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assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 02:08:02; asciilifeform: what layer.
shinohai: wb mircea_popescu, when you have time I need a eulora pass
mircea_popescu: ima be in the game in half hour give you some noob items to get started.
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assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 08:39:38; jurov: only so that their balance sheet look right
mircea_popescu: it is the only conceivable reason and absolutely utterly sufficient.
mircea_popescu: if the natl bank balance sheet doesn't look right, everyone can go bite a steel girder.
mircea_popescu: and chew on it, happily, until such a time the balance sheet looks right.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 09:02:58; cazalla: anyone know what is going on here?
http://dpaste.com/2HMWH8Z.txt i get stuck at block 367896, tried copying over to another pc and same deal, hits block 367896 and shits itself and spews please update messages (which i even tried over the weekend for shits and giggles with their 0.11 bitcoin core client but it crashes with core dumps or some shit, can't even go from genesis to current block on a fresh insta
mircea_popescu: why exactly your thing is stuck is unclear. you can either build stator and use the same blk stuff, which will work ; or else wipe them and start over from one of the foundation nodes, which will also work.
mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "In November, thieves stole $1 billion from Moldova’s three biggest banks through a series of fraudulent loans and transfers. Moldova, sandwiched between Romania and Ukraine, is the poorest country in Europe; the theft amounted to more than an eighth of GDP. It has set in train a series of events that will leave the government unable to pay salaries by the end of the summer, according to the recently departed finance
mircea_popescu: "thieves". the moldovan equivalents of the ukrainian oligarchs just ran off with the loot.
shinohai: Hmmm. i think I have incorrect video drivers, but pass works, thanks
shinohai: ./eu.sh: line 3: 12524 Segmentation fault ./euclient
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 09:53:03; BingoBoingo: Well MS is probably going the Google/Android route. Less revenue from selling to users and more from selling the users.
mircea_popescu: the client's pretty shitty, it has at least two race conditions in it that yield that .
williamdunne would be interested in seeing Eurola corporations, with EEX to go with it
williamdunne: At what point does it stop being considered a game for legal reasons?
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:15:41; kakobrekla: intellectual class. < how is this not the bezzle
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i eat the world, the world doesn't eat me.
mircea_popescu: "legal reasons" stop being considered anything but a game.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:19:14; shinohai: got 'em, and yeah i have only been syncing against mp's node
williamdunne: Wasn't insinuating that legal issues would ever be an issue for Eurola. It's more that it'd be interesting to see how a regulatory body would handle an in-game stock exchange that trades companies that perform actual economic activity
☟︎ mircea_popescu: more interesting is how the in-game world would handle the "regulatory body", imo
mircea_popescu: i really don't give a shit for the other side of the coin
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assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 15:18:53; punkman: "I'm also on fiverr.com now, a site where you can offer any service for $5 a pop. I offer things like mini websites, setting up cloud servers, and many other tech jobs. The reality is my expertise is barely even worth $5 in today's market, so I frequently take on multi-hour horror projects on fiverr just to make four bucks (they take $1 commission)"
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:01:15; jurov: what has obama to do with it?
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mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-08-2015#1223204 << this is not actually true. i have had slavegirls make a living off those things, as a learning exercise. disciplined work ethic earns a very decent living, and forever will. the problem is that for most white adolescents/young adults, that work ethic has to be supported with daily beatings for the first quarter at least.
☝︎ assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:18; ascii_field: 'As a final station, I'd like to describe what online freelancer markets look like for people like me. On freelancer.com and oDesk, you compete with hundreds of lowest-wage programmers from third world countries for exceedingly crappy "projects". It's an unmitigated race to the bottom. Even if I could land these jobs in an environment where the competition basically works for free, there is no way to ma
mircea_popescu: he's just being a passive-agressive, self-entitled, delusional western schmuck.
mircea_popescu: let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: then he gets the question again, see if the answer's changed any.
mircea_popescu: and no, i wouldn't buy him the sandpaper to grind down his glans penis with.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:00:46; jurov: i will be paid *if* i someday make sense of eulora spaghetti client
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:42:57; williamdunne: Wasn't insinuating that legal issues would ever be an issue for Eurola. It's more that it'd be interesting to see how a regulatory body would handle an in-game stock exchange that trades companies that perform actual economic activity
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mircea_popescu: July’s advertising revenue was 3,700 USD, therefore the budget allocated for content for August will be 3,700 USD.
BingoBoingo: It's probably fiat from fiat scammers wanting "exposure" at any price
danielpbarron: BingoBoingo, she was polite but not enthusiastic about the proposal
mircea_popescu: "In spit of these events, we hope that CT will be able to continue pursuing its strategic of increasing it’s market share and become the one-stop news source for the crypto-community. We wish you to remain strong in spirit and for a quick market recovery." << i suppose the tie-in is something like "small blocks made our shit blog ad revenue shrink in an imaginary market that doesn't exist but we hallucinated into bei
mircea_popescu: it'd be great if they pursued their "strategic" of learning how to sp'eal i'ts wordses an sheit
decimation: imagine actual people in Victorian Britain asking the assistant scullery maid what she thought about finance
williamdunne: thanks boingo, dw though doesn't need voice for now. Just the beginning stages
decimation: "In 2009, households headed by adults ages 65 and older possessed 42% more median1 net worth (assets minus debt) than households headed by their same-aged counterparts had in 1984. During this same period, the wealth of households headed by younger adults moved in the opposite direction. In 2009, households headed by adults younger than 35 had 68% less wealth than households of their same-aged counterparts had in 1984."
