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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682055 << i actually spent a minute trying to trace the etymology of "parabel" until finally figured out wtf it is. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 21:02 BingoBoingo: Well, religion doesn't start with invisible friend. Starts with axioms. Parabels acrete. Then editor makes narrative cohesive enough to sell.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682056 << then i moved to next line in logs, noticed it's actually a tmsr-caltrop this thing ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 21:03 asciilifeform sat and puzzled, 'did he mean parabellum, or... parable'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682081 << funny, just mentioned this today. anyway, bog standard jerry can. patent prolly held by us 1900s car co. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 21:33 asciilifeform: https://a.d-cd.net/b7539du-960.jpg << subj
mircea_popescu: ah as it turns out, it's actually wehrmacht-einheitskannister. nazi invention.
asciilifeform: and great invention.
asciilifeform: literally unimprovable imho.
asciilifeform: 'jerry' incidentally is a hint: it was unknown in english world prior to ww2
asciilifeform: ( what did they use? the pieces of shit that need funnels )
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: plenty of great, green, steel gas cans with no idiocy for sale on 'ebay' << werd
mircea_popescu: krautzes actually had emptying duration specifications and shit.
mod6: i gotta get one and try it out
asciilifeform: not just 'emptying durations', whole thing was actually thought through -- could be carried by 1 or 2, 1 man can comfortably lift 2 full or 4 empties; they stacked; allowed for thermal expand; would float in the sea, even if full; etc
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: exactly the kind of 'unsexy' great engineering that adds up to a working tech civilization.
mircea_popescu: well, to a nazi empire at least.
asciilifeform: to all modern armies.
mircea_popescu: if you find anything that works in an us army item, let me know.
asciilifeform: the humble jerry can.
asciilifeform: works.
asciilifeform: ( for nao !! )
mircea_popescu: they no longer use it
trinque: they replaced it
trinque: ha
mircea_popescu: was army spec, got obsoleted.
asciilifeform: did they? with what ?
trinque: with an idiot plastic thing
mircea_popescu: plastic.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: oya.
asciilifeform: iirc nato spec still iron
mircea_popescu: it is, get this, more envirowhiny er
asciilifeform: nuts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nato doesn't have a spec. for anything. look you it up.
asciilifeform: these folks are tired of living, ain't they.
mircea_popescu: very.
asciilifeform still finds it strange that american drivers dun have 2 full jerry cans in their trunk at all times
asciilifeform: why let the empty space go to waste!11
mircea_popescu: also space station ?
asciilifeform: waiwat
mircea_popescu: space in vehicle is never empty empty.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if they found you woithj two nazi cans of fuel they'd prolly hang you. wrecking through petrol stockpiliong or w/e.
mircea_popescu: terroarism
asciilifeform: now this is true, have you met these folx? picture 100kg of plastic 'food' wrappers etc
asciilifeform: in a 2door auto.
asciilifeform: stockpiling rubbish is somehow 'national sport' here.
mircea_popescu: motorized dumpster!
asciilifeform: oblig jerry can : https://youtu.be/zYIaDYRipoM?t=57m27s (5m or so)
asciilifeform: (eng subs work)
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the impact of tech still lingers. for eg : my bmw tank actually is 2 cans.
asciilifeform: sounds small
asciilifeform: 20 L ??
mircea_popescu: 43 or so.
asciilifeform: that's 4+
mircea_popescu: 4.
mircea_popescu is fixated on the 20l ro version for some reason\
mod6: <+asciilifeform> stockpiling rubbish is somehow 'national sport' here. << lol so true!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> very. << indeed
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> anyway, if they found you woithj two nazi cans of fuel they'd prolly hang you. wrecking through petrol stockpiliong or w/e. << yeah, you'd think that they'd encourage people to not run out of gas, but nope. in fact, it is highly illegal to run out of gas on the freeway.
mod6: fineable offence. if your wheels fall off, and you come to a grinding halt. no big deal. you may just have to pay for the towtruck. but no fine. run out of gas (preventable), hefty fine.
mircea_popescu: wtf just get off and refill
mircea_popescu: light is set to go off liters before actually out
mod6: "E stands for ``enough''"
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: another national sport of kinds
mircea_popescu: tank of gas = 35k colones = 70bux. comida india = 60k or so colones. etc.
mod6: yeah, here it's $2.20/gal. takes me ~$60 to fill up the burby.
mircea_popescu: o i know. everyone else pays two bux a liter ; except the "enviro conscious" usians, they pay 0.5 a liter.\
mod6: but not a week goes by that some fuckstick isn't standing in line to get $1 worth of gas. aka, fart into his tank.
mircea_popescu: richest country in the world, could buy apple.
mod6: which is not a crime, but jesus, maybe get at least enough to not run out 3 blocks after you leave the gas station.
mod6: lol, bingo.
asciilifeform: mod6: how do you get '$1 worth' ? drip from the nozzle ?
mircea_popescu: 1L
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mod6: how do you get '$1 worth' ? drip from the nozzle ? << Cut your number of wheels in half
mod6: basically. they go inside, throw the jockey some change, and then pump ~.4 gals
mod6: it boggles the mind.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the lube job goes.
mircea_popescu: "today, we're only changing the top can of oil"
mod6: BingoBoingo makes a good point. even the motorcycles get more.
asciilifeform: mod6: why to do this?!
mod6: beyond my imagination.
mod6: lol, actually. no.
mod6: they get an $8.50 pack of cigs, and $1 of gas.
mod6: cigs, gotta have those. NO MATTER WHAT.
mod6: don't get me started about the people and their fucking lotto tickets.
asciilifeform: why not sell the auto then. think how much tobacco it'd buy
mircea_popescu: i imagine not owned outright
mod6: couldnt possibly be. somehow scammed lender.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> don't get me started about the people and their fucking lotto tickets. << BUT ELLIOT!!!
mod6: "have job; professional blogger"
mod6: "even have blogger internet speed!"
mod6: haha
mod6: the worst part about the lotto tickets people, is they buy them, then more often than not (it seems like), insist on scratching them off right there and then. ☟︎
mod6: savages.
mircea_popescu: do the various "states" / scams still actually pay anything on those ?
mircea_popescu: iirc ill-inois gave up all pretense
asciilifeform: i thought the whole point of lotto is to walk around with the 'schrodinger' ticker, picture bathtubs of money etc
BingoBoingo: Illinois apparently went back to paying lottery, giving up on paying anything else
mod6: apparently. although, i recently read that illinois just had to shut down their lotto service ... and powerball pulled out of there?
mircea_popescu: thyey got their priorities right
asciilifeform: wats the point of blowing its wad on the spot.
mod6: not 100% sure if that was true or not though.
asciilifeform: *ticket
mircea_popescu: if alf had a rock of crack he'd prolly go around with it luring crackwhores rather than smoking it all right then and there also.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> apparently. although, i recently read that illinois just had to shut down their lotto service ... and powerball pulled out of there? << It's back now. The General Assembly had to suck a lot of other state's dicks, but it's back
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the underworld works, yo.
mod6: BingoBoingo: lol. priorities. people need to feel like "they can be a winner too!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: picture, when i go fishing i dun even eat the worms along the way
asciilifeform: save, imagine, for the... fish
mircea_popescu: lol
mod6: haha
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> motorized dumpster! << so recently i was told a story about how this guy in ohio borrowed this car that was a dumpster on wheels -- i'll spare you all the details, but the long of the short of it is; this guy's life was saved when he was t-boned by a dumptruck on the freeway because of all the garbage in the car.
mircea_popescu: orly.
mod6: apparently, all the trash apparently saved him from getting somehow crushed or whatnot.
mircea_popescu: has all the markings of urban legend dunnit
asciilifeform: this sounds quite like the 'kpss party membership booklet stopped bullet' nonsenses
mod6: it does.
asciilifeform: or bibles prior
mod6: eitherway, i had a good laugh out of this tale, as i can picture this as indeed, many people fill their cars with trash.
asciilifeform: i never grasped the reason for this
mod6: in 1994 i worked at this gas station, and this dude who used to come in and get gas had his ENTIRE car filled with empty cig packs.
asciilifeform: but, gave colleagues ride,
asciilifeform: and they marveled,
asciilifeform: 'how empty!'
mod6: lol. it's as if you should need to swim through garbage to get to your seat/belt.
mod6: another friend of mine had so many mc'ds sacks in the back, when he threw out a cig it came back in the window and started a fire in the back seat. on the freeway of course.
mircea_popescu: sounds like my ancient "cars --- through the sewage pipes" dream is being realised. from the inside,
mod6: he said, "when i looked in the rearview mirror, i saw flames, and my brain tried to tell me that i was imagining the flames."
mod6: so he actually ignored this for a number of moments until the smoke was filling the car.
mircea_popescu: needs a better brain.
mod6: when it was all said and done, he had burned away probably 25% of his back seat.
mod6: yeah. wild stuff.
asciilifeform: lol right where petrol tank
mod6: yup.
mircea_popescu: speaking of freeways, mp on freeway today, gets pulled over.
mircea_popescu: guy goes through dirver girl's papers, then asks for car papers. i'm liek, you don't need car papers in cr dood, sez my lawyer
mircea_popescu: policeman's like "well yeah, but your technical revision thingee's not on the windshield"
asciilifeform: lol just like ye olde state of virginia
mircea_popescu: so i explain to him that looky, i just bought it, i had it redone, new brakes, shocks, everything in there. two weeks ago.
mircea_popescu: and he's like "very good that you fixed your car, but you hafta actually get it inspected. there's a special inspection orrifice"
mircea_popescu: whole thing that threw me is that the shop gives you a sticker, but you need A DIFFERENT one.
BingoBoingo: Sounds like a shit test
mircea_popescu: nah, story checked out.
mod6: was it the front windshield?
