tmsr - Log 2019-03-06

trinque: in related news, I have trashed my cuntoo build drive with repeated builds!

trinque: lets all plan on smashing through this path bug in the vpatch this weekend. I'll be available for it.

mod6: My availability is pretty limited that day, during the day. Probably will be around later that evening, or more for sure on Sunday.

mod6: Eitherway, I'll read logs and catch up if you proceed without me, of course.

hanbot: trinque, /sys fails with "/usr/gnat/vtoolsp1/vtools/cuntoo/build/sys: target is busy." lsof doesn't match anything tho.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900506 <-- I defo wanna make this, can start working on it after I finish the current scheduled items . I'm missing some deadlines myself (got sidetracked by the more urgent need for mirroring gutenberg) and currently working to get back on track ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-05 18:23 mircea_popescu: btw, spyked lobbes either of you feel like implementing a http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-04#1900358 thing ?

spyked: asciilifeform, is http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-07#1893396 still available? I'm looking for a small machine to (ab)use for cuntoo install and IMHO this is a good alternative to scavenging the local junkyards for usable hw. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-07 16:49 asciilifeform: in other cuntooisms : if anyone is short a x64 box to test-fire cuntoo with, asciilifeform has a surplus disposable box, 'lenovo s10-3' , with that same chipset as in x60 etc period ( https://archive.is/Dny84 ) , if anyone in l1 wants, it's yours for the cost of postage ( has a mechanical hdd in it, i fughet of what size )

asciilifeform: spyked: yours for cost of postage. gpggram to asciilifeform with where you want it sent. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-03-07 17:44 asciilifeform: in other lulz, nsa has internal clone of ida, 'ghidra'

asciilifeform can't be arsed to sacrifice a box to try an' run it, presently

BingoBoingo: Well shinohai, how do you usually use your Pilum to get the feeling you are accustomed to receiving from it?

shinohai: Throw at enemy, laugh as they attempt removal or drop now useless shield.

BingoBoingo: Aite, just wanted to make sure you weren't driving dull side into ground, climbing, and using sharp side as seat. Once again a case of reserve sharp side for enemy.

shinohai: BingoBoingo: Nah, mine has "Antrorsum hostem" engraved on the sharp end.

BingoBoingo: Ah, first they drop their armor. Next the legionaires put warnings on their own kit.

trinque: asciilifeform: they totally either-did-or-are-considering-seriously ending the whatever-you-idiots-think-we-do program

asciilifeform: trinque: they 'end program' erry ~decade, when $name leaks out, and reorg into $newname

BingoBoingo: hanbot: Do you anticipate needing a reset on your cuntoo box soon?

asciilifeform: trinque & other people with working cuntoos -- plox to take a look in the #p log and see if you can easily say what the orig. form of the nao-broken symlink looked like -- ty

diana_coman: no, it's not the symlink that caused the breakage; it's the botched removal i.e. it did more than remove the symlink

asciilifeform: pretty strange effect, i haven't previously observed anyffin of the kind from removing a symlink

diana_coman: me neither but it's a ...test machine; so it gets all tested, what can I say

asciilifeform: rright -- i suspect there's an undocumented linuxtardation somewhere at the bottom of this

diana_coman: ftr I have otherwise down even what the symlink was pointed at; it's not that the issue per se

mircea_popescu: spyked that works. fwiw i'd keep the look of the thing, manpage-like

mircea_popescu: "Ghidra is a software reverse engineering (SRE) framework developed by NSA's Research Directorate for NSA's cybersecurity mission. " << developed nothing, ida license with serials filed off!!1

asciilifeform: (i.e. quite unlike ida, they actually hired 9000 grunts to try & reimplement... )

mircea_popescu: no fucking way. they "hired" 9000 zeks who were "hired" anyway by virtue of being zeks, to wrap it in crap so "nobody can tell".

