
adlai: and if morality is part of the question... deep down, i'm one of those software freedom zealots. not quite to the point of GPLing everything i write, but yes to the point of sharing my work.
mircea_popescu: this has little to do with the software in question mind.
adlai: why not? i've written something useful, i'm trying to make it more useful, and i _believe_ (ie, an opinion more grounded in emotion than evidence) that the right thing to do is share this
adlai: what's missing from answering your original question?
mircea_popescu: i can readily construct a scenario where it harms, if it helps.
adlai: please do, i'm typing up another answer attempt meanwhile
mircea_popescu: okay. suppose currently robot has use cost X, expressed in some translated value of he sophistication/time/etc needed to use it.
mircea_popescu: this increases the pool of users from U to U+x. the average sophistication of x is < than the average of U. in fact it's common even if we won;t rely on it that the peak of x is under the lowest of U.
mircea_popescu: this will increase failures from F to F+y, where y/F > x/U > e/X
adlai: we know nothing about failure rates from outside U, or failure rates of the original users after more have joined
mircea_popescu: in which case at most we can't say whether it's a good or bad idea, and shouldn't bother with it at all ?
adlai: the way scalpl works currently, you can use it badly and lose money, just like with any investment; and that is likely to never change
mircea_popescu: if they didn't mostly lose, they wouldn't be "homicide da union", they'd be the cupcakes and crumpets core.
adlai: the latecomers will likely lose wherever they go, i'm less focused on making it easier for them, more on making it easier for users #3-10
adlai: reaching the end of an argument. quick, say something socialist!
thestringpuller: uh, i believe all people should be given everything equally
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu should donate 10% of the MPOE profits to charity
adlai: mircea_popescu: you may be overestimating the maturity of my project... it's existed outside my head, as running code, for under 9 months; and has only turned profitable during the latter half
thestringpuller: adlai sorry, seems I'd have to dig through some socialist propaganda to say something socialist. its surprisingly hard to come up with something
mircea_popescu: was a funny exercise in "so i shouldn't make emacs easier to use for the people already using it because this will lower the barrier to entry for idiots and ruin the party ? what are you, insane ?"
adlai: emacs is useful for a few things, terrible for most others
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ?
thestringpuller: I think cazalla was waiting for more news, and maybe we all forgot?
adlai: would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami?
adlai: irl coverage is less easy pickings
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard: Hi, I was starting to miss this place << preach it sistar!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just because its old news doesn't mean there still isn't exclusive content to pull from
adlai should check the schedule, make sure he'll be free for the juicy bits
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: OMG MP vacation has been one of the best things to happen to MPOE price... aside from saving OpenBSD. << my lyf ;/
adlai: holy fuck the mop is amazing
thestringpuller: ^- i partially think this is kako's way to condition us to stop using the world amazing
adlai: but some things, like the mop, are truly amazing
mircea_popescu: o look at that, the exchanges quoting under 300 ? lol. k.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo lol gaw thing has its own forum ? what is this, like ognasty redone ? << Pretty much except redone by seasoned rural telecom bezzel turdmeisters. 3 Years experience or some shit. OgNasty down to the fan club.
mircea_popescu: "I learned a valuable lesson here though. Don’t trust .gitignores and gems like Firago for keeping your data safe,"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: Why does my brother pretend he has not the slightest bit of racism in him yet when he moves to the city chooses a Bosnian neighborhood over a black neighborhood? <<< i can see a few reasons right off.
mircea_popescu: such as, the womenz. maybe he ran into a few adolescent bosniac sluts on his recon visit
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo incidentally, qntra ever cover the btcexchange thing ? << In a couple shorter bits. Waiting for another point of lulz inflection to do much more.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5723 @ 0.0006447 = 3.6896 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2110 @ 0.00086513 = 1.8254 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: TomServo: I'm surprised ol' Brucey Bruce isn't parroting the "OMG NK!!1" line. << "Tellingly, the FBI's press release says that the bureau's conclusion is only based "in part" on these clues. This leaves open the possibility that the government has classified evidence that North Korea is behind the attack. The NSA has been trying to eavesdrop on North Korea's government communications since the Korean War, and it's rea
mircea_popescu: sonable to assume that its analysts are in pretty deep. The agency might have intelligence on the planning process for the hack. It might, say, have phone calls discussing the project, weekly PowerPoint status reports, or even Kim Jong Un's sign-off on the plan."
mircea_popescu: just... has to cover his bets, because he might be old but he suspects he'll outlive teh muppet show.
mircea_popescu: i especially loved the "it might have". yeah, and i might have fucked obama in the ass.
mircea_popescu: why not ? maybe he's a gimp slaveboi. he certainly looks it. heck, maybe i put it all on weekly powerpoints.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: kakobrekla: b/c man living as man was meant to << seriously, man was meant to live like that ?! i dunno... < prolly seeing different things in the pic
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: gossip from the glider club: guys in construction (yachts etc) are talking about 5% cogs increases every month for the past 3 << translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he probably even struggles in opposition of bathing as much as the usual dog.
