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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dungetit, what's lower than 'it's a miner^H^H^Hcloud^H^Hpetroladditive^H^Hdentists-don't-want-you-to-know' ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: BFL wasn't cloud yet
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: speaking of garza's 'hashlets' thing
BingoBoingo: GAW was always cloud where customer is promised they never touch any object
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: always? cuz i definitely recall 'any day nao you will see'em in lolmart shelves'
asciilifeform: started out as quasi-physical totem of some kind
BingoBoingo: Walmart was their altcoin
BingoBoingo: These details in their marketing print blurred together for their customers too
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i for one can't think of who exactly lies in bellcurve below folx who will sign up for 'pay now, see wtf it is later'
BingoBoingo: Largely soulless automatons
BingoBoingo: There are now fans lined up pulling air over the Rockchips
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja remember to take photo ?
BingoBoingo: I did not take photo, I can run back and grab one
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dun have to be right now, can go in the morning. and when you do, also plz retrieve the 2 retired usb stix from dulap, they've been zero'd
asciilifeform: ( interestingly -- wrote all blox without even 1 eggog )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: but if you're feeling energetic, why not go nao.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/fanfront.jpg and http://aaronrogier.net/fanback.jpg Please gpggram a destination for the sticks
mod6: nice fans BingoBoingo!
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849960 << agreed. it may need to come after the near-term and still elusive goal of cleaving the essential from the cruft in the portage tree. there is a shocking amount of state in portage strewn about the system, in /etc, in /usr/portage, in /var/db/pkg ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-12 14:18 asciilifeform: btw mircea_popescu reminds me , trinque : here's an idea, let's banish the 'root certs' and any systemwide sslism from cuntoo. if user demands it , let him install locally.
trinque: and this is just the broad overview. in /usr/portage/profile there's what, tens of layers of dependency nesting. in some cases the children override the parent; in others they appear to append
trinque: work carries on, just wanted to give word from the mineshaft
trinque has scripts in progress to flatten the profile tree into a single profile, where it can be inspected and therefore judged.
trinque: and it's plainly obvious by now that the kind of autistic mind that produces these tangled trees does so to attempt to exhaust the judging eye
trinque: "if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
trinque: aaand just built a working nano from the ebuild in /cuntoo/portage, having no other ebuild repositories in system, and no barfs from emerge.
trinque: /cuntoo/portage weighs 26M right now, compared to /usr/portage weighing 704M
trinque: not only was there /etc/portage/repos.conf to define repositories, but also /usr/share/portage/config/repos.conf, and apparently creating one in /etc does not knock out the defaults in /usr
trinque: rationale behind bothering with the repository system is to let the legacy gentoo ebuild repository coexist with the vtronic repository, in exactly the same way as "overlays" do now with the gentoo repo
trinque: can then pluck ebuilds from their tree as needed, produce a vpatch, and include in the cuntoo repo
trinque zaps glsa and news from metadata dir, shaves to 13M
diana_coman: trinque, that sounds great!
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, fans of rockchip, eh? looks good
trinque: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/qJ69u/?raw=true << current output of emerge -v @world . few things yet jacked in the portage profile, which sets/unsets things like that userland_GNU use flag.
trinque: I wager this is because the item in profile that sets IUSE ought to have overridden instead of appended.
trinque: diana_coman: thanks! coming along, squealing in protest though it does.
trinque: but the deps are all lined up there; that's the whole system. when it rebuilds itself, done.
diana_coman: last time I tried to figure out exactly what is what and where re portage I ran out of time to disentangle the mess, so I'll be very happy indeed to not have to go back to that
trinque: I'll be thrilled when I watch emerge build someone's vmerge, and then remove itself as last act.
trinque: but this hill will do for tonight.
