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asciilifeform: http://putnik1.livejournal.com/2048845.html << highly relevant ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ was a mega-derp in the russian derposphere;
asciilifeform: someone posts photo of young fella in kitchen. tonnes of flamage follow
asciilifeform: about how 'disgusting soviet hovels we lived in!' 'no, you disgusting liberast, fellating american cock' 'no you...' etc
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: turns out, guess who's making tea with milk.
mircea_popescu: it was pretty sad,
asciilifeform: and in what country
mircea_popescu: but it was pretty universal. post ww2 europe was a shithole on par with africa.
mircea_popescu: just, fortunately, not inhabited by africans.
asciilifeform: (lenon)
asciilifeform was not fooled, but only because of wrong mains socket
mike_c: kakobrekla, anyone hit the affiliate lottery today?
kakobrekla: the highest was 0.02897384 it seems
mike_c: so the 1000 was ref free. good for shareholders :)
kakobrekla: but theres some funky stuff going on with aff. are you getting anything out?
mike_c: yeah, the above mentioned was me.
kakobrekla: a, good to hear.
TheNewDeal: does anyone know the website that allows one to purchase from amazon with bitcoin by proxy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 213 @ 0.0075 = 1.5975 BTC [+]
RagnarDanneskjol: purse.io
chetty: http://liveuamap.com/e/2014/18-september-russian-fighters-in-swedish-airspace-swedish?ll=54.69764633408021;10.818786621093789&zoom=6
assbot: Russian fighters in swedish airspace. Swedish fighters in pursuit.
kakobrekla has just discovered http://bitbet.su O_o
assbot: BitBet - - -
asciilifeform: lol, mitm proxy ?
mircea_popescu: iiincredible, #b-a link but info@su ?
mircea_popescu: 1JPrww7oTyPr2dk14ep6ZMJaTWUSBpHT3t kakobrekla ours or not ?
kakobrekla: ours
mircea_popescu: so it's a weird clone ? odd.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28822 @ 0.00075106 = 21.6471 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: o fuck.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8199 @ 0.00074984 = 6.1479 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: also possible that only mitms certain loads.
asciilifeform: e.g., specific bet, or from specific ip ranges
kakobrekla: its requesting the address from bitbet server with a referral.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.16200262 = 1.296 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: ima write this up brb
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - the deed bot is complete /demo ready, works like a charm. i think moloko wants to clean up a few things, I'll try to get him to drop in tonight to discuss - might be late
mircea_popescu: cool.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.16025261 = 1.923 BTC [-] {7}
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00075219 = 11.4333 BTC [+]
mike_c: this was my first experience with romania.. i launched my website and some .ro clone pointing at my server popped up a week later.
mike_c: lol, it's out of date.
mike_c: doesn't have today's action on brk
mike_c: silly russians
kakobrekla: i think it wont allow you to iframe it so i guess he runs some cronjob and parses it over
kakobrekla: but yeah, you could do it on the fly
kakobrekla: that is how http://josh-zerlan.com works
assbot: BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 1 year 7 months ago
asciilifeform: wtf is that
kakobrekla: oh, well ask mp.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-mystery-the-internet-may-wish-to-help-elucidating/ << looking for comments
assbot: Here’s a mystery the Internet may wish to help elucidating. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bfl scammer, had a deal with betsofbitco.in and other similar junklets to make a fake bfl will deliver bet, then call it "unresolvable" and cancel if they don't.
mircea_popescu: once the divergence between bitbet and the rest was painfully obvious, bfl put 500+ btc on bitbet, then failed to deliver. bitbet didn't cancel their bet.
mircea_popescu: cue six weeks campaign about how "bitbet is a scam" and the burial of the actual scams, from high to low.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7745 @ 0.00074984 = 5.8075 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29860 @ 0.00074928 = 22.3735 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: why does something have to be going on other than a guy that wants to get as many referrals as possible (insecure methods aside)
mircea_popescu: why is he using the glbse/theymos addy ?
ThickAsThieves: because he is one of them
mircea_popescu: why do this then ?!
ThickAsThieves: what should he do?
mircea_popescu: i mean... for any conceivable goal there's a better approach
kakobrekla: its a good idea really. he gets all the money, bitbet does all the work. i wish i came up with it!
mircea_popescu: i dunno, make abunch of mfa sites ?
ThickAsThieves: seems like a great setup, he can copycat while getting referrals and then one day cash that in by selectively scamming
ThickAsThieves: and then full scam
mircea_popescu: so then wouldn't you have used some new addresses ?
ThickAsThieves: well you now are adding that he is a smart scammer
ThickAsThieves: the glbse guy
mircea_popescu: so if he's that dumb how did he manage to make the clone work.
ThickAsThieves: filed under smart in your records?
ThickAsThieves: i wouldnt hire my plumber to do my taxes?
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: i dunno man, it's so fucking weird...
ThickAsThieves: scammers are pretty weird
ThickAsThieves: so are foreigners
mircea_popescu: so are whores. maybe it's a whore ?
ThickAsThieves: could be
mircea_popescu: cats are also pretty weird...
ThickAsThieves: probly just mike_c tho
mircea_popescu: maybe it's a cat.
mircea_popescu: yeah is one of you asshats trolling me ?
kakobrekla: cats leave paw traces.
ThickAsThieves: is probly the "can you understand an engine guy"
ThickAsThieves: " guy
mircea_popescu: lol at that glowfrost redditard. "oh, all the bitbet scam reports".
mircea_popescu: except no bitbet scam reports exist, but for libertard heaven there's no need to actually have anything at all. you can just make a sum of all the things you don't have.
mircea_popescu: like the global warming consensus.
ThickAsThieves: scam reporters are notoriously a scam
ThickAsThieves: like BBB
ThickAsThieves: fukn scum
kakobrekla: you just reported a scam as as scam, you scammer.
ThickAsThieves: this is not investment advice!
mike_c: heh, me doing the scam site? plz. btcalpha is more up to date than that thing.
mike_c: although i did scam BB once.
ThickAsThieves: can one site change another site's cookie?
mike_c: aw, it's gone.
mike_c: but fun for pranks: http://shrturl.co/
assbot: SHRTURL - The web editor
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: no.
mike_c: enforced by browser ofc, like all web sekurity
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/heres-a-mystery-the-internet-may-wish-to-help-elucidating/
kakobrekla: btw the content on .su is like 10 days old
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not on any browser made after msie 4.0
mike_c: they get bored quickly. how did you find it? usually they don't get much traffic
mircea_popescu: what i don't get is the partial russian translation here and there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1000 @ 0.0007285 = 0.7285 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: oh, derp. ic on trilema
kakobrekla: mike_c googlefu.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> what i don't get is the partial russian translation here and there < my guess is it wants to justify its legitimacy by providing translation service.
mike_c: any of those guys russian? theymos, nefario, etc.?
mircea_popescu: okay, but a) it's such a huge red flag for either russian or english speakers,
mircea_popescu: mike_c nah, they're both brits, and both bums
mircea_popescu: kinda how they met.
mircea_popescu: and b) who the fuck translates "do"
kakobrekla: my guess is thermos is not a bum with the forum coins.
mike_c: must be crappy machine translation. ascii?
mircea_popescu: you have no idea how fast bums can go through widnfalls.
mike_c: also, did you try emailing them yet?
kakobrekla: "Hello dear beloved scammer. Can you stop it pretty please?" ?
mircea_popescu: email is kako's dept, and i think he prefers the passive role.
kakobrekla: yeah, i have been degraded to secretary and now i take it up the ass too.
mircea_popescu: omg :(
kakobrekla: wait, isn that the passive mode?!
mircea_popescu: you have a dirty mind :D
mike_c: i was thinking more like 'i c you are valuable affiliate partner, who are you?'
mircea_popescu: mike_c here's the problem : would you credit anything they said ?
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't, which is why i didn't email.
mike_c: depends on what they said. more communication = more opportunities for slipup/information.
mircea_popescu: or the feint thereof.
mike_c: unless you just want to put them on the ignore list.
mike_c: my thoughts go down the path of: 1) start pinging their site, see when it updates. 2) correlate with my server logs and see where they are scraping from
mircea_popescu: you can;t stop scraping.
mike_c: of course. you can report them to google (and maybe even yandex?)
mircea_popescu: actually them being obscure is their main advantage, which is a large part of why i wrote about it
mircea_popescu: there's kinda 0 incentive to report them from a game pov.
mike_c: depends where they get traffic from. if they are pushing seo hard maybe they will be ranking higher than you.
mircea_popescu: yeah, lol. that'll happen.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00074975 = 9.4843 BTC [+]
mike_c: i don't know how resistant yandex is to black hat seo.
mircea_popescu: hey kako http://xkcd.com/236/
assbot: xkcd: Collecting Double-Takes
TheNewDeal: oh my, the hidden text is quality on that one
mike_c: big lol. ty for pointing that out.
kakobrekla: .su mentioned on the forum https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130455.msg6181903#msg6181903
assbot: Теханализ и не только
kakobrekla: in april.
decimation: asciilifeform: your algorithm is a simple version of the "cordic algorithm" which is in use by nearly all dsp pros
mircea_popescu: !up tokyopotato
tokyopotato: thanks
tokyopotato: i really need to figure out this WoT thing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that shit promises to get nasty.
mircea_popescu: people might not spot us/su
kakobrekla: >We have a lot of security measures designed to prevent theft of Bitcoins, and recently we've had a bug with the security measures that sometimes causes withdrawals to get stuck. It's been hard to diagnose, because often it's just a handful of withdrawals that get stuck, which doesn't give us a lot of diagnostic data. We actually did an update today that we think might resolve the issue, but we won't know for sure until time passes and
kakobrekla: we don't see more stuck withdrawals.
kakobrekla: security measures so complex they cant understand them them selfs?
mircea_popescu: who's this ?
kakobrekla: kraken
mircea_popescu: lol k
kakobrekla: this has been going on for half a year now
kakobrekla: i dont use them ,just reding up.
TheNewDeal: holy shit
TheNewDeal: is this just a raw translation of bitbet, or is it some scamsite?
kakobrekla: and the response re bug: Dargo, thanks for your fast reply. That speak loud. Many other exchanges are run by monkeys with funny hats! I'll sure look up for unleashing the kraken Smiley
kakobrekla goes to find the silly hat
kakobrekla: only the package matters!
mircea_popescu: !up SubCreative
SubCreative: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'SubCreative', with hostmask 'SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin', is not identified.
SubCreative: Hola
TheNewDeal: looks like all the bitstamp bots have gone to sleep
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know the stuff's usually paid posting
kakobrekla: TheNewDeal read the trilema article
mircea_popescu: SubCreative hello. who are you ?
mircea_popescu: !up jamesonwa
SubCreative: Dev of Cannacoin
kakobrekla: actually i dont think its paid since if you want to get anything done with kraken you must post a some sort of 'complaint' to ze forum.
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
SubCreative: Alt crypto for the Cannabis industry.
jamesonwa: Crypto for cannabis
mircea_popescu: i had no idea it was an industry
jamesonwa: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'jamesonwa', with hostmask 'jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226', is not identified.
jamesonwa: ;;eauth jamesonwa
mircea_popescu: what, and high times is a trade rag ?
gribble: Request successful for user jamesonwa, hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/EE5B1CCF6A25351D
jamesonwa: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:57b01a63a263be6509b5b9a923194473e0b1a45b0cacd9168fc0dc72
gribble: You are now authenticated for user jamesonwa with key EE5B1CCF6A25351D
jamesonwa: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'jamesonwa', with hostmask 'jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226', is identified as user 'jamesonwa', with GPG key id EE5B1CCF6A25351D, key fingerprint CA46000F350C11A8345811EEEE5B1CCF6A25351D, and bitcoin address 1GeB8nwdHu5ykF8CZf8xQ7gQiUQrycyq4S
danielpbarron: why shouldn't the "cannabis industry" use bitcoin?
kakobrekla: why does the cannabis industry need a coin of its own?
TheNewDeal: EXACTLY what I was just typing
jamesonwa: It's not industry specific to our needs.
kakobrekla: will you make the password unforgettable?
SubCreative: ;;ident
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'SubCreative', with hostmask 'SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin', is identified as user 'Peezr', with GPG key id 4AE29B6BC467562C, key fingerprint E13615BBDDEC143A5CA5A5AC4AE29B6BC467562C, and bitcoin address 15xY1HTs66r7VwYi6ntAA3hZu3mnmVwBFv
mircea_popescu: a coin with unrememberable passwords may be fun
kakobrekla: does it use proof of smoke?
SubCreative: Where are you from mircea?
TheNewDeal: on a scale of 1 to 10, how is cannacoin's usability?
TheNewDeal: test
danielpbarron: what? the industry needs it's own curreny to debase? What "needs" does Bitcoin not fulfill?
SubCreative: Im from Seattle, WA one of two legal recreational states for marijuana.
decimation: cannabis in the us cannot be purchased with 'bank dollars'
mircea_popescu: SubCreative romania.
decimation: because banks are federally regulated and pot is federally illegal
kakobrekla: decimation whats wrong with buttcoin
SubCreative: Bitcoin is too slow for real world transactions.
TheNewDeal: it's easy enough to stick an atm in a weed shop
decimation: lol
SubCreative: And it's not just a currency, we're a network offering tools and services.
mircea_popescu: so how fast is this thing ?
decimation: he's a tool
SubCreative: Im currently developing an entire merchant processing solution and custom trade service.
