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asciilifeform: speaking of subj, but also of open sores, anybody ever played 'freeciv' ?
asciilifeform: phf: all of open sores is crawling with cockroaches, i'd be quite surprised if sbcl turned out to be inexplicably clean even now
asciilifeform: because the shitware iron does not in fact follow anything resembling a spec. it follows a liquishit that would take up five walls of book if ever put to paper -- which it won't be -- and co-developed with winblowz shitware driver, which ~runs, and rathead shitware 'open' sores driver, which runs, and naught ever else.
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform built 'icestorm', 'arachne-pnr', with plain gcc 4.9 ( the only concession to idiocy on the test machine was python3 ) . and even MOST of 'yosys' ( the last step in the ice40 open sores fpga toolchain ) built. in fact, whole thing built, but linker barfs
asciilifeform: and open sores visualstudio!
mircea_popescu: open sores.
asciilifeform: phf: i'd doubt that the existing open sores turd would do the job ( esp how 'render without gpu' is a more or less entirely untested component, 'everyone has gpu!111' etc )
asciilifeform: ^ d00d kicked out of genderfuckshitware open sores 'project' for... being aficionado of ancient s&m fiction
asciilifeform: the almost forcible induction of gendercommitters, wimminzintech, etc. mushminds into open sores -- tops off the supply of deniable, 'free-range, organically grown' liquishit
asciilifeform: (yes, motherfucking binaryturdolade in 'open sores' tars. e.g., graphics.)
ben_vulpes: for example, somehow dropbox let its engineers haul off and do an open-sores python reimplementation
asciilifeform: anyway i described an algo that wasn't retarded and doesn't pull in 10,000 lines of open sores ???. and it's as if this neverhappened, for some reason.
asciilifeform: the other fundamental problem, and the reason why asciilifeform's interest in recycling old fs for trb is ~0, is that imho trb needs LESS dependency on open sores crud, rather than moar
asciilifeform: at this point ftr i'm quite firmly convinced that baking in massive open sores shitbucket, e.g. ext4, is The Wrong Thing
asciilifeform: however it does have the advantage of not using 10,000,001 lines of ext4 open sores crapolade for anything.
deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/02/18/the-open-sores-of-monkey-code/ << Ossasepia - The open sores of monkey code
asciilifeform: 'open sores' folx.
asciilifeform: 'shadow' open sores, you could call it
asciilifeform: it was never anything other than obvious that -- in practice, in the field -- the open sores folx don't think much of this 'free sharing' thing.
asciilifeform: 30 yrs of open sores does not appear to have produced one
asciilifeform: (state of the art in open sores world is still macsyma, circa 1975)
asciilifeform: it is not my fault that open sores people are retarded
asciilifeform: there's http://www.sagemath.org but it is very 'open sores' travail arabe.
asciilifeform: re 'open sores', even a ~very~ small gadget, and in fact one that started life as a stand-alone library: mpi (bignum) piece of gpg 1.4, was quite astonishingly painful to properly saw off the kochball
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595417 << firefox, if you have not had the misfortune to look at the internals, is quite like other 'open sores' in that it is ~impossible to meaningfully recycle any part of it in 'other' (supposedly they are in fact ~other~, and not minor variations on the original) projects☝︎
asciilifeform: esp. because ciphers are a blindingly obvious 'political art', where if you aren't schneier et al, you don't get printed in journals, invited to conferences, implemented by open sores monkeys, etc.
asciilifeform: and where else in the wonderful world of open sores is there more of this same.
asciilifeform: aha, open-sores in 1 paragraph.
asciilifeform: (in case anyone 'missed the memo' : open sores cad is a sad, sad joke. and no, i dun care if this does not sit well with somebody. it is -- a fact.)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, so i get a crate with the infamous 'lattice ice' fpga. and go and set up the OPEN SORES!!!11111!!!! toolchain. and lo and behold, it not only bristles with CODE OF CUNTDOCT!!111 etc., but... won't even build
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the thing hangs on a megatonne of open Sores shitware that is >trb-sized
asciilifeform: the phrase 'worx out of box' and open sores do not go together.
asciilifeform: this resulted in 0 featurecomplete open sores support.
mircea_popescu: more and more it becomes evident that whenever something's documented by the open sores folk, it's always for a reason ; and the reason is always ^
Framedragger: heh, i've considered contributing to monero as per fluffypony's suggestion, they have some kind of open sores bounty program, too. but yes the whole ring signature thing etc - too 'mysterious'
Framedragger: codebase is a mess (and not open-sores'd) btw
asciilifeform: one of the difficulties of the student is that most 'adult' lisp work took place in the era before 'must publish everything', 'open sores', etc.
