mircea_popescu: but if it makes you feel any better, they were never populat here. not that ct ever was.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 99 @ 0.04203706 = 4.1617 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: cedivad: Barber claimed that they were payments to suppliers, but he has still to prove that. << that'd be unlikely. depends a lot of the jurisdiction and everything, but in general speaking the manager can just say "we have no more money" and that's that. he doesn't have to prove how he spent it. you may prove he misspent it and then it could escalate to fraud, but in general, in a bankruptcy, a manager is not going t
mike_c: knc, relatively speaking, is on the ball. last week they shipped (300 x 3) = 900 TH/s, and a similar amount over the next week.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00077799 = 11.5143 BTC [-]
mike_c: in other news, over *twenty* petahashes have come online in the last week or so
mike_c: where is it coming from??
mircea_popescu: by mid summer every government with pretensions will be mining.
mike_c: who else could it be. this is serious horsepower.
mike_c: hey TheNewDeal. by the way. don't bet against difficulty.
mircea_popescu: mike_c people interested in mysteries will now go into the logs to see when i first made certain unsubstantiated claims and then apply engineering timeframes to the window ellapsed.
mike_c: plus, it's easy now! search.b-a ftw
mircea_popescu: yeah, quite a while ago. enough to ship 3 generations of cardano :D
TheNewDeal: mike_c why did this need to be repeated?
TheNewDeal: I thought that you and BB were betting against, and I was for 14B
mike_c: seemed relevant. not a dig.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "Germany will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage"
http://bitbet.us/bet/931/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.82942216 BTC. Current weight: 16,720.
TheNewDeal: I'll get in your trust network sometime
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00077486 = 8.6009 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5 BTC for No on "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage"
http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.27207284 BTC. Current weight: 16,620.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for Yes on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7"
http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 92(Y):8(N) by coin, 88(Y):12(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.83257221 BTC. Current weight: 54,944.
cazalla: bitcoinpete: fwiw, i was going to bet on the same one but didn't as i thought it was borderline and likely to be refunded
mircea_popescu: dun worry, this is just to give them a false sense of security.
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Portugal will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage"
http://bitbet.us/bet/932/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.63982192 BTC. Current weight: 16,591.
TheNewDeal: who was the better with the idea to keep bets going until the last moment?
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.93 BTC for No on "South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage"
http://bitbet.us/bet/937/ Odds: 9(Y):91(N) by coin, 29(Y):71(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.20207284 BTC. Current weight: 16,528.
TheNewDeal: ooooh getting me excited for my rock climbing trip next weekend
cazalla: you're climbing a rock monyanna?
TheNewDeal: I'm rock climbing around 4th of July weekend. not next
TheNewDeal: pretty disappointed that I wasn't the winner of the bitbet adjudicating record with my bitcon price above $525 in may bet. seems like there was a little bit of leniency with this sports bets with the date adjustments
TheNewDeal: in bitcoinpetes blog it looked like you said you or kako had never adjudicated on a bitbet
cazalla: betting mid game of 3rd match is still a risk though if it's an hour until the block is confirmed, that's the other reason i avoid mid game bets
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal well, it's the mod's job. they normally do a good job of it, but not always.
assbot: The anatomy of a disaster pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
TheNewDeal: should have made a bet that was "bitbet will allow another negative bet"
TheNewDeal: latest urge to impulse bet is the FHM bet. Last year's sum was so high!
TheNewDeal: well not super high, but the winners made like 3X payout.
cazalla: TheNewDeal: do you bet to have some fun with it type shit or are you the sorta guy that knows the bounce you get off different sort of wood on basketball courts?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19489 @ 0.00077654 = 15.134 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: well I played basketball and up until 8th grade and wasn't good enough to make it on the freshman team
TheNewDeal: I'm the type of person that stays away from everything at the casino that designed to make you lose on purpose, and heads straight to the poker tables
assbot: BitBet - Block 315k mined on or before July 28th :: 0.44 B (5%) on Yes, 8.39 B (95%) on No | closing in 2 weeks 5 days | weight: 15`645 (100`000 to 5`000)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00077355 = 10.0562 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: but I knew what the return would be. I also looked at the return for people who might have a much larger BTC stake than myself
TheNewDeal: was quite sure that no larger bets would come on the same side. Made sure that the outcome was a rare event, and felt very confident in betting
assbot: BitBet - Difficulty at block 302,400 over 10 billion :: 0.05 B (11%) on Yes, 0.43 B (89%) on No | closed 1 month 1 week ago
cazalla: shame more people didn't bet on that prop though
TheNewDeal: very poorly designed bet if I might add
cazalla: i'm hoping a win on the knc bet but expect to lose given criteria even though they've begun shipping
TheNewDeal: well don't they also have to perform to spec?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin price above $525 before May :: 10.29 B (87%) on Yes, 1.51 B (13%) on No | closed 2 months 1 week ago
TheNewDeal: I guess it wasn't really that large though if you add in my late bet that was refunded as well
kakobrekla: bitcoinpete did like 30% in less than an hour ?
TheNewDeal: well thats pretty fucking fantastic if you ask me
TheNewDeal: I'm trying to get away from the risky bets myself
TheNewDeal: played too much with the price bets when I started and just ended up making little for risking lots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00077394 = 6.0367 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: On a slightly different topic. Was the Nanking massacre related to the Treaty of Versailles ? Was talking about the Nanking massacre just the other day at work with someone, he was talking about the Nazis being involved, and I didn't realize Germany had given Japan some land in China a couple decades before
assbot: 7 results for 'tumblr.com' - #bitcoin-assets search
assbot: 44 results for 'tumblr' - #bitcoin-assets search
mthreat: the former is not indexed yet
mthreat: I indexed an hour or so ago
mircea_popescu: i think there's some sort of funk in url tokenization maybe
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
mthreat: ah yeah. "tumblr.com" matches 7 because those 7 have "/tumblr_xyz" in the url, which gets tokenized so it has the token "tumblr"
mthreat: ^ wait nevermind what i just said
assbot: S.WOL last @0.00000000
mthreat: mircea_popescu: yeah it looks like url tokenization just isn't very smart
mthreat: mircea_popescu: best bet is probably use: tumblr*
gribble: You rated user mike_c on Tue May 27 19:08:51 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Model blogger, dev..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard on Bitcoin media.
gribble: Error: "We're" is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c 3 We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard on Bitcoin media.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c 3 We're partners in WoL. He also runs btcalpha.com, which is a standard for Bitcoin reporting.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mike_c has changed from 3 to 3.
mike_c: if channel so desires. didn't want to impose without asking.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216
mircea_popescu: well people can just pm you. with the voice rules, it';s unlikely anyone can bother anything
TheNewDeal: seems like a very advanced way to... lose money
TheNewDeal: looking for previous games though, can't find them
mike_c: there's free money in every GoW.
TheNewDeal: Watch some of the old games to get a feel for things, and then dive in!
mike_c: from home page, see 'finished' game on left
mike_c: also sample game linked in help section
assbot: KP.RU , , -, - // KP.RU
mike_c: but i will link that line too. good feedback.
TheNewDeal: should pay someone to put up some signs at MIT advertising this WoL
mike_c: ;;calc 5 / [ticker --last]
TheNewDeal: what happens to GoW once 1000 blocks are through? Turns into a Mini Game?
mike_c: it's over, next game starts.
mike_c: easiest way to get into is to try it. ATC are cheap.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 0k High: 235 Low: 199 VWAP: 216
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 37 @ 0.22615217 = 8.3676 BTC [+] {16}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 511511.43 in 1997 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: 0.00
TheNewDeal: I'm not worried about the price of ATC, already checked up on that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.2300909 = 2.531 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: not as cheap as doge, but, hey.