SubCreative: Just for our merchants in the industry of cannabis.
decimation: in theory one could operate a bitcoin<-> usd atm in a pot shop
tokyopotato: ;;eauth tokyopotato
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
danielpbarron: SubCreative, a Bitcoin transaction is practically instantaneous -- you'll have to come up with a better pitch than that for your scamcoin if you want to attract any suckers
TheNewDeal: lets say I'm a dispensary purchasing 2kg of medical grade cannabis from a supplier. Is bitcoin too slow?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal can take half an hour...
SubCreative: danielpbarron: You can try to think of it any way you want, we've been around for ~6 months already with no premine and no serious pump/dumps
BingoBoingo: https://twitter.com/KingdomJock/status/512747671262490624
assbot: Seriously though, is that not a Yes vote on top of the No pile??? /hashtag/indyref?src=hash http://t.co/07kx46cqhW
SubCreative: so scam or pump/dump is kind of out of the question by now...
decimation: colorado already has coloradocoin http://time.com/2839059/colorados-new-pot-banking-law-wont-solve-cash-problems/
assbot: Marijuana Legalization: Colorado Pot Banking Law Passed
tokyopotato: there's many applications for blockchain tech other than currency
tokyopotato: so someone makes their own blockchain? what's the fucking big deal?
SubCreative: TheNewDeal: we're not here to replace BTC
tokyopotato: jesus chris you guys need to quit pissing your pants
SubCreative: We're here to support and and be apart of the network.
mircea_popescu: SubCreative ever seen http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/ ?
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as “cryptocurrencies” pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
danielpbarron: oh 6 months? well then it couldn't possibly be a scam! how long did gox last?
decimation: there's no problem with altcoins. I am pissing on the idea that they will ever be worth anything
SubCreative: danielpbarron: save it, you guys asked.
SubCreative: I came to participate in a bitcoin-assets channel...
decimation: this ain't 2011 anymore, the ship has sailed
mircea_popescu: SubCreative simmer down lol, people just hate new ideas.
tokyopotato: like Ripple?
danielpbarron: SubCreative, i'm "participating" right back at you :p
SubCreative: danielpbarron, your the same troll from OTC
cazalla: what's with every andreas wannabe spouting "blockchain technology"
The20YearIRCloud: I will replace bitcoin with supercoin
SubCreative: Im not unfamiliar to your name
mircea_popescu: cazalla what'd you have it be, iron plows ? this ain't 2011 bc anymore.
danielpbarron is flattered to have such a reputation in -otc
tokyopotato: cazalla: maybe you would prefer "ledger" or "consensus tracker"
xmj: ben_vulpes: around?
SubCreative: It's not a good one :-\
SubCreative: ;;gettrust danielpbarron
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net. Trust relationship from user Peezr to user danielpbarron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -1 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Peezr&dest=danielpbarron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron | Rated since: Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013
SubCreative: ;;gettrust Peezr
jamesonwa: ;;gettrust jamesonwa
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask SubCreative!~SubCreati@unaffiliated/cannacoin. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user Peezr to user Peezr: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 63 via 42 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Peezr&dest=Peezr | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Peezr | Rated since: Thu Jul 4 16:54:20 2013
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Trust relationship from user jamesonwa to user jamesonwa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 171 via 106 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=jamesonwa&dest=jamesonwa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jamesonwa | Rated since: Mon Nov 5 23:09:47 2012
SubCreative: Go home danielpbarron
TheNewDeal: just curious. was blazedout419 involved in any development of these weedalts?
tokyopotato: ?
jamesonwa: no
SubCreative: blazed is just an og smokin og
jamesonwa: I think he has his hands in physical coins
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust assbot jamesonwa
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask jamesonwa!~jamesonwa@2601:8:a400:178:ada8:a831:f99d:b226. Trust relationship from user assbot to user jamesonwa: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=jamesonwa | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jamesonwa | Rated since: Mon Nov 5 23:09:47 2012
decimation: any altcoin that wants to replace bitcoin as a savings vehicle is going to require overcoming bitcoin's considerable lead in investment, both in terms of expectation of future value and the build-out of proof-of-work devices
mircea_popescu: ;;rate jamesonwa 1 Voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user jamesonwa has been recorded.
BingoBoingo: Wait, is the FBI this desperate for TSR leads? First they come to my door all leik, "hurd u leik Bitcoinz" and now People show up on IRC with "This is Bitcoin, but with Weed!"
mircea_popescu: just because they're after you doesn't mean you're not paranoid.
BingoBoingo: Yeah
TheNewDeal: easy phillip k dick
mircea_popescu: SubCreative so is it scrypt ?
jamesonwa: scrypt, migrating to PoS.
SubCreative: Currently, we're moving to a PoS 2.0 model in a few weeks.
TheNewDeal: BB, weed is legal in some states for the record
jamesonwa: yes, PoS 2.0
danielpbarron: migrating?? ...
SubCreative: https://soundcloud.com/cannacoin/cannacoin-podcast-episode-001
assbot: The Cannacoin Podcast - Episode 001 by The Cannacoin Podcast on SoundCloud - Hear the worlds sounds
SubCreative: yes danielpbarron
danielpbarron: "don't mind us -- just manipulating your currency"
SubCreative: That podcast will give you somebackground
kakobrekla: proof of smoke then, noice.
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal> BB, weed is legal in some states for the record << Remember, it was the bong that did in Charlie Shrem
decimation: how much premining has been done?
mircea_popescu: SubCreative podcasts are a horrible medium. got the transcript somewhere ?
tokyopotato: 99% decimation
SubCreative: danielpbarron: last I checked, consensus doesnt' work like that.
tokyopotato: for fairness
SubCreative: mircea_popescu: Ill give you a interview that covers some of it.
SubCreative: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB4QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6aEafesvlyc&ei=BY4bVIn-JsrvoATjyIKYCQ&usg=AFQjCNE_XH6hZiWR5KFb4DKd-c3m-gw9Wg&sig2=pX94budEV2A62QKx6R8sfg&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cGU
TheNewDeal: It was a pot brownie, as far as I recall
SubCreative: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcoinjoint.info%2Fcannacoin-interview-new-cryptocurrency-contender-cannabis-market%2F&ei=BY4bVIn-JsrvoATjyIKYCQ&usg=AFQjCNEh1E9Ypw6_1t1DmC7PekLZF4eIAQ&sig2=sY8q8xxvzqaNt4ivpW4rEA&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cGU
SubCreative: stupid google
mircea_popescu: this hurt.
TheNewDeal: and galavanting around like an asshole
SubCreative: http://coinjoint.info/cannacoin-interview-new-cryptocurrency-contender-cannabis-market/
assbot: Cannacoin Interview: A new cryptocurrency contender for the cannabis market - CoinJoint.info
danielpbarron: it's probably easy to get consensus for your changes from what few idiots would actually use such a thing, SubCreative
tokyopotato: TheNewDeal: weed is legal in WA state
TheNewDeal: I've been there, I smoked it
TheNewDeal: shows just how horrible an idea it was to legalize
tokyopotato: TheNewDeal: you should have stopped and hung out with us, you'd have smoked a lot more
tokyopotato: Well... if you pay for weed, yeah, but if you grow it... that's a bit different
mircea_popescu: http://xkcd.com/256/ << what is this, 2000 ?
assbot: xkcd: Online Communities
TheNewDeal: colorado had the right idea with MJM
TheNewDeal: took a step back with recreational
tokyopotato: time will tell
TheNewDeal: and now washington just shit the bed
tokyopotato: yup, medical is priority #1 right now in WA
tokyopotato: for the growers/dispensaries
TheNewDeal: acting like they couldn't source 1000g of weed after 6 months
TheNewDeal: a teenager could do such a thing
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal a teenager could have done the obamacare site, too
mircea_popescu: what's your point
TheNewDeal: my point is this
TheNewDeal: the prices could not compete with street prices
decimation: why didn't you cannacoin guys consider using ethereum?
TheNewDeal: the supply couldnt keep up with demand
tokyopotato: decimation: who says we didn't?
ben_vulpes: xmj: yessss?
decimation: okay, well why did you reject ethereum?
xmj: ben_vulpes: are you looking for anything sysadmin payable in BTC, then?
tokyopotato: decimation: when did we reject ethereum?
SubCreative: Its not a rejceted idea by any means.
SubCreative: An early untested experiment yes...
xmj: Also, for once I agree with Paul Graham https://twitter.com/paulg/status/512776361824354304
assbot: Political correctness is Victorian propriety with the variables changed.
xmj: He seems to have been reading Moldbug.
mircea_popescu: !up BuSheeZy
BuSheeZy: :O
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal of course not. govt can't compete with free market.
BuSheeZy: thank ya
danielpbarron: is ethereum even a thing yet? i thought it was still just a pipe dream..
TheNewDeal: anyways, would love to meet up with you all the next time I'm in the state
decimation: "Thomas More: Richard, you couldn't answer for yourself even so far as tonight."
SubCreative: danielpbarron, they have live betas
SubCreative: And a few clients out
ThickAsThieves: https://twitter.com/bbcscotlandnews/status/512762950642196480
assbot: Dundee counting staff outside after being evacuated due to fire alarm. It looks a little chilly... http://t.co/xzdZqv4Dkv
TheNewDeal: I actually travel to colorado more frequently
tokyopotato: TheNewDeal: we would love to have you
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves nipples ?
ThickAsThieves: nah
mircea_popescu: no click.
TheNewDeal: ;;rate tokyopotato May be worth a meet in WA. re: log 9/19 02:00
gribble: Error: 'May' is not a valid integer.
ThickAsThieves: poll staff all evacuated during counting
TheNewDeal: ;;rate tokyopotato 1 May be worth a meet in WA. re: log 9/19 02:00
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
TheNewDeal: eww
TheNewDeal: who's all in your crew tokyopotato
SubCreative: assbot has changed mode: -v tokyopotato
mircea_popescu: !up tokyopotato
mircea_popescu: gotta get in the wot
tokyopotato: just reinstalled and got new interwebs
tokyopotato: kk
mircea_popescu: make sure you ecologically dispose of the old interwebs
tokyopotato: lol
mircea_popescu: don't just throw them on the superhighway
tokyopotato: yeah buddy, we compost everything in the PNW
mircea_popescu: i used to compost in romania. people were incensed.
tokyopotato: ha
kakobrekla: so i listened bits of that podcast - you need to read all the logs. twice.
tokyopotato: that's a funny mental image
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what is this, 7 years in tibet ?
TheNewDeal: 7 years in bitbet :D
kakobrekla: hope it works?
TheNewDeal: a short novella by thenewdeal
tokyopotato: you guys have a resident stand-up comedian?
asciilifeform: decimation: yes.
tokyopotato: i like this place
asciilifeform: decimation: what did you think it was - alien magic ?
kakobrekla: thats in the other closet.
decimation: asciilifeform: no, just wanted to fyi for the readers
mircea_popescu: the dongs closet ?
decimation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CORDIC << what we are writing about
assbot: CORDIC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: decimation table lookup!!1
kakobrekla: !up SubCreative
SubCreative: !network
kakobrekla: !lollipop
mircea_popescu: !pippi longstocking
kakobrekla: that worked.
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah that's pretty much the idea. it's amazing that such a seemingly 'approximate' algorithm can be made arbitrarily precise through iteration
mircea_popescu: decimation no, actually, that's a requirement for numbers to work.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the .su folks are scraping from an identifiable box / ip range ?
kakobrekla: its coming from the ip that the site is hosted on.
asciilifeform: mm, classy
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: feed'em something interesting (let's say mismatched delimiters) & then fetch their turd a few msec after.
decimation: well, there's nothing like putting a national flag on your pirate ship
mircea_popescu: ;;isitdown bitbet.su
gribble: bitbet.su is down
asciilifeform: decimation: nothing like tossing a gram of antimatter aboard annoying bugger ship
mircea_popescu: as thestringpuller reports, it's gone.
asciilifeform: nope
asciilifeform: works great here.
mircea_popescu: um ?