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: they have some laser reader thing i think
mod6: that's kinda interesting, up here you get ticked for anything obstructing your view in the winshield. people still hang all sorts of shit off the rearview anyway, such as, inexplicable dice. or whatever.
mircea_popescu: (and i dun blame them for pushing the issue -- i have seen more cars dead on roadside here, incl IN TOWN than i had previously in my entire life.)
mircea_popescu: mod6 ah, i didn't get fined. or otherwise bothered.
mircea_popescu: the guy was just liek... "well, the fine's $120 ; carry on but get it done will ye"
mod6: ah, well at least you didn't get taxed extra.
mircea_popescu: the fortunes of not living in police state.
mod6: open-air prison indeed.
mircea_popescu: they weren't there on the way back, either. because a truck had crashed into a mini
mod6: nice.
hanbot: mircea_popescu also helps that you're able to talk to cops. most people do some combo of flipping out n' whining
mircea_popescu: i had an open rum bottle in the fucking back seat tho!
mod6: yeah, here people like freak, get out of the car, get tazed/shot, etc.
hanbot: ahahaha
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i never grasped the reason for this << Sloth
mod6: haha.
mircea_popescu: and my pants were undone\
hanbot: "what seems to be the officer, problem?"
mircea_popescu: (not making this shit up)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i had an open rum bottle in the fucking back seat tho! << Bless federalism. That's some sort of attempted murder in Illinois, but "Cool, have fun kids" in Missouri
mircea_popescu: mason-shithead line, eh ?
mircea_popescu: (and no, the driver didn't get any. i drink responsibly.)
BingoBoingo: Not just a line, A whole river.
asciilifeform pictures mircea_popescu's jerry can of rum
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
mod6: never leave home without two
mircea_popescu: it's not far off, this stuff's closer to beer. 34% or some shit
asciilifeform: grog
mircea_popescu: it is SUPERB tho.
mircea_popescu: first country i didn't miss tzuica.
asciilifeform much liked mircea_popescu tzuica from c2
mircea_popescu: it is the standard all other brews measure up (or more often, down) to
BingoBoingo never really drank for the taste
mircea_popescu: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/79/89/a5/7989a50bab91a60a8de37d71c13c66aa.jpg << and who stole it ?
mod6: just took a step into a much larger world here
mod6: :!./ffa_test
mod6: 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000024
mod6: was, 6*6=36d (0x24)
mod6: finally :]
mircea_popescu: nice
mod6: pretty ciked really.
mod6: took me quite a while to gain the knowledge of how to write a test driver that creates the ffa generic package and the necessary compoents to make that possible. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ya no small hill oif beans
mircea_popescu: write it all up btw
mod6: sure, will throw something out there; maybe by the end of the weekend.
mod6: well, might be a bit premature, but will refine it a bit and get something out there.
mod6: this is actually using karatsuba, haven't even integrated the new comba code yet. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "from scratch to 36d (0x24)". by mod6.
mircea_popescu: not bad eh ?
mod6: yah, the big victory, at least for me, is figuring out how to use the thing.
mircea_popescu: so then
mod6: :] fair enough
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/AjrmF << Lol, fucking domain squatters
BingoBoingo: "At Tue Aug 01 2017 00:00:00 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time), Bitcoin confirmation scores may become unreliable for an unknown length of time. This means that any bitcoins you receive after that time may later disappear from your wallet or be a type of bitcoin that other people will not accept as payment." << lol ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "alternatively, don't go on forks, don't have a problem."
mircea_popescu: anyway, can't do anything else, try and FUD it.
mircea_popescu: teh usg is about as predictable as shit in the road.
mircea_popescu: who wants to buy / sell some bitcoin on Aug 01 at 0 "coordinated universal time" whatever the shit that means.
mircea_popescu: let me rephrase that in the form of a question. who wants to buy / sell some bitcoin on Aug 1st ?
BingoBoingo: Well, this is a most idiotic of forks, use luke-jr UASF client, and you fork onto luke-jrXT chain at X date with no miners required
BingoBoingo: So it may be time to load jerry cans onto the roflcopter
mircea_popescu: fulla what, bait worms ?
BingoBoingo: Why not, it's time to think outside the blocks http://epmonthly.com/article/think-outside-blocks-creative-uses-lidocaine/
mircea_popescu: it's time for random shitstain to angle towards unwarranted relevancy 24/7 over there, innit
BingoBoingo: Well, to be fair they burned most of their other names. This is just Luke-jr's turn
mircea_popescu: lol either that or karpeles.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin.org straifght to /dev/null. utter scamsite.
mod6: ^
mircea_popescu: !!rated lukejr
deedbot: mircea_popescu has not rated lukejr.
mircea_popescu: odd.
mircea_popescu: !!rated luke-jr
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated luke-jr -10 at 2014/07/24 17:24:17 << VERY old history of being untrustworthy. See http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-07-2014#767750 or inquire within
mircea_popescu: such name.
BingoBoingo: Well, when your greatest health problem is a bubble, you forget the fat brained dun remember stuff.
mircea_popescu: or have any money.
mircea_popescu: incidentally my greatest health problem atm is hooker-acquired strep throat. bubble long gone, lost a little weight and well... that was it.
BingoBoingo: But how much distress is this causing compared to the murder bubble?
mircea_popescu: ~none.
BingoBoingo: AHA
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2381.5, vol: 11630.24626974 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2336.287, vol: 3864.84628 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2340.7, vol: 18797.66823435 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2430.452946, vol: 7123.30490000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2385.295, vol: 7170.25236891 | Volume-weighted last average: 2369.85539893
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/bundle-475410.txt
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682303 << iirc phf posted his ffa helloworld a day or so after the original paste ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 05:16 mod6: took me quite a while to gain the knowledge of how to write a test driver that creates the ffa generic package and the necessary compoents to make that possible.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1649044 << somewhere in there ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 21:57 phf: asciilifeform: i did a thing
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682315 << is this the one where they have an entire chinese minery coopted for phorkwar griefing ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 05:28 BingoBoingo: "At Tue Aug 01 2017 00:00:00 GMT+0000 (Coordinated Universal Time), Bitcoin confirmation scores may become unreliable for an unknown length of time. This means that any bitcoins you receive after that time may later disappear from your wallet or be a type of bitcoin that other people will not accept as payment." << lol
asciilifeform: ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! ) ☟︎
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/07/13/the-implications-of-bitcoin-for-inheritance/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - The implications of Bitcoin for inheritance.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682308 << comba is an O(N^2) multer. it beats the classical one simply because it doesn't need a scratch buffer of length N. it goes as the base case in karatsuba, not instead of it ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 05:21 mod6: this is actually using karatsuba, haven't even integrated the new comba code yet.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/ZZVgC/?raw=true << like this. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: in other noose, bitbet.us still dead.
shinohai: !!up andreicon
deedbot: andreicon voiced for 30 minutes.
andreicon: o hai
shinohai: hai andreicon ... who might you be?
andreicon: some human from planet earth
andreicon: not many left like me
andreicon: just 7B copies
shinohai: That's comforting, I have spoken to too many markov bots of late.
andreicon: what's up with this chan?
shinohai: Well http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ should explain the goal of this chan
andreicon: shinohai: are you one of them? your spelling is too good
andreicon: this seems interesting
shinohai: I pride myself in using precise spelling and grammar when possible.
andreicon: what are the benefits though?
shinohai: Results may vary depending on time of day and my level of sobriety at the moment.
andreicon: .. of participating in this... game?
shinohai: Benefits?
andreicon: for example
andreicon: i already run a btc node
andreicon: does that confer me a higher status in the republic?
shinohai: Is it a http://thebitcoin.foundation/ node?
diana_coman: !!key andreicon
deedbot: Not registered.
shinohai: Otherwise, most ppl present here won't be interested.
andreicon: nope
andreicon: what version are they running?
andreicon: i don't think i've updated mine in a while
andreicon: i've been happy seeding the chain
andreicon: diana_coman: cauti pub de gpg?
andreicon: :))
diana_coman: lol; andreicon nu, ci iti atrag atentia ca in esenta aici inca nu existi
andreicon: okay, i suspected that. sry. let's stick to english
diana_coman: sure; what brings you here?
andreicon: i had just learnt of the existence of #trilema and thebitcoin.foundation
andreicon: long story
andreicon: i was looking up openbsd ☟︎
andreicon: on wikipedia
diana_coman: plenty of time around here; it's a logged chan too, so people will read when they wake up/come around
andreicon: and 5 minutes ago i found thebitcoin.foundation which linked to here
diana_coman: #trilema and thebitcoin; no #eulora yet?
diana_coman: ahh, I see; take it easy, it's a deep rabbit hole
andreicon: yes, very deep
andreicon: i'll look into it later this evening
andreicon: maybe even switch my node to the version you recommend
diana_coman: what were you after re openbsd?
mod6: mornin
diana_coman: hi mod6
mod6: :]
andreicon: just looking around, i was actually thinking of switching from my current debian installation to something more exciting ☟︎
andreicon: heard fedora 26 was out
andreicon: but then... i had already used fedora before
andreicon: i want something i've never used before
andreicon: so i was looking up bsd and arch
diana_coman: do you know that curse "may you live in interesting/exciting times"?
andreicon: never heard of it, but it doesn't sound like a curse. not in my book
andreicon: openbsd led to mircea popescu donation 20k ☟︎
andreicon: mircea popescu led to trilema
diana_coman: andreicon, how about gentoo?
andreicon: and well... not so long story
andreicon: isn't that deb based?
diana_coman: in some sense all of them are binary based too
andreicon: i'm thinking of switching to something different
andreicon: as in ... a debian fork, uses apt as a package manager
andreicon: nevermind that... i just felt i was stuck so i had to get my mind busy with something else
shinohai: I am a former Debian user, now ashamed to say I used it for so long after being here and learning to gentoo properly.
andreicon: shinohai: so would you recommend gentoo to an intermediate user?
andreicon: i'm not yet familiar with the inner workings of the init system
shinohai: I'd recommend it as worth taking the time to learn to anyone interested in computing.
shinohai: (Rome wasn't built in day, etc.)
andreicon: :)
andreicon: how about support for lxc and docker ?
andreicon: okay
diana_coman: andreicon, what do you do for a living if you don't mind me asking?
shinohai: ewww .... docker
andreicon: i do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe
andreicon: sorry to cut this short but i gotta switch offices
diana_coman: np; but consider registering a key here
diana_coman: as otherwise one can't even know it's *you* talking next time
diana_coman: can be any other andreicon just the same
andreicon: i'll meet you guys and gals later. ofc diana_coman, i will also register a key as soon as i reach my home office
andreicon: !!key diana_coman
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/E72DCCB73A5E06694C5CD781D5196EE6390F999E.asc
andreicon: aight
andreicon: that's what the output looks like
diana_coman: aha; have fun
andreicon: thx a lot guys, i feel like i'm going to have a good time talking to you here
andreicon: tty later
shinohai: See ya andreicon o/
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682345 << i have, can post it again, but afaik the interface has changed since. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:02 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682303 << iirc phf posted his ffa helloworld a day or so after the original paste
phf: i haven't stayed up to date, i'm instead studying this avionics software source code (it's a bit iffy, written by universities, but has a wider variety of stuff)
asciilifeform: phf: link?
