tmsr - Search: open sores

diana_coman: hmmmm, let me see but I think it was just a mention in one of those open sores rants

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-12#1935755 <-- neato! are these chan-boards open sores? prolly worth stealing the coad while at it.

asciilifeform: open sores -- evidently, catching up, догоним и перегоним (tm)(r)(hrusch) !111

asciilifeform: thing hid in a cave from the 'open sores movement', and so kept some semblance of sanity , but at the cost of becoming essentially 'found martian artifact' from asciilifeform-circa-2016 pov

asciilifeform: e.g. that poor bastard mircea_popescu dug up, with the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-23#1898935 , he has some obv. relevant 'death of open sores' history in there, but i can only stomach maybe 15min at a time of reading his chronicle ☝︎

asciilifeform: dunno, peddling snake oil for money is not what i associate with 'amateur'; it's quackery. amateur typically writes 'into desk' and doesn't pollute environment. tho i suppose 'open sores' is changing this.

a111: Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit

asciilifeform: ( theoretically theirs is 'open sores' but building it requires a multi-GB toolchain that i never succeeded in getting to run )

asciilifeform: ( observe that even FG i had to design on a warez cad, after wasting ~months~ on trying 'open sores' variants; but at least it was much lighter-weight / non-winblowz item. still had to be cracked, & run on a 'toilet'. )

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 06:10 a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 01:07 Mocky: "must be open sores contributor, love python 3" what's next? "line cook, must love toasters with cancel buttons"

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 01:07 Mocky: "must be open sores contributor, love python 3" what's next? "line cook, must love toasters with cancel buttons" ☟︎

Mocky: "must be open sores contributor, love python 3" what's next? "line cook, must love toasters with cancel buttons" ☟︎

phf: i was very much insulated from open sores lisp with acl, just sort of assumed that they were all basically the same. turns out that common lisp world is a cargo cult. for when spec was never supposed to be and all be all: it was a _thin_ common ground of a variety of rich lisp ecosystem. writing _just_ to spec is an exercise in frustration..

asciilifeform: i expect academitards-with-seekric-sauce are 98% 'if i published, errybody will know that it never worked', 1% 'if i published, errybody will know that it consists of ripped off old open sores' ( personally met one of these ! ) , and 1% 'it worx and we're gonna patent!111 and getrichquick' , bolix-whisperer style ( i have no direct evidence that these exist, but some indirect clues )

asciilifeform: spreading worx pretty easily when you lift all of the iron-specific C hairballs from existing open sores

asciilifeform: reminds me of 'reactos' ( another oddball 'man alone' item; believe or not : attempt to open sores re-create... winblowz )

a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 14:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik.

asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik. ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << i'll add to this, that i've been to hobo encampments and found them to be... ~substantially~ cleaner and better organized than the 'open sores' atrocities. i suspect that the shitgnomatic level of horror is only found in dilapidated third world psych wards where inmates live in own shit. ☝︎

phf: in related i was recently rereading old issues of phrack, and the first couple of editions are more "anarchist cookbook" than the late 90s thing, e.g. in issue 2 has instructions for building a classic single shot "gun" out of wood and pipe. also much more practical piece of "open sores arms"

a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 21:25 asciilifeform: was given by asciilifeform as example of 'what the 'open sores arms' people might do if they weren't dropped on their heads as children'

asciilifeform: was given by asciilifeform as example of 'what the 'open sores arms' people might do if they weren't dropped on their heads as children' ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma have to do a detailed dig in re the linux tty thing. but this could take a while, and no guarantee of finding culprit in the 100s of MB of open sores liquishit. so you will need the buffer+timeout thing, i suspect.

a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:35 asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform's pov re the retardation of 'open sores' , rms et al, is that they are tards not because they throw open the coad to allcomers but because they have no concept of wot , therefore were unable to conceptualize vtronics .

asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform's pov re the retardation of 'open sores' , rms et al, is that they are tards not because they throw open the coad to allcomers but because they have no concept of wot , therefore were unable to conceptualize vtronics . ☟︎

mod6: I figured, can't really help it with the old client. Was thinking maybe there is a new one in the works with some stuff that need not be open sores.