The20YearIRCloud: i wnat antimatter
mircea_popescu: o.O
The20YearIRCloud: *want
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud better stock up on antimattercoin then
The20YearIRCloud: sweet
mircea_popescu: it's a coin specific to the industry. plus platform.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform seems like they only do live fetch when its time to pull an address. anyway, what would be the gain doing that - i fail to see?
asciilifeform: see if coughs up guts.
mircea_popescu: he's a hacker at heart.
decimation: avast! overflow ye buffers!
mircea_popescu: prolly going to name his child STAN&1=0--
asciilifeform: after coughs up guts - haruspicy.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: xkcd did that one already.
xmj: ben_vulpes: that's a no ?
asciilifeform: # 327.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o it also has to be original ?!
asciilifeform: 'little bobby tables'
kakobrekla: well i guess we can try but i much doubt anything good will come out of it
decimation: asciilifeform: apparently altium is going to release a 'free' version of their windows crapware
decimation: the hook: you can only save to their 'cloud'
asciilifeform: decimation: loltronics.
asciilifeform: i bet all the other turdmeisters are ripping their hair out 'why didnchaithinkofthat'
decimation: this rings a gong for those interested in jumping off the crapware wagon: use kicad
asciilifeform: now if only kicad worked.
decimation: it might suck but at least it won't turn your project into a freemium hook
decimation: plus: can fork, like open bsd apache 1.3
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#712702 ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2014 02:35:54; decimation: what part failed - the autorouter?
asciilifeform: 'geda' is considerably closer to working.
asciilifeform: but - still no dice. if you're even a little unlucky (like yours truly) and your geometry is just so - geda's polygonal fills fall apart.
asciilifeform: after several weeks of 'doctor it hurts when i do that / don't do that' i threw in the towel.
decimation: supposedly the kicad autorouter has been improved
decimation: but that's like lucy's football
asciilifeform: since april ?
decimation: I think so, let me check
asciilifeform: decimation: don't bother. it isn't just the autorouter.
asciilifeform: the fucker doesn't even refresh the screen correctly under a perfectly ordinary linux/x11
asciilifeform: they don't test linux ver. - is the only possible conclusion.
decimation: yeah, it's sad that even open source engineering tools are written for microshit
decimation: but, it is a pretty tall mountain of chairs, if you want to use it for a foundation for something better :)
asciilifeform is quite uninterested in flying on chairs.
ben_vulpes: what, you don't even get in airplanes?
decimation: I think that CERN are contributing to kicad these days
asciilifeform: situations like this are more interesting than appear on surface - because they make it abundantly clear that no one really gives a flying fuck if the thing works or not
asciilifeform: and if anyone is using it for serious work, they are using a patched version and aren't sharing
asciilifeform: so hell knows what other gotchas are in the public turdball.
decimation: apparently they have too many bezzlars/postdocs to do more physics
decimation: yeah, there's not a working osx port either
asciilifeform: if any of the humble labs i worked in / toured/ invaded are anything to go by - none of the postdocs design pcb - why??
asciilifeform: they use racks and racks of off-the-shelf golden toilet modules and kilometres of cabling
decimation: asciilifeform: golden toliet
decimation: if they reset the research budget to $2000 they couldn't afford the bezzle-equipment
asciilifeform: http://www.ikp.uni-koeln.de/~warr/doc/CERN_photos_2004/imm004_3A.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ scenes like this.
asciilifeform: wasn't hard to dredge up, either.
decimation: that's probably well over $100k of equipment
asciilifeform: why bother with pcb routing / etching / subcontracting when monkeys will run cable forever
dub: that looks like a 3d render of a reason rack\
mats_cd03: http://apple.slashdot.org/story/14/09/18/2216222/apples-warrant-canary-has-died
assbot: Apple's "Warrant Canary" Has Died - Slashdot
decimation: asciilifeform: this is largely the case even in electrical engineering labs
asciilifeform: when these people do design boards (i have seen this, believe or not) it's typically done by a kid with w4r3z cad proggy.
dub: hmm, last looked at reason a looong time ago
decimation: asciilifeform: they probably just click the 'autoroute' key
decimation: http://teespring.com/autorouter
assbot: NEVER trust the autorouter | Teespring
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 422.1, Best ask: 422.78, Bid-ask spread: 0.68000, Last trade: 422.79, 24 hour volume: 21826.17994814, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 451.4, 24 hour vwap: 428.525841782
ben_vulpes: ;;sell 10
gribble: (sell <amount> <thing> [at|@] <priceperunit> <otherthing> [<notes>]) -- Logs a sell order for <amount> units of <thing, at a price of <price> per unit, in units of <otherthing>. Use the optional <notes> field to put in any special notes. <price> may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox|bitstamp)(ask|bid|last|high|low|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, low, (1 more message)
TheNewDeal: ;;market sell 10
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4219.4919 USD and would take the last price down to 421.7300 USD, resulting in an average price of 421.9492 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 142.6649 seconds
ben_vulpes: thanks, TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: ;)
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell 2000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 817749.7190 USD and would take the last price down to 400.1300 USD, resulting in an average price of 408.8749 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 153.0889 seconds
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell 10000
TheNewDeal: ;;market sell 2000000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 10000 bitcoins right now would net 3671722.1909 USD and would take the last price down to 270.1200 USD, resulting in an average price of 367.1722 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 162.5575 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 112732.42 bitcoins, for a total of 4941219.5228 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 162.7177 seconds
dub: doit
TheNewDeal: 2 BILLION dollars
ThickAsThieves: to the core!
ben_vulpes: can one model the effect cross-exchange?
ThickAsThieves: one could program it, i dont think gribble has such
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 10 ---market btce
gribble: (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 10 --market btce
gribble: (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --market btce --currency 10
gribble: Error: '10' is not a valid currency code.
dub: ;;market sell 10 [--market btce]
gribble: Error: "--market" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell 10 --market btce --currency USD
gribble: (market sell [--fiat] [--market <market>] [--currency XXX] <value>) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market sell order of <value> bitcoins. If <market> is provided, uses that exchange. Default is Bitstamp. If --currency XXX is provided, converts to that fiat currency. Default is USD. If '--fiat' option is given, <value> denotes the size of the order in fiat.
ThickAsThieves: ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 10
gribble: BTC-E | A market order to sell 10 bitcoins right now would net 4108.8243 USD and would take the last price down to 410.4270 USD, resulting in an average price of 410.8824 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0005 seconds
ThickAsThieves: nppya!
ben_vulpes: wd
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell --market bitstamp --currency USD 1000
gribble: Bitstamp | A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 415085.0852 USD and would take the last price down to 407.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 415.0851 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0463 seconds
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 1000
gribble: BTC-E | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 191.29848 bitcoins, for a total of 77860.4017 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 33.1611 seconds
ThickAsThieves: lol
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 100
gribble: BTC-E | A market order to sell 100 bitcoins right now would net 40860.7184 USD and would take the last price down to 405.9010 USD, resulting in an average price of 408.6072 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 60.6819 seconds
ben_vulpes: ;;market sell --market btce --currency USD 500
gribble: BTC-E | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would sell 191.29848 bitcoins, for a total of 77860.4017 USD and take the price to 0. | Data vintage: 66.5407 seconds
ben_vulpes: apologies for spam.
ben_vulpes: just plotting points.
dub: repent spammar
strtupfndr: so have i told you about this magical aeroplane?
decimation: ;;ident strupfndr
gribble: Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead.
decimation: ;;ident strtupfndr
kakobrekla: asciilifeform no cigar on the .su but i did inject them with JS turning warning the visitors.
gribble: Nick 'strtupfndr', with hostmask 'strtupfndr!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is not identified.
decimation: !up subcreative
strtupfndr: it's got wifi and gpg
decimation: !up subcreative
ben_vulpes: anyways.
kakobrekla: -turning
ben_vulpes: is running a consulting shop and sucking dollars out of shartups a short on the bezzle market?
decimation: ben_vulpes: I suspect this is how most money is 'made' in silly-con valley
ben_vulpes: k
decimation: imagine you just convinced your daddy's golf buddy to give you $100mn in seed money. you are now the 'bitcoin ceo' of your own startup! how do you make your 'idea' work? rent the talent that your roommate from stanford used for his startup!
ben_vulpes: yeah, precisely.
ben_vulpes: "i'll take the cash, you can keep the paper."
decimation: meanwhile hire some 'zeks' and pay the half the median wage for their salary, in exchange for some vague promises of stock
gernika: I am a consultant in silly-con valley
decimation: gernika: is it working for you?
gernika: definitely the way to go IMO
mats_cd03: o boy, Cannacoin
ben_vulpes: i don't really buy that part decimation. the people who do rounds easily understand the problems of shitty software, and are loath to hire zeks at sub market wages.
mats_cd03: save yourselves thousands of hours of dev and just kill it right now
ben_vulpes: which, i guess, is why they come to me. "please write some not shitty software. i'll pay you 1.25x market just so i can keep the paper and the software and not have to manage the zeks."
The20YearIRCloud: zeks? Are those like zergs?
gernika: I don't work with low wage people.
decimation: lol there you go
The20YearIRCloud: decimation: that method works great! (1/50th of the time)
mike_c: ;;market baratio
gribble: Bitstamp | Total bids: 4947423 USD. Total asks: 26576 BTC. Ratio: 186.15534 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 12.5409 seconds
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Sea%E2%80%93Baltic_Canal#Commemoration
assbot: White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
decimation: gernika: how did you manage to establish your bona fides?
The20YearIRCloud: ah very cool
The20YearIRCloud: we have a canal here
The20YearIRCloud: linking the great lakes to the missisippi
kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/t/Ep/47U5DHvV/bbsu.png
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: the midwest was webbed with them until railroads made them obsolete
ben_vulpes: lol wd kakobrekla
gernika: decimation: I slaved at startups for years. Meanwhile my friends were actually making money consulting. I just started working for my friends.
The20YearIRCloud: the one around me was one of the largest canals during the pre-railroad days
The20YearIRCloud: and it's so funny because the canal is so freaking small
The20YearIRCloud: but, if you dug 400+ miles of canal by hand, how far would you really want it?
ben_vulpes: fuck
ben_vulpes: startups
ben_vulpes: so hard
mats_cd03: you sound disgruntled, sir
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: in the UK they still have most of their canals, you can rent a narrowboat and cruise them: http://www.waterwaysholidays.com/
assbot: Canal Boating Holidays. Narrowboat Barge and Norfolk Broads Boat Hire
gernika: I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota than I was working at the big name tech company that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups.
mats_cd03: http://www.woodmann.com/forum/announcement.php?f=55 >> Woodmann about to starve. shame...
assbot: 403 Forbidden
decimation: gernika: I've noticed that it's a common pattern in today's economy: kid goes to work for borg-firm, gives up his flower of youth, and then later finds employment profiting on the idiocy he witnessed earlier
gernika: decimation which is no compensation for giving up the flower of your youth for corporate america sadly
The20YearIRCloud: very cool decimation
The20YearIRCloud: anymore around here people just use the canals for fishing
decimation: gernika: indeed, unfortunately there's no undergrad class on how not to be a chump
ben_vulpes: gernika decimation: there's some value in witnessing the chumpatron from the inside.
ben_vulpes: one must extract it oneself, but...
ben_vulpes: in which scenarios is this not true.
ben_vulpes: s/./?
decimation: in taleb's antifragile, Fat Tony would have said that the chumps wouldn't believe you if you told them
ben_vulpes: wouldn't believe what?
decimation: they wouldn't believe that chumpatrons exist and that they were all likely to enter one
ben_vulpes: ah yeah
ben_vulpes: the house discussion with these people is a great example.
ben_vulpes: "well of course you want to build equity!"
The20YearIRCloud: which people
ben_vulpes: and when you sell your house, do you account for all of the property taxes you've paid over its lifetime? the repairs made? the endless time spent fixing it?
ben_vulpes: keeping the yard looking adequately neat to keep the homeowners association gruntled?
ben_vulpes: tell me - how do you book those expenses, and how do you tally the ROI?
mats_cd03: i was under the impression selling homes is a matter of finding bagholders
mats_cd03: at least in usa
decimation: ben_vulpes: don't forget the usg 'subsidy' of mortgages
gernika: then there's the fact that when your house goes up in value, so does everyone else's, so its not like you can sell it and buy a bigger house. And if you don't buy another house with the proceeds of selling your house, you pay a lot of taxes.
ben_vulpes: i just let the girl paint the walls whatever and book the deposit as a cost of renting.
decimation: gernika: not unless it is your primary residence and your gains are less than $500k (as I recall)
ben_vulpes: breaking news: my little brother just got knocked off his bike
ben_vulpes: nobodycares.com
ben_vulpes: but a hit and run! what assholes.
decimation: call the democratic police, maybe they care
mats_cd03: still whole, i hope?
The20YearIRCloud: mortgage interest can be deducted from taxes
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 423.24, Best ask: 424.54, Bid-ask spread: 1.30000, Last trade: 424.0, 24 hour volume: 21726.76443010, 24 hour low: 407.94, 24 hour high: 451.15, 24 hour vwap: 428.502197043
decimation: ben_vulpes: I think the renting vs. buying thing is a generational shift in the us
decimation: people younger than 40 are seeing how much their parents bought into the 'housing is infinite wealth' idea and they see how they were screwed
decimation: plus many of them bought & were screwed on homes
ben_vulpes: then there's the need to continue paying rent forever.
decimation: you gotta live somewhere
ben_vulpes: sure, but if the point is to eventually own it free and clear and not pay rent, property taxes still count as rent.
ben_vulpes: to me at least.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the cern cabling : part of it is that they know it's gonna fail.
decimation: totally agree, you never 'own' anything in the us
mircea_popescu: if you recall, they failed for years before it even could be powered on
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm not convinced that i can own anything but btc any more.
mircea_popescu: what pcbs.
ben_vulpes: and even that...
mircea_popescu: you can always own a good woman.
decimation: mircea_popescu: but they 'spend' billions of 'money'?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: some guys can
mircea_popescu: decimation money isn't what it used to be.
ben_vulpes: ownership is the hallmark of the elite?
mircea_popescu: the alele elite. fun to say
ben_vulpes: ;;ud alele
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=Ronnie+Alele | by ronnie Alele May 30, 2005 add a video add an image. 2. mana. female genetalia.(pussy). shes got a great mana. mark as favorite buy mana mugs & shirts.
ben_vulpes: http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/PEEPS/williams_grace_alele.html
decimation: I thought you meant allele
ben_vulpes: apropos of naught
decimation: ;;dict allele
gribble: wn: allele n 1: (genetics) either of a pair (or series) of alternative forms of a gene that can occupy the same locus on a particular chromosome and that control the same character; "some alleles are dominant over others" [syn: {allele}, {allelomorph}]
mircea_popescu: each of the genes that could occupy a spot.
mircea_popescu: decimation yup
ben_vulpes: allele
mircea_popescu: http://shrani.si/f/t/Ep/47U5DHvV/bbsu.png << kako in active role.
ben_vulpes: see now i'm in this horrible place where i *think* i know when you've made a mispelling, but then i double guess, then...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes my ll is broken cause spanish. talk to ascillifeform
kakobrekla: email v2.0
ben_vulpes: asheele
mircea_popescu: bitbetmessage
decimation: I thought that definition 2 of the urban dictionary is what you were going after
kakobrekla: lol
decimation: ;;ud mana
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mana | Mana is the founder of Malice Mizer, one of the most well known Japanese visual -kei bands. He is responsible for discovering the all poppular Gackt...
mircea_popescu: anyway, i mostly came back for the lsdcoin discussion
mircea_popescu: what happened to that
decimation: that kinda petered out right as you left
decimation: we've been derping about some technical stuff, gernika, ben_vulpes and I were talking about the silly-con valley employment scam
mircea_popescu: gernika: I am a consultant in silly-con valley << win.
mircea_popescu: as i wallk through the valley of the silly con
gernika: mircea_popescu lol seems to be better than other things I've tried
mircea_popescu: i fear no evil...
kakobrekla: its useless that coin. some btc fan late to the party. and we wont use litecoin that is made to supposedly solve that supposed problem because you cant really smoke 'lite'.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i was going to give it to him slowly, but danielpbarron had to go all teenager hormonal on the nice ppls.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00075023 = 15.6423 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 245 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
thestringpuller: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 300390.52 in 1004 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.01
thestringpuller: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 46 minutes
kakobrekla: you slowly? have you been smoking that thing?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud: zeks? Are those like zergs? << gulag prisoner labor in soviet research.