phf: to my code or avionics?
asciilifeform: read 'university', assumed it's public somewhere
phf: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1707.00945.pdf https://github.com/tum-ei-rcs/StratoX
asciilifeform: ty phf
phf: i'm not sure how kosher it is (it's SPARK but they also use gnat extensions), i'm just recreating their project at a local hackerspace
asciilifeform: and holy shit is that thing a hog, for what it ( at least according to the docs ) does !!
phf: ikr
phf: well, it's written by real time os people, rather than, you know, flight engineers, so naturally
phf: another amusing point for how little it does AND assisted by both ada and spark they still manage to introduce 3 "mistakes"
asciilifeform: https://github.com/tum-ei-rcs/StratoX/tree/master/software/hal/hal/src << holy mother of fuck, why is there vga framebuffer handler in a weather balloon ??
asciilifeform: and touch screen ?!!
phf: just to clarify, is not a weather balloon, it's an autonomous uav glider
asciilifeform: with vga touch screen, uhuh
asciilifeform: pretty lulzy shitfest. great resource for learning 'how not to ada'
phf: oh fuck you :) ☟︎
asciilifeform: but overall not a bad time to note, there are afaik no public examples of 'how to ada' that would have satisfied asciilifeform .
asciilifeform: ada had this slow accumulation of concession-to-'mainstreamindustry' barnacle crud
phf: fwiw it invalidate your thesis that ada is hipster proof
asciilifeform: shit can be piled on top of anything. question is whether it chemically bonds to it, or not.
phf: and they are coming from the "formal verification" direction, via spark ☟︎
asciilifeform: FIRST you write the fits-in-head minimal ffa-like thing. THEN you spark.
asciilifeform: just like 'first you pillage, then you burn' (tm)(r)
diana_coman: well, I can't see how slow accumulation of concession to shit leads to anything other than "chemically bonds to it" at some point ☟︎
phf: ^
phf: still a question of ownership. you can even have a C compiler without undefined behavior, if you're rob pike and wrote it from scratch for your own os.
asciilifeform: thus far i am satisfied with my ability to cleanly scrape the shit off gnat. e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681702 + http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1681931 produces asm that satisfied my 'is this really nonbranchingonsecretz' headache. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 00:56 asciilifeform: mod6 et al : in other noose, i have a working experimental build with No_Implicit_Conditionals, No_Implicit_Heap_Allocations, No_Implicit_Dynamic_Code, No_Secondary_Stack, No_Exception_Propagation, No_Tasking, No_Protected_Types, No_Delay, No_Allocators, No_Dispatch restrictions.
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 18:57 asciilifeform: mod6 et al : moar gnatology for fun an' profit : add -S -fverbose-asm to your -cargs to replace .o output with readable asmolade
asciilifeform: but indeed there is no escape from the ownership requirement. we already have a 'final' gnat, for instance.
asciilifeform: ( i will not be using the clang gnats )
phf: right
asciilifeform: the other thing to remember, is that the win from writing in ada - but not in ada in general, but the style demonstrated in ffa in particular -- remains even if YOU HAVE NO ACCESS TO GNAT and gotta compile by hand into asm. because it forces the style of algo that CAN be safely so expressed - i.e. without presumption of pointerolade arithmetic, gc, or other cost-externalizing electrosocialisms ☟︎
phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. not so, and you can see it with the recent evolution of sbcl. for example they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols, e.g. (flet ((first (...))) ...) will fail, breaking a lot of reasonable old code. many historic idioms likewise produce compilation warnings, etc. ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: lol, i haven't updated since...
asciilifeform: $ ls -l `which sbcl`
asciilifeform: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 231120 Apr 22 2013 /usr/bin/sbcl
asciilifeform: but sure. they'll pile, pile on the shit.
asciilifeform: for all i know , latest one forces use of [] in place of ()
asciilifeform: or whatever.
asciilifeform: ( and items like sockets were never in the standard to begin with, and eternally a free-for-all of proprietary crapolade )
phf: proprietary crapolade is still preferable to the "compatibility packages", which are often poorly written (hello, cffi!) and ripe for modernization (uiop)
asciilifeform: phf: even straight posix-c glue is preferable to those.
asciilifeform: phf: witness what i did re mmap for instance. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 << subj ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
asciilifeform: adacore has their own mmap library, gpl. but it is ~20x the size of mine, and it is difficult to see why
asciilifeform: ( well, not really difficult, it insists on, e.g., supporting winblowz. )
asciilifeform: i took 1 look and thought 'straight to the furnace with this'
asciilifeform: mine worx, even on crapple.
phf: or possible supporting all kinds of system specific corner cases (oh netbsd returns NULL here instead of "FOO")
asciilifeform: betcha even if you support all of the weird bsds, it will add maybe a few lines.
asciilifeform: ( and ftr i have nfi whether adacore's thing works on netbsd etc )
asciilifeform: adacore's mmap resembles that 'avionics' thing. full of 'meta' liquishit.
asciilifeform: the kind of proggy written by folx born to shovel dung.
asciilifeform: 'look at my loc counter, i am HARD WORKER!'
asciilifeform: 'i have 9000 layers of metatronics keeping track of own navel lint' ☟︎
phf: well, problem is that there doesn't seem to be much in terms of tasteful ada code available to public. with common lisp you can go to mid-90s and before and you start getting some very reasonable works, worthy imitation.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform is very slowly fixing this.
asciilifeform: i've even contemplated making the result available, somehow, in dead tree, eventually.
asciilifeform: ( i like dead tree. and know some folx who also like. )
phf: bulk of ada code i've seen so far is very much workingmen code, cobol like stuff from the belly of industrial facilities
asciilifeform: phf: this is not necessarily bad thing
asciilifeform: phf: contrary to appearances, asciilifeform is not fixated on ada lang per se, but rather on the style of thinking it leads the operator into. ☟︎
phf: nah, potato programming doesn't contain any sort of insight. the quality is a bit higher, once you're done wrestling with the compiler, but it takes experience, intelligence and taste to come out on the other end.
asciilifeform: 'insight' is overrated
asciilifeform: there ain't much of it in, e.g., ffa
phf: just because socialists stole the terminology, doesn't mean that words somehow lost their meaning
phf: there's plenty of insight in ffa
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682351 << dude... ustards. did they ever do anything ? other than blather, did they ? http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-02#1038618 ? never happened ? ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:12 asciilifeform: ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! )
a111: Logged on 2015-03-02 15:03 mats: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-03-01/iraq-deploys-27-000-troops-to-retake-tikrit-from-islamic-state
asciilifeform: see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-07#1640167 for what i mean ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
asciilifeform: phf: the 'insight' in ffa is simply the kind that was taught to the prussian soldiers -- 'stop overthinking'
mircea_popescu: the tikrit fucking offensive. if you actually had the means to do an embargo on russia, would you announce it in advance ? if you had the actual men and materiel to take as much as an ozarks farm, would you announce it in advance ? etfc.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking pile of fail consists of the vague hope someone may be dumb enough to take a barking caterpillar for a dog.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sorta what 'fud' means neh
mircea_popescu: no, not really. fud is closer to the tmsrt notion of army in being than to the ustard notion of stupid males with cunts whining.
asciilifeform: a credible thread != fud
asciilifeform: *threat
asciilifeform: 'angelic legions of heaven will smiteya' -- fud
mircea_popescu: if a guy who looks like bill de blasio profers it, the whine can never be a threat. that's part of the definition of threat, there';s a tail in there going "and it was not said by anything like http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/de-failsio.jpg "
mircea_popescu: there's the pedosmile ; and then there's the castratocantthreato smile.
asciilifeform: fungi dun even have faces
mircea_popescu: kids about the age of i dunno, 15 or so if they're really late with the brain development discover ourdemocracy spawned parents can never threaten.
mircea_popescu: there is a reason for this.
mircea_popescu: and so you hear the better hos going "or else what ? whatcha gonna do, bitch ?" to their mother on occasion, and know you've struck gold.
phf: asciilifeform: that's silly. it took you many years to arrive to the point where you even understand what "stop overthinking" is, or how to manifest it in code and still provide the solution. i problem is in too much thinking, then you could get a complete idiot to write ffa.
phf: *if
asciilifeform: phf: reread the linked frederickthegreat thread
mircea_popescu: phf i'll propose to you that the problem is too much over"thinking". the idea is to get the idiot stop doing what he thinks is thinking.
asciilifeform: the hypothetical 'complete idiot' has the problem of 'buluceala' in his head. not 'not enough thought'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: this is seen ALL THE FUCKING TIME with randos walking in here, under the hallucinatory impression that they have minds. a fine recent example being http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-20#1672449 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-20 14:44 sn0wmonster: i like how you made this about you.
mircea_popescu: he thinks, in the portable latrine he carries above his shoulders, that such nonsense is the result of a thought process, that he's thinking, you know, at me and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: this is because he actually lacks the capacity to discern thought from the dumb shit he's doing ; not because he's not thinking enough.
phf: well, then wtf
mircea_popescu: and if he went to an establishment supported by pantsuit money and dedicated to the encouragement of shit sloshing, he could spend any amount of time and effort NOT IMPROVING
mircea_popescu: which is how you get talented souls who evidently put time into it, like say djb, or like say blum, being dumber than the l2.
asciilifeform: phf: do you recall the ( now defunct ? and i forget where it was... ) www where folx made fun of 'india code', with the folx who never heard of a for() loop etc
mircea_popescu: who aren't nearly as well selected or invested into their own mental life.
phf: you gotta study to get to the point where "it's a simple matter of". that's the kind of insight that reading ffa can give you
mircea_popescu: this is not true.
mircea_popescu: you know the joke about the ny plumber who has a price for fixing a faucet that broke, and a different one for fixing a faucet you tried to fix ?
mircea_popescu: i can teach sanity to rabid street urchin within months and to rachel from jewish middle class home within years. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, teh dungeon calls ; i shall be back in a coupla.
asciilifeform: picture how many years for djb!
asciilifeform: ( he's probably need a decade of gulag, like korolev, at this point )
mircea_popescu: no, it's why i gave up on the notion. djb is too old to be worth it, just like 35yo woman caught in wild.
