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asciilifeform: phf: the b00k sucked in ways that are difficult to even put into words.
hanbot: mircea_popescu depends on what exactly you mean by "read". it's not the case that i can't extract any value from them. it's certainly the case i wouldn't wager i wholly comprehend. and whatever's in between i'm not sure i'd call "meaningless"
trinque: but, the value of his past statements does not mean they are necessarily part of "the wot"
asciilifeform: somehow stephenson absorbed every possible poison from reddit etc. in past few years.
mircea_popescu: so were bellbottoms the suck, or demonstrably awesome but hit by suck ray ?
hanbot: lol. depends what fashion mavens, if any, one listens to.
mircea_popescu: the problem of interpreting structures of meaning without survivors is not trivial. which is why i said inept historian - the monumental tasks more often attract the idiots who don't comprehend scale than actually talented people who can take bites of reality the size of the moon.
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, generally i like to be in the business of supplying moon biters, but also would not mind giving idiots gigantic guns with which to shoot themselves.
mircea_popescu: in any case - merchants, always of the strict practical persuasion, have no use for them ; and most of the "history" ie, retellings they produce is speculative.
asciilifeform: merchants - for good or ill - live in the 'now'.
asciilifeform: which is how they end up behaving like plankton, and living and dying with the tide.
mircea_popescu: something like that. it's a little complicated, because there is some transcendence even in trade.
mircea_popescu: ie, it's fully a liberal profession. (in some readings, a liberal profession is one where the sufficiently skilled practitioner eventually meets god.)
mircea_popescu: o look phf, i can't link to the story of turbulent flow BECAUSE ITS NOT IN YOUR LOGS!11
asciilifeform: the one with von karman ??
mircea_popescu: the one.
asciilifeform: it isn't, fwiw, in kako's either.
mircea_popescu: darn. did we hallucinate this then ?
asciilifeform: it may have been in a mircea_popescu-asciilifeform pmfest
phf: (it's a comment about lack of pre-kako logs in btcbase perhaps)
mircea_popescu: im damned sure it was in the chan.
asciilifeform: iirc the retelling i am familiar with is due to uncle al.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-03-19#567906 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-03-19 19:04 asciilifeform: and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange ticket, took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Kármán spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.'
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: aha! ahahaha!
mircea_popescu: sorry phf false alarm :)
asciilifeform: not found on account of orcacola!
mircea_popescu: no, i actually searched for "turbulent flow" as opposed to "turbulence"
asciilifeform: бнопня вхрюк!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576571 << "with keys, not necessarily by keys" ehehe. sometimes i'm rather grateful i'm right here to know wtf i meant by stuff i said. ye know, hanbot ? :D ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:05 trinque: I am still waiting to hear why I shouldn't just rely on freenode's auth system to process ratings
hanbot: >D
asciilifeform: meanwhile, so i get a crate with the infamous 'lattice ice' fpga. and go and set up the OPEN SORES!!!11111!!!! toolchain. and lo and behold, it not only bristles with CODE OF CUNTDOCT!!111 etc., but... won't even build
mircea_popescu: lol at beating danielpbarron gets in logs. dat trinque dude packs some punch does he.
asciilifeform: because wants 'clang'
asciilifeform: and llvm
mircea_popescu: mind pasting the code ?
asciilifeform: http://www.clifford.at/icestorm << subj
mircea_popescu: of conduct i mean.
asciilifeform: aite,1s
asciilifeform: https://github.com/cliffordwolf/icestorm/blob/master/CodeOfConduct
mircea_popescu: oh it's for them. i thought they had one for the luser lol. aaanyway, "The use of sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances" << epic shit; i hope this spreads.
mircea_popescu chuckles at his own pun.
asciilifeform: thing is a MASSIVE megaturd also.
asciilifeform: ~100M of src.
asciilifeform: when all added up.
mircea_popescu: that fits in a fpga ?!
asciilifeform: no!
BingoBoingo: From the local police blotter: "Five juveniles, a 9-year-old boy, a 10-year-old boy, two 11-year-old boys, and a 10-year-old girl, all of Highland, were charged with destroying property for allegedly breaking light bulbs on Christmas displays belonging to the city"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the verilog compiler.
mircea_popescu: ah the toolchain
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576609 << well, logs are one thing, not quite same as ratings. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:17 trinque: the fact is preserved that he who had this key said X
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576829 << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6_oEmG7DzU ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 22:34 ben_vulpes: boats, huh. /me smacks self
asciilifeform: and holy shit it is annoying, i will have to make entirely new box to run that thing on.
asciilifeform: literally not a single one of my active gentoo boxes will 'emerge' clang...