asciilifeform: entirely possib; can't currently spare any cycles to find out

mircea_popescu: you know, you can run a ms dos box in a java environment emulated in javascript bytecode!!1 ☟︎

mircea_popescu: fucking "java". this imbecile fashion to name things after africans already.

mircea_popescu: NOBODY WORTH THE MENTION EVER WAS BLACK. OR EVEN BROWN. GET THE FUCK OVER IT ALREADY, LIES WONT FIX IT!

mircea_popescu: in the meantime, things can be called "liguria" and so on.

diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this? ☟︎

diana_coman: ftr the same setup otherwise compiled and ran perfectly fine the tasks-test

mircea_popescu: unsurprisingly, compiler started diverging from the "obsolete" ie functional exception handler.

mircea_popescu: diana_coman make a post once you fix it, with the list of what / how you fixed.

diana_coman: once I get to the bottom of it, I certainly will; my first thought was exactly that - ugh, meanwhile it's not "supported" anymore or wtf - but so far I have no real clue, I'll need to dig

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on my globe, java is near sumatra, and not anywhere near africa..

asciilifeform: ( and it'd suck just as hard if they'd named it 'monaco' instead.. )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900636 << was this in the final linkage step, or earlier (and if then, then in the .cpp pieces ? or ada ? ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 16:55 diana_coman: in other unwanted discoveries: on trying to compile the whole server on the sjlj-gnat I got a bunch of undefined symbol for unwind_sjlj_raiseexception ; anyone knows about this?

asciilifeform: afaik this can only mean that it is trying to link with a non-sjljistic gcc standard lib ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you make a 'hello world' that reproduces this ? ( i.e. without seekrit server coad )

diana_coman: you know, that was what I was trying to ensure on the test server (that it's linking with a sjljistic lib) when the simple removal of a symlink blew up in my face

diana_coman: once I have the test machine in working order again I'll see what's going on there; in the happiest case it was just linking with the wrong thing and so it'll be easily solvable

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no i get. i barfed when encountered 'mali' chipset ( srsly?! mali ? )

diana_coman: asciilifeform, for completeness, adacore's gnat with --rts=sjlj throws only one undefined reference rather than a bunch; here's the winner: undefined reference to symbol '_Unwind_Resume@@GCC_3.0'

asciilifeform: ok this is odd, cuz, recall, per http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-14#1896695 an' http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897234 , it oughta be _Unwind_SjLj_Resume , and not _Unwind_Resume ( the latter is a zcxism! ) ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-02-14 22:56 asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/zcx_procs.asm http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/ljmp_procs.asm

a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 17:53 asciilifeform: diana_coman et al : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/misc/feb_16_tasks_o.html

diana_coman: o.O so you're saying that apparently gprbuild --RTS=sjlj on adacore's gnat STILL pulls in some zcxism??

asciilifeform cannot presume to comment re diana_coman's in-house proggy, but as i understand it's sumthing like 80% ancient cpp ?

diana_coman: I think I'll take a break and leave it until I have the smg test box back so at least I don't mess about with all sorts of versions of everything or I'll go nuts

hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900597 << trinque: same, "target is busy". if you wanna try and untangle, i'm at your disposal, but otherwise i'ma have it rebooted ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 15:45 trinque: hanbot: umount build/sys ?

feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/087-feedparse.html << The Tar Pit -- A feed parser for Common Lisp programs

asciilifeform: spyked: got it. i'ma get it to the post on sat. at the latest.

lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: hanbot : while BingoBoingo is in the cage, do you also want reset ?