TheNewDeal: I'm wondering if the Game of Life just restarts every "week", or if some other cellular automata game will replace it
mike_c: Game of the Week restarts every 1000 blocks
mike_c: home page on the left is a link to next week's game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.231 = 0.924 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <TheNewDeal> seems like a very advanced way to... lose money << bout 1%.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00077359 = 12.5708 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
mike_c: yeah. game 8 on left/top is last week's game. below that, game 10, is next week's game.
mike_c: and by "week" i mean 1000 blocks.
TheNewDeal: what I'm wondering is this. How many 1000 block games will be played?
mike_c: make sense at all? every 1000 blocks a new game starts?
TheNewDeal: just confused me with the name Game of Week, thought there might be a totally different game next week
TheNewDeal: and GoL would turn into a minigame or something
mike_c: it is not as simple as dice, but hopefully some find it fun.
TheNewDeal: most definitely. I think it will appeal to the btc crowd
mike_c: thanks for checking it out.
TomServo: Looks pretty cool guys, nice work.
TomServo: Is there a target date for the grand opening?
Vexual: neato, I like how there isn't an eplilepsy warning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23 = 0.69 BTC [-]
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gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13044 @ 0.00077589 = 10.1207 BTC [+]
gribble: Current Blocks: 307671 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 776 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 4 days, 1 hour, 30 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 16578107258.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 23.14213
mircea_popescu: Vexual> neato, I like how there isn't an eplilepsy warning << lmao
Mats_cd03: TheNewDeal: no. nanking was p much like any other like pillaging, just with better records
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: bitcoinpete did like 30% in less than an hour ? << take that buffett ;)
peterl: not that I would know, I try to avoid it
bitcoinpete: i've been getting twitter spammed all day over btcjam doing what btcjam does
bitcoinpete: some dood had loans made under his account without his authorization
bitcoinpete: nor without any authorization being required
bitcoinpete: not that btcjam had any reputation to speak of here, just that the word is getting out
bitcoinpete: titcoins thinks there's a market for butts AND tits
mircea_popescu: i need someone to herd the naked girls for bitcoin subreddit for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.046 = 0.644 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: likes reddit. maybe he'll volunteer to coral 'em
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 31 @ 0.04734838 = 1.4678 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00077639 = 6.2111 BTC [+] {2}
xmj: fluffypony: are you on skype?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19400 @ 0.00077664 = 15.0668 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00077664 = 5.6695 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22100 @ 0.00077515 = 17.1308 BTC [-] {2}
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 177k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243
atcbot: 65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.21545982 = 1.2928 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00077664 = 14.0184 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: so the world cup experiment was fruitful, if costly
bitcoinpete: that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets
bitcoinpete: the problem with the wc is simply the number of teams
benkay: mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff
bitcoinpete: if mp had created a rolland garros bet for every single player + halep it would've been the same problem
bitcoinpete: having bets on "advancing" vs winning isn't ideal
assbot: Dogecoin Creator Jackson Palmer To Leave Dogecoin Community; Calls it "Cult-Like"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00077568 = 5.5849 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: ECU Dress Code for chess tournaments | Chess News
punkman: "regarding décolletés (in the US "cleavage"): "the second from the top button may be opened." And skirts may be no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knees"
punkman: why can't we have sexy chess
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12950 @ 0.00077638 = 10.0541 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Hive Adds Litecoin Support With New Web Wallet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13950 @ 0.0007783 = 10.8573 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.00077906 = 14.88 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <bitcoinpete> that'd definitely cut down on the spammy number of the wc/other sport bets << yeah.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> why can't we have sexy chess << i can :D why can't you ?
punkman can't wait for MP's Naked Chess Tournament
punkman: full of brazilian/argentinian booty
punkman: BingoBoingo: OMG No pool hoppers. << actually there's an extra TH on coinminer
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 210330.52 in 1977 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -58.88
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 199 Ask: 222 Last Price: 199 24h-Vol: 176k High: 277 Low: 199 VWAP: 243
mircea_popescu: <benkay> mircea_popescu, mike_c: cool stuff <<< :D try it out!
atcbot: 65k@280 40k@278 25k@222 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
benkay: mircea_popescu: mebbe later - in the meantime i'm enjoying the luxury of going to sleep at midnightish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00077906 = 8.1801 BTC [+]
benkay: apropos of the bash bombs discussed earlier, my favorite part about computanium is how ls'ing in a directory with lots of things will cripple a server
mircea_popescu: unless the drive is shitty and unraided that shouldn't really happen. besides, you shouldn't have the kernel volume shared with userspace anyway.
benkay: 40k iirc, and it was on a shitty cloud drive to boot.
empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Bids: 20000 @ 0.00004100 100000 @ 0.00004000 500000 @ 0.00003500
empyex: mircea_popescu: [S.WOL] Asks:
punkman: mircea_popescu: too many inodes makes ls quite slow
punkman: dunno what that is, but it's reading all the entries in a dir that's slow
mircea_popescu: (not that you couldn't call getdents by yourself bypassing the 16kb buffer or whatever fucktarded limit readdir does)
mircea_popescu: mkay, in sum : this problem is an artefact of using butter knife to mix concrete rather than any problem of the concrete.
punkman: fun tip: if you have a shitload of octopus, cement mixer is a good way to tenderize them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.00077463 = 13.7884 BTC [-] {2}
xmj: punkman: how many kg are we talking?
punkman: xmj, dunno maybe 10-20kg in small portable mixer, more if you get the truck version :P
xmj: I wonder, how do you heat the truck version.
xmj: Flamethrower, because awesome?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33694 @ 0.00078134 = 26.3265 BTC [+] {3}
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davout: pankkake: i don't see no twitter bootstrap, not investing
davout: what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ?
davout: or to state the question a bit differently, what's the current market price of mining power?
jurov: davout: cex.io says one GH/s is 0.0075 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.20501668 = 2.0502 BTC [-] {4}
davout: thanks, i want to do a rough back of the envelope estimate of what kind of investment the recent diff increases imply
davout: ;;calc 0.0075*20*1000000
davout: pankkake: what's your best way to estimate?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.201 = 1.005 BTC [-]
jurov: pankkake is anything priced rationally? Not in BTC, at least.
jurov: S.WOL added to coinbr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00081608 = 11.9964 BTC [+]
assbot: [NEW]Gambling invest!!!ROI 20 - 200%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.202 = 6.868 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.19942857 = 1.396 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4073 @ 0.00082529 = 3.3614 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9038 @ 0.00082369 = 7.4445 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: IkmoIkmo comments on coming soon- GH/s price on cex.io will crash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00081703 = 0.6536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081642 = 4.327 BTC [-]
moiety: 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/
dub: trusting an LEC commit!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14406 @ 0.00081893 = 11.7975 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 511511.43 Est. Next Diff: 252691.36 in 1949 blocks (#38304) Est. % Change: -50.60
davout: still wondering how i could get the closest to reality when calculating how much it'd cost to bring an extra PH/s to the network
davout: closest i can think of is take the current best rig that actually sells and use that as basis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00081385 = 4.3541 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i imagine it'd be hard to just buy 1PH, everyone does preorders, isnt Rockminer selling units for ASICMINER around now?
