assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08496619 = 0.7647 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: Jonathan Lebed: Stock Manipulator, S.E.C. Nemesis -- and 15 - New York Times
benkay: kid needs to get into btc
benkay: "Greg and Connie were born in New Jersey, but from the moment the Internet struck, they might as well have just arrived from Taiwan. When the Internet landed on them, it redistributed the prestige and authority that goes with a general understanding of the ways of the world away from the grown-ups and to the child. The grown-ups now depended on the child to translate for them. Technology had turned them into a family of immigrants."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0054 = 0.135 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00539998 = 0.1674 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00539998 = 0.7128 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: rg is raging at the world in -otc
nubbins`: he disappeared for a week with a bunch of loans outstanding
nubbins`: and is now scrambling to undo the damage
kakobrekla: he had a vps company listed on mpex benkay
benkay: ah right and sold it to someone else iirc?
kakobrekla: later to get a real job and leaving it up with namworld
benkay: steve jobs is the future
BingoBoingo: Nah, Steve Jobs had Pancreatic cancer, Real Jobs is the last survivor of the Jobs family
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00085711 = 1.4571 BTC [+]
benkay: ah nice, assbot doesn't bash assbot quotes
benkay: that's right we had some luls with that one time
benkay: hey nubbins` would you be a friend and pastebin some logs of the -otc drama for us?
kakobrekla: yes drama give. btcusd is low. drama nao!!
nubbins`: nothing particular lel-worthy, just some guy grasping at straws
benkay: well it might be caselaw nubbins` that's the thing
benkay: in fact i'm pretty sure it's caselaw
benkay: pretty please, nubbins`?
kakobrekla: its Rap Electronic Ghost, not Electronic Rap Ghost
ozbot: [21:05:50] <rg> but i had to pay rent today [21:06:04] <nezZario> The only - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: that's as far back as my client goes
nubbins`: apparently i'm not saving logs
benkay: me neither - gotta fixit.
nubbins`: he was lurking as Guest56803 for the past few days
nubbins`: finally decided to start talking today
kakobrekla: rap electronic ghosts living of xpm atcoins
kakobrekla: [21:20:29] <rg> <HappzzC__: im workin with like 2500 ms latency here
kakobrekla: [21:21:00] <HappzzC__> yeah, youre like a week late snd i depend on the miney
dub__: ;;ud paying the rent
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Paying the Rent
dub__: rg is butthurt his jacked botnets no longer make banque
dub__: ah the log goes into that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34374 @ 0.00085789 = 29.4891 BTC [+]
benkay: eenie meenie money no mo'
nubbins`: also butthurt that i rated him -2
nubbins`: doesn't seem to want to come to terms that this is because i don't trust him
nubbins`: which, after all, is what a web of trust is
nubbins`: it's not a web of people who eventually made good in the end after being publicly embarassed
nubbins`: [21:43:53] <rg> well this is annoying
nubbins`: [21:43:57] <rg> and everyone is being mean to me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0054 = 0.243 BTC [+]
benkay: well that's bloody interesting
benkay: not really writeup worthy, except for participants
benkay: and to work for posterity just oodles of research into this rapeghost character
benkay: nubbins` pastebin from earlier, dub
dub: dude is og but scetchy as fuck
nubbins`: me too, you've likely heard em
benkay: what are your stories, dub?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6703 @ 0.00019 = 1.2736 BTC [+]
dub: I don't hate the guy, no reason to drag old shit into the -assets blogparty
benkay: it's all going to come out eventually.
dub: and he ragequits all the time, the signal-drama ration is about normal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.0054 = 0.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00085864 = 8.0712 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0054 = 0.3294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00085864 = 3.177 BTC [+]
ozbot: Coined Up - The FREE Crypto-Only Currency Exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09 = 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10145 @ 0.00085882 = 8.7127 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04399749 = 0.176 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00517503 = 2.5875 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.044599 = 0.1784 BTC [+]
benkay: oh hey herbijudlestoids good to know you're still alive
B007: no it is his programmed bot on his vps
B007: he is dead since yesterday
benkay: what goes on the ideal crypto-savvy human's personal-security checklist?