asciilifeform: they all get mired in circular dependency hell.
asciilifeform: i will point out that, for all of the horror of the 100% closed and ~15 GB (yes) mass of the xilinx dev chain, it runs on ANY LINUX BOX
asciilifeform: nor does it ask to become root, nor does it ask you to fuck with your global compiler set
asciilifeform: oh and as if this were not enough, 'icestorm' wants also:
asciilifeform: python3
shinohai: ewww
shinohai: Life imitates art: http://archive.is/pg5B6 ☟︎
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-28#1549612 << so normal action is ^AACTION ... ^A, turns that when the line is too long it gets cut off (which is normal behavior) but in case of action none of client seem to do the regular split, meanwhile the irc server cutsoff terminating ^A, which breaks most parsers (including mine) ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-28 08:17 Framedragger: aha, i wonder if the sending irc client encoded msg in some strange charset, and ACTION was *not* technically the first set of characters in that message, from point of view of znc.
phf: in case of znc you get the wonky ^ACTION ... lines
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/935C281E93290085CEF5E89EA683BF22ADF83017C0C76A563E494485929B1BFB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2169...8033 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.225.241.126 (ssh-rsa key from 195.225.241.126 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/678090924806DAD56D7DC5111D33E4B7E22C62E7D43813D17ED89BB06ECD4CDE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2515...0321 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.102.73.67 (ssh-rsa key from 198.102.73.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (blacklist.day.org. US)
ben_vulpes: deploying major rewrite of mimisbrunnr.
ben_vulpes: and back
ben_vulpes: rewriting things is my fave. giant pile of ones own poop to shovel, and at the end of the day nothing should have changed as far as non codemonkeys can tell.
phf 0 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 1 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 2 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 3 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 4 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 5 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 6 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 7 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 8 a b c d e f g h i j k l
asciilifeform: phf: test pattern?
phf: yeah, but it's not giving me expected result :/
phf: asciilifeform: actually is the last letter in that pattern l or m?
ben_vulpes: i see an l
asciilifeform: l
phf: kk
phf: ah no there yo go http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20161203/#74
scriba: Logged on 2016-12-03: [01:54:50] <phf> ACTION 0 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 1 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 2 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 3 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 4 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 5 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 6 a b c d e f g h i j k l m
scriba: n o p q r s t u v w x y z 7 a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z 8 a b c d e f g h i j k l
ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/ad-hoc-routing-another-benefit-to-life-in-the-republic?preview=true&preview_id=235&preview_nonce=46dc0db338#comment-56 << /me waves at nubbins`
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: prolly ol' kako
asciilifeform: ( d00d lives in a parallel world where , e.g., mpex is dead, and ready to tell any old-timer randomly reappearing in his chan - as they sometimes do - that it vanished long ago, etc )
shinohai: !~btc.blocks 400000
jhvh1: http://mimisbrunnr.cascadianhacker.com/blocks/400000
shinohai: fixed ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: neato shinohai
ben_vulpes: consider plugging mimisbrunnr into tslb?
ben_vulpes off, ride is here
phf: asciilifeform: it's in line with what he said his goals were "to warn people"
phf: i checked b-a log because somebody mentioned activity, a few weeks ago and it's literally the same conversation. i remember he tried directly intervening, "warning" cockli guy i think, and cockli's reaction was "you seem like a crazy dude with an agenda", but i guess a strategy of "mpex is long gong and nobody heard from mp" probably works better
jurov: O.o mpex isn't dead?
phf: nice try
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576646 << was that the gossipd one ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:31 phf: that was the conclusion of the thread last time we had this conversation, yes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576653 << the way i have this sketched in my head is that you ~as your avatar~ have a presence that's distinct from you ~as your freenode nick~. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:35 danielpbarron: i mean i'm not gonna put my key on a networked machine
mircea_popescu: you will have to have ~a~ key online as a matter of course for the client to connect ; but it doesn't have to be THE key in any sense.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576658 << the way i intend THAT to work is that client connects to server, by sending encrypted magic packet which includes its fp ; if server has that fp it sends challenge string and logs in the player ; if server has not that fp it sends challenge string and proceeds ot character creation. nice and streamlined. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:35 danielpbarron: so i assumed people would still have to resister their actual key with the bot prior to getting their eulora account
mircea_popescu: basically this will include a (hopefully improved) rsa implementation as part of the client. the details still very much in air.