trinque to bed
deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/ << Ossasepia - SMG.Comms Implementation - Chapter 1
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850292 << because nobody fucking considered the matter before. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 05:07 trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-12#1849960 << agreed. it may need to come after the near-term and still elusive goal of cleaving the essential from the cruft in the portage tree. there is a shocking amount of state in portage strewn about the system, in /etc, in /usr/portage, in /var/db/pkg
mircea_popescu: the problem with socialists is and remains http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-25#1818526 ; they'll always find something "that doesn't exist" to dump into, and in the case of computer systems it generally is state. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-25 04:04 mircea_popescu: yes. democracy fails to account externalities as a matter of course. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783773 thread
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << heh. i bet it "works", too. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 05:15 trinque: "if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
mircea_popescu: sleep tight!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely possible you're the first one to ever put udp through gnat.sockets.
diana_coman: not impossible, huh
diana_coman: tcp good, udp bad!!
mircea_popescu: diana_coman http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/#selection-111.394-111.513 << this'll have to change though, there's no way it can work out like that
diana_coman: as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
mircea_popescu: anyway, reading through this, i suspect ada threading may turn out to be a pleasure.
diana_coman: honestly it *seems* to me that's the case, yes; but I'm still trying to wrap my head around it
diana_coman: re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: anywya, great reads this morning! the republic prevails!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850315 << pretty neat diana_coman ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 11:06 deedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/ << Ossasepia - SMG.Comms Implementation - Chapter 1
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850323 << i have a proggy, but it dun seem like i ever published the item, so diana_coman will have to count as 1st ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 12:31 mircea_popescu: diana_coman entirely possible you're the first one to ever put udp through gnat.sockets.
diana_coman: cheers asciilifeform !
diana_coman: and ... HA! why not publish!!
asciilifeform: it was lame
asciilifeform: ( and i didn't get a chance to finish the whole thing, was right when i picked up ffa )
diana_coman: also: I'm open to any corrections to that thing there, including any slamming of the sort "this is horrible, wtf, do it THIS way!!"
asciilifeform: i've a half-written 'g' (if anyone recalls what that was) , used adasockets
diana_coman: not gnat.sockets?
asciilifeform: err
asciilifeform: gnatsockets
asciilifeform: i also had a variant that used c imports
diana_coman: I was just thinking I might have missed something crucial there
asciilifeform: diana_coman: did you ever see the 'nqb' item asciilifeform posted in '17 ? had various imho good examples of operations on streams
diana_coman: I recall a link to examples in ada; fwiw I think they are even gone from that link at least; was that "nqb"?
asciilifeform: i'ma have to repost, 1s
asciilifeform: oh nm, it's still alive, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:28 asciilifeform: whaack: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/horse.tar.gz
diana_coman: got it; will re-read (I do think I had a quick look at it at that time but it didn't stick)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun see anything obviously ugly in your example, btw
diana_coman: thanks for looking!
asciilifeform: admittedly asciilifeform just woke up and only gave it 1 look thus far
asciilifeform: and without tea
diana_coman awaits for the "brb, tea"
asciilifeform: https://www.adacore.com/gems/gem-140-bridging-the-endianness-gap << possibly useful item re endianism
diana_coman: I've found that and gave it a first pass but I didn't quite see how to use it for my problem; it's on the list of refs at any rate, so I'll get to re-read it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently i am lacking a bigendian iron (or a gnat for such) so never got a chance to truly and properly test endianism conversion (as for ffa, it is endian-insensitive, but this is simple where there is no networking)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha; re-reading that thing - I guess the Scalar_Storage_Order looks promising, I'll dig a bit deeper into it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: re streams, you may find the 'buf_streams' item in horse.tar.gz interesting
diana_coman: will look
asciilifeform: ( what it was, was simply a btc block and tx reader, i fed an entire noad's 'dumpblock' chain into it, plus a buncha randomly bitflipped mutilations, behaved correctly )
asciilifeform: i then wrote the mmap thing, with aim to bake the 'reads and stores blox , then O(1) tx retrieval' demo, but never got a chance to glue the two together
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666647 << subj ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 19:40 asciilifeform: mod6, phf , et al : http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/ada/horsecocks.tar.gz << i dun recall posting this before, so here it will live, for nao : unofficial release of mmaptron
asciilifeform: this is not directly relevant to diana_coman's application tho
asciilifeform: hmm, loox like i ~did~ glue'em, but the glued model definitely not ready for primetime.