decimation: you know, people say that bitcoin is a ponzi scheme, but really USD is the world's largest ponzi scheme - and keeps growing
mircea_popescu: so i hear it from a trustworthy source in sweden that the local libertards have come up woith this idea to replace whatever word is used for cunt with "snipa" which apparently means sparkle
mircea_popescu: there's the usual assortment of imbeciles trumpeting their incredible success whatever, uninteresting.
mircea_popescu: what IS interesting is that apparently the legendary snipe was found
mircea_popescu: decimation probably it's like rape or who knows. causes global warmyng.
decimation: actually it's because the womyn in question don't have cunts
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:12:42; danielpbarron: or gathering flotsam for me
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:24:58; trinque: ascii_field: I don't expect for a moment that you could possibly fake "stupid"
mircea_popescu: decimation that quote says to me "kids of today r tarded"
decimation: yeah, kinda. it goes to your point earlier with ascii - doing financial analysis the main business of the us is printing usd
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:25:48; jurov: lol such fantasies
mircea_popescu: decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (they aren't, they're just much better at not giving away their value for them)
decimation: true, but they also get direct payments through taxes, and indirect payments through money printing pumping up real estate assets
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:28:45; punkman: trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor
mircea_popescu: young people can fuck, don't need to eat and don't get sick.
decimation: yeah, but old folks can ensure they get their pound of flesh
mircea_popescu: explain this to me. how is it possible that 99 out of 100 richeest households in the us aren'ty headed by a 35 yo female, ex whore ?
decimation: your selection thing doesn't work on my browser
mircea_popescu: obviously, 1% richest would be the strato-rich, sure, ok.
mircea_popescu: but the remainder, ALL the upper middle class, should be kims.
mircea_popescu: You may think that point-whatever billion is hardly worth the mention, after all I'm white and male and go with the tech stuffs, rather than almost-not-black and female, going with the cocksucking-and-other-homemaking-stuff. You know, cheap textile "labels", perfumes, the Martha Stewart lot. Like this chick :
mircea_popescu: So it's all right and pooper that I'd be dealing in the tens of billions while her net worth is in the tens of millions, roughly enough to buy a whole closet where she lives. Right ?
mircea_popescu: a brothel does not lower the per-capita value of the individual whores.
mircea_popescu: i said "Something to sell", i didn't say nudity. that's free.
decimation: plenty of 'homemakers' are poor in the us
mircea_popescu: decimation not the question. the question is why is anyone else on the "just about rich" lists outside of these women.
mircea_popescu: why are atheltes poor if the stench of cunt bothers you, same argument.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:49:35; mircea_popescu: let him sign up for myfreecams and do anal until there's blood on the fucking dildos.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:32:52; mike_c: um, no?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you've reconstructed the discussion into a strawman and are getting the results you expected from it.
assbot: Logged on 21-02-2015 01:19:34; mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
decimation: well, there's also the social status of being the old jew who owns reddit
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 02:08:03; mircea_popescu: decimation this doesn't explain why the old farts are getting most of the fake bills.
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decimation: asciilifeform: yes, that was my point..
decimation: this is why I find the baby boomer whining about old people medical care and old people direct payments
decimation: "keep mailing us your taxes, your missing bank interest, and your real estate equity. Someone will totally mail you theirs when we are dead!"
decimation: asciilifeform: not that they had children who were raised to be +ev so they could afford to whipe dad's ass when he's old"
decimation: be on the receiving end of the above payments
decimation: which means you need to have a house bought before 1980 and be older than 65
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah except if you read my initial link, old people have 47x more wealth than <35
decimation: I suppose my hypothesis is that if assets were demoninated in actual hard currency they wouldn't be able to run this kind of ponzi
decimation: but home equity comes from bank debt, which comes from the combination of how much maturity transformation is allowed and how much money the fed prints..
decimation: well, to go to mircea's point, he can't buy 30 year old health
decimation: let's be more reasonable and say he's 65
decimation: asciilifeform: I made this point awhile ago about 'roth' ira accounts
decimation: they are better in the sense that usg promises not to charge further tax
decimation: you can even give to schmuckson jr - but as soon as he gets his hands on it the clock starts
gernika: Not much of it would make it to schmuckson jr after gift tax
decimation: no my point is that usg demands jr drains the account
decimation: why put that provision in the law at all?
decimation: unless you were intentionally ensuring that 'schmucksons' couldn't become wealthy enough to tell usg to fuck off...
decimation: but to connect with your point, clearly as long as you are wholly owned by usg, doing business in its monopoly money, don't be surprised when 'it giveth and taketh away'
decimation: if nursing home, doctor, real estate - had to be paid for in gold that couldn't be magicked into existance, the prices would change rapidly...
decimation: plus you would need fake 'blue collar' credentials
decimation: didn't last psychiatrist have a post about what is needed to 'prove' you are 'poor'? like no job, ever?