mircea_popescu: one particular angle would be that if we generate republic-rsa keys (see http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524210 eg) as opposed to koch-rsa keys then yes eulora server will have to dump its privately maintained wot to deedbot periodically ; but on the upside we get very cheap transition to the new format while maintaining all the backwards compatibility one could want. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 12:32 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since we're on this btw, the way i want tmsr-rsa key generation to work is as follows : a contains a number of entropy bytes specified by user in tmsr-rsa.conf read whenever tmsr-rsa.conf specifies (such as urandom); b contains a base-tmsr string specified by user. c = base-tmsr(a).b ; p = nextprime(cut(sha512(c),257)) ; process is repeated for q = nextprime (cut(sha512(c'),258));
mircea_popescu: and we can have nice things such as fixed time keygen, such as "key generation takes 24 hours - come back tomorrow".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576690 << too many ifs ; and for that matter the problem of "what to do with the intestate" is unsolvable in the general sense. the best approach is for the man to write a fucking testament already. there's deedbot for this purpose, it is wrong to you know, have an ethereum-powered mechanism to decide FOR gauss what of the coffin liners should be rescued. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:46 asciilifeform: phf: if pubkey is preserved, and privkey of dead man -- well-destroyed, suddenly the 'donation of constantine' problem evaporates.
mod6: just finished catching up on mega-log
mircea_popescu: had fun ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576713 << i read it at the time. i didn't like it among other things because it exhibits unbounded complexity. iirc we discussed this briefly back then. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:53 asciilifeform: trinque: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 << oblig
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> and herein included - all my ratings. you can not at some point come and say "X scammed me of a btc and you had him rated +1 therefore you owe me some cents" << while reading, this is what I was thinking too. We've seen many times where someone reputable has a positive rating for X, and then later X scams out. These ratings can't act as a guarantee; which would place the rater in some leg
mod6: al jeopardy.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576722 << and what if he thought your grandmother was sexy ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:57 trinque: if my dead grandfather hated someone, I would most certainly care about that given that he was a man I respected.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/935C281E93290085CEF5E89EA683BF22ADF83017C0C76A563E494485929B1BFB << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1370...7267 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '195.225.241.126 (ssh-rsa key from 195.225.241.126 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/678090924806DAD56D7DC5111D33E4B7E22C62E7D43813D17ED89BB06ECD4CDE << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1560...2357 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '198.102.73.67 (ssh-rsa key from 198.102.73.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (blacklist.day.org. US)
mircea_popescu: mod6 not only that, but there's a lot of flexibility required in actual human intercourse. "x is a great drunk and a miserable father, so has - from daughter and + from me. i'm friends with the daughter and we fuck occasionally. problem ?"
mircea_popescu: the wot isn't a computable graph. i mean it's drawable, obviously, and the drawing's not futile, but just because the machine can draw it dun mean the machine grasps it.
mod6: yeah, i see.
mod6: this reminds me of this line in your unicode paper.
mircea_popescu: and ironically i can give a negative evaluation in spite of my positive rating - other lady friend asks me about having kids with the guy - i'll tell her about daugther ; and if the daughter's not a total futz, if her drinking friend asks about dad he'll get a + notwithstanding he's an asshole. or maybe won't, depending on how much of an asshole he is generally. but there's the ambiguity.
mod6: yeah.
mod6: i get trinque's worry; that he'll wake up and find his wallet emptied out; and he wants a pill against that. the preposed solution is fine for that. but signed ratings is not the answer imho.
mircea_popescu: i think actually he was perfectly satisfied with what we arrived at. ☟︎
mod6: it's even happened to me. i rated a guy with positive rating, he didn't scam me at all. but he apparently scammed some other people.
mod6: should I be hung up by my heels for that?
mircea_popescu: there's the case of aethero, perhaps the best illustration of this. guy had a top 10 rating by any abstract measurement, lots of ratings from many people.
mod6: especially when my transcation happened before his other "scammy" dealings ☟︎
mircea_popescu: and of course there's the case of pirate, which hanbot actually analysed at length on the forum years ago, in retort to some idiot going "o see, the wot doesn't work, pirate had high rating"
mircea_popescu: yes, he had a high rating consisting of 500 idiots going "he doubled my moneyz!!!"
mircea_popescu: hurr.
mod6: yeah.
mod6: lol seen it all.
mod6: btw, lol @ washitistan
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576727 << no, actually it isn't. the signed V element is actually a deed ; it gets maintained by an alternative mechanism than the deeds because we're still working with all this shit and trying to figure it out. but fundamentally, it is a deed not a rating. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 20:58 asciilifeform: it is an instance of same material.
mircea_popescu: mod6 :p
mod6: I agree there too. When you sign a vpatch, you're saying, "I, have read (or wrote) this, and I place my seal upon it as it is correct and right." Not, "mod6 wrote this thing, I rate him a '+1 Cool Guy' for effort."