The20YearIRCloud: ah
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla las chicas wearing me out man
kakobrekla: hehehe
The20YearIRCloud: are my kids candidates for the poster prize thing?
mircea_popescu: not unless you're the sort of guy that makes them pay rent.
asciilifeform: 'zek' ~= 'inmate', from pseudo-abbreviation 'з/к' for 'заключённый' (inmate, 'confined one')
decimation: the canonical book on the topic: http://klassix.net/keith/Kindle%20Backup%202-20-11/documents/First%20Circle,%20The%20-%20Alexander%20Solzhenitsyn.txt
decimation: the wikipedia says that there's an even deeper meaning derived from the beginnings of the gulag system: "A memory of the canal is also preserved in the Russian language, in the words "zeka", "zek, z/k" for "inmate". In Russian, "inmate", "incarcerated" is заключённый (zakliuchyonnyi), usually abbreviated to "з/к" in paperwork, and pronounced as "зэка" (IPA: [zɨˈka], "zeh-KA"), which gradually transformed into "
decimation: зэк" and "зек", zek (both pronounced as IPA: [ˈzɛk]). The word is still in colloquial use. "
asciilifeform: well yes, that.
decimation: "Originally the abbreviation stood for zaklyuchyonny kanaloarmeyets (Russian: заключённый каналоармеец), literally "incarcerated canal-army-man"."
kakobrekla: zek is a rabbit.
asciilifeform: ^ more or less known to everyone who speaks the langauge
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: where?
kakobrekla: well here i guess.
decimation: I find learning another language to be a good way to find out how I am ignorant of things that millions of children know
kakobrekla: or what where
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and not 'zajec' or the like ?
mircea_popescu: they don';t distinguish
kakobrekla: officially, but zek in many dialects
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we don't usually bother to distinguish either.
mircea_popescu: unserious, all of you!
mircea_popescu: decimation: The20YearIRCloud: in the UK they still have most of their canals, you can rent a narrowboat and cruise them: http://www.waterwaysholidays.com/ <<< i did this.
assbot: Canal Boating Holidays. Narrowboat Barge and Norfolk Broads Boat Hire
The20YearIRCloud: Very cool, i imagine it'd be fun
The20YearIRCloud: here people just jetski down rivers :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, the canals here are also preserved. though i bet the neighbours wish someone'd fill them in.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform http://www.zek.si/fresh/exhibition-zek-2012/
assbot: The ZEK Crew » EXHIBITION ZEK (2012)
asciilifeform: they're pestilential cesspools
decimation: mircea_popescu: I haven't done the narrowboats, are they a good time?
mircea_popescu: decimation well that all depends. they're exactly what advertised on tin
mircea_popescu: also did a dudley mines on boat tour thing
decimation: asciilifeform: my favorite quote from "in the first circle": "A familiar figure in many prison research establishments, Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form, put down his nationality not as 'Russian' but as 'zek', had applied his mind to many inventions, from the direct flow boiler to the jet engine, and had put his heart and soul into several of them."
decimation: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the narrowboats are popular with chums who 'pub crawl' on water
mircea_popescu: gernika: I made more consulting for a firm based out of Minnesota than I was working at the big name tech company that acquired a startup I had worked for. So yeah. Fuck startups. << acquihires are usually pitiful affairs that rarely work
mircea_popescu: no idea why they keep doing it
mircea_popescu: decimation kinda what i meant. depends on your crowd. can conceivably be awful, can be pretty fun
mircea_popescu: might also depend on age.
decimation: I wanna ride this device: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkirk_Wheel
assbot: Falkirk Wheel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
gernika: mircea_popescu: agreed. not a viable outcome for employees. Although in my case they kept our product alive until it was killed in a second acquisition so it was sort of a semi-acquihire. Still a complete waste of money.
mircea_popescu: and time.
mircea_popescu: at least quick death is merciful on time
gernika: so true
mircea_popescu: decimation that looks pretty cool.
asciilifeform: 'With an *ugh!* and a groan, and a kick of the heels, / Death comes quiet, or it comes with squeals...'
decimation: asciilifeform: I'm pretty sure the warez book I linked above is a shitty translation
mircea_popescu: re the houseowning discussion : house market is commodified. carrying the cost of inventory makes no sense whatsoever, unless it does. and if it does you want the economies of scale and 100s of unit.s
mircea_popescu: there's this... can't be your own car mechanic. it's just not worth it.
mircea_popescu: similarly, can't be your own landlord. not worth it.
The20YearIRCloud: economies of scale for building or what?
mircea_popescu: sure, some people enjoy, either, as a hobby. some people do their own tattoos.
mircea_popescu: still not a global solution.
decimation: mircea_popescu: there's this thing in American culture that you aren't a 'real person' if you don't 'own' your home
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud no, for administering real estate.
mircea_popescu: decimation there used to be this thing that you're not a real woman if you give good head
The20YearIRCloud: agent or property management?
mircea_popescu: so what of it ?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud the latter.
The20YearIRCloud: yeah, property management is terrible for income
mircea_popescu: try doing it with just one unit.
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, except if you own it
mircea_popescu: it doesn't magically get better if you own it
decimation: 'own'
mircea_popescu: it gets fucking worse.
The20YearIRCloud: the management aspect is pretty easy, not very time consuming. The problem is for an outside manager, the income you can charge is quite low
The20YearIRCloud: Around here it's 8%
mircea_popescu: maintaining a house is a full time job.
The20YearIRCloud: Depends on the house
The20YearIRCloud: we don't spend significant sums of time on upkeep
mircea_popescu: simple question for "homeowners". calculate your per-passerby liability for injury happening on "your" sidewalk. just as a curio.
decimation: 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth'
mircea_popescu: by th time you're done with that, it should be clear why it's not the headache you want.
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: some states/countries exempt homeowners from stuff like that, i know mine does
mircea_popescu: decimation and partially unbounded liability.
decimation: mircea_popescu: in the us you can buy "umbrella insurance" for such a possibility
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud but not from other, similar things.
mircea_popescu: decimation not my point.
mircea_popescu: how do you know you're not getting gypped ?
mircea_popescu: just because you can "buy umbrella insurance" doesn't mean it's not there.
The20YearIRCloud: what things?
mircea_popescu: thw work is still there, even if you piecemeal it away.
decimation: true, somebody pays
The20YearIRCloud: case law in my state is quite favorable to the homeowner for accidents caused on-site
The20YearIRCloud: and the risk factor is quite low when you look at broad groups of data for occurance rates. If it was high then there'd be no one doing management or landlording
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud what happens if you don't get your triannual inspection for electric wires ?
The20YearIRCloud: those don't exist here
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: the real screwjob is trying to insure unoccupied properties
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: don't you need to have an inspector come by before you rent?
The20YearIRCloud: it's hard for homeowners, but with us we have so many properties the insurance company insures all ours as tenant occupeid, whether they're vacant or not
The20YearIRCloud: Nope
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud but my point isn't to any one specific thing. my point is, there's so much nuttery, and so much complexity involved, that in general you're better off letting someone else eat it.
mircea_popescu: to this point there may be exceptions, but i'm not discussiong 1988 elm street, akron, ohio.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud is trying to be that 'someone else', not harry homeowner specifically
mircea_popescu: cuz you know, i can't be bothered to know in that level of detail, cuz my head is otherwise full.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: do you think owning your own home is an awesome deal for the median guy?
mircea_popescu: well he keeps bringing the "we don't have X here". something he's gotta have, what is this, ohiostan ?
The20YearIRCloud: if the average guy has a 15 or 20yr mortgage then yes
mircea_popescu: nah, for the first time buyer.
The20YearIRCloud: I know countless people who are now sitting on near a million dollars of real estate because they own their home and a few others
mircea_popescu: facing the usual 50% divorce rate, and all the jazz
ben_vulpes: <decimation> 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' << fucking bril
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: I heard you could enter the irish lottery too :)
The20YearIRCloud: And the data says that home ownership is pretty beneficial to the holder as long as they can hold it for 10+ years
mircea_popescu: decimation quite my point. sure, it works for some.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud and the average marriage is ?
The20YearIRCloud: Even with depreciation, market swings, taxes, ect
mircea_popescu: 7 years ?
The20YearIRCloud: And a majority of couples in the US no longer marry
mircea_popescu: so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question.
decimation: The thing that the '10 year rule' fails to capture is the opportunity cost of leaving for better opportunities elsewhere, whatever that may be
mircea_popescu: seems a bad equity play.
The20YearIRCloud: And that varies by case decimation
mircea_popescu: decimation no because zek can't leave anyway!
The20YearIRCloud: then what assets do you suggest that you can live in?
decimation: There's no doubt a man needs shelter
mircea_popescu: the fact that i can live in it is about as much a consideration as the notion i could fuck my bonds.
decimation: THe question: does he want to live in his savings account/lotto ticket?
mircea_popescu: sure, i could. what diff does that make! i'll just buy the living separately from investment
The20YearIRCloud: If real estate wasn't profitable, few would be in it
mircea_popescu: few are.
mircea_popescu: and besides, bitcoin is profitable and few are in it
The20YearIRCloud: 70% of americans?
mircea_popescu: the wisdom of the crowd doesn't go too far.
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: many real estate agents don't make jack shit, only the good ones make $$$
The20YearIRCloud: That's the case with virtually any industry that's on comission
decimation: also the market is extremely distorted by USG, which is run by real estate agents and lawyers, who all want to get their piece of the pie
mircea_popescu: strippers make $$$ kinda ll the way to the middle.
The20YearIRCloud: The total spending of the us realestate sector for lobbyists vs the others is pretty slim
mircea_popescu: or at least made, da fuck knows what's it like there anymore.
The20YearIRCloud: and even then, real estate is local based on state law/local laws, the laws I encounter here in ohio are completely different than CA or NY
The20YearIRCloud: And, when you look back on real estate prices in the US from 1880-1920, it still was a pretty stable pricing trend
The20YearIRCloud: and back then the USG had very, very little involvement in the market
decimation: that might be true, but it ain't 1900 anymore
mircea_popescu: not sure how far i'd trust that trend, but anyway.
The20YearIRCloud: Well, since data was collected, it shows itself to be a relatively good investment (not the best mind you) but one that's pretty decenty
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The20YearIRCloud: But , if you're in the mindset that everything is going to collapse imminently, then there's few good investments outside of raw land, weapons and food
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: how would you plan to keep the 'raw land' if you don't have an army to help you?
The20YearIRCloud: Why do you assume I don't have one, nor one could be easily armed/developed?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud that's not the mindset. merely that owning one house is more hassle than its worth
mircea_popescu: if you're going to be into real estate, own multiple.
mircea_popescu: if you can't be bothered to own multiple, rent.
mircea_popescu: the magical "just one house" position is fiction, nonsensical etc.
The20YearIRCloud: And from what i've personally seen, working with people who buy, own ,maintain , manage, get divorced, declare bankrupcy, have their house burnt down, find radon/asbestos/lead paint, that overall real estate isn't a bad investment for your common guy
mircea_popescu: a case of "zero, infinity. no one."
mircea_popescu: well, maybe. i dun see it, but then again, each his own castl.e
The20YearIRCloud: granted my data is from a few hundred homeowners in central Ohio, with a few out of state people as well
mircea_popescu: let's work this another angle.
mircea_popescu: suppose you were a billionaire, and owned a real estate company that owned about ten thousand units on average in each state.
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mircea_popescu: now, would you buy your own house or just use one your company already owns ?
The20YearIRCloud: prolly buy my own
mircea_popescu: well that's that, you've got an aesthetic preference :)
The20YearIRCloud: The guys i know who are in similar positions have done the same
mircea_popescu: so suppose you had that army from ten lines back.
mircea_popescu: would you use it to defend your house or get a different guard for it ?
decimation: The20YearIRCloud: it seems that this could be a 'marketing opportunity' for a real estate baron
The20YearIRCloud: depends on the value of the resources I have ,defendability, ect
The20YearIRCloud: Which specific thing decimation ?