assbot: The hits keep coming. Now /CNN is quoting a parody Twitter account without any kind of fact checking whatsoever.
http://t.co/67dFklxBEL kakobrekla: anyway ill let ascii argue that one out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00064586 = 10.9473 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: so due to this thing called new year there is 57 bets waiting resolution. good luck to the mods. << i'd say they did pretty okay!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: fluffypony: cazalla: Gordhan is a smart man, but they're doing exactly as expected - they're just going to copy what everyone else is doing << your definition of smartness is very tolerant.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: a street criminal can be smart, not the same as being visionary or being clever :)
kakobrekla: but the active bets is kinda low, down to 41 also thanks to my 'genius' mandatory zeroconf
mircea_popescu: "we have a billion bitcoins, can't afford advertising, here's a link you have to c/p"
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: thestringpuller: what if we created a #bitcoin-assets pokerstars home game club and had a way that every account generated was tied to a gribble-authed account, and use it as both a gaming platform as well as a record-keeping ledger for off-blockchain track of wins and losses <<< check it out kakobrekla
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's an idea we were going to develop but didn't actually get started on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14192 @ 0.00062857 = 8.9207 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it's actually a very good idea, and i'd still like to see it done.
kakobrekla: any bitcoin poker site already struggles for existence or is half dead or completely dead. adding another barrier to the mix i do not need to continue this sentence.
kakobrekla: btc right now is pretty much : you are an exchange or dead or dead exchange
mircea_popescu: "rights = just like freedom, except when you might need them or wish to use them. then they're like a cock up your ass."
adlai: random bit of info, some node claiming to be BTCXchange still running: receive version message: /BTCXchange.ro Mapper:0.01/: version 60000, blocks=230000, peer=85.9.53.226:38151
adlai hasn't been following the story closely
Naphex: everything there is still running
adlai: blocks=230000 is a little worrying >_>
Naphex: pings them and stuff and keeps em in a list
Naphex: dosn't sync anything, and is just some fake checkpoint reported. it is only interested in the version message
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "S&P 500 to drop under 1700 before March"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1087/ Odds: 14(Y):86(N) by coin, 16(Y):84(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.31560018 BTC. Current weight: 76,006.
adlai: but thanks for the explanation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10625 @ 0.00065162 = 6.9235 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I know the the responsible for the conference, and his integrity is unquestionable."
mircea_popescu: anyway, who is this "integrity unquesitonable" guy we forget to mention ?
mircea_popescu: generally that point should be made by the man's name, not by idle adulation by (other) anon entities.
mircea_popescu: decimation: I would like to put in a good word for KnC miner. << so it actually works out to them booking a nominal loss because of spot movement ?
mircea_popescu: lol ook, buterin, ver and ... wtf is wrong with gallippi ?
mircea_popescu: go there hang out with like... all the scammers, all the have-beens and all teh posers ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla : maybe ask the man where he did his 6 months' study ?
mircea_popescu: "We think that a Q&A period, moderated by someone you choose, will provide the proper forum for people to make their voices heard. We think that this layout, instead of a speech, is the appropriate forum."
mircea_popescu: what are bitcoin people supposed to be, a sort of ferguson negroes, "hey, nothing will happen because reasons, but here, have this tupperware container to scream in."
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: cazalla: "I helped run plenty of conferences." << no, he has a point. that's exactly how that racket works.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: it's funny how Gavin is all "I want bitcoin to compete with Visa/Mastercard", when anyone in Payment Processing knows those systems are seriously nigga rigged as is. << nobody expects gavin to say something sensible anymore than they'd expect ronald mcdonald to.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00062468 = 13.8054 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9290 @ 0.00062414 = 5.7983 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes: translate the significance of this for the aerodynamically innocent ? << less about the aerodynamic stuff; glider guys are wealthy business owners in yacht/building fabrication (among others businesses) and they're complaining about 5% increase in cost of materials everywhere
BingoBoingo: And yet gasoline is now under $2 a gallon here.
mircea_popescu: decimation: re: costco & amex << I suspect amex gives costco a deal (pays them) to force a large percentage of the upper-crust customer-base to have an amex card in their wallet << pretty much how that racket goes yes.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski: but parents who found out that their kids had been disciplined at school often disciplined the kid again at home << pretty much yes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00062683 = 3.761 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: it may be unfair to tar all work done since satoshi with the power rangers brush. <<< term only came of age last year.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00062312 = 11.6523 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37404 @ 0.00061065 = 22.8408 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.0006014 = 7.0965 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 20:21:11; mircea_popescu: anyway. moe levin. never heard of him.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2015 20:21:44; mircea_popescu: (i mean, prior to becoming bitpay ceo)
adlai is FoaFs with moe, might be introduced at the conference
adlai: if nothing else, it should at least be entertaining to see all the scammers up close, something to tell the metaphorical grandkids
adlai: bitfinex seeking out new lows!