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576744 << this i think is entirely undisputed. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 21:01 asciilifeform: phf: in my cosmography, a 'rater' is a pubkey
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576753 << this is not altogether a bad idea, except of course for the fact that the derps aren't in the wot. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 21:05 asciilifeform: but picture , for instance, if phuctor bot rated keys that were phuctored, in the moment of.
mircea_popescu: so kinda too much effort for ~no payout.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576770 << except this is how memory works - shoddy computing infrastructure is how you forget. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 21:20 trinque: if it is better to forget, lets make that explicit. when/why, and not just as an artifact of being built on shoddy computing infrastructure.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-02#1576781 << actually, it IS the present trinque, and must be. in order to voice itself, the guy named trinque must talk to deedbot, and reply with the right challenge. so yes we forced the shitty freenode name system into a very strong thing. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 21:31 trinque: something else comes to mind; there exists in our logs a person named trinque who is not the present trinque
mircea_popescu: if you stop showing up, and some other dude for some reason ends up with your nick, such as through asking freenode for it say, he won't be able to voice himself - which encourages him to get a "fresh" nick.
mircea_popescu: so the whole scheme fails correctly.
asciilifeform: i thought he was referring to a pre- +m trinque
asciilifeform: at some point in prehistory
trinque: no, was referring to myself with different opinions
asciilifeform: aah
asciilifeform looked for one, in vain, in ancient l0gz
mod6: i thought also that i remembered some guy who tried to hijack your nick or something.
mod6: back in like '13
trinque: point was that there was permanent history in logs, ephemerality in ratings, but we've since discussed that distinction at length.
mod6: So, changing subjects for a minute... I have these lamport battle-ready pub/priv keys made.
mod6: I should clearsign the pubkey with my pgp-pubkey and deedbot this, aha?
asciilifeform: mod6: seems like the thing to do , neh ?
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577133 << aha, I am. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 03:38 mircea_popescu: i think actually he was perfectly satisfied with what we arrived at.
mod6: Yah, and then should I need it, I can use the lamport priv key to send a message "hey, it's mod6. my new pgpkey fp is: ABCDEF1234567890..."
mod6: right?
mircea_popescu: yeah, there's gonna be a bit of overlap/restating agreement as i go through the whole pile. sorry bout the department of redundancy department.
mircea_popescu: but re the whole "each pope gets fisherman ring - and it is destroyed on death" alf concern - yes, having one's privkeys destroyed properly is pretty much the only worldly charge of men.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577137 << evaluating people based on their ~ratings~ is imho 'coarse error in pilotage' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 03:40 mod6: especially when my transcation happened before his other "scammy" dealings
asciilifeform: (their ratings of others)
mircea_popescu: so if some guy shows up and negrates me you derive no information from this ?
mod6: i agree, but it tends to happen. that still doesn't take away that my rating is ~not~ a guarantee of anything.
mircea_popescu: suppose what's his face with the blog shows up, +rates koch and that other idiot, and -rates you and mod6
mircea_popescu: am i to not infer nuttin ?
asciilifeform: maybe he just like folx without a's or 6's in their name.
asciilifeform: *likes
mod6: haha
mircea_popescu: granted, maybe.\
mircea_popescu: more generally, maybe he's confused, maybe he's unhinged, maybe he's an asshole, but there's no bright mind promise in there.
mod6: i beleive that mentally, when you read a rating, you grok this text on some level, which invokes some type of response. i can be ignored, sure, but it happened never the less.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i confess i've not gotten my head altogether around the lamport thing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what part did not make immediate sense ?
asciilifeform: it's world's simplest pubkey sig scheme
asciilifeform: and is provably as strong as your hash (can be any hash you like)
asciilifeform: (to break n-bit lamportron, you need n collisions AT ONCE)
mircea_popescu: no no, it makes sense in what it is. its implications though, are far reaching. even something as simple as "how strong is your hash"
asciilifeform: i'll point out that i can forge , e.g., gpg signature from mircea_popescu if i find ONE collision
mircea_popescu: it's no criticism whatsoever, it's confession. i'm working on it.