B007: o rly? I heard he likes to eat it raw
dub: benkay: like physical skurity? or general bcp
dub: standard cryptotarian carry, ar15 concealed in banjo case
B007: ak-47 + extended mag ftw
chetty: horn-rim glasses and a pocket protector
BingoBoingo: Nah, one doesn't want to appear to be a dorky BTC Jesus. One wants to look like a simple blue collar actual jesus.
benkay: or suits as the case may be.
benkay: probably relatively high-profile from target perspective.
benkay: "oh, dude has btc. let's breach his personal security and get 'em."
benkay: but also it has to be a sustainable, fault-tolerant thing that a person can practice their whole lives.
kakobrekla: basically you need some nut a wrench cant unscrew
benkay: "personal crypto security: basically impossibly hard"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
benkay: i'm thinking best practices for personal backup and recovery strategy for keys and private contracts and such.
dub: BingoBoingo has it really, don't get caught
dub: no amount of kit will protect you from a determined attacker
B007: benkay: all your bitcoins are belong to me
benkay: no i know asciilifeform, it's in quotes for a reason
benkay: okay i have this gpg key
B007: just store your keys encrypted and offline, hope for the best?
benkay: how do i best ensure i have access to it forever?
dub: benkay: one thing I do is delete or hide any wallets im carrying across borders
benkay: encrypted image with all important keys and files?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.0008829 = 0.1324 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: carry some microfiche that looks like a one time pad and you actual keys more discretely, misdirect the attention
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00088299 = 0.2649 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: perhaps find a "collectible" surplus or replica for the purpose
chetty: fillup a lot of storage with random stuff, encrypted with different keys, lose it in the mess
benkay: i'm afraid of becoming an old man and actually losing it in the mess, though.
benkay: more along the lines of list of things to do that will reduce attack surface area
benkay: maximize key durability
benkay: right. they got the backups.
benkay: so the only thing to do is an encrypted drive with a memorized dicelist.
chetty: #1 - don't be a target, #2 - don't be an easy target
benkay: #3 make it hard to parse the possibility space, #4 have rock solid encryption as a last barrier?
benkay: am i retarded or is this problem hard?
benkay: is there a checklist for the professional keyholder i've failed to find?
benkay: it is the sum of my identity 25 years from now
benkay: my whole business is tied up in this thing
benkay: i lose it, i lose everything
benkay: i'm interested in best practices for this sort of scenario.
chetty: in the end a key based id is no different than the various numbers and stuff we use now, how do you protect those?
benkay: what is the going rate per kb?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00085899 = 5.2398 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: thank you, asciilifeform.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3678 @ 0.00055795 = 2.0521 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00085948 = 5.6726 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: Crimerians are happy the Russians are there
benkay: thumbs up or down on revocation certs safely stored offline?
benkay: i guess just another aspect of the problem we all face that we never talk about in public because just talking about it exposes your practices
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0053666 = 0.1073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00085607 = 34.3712 BTC [-] {4}
Jakamoko: looks like mtgox got hacked again
ozbot: [PHP] <?php namespace Money; class Bitcoin { #const BITCOIN_NODE = '173.224.12 - Pastebin.co
ThickAsThieves: "nanashi____ who posted the leaked recording between Mark Karpeles and the Japanese bank also says there is a 20GB MySQL database. An unknown group is trying to decode it and retrieve non-personal information at the moment, and may release a torrent later."
Jakamoko: supposedly they got access to the user's aml documentation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.0053666 = 0.3005 BTC [-]
chetty: Tim Cook has shocked some in the US with an impassioned attack on the single-minded pursuit of profit – and a direct appeal to climate-change deniers not to buy shares in his firm.
benkay: ;;gpg eauth freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
mircea_popescu: in new news : bitcoin scamdation running out of the us
KRS-One: BREAKING NEWS: USD transaction maleability issue. News at 11.
mircea_popescu: maybe this way they'll escape prosecution and everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005602 = 0.112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0054 = 0.135 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: damn, i've been off for a while and it seems the gox drama is keeping on
mircea_popescu: o yeah, this is good drama, gotta keep it for at least a month.
mircea_popescu: it's great, it will encourage anyone who isn't an imbecile to not send his data to aml bs.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is here to kill aml anyway. why prolong its agony.
joecool: oh god i was missing this kind of scamming
mircea_popescu: anyway. for the record : people quitting Bitcoin Foundation now are going to be getting exactly zero credit for it.
mircea_popescu: they should have quit when i said it's a scam, not wait till after i killed their piggybank.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 171 @ 0.00540363 = 0.924 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.0051002 = 0.2805 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00506247 = 0.1468 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: benkay well yes, the icelanders are under insane capital controls. what's the surprise here ?
benkay: and yet the aurora coin people are nominally going to give coins to icelandic folk?
benkay: the surprise is that people buy this particular scam.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with welfare : this sort of idiot should be on a starvation diet
mircea_popescu: that way you ensure any resources they have are judiciously expended.