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Your live environment is ready. This is the same live image hanbot has been using. Changes made to the live environment will not persist.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, changes made on the actual stationary disk, oughta persist, sorta whole point

hanbot: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: well, waiting for trinque --i want to give him an opportunity in case this is interesting.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It sees the disks. Unplugging keyboard and monitor from diana_coman's test box

diana_coman: BingoBoingo, got it, thanks! but ssh is waiting on connecting to box... so far

lobbesbot: diana_coman: Sent 41 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NJ0f5/?raw=true

BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Let me know when you make it in. Just now tested the credentials I sent and there was no perceptible wait.

lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

BingoBoingo: In other news, any channel loggers interested in logging #pizarro ?

asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone yet published a ~complete~ log bot kit ? last i knew , all that was trooly genesis'd is http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , which is one-half of a log bot ( the rear half )

asciilifeform for instance would luvv to log #pizarro and #asciilifeform , say, with own hands, but dun currently have time to write a frontend, and finds it peculiar that nobody's seen it fit to genesis theirs, srsly how many times does that 1 proggy gotta be reinvented

mircea_popescu: not being reinvented or anything, just, it's a large thing because of all the trims.

asciilifeform: i still wonder why phf and ben_vulpes didn't take a shot at genesising theirs ( asciilifeform , for instance, posted the phuctor frontend, fwliw )

asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so.. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: afaik both the current developments are following code published by trinque that comes off ben_vulpes 's logger. this is perfectly fine, too, and no it's not "10 minutes", again because of all the trims.

mircea_popescu: not sure why phf hadn't, but possibly because it's a finnicky setup on a lispmachine he can't reproduce, ie, the "10 minutes" in that case'd have included a decade's worth of encuntoo-ating whatever cl pile he uses.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the published bot genesis takes care of the irc mechanics and the db write ; what's missing is the wwwistic front end

mircea_popescu: well eg in lobbes 's case there's also an auction thing, and the archiving bit, and so on ; in spyked's case there's also a lot of rss and so on. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: but fundamentally yes, the reason the tree's not cut exactly to your measure's that you never cut it yourself.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you look at http://btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , it aint 'not cut', it's entirely missing any www-display coad

asciilifeform: would have to write it by hand. ( could use phuctor's as a base, but would rather not perpetrate another pythonism.. )

asciilifeform: and asciilifeform is actually sticking to mircea_popescu's admonition to not divert from conveyor contents, so i'ma not do this any time soon

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes 's display not included i dunno why ; phf's not included for the stated reason, obscure cl machine ; lobbes 's not included because in order to be able to patch it, he had to fix various things first, you were here for the "techniocal debt" discussion last year.

mircea_popescu: which is exactly the point : they're cutting their own trees because they're their own. if you were cutting it, conceivably it'd be with phuctor python, that being yours, and so o.

mircea_popescu: anyway, they'd prolly be closer to being done, so you wouldn't find yourself in the position of "no logger for pizarro", except they got sent to do auction bot fixes and gutenberg mirror respectively, if you recall.

mircea_popescu expects ben_vulpes reboots mimi in short order and the matter goes away ; otherwise we'll see wtf to do about this.

asciilifeform: trinque said that ben_vulpes is alive , so i expect he'll reboot .

asciilifeform finds it interesting that 'bot self-resetting when fleanode pisses into its mouth' is still open problem

asciilifeform: my own bot, and presumably errything else that uses trinque's orig mechanism, is similarly afflicted

asciilifeform: ( not a bite at trinque , i suspect it is genuinely stiff problem , fleanode apparently throws ~random garbage )

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/03/newly-documented-intel-speculative-memory-management-bug-affects-all-generations-of-intel-core-cpus-makes-rowhammering-much-easier/ << Qntra -- Newly Documented Intel Speculative Memory Management Bug Affects All Generations Of Intel "Core" CPUs, Makes ROWHAMMERing Much Easier

asciilifeform: ^ loox like theoretically afflicts even the venerable x60-era intels. ( aside from the detail that ddr2 aint, as i currently understand, rowhammerable )

BingoBoingo: That was in the "old" days. Intel has moved on to disappearing Quantum bathtubs for catapulting

BingoBoingo: Well, look a it the other way. Intel has been shipping actual quantum computers for over a decade. Now not quantum in an useful way, and possibly quantum in the worst way, but as quantum in the most commercially relevant way so far.