asciilifeform: well yes, hence 'not worth'
phf: i don't understand the points that you're both trying to make ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682555 << some time it would be interesting to read what means 'sanity' here, other than the somewhat circular 'not what the pantsuits do' ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:58 mircea_popescu: i can teach sanity to rabid street urchin within months and to rachel from jewish middle class home within years.
asciilifeform: phf: i'ma try again. for past few yrs i collected various maculature re 'bignum arithmetic', etc. and it all turned out to be rubbish, it is going to the flea market. because was made by people who did not consider the essentials.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'what do you ACTUALLY NEED for rsa ?'
phf: you improve your craft by studying from master craftsmen. if you've studied too long in from poor craftsmen, never developed the skill to discriminate, etc. then of course you're going to be poor craftsman yourself (and possibly unteachable)
asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen ☟︎
asciilifeform: and realizing that they are the reason why $subj ( for various values of $subj ) appears not to make sense.
phf: sure, but you can do that if you ~learned to discriminate~
asciilifeform: now this is true.
asciilifeform: but i am not currently sure whether this is teachable.
asciilifeform: and, if so, how.
trinque: most important bits probably in youth, i.e. beatings for the hint of lying shitbag.
phf: i can learn from that avionics code and possibly not even pick up too many bad habits, but i doubt i could've done that 15 years ago
phf: and the habits that i do pick up would be eliminated in the next round of learning
phf: i thought that proper classical education is all about learning how to discriminate? i mean western art has this value of "this guy is good, but not quite. this other guy is as good as this first guy, and he also has that not quite covered. he's the true master" ☟︎
phf: ~for me~ studying ffa is a faster method to pick up good habits, shed bad habits, considerably more so than say studying that avionics code above.
phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world ☟︎
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ( if you were switching on a genuine 51%tron, would you announce it in advance ?! ) << It's the one where they talk derps into client that forks by rejecting mined blocks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682578 << that was sorta the whole point. the traditional bignumtrons drove me batshit with their insistence on 'limbs' etc. i.e. nonuniform, heapy memory ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:14 phf: but ffa also doesn't have that many moving parts. it's a single stack mathematical code that mostly operates on same, uniform memory regions. so my original issue was that there's no enough quality code, certainly plenty of shit code, which is not quite the case in common lisp world
asciilifeform: so i asked 'what would this look like on sane iron' and ended up with ffa
phf: that's unrelated to my point
asciilifeform: ( consider the observation: if martians dropped in front of your house a 8192-bit cpu, you could set Word => 8192 and ... all of the loops disappear.
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: phf: if you want example with moar moving parts, the nqb snippets are probably closer
asciilifeform: ( i left the thing in a half-limbo when picking up 'p' to finish, but expect to get back to it before the summer's through )
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1634235 << thread ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 18:09 asciilifeform: but it remains, to demonstrate experimentally.
asciilifeform: the other thing, phf, is that not so many things ACTUALLY call for 'many moving parts'.
asciilifeform: e.g. the problem described in the avionics link, certainly does not
asciilifeform: so if you see 1) problem that doesn't call for multitude of moving parts + 2) multitude of moving parts --> you know you are looking at rubbish
asciilifeform: and oughta have your entomological hat on.
asciilifeform: ( if it's rubbish even worth digging through, that is -- most rubbish ain't )
asciilifeform: trying to learn something by reading shithubolade ( and yes i'm quite aware that there simply ain't much else in public ) is rather like trying to learn to be a fine french chef by studying shit going out the pipe of the toilet in famous restaurant
asciilifeform: ( and, most often, not even in 'famous restaurant' but mcd... )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682567 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:04 asciilifeform: this is the funny bit : i learned by studying from horrifying cruftsmen
asciilifeform: aha! what i learned was: throw it out and derive from 0.
phf: you studied them never the less
asciilifeform: wasted -- literally -- years.
asciilifeform: ( upside: now you dun have to )
asciilifeform: there is no, for instance, useful reason to read gmp ( unless you're van-ecking gpg users, in which case you gotta )
phf: well, if you can write me an avionics code that will do all the things (figure out the position of aircraft in space, both on micro i.e. in relation to earth's surface and macro i.e. gps levels, knows how to adjust that position both in normal operational and critical situations, etc. etc.) then i won't have to study existing ones either
asciilifeform: it is difficult to write proggy for machines that i dun have
asciilifeform: but it is conceivable that one day i will write one of even these, also.
asciilifeform: ( though i'm moar interested in gravimetric/terrain navigation than gps )
asciilifeform: i.e. the kind usg can't switch off or meacon on a whim
phf: i won't the thing to follow some pretty simple decision algorithm: here's a gps list of viable landing spots, here's a gps list of interesting targets. given your positional knowns decide and execute a flight path that'll take the aircraft through highest number of interesting targets before landing in any one of the viable landing spots. surprisingly large number of moving parts in a situation like that ☟︎
phf: *want
asciilifeform: ( relatedly : where is the open-source heat-seeker ?? )
phf: note that the actual output of the system is servo motor commands
asciilifeform: well yes
asciilifeform: what else.
phf: i'll use your device and claim that the comment was "for the log readers" ;)
asciilifeform: phf: i'd separate 'motion planning' from 'avionics', conceptually
asciilifeform: the latter is the set of immediate, real-time things like 'keep machine balanced' and 'counter wind' etc
asciilifeform: the former is 'where do i wanna be 2 hrs from nao'
asciilifeform: for motionplanning an internal lisp would not even be inappropriate
phf: right, motion planning also the part that's non existent in above code, so easier to greenfield, where's avionics is there in however poor form
asciilifeform: (not a bad exercise, btw -- make a 'tinyscheme' in ada)
phf: i think a good exercise is to rewrite one of the existing c machine subtrates from cmucl or sbcl in ada. but left for another lifetime
asciilifeform: making a scheme is an almost approachable thing, tho
asciilifeform: esp. if you dun much care re speed
asciilifeform: upstack and re navigation -- i'd like to see the lost art of electrical star tracking, come back
asciilifeform: ( it worked ok in 1950s (!) with WHOLLY ANALOGUE components. why not today ? ) ☟︎
phf: it's one of the reasons i started looking in this direction. obviously gps is inadequate for wasp stack
phf: asciilifeform: you have any links re "electrical star tracking"?
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asciilifeform: phf: aka celestial navigation. earliest relevant item being the gyrosextant.
asciilifeform: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/j.2161-4296.1947.tb01124.x/abstract << 1st public description of the nazi one
asciilifeform: ( paywall, see if you can find on warez )
phf: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com.sci-hub.cc/doi/10.1002/j.2161-4296.1947.tb01124.x/abstract
phf: i thought maybe you have one of those '99 home pages by a electrical star tracking aficionado
asciilifeform: the german one, of course could not find the fixed stars by itself, had to be set before rocket is fired. but would then keep the lock.
asciilifeform: phf: unfortunately not. the field was more or less quashed by usg.
asciilifeform: ( there might be good ru material floating about, i never dug in properly, it is on the lengthy conveyor )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682562 << i perceive i am not at liberty to speak here, but must quote newman : http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-31.23-31.373 ; this quote is not a rhetorical device, nor a stylistical choice. it is no choice at all. i ~must~ quote newman. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:03 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682555 << some time it would be interesting to read what means 'sanity' here, other than the somewhat circular 'not what the pantsuits do'
mircea_popescu: recursively, this perception of mine -- and its attendant structure! -- is an example of the meaning, see also the Framedragger thread re proper referencing, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-05#1637745 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-05 14:25 mircea_popescu: Framedragger so if it does not make that statement, it imports, like any research paper EVER, the following "the authors have conducted a full review of extant literature relevant to their topic, and swear that the following list is complete and correct :"
mircea_popescu: but, in correct terminology, it is very directly v-for-thought, and nothing else, and no more. "i thought i was writing code" "where's your press ?" "fuck. i understand now i was actually, and literally, and without remainder, just pouring sand on my dick for the novelty of the sensation, exactly like 3 yo first-time-at-black-sea does!"
mircea_popescu: aaaand meanwhile, at the true love ranch, http://68.media.tumblr.com/a8318b4ee01e4c59952bdc8b778c82a5/tumblr_oaazx2WHu01u20dnoo1_400.gif
asciilifeform: phf: celestial navigatron may not look as 'sexy' as a thermonuke, but it is actually in some ways equivalent in terms of strategic worth : a 10x moar accurate navigatron is worth roughly 100x the nukage! because inverse-square. think about it.
asciilifeform: so no, you won't find one at 'microcenter'. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what to do now, continue conversation node way back, go through the logs, re-read the short range here...
mircea_popescu: ima go hack up a pineapple, brb.
phf: :D
mircea_popescu: phf sorry about that. in retrospect i picked the worst choice, not even on the menu. should have just made a short hi and then decided.
mircea_popescu: the finer points of forum scheduling still elude me. but nevertheless -- let it be said each dog wil lget his day in the sun and nothing will remain buried in the logs, forgotten. so.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682392 << part of the internet history, lelz. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:29 andreicon: i was looking up openbsd
mircea_popescu: oh also : let it be said that there are few luxuries more luxurious than this thing whereby you point out the window, "see? that one!" and half hourish later you're hacking up the very fruit in question. they do make iiiiincredible fucking pineapples here.
phf: asciilifeform: somewhat related, i'm sure you've seen http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm
mircea_popescu: and since we're talking of fruit and here, let's take a detour into pina colada. the way to say ass in a sexy-friendly way is cola, which is why the sort of jeans that put out the girl's ass are called levantacola. so now... pina colada should thereby be translated "hourglass pineapple".
phf: !#s "aholme"
a111: 3 results for "\"aholme\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22aholme%22
asciilifeform: phf: handcrafted fpga gps? yes, saw
mircea_popescu: he links it in 2015 heh
phf: no, he linked a discrete ttl forth machine by the same guy
asciilifeform: iirc also saw
mircea_popescu: ah this is a gps receiver
mircea_popescu: actually great article, re the whole "extract signal from below thermal noise floor" thing.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/07/usg-domain-squatters-hype-soon-to-fail-luke-jrxt-fork/ << Qntra - USG Domain Squatters Hype Soon To Fail Luke-jrXT Fork
mircea_popescu: "Mixing with the same code in the correct phase de-spreads the wanted signal and further spreads everything else." << if this isn't technology i dunno what is.