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decimation: asciilifeform: since you already have a record of paying taxes you can't fake disability
decimation: they will apply and qualify for the appropriate gov't subsidies too
decimation: asciilifeform: the raw fact is that around 60-70% of the us 18-65 population is only capable of 'unskilled' labor of this type at best
decimation: especially if he doesn't want to keep to a 'push shit out the door we'll fix it later' schedule
decimation: asciilifeform: somewhat related, I was reading about system 360 earlier today
decimation: interestingly even though there were many thousands made, hardly any survive
decimation: yeah there's a smbx 3600 keyboard on ebay for 1800
gernika: Following up on the "programmer lock-in" thread. Let's say you somehow saved up some capital and want to get out. What do you buy with the small amount of capital? Convencience store? Restaurant? Who will work there? Not your cousin from India - you're 3rd gen. American/Brittish/Whatever.
decimation: gernika: that's kinda the point of the earlier converation. as long as you count your wealth in usd, you are owned by usg and are wealthy at their pleasure
gernika: decimation You're right I see the tie-in.
decimation: asciilifeform: but the point I was making with the s/360 is that apparently the one the FAA used for ARTCC was a 'triplex' computer with full voting!
decimation: no wonder it took them 40 years to 'replace' it
decimation: I would bet $20 that they aren't gonna use a 'triplex' computer to replace it
decimation: I actually visited a fully-operating s/360 working at an faa ARTCC as a youth
decimation: the most impressive thing was the wall of lead-acid batteries - meant to run the thing for 10 minutes while the generators kicked-on
decimation: I recall the working s/360 as being very ... large
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assbot: ERAM crash sparked by insufficient RAM | Air Traffic Management | Air Traffic Management - ATM and CMS Industry online, the latest air traffic control industry, CAA, ANSP, SESAR and NEXTGEN news, events, supplier directory and magazine ... (
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decimation: ... memory and interrupted the computer’s other flight-processing functions."
decimation: "Reuters reports that a controller would have entered the usual altitude for a U-2 plane – about 60,000 feet – forcing the system to consider all altitudes between ground level and infinity and generating a conflict which caused the system to begin cycling through restarts."
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decimation: asciilifeform: actually it's a good point (the u2) - you see the results with that f16 vs cessna crash
decimation: us mil operates 'outside civilian system' on us soil to some degree
decimation: thus setting up the ironic situation where one side of usg wants to clamp down on 100 foot drone-flying while f16s blaze around where they please
decimation: and furthermore their brand new 'air traffic management' computer is vulnerable to resource starvation
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also ok to use live lusers << Pull request to Bitcoin Core GitRub?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, everyone worth talking to is in point of fact +ev in prisno.
mircea_popescu: talk to someone who's ever done any time. there's a ton of mexicans doing time in us prisons to make money for their family bacvk home.
mircea_popescu: actually i would guess currently the earned income this way is about 12-15kish a year.
assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 18:55:44; ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
mircea_popescu: decimation they';re not capable of it. there's this very insistently nursed delusion among white useless usians that somehow some types of work are "below" them in the sense that OF COURSE they could do it. not so. alf has it : fuck you for "being able to" put the fries in the frier once. do it every day forever.
mircea_popescu: not capable of intellectual work because not smart enough.
mircea_popescu: the only work they're capable of is reddit shitslinging, and there's a ton of dudes doin that cheaper and better already. easily 100x what's needed anyway.
mircea_popescu: also - programmer is not a craftsman. "programmer" is the boy equivalent of the "artsy" chick. one does stupid shit and "sells it" on etsy, the other does stupid shit and "sells it" on github
gernika: mircea_popescu I thought all usians dipped fries in the frier as teens or college students at least. Do the younger ones not go through that anymore?
BingoBoingo: gernika: Not enough jobs to hire them all for it
mircea_popescu: gernika is it a patently retarded idea to buy "restaurant". a restaurant is not a box of candies. if you haven't spent a decade working in one, you have no business OWNING one.
mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT
☟︎ mircea_popescu: fucking country was full to the brim of bad pink collar places like that badly run by inept cocklets who had somehow imagined they run themselves.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 01:07:52; TheNewDeal: I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable
mircea_popescu: gernika also all usians dipped their cock in pussy juice in college. afaik not done anymore.
mircea_popescu: and yes, sure there were folks who made a reputation. then as now.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 00:01:42; asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.
mircea_popescu: obama has a reputation for bringing nobel peace, and paracelsus had a reputation for curing spiritual warts.
mircea_popescu: and because who at the time is going to be your ossasepia.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 19:39:51; kakobrekla: fluffypony mp is a safe bet
mircea_popescu: seriosly, i'd like to point out the pattern of it. clearly the guy is buying tailings, ie, overflow traffic/whatever's available to fit his budget. ends up with what overflows.
mircea_popescu: i'm quite flattered, honestly. to think someone hates my shit enough that he's willing to spend to mess with it for part of a day likely more than what people paid to read it in its entire history...
mircea_popescu: sorta like the situation of a spy, really - the enemy is willing to spend millions to nail him, whereas his own team has to be fought for a 10k allocation sort of deal.
mircea_popescu: something like that, but really this looks more like butthurt noob "with connections"
mircea_popescu: nah. if "blue blood" i nthe sense of, willing to put up a fucking banner.
mircea_popescu: it's also a dumb system, for the record. tho perhaps less dumb and certainly dumb for different reasons.