The20YearIRCloud: -
decimation: 'invest in my company, look at my own personal success story, etc'
The20YearIRCloud: Some do that
The20YearIRCloud: kind of what i'm doing
decimation: ownership would assist in the embellishment
decimation: but not required
mircea_popescu: all it needs is some neoprotestant varnish and it could start its own gulch.
The20YearIRCloud: like galts?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: well like whatever chile dudes.
mircea_popescu: or w/e that was
decimation: yeah the one that was a total scam
The20YearIRCloud: i've got many that want to do it
The20YearIRCloud: but it isn't in the cards for 5 years ors o
mircea_popescu: it just occured to me : the berkshire bets happen just as it crossed the 6 months threshold.
mircea_popescu: maybe that's th estory here : bets more than 6 mo out are too far out.
mircea_popescu: http://dollarvigilante.com/blog/2014/8/27/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-on-galts-gulch-chile.html if anyone cares
assbot: The Good, The Bad and The Ugly on Galt's Gulch Chile
The20YearIRCloud: 1st rat to jump ship
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they had good drama.
The20YearIRCloud: recently they have
mircea_popescu: goes with the argentina bashing some other guy was doing linked earlier.
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah
mircea_popescu: for the record, i agree with both negative estimates. it is incredibly stupid to go out in the fucking sticks, if you're on a budget.
decimation: my spindy-sense was tingling when I went to their website a few months ago and they had no details whatever
mircea_popescu: hardy pioneers mosty died there.
mircea_popescu: decimation i was just wtf'ing now, looking at it. really, pictures of one jar of honey, a bunch of SIGNS and a bunch of mountain range ? THAT ?
The20YearIRCloud: in the sticks in a somewhat economically hostile country without quality advisers/professionals to help guide decisions
mircea_popescu: im not paying someone to move ~there~
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud and without an army.
The20YearIRCloud: it'd be like me throwing a dart at a map of Ohio and saying "I'm gonna build an acid plant here, it's sure to make money!"
mircea_popescu: settlement is dubious even when you're settling VETERANS.
mircea_popescu: but these are all practical considerations. i wouldn't do this even as a banal every day person.
mircea_popescu: but for people to try and create a "bitcoin" or "ayn rnd" or w/e community.... this is so idiotic it defies description.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck do you think feminists don't go to hide in utah on a farm ? perhaps because they don't want to end up on the receiving end of the stick, like the mormons ?
mircea_popescu: why do they hide in well populated urban areas ?
mircea_popescu: the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there.
The20YearIRCloud: There are still quite a few hippie communes in the US
The20YearIRCloud: Not huge mind you, but 100-500
mircea_popescu: "Dear Hearts and Gentle People" is a thing for a fucking reason.
mircea_popescu: if you're annoying in a rural setting you get killed.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah, but not on indian land.
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, not on the rez
mircea_popescu: http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-Small-Town-Simple-Minded-People/984101
mircea_popescu: http://www.experienceproject.com/groups/Hate-Small-Town-Simple-Minded-People/61728
mircea_popescu: sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: "I first wrote about La Estancia as being "Galt's Gulch" in 2011. I went on to talk throughout much of early 2012 about how exciting I found the concept and how I would like to do one myself." fucking preachers without a church, teenaged boys trapped in sagging old bodies trying to get patrons to carve them a parish.
mircea_popescu: except instead of addressing the lordship, they swindle innocent old people, the traditional victims of psychopathic piano salesmen.
mircea_popescu: We sat down for dinner in Santiago with John Cobin and his partner who had brought us the property and that's when things started to get strange. Cobin and his partner had some bizarre plan to zone a few thousand acres with 3,000 lots including golf courses, hotels and all manner of grandiose things. They actually had a business plan that went into the billions of dollars in revenue.
mircea_popescu: My first thought was that it would be terrible to turn this serene, perfect mountain valley into a complete suburban-like area. And my second thought was, "3,000 lots? Doug Casey has been operating La Estancia de Cafayate for more than five years and hasn't even sold 200 lots!"
mircea_popescu: Everyone at the table told me that it was a "sure thing" which I found preposterous. But then, Cobin, his partner and Ken started talking about putting a down payment on the property with a "rubber cheque". They were essentially saying that we would give the owner a cheque that had no real money backing it and then raise the funds to buy the property.
mircea_popescu: By that point I had had enough. "I don't do business that way," I said, and nearly got into a fist fight with Ken Johnson over it. However he and the others all assured me that this was "totally normal" in the real estate business to do... and over time they, and especially Ken, talked me into doing it. Ken told me, "this is how the real estate business works."
mircea_popescu: Excited by the property and the potential I decided to trust Ken on his knowledge of how to do real estate deals and we then raised the money with four key investors who we still to this day call "the founders". All were TDV readers and they were excited about the potential.
mircea_popescu: fucktards.
mircea_popescu: listen kids. a) this isn't how any business works ; b) "totally normal" is no argument ; c) don't be this loser. don't be the 9 yo kid telling the tall tale about how you "nearly" got into a fist fight with the bad boys that ruined your sunday clothes.
mircea_popescu: "I was assured that the property could be rezoned (at least somewhat) and that it had water rights and I returned to North America and Ken and I agreed we would be 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for Cobin and his partner and for the founding investors) and I told Ken that I had no time nor qualification to operate or manage a real estate development so he would be the Managing Partner and that th
mircea_popescu: e plan was for us to bring in qualified people to help us develop the property as I brought in the marketing interest for lot purchasers. "
mircea_popescu: 50-50s ar for the qualified people in question. there is NOTHING, nothing at all, no benefit, zero, zilch, gulch for the guys with the "idea" or the "vision". fuck your vision and get lost, it's not worth a cupful of piss.
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Duffer1: 50/50 partners on the deal (with a certain percentage for.. the investors..
Duffer1: i'm sure this all ended well
mircea_popescu: Very quickly after the purchase of the property I received an email from Ken that there was a lot of errors and the property not only can't be rezoned for 3,000 lots but only for 12! And, it had no water rights for much more than 12 livable units!
mircea_popescu: Ken told me it wouldn't be a problem and he'd get it fixed. And, while I had already begun to market the property I was generally okay in knowing that the four founders had bought a large piece of property that, at worst, they could live on and/or resell and no one would get very hurt from this mistake.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 ^ like that.
mircea_popescu: and the bonus being that for all this time HE LIED ABOUT IT
mircea_popescu: now he's spilling the beans. he couldn't do this post that same day.
mircea_popescu: it'd have been "unbusinesslike", because that's "totally normal" in "business".
Duffer1: ha so it was scam from start to finish, but now this dingleberry is blaming "ken"
mircea_popescu: fucking children. where are ye buffett with your "the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America". show them to me baby. what productive ?
mircea_popescu: ingenuity, yes. they're about as ingenue as a 9 year old girl.
Duffer1: we flip burgers good
mircea_popescu: "A few months passed and there wasn't too much developing when I got an email from someone (not even Ken) in June of 2013 that he had just committed to purchase a property with secure water rights near the initial property for over $6 million... and it had to be paid in full within three months!
mircea_popescu: Also, he had hired some sales staff (all TDV readers) and all of them were emailing me telling me that what Ken had just done was crazy and he was trying to get them to sell a property that wasn't owned by GGC without any real details even about the property, how much water or water rights it had and whether it could be rezoned! They all said they were going to quit but Ken had begun to move forward and market it."
mircea_popescu: basically the dollar vigilante thing is going to be prosecuted for fraud next year.
mircea_popescu: the dollar vigilante scam ring *
Duffer1: http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2013/01/glenn_beck_is_planning_a_2_bil.php?page=all
assbot: Glenn Beck is Planning a $2 Billion Libertarian Commune in Texas | Dallas Observer
Duffer1: sure to follow
mircea_popescu: sigh
dub: hey, smaller target to nuke
mircea_popescu: "Since I had already brought in thousands of leads to GGC throughout 2012 and the start of 2013 and Ken had begun to market this new property that GGC didn't even own I was very distressed. However, at the same time, the amount of interest was staggering. I knew there would be demand for a project like this but I was amazed how much interest there was. Ken again told me that this is just how these type of deals are
mircea_popescu: done and that GGC would have no problem pre-selling the lots to pay for the land. He also told me that he had negotiated a deal in such a way that even if the full payment can't be made in time that we could extend it.
mircea_popescu: And so I decided that since I was already roped into this by association I had two choices. To stop promoting GGC and go public with the reasons why I was uncomfortable or to continue to promote it and hope it works. I chose the latter and very quickly money began flooding into the project and I began to think that maybe this would all work out and maybe Ken really knew what he was doing."
mircea_popescu: by the book bitcoin "unintentional" scam this thing.
mircea_popescu: it's incredible just how homologously stupid these derps are.
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asciilifeform: beck gulch << what an old chumpatron, snore
asciilifeform: !s citadel
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asciilifeform: a 'gulch' or 'compound' or whateverthefuck the turdmeister of the day calls it - doubly so if pitched with fanfare to the drooling hordes - is an elementary honeypot, whether deliberately built as such or not.
asciilifeform: anyone who is bedevilled by the question of where amerikanische dept of vaterlandische seekoority is gonna get ten thousand 'terroristes' to hang - that's where.
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vod9DL4IhBM << relevant
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ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iudb0amH0sY << irrelevant
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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes again ?!
mircea_popescu: just curios, anyone remember the scottish attempt to colonise the new world ?
mircea_popescu: was a very similar affair, led by similarly inept cvasi-religious figures without an actual religion. ended up hanging an innocent young english sailor for no particular reason.
BingoBoingo: Oh the Darien!
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/19/ncaa-football-its-week-4-already/
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Duffer1: ;ticker
Duffer1: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.99, Best ask: 406.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 406.0, 24 hour volume: 24319.45764654, 24 hour low: 406.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 425.943838324
Duffer1: almost there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.15 = 1.05 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: 3XX here we come
Duffer1: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.0, Best ask: 400.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 400.0, 24 hour volume: 25747.56203446, 24 hour low: 400.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 424.167684521
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.88, Best ask: 396.7, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 398.3, 24 hour volume: 26795.95626919, 24 hour low: 392.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 423.482238781
punkman: it happened
wyrdmantis: next target $350 ?
xmj: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.01, Best ask: 402.2, Bid-ask spread: 1.19000, Last trade: 402.2, 24 hour volume: 26966.96434580, 24 hour low: 392.0, 24 hour high: 450.73, 24 hour vwap: 423.317480237
wyrdmantis: after re-jump to 420 ?
xmj: dat volatility
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.0007519 = 10.2634 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00075192 = 7.444 BTC [+] {2}
wyrdmantis: volatility on fire
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 51(Y):49(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 24.47471334 BTC. Current weight: 13,700.
wyrdmantis: wtf late betting!
xmj: can someone lend me BTC10'000
xmj: I need to short BTC so I can win money to buy back BTC
xmj: (wait..)
wyrdmantis: lol
Duffer1: pretty sure that 2 btc is gracious donation
ThickAsThieves: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/16481/bitcoin-price-dropped-today/ fukn idiots
assbot: Why The Bitcoin Price Dropped Today – Bitcoin Magazine
Duffer1: lmao wat
Duffer1: we took some lcd and stared at tea leaves for 10 hours straight.. ALIBABA!
ThickAsThieves: shazam!
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $400 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1029/ Odds: 53(Y):47(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 25.47471334 BTC. Current weight: 13,647.
ThickAsThieves: lol!
ThickAsThieves: today will be a fun bitbet support day
punkman: ;;tblb 3600
gribble: The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 3 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes, and 52 seconds
wyrdmantis: Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?
cazalla: such good prices and i have car rego and insurance to pay, such a scam :\
ThickAsThieves: for starters, how do you sell bitcoin the day before and manage to get that cash into your stock account for todday?
ThickAsThieves: what you think this is, bitcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17773 @ 0.00075072 = 13.3425 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.15 = 1.2 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41873 @ 0.00075067 = 31.4328 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 291 @ 0.00540999 = 1.5743 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.156 = 1.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1628 = 0.814 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.1628 = 0.814 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.15 = 2.25 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 20000 @ 0.00003611 = 0.7222 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 134 @ 0.00575101 = 0.7706 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00075278 = 4.2156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49800 @ 0.00074938 = 37.3191 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00074922 = 18.3559 BTC [-] {3}
dub: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 390.0, Best ask: 390.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 390.0, 24 hour volume: 31730.43641858, 24 hour low: 386.03, 24 hour high: 441.3, 24 hour vwap: 416.710163468
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 159 @ 0.13919185 = 22.1315 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00074912 = 22.998 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13519 @ 0.00075102 = 10.153 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that was fucking trippy. so i start irc client, it goes to login,
mircea_popescu: * mircea_popescu already in use. Retrying with ...
mircea_popescu: ;;seen mircea_popescu
gribble: mircea_popescu was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 seconds ago: <mircea_popescu> * mircea_popescu already in use. Retrying with ...
mircea_popescu: meh.
ThickAsThieves: hehe
mircea_popescu: turns out this is what happens when someone tries to squat on your name just before you show up
mircea_popescu: dude these scammorz...
