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asciilifeform: spreading worx pretty easily when you lift all of the iron-specific C hairballs from existing open sores
asciilifeform: reminds me of 'reactos' ( another oddball 'man alone' item; believe or not : attempt to open sores re-create... winblowz )
asciilifeform: sorta like an open sores crapple.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 14:14 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << i'll add to this, that i've been to hobo encampments and found them to be... ~substantially~ cleaner and better organized than the 'open sores' atrocities. i suspect that the shitgnomatic level of horror is only found in dilapidated third world psych wards where inmates live in own shit.☝︎
phf: in related i was recently rereading old issues of phrack, and the first couple of editions are more "anarchist cookbook" than the late 90s thing, e.g. in issue 2 has instructions for building a classic single shot "gun" out of wood and pipe. also much more practical piece of "open sores arms"
a111: Logged on 2018-08-06 21:25 asciilifeform: was given by asciilifeform as example of 'what the 'open sores arms' people might do if they weren't dropped on their heads as children'
asciilifeform: was given by asciilifeform as example of 'what the 'open sores arms' people might do if they weren't dropped on their heads as children'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma have to do a detailed dig in re the linux tty thing. but this could take a while, and no guarantee of finding culprit in the 100s of MB of open sores liquishit. so you will need the buffer+timeout thing, i suspect.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-17 13:35 asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform's pov re the retardation of 'open sores' , rms et al, is that they are tards not because they throw open the coad to allcomers but because they have no concept of wot , therefore were unable to conceptualize vtronics .
asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform's pov re the retardation of 'open sores' , rms et al, is that they are tards not because they throw open the coad to allcomers but because they have no concept of wot , therefore were unable to conceptualize vtronics .
mod6: I figured, can't really help it with the old client. Was thinking maybe there is a new one in the works with some stuff that need not be open sores.
asciilifeform: trinque: battlefield version of the hypothetical device would need a purpose-baked (fpga) sdr. but for experiment, could use e.g. 'hackrf' ( i have it, but hesitate to recommend it to others, it comes with a massive ball of open sores rubbish, really wants an ab initio driver , ars longa, etc )
asciilifeform: re 'surprised by wealth folx', asciilifeform was somewhat astonished to discover that esr's infamous 'open sores ups project' features not a 'make own heavy industrial ups to run for 3 days' but instead... clone of one of those laughably miniature things they sell at konsoomer kompooter shops, 'run for 3min so you can shitdown'
asciilifeform: while in other 'open sores' idiocy, https://archive.li/GXp09 >> 'With not being able to deliver a 100% fully free software / libre system, the Librem 5 smartphone will rely upon a secondary processor for dealing with the necessary binary blobs for hardware initialization to keep them out of touch from the U-Boot boot-loader and Linux kernel' << pushed as ~feature~ , didjaknow.
asciilifeform: they run on trooly vertically-integrated arse-mouth system, verily; asciilifeform to this day has not succeeded in building any of their 'open' sores of e.g. cr50
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in other twists, not only is neither key in the cr50 fw image i have, but the verification routine does not correspond to the 'open' sores.
asciilifeform: ( tbf, not limited to open sores, e.g. microshit world is just such a katamari )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , in one of his essays, described how gurlz from nato reich who enlist in his harem sometimes suffer from the effects of fat-soluble poisons, which accumulated in their meat, as the fat burns up in exercise. there is a similar malady suffered by escapees from 'open sores' world on those occasions when they show up here. the toxins gotta work their way out.
asciilifeform: that was actually asciilifeform's 'omfg apparently i'm a moron' moment re open sores 'culture'
asciilifeform: i still recall the 1st time i heard of an open sores thing being added to index librorum prohibitorum or whatever the derps call it nowadays. iirc was in early 2000s, some 'unauthorized' mud client, banned at the behest of blizzard co
spyked: re. nsa laptop thread: olimex ppl (huh, it seems I keep mentioning these folks) have a "diy laptop kit" whose specs are very similar to the c101pa (for comparison: http://archive.is/4cp8W vs. https://www.olimex.com/Products/DIY-Laptop/KITS/TERES-A64-WHITE/open-source-hardware , the latter doesn't seem to archive for some reason). it's a candidate for my (by now long) hw-to-buy list, the "open sores diy" aspect is otoh the biggest
mircea_popescu: whole population of handwaving fly eyes. which is why "open sores".