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762 << link for anyone who has nfi what is this thread.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean, "if i find aes collision, i can replace signed text with (longer) signed text" ?
mod6: since it's confession time: I read asciilifeform's post probably 5 times total. Following through all of the steps at least 2x to get the hang of what was going on there, and reviewing the code.
asciilifeform: sha512 collision
mircea_popescu: aha right.
mircea_popescu: still, it'd be pretty evident.
asciilifeform: or, alternatively, a much easier sha1 collision, in which case i only fool ~all extant gpg clients~ but not a d00d with magnifying glass actually multiplying out the rsa
mircea_popescu: "o look, mp often signs 85 kb strings of random letters"
mod6: I like what it does, and it seems to make sense in the case where I might need this one single time. To prevent against cryptographic death, I can generate this key pair, sign it with my PGP key, and then send a one time message of my new PGP key fp to save me from hitting the ground.
asciilifeform: mod6: the parachute isn't risk-free, if you hid it somewhere where enemy may turn it up, it can be worse than useless
mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: as far as you know... "the implications" go.
asciilifeform: fwiw i thought this was quite clear.
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mod6: yeah, all those considerations are valid too asciilifeform
asciilifeform: has same downfall as keeping a spare pgp key a la mircea_popescu's
mircea_popescu: well yes, the advantage being you don't have to know aforehand what you intend to use
asciilifeform: probably i ought to have called it a cryptographic ejection seat
mod6: It's weight of responsibility of protecting yet another key, or the possibility of being locked out of heaven.
asciilifeform: mod6: lamportron is not merely 'spare key' but to ensure against a specific scenario, rsacalypse
asciilifeform: i delved into subj seriously for first time after the close call in august
mod6: and we've seen how close the rsacalypse. i feel like we were right there a few months back.
mod6: yes. indeed.
asciilifeform: picture if i ~had~ found that i can derive everybody's 1.4.10 priv.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in my mind this drove the reaction of alt-rsa in eulora, for instance.
asciilifeform: right
mod6: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/GotIs/?raw=true
deedbot: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: you know it's not a bad idea ot have recitals for these things.
mircea_popescu: "here is so and so made for this and that" etc.
mod6: ah, shit. i guess i agree. maybe I should have put a line in the top of that thing.
mircea_popescu: remember for next time.
mod6: fair enough, i can just throw in another i suppose.
asciilifeform: nono 1s
mod6: aight, will remember for next time though.
asciilifeform: !!deed http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5r5gk/?raw=true
deedbot: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: now gotta test, does this verify-mod6 after stripped of asciilifeform's pgpsig ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577071 << bwahaha ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 01:26 shinohai: Life imitates art: http://archive.is/pg5B6
mod6: asciilifeform: your sig verifies, mine does not, unless you remove the '- ' infront of the '------' lines
mod6: then it does verify.
mod6: you are backing us away from "number of seconds from 'midnight' of rsacalypse" one step at a time. first lamport, then FUCKGOATS, each step helps. ☟︎
mod6: so, thanks for all your efforts. i appreciate it.
trinque: pretty sure --decrypt unwraps those
trinque: on signed material
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : supermax prison in colorado holds among the child eaters &c a 70yo gent who for some reason plead guilty to "being a cuban agent for 30 years", two years after retiring from his job and three years after saying that the us-uk "special relationship" is a joke on the us side.
mod6: lemme try that trinque
asciilifeform: did they put the d00d who was picked up for 'child pr0n' the day he demonstrated the glock-on-quadcopter ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: in same prison
mircea_popescu: prolly diff one.
mod6: trinque: that does fix that ya.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform bonus points - got caught by... undercover operation! fancy this wonder.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577240 << oblig https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sXPmz9b4lM ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 04:35 mod6: you are backing us away from "number of seconds from 'midnight' of rsacalypse" one step at a time. first lamport, then FUCKGOATS, each step helps.
mod6: ah iron maiden
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ftr phenomenon is singular.
mircea_popescu: but i lolled at the dry "a very long depreciation schedule, possibly inexcess of five years".
BingoBoingo: A+++ logs
mats: http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trump-spoke-with-taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen-1480718423 lul
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 760.89, vol: 5365.70419044 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 755.521, vol: 3563.39157 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 763.85, vol: 8737.89557743 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 781.34298, vol: 962462.16350000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 765.512, vol: 1891.42255614 | Volume-weighted last average: 780.951385994
mircea_popescu: check it out, alf's fuckgoats + trinque's wot work + ben_vulpes 's brunnr + things -> btc goes up 10%.
mircea_popescu: kinda gives a useful estimation of the total value of the whole rest of the ecosystem, i guess.
thestringpuller: UK "banned" end to end encryption with Investigory Powers Act of 2016. I think it basically says companies in UK have to put back doors in their shit or they are "non-compliant", thus making end-2-end encryption illegal. Effects Blockchain.info users (who operates in UK). Takes effect 2017...
mircea_popescu: afects.
thestringpuller: mah anglish not so gud
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: i suppose Framedragger now has to move.