asciilifeform has reached the mircea_popescu level of amnesia where 'hmm did i make this and it is on hdd somewhere or did i only want to'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-10#1624240 << orig thread, re subj, for longterm ref. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-10 16:57 asciilifeform: btw i will also put down in the log, one very simple possible algorithm for a 'txidx-fs' :
asciilifeform: ^ with entire algo.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850300 << this is pretty neat. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 06:06 trinque: /cuntoo/portage weighs 26M right now, compared to /usr/portage weighing 704M
asciilifeform bbl,tea
phf: diana_coman: hey, the smg.comms genesis sig link is not resolving
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 6 days, 10 hours, and 44 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848612 << was at sea, but i was also keeping up with the logs (much better in flight entertainment!), i'll take the pill, but not sure i'll have the immediate use for it beyond ogling. i'm having a hard time recreating even the max-heathen environment that will simply reproduce the google stack as is ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 04:08 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf lemme know if you want the magic pill recipe + patched flashrom util for c101pa .
asciilifeform: phf: this was on the off chance that you had a working replacement rom image. ( if you don't yet -- thing won't do you much good atm )
asciilifeform: phf: fwiw i do not yet have a working heathen toolchain ( other than what shipped on the box ) either
asciilifeform: the only pc-side tool in the setup is (patched) flashrom
phf: diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=smg-comms and http://btcbase.org/patches/smg_comms_genesis (i found the sig in /vpatches/)
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 33 minutes ago: <lobbes_phone> next time you're in the btcbase/patches boiler room, plox to add http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2018/09/logbot_command_router_python-genesis/ to 'bot' section?
phf: !!key lobbes
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/3320BCA7825525AD077203C331F36D29A4D93652.asc
phf: lobbes: added
asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UJFQW/?raw=true
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: phf: saw anyffing interesting on your voyage ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850290 << loox good, for nao ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 01:29 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/fanfront.jpg and http://aaronrogier.net/fanback.jpg Please gpggram a destination for the sticks
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850328 << it is pretty neat, e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-06#1446883 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 12:37 mircea_popescu: anyway, reading through this, i suspect ada threading may turn out to be a pleasure.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-06 15:49 asciilifeform: ada tasks, afaik, is the only sane implementation of parallelism where you ~never~ specify explicit thread
asciilifeform: diana_coman: and incidentally ( as you prolly already discovered ) you can keep the restrictive flags, on the subset of the coad that doesn't use tasking. ( and this applies in general )
asciilifeform: ditto streams
asciilifeform: the only lang feature that gets in the way of this partitioning is 'generics', but iirc diana_coman did not use these anywhere
asciilifeform: ( i had'em in the 1st drafts of ffa, then abolished , they interfere with proper compartmentalization )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: incidentally, i was initially quite unsure re the wisdom of using the streams. but they are part of the standard and do appear to work as described. however for your application it isn't even clear to me that you need'em , could simply call out to unix's socket routine and get octet array of fixed length (e.g. 512byte) to work on.
asciilifeform: tcp is very difficult to sanely work with without a stream abstraction, but udp -- trivial.
asciilifeform: so in this model you'd have 2 routines, 1 which takes a port, listens on it, and comes back 'someday' with a 512byte buffer fulla packet and the originator ip ; and another that eats a 512byte buffer and a dest ip, and returns immediately.
