a111: Logged on 2018-06-07 20:13 phf: asciilifeform: can they put a bot here so it'll quote for us? :)
mircea_popescu: i mean, the backstop would obviously be "either follow spec as-is or get out of chan", i suppose. i don't specifically care either way, we already have plenty of proper loggers for one thing, and the original, "Hey, maybe someone exists on freenode that's both a) not totally braindead and b) hasn't heard of #trilema yet" was thoroughly proven wrong by now ; the intelligence flow is the other way.
mircea_popescu: it is about _whitelogger bot following spec and reading out lines.
mircea_popescu: i mean, doodn's not even had the common decency to reg up, however many months later.
mircea_popescu: cuz whatever, everyone's speshul and lives life on own terms and whatever geeky bs.
mircea_popescu: quantum computing something something, i kinda tuned out past that point.
mircea_popescu: six months, during which not one reader of irclog.whitequark.org turned out to exist should be amply sufficient data from that angle.
mircea_popescu: but whatever, it's what the empire's got, #lisp is about "lisp" and so on.
deedbot: trinque voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: the zeptobars route may be a decent idea. has anyone reached out to that guy?
mod6: they take bitcoin donations, but, no coins ever sent :[
mod6: here's their addy posted on their "support" page: 1ZeptoBhGA4wewwVv3BZTYyaBtc87nMNg
mircea_popescu: hey phf, you actually know the fellows ? how about they show up here and work something out ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i'd still like to get some actual working something out of whatever kanzureism "zeptobar" currently is.
mircea_popescu: you know, it occurs to me... it it's a captive minichip. it should be... defeatable. keep feeding it bad sigs and measure the powerlines.
mircea_popescu: listen, my (often wrong, millitantly ignorant, whatever) intuition is that if oyu have an oracle in your hands (the chip after all DOES say yes or no) and all you want to do is produce a sig it accepts for an arbitrary string, you should be able to achieve this bit fiddling in less than 2^256 tries.
mircea_popescu: i'd love nothing more than qntra running a "google's ecc crypto defeated in field"
mircea_popescu: anyway... let ~them~ explain how "it was an implementation error -- no fundamental ecc breach".
mircea_popescu: after all the "rsa is broken because we've been misimplementing it for 20 years under our governmentalpg brand hurr" stories, it'd be quite pleasant.
mircea_popescu: i'm telling you, building a fuzzing harness for a bunch of these may not be a bad way to lock down a machine (driving the fuzzing) for a week or two.
mircea_popescu: the worst case being what, a pile of useless data ? big woop, i have some of that myself, isn't killing me.
mircea_popescu: bill s.nsa for 'em and there you go. worst case we have some not-great hammers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, where's the logline of you going "hey, this is confusing to me therefore cryptic to anyone" ?
mircea_popescu: there's this vicious slander going about according to which i actually use some sort of thought process. i wish to deny such rumours right now.
esthlos: trinque: I added a manifest to my v_genesis vpatch. I'm curious, though, how these items (vtron, manifest) become declared "standard", if ever
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 23:07 asciilifeform: there is ~0 actual relationship between 'confusing to the naked eye' and 'crypto-hard'
mircea_popescu: esthlos, there's some discussion, after which i pick something and start asking people nicely / kicking them in the head about it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that sentiment, but different words. 2015ish vintage i tihnk
a111: Logged on 2016-06-01 17:43 asciilifeform: 'aes is hard to break' 'says who' 'says me, i haven't broken it yet'
a111: Logged on 2016-02-04 17:30 ascii_butugychag: 'this was confusing to ME' is the basis, EVERY MOTHERFUCKING TIME
mircea_popescu: sprucing up the dummkopf article ; apparently i hadn't put enough links in there, counterintuitively.
mircea_popescu: then they wonder why they don't ever have any gfs, these people. "i tried to evaluate whether she's my gf in a second or less, came out negative" "maybe give it i dunoo... FIVE DAYS ?" "omfg what ? i don't like... live that long"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i am at no point in there hating on short ooda loop. i am hating on the idiocy he surrounds it with.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : photographs taken today are shittier than photographs taken on film. who dun it ?
mircea_popescu: "but mp... i ~copuld~ take better pics today than in 1970. point in case -- i didn't even TAKE pics back then"
mircea_popescu: no but see, all the faggots that take pics today and didn't in 1970 are exactly all the faggots that couldn't read books before they were made on pulp paper by pulp paper book makers.
mircea_popescu: i saw a terrible film recently, with doris day. something something bla bla bla. she spends the whole time in an ugly looking deerskin.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER. she can dance. she can sing. because she's a 1950s actress, and that was a PROFESSION which MEANT SOMETHING.
mircea_popescu: you know i recently googled a pic, and google helpfully informed me who the, and i quote, "reality television personality, model, entrepreneur, socialite, and social media personality" involved were ?
mircea_popescu: and i was sitting there in disbelief, "dude, it's two milf lamers in a tub, what the fuck".
mircea_popescu: point remains, two bit everything all around. that's your "short ooda loop". it's a lot closer to cocaine than the users realise.
mircea_popescu: right. so you know, my allergy "to the short ooda loop" is all the flies going "o man, this is great! yay!". it's not to the fucking meat, i eat steak tartare every so often
mircea_popescu: anyway ; i thought that point comes through, but maybe not as well as i'd have wanted.