shinohai: To quote mircea_popescu " the irc festivities are moving over to #trilema ; with a more selective lordship list and improved tools all around. " I think the improved tools have indeed materialized.
mircea_popescu: i'd say so yeh
shinohai: I know of no other chan with such useful bots as this one has.
mircea_popescu: never existed, even if you count bbses / webforums, the whole tree.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5503CEAD5D63424D8B1200DA00A1BA31A8978C2C243767C2F0D93D3DEBAEA154 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...6617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.30.26 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.30.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ckoehler.de. DE) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there are teams with better history, because linux or whatever. i wouldn't however bet on the theory there are better teams altogether. and no, "secret meta-nsa" doesn't get to dent this discussion. because clinton lost.
mircea_popescu: as far as taming computors, there's the most serene republic, and then there's the everyone else.
mircea_popescu: btw since http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 was mentioned again, it must be said : "Not only are there times when one would like to seal a payload with a caveat of one kind or another, but presently we have no means of conveying disapproval – other than by refraining from sealing. The latter act conveys very little useful information, and no permanent sealed record remains of the effort taken to actually understand the patch.
mircea_popescu: This is a Bad Thing." << this is both exactly correct and exactly inescapable. we will at some point have to do something about it.
shinohai: I'm tempted to blow a few bitcents spamming the shit out of this: https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/
mircea_popescu: not an unreasonable thing is it ?
mircea_popescu: their idea i mean. "allow humans who give a shit to signal this to the network ; and allow their txn go first"
shinohai: This is on of the "Bitcoin Unlimited" pools. They have "Bigger Blocks" so they can handle it xD
shinohai: *one of
mircea_popescu: eh, who can't handle it.
shinohai never really has problem when using trb .... tx fee is set at 0.001
mircea_popescu: have you seen any blocks where NO free txn were included ?
mircea_popescu: so you replace the "coin age" convention with the "captcha on website" convention, they're both the same sort of nonsense, trying to aprpoximate "real people" in machine language.
BingoBoingo: But with captcha "major" pool gets to scam a couple adcents
mircea_popescu: lol. such bidniss sense in these people. let 'em enjoy.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577271 << debian etch ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 13:28 deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5503CEAD5D63424D8B1200DA00A1BA31A8978C2C243767C2F0D93D3DEBAEA154 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1757...6617 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.30.26 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.30.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ckoehler.de. DE)
asciilifeform: in other ooooldz, http://www.oswego.edu/~baloglou/misc/index.html << every once in a long while i find one of these, uncle al - style fossils from when www was as a whole worth something
mircea_popescu reads the comments on alf's vectored sigs piece, is thoroughly confused
mircea_popescu: wtf is this ?!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/a-collection-of-distinctions/ << Trilema - A collection of distinctions
asciilifeform: there were comments?!
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: and a hell of a menagerie at that.
asciilifeform: oh heh, looks like an entire mircea_popescu 2nd take on subj. i'ma read, bbl.
mircea_popescu: incidentally paul niquette is a very pleasant read.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5503CEAD5D63424D8B1200DA00A1BA31A8978C2C243767C2F0D93D3DEBAEA154 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1448...6109 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '83.151.30.26 (ssh-rsa key from 83.151.30.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (www.ckoehler.de. DE)
shinohai: Looks like the tub-of-lard should be spending weekend at the gym, but what do I know: http://archive.is/KB7XS
mircea_popescu: "BTW - what was that game withe gnome, the guy and the girl who were fighting against creatures and you could cast magic too?" << guaranteed to be golden axe.
mircea_popescu: this guy. calling 'software engineering' 'computer science' is tantamount to calling 'mechanical engineering' 'automobile science.' and the 'debugger,' is a misnomer tantamount to calling a 'magnifying glass' an 'insecticide.'
danielpbarron: sounds like secret of mana
mircea_popescu: let's play a little with numbers since we're reading this guy. so : " Silicon Valley Rapid Transit Project (SVRT) a $5 billion design-build project for a 16-mile extension of the Bay Area Rapid Transit District (BART) with six stations" (from http://www.niquette.com/paul/access/resume.html ). now then : total track in world is ~2 1/4 mn km. using "global warming" "scientific" best practices, we conclude that a 1 billiard inve
mircea_popescu: stment in infrastructure would just about result in doubling, provided "infrastructure" is strictly defined to mean rail, and excludes energy generation, hospitals, schools, roads, even busses.
mircea_popescu: let it also be noted that 1 billiard is the usg bezzle-gdp for about 80 years, and it becomes rather evident : nothing the shitstains of today can do could even conceivably come to matter.
mats: wat
mats: 80 years of usg bezzle-gdp from what year to what year?