asciilifeform: *portnum
asciilifeform: then again if you write 'own gnatsockets' you would have to do what i did for 'horsecocks' mmap system and actually handle all possible unix eggogs (granted there are not many of these for udp)
asciilifeform: ( the appeal of 'own gnatsockets' is similar to that of what i did with mmap : adacore's implementation is quite obese on acct of handling winblowz and other broken os )
asciilifeform: but nao that i think about it, iirc mircea_popescu maintains currently a mswin eulora client, so you might be stuck with gnat's.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850298 << i'll add to this, that i've been to hobo encampments and found them to be... ~substantially~ cleaner and better organized than the 'open sores' atrocities. i suspect that the shitgnomatic level of horror is only found in dilapidated third world psych wards where inmates live in own shit. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 05:15 trinque: "if my room is packed with cum socks and mcdonalds bags, dad will be too ashamed to come find me and kick my ass"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850327 >> they are, see e.g. http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L43 example ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 12:37 diana_coman: as I was writing that I was thinking that an unchecked.conversion for the whole thing might work - provided arrays are indeed stored as one would expect in a continuous space
asciilifeform: ( tho naturally you won't use ada String for arbitrary octetolade. but same principle. )
asciilifeform: ( tho will add, ada Strings actually work with arbitrary garbage, given as they do not use the idiot c 'null termination' paradigm )
asciilifeform: to round out thread, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850330 << in my orig udp attempt, i dispensed with the traditional 'gotta be in network byte order (tm)' doctrine, in favour of 'if packet doesn't pass muster, THEN flip the endianism and try again 1ce' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 12:38 diana_coman: re unchecked.conversion - there is still the issue of flipping the bytes though; this needs more thinking
asciilifeform: ( afaik udp doesn't give guarantees of integrity, at least on all systems, so you're stuck with embedding checksum even if you weren't doing crypto authentications )
asciilifeform: ( imho the tradition where 'just about errybody's little endian, but we spend cpu and flip bytes erry time we send something because in 1989 somebody had a pdp' is asinine )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ty
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 42 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/UJFQW/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is indeed, fire at will
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
diana_coman: phf, fixed link and thank you!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mod6 , ben_vulpes : ordered ! 308.28 orcbux ( 62.18 of'em orc fee, 37.21 -- postage, the rest -- 8 drives and pack of 20 adhesive hedgehogs )
BingoBoingo: tyvm
asciilifeform: supposedly will arrive by end of next wk ( in practice, whoknows, iirc the last shot was 1 week of postage and 5 of orc customs )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I'm also still unsure *why* exactly would I need streams; I can see it perhaps on client side if one wants to implement streams on top of udp basically to add checks/re-send or whatever they want to do but that is no concern of the protocol itself
asciilifeform: diana_coman: currently you're only stuck with streams on acct of gnatsockets peculiar design
asciilifeform: sorta like the idjicy of gnat's builtin unix cmdline handling
asciilifeform: it presumes that you want unbounded bags of octets
diana_coman: hm, so basically there might be something to "only tcp on gnat.sockets" after all since they baked this assumption in the...implementation of gnat.sockets themselves??
diana_coman: ugh
asciilifeform: they baked this sad into file i/o also ( hence how it shows up in 'horsecocks' )
diana_coman: supporting windows in not a requirement; whoever wants to support it is free to make their own implementation of the protocol anyways
asciilifeform: but for certain things 'stream' is actually the correct abstraction (e.g. the variable-length tx in classical btc block)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: then you may want to wrap unix recv() as i described ( can use my mmap example )
diana_coman: I certainly have to consider that option too if all that gnat.sockets buys me is some bloat + streams
asciilifeform: imho there's no particular shame in wrapping an os call that doesn't have possibility of overflows
asciilifeform: ( you let it emit precisely e.g. 512byte into a preallocated buffer that never moves ; the ip it came from, into a 32bit , and that's it )
asciilifeform: ditto for send()
diana_coman: sounds very, very appealing to be honest
diana_coman goes to read some more
asciilifeform: it's how i did the cmdline thing ( earlier linked )
asciilifeform: nao, you'll prolly want to queue the incomings, but imho thats outside the scope of this thread
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: re: cutting down on stale time at customs http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/S3auq/?raw=true
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: got it, loox same as last time.
BingoBoingo: Aite
asciilifeform: diana_coman: keep in mind that udp packets can get arbitrarily reordered in flight.
asciilifeform: and sometimes lost entirely. but you prolly knew this.
mircea_popescu: omg it's a phf!