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as ankle weights. my slavegirls should know, they get them lots.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, why does girl need to wear 5kgs of ankle weight for hours on end ?" "so when i fuck her, her knees are straight"
mircea_popescu: and btw, the idiot airport guards keep slicing the weights. cuz it's by now so rare an item i guess, "gotta see what's inside".
mircea_popescu: yeah. it contains nice ass, in the middle of the lead sphere.
mircea_popescu: but yes, re the тяжело в учении -- легко в бою bit -- it comes as a shock generally that "your training must ~exceed~ actual usage, by a ~factor~. you don't train for 80% of what you'll do ; you train for 250% to 300%+ of what you'll actually do."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, do you suspect the core can actually talk to the netbridge ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but it seems to me it's basically a local rootkit. so it's not such an overwhelming concern for the contemplated usecase -- give iphone girly machine.
mircea_popescu: so in a sense it's up to you. if you've lost the love of labour because of the cp50 issue, i guess it dies. but if not, i do not see it's a waste of time. make it boot cleanly, try see what happens if you remove the item, try see what happens if you fuzz the item, maybe more stuff occurs -- this is a productive line of research.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, have the boot flash a pink pixel, put a number on screen, whatever. replacement boot sequence won't know to do it, will it.
mircea_popescu: in more general terms, if you had to dismantle every organisation the moment it had a mole in it... there'd be no organisations ever.
mircea_popescu: no but these are arms. i thought this is what arm mostly is, bridge-wise.
mircea_popescu: honesrtly i'd still rather get this than "go to store buy intel chip"
mircea_popescu: honestly, i don't expect either elegance or smoothness come out of the haphazard antidesign style of google et all.
mircea_popescu: contrary to your respective inclinations, you two'd actually make a great team. very bias-mismatched.
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit... google returns my own stored image if you try and find the "porch monkey" thing. jesus f. the web is pointless.
mircea_popescu: "NEW YORK, June 05, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- The Nasdaq Stock Market announced today that it will delist the common stock of Long Blockchain Corp. Long Blockchain Corp.’s stock was suspended on April 12, 2018 and has not traded on Nasdaq since that time. "
spyked: asciilifeform, could please expand re. "blobulent arm"? it's allwinner a53 afaik? I have no comments re. all other points other than: judging from what I hear, only alternative seems "bake own case/kbd/other parts or reuse ones from x60/whatever".
mircea_popescu: well, don't encourage the "ima make really strong damning statements without my notes" stuff either.
mircea_popescu: so "it's utter rubbish" / "i suspect the os dyi may be sprinkling of holy water, but never checked this. let me know if you establish one way or the other" ?
mircea_popescu: i honestly dunno what diff it makes for what's intended as a cheap throwaway anyway
mircea_popescu: kbd... well... yeah. though i loathe laptop kbds equally anyway. nonstandard shape
mircea_popescu: why the fuck they imagine ~this~ is engineering problem to solve is anyone's guess. but the laptop kbds they produce are reminiscent of lens-shaped dildos. WHY WOULD YOU
mircea_popescu: "but mp, who are you to define humanity" shut it. i said, shut it.
mircea_popescu: good for you but my hands are made for slapping bitches in place. 450mm plox ty.
mircea_popescu: keyboard is the size it is. laptop builds around that, the size of the keyboard is not an open engineering problem.
mircea_popescu: yeah, we've not even got to the extra annoying extra short travel distance.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of brick pollitt, "that will come too."
BingoBoingo: Watching this laptop get molested in channel in near real time is a complete joy.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; basically old lizzards hold exact same pov as tmsr, keeping rsa keys and letting the bumbling kiddies play about with the ecc.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, i am not proposing this agreement as some kind of proof.)
a111: Logged on 2018-06-08 13:48 asciilifeform: stinkpad w540
phf: i used to get comments about ibook in the early 2000s, like old boomer types asking me about y2k or whatever. get the same reaction with x60 now, some guy on amtrak wanted to talk about bitcoin
BingoBoingo: The age of my laptop shocks Latinos and Latinas universally.
phf: oh those are a special category. my iranians also get distressed because i use old hardware.
phf: ah, so it's a "we'll unlock but not for you"
BingoBoingo: The vulnerability is "person physically in control of machine can fuck it as he likes"
a111: Logged on 2018-06-08 18:31 asciilifeform: 'did not securely authenticate firmware updates'
mircea_popescu: "nation states". they can just say tmsr, why all the pretense.