mats: nvm. gdp as a measurement has only been around since near the end of the great depression
mircea_popescu: mats from 2016 to 2096, proposing it holds.
mircea_popescu: 1 billiard = 10 ** 15
mats: oh ok
mircea_popescu: so you know : 80 years at current rate to re-do trains, 90 years to re-do roads, 50 years to redo hospitals, 150 to re-do electricity and cable network...
mircea_popescu: 10x what it historically took, and that's not counting two wars in between.
mircea_popescu: lowest productivity of the ship in the ship's recent history, apparently overliteracy mimics illiteracy quite well, we're well pre-1700 levels back here.
mircea_popescu: in continuing lulz, "Advanced Patent Technologies, Las Vegas, NV. 1978 – 1981, Consultant, Business Development. Mr. Niquette marketed a patent portfolio and managed the launching of startups in diverse industries, including video animation and special effects, dental instruments, and advanced engine designs for public transportation vehicles and farm machinery." << check it out, someone did start-ups before graham ?!?!? HE
mircea_popescu: RESY!
mats: i was thinking the americans in #t should pool an emergency airlift fund ☟︎
mats: as there appears to be so much consensus about us collapse
mircea_popescu: why, to encourage the "i just wanted" folk to rely on it ?
mats: i dunno what that means
mircea_popescu: how could i help ?
mats: divine the nature of the collapse
mircea_popescu: ugh what am i, mafalda ?
mats: that reference is also beyond me
mircea_popescu: princess mafalda of savoy, popularly thought to be an oracle.
mats: ah
trinque: eh I'm curious where Texas ends up, gonna stay right here.
trinque: no airlift for me
mats: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/02/middleeast/iraq-mosul-battle-isis << in other news, coalition death toll stands at 2k, civilian losses about the same
mats: also, congress has authorized potus to arm .sy opposition with american AA missiles
mats: l0l
asciilifeform: the correct ru response would be to supply "стрела" rockets to montana militias
asciilifeform: and black city dopewarriorz
mats: as if there aren't enough manpads in syria as it is
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-03#1577317 << how do you picture this? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-03 20:21 mats: i was thinking the americans in #t should pool an emergency airlift fund
asciilifeform: price of air ticket has never been a problem for anyone worth talking about
asciilifeform: whereas price of 'diamond train' ticket is guaranteed to be 'all you got, and then some moar' at best
trinque: gotta establish business in another place well before you leave if you don't want to be a refugee
mats: latter doesn't have to be, though
mats: i picture the fund covering the cost of pilot, plane, fuel, hasty emergency runway construction, and minimal perimeter security
asciilifeform: mats: are you familiar with why ~0 jews moved to south america in '40?
asciilifeform: '40s
mats: how does it compare with nazis moving to south america in the 50s?
mats: (no, i'm not familiar with why jews didn't move there)
asciilifeform: nazis had cia & catholic support network
asciilifeform: they were not going penniless to jungles.
mircea_popescu: plenty of jews moved in the 30s.
mircea_popescu: and re diamond train : the historical item worked as such : that a coupla dozen businessmen paid for all of it, and then there were 5x that many people who didn't pay a dime that also went with it.
asciilifeform: iirc they were meatwot placements
asciilifeform: but also some payers
mircea_popescu: well however it shall be explained, most got a "free" ride.
asciilifeform: btw if mats knows a useful skill to live off in the free world, wtf is he still doing in usascwitz today!
asciilifeform: suitcase, airplane!
mats: i don't, and i'm still struggling with the idea of abandoning everything and everyone i know to an uncertain fate
mircea_popescu: aww.
mircea_popescu: well maybe the aliens will pay for it!
asciilifeform: usachwitz never historically worked by removing passports from inmates (though, in BingoBoingo's case...) but rather by mutilating folx to make'em unfit for life outside
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had a piece about this.
mircea_popescu: poor thems!
mats: i almost forgot about alf's fatalism
mats: he plans to die face down in the swamp
asciilifeform: mats: like you, i have no knowledge of a useful in free world profession.
mats: i got the option of fleeing to .cn, this fantastical train of thought isn't really for my benefit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fancy this - paul niquette is wikinotable enough to - figure in the article on tukey and no more.
asciilifeform: go while the planes are running, mats.
mats: i dunno why you feel this way about your talents
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i only learned of him today, from mircea_popescu
mats: the least you could is ... help desk? c'mon
asciilifeform: mats: i'll take bullet instead.
mircea_popescu: really ?
mats: lol
mircea_popescu knew of guy for being one of the xerox management involved in parc.
