scriba: Restarting for daddy (update help to list owner and to include new command)
mircea_popescu: i suppose these will pop up periodically until the end of time.
scriba: Number of URLs seen since bot startup: 3; number of URLs newly archived: 3.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-17 15:06 mircea_popescu: trinque can deedbot rss parsing be unprincipledly altered so that any succession of alphanum characters in excess of 16 spaces is replaced with first4[...]last4 ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 20:31 Framedragger: or one could even dare to develop something collaboratively, but the republic would surely segfault then.
trinque: yep, feeds is a separate service that adds entries to a queue
trinque: I tend to use sbcl as compiler, then clim is the UI doodad when one's needed
mircea_popescu: so normally you just compile into bytecode via sblc on your box and send the binary to prod box ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, that's rather nice. save-lisp-and-die saves the memory state of your environment, then runs a specified function when it's awoken.
trinque: so you make one of those, it tacks the lisp executable to the front of the thing, huck the whole wad at server and restart service
trinque: if it's a development instance of something, I send along "swank" which lets me summon a repl out of the thing and fiddle internals.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform done ty. 100 10.5G 100 10.5G 0 0 97.3M 0 0:01:51 0:01:51 --:--:-- 101M << gotta love real tubes.
trinque bash scripts everything significant he does, runs that thing next time.
trinque: whole folder full of deploy-*
mircea_popescu: trinque ever benchmarked something for resource consumption ? like i dunno, lisp-sha in your implementation vs stock sha in c as provided ?
trinque: I will say that I am not fully sold on automatic memory management yet.
trinque: I'm sold on the structure of the language, but I have had times where I wonder why the fuck the gc hasn't kicked on yet, find folks saying "oh you tricked the gc" researching the problem
trinque: simplest example I can come up with is that I was consing thing to the front of a list, nil-ing things off the back
trinque: and at great volume; this caused sbcl to not want to gc the shit falling off the tail
trinque: please explain to me how a list operation as simple as that in "list processing" language is not right in the middle of the groove of the language
trinque: so sure, I called gc myself sometimes, worked
mircea_popescu: yes well not everything can be an immutable structure.
trinque: my list contained identifiers for things coming at me from a queue, where the queue may shit itself and send dupes, but with a maximum possible age of message that is duped
trinque: and dupes are most likely to come from recent messages (say a queue server died before noting that the message was sent)
trinque: seems like a reasonable data structure for it
trinque: it makes me less anti-lisp and more in favor of using some kind of namespaced wad of memory which I can trash all together explicitly.
trinque: most of the time gc works fine; I am certainly still a student of the language.
trinque: asciilifeform: any reading material on the "cons-free" subj?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. << Different salvia. Tripping balls salvia has sparse shitty flowers if it flowers.
☟︎ trinque: I might be a sick person, but I thought that stuff was great fun.
trinque: gotta torch at high temperature.
shinohai: I had the trinque experience of being completely out-of-head for like 10 minutes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 1st pass metabolism is a bitch. Lungs ftw
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... and it did... zero. << Or you were wired for addiction to that weirdo substance before trying? Lacked the apperception to realize was tripping balls.
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: 29^14 = 2.9755823267579947E20
pete_dushenski: didn't realise that jhvh1 also adopted the calculator until saw it in-chan yesterday. that sneaky shinohai ! bots directory updated accordingly.
trinque gets space-saving rss code in just as phuctor shuts up
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the difference between eyes and electronic sensors on cars, ofc, is that you know when eyes stop working before it's too late. either way, if trumpenreich is to restore full employment to amerika, abolishing the minimum wage will make a full-time chauffeur affordable to anyone who can also spend $100k on a tesla or equiv.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: watched any of clarkson's new show?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not really. Most muricans suck at driving.