ThickAsThieves: Rocket Box 450G-490G 480W[shipping around 27th,June] 990mbtc each if you buy 4 units
ThickAsThieves: 1PH would surely be cheaper if you contacted them to make arrangements
davout: ThickAsThieves: i see, i'm not really trying to be very precise here, just a ballpark estimate for the recent ~47PH/s increase
ThickAsThieves: altough the costs to set that much gear up and run it for a bit would surely add up fast
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 557.56, Best ask: 561.08, Bid-ask spread: 3.52000, Last trade: 561.11, 24 hour volume: 9245.61146986, 24 hour low: 555.11, 24 hour high: 587.95, 24 hour vwap: 572.508947449
davout: ThickAsThieves: yeah, when i take the chart of currently available hardware and do the math against their cost (disregarding $/kwh) $1mn/PH is the lowest i get
ThickAsThieves: could work out this round for people, since the money may have been spent when BTC was worth %800+
ThickAsThieves: "All you do is plug it into a printer's USB port, and the device uses specialized hardware to create a random number with 256-bits of entropy."
assbot: Mycelium Entropy | Indiegogo
assbot: MaidSafe COO Reflects on Lessons Learned from Crowdsale
ThickAsThieves: "BitAngels, the angel investment group which was helping out with the crowdsale, expected mastercoins to comprise no more than 25% of the overall investment. Instead, Lambert explained, they ended up making up roughly half of the investment total."
ThickAsThieves: “A lot of people questioned why we would use two currencies, and looking back we [should] have used one.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0479 = 0.958 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5900 @ 0.00081411 = 4.8032 BTC [+]
jborkl: well that was a derp move
zoinky: dont even know what to say
zoinky: don't recall the name on TV TBH, i know you as TAT from here and forums
zoinky: maybe if i saw the avatar haha
zoinky: mostly trolls there idk why i chat there
zoinky: guess im easily trolled
atcbot: 20k@293 65k@280 35k@279 | 972k@199 750k@175 216k@160
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021746 BTC (Total: 434.93 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.0002151 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4159 @ 0.00081411 = 3.3859 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0005 / 0.0005 / 0.0005 (381 shares, 0.19 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00048666 / 0.000525 (8328 shares, 4.05 BTC)
assbot: I prepared your canoe with cedar boughs.
ThickAsThieves: yep, it took longer than i thought to get to 560, one more little leg down and then sideways with a slight incline til the auction (maybe)
assbot: The eagle never lost so much time as when he submitted to learn from the crow.
ThickAsThieves: i thought s.wol was .00003, yet the asks are .000035 and up
benkay: kakobrekla: assbot doesn't know about wol?
assbot: Stupid fucking white man.
assbot: Last trade for S.NSA on MPEX was at 0.00013 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!!
ThickAsThieves: benkay i suspect s.wol isnt fully set up in mpex for real for real
benkay: i do wonder about the ur-account on mpex
benkay: that from which all assets are pushed
benkay: and that to which all btc drain
benkay: (i dreamt about it last night)
jurov: ThickAsThieves I already pestered asciilifeform with that mycelium gizmo, he said it's some atmel satanic stuff, i then saw it opened and it was true
☟︎ jurov: the rng is hidden on the chip
jurov: it's one chip solution
ThickAsThieves: when the heck is cardano coming out, i already wanna know what the 2nd product will be
jurov: the 3rd, you mean. first one was phuctor
assbot: BitBet - Cardano to Ship in 2014 :: 1.08 B (96%) on Yes, 0.05 B (4%) on No | closing in 6 months 4 days | weight: 83`843 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: BitBet - Cardano delivered before Christmas :: 0.57 B (81%) on Yes, 0.13 B (19%) on No | closed 6 months 1 week ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11785 @ 0.00081533 = 9.6087 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: BitBet - Any European team to win 2014 FIFA Football World Cup :: 0.33 B (44%) on Yes, 0.42 B (56%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 35`628 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: someone used your addy to make you paranoid
ThickAsThieves: bitbet selective scamming by associating bets wrongly!
assbot: 2014 Daytrading CURRENT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22779556 = 0.6834 BTC [-]
jurov: i was going to lament unmanageable bash mod queue... but kako emptied it :)
rithm: what is mixedmedia.pro
rithm: "your total marketing solution"
kakobrekla: jurov i noticed our bash acceptance rate is far apart :)
rithm: silent stalker over here
rithm: the link it takes you to is sanitixed
jurov: don't sleep with deprived. word.
rithm: but he's actually up to 12 from 6,500
ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional
rithm: unless i misunderstand
zoinky: how does one get in wot
assbot: 2014 Daytrading CURRENT
rithm: reminds me of rithm.blue/2014/06/24/confirmation-bias-a-blessing-or-a-curse/
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.22782704 = 0.6835 BTC [+] {2}
zoinky: ok thanks ill check it out
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ThickAsThieves: rithmblue is audio production? is there samples somewhere? i just see live vids
rithm: all i have at this time is live audio
rithm: studio is still being built
rithm: well i haven't decided on the studio setup you can help me
rithm: i want 24 channels and analog but digital option
rithm: kinda want to be able to record to vinyl
ThickAsThieves: i dont use a board, just a collection of lunchbox stuff
rithm: that's cool because mostly everything i do i use my zoom h4n for right now
ThickAsThieves: my ADDA is an old MOTU cuz it has some particularly good chip in it
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ThickAsThieves: not sure what stage youre at, but for me the best jump in quality was getting that ADDA, a decent tube mic, and a high-quality mic pre
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rithm: because i'm still building the studio (construction) mostly i do live stuff
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ThickAsThieves: cool, yeah you probably want more versatile stuff then, like a good mixing board
chetty: So this 'scientist' wants to pay for someone to prove a negative!
rithm: i got an imgur of my rig somewhere
rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
xmj: Maybe I'm having a day
rithm: halorig.com mini, Zoom H4n line out, splitter +headphones, line in to Canon Vixia HF G20
assbot: Which record type option should I choose for the information Im about to enter?(DNS Questions) Namecheap.com Knowledgebase
xmj: and maybe CentOS is just a worthless piece of shit.
mike_c: scroll down to NS record
mike_c: subdomain: seeds host: 54.whatever.i.said
ThickAsThieves: that menu is probably buried somewhere else, i couldnt find anything that looks like that
mike_c: well, you were in the nameserver section
mike_c: which isn't quite right
mike_c: cuz that's for the root domain
ThickAsThieves: i was only there as a last resort, cuz the DNS secrtion only allowed TXT or CNAME
ThickAsThieves: yeah it only shows A, TXT, CNAME as options... i'll dig
ThickAsThieves: i cant find "All Host Records" like the support doc says
xmj: what are you trying to achieve?
mike_c: we are trying to put a NS record in therealaltcoin.org that sets the nameserver for seeds.therealaltcoin.org
ThickAsThieves: more specifically, where the fuck Namecheap hides such setting
mike_c: this custom nameserver is running altcoin-seeder
punkman: well youi need to run a nameserver then
mike_c: but only for seeds.therealaltco.org
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ThickAsThieves: there's no place that looks like the link mike_c gave from their doc
punkman: you need to make ns1.therealaltcoin.org and ns2.therealaltcoin.org, point to nameserver ip
☟︎ punkman: then add seed, ns1.therealaltcoin.org NS record
jurov: ThickAsThieves: I had to look
jurov: and on Modify Domain screen
punkman: ThickAsThieves: does the domain use the host's nameserver?
punkman: well then you need to go there and add NS record
jurov: there is NS record under ADVANCED in the RCORD TYPE dropdown
punkman: yeah but you gotta use NC's nameserver for that
punkman: oh you use namecheap hosting for it
ThickAsThieves: in that screenshot, do i just put this custom IP in the ns1 and ns2 boxes and add that?
pankkake: ns1 and ns2 should be namecheap nameserver ips
punkman: do you see a link on the menu that says "Transfer DNS Back to Us"?
punkman: no if you use them it says "Transfer to web host"
punkman: maybe the hosting account menu has something about dns?
punkman: yeah because you use namecheaphosting dns, not namecheap dns
jurov: menu -> manage domains -> click on domain name -> all host records
jurov: which step doesnt exist?
punkman: my domain with NC DNS uses DNS1.REGISTRAR-SERVERS.COM
punkman: not DNS1.NAMECHEAPHOSTING.COM
punkman: which is what therealaltcoin has
mike_c: thanks guys. TaT and I were not getting closer to the goal :)
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ThickAsThieves: so i need to wait the TTL time before checking if this worked right?