mircea_popescu: (to understand why it's dumb - imagine your prize for rescuing drowning damsel is the damsel. what if you don't want damsels, just enjoy swimming ?)
mircea_popescu: shinohai : buncha other people are running eulora with gallium 4.0, incl on llvmpipe. that wouldn't likely be it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai but you're the only one wioth mesa < 10. so that'd likely be it.
mircea_popescu: you're model of how these guys' lives worked is really very bad you know.
mircea_popescu: in the case of avicenna it's not that bad, and a ton has been done to try and figure out his context.
mircea_popescu: ask anyone if what you're doing is programming and let me knopw what they say.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you were that unmessy to begin with anyway.
mircea_popescu: and you wanted to be my side of the street bicycle powered knife sharpener!
mircea_popescu: in other news - ima point out to our esteemed us smoking colleagues that actual habanero montecristos are about a dime a dozen here.
mircea_popescu: really, that's what he got out of whatever summary he read, that plato lamented writing. probably because "he despised poor people"
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: he actually admitted to reading summaries
pete_dushenski: in the footnotes of his original he cited motherfucking summaries written by contemporary tards
mircea_popescu: he was "being ironic", in current pop-parlance. had plato in fact and earnestly "bemoaned progress" played straight, he'd have complained about the innovation of allowing teen boys not be raped (mostly championed by socrates, for that matter).
pete_dushenski: he was being pseudo-intellectual and name-dropping like the thinly veiled charlatanic 'progressive' he is.
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and you're right. plato's lamentation of oral storytelling clearly wasn't his most serious gripe with technology
mircea_popescu: he was making a point. which point incidentally stands,
mircea_popescu: except apparently doesn't stand too well to the reading of barely literate goats bereft of the time to comprehend context.
pete_dushenski: "What we - and yes, I include myself firmly in this much despised camp – view as degeneracy are the expected developments ; that is, the highly predictable and completely foreseeable destruction wrought by making good things “accessible” and “easy-to-use.”" << this is what stands from plato's lament
mircea_popescu: not only was the man part of a b-a of his time, but they actually took power.
pete_dushenski: well, he was assumed too much rationality in man, no ?
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck happened there is still an open question.
mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
☟︎ gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: gernika are you like, the most well read of us on the people we don't like ?
pete_dushenski: i honestly just stumbled across this rao dude today and he happened to serve up the right fodder at the right moment. so i fired, fired, fired away.
gernika: mircea_popescu: somehow they lead me here. They got me thinking at least. Or at least trying to.
mircea_popescu: it's not a crime by any means. as they say, there's a blessing for everything
pete_dushenski: is gernika also a pro on twobitidiot and tim swanson ?
gernika: pete_dushenski sadly unfamiliar with their work. I totally missed out on the tardstalk madness.
pete_dushenski: gernika: eh, they're more twitterati ftr, for what little difference that makes.
gernika: pete_dushenski anyway I admit I was fond of the Gervais Principle, and it gave me a model to try and think about wtf executives and managers do all day.
pete_dushenski: though they each earned a contravex article in their respective heydeys.
pete_dushenski: heh. 7.3 gh/s gets you 10.5% of the ethereum mining power and the top individual miner spot.
gernika: pete_dushenski: cool. I think my problem with Rao now is that he bases the Gervaise Principle off of The Office which was written by kids like B.J. Novak - and how the hell does he know anything about what executives do? He may, I just don't see how he got the knowledge.
mircea_popescu: wait a second. you're not seriously trying to understand "what executives do" by reading bloggers' commentary on tv shows ?!
mircea_popescu: this is almost like trying to understand whether alf is a programmer by asking his girlfriend whether he likes the eggs runny.
gernika: mircea_popescu I had hopes, yes.
pete_dushenski: 'understanding an eagle's viewpoint by living as a worm in dirt'
mircea_popescu: anyway. have you happened to at any point notice the similarity between the "companies promoite the wrong people - not me!" and the usual complaint trhe same people make about women "they fuck jerks instead of seeing how much of a great sense of humor i have" ?
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mircea_popescu: because it's dunning-kruger all through. the dumbass who sucks at life can't correctly evaluate wqhat the people better than him are doing so they ARE better than him. and so he doesn't understand why they get promoted and laid.
gernika: mircea_popescu on top of that he argues its not even worth being promoted
mircea_popescu: all these complex (wholly self-contained) mind games to hack the girls panties from offa her fanny
pete_dushenski: no perspective, some imagination, and *poof*, magical stories that conveniently assuage the ego.
pete_dushenski: gernika: "no one NEEDS a ferrari anyways, they're just for showing off"
mircea_popescu: anyway! this is enouigh for me tonight gents. have a great one.
pete_dushenski continues reading the latest trilema, searching for mountain bike rentals, and hunting for the right air-cooled porsche deal
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "can be ridden for a lot of mileage, and simlarly"
assbot: Belxjander is not registered in WoT.
Belxjander: what the hell does it mean I'm not in the WoT
Belxjander: pete a guy living in Japan who has been reading here a long time
pete_dushenski: Belxjander: then you must be joking about not knowing what the wot means if you've been 'reading here a long time'
Belxjander: I'm in the middle of moving so don't really have time to mess with everything until after getting network access sorted at the new place
Belxjander: pete I'm not saying that... I'm surprised the bot can't find me in the WoT
Belxjander: then I'll screengrab this for now and get to that sometime after getting online at my new address then
Belxjander: okay...as soon as I can then...preferably with my desktop and not from this tablet and rpi-znc setup
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Now, you aren't still running OS X anywhere are you
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pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: actually, just now. i read about that flaw a day or two ago.
