RagnarDanneskjol: was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg
☟︎ kakobrekla: "sir, we are out of potato, but we can offer some fresh shit. its on the house."
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mod6: 404 Gribble Not Found
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2500 @ 0.00078499 = 1.9625 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: You are quoted again for who knows how many words this time.
kakobrekla: i suspekt ddos is back on chan as well
BingoBoingo: Well, at least I published the thing so it will be visible eventually.
BingoBoingo: Fuck it IRC is too advanced to be safe. We need to do baudot over ULF. 10 MW minimum to get voice.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh just DDoS is back on everything it seems
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mircea_popescu: "Your store/business has been published on our bitgazetteer.com website." heh.
mircea_popescu: "i know, whatsapp got 200 bn for essentially spamming, why wouldn't we!"
kakobrekla: [02:23:50] <svetlana> cloaking is NOT the solution to the problem.
kakobrekla: [02:24:05] <kakobrekla> how is it not?
kakobrekla: [02:24:11] <kakobrekla> if everyone is cloaked noone can be ddosed
kakobrekla: [02:25:27] <kakobrekla> freenode is broken by default as it will show your ip plainly
kakobrekla: [02:25:49] <svetlana> it is rather trivial to look through cloaks (chanserv can, and anyone can query chanserv with various cidrs and ask whether people match).
svetlana: I might suggest not using cloaks as the solution here. Using cidr entries in access list, and /cs why, it's quite trivial to look through them. We don't want to "teach" whoever is ddosing here that -- he'd keep doing his thing.
svetlana: Instead, get affected people to check their router logs and get more details about the attack.
svetlana: asciilifeform: It is not rather dumbly from a single IP, is it?
BingoBoingo: svetlana: It is some asshole herding wayward machines
BingoBoingo: routers, servers, the occasional 10 kilo wordpress sites
svetlana: If the details that you have are not sufficient (which is somewhat often the case), we have to apply discretion and judgment to figure out who it is (before +i, it might make sense to use +r and see if it makes things stop).
svetlana: I am from another channel where wc- was complaining about the issue. Couldn't suggest anything but not perceiving cloak as the solution, to him.
mircea_popescu: the parcimonious approach is to regard you as grossly unqualified to comment on that topic.
BingoBoingo suggests a "Russian Woodpecker" in every back yard...
decimation: asciilifeform: more evidence that your wot-router idea is needed, at any rate.
decimation: mircea_popescu: apparently mr. ddos took your 'unreliable' remarks personally
mircea_popescu: <ascii_modem> that or he read the log and picked the parts he liked << i dunno where i stole it from tbh.
decimation: he wants to provide us with his own special brand of discipline free of charge
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> Microsoft shut down their captcha service, which was causing that problem on the eulorum wiki. << YOUR PAIN IS YOUR OWN PUNISHMENT
mircea_popescu: decimation it's still not very reliable, who gets 1-5th of january off.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is convenient because i didn't really feel like writing reports tonight, and asciilifeform still's not sent me his mail, so
mircea_popescu: mike_c: and it is not unusual for it to catch humans << on the plus side, i get about 10-20 pieces of spam a day, which are pretty much all handcranked. the attepts are well in the 1000s/hr. on the - side, occasionally people complain about having to redo a comment / having lost a comment in the depths.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: anyone learn the fate of nanotube yet ? <<< no. i was waiting for some kind of logs to surface, but seems nothing.
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2015 00:06:29; RagnarDanneskjol: was just telling ASCII that I understand nano is on vacay for a few days, also altgribble is avail for bcauth but not gpg
mircea_popescu: " that when wot is taken seriously by intelligent and resourceful enemies, it will be rather late." << so how late is it /
BingoBoingo: Well, if captured I am ready to be absolutely worthless.
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mircea_popescu: "The enemy can diddle IP any way he likes," << sure, but that's why salt is there.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the purity of your vision, but i'd rather have this work on current hardware. what else is there ?
mircea_popescu: providing he finds your ip (which i doubt), you can just switch it too.
mircea_popescu: for that matter i envisage most people using this on multiple ips
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't be against this being implemented in udp in any case.
kakobrekla: please svetlana if you have anything to say, here instead.
svetlana: I didn't think that discussing non-bitcoin stuff here is very welcome, but if you want me to stop talking with you in /msg I'm fine with that :)
kakobrekla: its very welcome as long as its not nonsense.