ThickAsThieves: how do i know if it's working, does an NS record show up on whatsmydns.net?
mike_c: what should happen is eventually you do a dig -t any therealaltcoin.org and it shows up
pankkake: you can ask the responsible dns server directly, bypassing ISP caches
ThickAsThieves: i can tell ya when i visit seeds.therealaltcoin.org it behaves differently now :/
mike_c: A record seems to be gone
punkman: did you transfer "back to us"?
mike_c: oh, nvm. it's there now. weird.
punkman: because now it has no idea what IP the root is
punkman: unless they've added some magic
ThickAsThieves: but no idea if the seeds subdomain is set up as needed yet
punkman: and if you add it manually, then namecheaphosting can't update the IP if it ever changes
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: the point is not for seeds.therealaltcoin.org to show a web page. what should happen when this is working is that it will point to active ATC nodes (which probably aren't running web servers)
ThickAsThieves: i understand that no page would load (i assum you'd need to do something on your end for a page to load via
http for it)
ThickAsThieves: what i dont understand is how to check if i did it right
TomServo: *** ns1.namecheaphosting.com can't find seeds.therealaltcoin.org: Non-existent domain
punkman: TomServo: ns1.therealaltcoin.org is supposed to be the NS for seeds.
ThickAsThieves: so should i add a nameserver in addition to the NS record?
mike_c: 54.x.x.x *is* a nameserver
mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p
TomServo: not sure, but it definitely needs more flux
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ThickAsThieves: "Should Nasdaq officials decide to go forward, they likely will move quickly — exchange officials expect to create a regulated platform for bitcoin buyers and sellers in about a year, one source said."
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ThickAsThieves: i tried to do a lil promo for War of Life on reddit and got deleted, after getting 3 upvotes nonetheless
jurov: does WoL have referrals?
ThickAsThieves: "bitcoin.org's content is managed by Saïvann Carignan, who is somewhat associated with the Foundation (though not an employee AFAIK), but the bitcoin.org domain name is jointly owned by me, Sirius, and an anonymous person. We will take action if bitcoin.org is being used inappropriately or the development group does something crazy." ~Theymos
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ThickAsThieves: mike_c in the WoL Shares area, why not show first bits like BitBet does?
ThickAsThieves: also with current pop-up method, it doesnt allow copy-pasting an addy
Mats_cd03: i am tired of hearing about theymos
pankkake: Mats_cd03: that is grounds for a twitter ban
ThickAsThieves: mike_c it's also hard to find my bets, maybe a search function is needed like bitbet too
mike_c: why can't you copy-paste?
mike_c: search sounds like good idea
mike_c: what? what browser/os are you on?
ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what
ThickAsThieves: also recommend a "previous" & "next" game link to chronologically page thru
mike_c: there's only one active GoW at a time. but i do want to add a list of old games, etc.
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ThickAsThieves: alright so basically i need to add all the DNS records that were in the host before, to the changed to nameserver, right?
ThickAsThieves: seeds.therealaltcoin.org seems to be working for Seattle
mircea_popescu: curl: (6) Couldn't resolve host 'seeds.therealaltcoin.org'
punkman: ThickAsThieves: do you have a VPS or shared with NC hosting?
ThickAsThieves: the only xfactor is the A records all didnt like a "." at the end of the IP entry, whereas seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS record accepted it
punkman: I don't seen any entries for seeds subdomain
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ThickAsThieves: it's odd that the www. works but not without it, being that www. is the CNAME
davout: ThickAsThieves: both work from here
davout: yeah, you don't need a * record for the root domain
davout: and if www is CNAME'd to the root you don't need it at all
davout: i don't really like to keep those around unless i need them because i want to have a domain-dependent behaviour
davout: *subdomain dependent behaviour
ThickAsThieves: www is indeed cname'd to root, but @ is pointing to the server IP
ThickAsThieves: which i assume is correct, only the root domain doesnt load, for me at least
davout: ThickAsThieves: try from your mobile phone, disconnected form wifi
davout: dns caching is a bitch
ThickAsThieves: lol davout, incidentally, Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet
davout: "Paris is the only IP that hasnt updated yet" <<< does not compute
davout: sfr is one of many providers
davout: there's no such thing as "the dns for paris" :D
mircea_popescu: davout no dude he knows remotely the situation of dns in paris
davout: golden rule when fucking with dns : "test after changing the configuration, never before, or you'll be stuck with shit being cached"
mircea_popescu: "The get.mp site is a bit defunct as the certificate is expired."
ThickAsThieves: now i just need confirmation the seeds.therealaltcoin.org is doing what it's supposed to
davout: i just check the configs with a "dig A domain.tld @ns.otherdomain.tld"
punkman: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 40000INNS54.197.241.190.
punkman: seeds.therealaltcoin.org. 60INA54.197.241.190
mircea_popescu: ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 58366
punkman: I did dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @54.197.241.190
davout: seeds.therealaltcoin.org doesn't seem to actually have any name servers defined
davout: therealaltcoin.org does
davout: ThickAsThieves: what the fuck have you done?
punkman: davout, dig -t ANY seeds.therealaltcoin.org @dns1.registrar-servers.com
davout: ThickAsThieves: i assert the contrary
davout: punkman: if you force the nameserver you're cheating!
ThickAsThieves: well being that i'm minimally experience with this stuff, i dont know what youre suggesting i do
davout: are you hosting the NS server yourself ?
davout: i'd try to see why you're getting a servfail
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davout: ThickAsThieves: it's very weird that your subdomain doesn't seem to have an associated nameserver when asking without asking dns1.registrar-servers.com
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
davout: ThickAsThieves: why do you have the last line ?
davout: why do you need to associate a separate nameserver to the seeds subdomain ?
mircea_popescu: <chetty> Supreme Court bans warrantless cell phone searches << ya, that'll do a lot.
ThickAsThieves: cuz mike_c told me to, cuz that IP is his and a nameserver
davout: didn't you mean to have an A record instead ?
punkman: mike's nameserver spits out node IPs as A records
mircea_popescu: this should be interesting, how tat's soup comes out with al lthe asset cooks
ThickAsThieves: i dont have a problem hosting the seeds myself, if handheld through it
davout: punkman: so the use case is that they're going to be multiple seeds, managed by mike_c like s1.seeds.therealtcoin.org ?
ThickAsThieves: i think the plan is to embed this subdomain into the altcoin software, so newbs can get the chain easier
assbot: dns - Can the value for a NS record be an IP address? - Server Fault
davout: ThickAsThieves: so when hitting seeds.therealaltcoins.org, a single server will spit out a list of seeds, in some format for use by the atc client ?
davout: well, then you don't need a NS record
davout: you need a plain old A record for seeds that points to the IP of the server managing the seeds list
mircea_popescu: i derp about my business, suddenly there's this weird booming echo multivoice
mircea_popescu: a second later it comes through they're screaming "goal!1" but that second...
pankkake: the "format" for the altcoin client is a DNS reply
davout: mircea_popescu: oh fuck, i'm supporting nigeria
ThickAsThieves: i could not have guessed that DNS would be an interpretive thing...
mircea_popescu: ahahaha the interpretive dns dance! round robbin! the nut cracker!
davout: pankkake: whaddaya mean
davout: i feel like i'm going down into a confusion vortex
jurov: ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems!
pankkake: seeds. has to be served by the self updating dns server
mircea_popescu: <jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. now you'll have two problems! <<< ahahaha
pankkake: well despite knowning the thing I have a hard time following the discussion
ThickAsThieves: <jurov> ThickAsThieves just integrate namecoin. /// actually this is something i do want
mircea_popescu: "you have two problems. the government takes one and gives you a cow. now you have three problems."