BingoBoingo: It is a pretty big, pretty intentional seemign Drepperization
pete_dushenski: i may be stupid in my choice of os, but not THAT stupid.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's never to late to embrace OS 9
pete_dushenski: i sorta remember it. i ran it on my first g3 tower iirc
Belxjander: using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche..
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assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:28:01; mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I can't go leaking seekrits though
jurov: if it was, you'd have folks waiting in line
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
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assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:16:26; mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT
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assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 05:10:01; gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, sounds yum.. i'm just about ready to get some spring veg into the seed propogator (warm mat and shit)
cazalla: either this coming weekend or next
Adlai: dat irc_smart_filter
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assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
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BingoBoingo: ^ Police grabbed him, and as they were arresting him, Labriado yelled several times that "This is for the black people!"
punkman: too bad he didn't have a bulldozer
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:30; ascii_field: ^ somebody buy this man a small airplane.
BingoBoingo: Well we are coming up on the one year anniversary of Ferguson going up in flames.
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assbot: belxjander is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tel belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.
BingoBoingo: Was a bit slow earlier it seemed. Just now reaching the inaccessible phase
mircea_popescu: Malwarebytes reports (archived) that a vulnerability in Apple's latest version of OS X which was reported to exist last month on Stefan Esser's blog (archived) is now appearing on malware in the wild.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It really only appears to have been spotted in use because some braindead adware used it on sudoers
mircea_popescu: Malwarebytes only noticed the flaw being actively exploited because a particular piece of adware had edited the sudoers file on a testing environment << lmao.
mircea_popescu: ad industry, still driving force behind 0day innovation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd expect by now most of the "no go" zones openly advertise "see a cop ? kill a cop" policies.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " The severity of the flaw though is such that when triggered it can edit any file on the affected machine including files." wtf is that mean
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BingoBoingo: two words "executable system" goes before last files
BingoBoingo: And qntra gets DDoS resurgent when update post button is hit
mircea_popescu: <punkman> Rao's markov output. << i wonder if this is the necessary fate of all long running "idea" blogs on the internets.
mircea_popescu: obviously this is a poorly researched field, for lack of substance to study. but particularly interesting to me for the obv reasons
BingoBoingo: Well you are creating a dataset. Probably bought yourself some time with the language switch.
mircea_popescu: (tbh, i think i'm buying a lot of time with my willingness to engage the frivolous, but maybe i'm just reading ideology into reality)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly my russian's not nearly good enough to actually write in it
mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a 500 year tradition of prison culture in esperanto.
mircea_popescu: wake me up when you can go through an entire conversation in huyesperanto
BingoBoingo: Well the best time to start building 500 years of prison culture in Esparanto is Today. Next best time tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: the criteria is, whether the remaining 5% are entusiastically sucking the cock or not.
mircea_popescu: that may seem like the driver of language shittyfication but it is not.
mircea_popescu: languages go to shit for two reasons. the main one is, elite being humble. the secondary one is, no nation.
mircea_popescu: languages spoken by proud elites of actual nations do greatr. whether the pride is justified or not, and irrespective of what it does to the country otherwise.
chetty: nation as a thing is rapidly turning into history
mircea_popescu: the once great french nation is going the way of all other failed experiments - austro-hungarian, united-statesian, whatever.
mircea_popescu: the chinese are doing fine, the russians are doing fine, even the fucktarded greeks or romanians are doing fine.
mircea_popescu: heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that.
chetty: greeks wont last long, neither will Romania since they are in eu
mircea_popescu: i don't know the greek situation well enough to quote chapter and verse past the general impression, but as to romanian i can sign you a warrant. robotzi is strictly sufficient proof, for decades, perhaps a century.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that. << It didn't survive. They found a corpse and built around it.
mircea_popescu: "de ce ?" (why ?) "de tot (forever). debarcader (drydock). de verde ce-i iarba (for grass is green). de treci codrii de arama (if you pass the bronze forrest (literary reference)). deranjat la ficat. (upset liver)."
BingoBoingo: I was under the impression survival didn't require resurection after dying on the cross
mircea_popescu: (actually the correct quote is "Foca:De ce? Mo:De tot, debarcader, de verde, ce-i iarba, de maine incepand, de treci codrii de arama, de departe, vezi aproape, destoinic, deranjat la ficat." but anyway)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform spontaneous tone poemz by two kids making a random cartoon show out of their bedroom.
mircea_popescu: can stand up with fucking poe, and english doesn't just sprout forth poe when scraping its knees on the asphalt in a rollerblading accident
mircea_popescu: but myeah. i am not the cunt's slightest fuck worried about assrussian.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date.
mircea_popescu: (anyway, lest the esl reader acquires the wrong impression from the logs - at issue is not that the thing was done, per se. at issue is HOW the thing is done. which is to say : shockingly unexpected, which requires a) a large body of work against which to expect pre-existend and b) a language strong enough to shock against that. these are plain impossible requisites in "reasonable" languages, and they can't be met by p
mircea_popescu: this is why poetry worked back in the day the english aristrocracy imposed it on the masses, but esperanto and ebonics do not nor will ever work.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date. << So did actual Greek, as did actual Fortran.