asciilifeform: there's an ancient and now-unsupported closed warez turd. and a buncha open sores that dun work ~at all. ( on linux, i dun give a fuck what exists for microshit )
asciilifeform: speaking of subj, but also of open sores, anybody ever played 'freeciv' ?
asciilifeform: phf: all of open sores is crawling with cockroaches, i'd be quite surprised if sbcl turned out to be inexplicably clean even now
asciilifeform: because the shitware iron does not in fact follow anything resembling a spec. it follows a liquishit that would take up five walls of book if ever put to paper -- which it won't be -- and co-developed with winblowz shitware driver, which ~runs, and rathead shitware 'open' sores driver, which runs, and naught ever else.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform built 'icestorm', 'arachne-pnr', with plain gcc 4.9 ( the only concession to idiocy on the test machine was python3 ) . and even MOST of 'yosys' ( the last step in the ice40 open sores fpga toolchain ) built. in fact, whole thing built, but linker barfs
asciilifeform: and open sores visualstudio!
mircea_popescu: open sores.
asciilifeform: phf: i'd doubt that the existing open sores turd would do the job ( esp how 'render without gpu' is a more or less entirely untested component, 'everyone has gpu!111' etc )
asciilifeform: ^ d00d kicked out of genderfuckshitware open sores 'project' for... being aficionado of ancient s&m fiction
asciilifeform: the almost forcible induction of gendercommitters, wimminzintech, etc. mushminds into open sores -- tops off the supply of deniable, 'free-range, organically grown' liquishit
asciilifeform: (yes, motherfucking binaryturdolade in 'open sores' tars. e.g., graphics.)
ben_vulpes: for example, somehow dropbox let its engineers haul off and do an open-sores python reimplementation
asciilifeform: anyway i described an algo that wasn't retarded and doesn't pull in 10,000 lines of open sores ???. and it's as if this neverhappened, for some reason.
asciilifeform: the other fundamental problem, and the reason why asciilifeform's interest in recycling old fs for trb is ~0, is that imho trb needs LESS dependency on open sores crud, rather than moar
asciilifeform: at this point ftr i'm quite firmly convinced that baking in massive open sores shitbucket, e.g. ext4, is The Wrong Thing
asciilifeform: however it does have the advantage of not using 10,000,001 lines of ext4 open sores crapolade for anything.
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/02/18/the-open-sores-of-monkey-code/ << Ossasepia - The open sores of monkey code
asciilifeform: 'open sores' folx.
asciilifeform: 'shadow' open sores, you could call it
asciilifeform: it was never anything other than obvious that -- in practice, in the field -- the open sores folx don't think much of this 'free sharing' thing.
asciilifeform: 30 yrs of open sores does not appear to have produced one
asciilifeform: (state of the art in open sores world is still macsyma, circa 1975)
asciilifeform: it is not my fault that open sores people are retarded
asciilifeform: there's http://www.sagemath.org but it is very 'open sores' travail arabe.
asciilifeform: re 'open sores', even a ~very~ small gadget, and in fact one that started life as a stand-alone library: mpi (bignum) piece of gpg 1.4, was quite astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595417 << firefox, if you have not had the misfortune to look at the internals, is quite like other 'open sores' in that it is ~impossible to meaningfully recycle any part of it in 'other' (supposedly they are in fact ~other~, and not minor variations on the original) projects☝︎
asciilifeform: esp. because ciphers are a blindingly obvious 'political art', where if you aren't schneier et al, you don't get printed in journals, invited to conferences, implemented by open sores monkeys, etc.
asciilifeform: and where else in the wonderful world of open sores is there more of this same.
asciilifeform: aha, open-sores in 1 paragraph.