phf: that fpga receiver is also technically an illegal device. i don't know if that's in the same article, but consumer gps is supposed to cut off signal when traveling above certain speeds or certain altitudes (i don't remember the specifics though)
ben_vulpes: and accelerations iirc
mircea_popescu: pretty sure any sort of non-usg engineering is not legal in usgland.
asciilifeform: phf: the gnuradio sdr thing (receives AND SENDS!11) is also theoretically banned, but still sold ( 3 or so hundy iirc )
asciilifeform: even at 'amazon'.
asciilifeform: i suppose if you're found gpsing with one it'll be like the d00dz found with kalash where they drilled the extra hole.
mircea_popescu: "The TCVCXO is good; but not quite up to GPS standard when operating un-boxed in windy locations. Blowing on it displaces the 10.000000 MHz crystal oscillator by around 1 part in 10 million or 1 Hz, which is magnified 150 times by the synthesizer PLL. This is enough to momentarily unlock the satellite tracking loops, if done suddenly."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: an 'oven' crystal is about a hundy.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why he'\s not using better oscillator assembly
asciilifeform: because desk prototype, i imagine.
asciilifeform: 'see if even could'
mircea_popescu: aha, ya
mircea_popescu: i am also suspicious of the 1 max 5 common best fix. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway, splendid article. this is what articles should aim to be.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682405 << bwahahaha. teh old girlfriend is approaching 30, is she, time for a new one. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:31 andreicon: just looking around, i was actually thinking of switching from my current debian installation to something more exciting
mircea_popescu: !~later tell andreicon re btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682416 see btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666245
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mircea_popescu: 16k lines in five weeks ? how the hell does anyone even keep up with this thing.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "which they suppose will resort from their latest" << resort dun work that way.
asciilifeform: phf: i tried to find the usglulz re gps speed limit, did not yet find, but found other similar wtf, e.g. http://www.gps.gov/spectrum/foreign/
asciilifeform: 'The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) rules require licensing of non-federal receive-only equipment operating with foreign satellite systems...'
mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/2fc0db5e94b5ec60a1a6cf24f2b64ae7/tumblr_o5k91cVFvc1tgs3fno1_1280.png << this incidentally is a fine example of what i mean by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664458 : bed-door clearance ? exactly enough to fit a standing chick, if were thin, AND NO MORE. ☝︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-02 02:06 mircea_popescu: and speaking of the "новые высоты прогресса и цивилизации", it can't quite escape one's notice that EVERY SINGLE FEMALE of reproductive age without exception lives in this thing where the bed is always within physical reach.
mircea_popescu: now compare to "the upper class" bed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform an amusing novelty might be a glonass/gps receiver, with a large "has WW3 started ?" sign to go off once it receives neither/.
mircea_popescu: !!up andreicon
deedbot: andreicon voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pretty sure ipnoje ships with these
mircea_popescu: a really ? alright then.
asciilifeform: ( is it connected to the map widget proggy? now this i have nfi )
asciilifeform: but chinese chip makers have, iirc, long ago stopped making usg-only units
asciilifeform: because wai.
phf: no, only connected to internal tracking transceiver
mircea_popescu: phf that restores my faith in apple engineering. could buy its own ass!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally : the pineapple hacking device is this chinese blade i bought on a lark. turns out it's the best steel i own / have seen in a long while. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, there are ok cn knives
mircea_popescu: no longer are the chinese the short yellow men of yore. actual steel.
asciilifeform: and, will add, ~all work ok when new.
asciilifeform: see if 'actual steel' a coupla yrs later.
mircea_popescu: that's my point.
asciilifeform: ah then neato.
mircea_popescu: altogether very well made knife, and wouldn't shame the milanese.
phf: but then i bought a handful of hand forged (non-artisanal, but for cutting coconuts and other such low skilled labor) knives in india. easily outperforms all the junk i had at home, apart from solingen cooking knives
mircea_popescu: coconut beheading not unskilled labour, i would say.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo "which they suppose will resort from their latest" << resort dun work that way. << ty fxd
mircea_popescu: phf do they do the one hack while holding the fruit move there ?
phf: yes, and since you reminded, i retract the unskilled part. i tried recreating the move, nearly hacked my hand off a few times, but not much damage to the coconut
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem of steel is not altogether a trivial matter of material science. nor is hand forging the universal solution. gotta make the steel for the purpose, as it were.
mircea_popescu: phf it's all because of mommentum. counter-military blow, the blade decelerates just as it hits somehiw. i can't do it either.
phf: also they use it to hack trees for kindling, etc. i tried using the knives for that purpose during camping, couldn't do much damage either. i suspect, yes, there's a tricky technique to it.
mircea_popescu: ah, THAT i can do.
mircea_popescu: not full speed, they manage an incredible coupla miles an hour, but still, human. i count for a 14yo boy i guess.
mircea_popescu: (jungle expedition consists of this person at the front doing a sideways circular motion with the machete to cut through all the gunk that grows everywhere. the men rotate at the front because it's hard fucking work.)
asciilifeform: 'All the major manufacturers that create chips for mobile devices (Broadcom, Qualcomm, CSR, Samsung, uBlox) have these limits deeply baked into their chips. If you want to go beyond the CoCom limits, you'd have to redesign the silicon, or at least reprogram the firmware without the manufacturer's support. That's not easy -- it's several years of work.' << lol
mircea_popescu: i thought you didn't read reddit.
phf: there's a scene in samurai executioner comic book, where main character is cutting wood with a very similar looking knife, observed by a local youth. the kid later tries to repeat the move, and complete fails to even penetrate the surface. pretty much where i'm at with all this :)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i do use search engine
asciilifeform: phf: yes!
mircea_popescu: phf i had a local guy who was trying to impress a local girl explain it all to me. fibers, man!
mircea_popescu: incidentally, for alf's benefit since he keeps asking about afghani survival skills : the social dynamics of peace is that the upper crust girl will erotically fixate on the foreign devil with some frequency ; and without exception she will have local cicisbeo xn ; and such a local will attempt to impress her by training you, with some frequency. becauyse hey, he figures the distance'd illuminate for her dumb female head how
mircea_popescu: big a mistake she's making.
mircea_popescu: there you go, you've now just read 80% of all "exotica" literature.
mircea_popescu: from maytreyi to jules verne.
asciilifeform: phf: http://archive.is/u5uG8 << might be interesting to learn where d00d got his hardware. because the article immediately gives us the fact that that particular receiver has the cripplement in firmware. after this, only a matter of finding where (derp, of course, did not post it)
mircea_popescu: it is one of the more obvious illustration of the "sexual relations === education" relationship.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's a cicisbeo xn ?
phf: http://web-simco.rhcloud.com/images/products/large/P006.jpg (knife in question, mine has less curve to it, the edge is almost entirely straight with only a slight curve at the end)
mircea_popescu: !~google cicisbeo
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Cicisbeo - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicisbeo>; Cicisbeo | Define Cicisbeo at Dictionary.com: <http://www.dictionary.com/browse/cicisbeo>; Cicisbeo | Definition of Cicisbeo by Merriam-Webster: <https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cicisbeo>
mircea_popescu: that times n.
mircea_popescu: phf ah that's a rather different item. it's not properly a machete, more like a sort of kukri.
asciilifeform: ah lol institutionalized cuckoldry
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ayup. all primitive societies practice a sort of adolescent male cock caging as a cultural, ofthen the ONLY cultural endeavour.
mircea_popescu: phf if you triedf to junglewalk with that thing you'd be blind for all the shit it drags into your face. machete blade is curved the other way, to (if used in the right manner) repell everything at a 45ish angle
mircea_popescu: also has to be sharpened "correctly". too sharp it embeds, too dull it tires you prematurely.
mircea_popescu: there's a dazzling depth to these pointless shits, which is why the whole "oh i wonder why ancient people didn't spend more time thinking -- i could derive all of euclid in an evening" is so amusing. ☟︎
phf: right, this is more of a worker knife. i've seen it used at construction sites for example to shape the beams
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it ain't as if modern people spend moartime thinking..
asciilifeform: despite not having to cut own firewood with dull knives.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform point being -- ancients did. just, they thought about things nobody cares one wit ore way or the other today.
mircea_popescu: wtf, if i actually have to clear jungle i'll bring in hydraulics not futz with a million blades held by a million locals.
asciilifeform: usg tried it both ways in vietnam.
mircea_popescu: "tried".
mircea_popescu: usg hasn't tried anything since ww2. and even that was half-ass
phf: another interesting knife from same region, https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_VRUwF_g5iR0/Sgk6yhrBeYI/AAAAAAAABg8/M66pogppt14/s320/image-upload-360-758538.jpg (the lower one). that one is explicitly used for dealing with coconut trees. the hook is there keep the knife secure while climbing up the coconut tree
mircea_popescu: which is how the russians got to germany while the us was figthing the "heroic" monkeys of italy.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the military history of italy in ww2 is almost as amusing as the colonial history of scotland.
mircea_popescu: worth a read. bandiera nera and all that mountains of greece tiganiada.
mircea_popescu: phf you met any of those banana spiders ?
phf: i haven't
mircea_popescu: apparently one of the most poisonus critters. only lives on bananas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for an example of actually trying, any large open pit mining project will do ; the sort where they can aford (ie, it makes economic sense) to design their own single-run machinery.
mircea_popescu: rather than buy multipurpose trucks and excavators and whatnot.
shinohai: !!up andreicon
deedbot: andreicon voiced for 30 minutes.
andreicon: thx
andreicon: !!register
andreicon: is he always so silent?
asciilifeform: lol microshit?!
mircea_popescu: if it fails use wotpaste
andreicon: looking at the logs i see he got it
andreicon: !!key andreicon
deedbot: Not registered.
andreicon: he failed
andreicon: :)
mircea_popescu: andreicon http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/ << put it in there.
mircea_popescu: iirc deedbot doesn't visit arbitrary urls.
andreicon: yes, i agree, i could be malicious
andreicon: !!register http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Vw9Ti/?raw=true
deedbot: 0791933111718EE32B7530422EAF8C142CB4FF7E registered as andreicon.
andreicon: 3 other people did visit that url
mircea_popescu: or bots. the channel is well watched lol.
andreicon: at least one was a browser
mircea_popescu: !!rate andreicon 1 believe it or not, " do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe" is a direct quote.
mircea_popescu: andreicon how do you know this ?