mircea_popescu: if they have as much as one cent extra over what the bare minimum their sustenance requires,
mircea_popescu: they'll spend it to buy britney spears records and aurora coins
mircea_popescu: this is a serious problem, because one cent from one billion scum results in enough piled up money for shit like spears and aurora coin to pretenbd like they matter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5831 @ 0.00085548 = 4.9883 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00572531 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {5}
vexuall: Can I get a link to pankkakes mpex charting?
azi`: gah I hope the guys at gox didn't store the passwords in playintex
vexuall: Mark, ll keep running it from fraudblock on analdroid like nothings wrong
azi`: have u guys seen that someone stole personal data from gox just recently?
benkay: azi` you could check the logs
benkay: they're linked in the message of the day.
benkay: sorry nobody's around to tell you your news is stale on cue
vexuall: Ben10 can you point me to pankakke, s sexiness?
benkay: i think ihop's over thattaway baby doll
benkay: yo be a luv and hit us with some baile funk
benkay: sounds like stupid old person music
benkay: hey and what happened to your nick
benkay: you know vex you can get in the wot with just a btc wallet
vexuall: I dont have a notebook right now
benkay: yeah well how the fuck am i supposed to rate you if you're not even in the wot?!
vexuall: Who gives a fuck what I think?
benkay: give it three years you might talk mp into flying you out to dj the next secret bitcoinspiracy con
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, "The only reason TradeFortress wasn't similarly has to do with cash" // I believe the foundation vouched for him in the sense they published some logo or whatever advertising for inputs.io
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08491521 = 0.1698 BTC [+]
vexuall: Apo: proof of hack was invented long ago
vexuall: 2 year gox exploit? Bullshit
vexuall: Good luck buying a corner to piss in dux
ozbot: Bitstamp email list used to spread Mt.Gox malware : Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8950 @ 0.0002 = 1.79 BTC [+]
dexX7_: this is probably teh end of bitcoin :(
vexuall: Such that an irc handle wont save you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1900 @ 0.00020721 = 0.3937 BTC [+] {2}
vexuall: Some dude said how the internet routs around fucktardery wnd cesorship
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3545 @ 0.00020999 = 0.7444 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08495399 = 0.7646 BTC [+] {3}
HeySteve: vexuall, yeah but he said it about usenet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08497585 = 0.3399 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59988999 = 1.1998 BTC [+]
vexuall: Not to be confused with atc. Altcoin
gribble: Error: "ug" is not a valid command.
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1582 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8253% in 10d 13h 23m 22s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.08000553 = 3.0402 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02134426 = 0.1067 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0802 = 0.401 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: <dexX7_> this is probably teh end of bitcoin :( <<<<< what again???
dexX7_: it's different this time!
vexuall: Warm yor cake hole corn hole sppooon fed fuckstick face by the fire
wao-ender: any reccomendation on some bitcoin related-art?
cazalla: people buy bitcoin related art?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08000001 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08000001 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00085672 = 8.5244 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0760015 = 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07600002 = 0.532 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3832 @ 0.00021 = 0.8047 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00085679 = 14.5226 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.005377 = 0.4839 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: yes the post is errored in that TF was a Silver Member of the BTCFundnation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00536625 = 0.2147 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: you can still see the Silver Member logo on his site today if you click thru www.inputs.io
nubbins`: wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005366 = 0.1502 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00516003 = 0.1135 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.044499 = 0.267 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0446 = 2.23 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel /// I'm skeptical
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0447 = 0.4917 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "some random guy" isn't exactly a reliable source for news, hey
nubbins`: HeySteve, your site's layout is broken
ThickAsThieves: "As a result of one’s legitimate desire not to pay for a job failing to comply with the original agreement"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4021 @ 0.00021049 = 0.8464 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.0002105 = 0.1684 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished?
ThickAsThieves: so far this tells the story of every single web dev project ever
ThickAsThieves: "Mark Karpeles blatantly lied so as to hide an inexcusable fact: no development work had been done. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00085665 = 1.8846 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00515102 = 0.3297 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07999283 = 0.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07999323 = 0.7999 BTC [+] {2}
HeySteve: nubbins, what's up with the layout?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.13311598 = 0.9318 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "It's not a currency," he said. "I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't around in the next 10-20 years." "It's being priced off the dollar," Buffett added. "It is not a durable means of exchange."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085679 = 0.6854 BTC [+]
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished? <<< The US Gov?
nubbins`: big ol' whitespace breaks going down the page
nubbins`: oh, actually, it's fine now. must've not loaded properly before.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28173 @ 0.0008568 = 24.1386 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0905 = 0.181 BTC [-]
Neil: I pointed out the >>= bug about 1 year ago. I got laughed at on the forums.