BingoBoingo: Not to mention most muricans are broken in their temperment, unsuitable for service work where they interact with customer or customer/employer and require herding employer.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: 'the groand tour' isn't available outside us, uk, and i think oz for another month so... nope. looking forward to it though. you ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 'most' isn't really an argument now is it. nor was it my point. talking solely about folks buying $100k cars, they're better off sifting through resumes to find a non-retarded driver than shipping their cash to musk et al., what with the rapidly sinking obamanchor tied around their weedy necks.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I don't think you understand the proportion represented by "most" in that usuage. We are talking about a mass economically crippled by their various "employable if X" bullshits.
pete_dushenski: tis possible. tis also possible that the world won't be worse off if they car-crash themselves off the face of it, be it by their own hand or that of their robot overlords.
scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 439753 | Current Difficulty: 2.818009171931958E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 441503 | Next Difficulty In: 1750 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 1 hour, 39 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
pete_dushenski wonders if anyone else sees potential to be annoyed by scriba's constant interjections vis-a-vis link archival.
scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
trinque: Framedragger: ^ yo dawg, log somewhere you can read it; the information here is entirely useless to me
pete_dushenski: re: diff jump, largest pool now down to 18%, 2nd place at 17% according to
https://blockchain.info/pools. top two pools had ~50% just six months ago when famous bbet tx was 'lost'. competition is heating up within the not-so-monolithic chinese cartel. nothing divides and conquers like btc y'know.
☟︎ scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
pete_dushenski brushes off alfotron on shoulder muttering something barely audibly about 'hash laundry'
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: ViaBTC and antpool are a case of twincest
ben_vulpes: is there any good reason to trust that chart?
pete_dushenski: my only defense of that likely fraudulent chart is just that a warped measuring stick is at least wrong in a consistent and predictable way. this assumes all sorts of beneficence on the part of bc.i, however.
scriba: Failed to archive. HTTP code: N/A. Exception raised: True
pete_dushenski: "it would still be unsurprising if they gave up on their fiction1 and began reporting magenta, dove gray, or old hot dog as their exchange rate" << lol.
BingoBoingo: yw, not really news, but involves crypto certifiable persons
a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 02:43 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i actually planted a bunch in romania, for the flowers. << Different salvia. Tripping balls salvia has sparse shitty flowers if it flowers.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 03:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the difference between eyes and electronic sensors on cars, ofc, is that you know when eyes stop working before it's too late. either way, if trumpenreich is to restore full employment to amerika, abolishing the minimum wage will make a full-time chauffeur affordable to anyone who can also spend $100k on a tesla or equiv.
mircea_popescu: steve bannon planning "entirely new political movement" ? OH WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED!
a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 05:10 pete_dushenski: re: diff jump, largest pool now down to 18%, 2nd place at 17% according to
https://blockchain.info/pools. top two pools had ~50% just six months ago when famous bbet tx was 'lost'. competition is heating up within the not-so-monolithic chinese cartel. nothing divides and conquers like btc y'know.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i love the "immanent trumpreich" bit. kant ftw.
scriba: Restarting for logging update
Framedragger: trinque: you're right. was laziness on my part (it logs to actual log, too, so this is unneeded to boot)
mircea_popescu: "Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not? Multiply a character string times a bit string and assign the result to a float decimal? Go ahead! Free a controlled variable procedure parameter and reallocate it before passing it back? Overlay three different types of variable on the same memory location? Anything you say! Write a recursive macro? Well, no, but Real Men use rescan."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: lol, anyways I'm planning to subtitle Xtends going forward so I can tell WTF past extends were roughly about
BingoBoingo: 14 was a lot of number, 15 still a lot of number, next week still more number
shinohai smacks jhvh1 for not tweeting the latest Xtended.
shinohai: Autotweets all Qntra and trilemas
mircea_popescu: somebody should tell ver the 2010s blue shirts are no longer fashionable.
shinohai: I keep trolling ver but he won't block me! @zooko blocked me with a *single* tweet
a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 04:41 mircea_popescu: "no, i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where i used to work."
mircea_popescu: at least she has her active social life to fall back on.
deedbot: frompeanutgaller voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: maybe not used to irc. "i can't add a shallow-pun-comment and feel like i contributed. i'm supposed to do.. dialogue, or something."
Framedragger: i think that many of them do not, in the sense that e.g. you understand "conversation". i don't know. i got that picture when i had spent time on reddit.
Framedragger: socially awkward and generally inept, choose 2 of 2 to describe typical redditor.