BingoBoingo: adlai> bitfinex seeking out new lows! << Wouldn't be surprised at all of this Bitfinex scouting new lows is them dying.
adlai: btc swaps are at an all time high, even if we go lower afterwards, somebody is bound to get hurt by the inevitable bounces on the way
adlai: ascii_modem: btw lispm still on the block?
joecool: kakobrekla: altgribble doesn't work with assbot?
ascii_modem: asciilifeform wait, so your SO is a black girl ? <<< nein. but from usa. customized though.
ascii_modem: mircea_popescu:asciilifeform: the confucian kingdoms breathe plagiarism like air. <<< "plagiarism", much like "sins of the flesh", is a construction intended to work as a tool for a very peculiar purpose. <<< i spent years working with folks some of whom fit the pattern: 'yes i got phd for washing glassware for advisor, who let me crib, who in turn cribbed from dr xxxxx himself, of the academy of turdiences'
ascii_modem: 'plagiarism' may be a 'sin of the flesh', but plagiarists exist just the same as 'wankers' exist.
ascii_modem: fiat law apparatus is not an authority to be respected, but a military enemy that wants to render you for your body fat and deserves the same respect that dog owes dogcatcher, or jew - the nazi polizei
ascii_modem: if you're an 'open source' whateverthefux, and you give a fuck that your code 'is legal' - just surrender to jail now. save the bother.
☟︎ ascii_modem: punkman: mpeg2 license key <<< afaik -all- extant arm cpu include sub-cores running mystery turds, such as that one.
ascii_modem: i don't comprehend this "have to decrypt disk" bs. <<< again we can apply above principle. everybody complaining about the disk arse search - stop imagining that you have 'rights' and start apprehending the fact that you are being pursued by maniacs who will eventually like to turn you into a lampshade.
joecool: kakobrekla: altgribble isn't in here
joecool: it's in #bitcoin-otc currently handling auth there
ascii_modem: arguments have never stood between any one at all becoming a lampshade.
ben_vulpes: i don't get it either, ascii_modem. who takes drugs into planes in plainly labled "DRUGS" canisters?
cazalla: gee, now i'm dreaming about garza, God help me
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] well done mod6 an ben_vulpes << pshaw i'm entirely tangent; mod6 does all the heavy lifting.
ben_vulpes: i just read cpp and overflow mod6's buffer with bad ideas
ben_vulpes: <ascii_modem> [] lispm on the block , yes << what does this mean?
ascii_modem: i happen to own a lispm. and it is (still) for sale.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00059766 = 12.8796 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: if memory serves, BingoBoingo seemed to think either side could be bullshitting
decimation: ascii_modem: did some reading about the metaobject protocol
decimation: it seems that the main author has gone on to champion 'aspect oriented programming'
adlai: ... as a trivial extension when your language has a MOP
adlai: kinda like championing OO, where appropriate, as a special case of closures, assuming your language supports the latter
decimation: yeah from what I gather, AOP is kind of a dumbed-down MOP
decimation: basically it's just monkey-patching classes with bits of code that can be maintained in one spot
cazalla: adlai: would qntra be interested in coverage of garza @ btcmiami? <<< i wouldn't ask of you to waste your time doing that, it is already established he is a liar and a bad one at that, no point covering a debate of which lies can be wormed out of
decimation: adlai: there seems to be a long history of people coming up with good ideas in lisp, and then spending the rest of their lives trying to get other languages to support small pieces of said idea
cazalla: adlai: if nothing else, it should at least be entertaining to see all the scammers up close, something to tell the metaphorical grandkids <<< if you can remember their name that long but doubt it
adlai: january's lemons have taken the form of btcmiami tickets, flights included. shouldn't be too big a request from the benefactor to spend a few hours snooping around the shillcoin booth/talks
adlai: ok, i'll make sure to plug my ears before entering the conference grounds
adlai: but thanks for the heads up ):
adlai: er that was supposed to be a :)
decimation: such a law is obviously intended to protect criminals (politicians, bureaucrats)
adlai: "Florida law makes an exception for in-person communications when the parties do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the conversation, such as when they are engaged in conversation in a public place where they might reasonably be overheard. If you are operating in Florida, you may record these kinds of in-person conversations without breaking the law." <- pretty sure that covers anything
adlai: that happens at a conference
decimation: adlai: us law has a funny way of being misinterpreted by those to whom it would advantage
decimation: for instance, what do you think "public meeting" means?
adlai: moe levin (conference organizer) has already gone on the public record saying that talks and Q&A sessions will be recorded and recordings subsequently uploaded, further eroding whatever "reasonable expectation of privacy" could be claimed
decimation: that's probably reasonable, but other conversations would not be covered under the same exception
adlai: good thing that the exception covers all conversations where you could be overheard, rather than just "public meetings"
decimation: yes, but my point is that if a policeman is so inclined, he may throw you in jail, charge you, and you get to make these kinds of arguments to a local prosecutor and then maybe a judge
decimation: ben_vulpes: do you fly gliders? that's a neat hobby
decimation: my only problem is that it seems somewhat dangerous