Neil: It's undefined behaviour to shift by an amount greater than or equal to the bitwidth of the type in C and C++. No such care was taken in the bitcoind codebase.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.080125 = 1.282 BTC [+] {3}
Neil: The laughing was something like "Yeah we'll all care about that in 2200" which is fair enough; no way will the bug last that long. And you won't care before then.
Neil: But a bug it is; the code wouldn't pass muster in GCC which I used to maintain.
Neil: The problem is most coders don't know the language they're writing, nor do they care. Hence the crap we deal with. We need more Dan Bernsteins and Matt Dillons.
Neil: (though DJBs language conformance was pretty shit too)
Neil: Lemme find the link
ozbot: So, what happens when bitcoins stop being produced?
Neil: Yeah so I'm zebedee on the fora
ThickAsThieves: "I can't think of any computer program that was running 130 years ago that is still running today." ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.091 = 0.182 BTC [+]
nubbins`: half that sentence isn't necessary
Neil: ThickAsThieves: The problem is, these are always signs that the dude that wrote it doesn't really know what they're doing. Hence why we're all running code with remote exploits.
nubbins`: actually, you could remove everything past the first three words
Neil: NSA doesn't have to try too hard.
Neil: When I release my bitcoin implementation, it may suck in many ways, but it won't have things like that in it.
nubbins`: twist: nsa foresaw digital currency and created bitcoin codebase so that a flawed implementation would ruin people on the idea
Neil: I guess I can celebrate understanding sthg mircea doesn't / didn't 24 hrs ago. There is no problem with the compilers; whatever they do is good; it's all in the language spec and doing something with no defined semantics.
ThickAsThieves: indeed, it also reminds me of the quantum mining guys somehow arguing that soliciting investors to create it would make them rich in bitcoins, while out the other side of their mouth saying that quantum invulnerable wallets can be made afterward
ThickAsThieves: also they'd open source the miners after they mined "enough"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00085612 = 38.611 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: this is of course why ethereum can't be taken seriously, etc
Neil: Huh? They were claiming they'd be rich exploiting something whose value would go to zero being exploited? They'd have to be quick and smart in how they did said "exploiting".
ThickAsThieves: they were deadly focused on the sexiness of achieving psuedo-quantum mining and being geekchic
KRS-One: quantum computing is teh sexy
ThickAsThieves: (This was Vitalik Buterin and Jordan Ash, for the record)
ozbot: noospheer | The Quantum Graph
ozbot: Bitstamp and Kraken, can you respond to these allegations by your competitor that you aren't complyi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.021399 = 0.428 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how blurry the line is for getting banned from commenting at theverge
jurov: am i blind or did it just vanished from /r/Bitcoin/ ?
jurov: with >600 upvoes, it should be right there
jurov: <davout> they told me i'm slanderous soul
davout: I used the former before, now I tweet under the latter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000884 = 0.2652 BTC [+]
davout: jurov: o, you linked to me buttraping jesse powell :D
ThickAsThieves: davout makes mean posts on forums, therefore he is a liar and only trying to promote his business. Of course!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.0008848 = 0.2212 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00088497 = 0.1504 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0914 = 0.457 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i wondered what happened to The Genesis Block blog. It looks like they gave up writing and moved on to data
Neil: KRS-One: good bait; I have a soft spot for the Asian ladies
nubbins`: yeah, "research" is a misnomer
Neil: Hmm discus fish goes from 56K blocks to 594K blocks.
Neil: Or is blockchain.info full of it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00512 = 0.1638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00511 = 1.533 BTC [-]
mike_c: ok.. i give up. mpex turns off 70% of its revenue, the share price goes down basically 0%.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 475 @ 0.00088668 = 0.4212 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: give up trying to understand.
jurov: welcome in the club
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5800001 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00510601 = 0.3115 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 228 @ 0.00088788 = 0.2024 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 862 @ 0.00021245 = 0.1831 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000888 = 0.2664 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.00511 = 2.2637 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00510956 = 0.4599 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Roger Ver on MTGOX Bankruptcy and Bitcoin - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00085612 = 15.3245 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088891 = 0.2222 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00523699 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.021399 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07800208 = 0.156 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0447 = 0.1788 BTC [+]
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 617.07, vol: 34737.99747344 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.02, vol: 19273.94613 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.0, vol: 24450.39495296 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 617.62, vol: 141.42750145 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 600.553359, vol: 9473.99400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 618.59, vol: 34.37330871 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 618.4077, vol: 193.3986179 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Looks like the drama rally might be heating up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0436004 = 0.218 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.091001 = 0.455 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07794499 = 3.1178 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0432505 = 0.173 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.091001 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 85 @ 0.07307177 = 6.2111 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58 = 1.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00522999 = 0.2667 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0429 = 0.3861 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0890006 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0914999 = 0.183 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00088985 = 0.8899 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1118 @ 0.00021 = 0.2348 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00538988 = 0.4743 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07300335 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07186666 = 1.078 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 4180 @ 0.0055 = 22.99 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58 = 9.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2504 @ 0.0002002 = 0.5013 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1268 @ 0.0001938 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.072 = 0.936 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5700002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00085577 = 35.2577 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.36577410 BTC to 3`590 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
benkay: it's a mystery to me as well, mike_c
benkay: ready to play a game of catch-the-knife?
mike_c: except the knife isn't falling!