BingoBoingo: svetlana: You'd e surprised how infrequent specific BTC talk is here
svetlana: isn't vpn distributed? I'm rather surprised at that reaction
svetlana: I don't expect it to be very easy to attack ...
cazalla: mebe, no time for pokemon atm though
cazalla: bit bored of it atm tbh, might take a little break from it and come back to it in a few weeks
svetlana: I'll get someone to write a good guide on the bitcoin wiki (I'm not good at this subject and I found someone who is better)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla asciilifeform slow, but i see it. anyway, eventually derp will run out of juice in an hour or whatever xmas money affords and that's that.
kakobrekla: svetlana vpn is not much better than a bnc and tor wont fly here.
kakobrekla: whats next, sending people to ircloud ?
mircea_popescu: all this emotion talk, surprises, expectations, feelings and whatnot.
svetlana: irccloud is pretty central; I'll disappear for a bit, thanks for bearing with me
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, it is this years's Derp spores beginning to emerge from the damp log.
BingoBoingo hopes these sutures heal without much of a scar.
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BingoBoingo: Yeah, they claim to be able to over all, but they admit to 18k + "gone"
mircea_popescu: and they can cover 5mn+. through the process of what ?
BingoBoingo: On Coindesk of course. Never on their official site
mike_c: <@mircea_popescu> how often has it happened ot you ? << I like your system. But diana was proposing it as bulletproof or panacea for all ills.
mike_c: of which it is neither
mircea_popescu: mike_c was more curious trying to keep track of that eternal "nobody complains so no problems" thing
mike_c: that is a much bigger problem on the wiki. For you, you will get x comments and know there are 10x problems
mircea_popescu: "A total of 18,867.62695929 BTC were moved from BitStamp's hot wallet"
mike_c: I will get 0 comments and have no idea how bad the problem is.
mike_c: s/comments/complaints/
kakobrekla: the wallet is cold only if its empty, doh.
mircea_popescu: "BitStamp surpassed Mt Gox is trading volume in 2013, largely on the strength of its not being Mt Gox."
mircea_popescu: kako sounds so angry in interviews. you gotta relax for teh press man!
kakobrekla: that is taken from forums from years ago?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: If you want to write a "Bitstamp always sucked piece" Qntra could run it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43200 @ 0.00064132 = 27.705 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: You know desoxyn is a hell of an anti-depressant
mircea_popescu: "the smaller sum of 18,000 BTC missing presents a still more onerous obstacle than Mt Gox faced in absolute terms as that many Bitcoin are largely unavailable to most people at any price denominated in national currency."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo stop getting my casino cookie guy hooked on sugars.
kakobrekla: actually not reading chan to be reminded how all sucks helps as well.
BingoBoingo: Even with. With WoT you'd still likely need a more tangible item to trade for that many than $$$$... Prolly Plutonium would do.
mircea_popescu: poor kako. everyone sucks, and then he gets depressed and teh woman offers to suck him...
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Apparently you aren't supposed to use the powder for that.
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 17:47:47; *: asciilifeform has only a simple four-bit feelings register (sloth, avarice, lust, wrath)
BingoBoingo: So this internet of things... What the fuck is not intuitive enough about how a stove works already.
thestringpuller: the CEO of the company I'm at keeps using that word all the time
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: bona fide throne has homo sapien to catch turds with mouth
decimation: svetlana: why doesn't someone fix the 'problem' with cloaks by re-writing ircd into something sane?
cazalla: thestringpuller, didja know even pokemon has cloud storage for pokemans with the pokemon bank
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah, it has 99% accuracy!!!
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cazalla: not the app one you download but the paid monthly service, i thought it was more recent but perhaps i am wrong, i bow to your knowledge as a pokemon master
mircea_popescu: decimation there's a fundamental difference between those who use tools and those who make tools.
mircea_popescu: take a week to work in say a supermarket or something. the helplessness of common postmodern man (well, mostly woman) is impressive.
decimation: can you see if it is actually
http traffic or is it more pnp reflection?
mircea_popescu: <assbot> New lie detector relies on full-body suit for better accuracy | ITworld << makes me think... most dudes think they know fucking...
mircea_popescu: 220.255.1.101 - - [05/Jan/2015:09:16:48 -0500] "GET etc
BingoBoingo: At this rate actual IPv4 addresses will never be exhausted. too many are simply occupied atm by lusers and spammzors
mircea_popescu: ipv4 "not being enough" is a sad symptom of letting too many people in.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like "there are not enough places in college for all the kids"
BingoBoingo: Except now there are too many places in college for the kids, because people dun wanna go no moar.
mircea_popescu: so practical macroeconomics exercise. venezuela, which is in the shitter, quotes the dollar officially at 12 bolivars. meanwhile, black rate is ~170.
mircea_popescu: the govt is considering yielding, and bringing the official bolivar to 50ish.
mircea_popescu: should it do that, what's the likely evolution of the black market rate ?