ThickAsThieves: the other day i was imagining that the freenode password reset recommendation they gave was actually nickserv being honeypotted and needing to slurp up passwords
mircea_popescu: me too.
mircea_popescu: (no, i didn't change it. i don't change passwords when a third party says so. i change them when i change them.)
mircea_popescu: !up Anon29486307
ThickAsThieves: i didnt either, not like they can !up anyway
mircea_popescu: the advantage of multi layered security : you get to know what the would-be attacker knows and what he doesn't.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8636 @ 0.00074894 = 6.4678 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15464 @ 0.00074878 = 11.5791 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 49(Y):51(N) by coin, 41(Y):59(N) by weight. Total bet: 16.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 52,350.
kakobrekla: o look below 400
kakobrekla: only 400 to go!
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 395.08, Best ask: 395.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.79000, Last trade: 395.87, 24 hour volume: 34402.70319991, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 412.849427944
mircea_popescu: o hey.
assbot: only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up only
only: thank you. so who's dumping and where do they have their coins from? :)
mircea_popescu: good q.
only: **I wonder
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.15145788 = 0.7573 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: what exchange pulls it down? coinbase?
jurov: or bitstamp?
ThickAsThieves: no one is dumping, china is scamming
ThickAsThieves: i think this is at least partly people subscribing to the whole China does mega% of btc volume lie
ThickAsThieves: so shady exchanges can just manipulate and the rest follow
ThickAsThieves: this probably means well have another gox in the winter/spring
ThickAsThieves: goxing*
ThickAsThieves: to be fair though, i think the same shenanigans are what got us all the major bubbles too
mircea_popescu: won't last that long.
mircea_popescu: well, winter, yea, technically it starts next month
ThickAsThieves: so Scotland missed independence by 6%
ThickAsThieves: they should just split of a country for the guys
ThickAsThieves: off*
ThickAsThieves: the news photos show a bunch of people either very happy or very sad about the vote
ThickAsThieves: but i dont get what would be so exciting about staying
ThickAsThieves: Yes, we dodged independence, I am SO stoked!
chetty: well even staying there are getting more autonomy, no?
ThickAsThieves: dunno
los_pantalones: age distribution is pretty telling,
los_pantalones: 65+ voted heavily to stay
los_pantalones: didn't want to lose their health benefits
los_pantalones: dude tried to bring in 16-18 demographic to fight that
los_pantalones: almost worked
mircea_popescu: quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones normally society has these natural mechanisms to let pressure get out, all involving violence. the english speaking world has been uncannily successful at pluging all of them.
mircea_popescu: i fully expect to see old people hanged for the fault of being old in my lifetime.
los_pantalones: you've seen too much mircea_popescu
los_pantalones: how much more can you see?
mircea_popescu: well that's the problem with the antichrist, not only has it seen it all
mircea_popescu: but is condemned to forever keep on seeing it all again
los_pantalones: http://leaprate.com/2014/09/19/trenton-shavers-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme-lands-him-with-40-million-fine-from-federal-judge-in-texas/
assbot: Trenton Shavers’ Bitcoin Ponzi scheme lands him with $40 million fine from federal judge in Texas | LeapRate
diana_coman: ThickAsThieves it was pretty much like a competition (football match) so they are excited their "team" won
diana_coman: (I'm in the UK, so I saw some of the excitement first-hand)
ThickAsThieves: weird,
ThickAsThieves: i see it as YES voters were trying to hit a target, NO voters trying to dodge a bullet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50600 @ 0.00074884 = 37.8913 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: old folks generally have more to lose in any change in status quo
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 403.97, Best ask: 404.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 403.97, 24 hour volume: 35222.97132326, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 438.88, 24 hour vwap: 410.504446309
mircea_popescu: chetty moreover, old folks are in a better position to understand the futility of change anyway.
chetty: mircea_popescu, that is a whole nother issue, especially since old folks are useless and irrelevant
mircea_popescu: that's okay, everyone is.
kakobrekla: bitbet.su updated their page
kakobrekla: after liek 17 days
kakobrekla: (injection still works ok)
thestringpuller: i still can't reach that page
thestringpuller: now I can
thestringpuller: lol
jurov: kakobrekla: shoulda make the alert in russian, too. and last i checked it did not work
jurov: best to use mat
kakobrekla: dunno, works here
kakobrekla: anyway it wont spit out an address any more, so thats that.
jurov: no popup in firefox not chromium
jurov: *nor
The20YearIRCloud: I'm curious if BTC is gonna stay sub 400 for a while. If it does, our dividends are gonna be stellar
kakobrekla: jurov did you request a deposit address on .su?
kakobrekla: here it works in all ze browsers.
jurov: ah i see. i was thinking the popup was on fromtpage
kakobrekla: that is cached locally with them
kakobrekla: and was 17 days old yest.
kakobrekla: brb
jurov: put there something like "тенто сайт на хуй, исполизоват bitbet.US"
jurov: (hope my broken russian provokes someone to make it better)
mircea_popescu: nahuy part i good.
assbot: only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
assbot: only +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
chetty: !up only
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "20% difficulty increase before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1036/ Odds: 65(Y):35(N) by coin, 63(Y):37(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48041982 BTC. Current weight: 79,149.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.15083333 = 0.905 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: haha assbot doesnt love me anymore
bounce: !up only
bounce: !up only
bounce: assbot is short on memory
bounce: anyway. ``Netropolitan Is Facebook For The Rich, Only A $9000 Fee To Join'' -- gotta be reeech to fall for that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42563 @ 0.0007512 = 31.9733 BTC [+] {2}
pete_dushenski: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321511 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1048 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 15 hours, 11 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35414635579.8 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.7226
mod6: wow
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: quebec was if memory serves 50.5 - 49.5 << ayup. pretty much each and every time they gave it a go
pete_dushenski: anyone else read anna karenina? or seen one of the film adaptations?
pete_dushenski: http://contravex.com/2014/09/19/repeating-anna-kareninas-mistakes/
assbot: Repeating Anna Karenina’s Mistakes | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: there are almost as many films of tolstoy's classic as interpretations.
pete_dushenski: 1935, 1948, 2012.
penguirker: New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/19/repeating-anna-kareninas-mistakes/
mod6: the 2012 film was meh
pete_dushenski: and 1997, 1967
pete_dushenski: mod6: didn't see it
pete_dushenski: can't stand keira knightly
pete_dushenski: the 1935 version was pretty epic
mod6: i'll have to watch that one. i don't think a film could ever do such a book justice.
thestringpuller: nothing is more epic than fritz lang metropolis!
mod6: i'd probably always be disappointed.
pete_dushenski: mod6: perhaps the whole story won't be there in all its intricate detail, but the costume and set design in the 1935 version are truly splendid and well worth the squeeze
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: will have to watch that next!
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Gold above $1300 on October 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1022/ Odds: 13(Y):87(N) by coin, 38(Y):62(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.73414003 BTC. Current weight: 14,878.
thestringpuller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolis_(1927_film)
assbot: Metropolis (1927 film) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mod6: pete_dushenski: werd. i'll check it out.
pete_dushenski: this bitbet.su thing is pretty interesting
pete_dushenski: no small task, that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: remember. only by the one's with the stamps on em
thestringpuller: ;;ud with the stamps on em
kakobrekla: jurov the idea is that if you dont understand the interface, you wont understand the bet and translating bets in generally a bad idea.
los_pantalones: https://twitter.com/_youhadonejob/status/512420686099677184/photo/1
assbot: These people live among us. http://t.co/g3NDcoM0EX
pete_dushenski: los_pantalones: lol!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: decimation there used to be this thing that you're not a real woman if you give good head << missing a "don't" ?
pete_dushenski: what kind of upside down world is it that only unreal women give good brains?
pete_dushenski: in my mind, it's sorta the mark of a real woman.
pete_dushenski: then again, maybe that was the point vis a vis the house ownership dealio
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's a real woman, as self-defined, doesnt give good head
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: <decimation> 'owning' your home is partially renting from the government, partially speculation on mortgage bonds, and partially a 'ticket' to future 'wealth' << fucking bril << mhm.
ThickAsThieves: a real woman as male-defined does
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27202039 BTC to 15`091 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: ThickAsThieves: because a self-defined real woman is good at making money instead?
ThickAsThieves: hmm male- might be too narrow
pete_dushenski: her own, that is
ThickAsThieves: maybe
ThickAsThieves: likely part of it
ThickAsThieves: she's a "man"
ThickAsThieves: and men dont give head
pete_dushenski: right
pete_dushenski: lol exactly
pete_dushenski: nao we're getting somewhere
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.25642428 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 631 satoshi per share
pete_dushenski: in this fairy tale, a real man would therefore be one who is good at dishes and cooking?
ThickAsThieves: very much so
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: perhaps this is why iron chef's are predominantly male...
ThickAsThieves: nah a man will get obsessive about any given hobby
thestringpuller: some girls will too
ThickAsThieves: "girls"
thestringpuller: lol gender roles
xmj: lol boobs what
ThickAsThieves: it's certainly topical
ThickAsThieves: the war on gender identity
xmj: ThickAsThieves: in 2014 there is overall consensus gender and sex are not forcibly equivalent
pete_dushenski: iron chefs being male has nothing to do with any kind of war on nouns
xmj: you can have a virtual dick. or be a physical mangina.
xmj: :]
ThickAsThieves: xmj, but what is not clear is whether that is a good thing
ThickAsThieves: i suspect it is not
pete_dushenski: and everything to do with who is the top of their field
pete_dushenski: as in politics, science, etc.
ThickAsThieves: right, obsessive about our pursuits
xmj: ThickAsThieves: i'm stating facts eh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 1.99324698 BTC to 29`438 shares, 6771 satoshi per share
xmj: ThickAsThieves: the Cathedral defines as overall consensus whatever is in its best interest.
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 45k@282 20k@273 7k@266 | 69k@198 6k@194 12k@190
thestringpuller: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 0 hour(s), 44 minutes
thestringpuller: damn
thestringpuller: not good
thestringpuller: block times on ATC have been pretty high recently
ThickAsThieves: those personality tests need to also start addressing alpha/beta/lonewolf/"man"/"woman"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: you know "the boss"
mod6: yeah, ever since the last diff change
mod6: %
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 301190.90 in 987 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -83.96
mod6: ima reset this bot, got a fix for the pools output
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: nope
thestringpuller: there is always a maternal component to a field
thestringpuller: a woman teaching you is different than a man
xmj: ThickAsThieves: lonewolf is already pretty well established
ThickAsThieves: as?
xmj: sigma
xmj: in PUA lingo
ThickAsThieves: heh, there i go reinventing the wheel again
mod6: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 117.28 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.24 TH/s
xmj: ThickAsThieves: different people call it differently
thestringpuller: damn I wish i had owned hashpower to point at ATC
xmj: i heard of it first as Gamma (somewhere else), in PUA it's called Sigma
mod6: you can rent it at ispace iirc
ThickAsThieves: it's funny i was literally trying to thnk of a name for this 20 min ago
ThickAsThieves: i was like "delta?"
xmj: ThickAsThieves: basically an alpha without a drive to LEAD people and with a drive to be left alone.
xmj: http://krauserpua.com/2012/08/02/this-is-what-sigma-looks-like/
assbot: This is what sigma looks like | Krauser PUA
thestringpuller: ;;ud sigma
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sigma | Member of Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity Incorporated. Founded January 9, 1914 on the campus of Howard University in Washington, DC by the most honorabl...
thestringpuller: boo
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: so you make a commitment to a house that exceeds the commitment you make to the woman in question. seems a bad equity play. << it's a terrible equity play. but plebs don't think in terms of +ev, only in the emotional "nao"
xmj: backing up my claim.
xmj: http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-15157.html
assbot: Sigma, Alpha, or Beta?
xmj: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3008
assbot: Facing your inner alpha
xmj: hey, even ESR has written something on sigmas.
xmj: hm.
xmj: ThickAsThieves: play rubberduck debugging for a second here
xmj: ThickAsThieves: Moving from Sigma to Alpha is realizing that the current social systems suck, that you can do better, and that you will do so by disruption.
thestringpuller: very mp-esque thought process there
thestringpuller: xmj ^
xmj: that was original xmj
ThickAsThieves: well mp is most certainly an alpha
[]bot: Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 2566.68146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,220.
xmj: and i think mp is my hidden evil twin that's why we hate each other so much.
ThickAsThieves: !
xmj: :]
pete_dushenski: aga!