mircea_popescu: corporate job is idem "a shield" for usian fucktards, like working "for the govtr" was a shield that still got germans hung and soviets spat on.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the greatest mysetery of life is that there are shields you want and shields you do not want.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter versailles (which is how and why french died) was not a castle, but a jail.
mircea_popescu: i suppose phillipe equalite is the patron saint of dead languages.
mircea_popescu: some shields are simply not worth having. period. for any cost. they mostly cost "0" anyway.
mircea_popescu: tumblr pheminism is a great strengthener. for a live one.
mircea_popescu: not unless you imagine the stale sandwich 3 months in your fridge is a "backup copy" of a sandwich
mircea_popescu: tell you what - if we ever lose sandwiching, ima reinvent it
mircea_popescu: you know what ? there's a usable kb or two on github too
mircea_popescu: it is a culture with a fucktarded, buggy, slow implementation of these
mircea_popescu: i'd rather see the best in all fields, including poisons.
mircea_popescu: for them reddit IS the west, much like for yours truly, outlet store catalogues was
chetty: I wonder if being on the internet so much only makes you guys now see the 'west' as reddit and there just might be actual civilization out there if you get off the computers.
mircea_popescu: chetty you'll probably get asked what asciilifeform got asked yesterday re "industry".
chetty: funny, I recall life before I lived on the computer, and it wasn't that long ago.
mircea_popescu: ~I~ am not in a bubble, because i actually take untold hours each quarter to talk here.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, everyone else in fucking finance pretty much is
mircea_popescu: some, the brighter ones, are sort-of trying, twitter, what have you. maybe it works, who knows.
mircea_popescu: and if you wish you can say the same re programmers, and i'll buy it
mircea_popescu: but it also illustrates just how strained the melted cheese is
mircea_popescu: spartan may well speak with his sword, but this does not promise an easy translation.
mircea_popescu: i made this point, vaguely, when we were discussing our own survival, in the form of "lordship lists" etc. but it stands - if you have a systematic closure you're in a bubble.
chetty: hahahaha the old dont trust anyone over 30 has morphed into don't talk to anyone under 50
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punkman: from my spam folder: "Get paid like Seinfeld"
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mircea_popescu: "i know hoiw to make sitcom successful in big way (like seinfeld) so please send me some pics of you" ?
punkman: nah, usual "make money while you sleep" fare
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform long known, that machine. it consists of a belt and, as mo says, "totu-i din incheietura, ma, degeaba tot..."
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ? << i have an easy enough time, prequals : nude, nice tits, better ass, on knees.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!
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jurov: and that woman sure knew how to deallocate after, i spose
mircea_popescu: lol actually you should see hanbot these days, running containers and whatnot. you lot have ruined her.
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mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
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assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 16:03:01; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!
decimation: ascii_field: did you know that openssl has a pure c implementation?
decimation: remember how they have that 'we can load object code' functionality?
ascii_field brainfarted, thought 'boost' for some reason
decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
☟︎ decimation: nevermind the fips shit, they ship a pure c implementatin for cross-platform stuff
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 17:04:24; decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
ascii_field: possibly mircea_popescu was retching at the use of intel 'aes accelerator' instruction
mircea_popescu: do that, mgith as well "store your private keys with keybase.io indacloud"
mircea_popescu: same cloud the brits store the islanders to create that .io in the firsat place.
jurov: rly amd does not support? even via does
jurov: now i'm curious what alf thinks of via
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ascii_field: (iterators are invalidated by deleting element)
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mircea_popescu: "A blockchain explorer has ONE JOB: to show its users valid blocks and transactions. Blockchain.info does not do this. It's worse than worthless; it's deceptive."
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "venture capital" it has wasted to date.
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ascii_field: the whole notion of ten thousand people hanging off the teat of ~one~ node is braindamaged
ascii_field: all the turdation nodez may as well be one.
mircea_popescu: anyway. piuk can go dangle, i have very little respect left for his competence
ascii_field: 'The U.S. Government has these special requirements that you wouldn’t understand. Since they’re a government, they needn’t explain themselves, and we’re not going to explain either.'
punkman: "GnuTLS had support for OpaquePRF. Someone should ask Simon Josefsson why. OpaquePRF was very simple, so maybe he wrote it for sport."
punkman: "If I call NSA “Clyde Frog” long enough, eventually other people will too. Someone has to start the meme! "
mircea_popescu: and ftr, the nist ec crapolade was ALWAYS regarded as suspiciouys at best "by people in the business"
ascii_field: the question of 'what prng to use' has never differed from the question of what kind of animal's shit to smear in wounds
ascii_field: yes, medieval doctors may have debated, horse vs cow
mircea_popescu: anyway. i don;t know who this guy is and don't care what he [thinks he] may have to say on the topic.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: looks to me like he's trying to unearth names/faces
assbot: How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you're talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... (
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field he is starting in the wrong place and therefore may never succeed.
ascii_field does not know where 'right place' is, so won't comment
mircea_popescu: 1. take a complex situation C about which propositions may be formed Pi which are decidably correct or false through a T(Px) function.