BingoBoingo: Well, I imagine dilemma isn't too different from my present ability to buy a gallon of gas for $2 because America is dumping its entire oild reserve now to try to fuck Russia in this moment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39050 @ 0.0006564 = 25.6324 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity : Blowback on the Saudi Border – Senior General Killed ... (
http://bit.ly/1BCgjnJ )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Old lead mining town there. Can't expect much brightness there.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4870 @ 0.00066186 = 3.2233 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00063731 = 4.493 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation amusingly enough pretty much everyone is selling under production
mircea_popescu: if anyone cares, there was another ddos bout, but it didn't do anything.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16487 @ 0.00066355 = 10.9399 BTC [+]
punkman: so where do I get real router again?
punkman: as in old router/modem thingy?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29515 @ 0.00066764 = 19.7054 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00067046 = 5.7995 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00063473 = 12.5042 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $40 before Mar 2015"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1096/ Odds: 96(Y):4(N) by coin, 96(Y):4(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.12 BTC. Current weight: 99,703.
cazalla: BitBet.us - Rejected - that feeling of failure :\
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8006 @ 0.00062865 = 5.033 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14244 @ 0.00062903 = 8.9599 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8906 @ 0.00063521 = 5.6572 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00062969 = 2.1095 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00062519 = 8.8464 BTC [-]
cazalla: woohoo, go to shops, find an intact tower on side of road otw back
cazalla: "property of IBM Australia Credit Limited"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00062687 = 9.215 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00062519 = 4.1575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23193 @ 0.00062446 = 14.4831 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22722 @ 0.00063318 = 14.3871 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2375 @ 0.00079899 = 1.8976 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00065028 = 2.0484 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00064844 = 12.2555 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00062913 = 5.2847 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00062236 = 18.2974 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: oh. doh. stupid gribble
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37715 @ 0.0006136 = 23.1419 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: greetings, fellow wealthy elite
nubbins`: in fact, #2 from the publicly-available ones :D
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00063966 = 14.8401 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: glad to know you haven't been kidnapped by terrorists mr. nubbins`
mike_c: yw. a few bitcents in the tip jar :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00061287 = 5.1481 BTC [-]
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to send qntr shares over?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10429 @ 0.00063966 = 6.671 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15523 @ 0.00063966 = 9.9294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 155 @ 0.00670182 = 1.0388 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 127 @ 0.00807821 = 1.0259 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21971 @ 0.00064356 = 14.1397 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18244 @ 0.00063088 = 11.5098 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: BingoBoingo: good but it needs a destination
jurov: it's the same as last month?
mike_c: oh i miss mpoe-pr: "Yes, for as long as you don't try to take them out they're safe."
pete_dushenski: mike_c so anything exciting in the pipeline for btcalpha ?
mike_c: much improved bitbet analyzer coming soon. it is being stubborn about getting finished, but it will happen.
pete_dushenski: can't say it terribly influenced my decisions, or if it did, not for the better.
pete_dushenski: the optimised tangent always encourages what is imo over-betting
mike_c: well, the "correct" amount to bet depends on what you think the % chance of the event happening is.
mike_c: the new analyzer will tell you how much to bet based on your input of % of event happenning.
pete_dushenski: mike_c don't suppose there's been any bidders for wol eh ?
mike_c: six months of my life and $5k?
mike_c: i am worth much more than that.
pete_dushenski: your salary would be based on your skills as applied to this project
mike_c: how much do you think it would cost to hire someone to build something like that and trust that it would be done well?
mike_c: your estimation was $50 / hr. I doubt that is the case.
mike_c: that is excessive. call it $100/hr.
pete_dushenski: but of course the cost to build doesn't equal the value of the finished product
pete_dushenski: a useful product should be valued much higher, a useless product much lower
mike_c: don't believe it. i'm not for hire :)
assbot: Xoom Corp. CFO resigns after fraudsters steal $30.8M in corporate cash - San Francisco Business Times ... (
http://bit.ly/1Dg3uDG )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11628 @ 0.00065027 = 7.5613 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i guess the largest shock to noobs is swallowing the actual history of mp-*, as it was.