ThickAsThieves: while i'm not converted, mp did take the time to explain this already
the20year2: Does mircea_popescu have a contingency plan if Russia rolls through Romania too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i dont recall which or how many articles covered the topic, but i recall them mostly boiling down to mpoe being the only sure thing in bitcoin to invest in.
ThickAsThieves: if anything can remain irrational longer than the marker, it's surely a creation of mircea_popescu ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00085488 = 12.2675 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00085757 = 13.8798 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.090998 = 0.182 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d380847cecd5806627a3b3890957c8abf829b0f91c3111495607da04
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
lalusch: casinobitco.in report online!
benkay: lalusch: well give us a link why dontcha
ozbot: CasinoBitco.in - Public
ozbot: [Stratfor] Examining the future of Bitcoin : Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00512442 = 2.0498 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10412 @ 0.00085519 = 8.9042 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59990999 = 2.3996 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0052001 = 0.286 BTC [+]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: any luck with that key?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00520011 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0052001 = 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00510012 = 0.1734 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Selling the Froth: A Simple Hedged Forex Strategy for Bitcoin-Denominated Returns
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00510014 = 0.1326 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00510327 = 0.74 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00508463 = 0.3305 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00505001 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 669.34, Best ask: 669.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 669.34, 24 hour volume: 51163.03455737, 24 hour low: 553.0, 24 hour high: 710.0, 24 hour vwap: 612.981668613
benkay: "The fact that this type of strategy is ever viable at all seems to me to suggest at least one of two possible explanations: either the futures market is relatively inefficient and dominated by unhedged directional bets taken by gamblers and speculators, or the aggregate view of the Bitcoin capital markets is that the counterparty risk created by exchanges like ICBIT is too high to support strategies that require maintaining a position
benkay: thru to settlement in order to ensure profitability."
benkay: little bit of column a, little bit of column b
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00504804 = 0.1161 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00502 = 1.1395 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: P-p-p-powerbook - Encyclopedia Dramatica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00055001 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00055 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, but it must be established that Apple Products are a serious hotbed of fraud
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00556126 = 0.456 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.021399 = 0.6206 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0056699 = 0.6237 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04259525 = 0.8093 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: No, but the high sticker prices seems to encourage bad behavior
BingoBoingo: Definitely. The ritual cleasing is roughly as effictive as one of those "dream catchers" with an overly coarse net on a round wooden frame
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 180 @ 0.00567497 = 1.0215 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: For sure. Then there's the problem where business and education market products which seem to have longer time until then now usually come with firmware rooted by default.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00500015 = 0.18 BTC [-] {3}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 682.0, vol: 52866.12433201 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 658.0, vol: 31370.83532 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 679.99, vol: 40243.08080348 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 629.3236, vol: 14258.70400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 663.98554, vol: 56.78902517 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 652.6025, vol: 346.6546334 | Volume-weighted last average: 670.529002883
BingoBoingo: I kind of imagined an Ipad destruction machine would "fold" the thing over a few times before puncturing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00500008 = 2.5 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: Well, a hammer is usually the right tool for this kind of job
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.005 = 0.46 BTC [-]
benkay: BingoBoingo: impossibru
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.005 = 1.5 BTC [-]
benkay: fuck you BingoBoingo i want my five minutes back
benkay: someone is sporting a foundation lifetime member badge in that thread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 989 @ 0.00490001 = 4.8461 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00499999 = 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.18344475 BTC to 13`595 shares, 8705 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05900001 = 0.236 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00085951 = 3.0942 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1425 @ 0.000199 = 0.2836 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 976 @ 0.0001901 = 0.1855 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21188 @ 0.00085954 = 18.2119 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2033 @ 0.00019 = 0.3863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 777 @ 0.00019 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 679 @ 0.00018909 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5895 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: well, i can still negrate, despite the ban. at least something.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5895 = 1.7685 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I dunno if people really read the forum for things other than the neg ratings anyways
ozbot: Former Central Banker Admits "[They] Are Making It Up As They Go Along" | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00085883 = 10.1342 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 833 @ 0.00018283 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 577 @ 0.00518739 = 2.9931 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299998 = 0.146 BTC [-]
copumpkin: I think we can tell what timezone they're talking about
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At the moment Bitbet seems the only real platform for hedging that risk which might deliver.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: They forget that Bitbet and not Reddit is the court though.