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu
phf: a standin for both pdfs and phds
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: and , lol, pdp, pde...
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850371 << mine is eumnesia! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 13:38 asciilifeform has reached the mircea_popescu level of amnesia where 'hmm did i make this and it is on hdd somewhere or did i only want to'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how did erdos put it, 'first you forget to unzip after piss, then to unzip ~before~, and only ~then~ your own theorems'
asciilifeform: *zip after
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850418 << yes, none of that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:30 asciilifeform: ( imho the tradition where 'just about errybody's little endian, but we spend cpu and flip bytes erry time we send something because in 1989 somebody had a pdp' is asinine )
mircea_popescu: iirc we even had a discussion re standardizing a byte order ; though from the fact that i don't recall the results i take it i got shown broken cats.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the beauty is that there's no actual need to standardize one.
mircea_popescu: i suppose.
asciilifeform: ( given as you never operate on anyffing that came down the wire without passing checksum )
asciilifeform: and btw for so long as one either a) refrains from bytewise addressing, period or b) addresses bytes of a word via b0 := W and 0xFF, b1 := shr(W, 8) and 0xFF, b2 := shr(W, 16) and 0xFF , ... , etc -- you dun create endianism problem.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch11_tuning_and_api/tree/ffa/libffa/fz_io.adb#L59 << example of endian-insensitive routine.
asciilifeform: observe that 'address bytes only via word slides' worx even if you shat on one endianism and ate on other.
asciilifeform: ( why? i'ma leave as exercise for reader ! )
mircea_popescu: byte-only is prolly sane anyway
asciilifeform: this being said, still gotta come up with bigendian box to test with at some point ( iirc trinque had one somewhere, but afaik no gnat for it yet )
trinque has piles and piles of g4 and several g5
trinque: don't have a gnat built for them yet
phf: asciilifeform: i have a bigendian box and i also tested at least one call for bigendian test on it. i think it was diana_coman's keccak though
asciilifeform: phf: which gnat didja use
asciilifeform: ( imho what we need is the canonical ave1 gnat, on bigendian )
phf: this was pre ave1 work
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: but since phf has a bigendian gnat, could theoretically build ave1's
asciilifeform: ( good chance to test just how portable is the latter )
asciilifeform: at some point i'd like to get a bigendian box of some description into pizarro , for such work
phf: theoretically, i think it was whatever gnat came with openbsd packages, since that was easiest thing to spin up on the machine in question.
asciilifeform: ( if one can be found that fits 'in pocket' )
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850474 -> indeed it was ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 18:09 phf: asciilifeform: i have a bigendian box and i also tested at least one call for bigendian test on it. i think it was diana_coman's keccak though
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850448 -> yes, unreliable but that's not the concern at this level ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 16:55 asciilifeform: diana_coman: keep in mind that udp packets can get arbitrarily reordered in flight.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850460 -> sounds good; glad I published this stuff now rather than later! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 17:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850418 << yes, none of that.
asciilifeform: wb danielpbarron
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the simplest way i thought of to finesse the reordering thing is simply to run synchronously ( i.e. at no point does sender send a new packet unless old one replied; if there's no reply, sender retries a certain # of times, and if still silence, declares the connection broken )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Package is in the mail
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo !
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if one receives an old (i.e. not currently expected ) packet ( e.g. straggler from a previous round ) it gets rejected in the same way as any other rubbish.
asciilifeform: this way you also dun have to concern with 'packet congestion', a perennial plague of tcpdom
asciilifeform: the only adjustable knob becomes , how long to wait for an expected reply before pronouncing the connection 'dead', and that's it
asciilifeform: ( a reply here, in turn, is not the idjit tcp 'ack', but a packet containing hash(currentsecretsalt + prevpacket) + cipherola-to-current-key , i.e. can only have been generated by the box on the other end, and can only be authenticated by yours
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: ideally these will not be distinguishable by any third party from any other type of packet.