mircea_popescu: jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu care to send qntr shares over? << aye.
mircea_popescu: check that out, this new year was 1420070400. at some point during ny eve it crossed 1,42 trillion
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14256 @ 0.000655 = 9.3377 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if you add another whole paragraph about how dollars are inherently unsafe, used by terrorists and probably not going to "make it", culled directly from the idiocy spewed by idiots about btc
mircea_popescu: should be standard practice for any article mentioning fiat. the msm is doing it to us, obviously we'll be doing it to them. let teh public pick up the pieces.
mircea_popescu: i really don't think they should be called books properly.
mircea_popescu: clearly they infringe on facebook intellectual propertahs.
BingoBoingo: I didn't add much this time. Gotta think of more lines for future fiat articles.
mircea_popescu: mainly because it somehow elides that the problem is the dollar.
mircea_popescu: anyway, too lazy to go into the 2012-2013 collection of "media" derpage.
BingoBoingo: Takes time to get the venom ready. There's bound to be other stories to dip in the venom when its ready.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25925 @ 0.00065029 = 16.8588 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me... it must suck to be a lesbian. i mean a real one, the whatever, .4% demographic.
mircea_popescu: not only are your odds of finding a like minded soul vanishingly tiny, but you're deluged in all the fat idiots who think that they may "hate men", as something that's at their disposal, and it's your job and obligation to humor them, because "you're different".
mircea_popescu: and will raise hell if you dare observe that they're the same stinky, unbearable, impossible idiots that men think they are, pretending lesbianism is not a magical cure.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile gay men have for one thing five to ten times as many legit other gay men to meet, and looser dudes make up "men going alone" clubs instead of deciding they're now gay and the gay community must turn itself into mcdonalds to accomodate them.
TomServo: What would Gavin be referring to when he says "the reference implementation"?
mircea_popescu: but anyway, gavin hasn't been making any sense for a long time now.
TomServo: Yes, and reading this makes that ring even more true.
assbot: BitBet - Obama Approval Rating over 45% in 2014 :: 0.16 B (53%) on Yes, 0.14 B (47%) on No | closed 2 weeks 5 days ago ... (
http://bit.ly/1xOWMjn )
mircea_popescu: except they shoved a 46 in there at the end for the first week of 2015. which, of course, includes three days of 2014.
mircea_popescu: this was a coincidence, right ? and gallup actually conducts its polls, like irl, right ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00061584 = 10.6232 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: yes, the power of coincidence is great power.
Apocalyptic: wtf blogspot doesn't load at all without js, seriously... bitstein could you post a text pastebin ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5575 @ 0.00062973 = 3.5107 BTC [+]
jurov: BingoBoingo thestringpuller : qntra shares transferred
kakobrekla: heh, i sent some ppl to check the logs sometimes, mostly i get back "what language is this, english?"
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do we have to bring our own pitchforks or will they be provided for us?
kakobrekla: >Oil does not come out of the ground naturally,
kakobrekla: well it was discovered by coming out of the ground naturally.
kakobrekla: oh wow they had 8 POC implementations so far.
kakobrekla: they will run out of money by the 60th.
TomServo: Another 2k or so left their wallet recently, incidentally.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19387 @ 0.00063255 = 12.2632 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: they will be resupplied as long as derps have money I fear
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, wait for the new exclusive presale of new ethers, -50% NOW !
TomServo: Only gone down from the 27,000ish peak around Sep 1
kakobrekla: as far as i understand sibert now runs paper fund
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13231 @ 0.00061737 = 8.1684 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: how much did he have under his belt anyway, 20k, 200k ? i forgot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9681 @ 0.00061415 = 5.9456 BTC [-]
assbot: If you go on a Bitcoin fork, irrespective which scammer proposes it, you will lose your Bitcoins. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... (
http://bit.ly/1DgNTE2 )
TomServo: Found a coidesk article from April saying 100k
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> as far as i understand sibert now runs paper fund << kinda my understanding as well. but hey, if his customers are happy with it...
mircea_popescu: now if mod6 an' ben_vulpes + whoever else can contribute get snappy with the actual foudnation work, the beheading of gavin's pretense will come exactly in time for a smooth transition to a muchly superior alternative.