Framedragger: tbh i think there still are some small subreddits with people. couldn't confirm tho.
Framedragger: /r/askhistorians is sometimes okay (very strict moderation, removal of inane comments, and banning of stupid users.)
mircea_popescu: i don't think the general public is mentally capable of using irc. it just doesn't fit the reddit/disqus/chatroulette/4chan/whatever thing
shinohai: with emojis! How can you chat w/out emojis?
mircea_popescu: which is kinda the point - the context must be a) narrow and b) poking you in the eye. the problem with irc, and es-fucking-pecially irc as practiced here is that the context is vast, so vast it makes a circle much further out than the general myopia can perceive.
mircea_popescu: nah, icq was cool. to this day it dominates the pronz, but back in the 90s it was simply the thing./
mircea_popescu: oya. most people involved on the business side still have and daily use icq
mircea_popescu: hey, hi5 actually survived a while in foreign markets also.
Framedragger: "emp shielding grates, power supply on wheeled rails" << that's just plain sexy
mircea_popescu: Framedragger ironically, it didn't smell that bad. smell is a subjective sense.
Framedragger: subjective and context-adjusting / relative, i guess? makes sense
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 21:07 asciilifeform: phf: even as late as late '90s, machines with such 'feel' were made.
mircea_popescu: or at least was back when the jews owned it, no idea now. iirc aol actually bought them
mircea_popescu: also from a cultural pov perspective - it was the first one of many things ; including the first im.
mircea_popescu: at a time when irc required a lot more competence to use.
mircea_popescu: note that irc is also based on centralized servers, freenode flimflammery about donated servers aside - sure, you can donate, if your name doesn't start with m, but n.
mircea_popescu: but the notion of handling 1to1 rather than 1tomany and manyto1 is not without merit ; and it allowed them to protect the users from many problems of irc, which is why it blew past irc usage by 2000
Framedragger: ahaha, 2013: "mircea_popescu: i would never use anything that implements a protocol for any serious purpose anymore."
Framedragger: "mircea_popescu: bitcoin isn't a protocol, it's a fucking c hairball."
Framedragger: this is mircea_popescu in september 2013, in response to "pankkake: federated xmpp isn't that bad. it can do voice/video/text with encryption" ;)
a111: Logged on 2013-09-12 00:26 mircea_popescu: just don't try to sell me on any sort of comittees making "industry standards" or anything.
mircea_popescu: i strongly doubt it actually does any replacing, but hey.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform absolutely everyone, from grace hopper to you name it, went away 1990-2010.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger re the above, consider just the fucking x.500 x.509 debacle.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, exercise for the curious youth : find out why the 21st pin on the system bus in your fucking machine can be set to zero.
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, look into why triple-fault switching rather than using the god damned reset signal ended up a programming standard.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip - triple fault resetting is STILL in the linux kernel.)
mircea_popescu: here's the whole story of standard : 1. hey, wouldn't it be great if we mattered ? 2. so if it'd be great, then therefore we matter! 3. our not mattering is wrong!
mircea_popescu: "Allocate an array and free the middle third? Sure! Why not?"
mircea_popescu: the thing everyone-but-us fails to comprehend is that the ~only way in which a relatively simple functional system becomes the de facto standard is through a lofty body of pretense declaring a much more complex and dysfunctional system "the standard".
mircea_popescu: the point where the murdoch clan is going to probably try and reconstruct "conservative" fox into a "centrist" bullshit built around that mispelled megan kelly harlot (really, ambitious news anchor who lied about the network boss "sexually harassing" her to try and take his place, what a fine clinton!)
mircea_popescu: and the point where the conservatives are likely going to hate trump more than the liberals ever did, two years from now.
mircea_popescu: now the part where the financial markets afford a once-in-a-century opportunity to rebuild is sound ; but the part where jacked up "iron works and shipyards" are the answer is ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no way around it - us signals is more of a joke than stalin's were in 1938.
mircea_popescu: whole thing has to be scrapped and rebuilt, they're a laughingstock not for actually competent players such as romania, but for utter nobodies from fucking arfrica / latam
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's clear bannon has no more use of the gop than of the dems ; trump's intelligent ouvertures to libertard reps evidently bear his signature. you're going to get your brown shirts next year chances are.
mircea_popescu wonders if by trumpreich rules, he is more us citizen than colored woman born there.
mircea_popescu: nobody planning to spend a trn dollars can possibly be for sound money.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm putting up a webpage which mentions phuctor, and i want to give reference to S.NSA as the corporation which produced phuctor. how do i link to mpex?