davout: pankkake: you want to resolve subdomains of seeds. ?
mircea_popescu: punkman re the "no shorter than 5-10 cm above the knee" : does thaat resolve to -5 which is then 5 below the knee ?
mircea_popescu: or does it just resolve to "depending on how lanky you are, one inch over your cunt"
pankkake: seeds. is also resolved by the NS of seeds.
davout: punkman: a i see, you want a dynamic A record for seeds
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ThickAsThieves: ok well at the moment the screenshot is what it is and will remain so until explicitly instructed
punkman: ThickAsThieves: maybe change it to seeds NS ns1.therealtaltcoin.org, then go to the other page and point ns1. to mike's IP
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davout: punkman pankkake if what's needed is load balancing, or failover, multiple A records for the same domain would do just fine
mircea_popescu: davout: what's currently the best non-scam mining rig one can buy these days ? << prolly the 3th knc recently delivered
pankkake: yes, if you have known nodes running… and I don't believe it is the case
punkman: ThickAsThieves: well according to dignork's link, having an IP in NS record is not so valid
ThickAsThieves: btw, i do have some .bit domains registered, including bitcoin-assets and therealaltcoin
punkman: but I got no fucking clue to be honest
davout: mircea_popescu: yeah, i didn't state the question very explicitly, but i was wondering about the price to pay to bring an extra PH/s to the network, something around 1.25mn is what i found
mircea_popescu: 1.25 prolly reasonable yeah. electricity is logistics :D
davout: i guess thats included in "logistics"
ThickAsThieves: mike_c see above discussion and lemme know if you need anything changed anytime
davout: nah, actually i'm an idiot, that's not possible
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i wonder how long before 1PH pays for itself in coin << hash doesn;'t really need to pay for itself in coin tho.
punkman: I can't ping seeds.therealaltcoin.org, does it resolve for someone?
jurov: not if one pays another 100% for filing a debt claim
davout: jurov: as in "this guy owes me 100 BTC, here's 100 BTC to get it from him" ?
mike_c: ugh. hopefully you didn't "fix" it, i think you had it :)
mike_c: davout: I am running a nameserver for seeds.atc
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: maybe thatll be on his grave << what should be on his grave is "I thought I knew shit, because I used to be a shithead. Now I know better, but what's the use, I'm already shitlisted."
mike_c: clients will query it to find active ATC nodes
mike_c: in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc
mike_c: punkman: no reason you should be able to ping it!
Apocalyptic: <mike_c> in order for clients to query it, the root domain needs to list my server as a nameserver for seeds.atc // you're sure ?
Apocalyptic: I thought it was meant to resolve to IP of nodes
mike_c: Apocalyptic: it does resolve to IP of nodes. but how does your computer know who to ask to resolve it.
davout: ThickAsThieves: A record for that, on mike_c's server
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davout: mike_c: so you're going to resolve s1.seeds.the...org etc ?
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ThickAsThieves: mp how come your s.wol is 35 instead of 30, just to fuck with people?
davout: mike_c: so what fqdns is your server going to resolve ?
mike_c: seeds.therealaltcoin.org
mircea_popescu: and speaking of which, now that mike_c is up he's prolly going to put bitcoin in once he's done destroying altcoin dns
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davout: mike_c: dig A seeds.therealtcoin.org @54.197.241.190
davout: ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 49439
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: It's a small offering? Or maybe people want shares FIRST!!! << it's tiny, 15 btc total.
davout: mike_c: why would that change anything ?
davout: i'm asking for an A record
mike_c: dig -t A seeds.therealaltcoin.org @54.197.241.190
mike_c: flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1,
davout: punkman: my face, my palm
davout: mike_c: yeah works now
mircea_popescu: i think someone needs to send argentina team an ugrend proposal
mike_c: hopefully nobody actually reads the logs.
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davout: mike_c: curious as to why i'm getting a servfail when not asking your server directly
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: this trader's biggets problem, which he is so obliviously documenting, is he is emotional << funny how that works huh.
mircea_popescu: you know, "why do i get a fail message when im not doing anything"
davout: meh, i get the same message as you
davout: also same message from different machine, on different network
davout: mike_c: maybe that's related to using an IP directly as the NS field value, i have no fucking clue :D
punkman: "It is important to know that NS records are only responsible for defining the names of DNS servers within a zone, i.e. they do not represent IP addresses,"
mircea_popescu: punkman what's a standard for if not pissing all over it ?
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 hours, 15 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <moiety> 2nd of july i shall have proper intevebs! \o/
punkman: yeah but I first said this 2 hours ago
punkman: and now it's not working :P
mike_c: so it should be seeds.therealaltcoin.org NS -> foo.therealaltcoin.org and then foo.therealaltcoin.org -> 54.x.x.x?
moiety: i had an appointment for sorting everything out income wise, sorry
davout: punkman: -assets currently looks like a bunch of medieval doctors putting leeches on a guy with a broken ankle
punkman: I'm just glad I'm not a sysadmin
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mircea_popescu: in other news, want to disprove tardstalk scam of the week ? nobody will give you 10 bitcents if you can ha-ha!
pankkake: I'll give 10000 BTC to the first person to disprove the existence of the Space Elephant
mircea_popescu: rithm: ok so firstly, bitcoin bought all of this <<< was it more than a car ?
chetty: mircea_popescu, I was amused at the great scientist asking folks to prove a negative :P
pankkake: can we have a 20 year bitbet against global warming?
mircea_popescu: chetty and then they wonder why i keep saying stupid === poor.
pankkake: thankfully you didn't say 10k of what :)
moiety: i would accept 10k manuls
pankkake: yeah, google always manuals me when I want manuls :(
punkman: 10k gold manuls, would be nice
mircea_popescu: reading the logs, you bunch have been at this "let's fuck up dns" for a while by now huh
rithm: i should specify indirectly huh
rithm: like th rig is for sale at halorig.com and you can with btc
rithm: the camera was drop ship otc trade
davout: mircea_popescu: "we heard you like dns, so we put a dns server in your dns server ..."
rithm: mircea_popescu you actually read the logs?
rithm: i'm gonna start trolling you when you are afk pretty hard
rithm: now that i know this
rithm: i love to be tied up and flogged
rithm: so evil nick highlighting discouraged or outright banned?
ThickAsThieves: and i emailed asking about gold ones cuz the website says out of stock
rithm: i have one ThickAsThieves
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rithm: my phone now does those for me
mircea_popescu: mike_c: how many assetters does it take to screw in a lightbulb :p << how do you fit a girl in a lightbulb ?
rithm: these new phones are magic
rithm: like i can take a few pics and select a theme and boom slideshow
rithm: works with video too
ThickAsThieves: you can take the girl out of the lightbulb, but ya cant take the lightbulb outta the girl
pankkake: assetters would simply declare that light is a scam
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: basically i bet while half asleep last night and have no idea on what <<< mike_c i think we should cater to this guy :D
pankkake: "For the record, a boatload of neckbeards doesn't pay for one single financier. This because tech people actually are humanly inferior to money people. They're less of a person."
mircea_popescu: pankkake i'll have to revisit that nao that nasdaq wants to join teh fray :D
mike_c: yes. sleepy bettors will be accomodated.
pankkake: are you using bitcoin-qt? it doesn't list change addresses
mircea_popescu: remember that guy a year or so ago threatening to kill kako's plushie toys
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pankkake: I have another post coming :D I've deciced against a third by inserting it in the second
pankkake: indeed… I've crapped on most of my hrefs while writing too
pankkake: another reason I want to switch out of wordpress: writing HTML
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davout: pankkake: "Now some guy now wants to decentralize decentralized version control." <<< Oo
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Namworld: Re what I was talking about the other day concerning provably fair systems. To be fair, most casinos do the same thing re providing new server seeds after user's seed.