asciilifeform: ( anybody lacking the secretsalt and currentkey, sees simply 512byte of rng )
asciilifeform: the salt, goes in the cipherola payload, so gets switched out in erry round. ( given as you have a trng, this is not an exorbitant entropy expense )
asciilifeform: anyway there is prolly >1 sane way to do this.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it might help to read the protocol perhaps?
diana_coman: at any rate, from server's point of view, it doesn't care - it will answer to legitimate messages and that is that; it's more of a client concern and up to them how they handle that i.e. indeed pretty much how long they wait/when do they consider server unreachable and what they do
asciilifeform: diana_coman: asciilifeform forgot that you already had the protocol. then you do not need any of this, indeed.
asciilifeform: ( item was copied from asciilifeform's older and not specifically related notes re 'g' , wanted to put in l0gz. )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: found it, http://ossasepia.com/2018/04/17/rfc-euloras-communication-protocol-eucomms/ , aite
asciilifeform: i'ma stfu at this point, as i promised to mircea_popescu not to interfere in euloric matters. will answer q strictly re gnatology, if diana_coman runs into any puzzlers.
asciilifeform: salam Mocky
asciilifeform: Mocky: how's your studies going ?
Mocky: slow start, but i think i'm going to like arabic
Mocky: i already like that there's no capitalization. i need to find a native speaker
asciilifeform: Mocky: very difficult ( at least i found ) to grasp the phonology without a live speaker.
BingoBoingo: Mocky: What you need is a live speaker that is also interesting to the eyes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's algo, aha
BingoBoingo: Also learned experience.
asciilifeform doesn't doubt that it worx
BingoBoingo: Brian in the head dun want to work to decode shit the boys say.
BingoBoingo: But if the speaker's got tits, Brian in the head is willing to work a bit.
Mocky: seems like there are a lot of dialects from gulf to african
BingoBoingo: Brian in the head wants to end conversations with the boys quickly and efficiently: "Como estás?" "Tu madre me chupas bien"
asciilifeform: Mocky: asciilifeform at one time worked for a d00d who spoke the palestinian dialect. he griped that on trips to e.g. riyard he was scoffed at 'like if spoke alabama english in nyc'
asciilifeform: *riyadh
asciilifeform: ( i suspect tho, that this kind of thing is curable with time. e.g. asciilifeform was taught brit eng, not ameri-, but i doubt that anybody can tell this today )
Mocky: census data claims that the zipcode where I live has the highest concentration of arabs in the state, which if you do the math is ~700
Mocky: need to make some friends in the local halal markets
BingoBoingo: You could also see if there's some camho's that want a stable appointment. iirc that's how shinohai learned spanish
Mocky: i don't think what would have ever occurred to me BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: I think the dude chatted with the girl, kept appointments, and then imported her if I remember right
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the camwhoring economics are described here http://trilema.com/2016/the-bizarro-world-of-camwhoring/
mod6: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vFrTE/?raw=true << oh yeah, you made horsecocks a long while ago alf
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850511 <<< this seems a pretty safe bet. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 21:36 Mocky: slow start, but i think i'm going to like arabic
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850520 << yes but mis'r (egypt) is the tv arabic. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 21:45 Mocky: seems like there are a lot of dialects from gulf to african
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850521 << me chupa. chupas is 1st singular not 3rd singular. (plural would be chupan) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 21:46 BingoBoingo: Brian in the head wants to end conversations with the boys quickly and efficiently: "Como estás?" "Tu madre me chupas bien"
mircea_popescu: s/1/2/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-14#1850526 << TURKISH BAFFS!!!1 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-14 21:51 Mocky: need to make some friends in the local halal markets
BingoBoingo: tyvm
BingoBoingo: In local news, a rare event. A heist suspect arrested! https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-detenido-por-asalto-a-remesa-en-el-banco-itau-2018914184632
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/09/russian-lawmakers-consider-regularizing-civil-servant-duels/ << Qntra - Russian Lawmakers Consider Regularizing Civil Servant Duels
Mocky: not all that much of a hurricane here but powers been out at least 2 dozen times for about a minute each.
Mocky: on the other side of town i know powers been out for hours