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5t0oL/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!v 0A36241C3C49877A1B2A4C32327433DACF377A858F2A84597BB298A1A1D1DFCA
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated andreicon 1 << believe it or not, " do php development for an insurance company in eastern europe" is a direct quote.
andreicon: - - [13/Jul/2017:19:15:05 +0000] "GET /favicon.ico HTTP/1.1" 404 209
andreicon: i believe this is the usual behavior for browsers
mircea_popescu: not bad at that. i guess plenty of people may go to the trouble to curl -A "blabla" but few will also add a spurious favicon hit.
asciilifeform: http://ipinfo.io/AS8075/ << lol
asciilifeform: say andreicon , why is microshit your isp ?
mircea_popescu: !!ssh
andreicon: i'm using a virtual machine on azure
phf: he's probably hosting it on azure
asciilifeform: ^ was my guess
mircea_popescu: meh what was it
asciilifeform: mightylel
andreicon: my tiny rpi won't run kodi and apache at the same time
mircea_popescu: !$ssh
andreicon: we can't allow the music to stop now, can we?
phf: i like digitalocean, though judging by the articles coming out about it's not long for this world re sanity
mircea_popescu: this is where Framedragger interjects to explain why azure isp was not in his whole internet scan!
andreicon: phf: i only use what's free
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it's a microshit vm it won't answer to ssh , now would it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and certainly not on the classic port.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the ip must run some kind of machine no ?
mircea_popescu: you mean they got their own tivo over there to this degree ? no ssh ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it's anything like aws, it gives you 2 ( and external ip for ssh only if you ask nicely )
asciilifeform: and yes.
andreicon: 22 should be exposed to the world
mircea_popescu asks question, discovers in response that he had nop fucking idea.
mircea_popescu: so you're telling me windows isn't just a skin on a functioning machine, but an actually dysfunctional from the ground up one ?
phf: gulag$ nc 22
phf: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.2p2 Ubuntu-4ubuntu2.2
mircea_popescu: ahem.
asciilifeform: lol i had nfi you could get these on microshit's hoster
andreicon: holy ssh, is that your local hostname?
phf: andreicon: it's my work machine :p
mircea_popescu: you work in the gulag ?
asciilifeform: fancy -- hq
andreicon: lol
asciilifeform: i had mere 'butugychag'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform see alf ? microshit ACTUALLY IS just a skin on a functioning machine.
asciilifeform: 'functioning'
phf: mircea_popescu: considering that i oversee a handful of web developers, while barely working myself, the joke about "he fell from the guard tower" is very apropos :o
mircea_popescu: lmao
andreicon: :)
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i should hope saiod machine had casemod with black light everywhere ?
asciilifeform: i dun think i have any of those lol
asciilifeform still lulz at the perverse englishism 'black light'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682463 << bwahaha. you'rte asking for it, lockal hacerspace boi! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:04 phf: oh fuck you :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, like "human services" or "defense force" etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682468 << of all the fucktarded notions... what, WHAT on god's green earth possesses a halfwit to attach himself to an idea like this. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:06 phf: and they are coming from the "formal verification" direction, via spark
mircea_popescu: "i'm with the flight research community" "do you fly ?" "oh, no. well... sometimes we do whippets."
mircea_popescu: "the flight research community is not flying, it is ABOUT flying."
asciilifeform: not mega-puzzler. consider the haskell people. 'hey this is a mechanical substitute for my brain! says on the box!!'
mircea_popescu: "but it doesn't work" "well yea but i got this power drill, will fix brain."
mircea_popescu: anyone seen frankenhooker ? i heartily recommend, exact rendition of us-born "STEM" idiot. the dude with the power drill.
mircea_popescu: doing some researches. and stuff.
asciilifeform: re drill, see also finale of film 'pi'.
phf: drill in pi is a legitimate device though. "don't want to think anymore"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ah lol institutionalized cuckoldry << Nah, pretty typical role for the young homosexual male. When the women got fat and the gays went mainstream became "fag hag" phenomenon.
BingoBoingo: <andreicon> i believe this is the usual behavior for browsers << Normal for good scrapers
andreicon: i don't believe burp does that iirc
andreicon: or other vuln scanning utilities i've used
asciilifeform: andreicon: if not, you then have an easy boobytrap for 'scanning utils i've used'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> lol i had nfi you could get these on microshit's hoster << Recent-ish thing
andreicon: i usually write my own, but i never thought to include a get to favicon
asciilifeform: andreicon: art of virusism is not for you then
andreicon: asciilifeform: i've been trying to set up a honeypot, i strive to be on the good side
phf: microsoft did a "pivot" under the indian guy and "embraced" "open source". they have an aws competitor, and a user space lunix and i don't know what else.
asciilifeform: phf: dun forget microshit wget!
asciilifeform: and open sores visualstudio!
asciilifeform: and c# on shithub.
phf: oh yeah, they have their own shell that's not a shell thing
phf: powershell?
asciilifeform: nah that's old
phf: well, no, but now it's all kinds of programmable. a sort of poor man's repl
asciilifeform: usg has , turns out, just this ONE trick -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-26#1632664 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".
asciilifeform: embrace&extinguish.
andreicon: windows ppl around me still prefer point and click
asciilifeform: aka taiwanization, etc
andreicon: and non replicable configs
andreicon: dunno, i tried windows 2016 datacenter with containers on azure
andreicon: pulled tianon/true
andreicon: ran into "Not a windows container"
andreicon: "screw this"
andreicon: went back to deb
phf: andreicon: now would probably be the right time to figure out deedbot's challenge/response dance for self-up, since you're now registered and in wot
BingoBoingo: !!up andreicon
deedbot: andreicon voiced for 30 minutes.
andreicon: you wanna hear me talkin or you wanna see me workin?
andreicon: !!down andreicon
andreicon: mkay
andreicon: took me a while
andreicon: i think imma keep the help page in a tab somewhere
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682471 << it all goes back to the following fundamental : is there a substance to things beyond the context, or isn't there ? (traditionally stated by ustardia as "nature-nurture conflict", which is nonsense). in any case -- can you take the tica out of the barn and the barn out of the tica ? or just one ? does the whore become ~substantially~ unwife through living in the brothel long enough ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:07 diana_coman: well, I can't see how slow accumulation of concession to shit leads to anything other than "chemically bonds to it" at some point
mircea_popescu: ? are wives condemned to bitter unpleasantness for simply being wives ?
mircea_popescu: that sort of thing.
andreicon: wives are just women if there's no husband
andreicon: wife is bitter cause the husband hit her
mircea_popescu: generally the republican outlook is substance before form (aka, idealism, aka exactly heine's "Herab auf Euer romantisches Haupt des Himmels modernste Blitze") whereas the imperial outlook is "context only" hence the pantsuit's demographic delusion re 2016 elections.
mircea_popescu: and since we're doing http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680957 , http://68.media.tumblr.com/4e54764eda25b324153d726c5dda127a/tumblr_on5ih8KSJK1r0e640o1_1280.jpg ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-09 15:56 phf: lotta "romanian" girls now, i.e. darker, gypsy looking ones. is that normal for romanian girls, or that sort of type is purely gypsies?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah; thing is rust eats out core until there's nothing left but that's not to say there was just powder to start with; or in any case, not in any other sense than "it's all powder"
mircea_popescu: but the point is for the core to not be rustable, if it's to be a core at all. otherwise what's core mean ? geometrically derived ?
diana_coman is all of a sudden curious if she's gypsy looking
diana_coman: yeah, meant it geometrically
diana_coman: should have said also: gypsy *enough* - because I certainly looked "Italian" to austrians and "gypsy" or ukrainian to Russians etc
mircea_popescu: you just about look ukrainian, yeah.
mircea_popescu: something like that, eastern polish, lithuanian.
diana_coman: eh, to Italians in the South I looked...German!
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: this sounds counterintuitive, but they're all talking of the same thing. no longer "ethnically determined state", as it happens, but that's happenstance.
mircea_popescu: could just as well have had that patchwork set instead of the current patchwork set.
diana_coman: maybe; the more general distinction that kind of held was southern/northern or eastern/western and moreover in the sense familiar /foreign/very foreign
diana_coman: nothing to do much with colour per se
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, re core: disease/old age can eat out a person's core in more than geometrical sense; do you mean that any person who didn't die core-intact basically had no proper core to speak of?
mircea_popescu: yes, i would say that to die senile is some kind of retroactive macula on one's intellectual history.
mircea_popescu: "leonidas died young, and when asked by someone why is he dying young, leonidas answer that he prefers the citizenry wonder why leonida is already dead than to bemoan leonidas still being there."
diana_coman: that much is clear re preference and all that; the retroactive part is at least...interesting if not iffy outright
mircea_popescu: and yet i'll remember the djb urchin cocksucker long after i've forgotten the djb mathematician. for that matter petain was a very respectable military officer. in world war i. possibly a higher caliber than anyone else in the ifeld then. and ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: antonescu's letter to the turpitidinous "traditional parties" even references some speech of his.
diana_coman: I'm really more exploring where this goes rather than having some solid thing on it either way
diana_coman: things done don't get undone anyway
diana_coman: forgotten yes, undone though no
mircea_popescu: i dunno. the fact is that the core rotting away results in the conclusion that "there was no core to begin with" rather than in the conclusion rthat "it had a core -- but then it ated it."
mircea_popescu: this is rather plainly retroactive.
diana_coman: but then it got eaten; failed to adapt basically, which in one way all death is
mircea_popescu: phf: for the longest time i thought that common lisp spec is a magic paper against modernization. << check it out, the apotropaion of lisp!
diana_coman: at the extreme that means then that well, it died therefore it never existed to start with
trinque: andreicon, going to want to get a permanent connection, and stop the join / part noise.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman and what are the dead but just a dream we dream.
mircea_popescu: i can see it going that far. all who died never existed to begin with, which is why there's so little interest youth derives from one's own personal history.
mircea_popescu: did washington "really exist" moreso than say "captain planet" ? in what "objective" ie non-wot-based approach.
mircea_popescu: far as you know, ted turner's brainchild is just as existent as von steuben's commander general.
diana_coman: quite; though youth simply does not have anything personal yet and certainly no history of its own
mircea_popescu: right.