Framedragger: or is it not supposed to be reachable by non-mpex-users?
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima get it some more domains jus didn't get around to it
mircea_popescu: but the important point here i guess is that mpex is a service ; not a publisher. you're essentially asking "how do i include some pigeons in my book"
mircea_popescu: well... unless you have a camera that works, i have no idea. the pigeons ~themselves~ aren't book-ready.
mircea_popescu: holy shit learn to distinguish fact and desire. or whatever, hillary 2016!
Framedragger: ^ this guy (died ca. 1960?) had things to say about cyberpunk. deleuze stole from him.
Framedragger: iirc theres an essay on technical object, i admit to not reading it in whole, it's in mah list tho.
Framedragger: but, it has that.. continental philosophy style. however, compared to deleuze and derrida, much less bullshit-y.
mircea_popescu: cyberpunk as understood by bartle-likes is very different from what you think about. in this dork's mind it's strictly us and a consumer affair, of the 70s. like disco hair, us-gayness, pulp fiction or mechanical pianos.
mircea_popescu: "no matter how you do your hair, you still gotta wake up when the alarm rings on monday morning" === "the real world always wins in the end".
mircea_popescu: it's soundly set on the footing of "i have no philosophy, just some hobbies to pass the time". americana entire, moreso than picket fences.
mircea_popescu: kinda why they spent the 90s fascinated with fad diets and "issues". content-free "people".
mod6 adventures in db4.8_dump
mod6: what a dolt. with less effort you can mine with your hands in eulora ftw.
mod6: "hey kid, mow the lawn."
shinohai: He got butthurt because of getting caught and negrated me for not getting payed xD
mod6: "i scammed you fair and square! you're a shitty victim! *negrate*"
mod6: what's the old saying "scammers gonna scam"
mod6: you should have seen -otc in '11
shinohai: In my few dealing on otc, I was fortunate enough to already know someone trustworthy there.
shinohai: Was the only guy I ever dealt with.
mircea_popescu: speaking of this, and re
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569760 : a) it was actually exactly the same usg pays via min wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durr) and b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain ammount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis,
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:46 asciilifeform: iirc there were earlier instances where mircea_popescu and other folx tried to recycle'em into something: the incident with the rental posters (who was that..?), the 'get epsilon btc to make eulora player', possibly other instances of beehive-fucking
mircea_popescu: more importantly c) intelligent folks know about it but dun seem inclined to try it ; perhaps because preconceived notions (oh, a game is below my intelligence and i couldn't be happy with a black woman), perhaps for whatever other cause.
mircea_popescu: so you know, yes i do spend my money to make the world a less shitty place but plox don't take this as some sort of free radical ready to be combined with your stubborn refusal and yield whatever nutty interpretation. it ain't that free a radical.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and i suppose the point should be made, that yes wiener-cybernetics is an exercise in being ridiculous.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 22:46 mircea_popescu: Framedragger and i suppose the point should be made, that yes wiener-cybernetics is an exercise in being ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: yes, the one with the "i'm going to describe the object according to genus and species i already have because lulz, my mom fucked herself to the moon"
mircea_popescu: all good jokes are persuasive, necessarily. the problem however is fundamental and ineluctable, or in simondon's own terms
mircea_popescu: gah this place keeps forcing me to go digging through archives.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-20 22:39 mircea_popescu: speaking of this, and re
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569760 : a) it was actually exactly the same usg pays via min wage (out of private pockets, but w/e, usg is the REAL government, not the republic hurr durr) and b) it made people do sensible things such as making pgp keys. a certain ammount of this "wash yourself" "read a book" basic training will have to be done forcibly, because ontogenesis may follow philogenesis,
mircea_popescu: "des le debut, la cybernetique a accepte ce que toute theorie de la technologie doit refuser : une classification des objets technologues menee par des criteres preexistants et selon des genres et especes etabils."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your fixation with "a penny" doesn't help however. it wasn't a penny, it was more than they make at home.