Namworld: So I'll probably do a public campaign concerning all venues.
Namworld: So I got some stuff written, concerning logic behind it and proposed change to such systems.
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Namworld: I don't have one. Don't think I write often enough to attract any kind of regular audience regardless.
punkman: I want to make a nice provably fair baccarat game. Get all those chinese bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: 1. Client changes the seed after each new server seed, before every bet. He doesn't know server seed, so seed he provides should give a random number. (Painfully tedious, few actually do it, but for those who do, provably fair.) << prolly a bot that does this would be useful.
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mircea_popescu: Namworld stop being stubborn. if you put up text like that you need a blog. how's someone going to comment on it for instance ? how's someone coming in 1 year know what was already commented ?
Namworld: Yes, it should indeed be a requirement to have such an external tool for current venues.
Namworld: mircea, I'll probably just post it on the gambling forum where it is relevant and let people pitch in.
Namworld: At least there's a large, targeted audience there.
mircea_popescu: punkman i never got bacarrat, but you know what might be a good idea ?
mircea_popescu: play all the games that meanwhile died, from ancient egypt and fenicia to chemin-du-fer
mircea_popescu: Namworld "No, you wouldn't be able to notice that the website, across all players, has a much higher house edge than 1% which is unlikely. It's easy to fill with fake "lucky" account to compensate " << you could notice it over your own experience.
mircea_popescu: jd for instance allows you to run 0 bet sampling rounds of infinite size.
mircea_popescu: but anywqay, this entire paper is not about server cheating, it's about how "if you're lazy and stupid you might lose". sure. as it should be. let people make proper betting bots with seeding per bet
mircea_popescu: the coinroll "end of the day disclosure" method is also acceptable. it may be open to abuse for low volume sites (based on finding hash collisions, much in the same way mining works) but doesn't seem too practical
mircea_popescu: client's last deposit tx is good, and a lot of space in there in the block in case it's needed.
Namworld: It doesn't help much if the system is targetting accounts with large balance and stops cheating after a small sample/when the large balance isn't making large bets.
Namworld: They could steal a few thousands extra BTC on large bets which might not seem too odd until it's too late.
Namworld: Would also be costly to attempt to verify by betting.
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mircea_popescu: Namworld do you see why the jd "show on request" model is slightly stronger for fairness than the "fixed time disclosure" ?
Namworld: How is it stronger for fairness? Server seed provided prior to client seed.
pankkake: I thought about it, and decided "there is" was the correct form, as I am saying "services like this exist"
pankkake: but maybe I am confused about the grammar
mircea_popescu: server seed is "A". 0.1 btc comes in, is calculated. wins or loses.
mircea_popescu: at this point, server is also mining, and knows that hash "B" would also be consistent with the history so far.
mircea_popescu: ie, either "A" or "B" would give the 0.1 and 0.2 bets same results.
mircea_popescu: 1.2 btc bet comes in. server looks at results, A wins, B loses. server picks its hash as B and reconstructs the merkle tree
mircea_popescu: now, if you know when the hash will have to be revealed, this is possible
mircea_popescu: if hash may be revealed at any random point, this is suddenly problematic
Namworld: There's a single server seed for all users for the day... with its hash predisclosed. It would be pretty much impossible to reasonably find another seed that matches the hash...
mircea_popescu: the absolutely ideal system, imo, would be a server that used the same secret for ALL PLAYERS and reset it (for all players) at any player's request. but this poses problems for anon players.
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Namworld: Yes, there's a list with months of secrets' hashes provided upfront.
Namworld: Like JD provides the server's seed hash.
ThickAsThieves: (intuit is what most small businesses and more use for acconting in US)
Namworld: That and we don't provide a default client seed, we use the blockchain transaction ID of the last deposit.
Namworld: So by default all players should be covered correctly
Namworld: No work to do on the user's part, other than verification.
mircea_popescu: and also it's a fine example of what'd go into the bitcoin-assets registrar of deeds.
pankkake: this is why I usually don't publish after writing, but hey…
Namworld: Not sure, would probably be best for list to be signed.
Namworld: Jurov would have to look into that.
mircea_popescu: Namworld if you want i can sign it for you. then whoever wants to say you changed it will also have to say i signed a new version.
Namworld: If you're willing to do so, it would be great. Don't forget to include date.
Namworld: I trust jurov not to lose/have list of secrets compromised. Although list/signatures might need to be updated if Coinroll is sold again to another party or list is compromised.
Namworld: A date with signatures shows when it was acknowledged to be changed. Such that none can claim a specific change occured prior to that date.
Namworld: Maybe dooglus would be willing to sign the list too.
Namworld: 2 strong parties to sign, along with jurov as the owner.
dignork: mircea_popescu: irony detector fails me today, the link was about provable timestamping, for you gpg sig on Namworld text
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Namworld: I'll ask dooglus if he can do the same. Jurov or wao can publish both signed text files on the verification page.
pankkake: trolling Legitimate Bitcoin Companies
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mircea_popescu: "A more formalized version of this should be linked/appended to every single IPO offering on the forums as a cautionary tale. "
mircea_popescu: oggnasty : "Valuing these offerings over time in BTC is idiotic..."
mircea_popescu: "You ask why people invest... Let me answer that for you as I have decades of experience providing analysis to investors... "
pankkake: so altcoin hashrate is basically one KnC Neptune
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mircea_popescu: or about 10 btc. while a block is worth about 5k-10 satoshi
mircea_popescu: so you'd have to find 100k blocks or thereabouts to break even
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mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin with an infinite but reasonable inflation would not be so different."
pankkake: I agree the formulation isn't ideal. I mean, what if block reward was 1 BTC forever
mircea_popescu: but you're right, the only current business of pseudo-bitcoin businesses a la coinbase, bitpay etc is that they're benefiting from a legal inefficiency, where exchanges that admit it are being fucked actively, whereas exchangesd that pretend to be paymernt processors aren't fucked quite as bad quite as yet.
mircea_popescu: pankkake that is matematically equivalent to "each block is its own sort of halving"
pankkake: yes. but even yearly fixed inflation wouldn't be that bad imho
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pankkake: I think predictable money supply is the most interesting property
pankkake: of course, Bernankoin has somewhat predictable money supply and is worthless by design
mircea_popescu: actually i think something else is the most interesting property, and sorta too lazyto write blogpost
mircea_popescu: quite the vibrant little community we got here. there's even a manul in a treehouse!
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mircea_popescu: mthreat all this "we gotta say something and we have no idea what to say so here's a collection of copypasted material with filler" shit...
mircea_popescu: fiat people : stop trying to pretend bitcoin is fiat. bitcoin is not fiat. more importantly, your expiration date is in the past.
rithm: evoorhees according to that article left 5100BTC positive and $50,000 usd negative in fines
rithm: which sounds like a terribll terribly punitive slap on the wrist
rithm: but yeah that regurgitated
mircea_popescu: rithm the misguided pretense as to jurisdiction is starting to get on my nerves. sec doesn't actually make it, but all sorts of dr foreskin lapdogs fall over each other to "create consensus"
rithm: if you can tell them to fuck off, and trendon can lie to them and destroy evidence, and erik can keep all his bitcoins and fay a minor usd fine.....
rithm: nm i decided not to finish that sentence
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rithm: also aparently the IRS only keep backup tapes for 6 months
mircea_popescu: well that depends. if it suits them, they only keep them for 6 months.
rithm: that's what i learned
mircea_popescu: otherwise, you're "legally required" to keep the records for... ever.
rithm: why have i been filing these taxes and keeping these papers for so long if I can just say "i dunno"
mircea_popescu: i so wouldlike to see someone grow some fucking balls and argue in court that they're not hold to do anything the irs wants because well... the irs doesn't follow the law.