andreicon: sorry, trinque, i'm still getting used to whatever irc clients are available. irssi ftw. also sleep > wake cycles
mircea_popescu: phf "they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols," is this direct centralism then, "we own the names in your machine -- not you" ? ☟︎
diana_coman: !!rate andreicon 1 actively searches for more exciting things in his life
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VcJZl/?raw=true
diana_coman: !!v B515549AC3C19A3367EF945A66360D8AED81117DFF7BC5BDCB573465ECD090DE
deedbot: diana_coman rated andreicon 1 << actively searches for more exciting things in his life
andreicon: :)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682504 << you should see diana's managers club :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 15:32 asciilifeform: 'i have 9000 layers of metatronics keeping track of own navel lint'
diana_coman: you know, I WAS thinking it sounded so much like planeshit...
mircea_popescu: the stories of people stuck dealing with the empire crapolade all sound alike, much like the stories of people stuck dealing with romania's 90s orphanages, or generally with the output of any other "realist" ideology.
diana_coman is looking for asciilifeform's "noshit.jpg" :p
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682561 << did this ever get resolved ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 16:02 phf: i don't understand the points that you're both trying to make
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682911 << quisling iirc also ! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 20:41 mircea_popescu: and yet i'll remember the djb urchin cocksucker long after i've forgotten the djb mathematician. for that matter petain was a very respectable military officer. in world war i. possibly a higher caliber than anyone else in the ifeld then. and ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682929 << absolutely that. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 . ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 21:07 mircea_popescu: phf "they made it an error to locally shadow cl package symbols," is this direct centralism then, "we own the names in your machine -- not you" ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
asciilifeform: it's the glue-with-broken-glass we discussed in 2014, etc
mircea_popescu: phf consider this : in many insects, as well as reptiles and other inferior (and therefore simpler) lifeforms, the male/female decision, or else the reproductor/drone decision (such as in bees) is not made genetically, like it is in mammals, but through some manner or other the egg comes with a lever settable in the field so to speak. now -- the male lizzard come out of egg that was cold in its youth ain't never going to be f
mircea_popescu: emale now, no matter what hot sauce you rub all over its scaly skin.
mircea_popescu: similarily, the child who was raised by wolves (as still practiced today, in india as well as maryland) will never learn proper speech.
mircea_popescu: there is a time when his neurons were making the connection-and-myelinization decision. that time came and went, a decision some way or another was made, and it is there for all time.
mircea_popescu: this is at the core of identity -- that if you spend your youth with idiots, whether you ~could have been~ smart or not, an idiot will you be.
mircea_popescu: and so in this sense, the problem of the reddit hacker isn't something he does. it's something he did.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aka bonsaikitten
mircea_popescu: forinstance.
mircea_popescu: the fact that you've not forcefed raw beef into your daughter when she was 12 is never something that she can fix ; gym or no gym, poledancing or no poledancing, her thigh bone will be 99.85% of average length as opposed to the maximal 103.557% her genotype might've allowed her fenotype to turn out.
asciilifeform: eh ilizarov can fix.
mircea_popescu: the guy who learned in earnest how to "empathy" has not merely lost his time in the pursuit of subliterate idiocy ; but actually invested that time into implanting harmful gargauni into his skull, much like someone who spends $100 to buy some radium which he then swallows isn't out merely the $100 he paid for the radium
mircea_popescu: but also the $100 mn to try and get it back out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dunno that anybody actually, in earnest, sits and 'learns to empathy', it's a signalling scamola
asciilifeform: and i'd predict that most of the perpetrators would stop overnight after the first educational public impalements began.
mircea_popescu: but that is the point : if you spend your time learning to signal instead of learning to do, you cheat yourself of a chance at life once the whole dumbery you were exchanging signals with goes away and you're left with just the trees, johnny.
asciilifeform: now this is so.
mircea_popescu: this is an early decision in human brain development, kid has to decide if he wants to learn to signal or if he wants to learn to do. age about 1.5 to 2 or so.
asciilifeform: 'how do i learn this?' 'start by going back 20yrs..'
mircea_popescu: some parents have the wit not to allow the kids the former. fewer kids -- also have it, somehow.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, given the chance, kid will grow into signaller.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the following point : girl confronted with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-02#1678254 and my plain and clear isntructions broke down in tears, because, in her own estimation, couldn't understand what she's supposed to do. because had no idea whatsoever how toilet works, imagined it has something to do with electricity, so of course it can't flush if there's no power. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-02 00:20 mircea_popescu: no power, no pumps (i live up on a hillside) and so i had the girls... fery water. from the pool, with ex-paper baskets repurposed as sacas, up the fucking stairs.
asciilifeform: holy mother of shit
mircea_popescu: the point isn't the mistake, but the fact that girl collapsed as a writhing, mucuous mess under the whip, because ~couldn't~.
mircea_popescu: now that's some fine, primo signalling work.
asciilifeform: i wouldn't keep one of these around. better a dog, a horse.
mircea_popescu: why ? perfectly fine girl.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: every one of these thrown rocks, flying through the air propelled by the historical power of their ancestor's accumulated wealth (aka, wisdom and work) will hit the wall somewhere. this was her somewhere. not that different from all the others.
asciilifeform: the sheer lifelong complete absence of curiosity, needed to land on the fucking throne N times a day and never look for the mains plug
asciilifeform: if i were crashed on the proverbial starvation island with this animal and a dog, i would eat her first , before the dog
mircea_popescu: but this is not so. let's jointly revisit http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682748 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 19:00 mircea_popescu: there's a dazzling depth to these pointless shits, which is why the whole "oh i wonder why ancient people didn't spend more time thinking -- i could derive all of euclid in an evening" is so amusing.
asciilifeform: what was she thinking about instead ? watching own hair grow in the mirror ?
mircea_popescu: curious about the wrong things with very definitely the wrong people.
mircea_popescu: what, the per-acre curiosity secreted by javascript programmer is not substantially different from yours or mine, is it now. andreicon is here because he wanted what was it, a more exciting os ?
mircea_popescu: if my os came up with a way to be exciting i'd probably buy a flamethrower the same day.
asciilifeform: even the lowest javascript monkey has, say, awareness of the fact that his shitter is not plugged into the mains. and can hang a picture, change a filter, etc
mircea_popescu: ironically, the shitter actually is plugged into the mains. water dun go uphill by itself.
mircea_popescu: shittoon -- in one strand, alfie.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mine is, theoretically, also, shit dun go uphill either.
asciilifeform: but this is a slide.
mircea_popescu: it's just once removed.
asciilifeform: throne per se not electrified.
asciilifeform: everything is everything else once-removed, lol.
mircea_popescu: see, the naive has the advantage of a very distant bird's eye
mircea_popescu: this ~is~ an advantage.
asciilifeform: except that it ain't
asciilifeform: give 0 leverage.
andreicon: mine has poop sensors, i am a very different signaller
asciilifeform: just writhing mess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no leverage gives itslef like a slut in marriage. for it to give -- you gotta use. it can be used, i'm a fine example of using it.
asciilifeform: writhing mess is never > havingaclue
andreicon: i'm not a good example, i'm in the right place for the wrong reasons
asciilifeform: andreicon: how do you know you're 'in the right place', gotta ask
asciilifeform: maybe right place is 3 doors down
andreicon: i like what i'm reading, it's keeping me entertained, curious
andreicon: i'm not exactly sure whether i'm supposed to intervene or just observe
shinohai: andreicon: Log reading is highly recommended
andreicon: but i take pride in being an above-average thinker so i'm sure i'm in the right place. just don't know why until i read the 22mn lines of logs
shinohai: Welcome to boot camp, we've all been there ....
andreicon: thanks for the warm welcome
shinohai: :D
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682694 << incidentally americans for some reason luvvv building these micro-bedroom things. the room where asciilifeform has bed is more or less JUST big enough to construct the frame ( carried in, yes, in pieces ) inside, and that's mostly it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 18:40 mircea_popescu: http://68.media.tumblr.com/2fc0db5e94b5ec60a1a6cf24f2b64ae7/tumblr_o5k91cVFvc1tgs3fno1_1280.png << this incidentally is a fine example of what i mean by http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-02#1664458 : bed-door clearance ? exactly enough to fit a standing chick, if were thin, AND NO MORE.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in jail, http://68.media.tumblr.com/0b5815533f7fc02d1fd8f5b646c88d36/tumblr_n5vfgyIji71sfxd6jo1_500.gif
andreicon: asciilifeform: that's because they love their walk-in dressing rooms which take space, you know?
asciilifeform: andreicon: this place dun have one of those tho
mircea_popescu: possibly because harder to fall out of bed if there's nowhere to fall to ?
asciilifeform: many lulz re american houses, other than the well-known fact of their being made from cardboard. for instance, most of one tends to be taken up by the 'living room', which in turn is rendered ~useless because it has NO AIRLOCK ( try and put electronics in there, thermal shock, rain )
mircea_popescu: !?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean no airlock\
asciilifeform: no buffer zone with 2nd door , keeping rain & wind out
asciilifeform: just this 1 door. as if year were 1700.
mircea_popescu: opens right out into the street ?
asciilifeform: aha!!
mircea_popescu: dude what has happened to that place, i was there not so long ago.
andreicon: they started building them like that over here too
andreicon: it's just a lot cheaper
mircea_popescu: so if im in the livingroom with say stoya going on the main screen and a coupla girls on the couch, discussing things right ? and there's a knock oin the door, and i send one to see who's there, and she goes and opesn the door... the neighbour now sees my other girl's tits, stoya and my pubic hair ?
asciilifeform: absolutely.
mircea_popescu: who wants this ?!
asciilifeform: afaik nobody
asciilifeform: they get it anyway.
asciilifeform: i've been to 'rich' houses. no airlock either.
andreicon: did americans stop building their own houses?
asciilifeform: unless built pre-1980s
mircea_popescu: afaik they made these built in for 1970s style matchbox 500sqft soviet flats.
asciilifeform: flats, funnily, suffer less from this. they get intrinsic airlock of the hallway.
mircea_popescu: where both a) fucker, NO SPACE and b) airlock is actually stairwell, shut it excuses are available.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ya but had it anyways!
mircea_popescu: this soviet soyuz 2.0 is really a very shitty remake.
asciilifeform: i also suspect that 'no airlocks' is a usg 'helpful suggestion' to architects -- after all , airlock complicates the work of the bust-in-the-night-under-colour-of-law folx
asciilifeform: ... they'd have to go through window. might, ohnoez, cut a finger.