mircea_popescu: it was an epic, explosive proof of the whole "poor people are poor because they are stupid, and for no other reason."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you were to write timetables, how much time would you count "generate a pgp key and register it with deedbot" ? full hour ? ten minutes ? full day ?
mircea_popescu: or use whatever sane cutoff. after all - this is human resource engineering not metaphysics.
mircea_popescu: so then. by this token working eulora would have paid them MORE than what going to college would have paid them.
mircea_popescu: which means that if i charged them 50k a year for four years in advance - they'd be about even.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw banners: i'm yet to clean up the logs (some time next week or thereafter), but just in case you're eager (prolly have lots on yer head tho), here they are:
http://siphnos.mkj.lt/datadrop/banners/ ; s1 has 13 files corresponding to the 13 bundles; s2 is from the additional bundle i sent you later (the re-scan + additional hosts). together this constitutes whole ipv4.
Framedragger: the *banners.txt's are my partial cleanup, *_err_scan.log's are the original stderr's (with some junk in them). but i will clean this myself later. and siphnos.mkj.lt is where i'll host phuctor-related data. (it's on a separate unused vps, got an 'ok' from $work for now.)
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but, that aside, with no actual work (ie, on a windows machine, which is how we say "unprogrammable computer") something like a coupla weeks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for the record, i pegged same at 1hr rather than 30mins, but anyways.
mircea_popescu: no. i would have obviously been forced to end it eventually. however, they didn't even come fucking close to giving me a run for my money.
mircea_popescu: understand the forces at work here - some dork famously promised to pay anyone commenting in his thing 1 bitcent if trump won. then trump won, and he ran off over a debt of ... 25btc, accumulated from a "massive" 2500 comments.
mircea_popescu: so yes - there'd be need for either 40 reddits ; or else you know, for less amphibian brains.
mircea_popescu: but the "long term thinker" theory utterly fails when confronted with daily reality.
mircea_popescu: anyway - the point remains, there are REASONS i / we discredit things. there ACTUALLY WAS A WAY for "bitcoin community" on tardstalk to impress me.
mircea_popescu: jsut as there was a way, years ago, for "bitcoin developer community" to impress me.
mircea_popescu: that these doors successively close doth not mean they weren't there.
shinohai found it a rather fun experiment, learned quite a bit along the way.
mircea_popescu: and therefore people are poor because stupid and for no other reasons.
mircea_popescu: but anyway - at issue is not what is claimed / appears to be at issue. at issue is that people want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway, and not, for any reason, njot ever, be paid to change what they do or how they do it.
mircea_popescu: which is why i got all the fiverr dorks failing miserably - they were simply applying the homer simpson heuristic - "i will now chomp my jaws and if a pie happens to go in the way a well".
mircea_popescu: which is why - write 2500 pointless comments on reddit, yay! but make yourself a key nay!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the following amusing datapoint - other than the "intro" ie, first bitcent, people could make more through digging up ordinary claims for me. the way this works is that you end up with a lot of material, which has to be taken back to town, but you can't carry it, because overweight. there is A BOT! written, documented on wiki, discussed on channel, that shortcuts this.
mircea_popescu: the few dudes who actually worked this dragged the fucking load BY HAND making DOZENS of trips. in spite of being told to read logs and read wiki.
mircea_popescu: in one trip. with all the oversight of looking over two times over six minutes.
mircea_popescu: they could have sold fucking ebooks about how to make money, like all the other shit they do. what is an "infoproduct" and why doesn't this qualify ?
mircea_popescu: it's not even clear the general population knows it's not edible.
Framedragger: i would wager a claim that hackernews folk - those who need the money and who click through - would be more motivated and more reflective than tardstalk kids (with large enough sample sizes to confirm). i'll consider finding some suitable wording to be posted there, assuming there being interest.