ThickAsThieves: i do believe there is a certain phenomenon about hating your own traits in other people
ThickAsThieves: or at least your own faults
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32133 @ 0.00075133 = 24.1425 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the more annoying you are to larger groups of people, the less advisable it is to go into a fucking ravine. stick to the town, everyone's annoying there. << or why jooz are avowed urbanites.
thestringpuller: oh wo
thestringpuller: w
thestringpuller: people don't have faith in the bitcoin economy anymore :(
xmj: ThickAsThieves: http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/09/17/your-evil-twins-and-how-to-find-them/
assbot: Your Evil Twins and How to Find Them
xmj: ThickAsThieves: what made you think about Sigmas?
chetty: <xmj> and i think mp is my hidden evil twin that's why we hate each other so //how do you know you are not the evil one?
xmj: chetty: read the blog, it doesn't matter who is evil
xmj: and i just might, what with my exposure to neoreactionary thoughts...
chetty: then proper statement would be opposite
xmj: that'd make him the Good person.
xmj: fuck if i know or care.
xmj: :)
kakobrekla: []bot> Bet placed: 250 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment" http://bitbet.us/bet/786/ Odds: 44(Y):56(N) by coin, 60(Y):40(N) by weight. Total bet: 2566.68146022 BTC. Current weight: 44,220. < usg found more coin in the couch?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (44%) on Yes, 1445.6 B (56%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`218 (100`000 to 1)
xmj: hmm
xmj: ThickAsThieves: think some more
xmj: https://dpaste.de/YGzO/raw
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 402.99, Best ask: 403.5, Bid-ask spread: 0.51000, Last trade: 402.99, 24 hour volume: 36387.30268549, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.974711561
thestringpuller: ;;calc 212133.16 / 400
gribble: 530.3329
thestringpuller: ;;calc 314.59764223 * 400
gribble: 125839.056892
thestringpuller: heh
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.08, Best ask: 404.64, Bid-ask spread: 3.56000, Last trade: 401.08, 24 hour volume: 36354.50292038, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.94504521
los_pantalones: thestringpuller what was that calc ?
los_pantalones: ah, nm
los_pantalones: i thought brk was over 220k or something
thestringpuller: los_pantalones: i was just doing some basic arithemetic against the BRK-A bet
los_pantalones: yeah, thought the brk px was off
los_pantalones: but that is correct px
thestringpuller: i was using today's price
thestringpuller: to see btc / brk-a
los_pantalones: yes yes, i thought brk was over 220k
thestringpuller: not yet
thestringpuller: interesting note. recently i realized brk-a has less market cap than AAPL
rithm: i had brain surgery this week
thestringpuller: good to see you are well and on irc rithm
rithm: aww even if i died my bouncer is paid up for some time
rithm: thanks though!
thestringpuller: as lupe fiasco says
thestringpuller: money ain't shit when there is wealth next to it
thestringpuller: wealth ain't shit when there's health next to tit
thestringpuller: as such i am thankful for your health good sir!
[]bot: Bet placed: 4 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 59(Y):41(N) by coin, 49(Y):51(N) by weight. Total bet: 20.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 52,003.
kakobrekla: it will tell us about 4 btc but not 250 ?
kakobrekla: ah
kakobrekla: still using twitter
los_pantalones: there was 250 on X under 350 ?
kakobrekla: see last 2 http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/#b199
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (40%) on Yes, 1695.6 B (60%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`211 (100`000 to 1)
los_pantalones: ah, more
los_pantalones: MP goin the other way ?
punkman: 150% profit on the original 1000, that's gonna be nice
jborkl: los_pantalones> MP goin the other way ? <-- I think he goes both ways actually
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00075278 = 3.6886 BTC [+]
mats_cd03: i think he made it pretty clear he wasnt going to hedge
mats_cd03: correct me if im wrong
los_pantalones: yes, just tryin to poke and rile
jborkl: oh, I thought we were talking about something else
los_pantalones: \trombone sound
mircea_popescu: jesus gribble's slow.
fluffypony: ikr
mike_c: man, if i ran a site called bitcoin news i would be knocking down bitbet's door to get an interview about this huge bet going on.
mircea_popescu: mike_c what if you ran the bitcoin chamber of commerce ?
mats_cd03: that sounds like an interesting enterprise i'd like to be a part of.
mike_c: if i ran the chamber of commerce i likely have already written a dozen articles about bitbet :)
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 she's reasonably hot twist, for as long as that lasts.
penguirker: New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/so-the-dollar-vigilante-scam-ring-is-going-to-jail/
mircea_popescu: the beauty of liquidity : bitbet can actually cover any bet at the stated odds well up to 100 BTC.
mircea_popescu: where else can you drop 50k on a side and not appreciably swing the odds.
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean where else in bitcoin. i mean, where else in vegas)
los_pantalones: larger bets in vegas they make you walk up to the window to get a special quote
los_pantalones: and they try to profile you and fade your ass
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: this is well revolutionary, im noteven sure the chinese have access to such performance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the adonis-number needs a footnote probably
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it does, but im not giving it. let the wise have an easter egg.
jborkl: point taken mike_c, the bet resolves so far out I have just been waiting
mike_c: but the story is hot now. 1500 BTC bet short on bitcoin sounds like a juicy headline.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0075 = 0.75 BTC [+]
jborkl: yes it is , the amount has become very large. Let me get the basis of the article together and I will come back for more details and opinions
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: adonis << gonna be me, you, and that one other russian fellow who gets it..
mike_c: jborkl: totally unsolicited advice: interview format might be good for this one.
mircea_popescu: mike_c im not even sure what it's short on. but prolly bitcoin more than berkshire atm.
mircea_popescu: than long berkshire*
mike_c: certainly
mike_c: berkshire is a constant
mircea_popescu: not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc.
mircea_popescu: in finance there's no constants. just vairables with the appearance of constance in context.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perfect.
mircea_popescu: (also anyone who reads the logs, which by now is tens of thousands of people)
los_pantalones: the trade pays in bitcoin
los_pantalones: not sure either side is short bitcoin
mircea_popescu: yeah he can be somewhat short bitcoin but not THAT short
mircea_popescu: i suppose the statement would be "someone who's short the "up up up!" "
los_pantalones: or lookin for cheap brk-a exposure
mircea_popescu: actually, maybe he's shorting brk-a and looking for cheap insurance.
mircea_popescu: this could be a structured deal
los_pantalones: lots of uses when there is good liquidity
mircea_popescu: if he wrote brk-a puts and he somehoiw has a default bitcoin put by some reason (say, the reason being large holdings) then this is a +ev move
mike_c: this is nuts: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/786/ you could drop 5,000 btc on either side and get decent returns.
assbot: Bet 786 Analysis - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment - Btc Alpha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 77 @ 0.0104245 = 0.8027 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: except the problem is i don't see any large march brk puts hgaving happened this week
mircea_popescu: course it could be otc.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's not even half of it. even 1k on either side wil probably draw reaction. i'd guess if you drop 5k on a side you'll get more volume on the other just on general principle.
mike_c: definitely.
mircea_popescu: it is after all 6 month out
mircea_popescu: that 50 btc diff bet ended up 800 btc on the winning side two weeks out.
asciilifeform: buterin's waterfall - going strong.
mike_c: ;;calc 2816 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 1128821.76
mircea_popescu: teh million dollar bet ?
mike_c: for now
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 401.77, Best ask: 402.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 402.92, 24 hour volume: 34354.57634559, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 408.704816241
mircea_popescu: !up Nick___
Nick___: Hello
mircea_popescu: mike_c BITCOIN CAN ONLY GO UP NOOB
mike_c: heh, yeah. i meant it will be millions plural once btc goes up and people flood into yes.
Nick___: I am looking for some help. One of the winning bets that closed on bitbet did not pay out to my addresses, looking for someone to look into it. Can anyone help?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00075104 = 15.922 BTC [-] {2}
Nick___: mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: Nick___ specifically ?
mircea_popescu: (you can link to individual bets directly, do that)
Nick___: http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
mircea_popescu: yes, but which one ?
Nick___: hold on one sec
Nick___: do you want the addresses i paid into or the ones i'm supposed to be paid out of?
mike_c: Nick___: which bet was yours? hover over the 'time' column to get a link to the bet.
Nick___: http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/#b5
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
Nick___: and http://bitbet.us/bet/1005/russia-or-ukraine-formally-declares-war-on-the/#b6
assbot: BitBet - Russia or Ukraine formally declares war on the other before September :: 0.03 B (12%) on Yes, 0.22 B (88%) on No | closed 6 days 17 hours ago
mircea_popescu: Nick___ i see. looking into it.
Nick___: thanks mate
mircea_popescu: Nick___ seems a tx failed to propagate properly. sorry for the inconvenience. will be rebroadcast presently. thanks for reporting.
Nick___: thanks mate, no problems
Nick___: just glad you run a stand up site
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3QCXTRX.txt )
ben_vulpes: !b 5 ✂︎
mircea_popescu: i don't run it, kako does. i just get the cookies :D
Nick___: all the same, my compliments
mircea_popescu: see kakobrekla, this is how cumstomer support is done, not the stuff you do!
kakobrekla: it gets worse.
asciilifeform: http://cryptome.org/2014/09/cia-treason-psychology.pdf << mega-lol
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: heya MP
BlueMeanie4: hows things in bitcoin-assets land?
mircea_popescu: not so bad. berkshire making waves today.
mircea_popescu: did you forgot how to selfvoice meanwhile btw ?
BlueMeanie4: the real berkshire?
mircea_popescu: well the bet.
BlueMeanie4: hmm im a bit confused
Duffer1: has anyone stepped up to claim the massive no bets?
jurov: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block: 1 hour(s), 22 minutes
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 not so far.,
jurov: that's cuz i made a testing tx
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (40%) on Yes, 1695.6 B (60%) on No | closing in 4 months 4 weeks | weight: 44`196 (100`000 to 1)
BlueMeanie4: you were placing bets on Berkshire?
mircea_popescu: !up Masterbill
BlueMeanie4: ah
BlueMeanie4: were at an interesting impasse with BTC
BlueMeanie4: basically all the altcoins are pathetic jokes
Masterbill: Haha Hey guys!
BlueMeanie4: btc has its warts for sure
mircea_popescu: ;;calc sqrt(226**2 + 203**2)
gribble: 303.784463066
BlueMeanie4: whats that the fibonacci pattern for btc?
mircea_popescu: nah some eulora mining math
mircea_popescu: chetty is valliantly fighting the engines
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones omg no rate ? what is this!
los_pantalones: on you? no reciprocation ?
los_pantalones: i'll do now, i'm a selfish person
mircea_popescu: ::rate los_pantalones 0 selfish person!1
bounce: .oO( pot & kettle sitting in a tree... )
los_pantalones: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognasticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
los_pantalones: qua?
mircea_popescu: you can't have misspellings.
los_pantalones: makese sense
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00075031 = 10.6169 BTC [-]
los_pantalones: ;;rate 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
gribble: Error: 'fearless' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: :D
los_pantalones: christ almighty
mircea_popescu: ahh this was worth it.
los_pantalones: haha, firshir
mircea_popescu: ::rate los_pantalones 3 public accidents in tight pants
los_pantalones: there he is
los_pantalones: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 fearless prognosticator and champion whack-a-mole'r
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mircea_popescu has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: aww so soon
los_pantalones: \sigh
artifexd: lol
los_pantalones: https://twitter.com/jgarzik/status/489426693044436992
assbot: Edward Snowden should not face trial, says UN human rights commissioner http://t.co/CUuhDLnWVu
los_pantalones: just trollin for info on bluemeanie and came across that
mircea_popescu: !s from:BlueMeanie4
assbot: 541 results for 'from:BlueMeanie4' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3ABlueMeanie4
BlueMeanie4: something you want to know?
BlueMeanie4: its someone frightening that we form our entire opinion of someone these days by what shows up on google
asciilifeform: 'This content has been removed as our copyright has expired.' << lol! wtf
BlueMeanie4: wasnt the internet supposed to relieve us of this sort of thing?
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well i wouldn't imagine it'd be the entire opinions
Duffer1: there's always usenet <3
mircea_popescu: !up Nick___
BlueMeanie4: Google has become WAY too powerful
mircea_popescu: you need a wot account and then a rating from someone in assbot's trust list to be able to self voice.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 word.
BlueMeanie4: ppl think they are the last word on anything
mircea_popescu: either that or wikipedia
BlueMeanie4: meanwhile it's got NSA and friends written all over it from day one.
mircea_popescu: which is actually worse.
BlueMeanie4: for sure
mircea_popescu: Nick___ see http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
BlueMeanie4: i noticed wikipedia's slow demise at least 5 years ago
BlueMeanie4: its hard to see, but it's very biased
BlueMeanie4: the truth has been written down many times, the technology we used to write it wasn't the problem :)
asciilifeform: http://www.jackpair.com << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness... ☟︎
assbot: JackPair
punkman: http://www.soldatiki.su/data/b111_10_05.jpg
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
mircea_popescu: punkman not bad.
BlueMeanie4: re. that Berkshire bet
BlueMeanie4: it should be calculated according to total market cap , no?
mircea_popescu: hm ?
BlueMeanie4: per share? what if theres a split?
mircea_popescu: it says it will see through splits and distributions
asciilifeform: aaaand now we can add Salsa20 to the list of 'unsavoury' algos...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28977 @ 0.00075048 = 21.7467 BTC [+] {2}
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu brk-a splits and you win ?
los_pantalones: want buffet's number ?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones sees through.
mircea_popescu: you're familiar with the legal concept right ? "court will see through the veil" device in bankruptcy, probate and so forth.
kakobrekla: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds
jurov: <mircea_popescu> not necessarily. guy's old, he might die etc. <<< lol bitbet became assassination market >:D
mircea_popescu: jurov oh for crying out loud.
BlueMeanie4: there are some real dangers were facing with these things
BlueMeanie4: seems these perpetual adolescents who browse 4chan think an anonymous assassination market would be real swell
mircea_popescu: not so sure about that.
los_pantalones: why is that a real danger ?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones well cause it's still cheaper to kill a guy than to annimate a corpse.