ThickAsThieves: so aurawracoin is already trading? before it's been distributed to every Icelandian?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: just you wait and see how fast people stop using this shit court.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Just like 0.032 BTC for a Novacoin!!!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0843275 = 0.7589 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Who are you trying to engage?
ozbot: Bitcoin Error Log (Bitcoin_Assets) on Twitter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Don't worry, they respond eventually.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You may also need to pick some better targets
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well you have to scope the people out a bit first and remember people like @maxkeister take the same approach to criticism Pirateat40 did, they ignore it.
BingoBoingo: Like anything else the additional work is really very little when you know what to look for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5606 @ 0.00085998 = 4.821 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: A nice first step is checking your feed for Maybe controversial tweets from people you follow. If there are a lot of responses call out some of the idiots.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0424 = 0.1696 BTC [-]
Duffer1: pretty much anyone related to the bitcoin foundation or max keiser should provide you with ample work TaT
ThickAsThieves: by fix, i mean, make it what i think it should be at any given moment, ofc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 163 @ 0.0055 = 0.8965 BTC
gribble: The expected generation output, at 7000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.000922589212592 BTC per day and 3.84412171913e-05 BTC per hour.
gribble: The expected generation output, at 400000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.0527193835767 BTC per day and 0.00219664098236 BTC per hour.
ThickAsThieves: "Well i called and talked to Ken today and he said Just Watch what happens in 3 weeks So i think that is the good news he is talking about, So i will wait the 3 weeks and reserve my judgement of everything till then"
ThickAsThieves: The FCC has issued a $1.9 million fine against Viacom, NBC Universal, and ESPN for their promotions of 2013 action movie Olympus has Fallen. According to a filing, it started receiving complaints in March of 2013, when Viacom-owned Comedy Central aired a trailer containing the two-tone emergency signal. The trailer aired several more times on other channels over the following days, and
ThickAsThieves: viewers weren't happy. "This is misleading and had our entire family running to the TV to find out what was going on, only to find it was a commercial," reads one complaint.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.0050004 = 0.51 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00500003 = 7.49 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.13311598 = 2.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00086145 = 53.1515 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09099999 = 0.455 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00499839 = 0.8397 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: Neil yah actually that article of yours is what my intel people hit me over the head with
mircea_popescu: i remembered there's something amiss but didn't actually remember wtf it was so i ended up being all derpy about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.08916749 = 2.14 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: dexX7 yeah, they managed to lose their customer db a week or two ago. maybe that's all they lost, who's to know at this point.
cazalla: reading the casinobitco.in feb report - if bitcoin price is lower, would it be right to assume people would be more bitcoin as it's worth less?
cazalla: yet they seem to blame low price on less bets
cazalla: and no - i did not buy any of this i just like to read what people are doing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves on the other hand, i'd be fucking amazed if buffett is still around in 10 years
ThickAsThieves: if it holds true it would be an indicator now that casinobit is dwindling
mircea_popescu: cazalla if there's some such effect, it'd conceivably show slower than one month
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Generally, advanced age can get people to go away
cazalla: they are blaming lower volume on lower price but i would think vol would be higher with lower price
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and before it does, it can get people to be unable to evaluate the future.
jcpham: mircea_popescu I told someone that MPOE-PR was light years ahead of mtgox the other day
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think now the trend is China White, or Heroine
jcpham: pretty sure they agreed
mike_c: the guy is 83, he gets a pass. he has quite a track record of not being stupid.
mircea_popescu: mike_c he easily gets a pass from me too, he can say whatever the fuck he wants
kakobrekla: which includes google docs spreadsheet link.
mircea_popescu: Neil at any rate, i wasn't saying there's something wron with the compilers, i said it depends how shit's implemented. basically, a write-out of "undefined"
mike_c: which shows a complete lack of ability to run a sportsbook.
mircea_popescu: hopefully the idiot got told to get fucked by the team.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Throws a baseball too good for that. Was told to just watch actual porn and skip the tweets
mircea_popescu: "Matheny told two reporters this morning that he spoke privately to Martinez and that he addressed the team again about their actions on social media this morning."
mircea_popescu: this sort of irresponsible behaviour on his part is intolerable by a major.
BingoBoingo: Problem is he is too good as well, at being grumpy and old.
BingoBoingo: Well, when BTC tops $10,000 Maybe buy the Cardinals? Play at MPEx stadium?