mircea_popescu: 2. take a list L of actors Lj , who decide (D) on which P to rely, and are scored by function S(Lx), according to the impact of their reliance on false P (which is uncomputable at all points before running S)
mircea_popescu: 3. create a set S of twobitidiots Sk, who put forth statements Q about various P, so that the actual T(Q(Px)) is normally distributed over the list S.
mircea_popescu: in this model, the fact that Sy displays any score on the basis of his past emitted Q is no proof of anything.
mircea_popescu: in particular no trust or crediblity may attach to that record, for the simple reason that THAT IS HIS FUCKING JOB.
mircea_popescu: the entire list S exists so that "credible" S's can appear so that selected Ls can be fucked over.
mircea_popescu: in any case : i am not valuing nor even reading "opinions" of anon folk ie Qs.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'phuctor debunked' german
mircea_popescu: specifically because if one of these is not open to challenge, he is ipso definition an S. and anons are ipso definitio not open to challenges
mircea_popescu: ascii_field like the whole swathe of "bitcoin experts", and also like "cryptography experts" of the ilk of some nobody in particular running "socklpuppet.org"
mircea_popescu: anyway. this argument is both too complex to be readily "intuited" by the children and also its results are deeply inconvenient to their wants and expectations (mostly of playing the spy and generalsly speaking "mattering" in their own head), and so i don't expect the S process to go away. it's prolly going to be productive enough to become a mode of "culture" on the interwebs.
mircea_popescu: at the very margin, this discussion reduces to the discussion of al schwartz' lack of access to measuring processes, if you recall it.
mircea_popescu: because yes, if science were "open to all comers" in this sense, it'd just get ddos'd into the shit by S's.
ascii_field: see also the maths profs shredding unsolicited fermat 'proofs' unread
mircea_popescu: anyway. makes for great tumblr stars, goes splendid for an ama, can prolly retire to doing voice-overs for "did you know" factoid tv/nature show.
mircea_popescu: but derived from it, a decent pseudo-AI project would be to make a long list of propositions, sort them in a thousand or so lists (ie blogs) and "publish" "articles".
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the one twist is, as far as i can tell, most of these 'plowing flies' disinfo agents are... unpaid
mircea_popescu: which is why i propose to do the job with a computer. it's plowing, there's no reason to pay for it.
ascii_field: iirc already proposed in the mircea_popescu article re: reddit spam
mircea_popescu: imo the entire menagerie, orlov, yarvin, whoi have you are simply doing this by hand
ascii_field: (not that they are honest people, necessarily - but not shannonizers)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you recall, i challenged orlov and he came out with "I am a robot doing the above".
mircea_popescu: when we discussed the "inflation in romania" factual error in one of his articles.
ascii_field: they started paying yarvin to shut the fuck up
ascii_field: 'helped' in the basic sense of 'no more mold buggered'
decimation: specifically I'm thinking of him being booted from that conference
decimation: yeah but his blog was already dead for at least a year or two
mircea_popescu: dear peoiple : seriously, stop with the google blogs. you're indistinct.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, i have to strike the foregoing. i never challenged orlov.
ascii_field: for similar reason as to why mircea_popescu doesn't want to buy his isp trunk line
decimation: in yarvin's case I always thought it was attaching irony to google.com
decimation: but also because poor/cheap/google is 'free'
ascii_field: many folks can't be arsed to administer a box
decimation: as yarvin wrote: "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory."
ascii_field: two basic but imho entirely separate problems with mr mold - a) he wasn't entirely mentally clean of usg to begin with ( most of mircea_popescu's observations fall into (a)) b) he was approached, as early as 2010, and told 'your crackpot os will be funded and you can sleep ad libitum, but there is a price'
ascii_field will transmit s.nsa broadcast when he gets home
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't see anything directly wrong with that model.
decimation: ascii_field: and if b happened it almost certainly was at the foot of peter thiel or one of his cronies
ascii_field: decimation: we more or less know it was thiel
mircea_popescu: if that bunch of watsap scammers got 20bn, i have no idea why anyone would take less than 10 bn a head from usg.
mircea_popescu: i never heard of anyone sleeping as you say through "Taking what was given"
ascii_field: the alternative package probably involved feeding his wife and children to pirannhas
mircea_popescu: those 8 years were started in a much better time for usg.
decimation: well, given that his project has a gigantic red target painted on the side for all amateur-political enforcers
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he's part of the annointed caste now. if the dough runs out, can dilute the shares, etc
mircea_popescu: so i take it the leaky submarine's still being worked on ?
ascii_field: i get daily crapolade in the mailbox still
ascii_field: (can't be arsed to read... for a while now)
mircea_popescu: tbh, it has all the makings of a great DoD "investment"
ascii_field: (not many flies are fluent with hindley-milner type system)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: same 6 or so bozos working still
decimation: he had some hire working in his closet I thought
ascii_field: he had some bloke as live-in human compiler, aha
decimation: the spirit of the thing seems right: let's bail on the internet as it is a god foresaken hellhole
decimation: the problem is that computers as-existing are in the same box
ascii_field: it was never a good candidate for dod sc4m4tr0n because included too much of mr mold's 'thinking man likes to use his brain' masturbatronic element
mircea_popescu: us army used to consist of ... soldiers. now it's mostly acneic tomboys of indeterminate gender wanting to play counterstrike
decimation: it would have been interesting as a dod project back in 1980
decimation: yeah I've read it. I even attempted to learn urbit, before much good documentation was abvailable
mircea_popescu: it seems more akin to some sort of performance act than speech.