asciilifeform: trinque: battlefield version of the hypothetical device would need a purpose-baked (fpga) sdr. but for experiment, could use e.g. 'hackrf' ( i have it, but hesitate to recommend it to others, it comes with a massive ball of open sores rubbish, really wants an ab initio driver , ars longa, etc )

asciilifeform: re 'surprised by wealth folx', asciilifeform was somewhat astonished to discover that esr's infamous 'open sores ups project' features not a 'make own heavy industrial ups to run for 3 days' but instead... clone of one of those laughably miniature things they sell at konsoomer kompooter shops, 'run for 3min so you can shitdown'

asciilifeform: while in other 'open sores' idiocy, https://archive.li/GXp09 >> 'With not being able to deliver a 100% fully free software / libre system, the Librem 5 smartphone will rely upon a secondary processor for dealing with the necessary binary blobs for hardware initialization to keep them out of touch from the U-Boot boot-loader and Linux kernel' << pushed as ~feature~ , didjaknow.

asciilifeform: they run on trooly vertically-integrated arse-mouth system, verily; asciilifeform to this day has not succeeded in building any of their 'open' sores of e.g. cr50

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in other twists, not only is neither key in the cr50 fw image i have, but the verification routine does not correspond to the 'open' sores.

asciilifeform: ( tbf, not limited to open sores, e.g. microshit world is just such a katamari )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , in one of his essays, described how gurlz from nato reich who enlist in his harem sometimes suffer from the effects of fat-soluble poisons, which accumulated in their meat, as the fat burns up in exercise. there is a similar malady suffered by escapees from 'open sores' world on those occasions when they show up here. the toxins gotta work their way out.

asciilifeform: that was actually asciilifeform's 'omfg apparently i'm a moron' moment re open sores 'culture'

asciilifeform: i still recall the 1st time i heard of an open sores thing being added to index librorum prohibitorum or whatever the derps call it nowadays. iirc was in early 2000s, some 'unauthorized' mud client, banned at the behest of blizzard co

spyked: re. nsa laptop thread: olimex ppl (huh, it seems I keep mentioning these folks) have a "diy laptop kit" whose specs are very similar to the c101pa (for comparison: http://archive.is/4cp8W vs. https://www.olimex.com/Products/DIY-Laptop/KITS/TERES-A64-WHITE/open-source-hardware , the latter doesn't seem to archive for some reason). it's a candidate for my (by now long) hw-to-buy list, the "open sores diy" aspect is otoh the biggest

asciilifeform: there's an ancient and now-unsupported closed warez turd. and a buncha open sores that dun work ~at all. ( on linux, i dun give a fuck what exists for microshit )

asciilifeform: speaking of subj, but also of open sores, anybody ever played 'freeciv' ?

asciilifeform: phf: all of open sores is crawling with cockroaches, i'd be quite surprised if sbcl turned out to be inexplicably clean even now

asciilifeform: because the shitware iron does not in fact follow anything resembling a spec. it follows a liquishit that would take up five walls of book if ever put to paper -- which it won't be -- and co-developed with winblowz shitware driver, which ~runs, and rathead shitware 'open' sores driver, which runs, and naught ever else.

asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform built 'icestorm', 'arachne-pnr', with plain gcc 4.9 ( the only concession to idiocy on the test machine was python3 ) . and even MOST of 'yosys' ( the last step in the ice40 open sores fpga toolchain ) built. in fact, whole thing built, but linker barfs

asciilifeform: phf: i'd doubt that the existing open sores turd would do the job ( esp how 'render without gpu' is a more or less entirely untested component, 'everyone has gpu!111' etc )

asciilifeform: ^ d00d kicked out of genderfuckshitware open sores 'project' for... being aficionado of ancient s&m fiction

asciilifeform: the almost forcible induction of gendercommitters, wimminzintech, etc. mushminds into open sores -- tops off the supply of deniable, 'free-range, organically grown' liquishit

asciilifeform: (yes, motherfucking binaryturdolade in 'open sores' tars. e.g., graphics.)

ben_vulpes: for example, somehow dropbox let its engineers haul off and do an open-sores python reimplementation

asciilifeform: anyway i described an algo that wasn't retarded and doesn't pull in 10,000 lines of open sores ???. and it's as if this neverhappened, for some reason.