BlueMeanie4: if you cant see the obvious problem with that im not going to run down that road with you
mod6: <+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!
mircea_popescu: mod6 blockchain is dead for ~6 hours too.
kakobrekla: nope, its actually 12 hrs
mircea_popescu: lol
BlueMeanie4: or maybe we can pool our money and have your unpopular opinion elimated for good if you catch my meaning?
kakobrekla: aww
rithm: blockchain.info #1 super trust
chetty: <mod6> <+gribble> Time since last block: 6 hours, 55 minutes, and 34 seconds << this can't really be right is it?!/7 miners on strike?
mod6: wtf
rithm: gribble needs to use chain API and join the VC shill rtevolution amirite
kakobrekla: terrible lag inhere or is it just me
los_pantalones: BlueMeanie4 the probability of you being successful in this endeavor is not 'real danger'
mircea_popescu: mod6 i dunno, they failed. the blockchain seems just fine of itself.
mod6: i had some bad before, its ok for me now. we need irc.bitcoin-assets.com
rithm: mod6 accidentally a word
BlueMeanie4: hold on so its not dangerous because 'the market' will weed out any undesirable assassinations?
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones how do you quantify that ?
mod6: rithm: huh?
BlueMeanie4: every person can have an entry on the block chain that indicates the current value of their life
los_pantalones: yes, perceived and real are different
los_pantalones: quantifying stuff like that usually tends towards looking at willingness to pay for insurance and other similar protections
BlueMeanie4: therefore if you dont have a high life-value rating, you shouldnt express your opinions
BlueMeanie4: otherwise its cement shoes for you! yay lolbertarianism
rithm: <mod6> i had some bad <insert subject here, i assume lag> before, its ok for me now. we need irc.bitcoin-assets.com </grammarnazi>
mod6: oh ya, thx.
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 it would put a lot of pressure on coallescing lordships
BlueMeanie4: it would? the lords are the ones with the money remember?
mircea_popescu: "you can speak whatever you wish as long as the duke of parma protects you"
rithm: so BlueMeanie4 is cool
mircea_popescu: sorta like 1400 all over again.
BlueMeanie4: i cant wait
mircea_popescu: well it was a time of great art.
BlueMeanie4: that was my favorite medieval century
chetty: haha I can see it now, those who want one alive bidding against those who want one dead, what fun
BlueMeanie4: especially the part about burning heretics at the stake
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 well, only the annoying ones :D
mircea_popescu: or i guess the poor ones
BlueMeanie4: like Galileo
mircea_popescu: or the women that didn't suck cock well enough.
BlueMeanie4: he was so annoying
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 he died in his bed you know.
BlueMeanie4: everyone knows that if you keep sailing west you will fall off the edge of the world and dragons will eat you
mircea_popescu: how did you get the idea galileo burned ?
BlueMeanie4: no excommunicated
BlueMeanie4: youre correct on that
rithm: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCKKHcpf0w
assbot: Bill Burr Explains Why Yoko Ono Sucks - YouTube
mircea_popescu: precisely because of the protection of the duke of toscana
BlueMeanie4: ok so we still think anonymous assassinations are great?
mircea_popescu: we never thought that.
mircea_popescu: you just did a poor job of arguing against them :)
los_pantalones: i took umbrage with your use of the word 'real'
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 this is basically like smbc's technicality club. you can easily end up hammered into the dirt for having used the wrong adjective.
ben_vulpes: re working at derpy shartups: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=u7tLFmD8
mircea_popescu: as correct as otherwise your position may be.
rithm: http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/tcv
assbot: Token Controlled Viewpoint (TCV) Genesis, Characteristics and Early Use Cases | Lets Talk Bitcoin
rithm: channel needs token society
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a crypto for black kids.
rithm: pre-sale of exclusivity tokens
rithm: * > ethereum is the new litmus test
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how dumb it is, i didn't read.
rithm: create your own altcoin, just to be allowed access to the forum, secret societies forming and such
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, they're smoking crack over at blockchain.info, btc.blockr.io shows 321555: http://btc.blockr.io/api/v1/block/info/last
mod6: ~4 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/billion-dollar-bet/ << your dream came true ?
assbot: BitBet - Billion dollar bet? :: 1 B (100%) on Yes, 0 B (0%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 99`989 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33800 @ 0.00075301 = 25.4517 BTC [+] {2}
rithm: wtf bet
los_pantalones: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=150803.msg8891220#msg8891220
assbot: BFL fucks us over again
los_pantalones: raided
los_pantalones: supposedly
mircea_popescu: oh ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/
assbot: Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: check me out, i'm so prepared :D
los_pantalones: fearless prognosticator
mod6: so in #altcoin, i added an undocumented command to query btc.blockr.io for the last block time + last block number, looks like this: Time Since Last BTC Block (321557): 0 hour(s), 7 minutes
mod6: let me know if you want me to add it to atcbot and I will.
ben_vulpes: rithm: steady state is an altcoin for everyone
rithm: mircea_popescu: href typo -> involuntary humor http://mpex.wsdtng/c/src/135778037437.png
rithm: not sure what's going on there
rithm: some sort of / root path implication
rithm: either way, i can't see the porn
mircea_popescu: there is no pron
rithm is saddened
ben_vulpes: bwahahahat is going on there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00075063 = 16.9267 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet created: "Gold above $1200 on November 1st" http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/
[]bot: Bet created: "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 100(Y):0(N) by coin, 100(Y):0(N) by weight. Total bet: 1 BTC. Current weight: 99,977.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2.25 BTC for Yes on "Alibaba IPO mkt cap over $150B end of opening day" http://bitbet.us/bet/1019/ Odds: 86(Y):14(N) by coin, 72(Y):28(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.36874888 BTC. Current weight: 17,157.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $350 before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1034/ Odds: 61(Y):39(N) by coin, 51(Y):49(N) by weight. Total bet: 21.70228689 BTC. Current weight: 51,711.
mircea_popescu: lol watch out, the catchup begins
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> http://www.jackpair.com << we love mitm! and prng; and luser-phriendliness... << Amazing Honeypot
assbot: JackPair
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin over $600 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1025/ Odds: 16(Y):84(N) by coin, 32(Y):68(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.86810627 BTC. Current weight: 3,359.
devthedev: Good afternoon everyone
thestringpuller: GOOD NEWS EVERYONE
thestringpuller: free cookies for everyone
bounce: hungry now.
los_pantalones: http://coinfire.cf/2014/09/19/developing-story-usms-ftc-raid-butterfly-labs/
assbot: Developing Story: USMS and FTC Raid on Butterfly Labs - Coin Fire
devthedev: Well it's about time
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 321511 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1048 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 15 hours, 52 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35265697094.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 18.22331
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 268454074.757
The20YearIRCloud: usms?
mircea_popescu: us marshals
BingoBoingo: Is this why they can't release auction results?
mircea_popescu: different ones.
mircea_popescu: why are all the dudes in the (stock i presume ?) coinfire illustration fat
The20YearIRCloud: 'Merica?
los_pantalones: 'muricah
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: cookies?
los_pantalones: record corn crop this year, bitbet on 'muricah gaining avg 10lbs next year ?
mircea_popescu: too hard to measure.
mircea_popescu: besides, don't they make ethanol ?
los_pantalones: not really
los_pantalones: most corn -> HFCS
ben_vulpes: well, crappy ethanol
ben_vulpes: that is then shipped to S.A. for their "high grade" ethanol
ben_vulpes: great big fuck off tankers carrying the same shit passing in the night...
The20YearIRCloud: Really has nothing to do with HFCS and the fact that americans consume tons of sugar/carbs with low-ish exircise
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?
mircea_popescu: you can trivially distill ethanol, what's this grade busness ?
The20YearIRCloud: in my area virtually all corn from one county goes to ethanol, and they don't grade it
The20YearIRCloud: Allthe corn in the US produced this year will go to raise more beef for next year, as beef prices are astronomical
mircea_popescu: argentina plans to not export any this year
mircea_popescu: which seems crazy.
The20YearIRCloud: joy
The20YearIRCloud: Wonder how much that'll push inflation
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: yes i will be shipping cookies soon.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: some usians claim that some kinds of ethanol burn more "cleanly" than others.
mod6: %tslb
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45385): 0 hour(s), 17 minutes
mod6: %tslb_btc
atcbot: Right now!
ben_vulpes: %tslb_btc
atcbot: Right now!
kakobrekla: fast blocks
ben_vulpes: guessing it rounds to minutes?
mod6: the website says "right now" too, so it looks correct to me on that last one
kakobrekla: see, you dont need cannacoin
jborkl: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-betting-site-bitbet-us/
assbot: Bitcoin betting site Bitbet.us, over $1 million on one bet |
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00075045 = 10.5438 BTC [-] {2}
jborkl: if anyone has opinions on it please later tell me, I constatly fix things
asciilifeform: bfl assets seized << so, ft meade semiconductor plant is behind schedule, gotta 'steal candy from baby' now ?
BingoBoingo: Looks that way
artifexd: ;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
artifexd: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'artifexd', with hostmask 'artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfmpjndnxxclhbjm', is not identified.
artifexd: ;;eauth artifexd
gribble: Request successful for user artifexd, hostmask artifexd!sid28611@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nfmpjndnxxclhbjm. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/11D1433947A3327A
artifexd: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:a8e872c5fd617f835565a25b959766a3653ae4129b752735e66611b3
gribble: You are now authenticated for user artifexd with key 11D1433947A3327A
artifexd: ;;rate nubbins` 2 Produces quality stuff but don't let him wrap Christmas presents unless you want to spend days unwrapping
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nubbins` has changed from 1 to 2.
artifexd: ;;later tell nubbins` The poster is beautiful. Thanks!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 24h-Vol: 32k High: 266 Low: 198 VWAP: 216
BingoBoingo: %v
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 198 Ask: 266 Last Price: 198 30d-Vol: 173k 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 188
mod6: %tslb_btc
atcbot: Time Since Last BTC Block (#321570): 0 hour(s), 18 minutes
BingoBoingo: Nice
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 131.94 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> bfl assets seized << all pointers seem to indicate the forum post is a prank.
mircea_popescu: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 8 hours, 41 minutes, and 49 seconds
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's going on there, miner down ? or we on invisible pool ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Our pools' still not on the bot
assbot: P2Pool
asciilifeform: prank << ah well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34837 @ 0.00075026 = 26.1368 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.84, Best ask: 400.74, Bid-ask spread: 0.90000, Last trade: 400.74, 24 hour volume: 31890.07768146, 24 hour low: 378.78, 24 hour high: 436.85, 24 hour vwap: 404.276161033
mircea_popescu: so 4 is this new 5 ? i don't like this fortran.
BingoBoingo: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/09/19/apples-dangerous-game/
assbot: Apple’s dangerous game - The Washington Post
Duffer1: govt will just invoke patriot act and require them to backdoor it
mthreat: From two days ago: https://twitter.com/alansilbert/status/512344713995628545
assbot: Double bottom? /hashtag/oversold?src=hash /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
mthreat: That's the problem with double bottoms... they always look like double bottoms at first.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 111 @ 0.14267264 = 15.8367 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: !up tatonaplane
tatonaplane: dude that apple article...
BingoBoingo: Dude, you are on a plane
tatonaplane: I thought unwashed reading bitcoinmagazine for a sec
tatonaplane: lol
tatonaplane: unwashed=I was
ben_vulpes: zidarski on apple's seekyooritee: http://www.zdziarski.com/blog/?p=3875#more-3875
assbot: Your iOS 8 Data is Not Beyond Law Enforcement’s Reach… Yet. | Jonathan Zdziarski's Domain
ben_vulpes: nb, have not read yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40719 @ 0.00074981 = 30.5315 BTC [-] {2}
dub: like apple user doesnt secretly want her nude selfies leaked online
mod6: ya srsly
[]bot: Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Billion dollar bet?" http://bitbet.us/bet/1047/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.06 BTC. Current weight: 99,913.
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/bitcoin-betting-site-bitbet-us/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39200 @ 0.00074923 = 29.3698 BTC [-] {2}
penguirker: New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/19/the-newest-biggest/
BingoBoingo: http://www.mail-archive.com/picolisp@software-lab.de/msg04823.html
assbot: Announce: PicoLisp in Hardware (PilMCU)
mircea_popescu: <mthreat> That's the problem with double bottoms... they always look like double bottoms at first. << word.
mircea_popescu: wtf is scoop.it
mircea_popescu: <dub> like apple user doesnt secretly want her nude selfies leaked online << you mean the photoshopped nudies hackers obsessed with her made ?
BingoBoingo: %p
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 168.59 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.16 TH/s
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/1046/gold-above-1200-on-november-1st/#c3959 ?
assbot: BitBet - Gold above $1200 on November 1st :: 0.06 B (10%) on Yes, 0.54 B (90%) on No | closing in 4 weeks 1 day| weight: 99`341 (100`000 to 1)
kakobrekla: what, they are right there?
mircea_popescu: ah my bad
mircea_popescu: so BABA mkt cap close to 1/4 trillion ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 14 @ 0.064 = 0.896 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: who knew we'll live in the time of such richness.
mircea_popescu: i remember seeing films which thought 1mn dollars was a fabulous reward
mircea_popescu: !up Jamesonwa
BingoBoingo: I'm off for a bit. If I'm not back by Monday... maybe worry I've been captured.
mats_cd03: kek
kakobrekla: http://bitzuma.com/posts/blockchain-info-paper-backup-stores-private-keys-in-the-browser-history/
assbot: Blockchain.info Paper Backup Stores Private Keys in the Browser History - Bitzuma
kakobrekla: hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.0007494 = 11.7281 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: web wallets are such a winningful idea.
ben_vulpes: get outa hea!
kakobrekla: seems ok that bitzuma, on the first glance