asciilifeform: the good old one? or the new, rotten parc
mircea_popescu: the 1960s one
asciilifeform: neato
asciilifeform puts on list to read man's complete worx
mircea_popescu: iirc he did some academia in the 70s, but mostly management consultancy.
mircea_popescu: in which field he's you know, folks like locklin's unconfessed but quite evident ideal.
asciilifeform can picture
asciilifeform: sadly these were people of a lost era, where there were not only actual brains around, but massive surplus wealth from the great monopolists like bell
mircea_popescu: certainly goes in that "great men from different era" rubric.
mircea_popescu: before the "digg revolution" which subsists today in derpy wanan-be incantations like 9gag, reddit etc, and before the great "internet revolution" of aol shitting all voer the place, there was another substantially identical "revolution", where pointless college degrees started sitting pointessly in offices cca 1970 and creating "office life". but BEFORE all that scum and rot, most dumb kids were farmers, and smart kids were
mircea_popescu: found at palo alto and etc.
mircea_popescu: this last thing would be the "different era", ie, before mass literacy filled the desks with cowboys.
asciilifeform: eh bureaucracy existed
mircea_popescu: and bbs-es existed. of course they existed. but there was a significant change about the time it also happened in the su.
asciilifeform: gogol's 'overcoat' is 19th c
mircea_popescu: even so.
mircea_popescu: very different thing from the socialist-state-middle-class bureaucracy of the 70s.
mircea_popescu: i mean, the turks fucking had an idle class of ethnic greeks living in fanar for 3+ centuries, exactly mappable to any modern understanding of bureaucracy. nevertheless.
asciilifeform: at any rate, that era is as far removed from asciilifeform's lived experience as the glory-of-rome
mircea_popescu: i believe. though it was not really so far back.
asciilifeform: in not quite related noose, asciilifeform took his brother to a phone shop to activate a very vintage 'krazor', and the clerks all wished to know where they can also get one...
mircea_popescu: heh.
asciilifeform: (a classical 'dumbphone', matchbox-sized thing, with actual buttons and --- strangely alone in ENTIRE class of dumbphone other than it - whitelist ringer)
asciilifeform: ^ if anyone knows of another - plz post...
mircea_popescu used to have a landline thing installed for the same purpose.
mircea_popescu: !!up B1M0
deedbot: B1M0 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up nick_name
deedbot: nick_name voiced for 30 minutes.
nick_name: Why we should use merkle tree for block checking? That is possible to get hash of all transactions instead.
mircea_popescu: merkle tree allows you to spot the problem.
nick_name: why we should spot the problem?
mircea_popescu: generally the question you want to answer is "is this tx included in this block". with a hash tree that is log N, with a hash list that is N proportional.
nick_name: Thank you!
mircea_popescu: yw.
nick_name: Can we use nosql database for all transactions? it should be more faster in comparison of checking each block.
mircea_popescu: who's we ?
nick_name: i want to optimize searching algoritm.
nick_name: 'we' in general
mircea_popescu: well, pick up the V tree and submit a patch ; ben_vulpes is already running http://cascadianhacker.com/update-mimisbrunnr-last-block-received on the trb infrastructure. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: or alternatively read the various discussions in the log and mailing list re trb reform.
mats: http://missilethreat.csis.org/missile-war-yemen neat-o
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/12/emergency-mozilla-bulletin-stop-using-firefox/#comment-80523
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: i dun think there's anything in the mozilla tree that's rescuable.
mircea_popescu: an epic fucking failure, that whole wanna-be trilema thing.
mircea_popescu: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2016/12/01/state-of-mozilla-2015-annual-report/ << one year late, absolutely nothing worth the mention in there, plenty of things worth the noose.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which - who's going to do the "all republican things 2016 retrospective" ?
mats: BingoBoingo: 'Wordfence' is not Mozilla
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in re http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-06#1515745 << we've completed tests and confirmed we can actually link ada code. i'm thinking, prolly the best way is to make an official and definitive tmsr-rsa ~in ada~ as a v root ? or hows's your general numeric thing coming along and more importantly what's it written in ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-06 00:01 asciilifeform proposes to implement this subsystem for s.mg.
mats: just some folks that make a wordpress plugin
mircea_popescu: and speaking of mozilla,
mircea_popescu: jwzs and other just wanted tos, sam yagan (the edonkey guy who then make okcupid and who then engaged in that ridoinculous publicity stunt over eich's donating 1k to some dudes campaigning against gay marriage in california) is as fine an example as it gets.
mircea_popescu: 2nd generation immigrant, sold edonkey to barnes&noble, sold okcupid to iac, will sell his highschool sweetheart if it comes to that or no more starbucks. ☟︎☟︎