trinque: I can't help but see braindead open-sores-ism in that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the tale is not interesting because microshit phones home, this is known even to schoolchildren, it is interesting because 'open sores' now INSISTS on MICROSHIT update enabled
asciilifeform: this is imho worth putting on record, because the perhaps one and single edge ye olde winblows world had over open sores was 'self-contained, static-exe' etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-01 21:30 asciilifeform: the new tarver is instead a case of 'my sbcl-with-serial-number-filed-off-pays-my-mortgage, open sores suxx!111'
asciilifeform: the new tarver is instead a case of 'my sbcl-with-serial-number-filed-off-pays-my-mortgage, open sores suxx!111'
ben_vulpes: in other open sores chuckles "The encoded strings in the tests were created with Andresen's unmodified code, so they are correct. Probably."
mircea_popescu: so stuck importing utf, ntp, "open-sores-sl" etc into everything or bust
asciilifeform: and subj is not limited to open sores, tor hacktiwhateverrism, etc.
mircea_popescu: the correct move here if we had spare engineers would be to run a complete review of open sores crypto material generators, starting with openssh
asciilifeform: this is a mega-observation, and summarizes why i have 0 interest in involvement in non-tmsr 'open sores' ever again.
asciilifeform: dunno if this is a very useful term re 'open sores support' business
Framedragger: cf. other open sores stuff maintained by open sores people in no-one's wot here.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the brave young world of microshit-flavoured (yes) open-sores, https://github.com/PowerShell/PowerShell/pull/1901
trinque: buddy of mine had a twatter somewhere listing the various open sores curl-to-sudos
mircea_popescu: but really, obscure open sores neckbeards on a nowhere list ? what the FUCK is wrong with brains that makes them rot so.
asciilifeform: straight from esr's 'open sores' playbook.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the open sores thing is a clusterfuck of a depth that i cannot even convey in words. e.g., in the past few days i have uncovered catastrophic bugs in gcc, which NO ONE will ever fix, or likely even replicate, because they ONLY show up when you try to build version X with version Y, for particular pairings of X,Y, and similar
asciilifeform: the situation of open sores is really not at all different.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-31#1511886 << run moar open sores 'seeekooority-focused' shitware!111☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-17 17:31 asciilifeform: the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety
asciilifeform: the ~STABILITY~ implied in an alt-world where software ~actually works correctly~ is Ur-terrifying to the typical maggot, whether of the microshit or 'open sores' variety
asciilifeform: but distinguishing 'if you want me to run this on my iron, let's have the source' from 'open sores movement'
ben_vulpes: can't tell how poorly without actually trying to duct-tape more open sores together, though.
asciilifeform: it leverages what they have. (seats on standards committees, stooges in open sores, etc.)
asciilifeform: the ~total unavailability of derplibraries (~no open-sores 'ecosystem') in ada land also has a cleansing effect.
asciilifeform: open sores.
asciilifeform: like most open sores crud.
asciilifeform: the 'open sores' world wasn't even able to cough up a mouse gui that didn't trigger anaphylactic shock in half the users
assbot: Logged on 07-01-2016 02:13:30; asciilifeform: google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes'
asciilifeform: google open sores works rather like 'here have a bag of $$$, do whatever you like, but you can be poettering and you definitely cannot be jurov, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes'
asciilifeform: microshit is slowly getting into the game, but their 'open sores' only run on microshit and hence easily ignored by sane folk
asciilifeform: sop in open sores
asciilifeform: but illustrative of the 'open sores' thing in general.
mircea_popescu: this because bitcoin is not like open sores.
ben_vulpes off to duct tape more open sores together
asciilifeform: this being said, the language is not a favourite among the open sores crowd and so you will not find a great many full-length megaprojects in public
ascii_field: open sores!
ascii_field: it was 'open sores'd' not long ago
ascii_field: borderline-unreadable shit soup like every single other 'open sores;
asciilifeform: open sores.
mats: three cheers for open sores
asciilifeform: open sores.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: try another hypothesis re: rationale for ferguson. engineered creation of 'open sores' for military action on the cheap. as described in http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-rationale-behind-boston-psy-ops.html
BingoBoingo: "Smoking rock candy is a great way to gain all the social benefits of meth use with none of the open sores.