asciilifeform: the other fundamental problem, and the reason why asciilifeform's interest in recycling old fs for trb is ~0, is that imho trb needs LESS dependency on open sores crud, rather than moar

asciilifeform: at this point ftr i'm quite firmly convinced that baking in massive open sores shitbucket, e.g. ext4, is The Wrong Thing

asciilifeform: however it does have the advantage of not using 10,000,001 lines of ext4 open sores crapolade for anything.

asciilifeform: it was never anything other than obvious that -- in practice, in the field -- the open sores folx don't think much of this 'free sharing' thing.

asciilifeform: there's http://www.sagemath.org but it is very 'open sores' travail arabe.

asciilifeform: re 'open sores', even a ~very~ small gadget, and in fact one that started life as a stand-alone library: mpi (bignum) piece of gpg 1.4, was quite astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595417 << firefox, if you have not had the misfortune to look at the internals, is quite like other 'open sores' in that it is ~impossible to meaningfully recycle any part of it in 'other' (supposedly they are in fact ~other~, and not minor variations on the original) projects ☝︎

asciilifeform: esp. because ciphers are a blindingly obvious 'political art', where if you aren't schneier et al, you don't get printed in journals, invited to conferences, implemented by open sores monkeys, etc.

asciilifeform: and where else in the wonderful world of open sores is there more of this same.

asciilifeform: (in case anyone 'missed the memo' : open sores cad is a sad, sad joke. and no, i dun care if this does not sit well with somebody. it is -- a fact.)

asciilifeform: meanwhile, so i get a crate with the infamous 'lattice ice' fpga. and go and set up the OPEN SORES!!!11111!!!! toolchain. and lo and behold, it not only bristles with CODE OF CUNTDOCT!!111 etc., but... won't even build

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the thing hangs on a megatonne of open Sores shitware that is >trb-sized

mircea_popescu: more and more it becomes evident that whenever something's documented by the open sores folk, it's always for a reason ; and the reason is always ^

Framedragger: heh, i've considered contributing to monero as per fluffypony's suggestion, they have some kind of open sores bounty program, too. but yes the whole ring signature thing etc - too 'mysterious'

asciilifeform: one of the difficulties of the student is that most 'adult' lisp work took place in the era before 'must publish everything', 'open sores', etc.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tale is not interesting because microshit phones home, this is known even to schoolchildren, it is interesting because 'open sores' now INSISTS on MICROSHIT update enabled

asciilifeform: this is imho worth putting on record, because the perhaps one and single edge ye olde winblows world had over open sores was 'self-contained, static-exe' etc.

a111: Logged on 2016-10-01 21:30 asciilifeform: the new tarver is instead a case of 'my sbcl-with-serial-number-filed-off-pays-my-mortgage, open sores suxx!111'

asciilifeform: the new tarver is instead a case of 'my sbcl-with-serial-number-filed-off-pays-my-mortgage, open sores suxx!111' ☟︎

ben_vulpes: in other open sores chuckles "The encoded strings in the tests were created with Andresen's unmodified code, so they are correct. Probably."

mircea_popescu: so stuck importing utf, ntp, "open-sores-sl" etc into everything or bust

mircea_popescu: the correct move here if we had spare engineers would be to run a complete review of open sores crypto material generators, starting with openssh

asciilifeform: this is a mega-observation, and summarizes why i have 0 interest in involvement in non-tmsr 'open sores' ever again.

Framedragger: cf. other open sores stuff maintained by open sores people in no-one's wot here.

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the brave young world of microshit-flavoured (yes) open-sores, https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/pull/1901

trinque: buddy of mine had a twatter somewhere listing the various open sores curl-to-sudos

mircea_popescu: but really, obscure open sores neckbeards on a nowhere list ? what the FUCK is wrong with brains that makes them rot so.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the open sores thing is a clusterfuck of a depth that i cannot even convey in words. e.g., in the past few days i have uncovered catastrophic bugs in gcc, which NO ONE will ever fix, or likely even replicate, because they ONLY show up when you try to build version X with version Y, for particular pairings of X,Y, and similar