mircea_popescu: i dun imagine they'll pretend like they "tested" it in less than a few months, so there's still a season i'd guess.
mircea_popescu: and, of course, much like in the case of the "ethereum short" nobody actually bought, here is me looking for counterparties willing to buy gavin-bitcoins on the understanding that the transaction will only be valid on the gavin fork, but not in actual bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: i mean if you must, in a very 3rd hand way, "through ruining public schools" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform from the fertile union of a very strong "must succeed" ideology and a very narrow "math is hard" cluelessness.
mquin: mircea_popescu: we seem to be getting questions about this channel and cloaking quite regularly lately
mircea_popescu: anyway, includes a pastebin of the #freenode discussion etc.
kakobrekla: so if the majority of miners accepts the fork mpex is out of luck ?
mircea_popescu: if a majority of miners accepts the fork they still have to relay and mine all my txn.
mircea_popescu: for as long as there's one miner that doesn't, however...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla all i need really is a tiny miner. even gpus will do.
mircea_popescu: heck, if 99% of miners move to the fake chain all the better - lower real diff for a while.
mircea_popescu: the fake coins they mine won't actually be worth anything once the fake chain dies. sort-of longest orphan block in history.
mircea_popescu: hey, this is what people with gpus wanted all along, right ? a chance to mine again.
mircea_popescu: if any of the asic farms is stupid enough to update (which is sort-of doubt, but hey, stupidity is bottomless) then they get their wish.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "upgrading" in the limited sense of building on a 1mb+ block.
kakobrekla: yes but switching is not something that takes time or resources.
mircea_popescu: well no, switching doesn't. but mining in the dead chain takes as many resources as you're willing to throw at it.
kakobrekla: for pool op is something like apt-get update and done
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if anyone wants to make a pool for the purpose that can't hurt anything.
artifexd: I have decided that I like this ircd project.
artifexd: I like it to the point of being willing to commit time to do it.
artifexd: Would you like to discuss in here or keep it in the comments?
artifexd: mircea_popescu> am i s/open/artifexd/ ? << huh?
rithm: port 1337 tho kinda elitist don't you think
rithm: 7000 would be more in line as a "standard" irc port with security
artifexd: mircea_popescu> can you actually do it ? << There are mad amounts of detail to work out. That said, yes. I can do it.
rithm: so it's a new rfc and interoperability means nothing
rithm: i forgot it's unicorn land please continue
kakobrekla: i think the idea is to fix shit, not make it more beautiful.
rithm: seems like centralized mechanism to prevent mitm, really only becomes decentralize with more /links
rithm: i think i'm looking at it now
mircea_popescu: artifexd am i editing the thing to reflect you're doin' it.
rithm: the "thing" scales with /links to other "things"
mircea_popescu: <rithm> port 1337 tho kinda elitist don't you think << yes, i do.
rithm: so the client is the server in this scenario or not? is it more p2p or not because i'm not seeing this definition in the language
rithm: traditional irc is clinet/server but this isn't irc
mircea_popescu: much like in bitcoin, some will run larger clients which people can reliably connect to.
mircea_popescu: but they'd still be running the client code, more or less.
rithm: if it scales verically like "interaction" with this thing creates a new "server" then that doesn't sound centralized
mircea_popescu: <rithm> so it's a new rfc and interoperability means nothing << interoperability with what ?
rithm: not that architecture, but I'm not reading that definition on trilema
rithm: TFA title says ircd but it's not something to interoperate with any known ircd correct
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00061415 = 5.4659 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ftr, the car was called "a better horse buggy" originally.
punkman: forward secrecy would be nice if possible
mircea_popescu: if one doesn't buy into the entire "branding, even if or especially if before the fact" one's stuck with this. i don't mind it so much.
mircea_popescu: punkman forward secrecy is a one on one affair, mostly. the salt is supposed to implement as much as it's possible, and the lack of signatures.
mircea_popescu: perhaps i don't actually see the whole ball there tho.
mircea_popescu: but seriously, let's move all discussion on the article, otherwise it'll be hard to fish from logs later on
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> heck, if 99% of miners move to the fake chain all the better - lower real diff for a while. << why if 99% of miners move onto that chain, would anyone ever move off?