ThickAsThieves: "As we have capacity available and as we gain more capacity, we will be activating more people in Cloud Mining. As we ship out hardware and disable the people with Cloud Mining after they have their hardware shipped, we will allocate that capacity to the next people in line. "
ThickAsThieves: they are giving people rented hash shares instead of shipping their hardware
mircea_popescu: please keep buying shit at par, we'll give you rented hashes for 5% six months later
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the sec is too fucking snotty to actually get to work at strangling these idiots.
rithm: mircea_popescu, even better rent the burn-in period as "cloud hashing"
rithm: it's really all the same
rithm: basically you could operate a pool of anonymous miners that constantly roll-over and get shipped to customers
rithm: as part of a lrger operation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083085 = 2.7418 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: 'How much of a threat is something like Bitcoin?' "We settle and pay out in 121 currencies ... once bitcoin is regulated ... why wouldn't we use bitcoin ... if it's regulated as a currency" ~ Western Union CEO
mircea_popescu: truth is bitcoin is exactly going to kill them. western union has a market made out of illiterate peasants and assimilated non-persons, which is not really worth serving per se,
mircea_popescu: and a market of "hackers" let's say, ie, the sons and daughters of said iliterate peasants. who will just move to bitcoin.
pankkake: WU is used for many scams, so they are truly in competition with Bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: "The 17 most important things Google announced at I/O" lol
rithm: i've seen WU operate in poor countries
mthreat: it's kinda like western union saying they won't use the internet until it's regulated
rithm: "countries" sounds like a lot
rithm: but i've seen them in mexico, the vigin islands, and western samoa
rithm: there's a WU on every block
pankkake: well that's what they're selling. send money, everywhere
pankkake: perhaps the real competitor is localbitcoins
ThickAsThieves: "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin, increasing the risk there could be inconsistencies in the financial reporting of bitcoin transactions. The lack of accounting rules means the coin will be accounted and reported using the most appropriate standards that exist making it challenging to compare GAAP between different companies
ThickAsThieves: transacting in bitcoin. Investors should carefully watch and judge the reporting to make sure they understand, and agree, with management’s view." Moodys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00082231 = 6.2496 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: pankkake davout do either of you boys know anyone at the "house of bitcoin" in paris?
mircea_popescu: No results found for "There are currently no Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) governing bitcoin".
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mircea_popescu: "The poorly thought trust system also highly favor said organization" favors. cause singular.
bitcoinpete: a "bitcoiner" i know from calgary is in paris atm and headed to the house of bitcoin
bitcoinpete: apparently they knew yours truly from twitter and -assets
bitcoinpete: was curious if any of the house of bitcoiners were here
ThickAsThieves: "Sector Comment" looks like an internal newsletter or somesuch
ThickAsThieves: it has a "Rate this Research" button on the bottom, so i'm guessing itll be on their website somewhere
mircea_popescu: right but i mean of whom or what or in general, who needs to be hit over the head with the observation that the bitcoin space has had a gaap for years and they're being ignorant.
mircea_popescu: just because scammers don't use gaap in fiat too doesn't give ignoramuses aspiring to comment the right to pretend gaap doesn't exist, or its use isn't legally mandatory.
ThickAsThieves: it's by Jason Cuomo, Senior Accounting Analyst & Jeffrey Berg, Senior Vice President
mircea_popescu: finding the source link to a quote has never been this difficult
mircea_popescu: anyway this aereo thing is going to cause problems in the future.
mircea_popescu: “Why should any of these technological differences matter?” Breyer wrote. “They concern the behind-the-scenes way in which Aereo delivers television programming to its viewers’ screens. They do not render Aereo’s commercial objective any different from that of cable companies.”
mircea_popescu: "we decided not to go by what things are, but by what things seem to us" is nothing but an open invitation to be scammed.
mircea_popescu: “It is not the role of this court to identify and plug loopholes,” Scalia wrote. “It is the role of good lawyers to identify and exploit them, and the role of Congress to eliminate them if it wishes.” << i could see scalia as bitcoin chief justice.
justusranvier: It is the role of that court to present the peasants with the illusion of fair play and the rule of law so they don't revolt. They aren't doing a very good job.
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mircea_popescu: justusranvier i dunno. as a compulsive reader of supreme court caselaw up until about the 70s i must say it was pretty good literature.
justusranvier: They used to do a much better job of maintaining the illusion.
justusranvier: Try not to let the atrocious web design detract from the content.
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davout: bitcoinpete: yeah, i know the guys and the place
moiety: someone tell me again why i run a site that attracts utter retardation on a frequent basis
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bitcoinpete: davout seems they follow the action on -assets and know who i am, much to the surprise of a developer i know visiting paris
dub: wat is house of bitcoin?
bitcoinpete: it's a bit surprising to me too because most of those community-minded types wouldn't (and couldn't) touch -assets with a 10 ft stick
davout: dub: it's like a coworking space/atm spot/meetup place
bitcoinpete: dub my guess is an embassy/work space/community
dub: sounds like it should contain wax statues of scammers and retards
bitcoinpete: there's one in new york, tel aviv, montreal, etc
davout: the guys are also behind the french "association bitcoin"
bitcoinpete: and no doubt they're pushing for merchant adoption. and regulation
dub: is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto
davout: dub: that sounds like redditspeak
dub: give a troll a break, trying to fill my quota here
mircea_popescu: justusranvier lol that's quickly becoming one of the most loved b-a links
pankkake: I googled "Bitcoin is not a payment network" and guess who I end up finding… MPOE-PR
mircea_popescu: <dub> is that an organisation for the purpose of immediately surrendering to anything that threatens crypto << don't knock it, it's a splendid strategy.
davout: "(but yes I said it first)" <<< i think i said that in 2010 ;)
mircea_popescu: but since pankkake got me re-reading old things, yea, i like this fluffypony bit :
mircea_popescu: "That last point probably needs some elaboration. You see, #bitcoin-assets makes a distinction between “being wrong” and “being stupid”. If you are “wrong” about something the implication is (and should be) that you are self-aware enough to explain your reasoning well enough that one of three outcomes occur: those in conversation either come round to your point of view; or they agree that you have a valid l
mircea_popescu: ine of reasoning and are entitled to hold that viewpoint; or your self-awareness and general level of intelligence allows you to change your opinion or view. Thus, being “wrong” (or having to defend your view) is encouraged!"
mircea_popescu: davout yeah but yours doesn't count because it was before mine!
davout: yo, playing france on the 30th
davout: france vs. ecuador was such a fucking pain to watch
bitcoinpete: just wanted to see if i could attribute your articles there
pankkake: funny though, friends randomly met some guy that knew me from what.cd, I have achieved mild internet celebrity
davout: or takeable i'd assume
pankkake: I *had* a Twitter account but was never really active, and closed it years ago
davout: hm, i guess @fuck is taken, so tis possibru
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bitcoinpete: and here we are, 3 years on. starting new blogs
pankkake: I had a blog when it was trendy to have one
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moiety: i'm learning quick though mircea_popescu :]
mircea_popescu: :p remember kitten, one of the first things i said to you was wtf you doing with the doge
pankkake: my first post is probably 2004
moiety: do yous remember the failed attampt at a bitcoin facebook?
moiety: mircea_popescu: a question I have since repeated tomyself so many times.
moiety: davout, it was exactly the same as facebook but orange and had bitcoin symbols everywhere. i think it failed so badly, theytried to sell it and couldn't even pan it off
pankkake: wait I've been running a node for years, can I get paid?!
pankkake: or is it only funding nodes ran by the same guy (but decentralization!)
bitcoinpete: pankkake: running nodes, writing for your blog, everything should get you paid!
pankkake: actually, first post: September 2003
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TheNewDeal: ok I have a stupid question. What happens if I have two vending machines that sit side by side and both accept bitcoin. Will people have to wait for 6 confirmations to receive goods, or is there some other way to receive their bitcoin safely?
pankkake: link is ok, thank god for noscript/requestpolicy/etc
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal at the size of your purchase you can prollylet them go on one confirm. who's gonna dblspend for a can of coke
pankkake: do you think they will double spend to buy cheap food? in a physical location?
mircea_popescu: get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it
mircea_popescu: you got a better deal with this than with them putting in us quarters anyway.