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
benkay: mircea_popescu: u gon have a headache with that one
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Make it a troll buy around $100k/BTC Matheny will prolly still be there by then.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i have no idea dood, i went to bed fully expecting to see it way lower. i come back... it's gone from 86-87 to what, 84ish
mircea_popescu: owch. even at $100k / btc, it'll prolly be 10k btcs or some shit. seems excessive.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget that whol 'Murica collapsing part.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin can i get a summary ? i just fucking banned youtube.
BingoBoingo: 100k/BTC might be as forgetable a milestone as silver parity
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: the pope saying "cazzo"
copumpkin: it was a mistake, he was trying to say "caso"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00495005 = 0.6782 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.00648 = 0.1296 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]
ozbot: Kennesaw State orders museum to remove are on racist past of woman whose land was given to universit
Duffer1: common B-A injuries: severe bruising from facepalm repetition, permanent eyeroll syndrome
mircea_popescu: "Out of this cesspool of vice rises that hideous monster, a possible menace to every home in the South. He has the savage nature and murderous instincts of the wild beast, plus the cunning and lust of a fiend."
mircea_popescu: "But her legacy has always been tarnished by the racist views that launched her career." / "but we've never managed to cope with the fact that people in the past did not think very much of the stereotypes we today hold dear"
ozbot: Loper OS » Modern Chumpatronic Engineering.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18552 @ 0.00085969 = 15.949 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: do you mind if we keep asking you questions until you answer yes ?
mircea_popescu: did you ever have sex with an eskimo and/or navy seal ?
mircea_popescu: did you accept jesus in your heart and other cavities ?
mircea_popescu: She said the two had been living in a motel with her 2-year-old twin daughters
mircea_popescu: dude wtf, living in a motel ? what's that, like 50 bucks a night?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Depends on the motel, could go as low as $50 a week if the interstate is too fat.
mircea_popescu: "How many incestuous half siblings does it take to screw in a lightbulb? You do the meth." << ahaha
mircea_popescu: "wow! this website is a scam, can we get a link to reddit and bitcointalk.org protest time!"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what the fuck are we doing with that retarded altcoin bet.
BingoBoingo: Preferably on of thickastheives's altcoins?
mircea_popescu: first of all i'm banning that retarded site, it's a signal about as good as pissing in the snow.
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripple Auroracoin Litecoin Peercoin Dogecoin Nxt Ma
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0432 = 0.1728 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, i have a serious problem just giving 15 btc to some dorks who went and did what basically ?
mircea_popescu: aurora coin has nothing, atc is more fleshed out than it.
kakobrekla: but at the end of the day its what the bet sez and what you can prove not what the truth is.
benkay: just like atc and ltc and dgc
decimation: asciilifeform your blog post is good. I think the root of the issue (the reason why chumps bow prostrate to their masters) is that the chumps fail to distinguish fantasy from reality
decimation: a trustworth bitcoin exchange should exist, this is an exchange, therefore it is trustworthy?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: it at least makes me feel better that you were surprised too.
kakobrekla: it could be the guys set up something nonpublic and gave the guy the feed
mircea_popescu: decimation you ever read that grand tlp piece re trading ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c i capitulated re s.mpoe price making any sense like a year ago
mircea_popescu: i dun claim to understand it. maybe better minds later on.
ozbot: MtGox source code leaked ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08916021 = 0.4458 BTC [-] {3}
joecool: posting this so nobody loses sleep
joecool: <MagicalTux> [07:10:14] <joecool> MagicalTux: kalyhost going to continue operations? <- that's the plan
mircea_popescu: "Does Deutsche Bank use php? Does HSBC use fucking MYSQL??? Do any of those banks comment out lines in production code for debugging?!?!?!?"
joecool: probably all asp, the pinnacle of security
mike_c: bank software is probably terrible. i highly doubt they have good programmers.
mircea_popescu: anyway, commented out lines in production software are more common than web designers.
joecool: mike_c: windows server 2003 is stable ok?
joecool: mircea_popescu: still does, i need to see how many uses of "fuck" they still have in source
mike_c: commented out lines are pretty bad (or at least a pet peeve). that's what source control is for.
joecool: used to have a tracker for that
decimation: what's wrong with commenting out lines of code? they are crumbs for students
mike_c: what's wrong is they make the code less readable, thereby making it harder for the 2nd programmer who has to touch the code.
joecool: mostly scheduler stuff, because nobody can make up mind how how to schedule tasks for 64k cpu's vs. a typical desktop
kakobrekla: i dont think forum is still on kalyhost
kakobrekla: joecool well, he thought and say same for gox.