mircea_popescu: my usual approach to reading text of unknown origin is not so different from the pagerank algorithm, whereas the meaning of discourse nodes (words, generally) is narrowed by the other nodes in the graph until the whole thing collapses into something.
ascii_field: i can't translate, but can offer a barf bag.
decimation: "More: Understand that our teetering, broken, stringy technology stack was written by Boomers, mostly, and other people who didn't know any better. Charitably, the technology wasn't mature, though the luminaries and prophets of the era would vigorously disagree. We're inheriting it, along with the pride of a lifetime's work; rather than take it behind the barn and shoot it, let's gently put it out to pasture and ...
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is related to the "feelings driven" pseudo cultural economy.
jurov: mircea_popescu: one qntra share is missing, it makes together 10601, i got 10600
jurov: or, better, tye report is wrong?
jurov: yes, it's 11220 together
ascii_field: 'SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD 4.06-pre12 Copyright (C) 1994-2012 H. Peter Anvin et al' << noticed today
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:29:55; mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.
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punkman: fucking ants everywhere digging holes through my walls, I think I need to call a professional
punkman: how the fuck do ants cut through concrete?
jurov: or it's not actually concrete but cardboard
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jurov: i prefer to wonder when they learn to live in symbiosis with spiders
ascii_field: from (back in the stone age!) the 'tunes' project
ascii_field: which (i learned many years later) was quite like what i want to do, except that they did not (to my knowledge) understand hardware and - it involved a few dozen people (!) who agreed on virtually nothing
ascii_field: he sold his almost immediately after i did, iirc
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ascii_field: 'In what universe does it make cryptologic sense to keep an unchanging key around for years (decades? optimistically - centuries?) on end?' >> i said this to mr mold and i said it also to mpex !
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decimation: there's no mechanism for "malloc" instead - only "calloc"
decimation: because apparently the c++ committee couldn't imagine a use case where you would like to allocate memory but would rather write to it yourself
danielpbarron: oh, on a somewhat related note: the reason I even met Fare was because I suspected that he was friends with one of my assassin targets (turned out to be false intel) so I struck a conversation with him to confirm or deny my suspicion
danielpbarron: i had tracked one of my targets down and found him in the main assembly space, and was prepared to follow him out (as you cannot kill someone under the roof of an offical event) but then I saw Fare walk in and I didn't want him to see me following the guy, so I walked up to him instead, and in so doing, lost my actual target :/
ascii_field: danielpbarron: he was a relatively early 'computer sucks and must be rebuilt' person. sadly, i've no idea what he is up to these days.
☟︎ danielpbarron: well I gave him my card with my fingerprint and url to my website (that links mostly to b-a stuff)
danielpbarron: we also emailed eachother signed keys, and I told him to get in the WoT, but he hasn't replied to that
ascii_field: and, dollars to doughnuts, that reason is 'that place must be about bitcoin, i don't have any and how the everliving fuck would i ever get any, what am i to do there'
danielpbarron: i don't recall what I said to him, but I'm sure I explained the WoT as I did with most people I met there
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 05:09:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
ascii_field: if this is so, it means that ~everyone who has subscribed to mpex~ is 'early adopter'
ascii_field: but more generally, inkjet is a scam from day 1
ascii_field: there is not an elixir to make it into anything other than a scam
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Sure, but now nubbinsisms are apparently being targeted at lusers
ascii_field: the printheads, for instance, are typically designed to fail rapidly
ascii_field: 'but it isn't an ink cartridge! stfu and buy'
BingoBoingo back in school when needed to print switched to "laser" after buying second black scamjet cartridge
decimation: apparently a binary system: silver nitrate and asorbic acid
decimation: most other circuit printers use silver 'nanoparticles'
ascii_field: ever make 'resistor' with pencil as a boy ?
decimation: which suck even more, but have longer shelf life
decimation: they are 'iterating' toward a solution, you see
decimation: at any rate I"m not sure why anyone would want to 'startup' electronics hardware manufacturing - especially board-level stuff
decimation: the margins are razor-thin even if you have adult gear
ascii_field: 'macrofab' went in the entirely other direction (using slaves)
decimation: that seems like a much better solution actually
decimation: well, it depends on quality of slave - and his instructions
ascii_field: smt parts were not designed to be placed by hand
decimation: my understanding is that their 'special sauce' is that they are able to print very detailed instructions for slave to follow
decimation: but still need human to execute instructions.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 20:40:56; jurov: they don't, they fly in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00052935 = 27.1557 BTC [+] {4}
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.61, Best ask: 285.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 285.61, 24 hour volume: 12327.26729006, 24 hour low: 281.25, 24 hour high: 285.94, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15963 @ 0.0005081 = 8.1108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.000516 = 10.853 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00050177 = 20.6729 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 14:10:12; mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
jurov: "a constructed language based on predicate logic"
jurov: lenin, the first eulorian
jurov: плоский слиток шлакa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11055 @ 0.00052743 = 5.8307 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: perhaps better: сгусток шлакa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00053309 = 8.5827 BTC [+] {2}