TheNewDeal: ok what happens if I have a laundromat and the washer accept bitcoin. Someone finds out they can just come and get two loads for the price of 1, dry 2 loads for the price of 1, etc
mircea_popescu: someone doing that much hash doesn't need your puny 5kw tumble drier
TheNewDeal: I thought you could just send 2 transactions before a block is mined
TheNewDeal: doesnt propagation take on the scale of minutes?
mircea_popescu: 6 confirms (as opposed to 1 confirm) only matters if they are actively mining and attacking the chain
mircea_popescu: 1 confirm (as opposed to 0 confirms) helps if they try to isolate you in the convey txn graph
pankkake: nodes shouldn't propagate the doublespent tx if they have the first, but of course it's not 100% reliable
TheNewDeal: couldn't any derp go to blockchain tho?
mircea_popescu: nobody's doublespending your .85 bitcent stale sandwich
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davout: am i the only one to think it's actually stupid to not relay double spends ?
mike_c: this was explored exhaustively with satoshi dice. some serious gymnastics pulled it off with trivial amounts, and SD then reacted and closed that loophole as well.
pankkake: davout: I've read some interesting debates but I don't remember them
mircea_popescu: davout not really much diff. sort-of poisons you as it were.
mike_c: the double spend had to do with making the SD tx ugly (lots of inputs), and double-spending with a fee. SD just started using fees and problem went away iirc.
davout: mircea_popescu: "sort-of poisons you as it were." <<< does not parse
pankkake: iirc the payment protocol (I know, right) can make propagating the transaction the responsibility of the merchant
mircea_popescu: davout type 1 (pick one tx, relay that) "poisons" the nodes that got the dblspend. type 2 (relay all) doesn't.
davout: pankkake mircea_popescu i tend to think it's better to transparently relay both txes, so that they're much easier to detect if you care about them
mircea_popescu: well yeah. conversely, type 1 makes it obvious which nodes get poisoned
davout: i think it's easier to handle an obvious double spend than to keep track of 'good' vs. 'evil' nodes
mircea_popescu: seeing how blacklisting is still a thing, consensus kinda favoured current behaviour for good game theoretic reasons
assbot: Relay first-double-spend transactions by gavinandresen Pull Request #3354 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
Naphex: anyone can recommend a easy tool to sign multi-sig transactions ?
Naphex: to pass to a noob to sign his stuff
mircea_popescu: anyway, node behaviour is going to be the major topic of 2015 i suspect.
mircea_popescu: they have no incentive (perhaps the best candidate for a satoshi oversight is not putting any incentive for tx relay at all) to behave properly and a lot of different types of misbehaviours necessarily include themn
davout: mircea_popescu: "it was argued this isn't so smart." <<< i'd be interested in reading the argument
davout: mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i'm usually not very fond of arguments that nodes should behave a particular way, simply interested in the case against transparently relaying all legal txes, even if they are double spends
TheNewDeal: well what happens to a node that has a transaction and receives information about a double spend of that transaction?
mike_c: you mean what happens when a block is orphaned?
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davout: TheNewDeal: you don't double spend a transaction, you double spend an output, but other than that, nothing really until one of them gets into a mined block, more information can't really hurt
TheNewDeal: unless of course you're receiving an immediate service
TheNewDeal: isn't there something about nodes being banned for like 24 hours for bad behavior?
TheNewDeal: I'm just thinking in terms of my vending machine example
davout: mthreat: i know a guy that did if you're interdasted
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davout: TheNewDeal: i think what you're referring to is nodes banning some of their peers, you don't really ban nodes from the network
mthreat: davout: ya i'm kind of interested - any interesting results?
TheNewDeal: wasn't sure if it was considered bad behavior to propagate a double spent output
dignork: Naphex: if it's 2-3 multisig, check bitrated.com, it allows to use online generated keys, or just use pubkeys
davout: TheNewDeal: if you give some low value thing in exchange for a zero-conf tx, you might find it useful to immediately get the information that someone is attempting a double spend, rather than having the info cock-blocked
davout: mthreat: i didn't really dig, what kind of results are you after ?
Naphex: dignork: nah something custom, just sign a multisig with a privkey
mthreat: davout: nothing specific.. just seems like there could be some interesting stuff, watching the flow of coins
davout: mthreat: have you read the paper from adi shamir and dorit ron?
Naphex: the yeah i know sx, but needed something to give to a noob. who won;t be able to command line it:P
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Naphex: but i'll probably write something simple to sign it
davout: mthreat: so you know as much as i do ;) i'll put you in touch with the guy that did it if you want to implement sthg on your side
mthreat: davout: ah.. no that's ok.. thanks
davout: Naphex: you apparently haven't learned the "don't give people bitcoins if they ain't educated enough to handle them themselves" lesson heh?
Naphex: davout: just need em to sign a transaction once in a while
davout: Naphex: maybe an idea would be for them to simply use the qt built-in console rather than a full-fledged terminal?
Naphex: davout: yep, but you need to make a json array with the redeemScript, inputs and script-pubkey
Naphex: which requires quite some manual work
Naphex: would probably be easier with bash and terminal
Naphex: then with current bitcoin-cli multisig
dignork: Naphex: you can show them full json on site/send by email w/e
Naphex: yeah - will probably just write some simple tool
Naphex: put raw transaction in, + privkey sign it
Naphex: i create transaction and just pass it
Naphex: probably even simplify and use lotsa scrypt rounds and use a password to gen priv key
Naphex: then they can just sign with password
dignork: Naphex: look at bitrated.com, they did it properly, and their code is on github
dignork: actually they - shesek, you can talk to him
Naphex: its no problem, was just looking for a already made tool
assbot: Multi-Signature Brainwallet - JavaScript Client-Side Bitcoin Address Generator
Naphex: dignork: thx, haven't seen this one before
Naphex: only the outcast one which looked to only work with its own privkeys
Naphex: dignork: lol, ms-brainwallet doesn't look right needing both keys :)
dignork: it was a POC code I assume
Naphex: but kinda fits, what i was looking for is something where you input transaction, signed & composed by person A
Naphex: and person B can just sign it providing redemption + privkey
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00082446 = 1.484 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.04765432 = 1.7632 BTC [+] {3}
dignork: yeah, but it expects two privkeys :)
Naphex: and the raw transaction is read only :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0478 = 2.151 BTC [+]
Naphex: bitcoinjs looks to have multisig support
Naphex: maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that
dignork: Naphex: dealing with noobs, worst question is: how do I get a pubkey
mike_c: <+Naphex> maybe i can just roll something quick in js and leave it at that << famous last words?
Naphex: mike_c: its just for signing a transactions that is already composed and signed, multi sig also
Naphex: i wouldn't care much even if 2nd key got compromised, since the raw pre-signed transaction delivered is already composed
mike_c: "JavaScript-based cryptography" just sounds.. terrifying.
Naphex: but for signing a multisig not that bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00082446 = 5.5239 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> get out. they gotta be physically there too, it's not worth it /// until someone makes some AirbndUberApp that makes doublespending a crowdgoal or whatever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.0008244 = 1.319 BTC [-]