Framedragger: (and yes HN is evil and it's possible it's censoring asciilifeform's posts)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you will rediscover the same thing : that all the love for ycombinator comes out of the misplaced hopes of a bunch of potheads that graham will pay them to... be potheads.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i've seen (and i've posted under a normal-to-their-eyes non-newbie account myself, but mine may have just not attracted interest), fuck them, yes
mircea_popescu: since thye have no such hope about me, they "don't like" me. and so on. it's an easy enough game to play, but honestly i'd rather move to thailand and "seduce" the local whores, $50 at a time.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: oh, i hear you, i've no love there. but some smart people still hang out there. but, yes, naivete of the youth, i submit that i've nothing to show until i've something to show
mircea_popescu: in which vein, let me recount a little anecdote from personal history.
Framedragger: the thailand plan intuitively attracts more, true..
mircea_popescu: so yesterday i went to a bdsm vip party. this consists of about a hundred people in a hotel rented for the purpose. i brought the hottest girl there, by a fat margin. i took up a loft, with a nice view on the people below, cropped her lightly, fucked her and had a good time. while all this was going on, in a different place they were having an "auction" based on tokens from some dumbass website they have.
mircea_popescu: because hey, selling the dumbasses for actual money would expose a) their collective poverty and b) force change. so they use tokens, which supposedly come "from activity", ie like reddit gold, but in practice are a transparent ploy to enforce a social hierarchy without social basis. ie, EXACTLY ycombinator.
mircea_popescu: a dude "won" like three of the derpy adolescentine chicks, for an absurdly astronomical amount (literally, just his supposed bids overstate activity on that website by a factor of more than 100).
mircea_popescu: then he proceeded to... use them. guess what this usage consisted of ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: use them by observing how other people fuck?
mircea_popescu: mno. you'd think at the very least he'd fuck them, but... no. he... masturbated them.
mircea_popescu: all through this seeking my approval in the sense of trying to verify if im all that impressed. i... wasn't fucking impressed, because why the fuck would i be impressed with the male nurse.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that's the problem with social hierarchies without social basis : they corrupt, fundamentally. the "leader" becomes the servant.
mircea_popescu: i could have told mine to jump off the fucking balcony. she would have.
mircea_popescu: he couldn't as much as take their fucking knickers off because omaygerd amarisho!!1
mircea_popescu: and herding animals will go wherever there's herding safe spaces.
mircea_popescu: which bdsm sould be exactly about NOT, but hey, let common people get involved in things, the things will look like common people.
mircea_popescu: but back to the issue : they want to be paid to do what they were going to do anyway AND STRICTLY THAT.
Framedragger: "i heard bdsm is the trend nao, i'll go there". such a waste...
mircea_popescu: it's mostly a collection of confused girlies and hopelessly dorky dudes
mircea_popescu: plus a few public servants, plus a few occasionals who have been bringing their WIFE who is also their sunday slave once a few months for years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think money does it. they charge like 20 bux a head (yes, same for male or female, SAME IF ALONE etc!!1), but i think i'm on the list mostly because they're petriscared of me. it isn't open to the general public.
Framedragger: "no possibility of transcend", so to speak, following protocol. (re. "can you pay me to do what i'm used to doing when i get paid")
☟︎ mircea_popescu: that's the whole fucking point. liberals ? NIGGA WHAT ?!?! nobody is a liberal, the last one died in siberia.
mircea_popescu: they're UBERconservative, so fucking self-protective it boggles anyone's mind.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of (reddit clicking / forum derping / bdsming) is a profesion.
mircea_popescu: they are supposed to be the opposite of professions : educations.
Framedragger: i'm sure that making say decent artisan boots ain't fuckin' easy at all. (sure, working as a knob in a large factory is another thing - though i'd like to see redditards sweat many hours a day at factory and not call for mommy)
mircea_popescu: not a matter of easy or hard. a mater of separating vocation from avocation and your imortal soul from the fucking commerce spiel.
mircea_popescu: also known as "have some fucking self respect" in some circles.
mircea_popescu: "why myspace users make myspace gold which is worth three reddit gold ?!?!? UNFARE!"