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean technically, i mean financially, nobody's accepting it for value)
jurov: but if 99% of miners move to the fake chain, then it will take years till difficulty adjusts.. or we§d have to fork it and adjust anyway
mircea_popescu: from the perspective of the blockchain, the situation is identical to "what woud happen if 99% of miners turned their rigs off"
mircea_popescu: well... nothing ? once they turn them back on they can mine again.
kakobrekla doesnt have great hopes for this upcoming blockchain size war.
jurov: and how it comes financially? suddenly the garzikcoin stop being excnaged for stuff cuz mircea said so?
mircea_popescu: no, just, mircea's bitcoin in its gavin aspect is being sold. so miners of gavin chain will have to compete with that.
punkman: btw the irc services library used by freenode is EOL'd
punkman: "There will not be another release cycle after Atheme 7.2. We encourage the community to fork Atheme and choose the most suitable forks to drive IRC forward. To this end, we will maintain Atheme 7.2 as a suitable base for forking until October 31, 2015, with all services terminating on October 31, 2016."
mircea_popescu: and merchants accepting it will have to somehow finance the risk, too.
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, as in you doubt the outcome will be in favour of b-a ?
mircea_popescu: i kinda doubt they actually have the guts to go through with it,
mircea_popescu: you don't always get the maximal fun out of situations.
mircea_popescu: jurov that 99% figure is mostly a joke. look at the exchanges as they are, think what even a 50k wall would do at say 30 usd per. how exactly are thjose 99% of miners going to finance operations for a week when their block reward is worth ~750 bux ?
mircea_popescu: at best gavin will manage to crush the gavin-bitcoin to whatever it was in 2012 and that's that.
mircea_popescu: nobody's pouring out peta hashes for free for weeks on end.
jurov: you mean you will dump 50k gavins?
mircea_popescu: show teh us how dumping's actually done. what, dja have any idea how long i pined for an opportuniy to play the easy side of this game ?
artifexd: asciilifeform: I was typing up that exact same idea
mircea_popescu: not what i've been hearing from teh chinese folks on the topic, but w/e, gavin's more than welcome to persevere in his usg-is-the-world delusions.
akisora: Thanks. I was wondering how things worked here since gribble is offline
akisora: I can't auth on gribble. Not that I have any ratings
kakobrekla: ill just say my guess is better than sexygingers.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, this "they'll mine at -ev" is from the days of gpus.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, miner farms are actually pretty stretched as it is, financially.
kakobrekla: i thought nobody even has an actual computer.
mircea_popescu: jurov this discussion entirely elides the more important point of "why in the fuck would miners even consider a proposal that inflates their main ware".
mircea_popescu: the block rewards keeps going down. how are they going to make money if there's no pressure on txn to pay ? is gavin going to give them it ?
Apocalyptic: this falls to kako's argument "they can't do math"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00064331 = 5.1143 BTC [+]
jurov: we don't know who the damn miners actually are anymore
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic kako's argument needs a "and the govt will print money and give it to them. forever" companion.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, it's as good as the argument that "my horse doesn't need to eat"
jurov: i see. so you are certain these entities are mostly motivated by profit.
Apocalyptic: "rational entities" will be sufficient imo
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the lulzy part in there is "clearly the thing that's not needed but we kept repeating that it is, is in fact needed. because...uh..."
akisora: did Gavin just say there are special rules for coinbase??
akisora: In the article linked in the reddit thestringpuller posted Gavin said "2. There are special rules for 'coinbase' transactions: there can be only one coinbase transaction per block, it must be the first transaction, etc."
akisora: What the fuck is that? lol
akisora: I don't understand what is going on with that
Apocalyptic: akisora, coinbase transactions, not "Coinbase" the company
mircea_popescu: the "coinbase" tx is the tx that pays the miners for the block mined, that 25 btc
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mircea_popescu: the us has a lengthy history of getting involved in wars it can't afford
mircea_popescu: and the us muppets are currently shivering to death in a "democratic" ukraine that CLEARLY had to have its block sizes increased.
mircea_popescu: i always hope on the side of getting to do some raping. and pillaging.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14962 @ 0.00064907 = 9.7114 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Burn the castle, storm the keep, kill the women, save the sheep.
mircea_popescu: "Saudi Arabia shipped 54 percent of its crude oil exports to Asia in 2013, with another 17 percent to the United States, according to Saudi Aramco's annual report. It shipped just 5.4 percent to Europe and 6.7 percent to the Mediterranean. In total, crude exports ran at 6.8 million bpd."
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00065281 = 20.4982 BTC [+] {5}