mircea_popescu: why can';t they go through the hallway lol
andreicon: 2 doors, awkward position
mircea_popescu: put steel doors on each end and have a proper medieval style spitroasting
asciilifeform: 2nd door gives designated victim time to take aim
andreicon: over the pond, to the east, we build our own airlocks: http://static4.libertatea.ro/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/12654617_969983439759240_8044084609941868473_n.jpg
mircea_popescu: ahahaha
asciilifeform: andreicon: that's pathetic
asciilifeform: knock out 1, other falls off immediately
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform understand, it's an outside view.
asciilifeform: airlock rightfully consists of 2 iron doors that 1) swing in opposite directions 2) cannot both open at once
mircea_popescu: it's like a entry with an aluminum siding condom on top
asciilifeform: what's the use?
mircea_popescu: use ? what use.
andreicon: its to prevent draft
andreicon: romanians would rather boil than feel a gust of wind
andreicon: idk, it's their way of staying healthy i guess
mircea_popescu: the other bizare part with houses is this thing whereby the door opens into the street. wouldn't it be logical to have the door open into the "back" garden ?
asciilifeform: typically there's 1 of those also
mircea_popescu: yes but used backwards. let the visiting sluts take their clothes off in front of the house, shimmy naked to the pool area behind the house, shower there and ~maybe~ if not used in the field that day be allowed into the actual house.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this "go through house to get to backyard"
asciilifeform: same reason as why no airlock.
mircea_popescu: no visiting sluts ?
asciilifeform: they... 'like' surprises, apparently
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Your biggest fan girl is missing https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/6n3h78/tantrum_v_tantrum_opposition_to_lukejrxt_coin/
mircea_popescu: who ?
shinohai: Excellent piece btw BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: o look, reddit still sorta-exists.
mircea_popescu: we did it diggit!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-13#1682412 << fun fact : had theo hung on to thje bitcoin instead of "investing" it into whatever it is he [thinks] he;'s doing, he'd have more fiat-accounted added value today than he actually has. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-13 14:33 andreicon: openbsd led to mircea popescu donation 20k
shinohai: "You're in for a treat if you haven't read yet any 'works' by MP of MPOE/MPEX fame and his #bitcoin-assets associates. " <<< Well THIS guy is just up-to-date isn't he!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> who ? << The sciencehatesyou chick
mircea_popescu: he's not produced enough in the intervening years to keep up with tmsr's coin.
mircea_popescu: shinohai hey, i also only read newspapers after a year-ish maceration.
shinohai: The difference being you maceration results in finely fermented items fit for consumption.
andreicon: mircea_popescu: had he exchanged donated btc, he did so to pay older debt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc theo de raadt turned to rms-like 'human mushroom' thing looong ago
asciilifeform: surrounded by hannoboecks, they do the talking, the 'investing' etc.
mircea_popescu: shinohai there is that andreicon there is that. asciilifeform there is that.
mircea_popescu: im getting cards printed.
asciilifeform: betcha if you had him airlifted and put in a room and asked, he genuinely never heard of mircea_popescu , or bitcoin, or news from past decade.
mircea_popescu: that inept "permitting fungus to grow on you" helpers bs though... i have no idea what they're thinking.
mircea_popescu: trump you could say he's senile, or had no choice. but linus fucking had plenty of choice, and chose wrong.
asciilifeform: ... or of anything since he inhaled the spores.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, we talked.
asciilifeform: lolsrsly!? what did he say
asciilifeform: 'oops' ?
mircea_popescu: ah, not after. before.
asciilifeform: aah
mircea_popescu: i can dig it out if you're particularly curious.
asciilifeform curious
mircea_popescu: be a while, it's been years and besides, email.
andreicon: so jan 2014 btc was like 750-1000. today that would've amounted to ~60 grand
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/kzhwj/?raw=true
asciilifeform: 'To maintain transparency, I am not a OpenBSD Foundation director, so you'd have to ask them... Encouragingly, I have heard discussion about some policy for public recognition of large donations, and I suspect that would handily cross the threshold' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: i dunno what they keep saying themselves, but it all reduces to "And furthermore, infestation is fine and lice are my friends"
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu knew that the btc would go into the hands of a monkey?! before sending?!
mircea_popescu: yes ?
asciilifeform: but wai
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu has more btc than sense.
andreicon: bcoz routers and bgp
mircea_popescu: alternatively, mircea_popescu is good at what he does ; wheres the oposition, not.
mircea_popescu: one or the other.
mircea_popescu: (for bonus lulz, compare and contrast with the rogerzus ver blowing up the cover of blockchain.info to try and recoup a half bitcoin or some shit. bassically contemporaneous events, and yet at least headcount reddit still thought ver actually has anything to do with bitcoin.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aaaand if you wish to be REALLY rattled in that vein, compare and contrast with mp giving random "bitcoin banker" wanna-bes coupla HUNDRED btc just so they can't keep the pretense up any further.
mircea_popescu: fortunately for me, the advanced kako-nubbins logics of 2016 hadn't yet arrived on the scene back in 2012. somehow.
asciilifeform: was i alive for that one..?
mircea_popescu: nope.
mircea_popescu: and what a riotous time it was!
asciilifeform: didntthinkso
mircea_popescu: i think BingoBoingo might have been ; and had his private chuckles hence.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was silently sweating over room full of fpga in those dayz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, none of this is anything compared to the literal tens of thousands of btc destroyed in the first attack upon the fledging currency. a bloody victory.
asciilifeform: the 0.8 fork ?
mircea_popescu: nah. was a purely financial event. btc was supposed to crash, except a lot of pressure unwound through mpoe options and the whole thing fizzled.
asciilifeform: the mtgox penny thing ?
mircea_popescu: nope.
asciilifeform: незримого фронта солдаты lol
mircea_popescu: there have been a lot of "tape painting by fake news" events like that. mtgox printing 0's, pirate going on about how "he's going to crash btc", etc.
mircea_popescu: none of these counted for much in rpactice, for the obvious reason : washington post is not powerful.
mircea_popescu: anyway, was early summer 2013 if memory serves. the whole thing's on the books.
mircea_popescu: (unlike washpo, mp is actually powerful even in the purely signalling sense, which is why my "stop buying" worked, and cheaply, and well.)
asciilifeform: in what sense were the 'tens of thousands btc' destroyed btw ? went to enemy ?
andreicon: more likely went to unowned addressed, burnt
mircea_popescu: not specifically, "went into weak hands" i guess would be the best way to put it.
mircea_popescu: there's this ancient piece by hanbot about the structual problems of giving idiots money.
asciilifeform: that was 1st hanbot thing asciilifeform read !
asciilifeform: mega-article
mircea_popescu: notbad huh.
asciilifeform: the one where 'created a high-powered idiot, who can wreck exchange rates, create pyramids, etc' or how it went.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in something liek that sense destroyed, now the poor darlings have to work their way out of idiotlandia all over again.
mircea_popescu: yes that one. the power to misallocate capital.
andreicon: do share if you have link, pls
mircea_popescu: give a million idiots a trillion dollars so they build half million pizzerias and spend the rest of their short unhappy lives whining about the high prices of flour, the horrible traffic and the absent custom.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> asciilifeform aaaand if you wish to be REALLY rattled in that vein, compare and contrast with mp giving random "bitcoin banker" wanna-bes coupla HUNDRED btc just so they can't keep the pretense up any further. << aha. scammers abound.
shinohai thought about this piece when Coinbase recently asked for more VC $$$but couldn't turn it up .....
mircea_popescu: o right, mod6 WAS there iirc. recall harnett, rosenfeld & friends ? ☟︎
mod6: oh ofc.
whaack: What would have been bad with btc sitting at "too high" a price? Is it that a herd of people trying to get as many coins to hold from these "weak hands" would have bought in at a higher price than needed, thus making any concerted effort to raise the price in the long term much more difficult?
hanbot: andreicon> do share if you have link, pls >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=106391.msg1167765 ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: whaack artificially high prices are a fine way to wreck a symbol. consider how torpedoes work (they don't push at the ship, but create a vacuum. it then gets filled). consider also the parable of the walmart giant and the neighbourhood chair.
asciilifeform: ^ or how being dropped from 7th floor window, works.
mircea_popescu: or that.
asciilifeform lolling over usg 'mixer' ads on current-day tardstalk behind link
mircea_popescu: are they tor-based ?
asciilifeform: dunno, can't be arsed
mircea_popescu: i should hope ssl everywhere.
whaack is not familiar with the walmart parable
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-30#938314 << oddly the oldest reference is not the direct item. wtf happened here. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-11-30 06:31 mircea_popescu: like the stuff discussed above re usg agency redhat, fuycking up linux. EXACTLY the stiuation of the giant ruining a chair.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-november-2014-statement/#selection-649.0-737.1
mircea_popescu: oh! tyvm/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/?date=22-11-2014#931333 << story.
mircea_popescu: dude reading old logs is such a treat.
andreicon: hanbot: thank you. mircea_popescu: oh, it is. especially if they're yours.
andreicon: "Alternatively it is always easier to just not like me. You will lose money." << this is gold
andreicon: so many people getting doxxed on btctalk
andreicon: that site is gonna go down may 2018
shinohai: as opposed to going down ~3-4 times a month as it does already?
mircea_popescu: the bot autoarchives links anywya
mircea_popescu: and i think also saves local copies. maybe. does it ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai was it yours or Framedragger 's ?
shinohai: Framedragger 's I think.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger do me the favour and check if scriba has somewhere on disk a copy of the above tardstalk link content saved ? ☟︎
andreicon: shinohai: may 2018 some new privacy reform happens in europe, might hinder their activity
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't expect anyone gives much of a shit about merkel and may's "europe"
andreicon: me neither, but their hosting company or isp might
mircea_popescu: their role is strictly in organizing the young female swede fucklines, keep them nude and lubricated. no more.\
shinohai: Certainly not thermos, champion of tardstalk free speech! (unless you are friends w/ mircea_popescu )
mircea_popescu: besides, it runs on all-new software already!
mircea_popescu: shinohai speaking of which, they have this bridge here. it was going to will have been finished by mid april.
andreicon: looks like the same software softpedia runs
mircea_popescu: adlai marquardt (aka http://trilema.com/2012/scammer-tag-nefario-theymos-others-known-and-unknown/ ) is chiefly famous for having hired some friends and paid them however many millions from donations to "make a better forum software".
mircea_popescu: was delivered exactly like you'd expect.