joecool: kakobrekla: well its ok though, MT says kalyhost is staying in operation
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: who cares about source code
kakobrekla: am i the only one so retarded to read the footer of the forum
kakobrekla: >Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder this is re the very concerning leak at mtgox,
mircea_popescu: in that ~20gb worth of idiots' passport scans are now in the wild.
mircea_popescu: these are EXTREMELY vulnerable people, because most of them have either forced their bank to accept "weird" txs
mircea_popescu: getting out of an identity theft mess will be a royal pain in the loins
ozbot: Goxed - Pastebin.com
Bugpowder: just find nanashi and read all his comments
Bugpowder: they say no personal info released of users
Bugpowder: (probably they will sell that instead of leak it :(
Bugpowder: little did I expect OTC to be the SAFE routh
decimation: well, at the very least with OTC damage is limited and healing
Bugpowder: Dude was more concerned with putting a frappachino cafe in his own fucking building than using svn.
mircea_popescu: course, it IS possible the leaked thing is not actually their code.
ozbot: NameHomeMobilePersonal EmailEmergency ContactEmergency Number Adam Turner - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: "I think what concerns me more than anything is that they're rounding some of their values."
mircea_popescu: kinda fun that everyone was acutally fucking japanese girls.
mircea_popescu: imagine these kids, you know ? buncha weaboos start card trading website
mircea_popescu: end up affording to move to japan and pork lolis all dai
ivet: can anyone direct me to a good irc channel for bitstamp trading?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07727271 = 0.85 BTC [-] {6}
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00085761 = 15.9515 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: bitstamp tard came spamming re bitstamp back in 2012 or what was it, to such extent that he got a k-line
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00494475 = 1.9779 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 65736.15109940 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 643.2, vol: 41149.86071 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 49700.76269936 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 644.809386, vol: 16392.57100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 670.89335, vol: 67.80058344 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 663.4488, vol: 419.40543934 | Volume-weighted last average: 667.901191362
kakobrekla: 12:32 AM (3 minutes ago) > hey guys can you resolve this as a yes, aurora already almost doubled and everyone else agrees? thanx
BingoBoingo: Looks like BTC has serious drama support this week
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes everyone agrees, let's send the winners to gox.
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: i dunno, to me this entire shit looks like a transparent attempt of the quoted site to made 10 btc or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the entire auroracoin thing looks like it cost less than what the bet would bring in.
BingoBoingo: So verdict is "Yes" everyone gets beta access to Gox 2 Electric Bugabear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085703 = 3.9423 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, anyone got a link to any place auroracoin thing is actually traded ?
ThickAsThieves: add to the FAQ: In a circumstance where an accepted bet is determined to have unreliable determining factors, BitBet shall choose factors as best it can, or refund all bets at its own discretion.
BingoBoingo: Refund everybody minus fee? "Poorly spec's BitBEt Med getting whipped"
ozbot: Cryptsy - AUR/BTC Market
mircea_popescu: eh get the fuck out, cryptsy never saw 1k btc in its entire existence
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i can't ok this. i mean i couldn't care less either way, it's bettors' btc on either side of the bet.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can't fucking push it either, it's a legitimate contention.
BingoBoingo: I mean scamcoin tricks suggest forcing people to either spec better signals or kill MPOE bot
kakobrekla: firstly, how will you handle 'ends up' ?
kakobrekla: secondly, it doesnt specify if it has to be minable/premined or to which extent that can be
BingoBoingo: This might be a good time to suggest a BitBet, "Bitbet to not accept further Altcoin Marketcap bets in 2014"
ThickAsThieves: precedent at bitbet is to say 'above x rate at any time, or by a specific time' etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 806 @ 0.00480085 = 3.8695 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: the sad irony of it all beinbg that i hazily recall mod asking me if i see a problem and me saying no.
mircea_popescu: i guess i was right... it's not that there's A problem.
BingoBoingo: Nah, most fucked up might get litigated around 12 UTC
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess if someone can be bothered to install their wallet.
mircea_popescu: "bitbet resolves dubious bet by crashing dubious altscam into the ground"
ThickAsThieves: what websites has bitbet allowed as proof in the past?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for he record, Лохотрон is way better than "Chumpatron"
mircea_popescu: also i think tpoh does not even nearly map on the english tron
mircea_popescu: which is more like... half of the tron troff pair than anything
BingoBoingo: Fuck, Imma have to learn Russian by June aren't I
ThickAsThieves: how about i tell which side i bet on and you just resolve it to that?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If they come this fast I live way to close to a trascom outpost.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04242 = 0.8484 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: I've been learning in the wrong direction then. My first phrase was "Fuck your mother горничная"
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: did that key work?
copumpkin: oh, sorry, must've been offline or mentally impaired