asciilifeform: (in case anyone 'missed the memo' : open sores cad is a sad, sad joke. and no, i dun care if this does not sit well with somebody. it is -- a fact.)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, so i get a crate with the infamous 'lattice ice' fpga. and go and set up the OPEN SORES!!!11111!!!! toolchain. and lo and behold, it not only bristles with CODE OF CUNTDOCT!!111 etc., but... won't even build
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the thing hangs on a megatonne of open Sores shitware that is >trb-sized
asciilifeform: the phrase 'worx out of box' and open sores do not go together.
asciilifeform: this resulted in 0 featurecomplete open sores support.
mircea_popescu: more and more it becomes evident that whenever something's documented by the open sores folk, it's always for a reason ; and the reason is always ^
Framedragger: heh, i've considered contributing to monero as per fluffypony's suggestion, they have some kind of open sores bounty program, too. but yes the whole ring signature thing etc - too 'mysterious'
Framedragger: codebase is a mess (and not open-sores'd) btw
asciilifeform: one of the difficulties of the student is that most 'adult' lisp work took place in the era before 'must publish everything', 'open sores', etc.
trinque: I can't help but see braindead open-sores-ism in that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tale is not interesting because microshit phones home, this is known even to schoolchildren, it is interesting because 'open sores' now INSISTS on MICROSHIT update enabled
asciilifeform: this is imho worth putting on record, because the perhaps one and single edge ye olde winblows world had over open sores was 'self-contained, static-exe' etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-01 21:30 asciilifeform: the new tarver is instead a case of 'my sbcl-with-serial-number-filed-off-pays-my-mortgage, open sores suxx!111'
asciilifeform: the new tarver is instead a case of 'my sbcl-with-serial-number-filed-off-pays-my-mortgage, open sores suxx!111'
ben_vulpes: in other open sores chuckles "The encoded strings in the tests were created with Andresen's unmodified code, so they are correct. Probably."
mircea_popescu: so stuck importing utf, ntp, "open-sores-sl" etc into everything or bust
asciilifeform: and subj is not limited to open sores, tor hacktiwhateverrism, etc.
mircea_popescu: the correct move here if we had spare engineers would be to run a complete review of open sores crypto material generators, starting with openssh
asciilifeform: this is a mega-observation, and summarizes why i have 0 interest in involvement in non-tmsr 'open sores' ever again.
asciilifeform: dunno if this is a very useful term re 'open sores support' business
Framedragger: cf. other open sores stuff maintained by open sores people in no-one's wot here.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the brave young world of microshit-flavoured (yes) open-sores, https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/pull/1901
trinque: buddy of mine had a twatter somewhere listing the various open sores curl-to-sudos
mircea_popescu: but really, obscure open sores neckbeards on a nowhere list ? what the FUCK is wrong with brains that makes them rot so.
asciilifeform: straight from esr's 'open sores' playbook.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the open sores thing is a clusterfuck of a depth that i cannot even convey in words. e.g., in the past few days i have uncovered catastrophic bugs in gcc, which NO ONE will ever fix, or likely even replicate, because they ONLY show up when you try to build version X with version Y, for particular pairings of X,Y, and similar
asciilifeform: the situation of open sores is really not at all different.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-31#1511886 << run moar open sores 'seeekooority-focused' shitware!111☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:31 asciilifeform: the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety
asciilifeform: the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety
asciilifeform: but distinguishing 'if you want me to run this on my iron, let's have the source' from 'open sores movement'
ben_vulpes: can't tell how poorly without actually trying to duct-tape more open sores together, though.
asciilifeform: it leverages what they have. (seats on standards committees, stooges in open sores, etc.)
asciilifeform: the ~total unavailability of derplibraries (~no open-sores 'ecosystem') in ada land also has a cleansing effect.
asciilifeform: open sores.
asciilifeform: like most open sores crud.
asciilifeform: the 'open sores' world wasn't even able to cough up a mouse gui that didn't trigger anaphylactic shock in half the users
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:13:30; asciilifeform: google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes'
asciilifeform: google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes'
asciilifeform: microshit is slowly getting into the game, but their 'open sores' only run on microshit and hence easily ignored by sane folk
asciilifeform: sop in open sores
asciilifeform: but illustrative of the 'open sores' thing in general.
mircea_popescu: this because bitcoin is not like open sores.
ben_vulpes off to duct tape more open sores together