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deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/03/who-needs-to-learn-languages-when-you-have-google-translate/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - Who needs to learn languages when you have Google Translate?
ben_vulpes: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.h?v=wires_rev1#0261 << kinda looks like all one needs to bake CTxIn's is the hash of the transaction and output index, can someone spot check this for me?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1636040 << all i knew about argentina i read in borges, casares and cortazar. i suspect if that argentina ever existed it's long dead☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 17:30 asciilifeform: whaddayamean they don't sit around , retired and deposed colonels, deciding which fighting cock to sell, before starving
asciilifeform: phf: it left a pretty good-looking corpse, phf
asciilifeform: ( i will say, 0 of the things that drove mircea_popescu barking mad about the place, bother me at all. then again i was there for a week.. )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what precisely are you thinking of attempting?
phf: i know a few argentinians through yoga jet set crowd, and they are pleasant and fun company if nothing else. i prefer them to americans or germans most of the time
asciilifeform: phf: yeah -- my mechanic is from buenos aires, and excellent conversation
asciilifeform: a former neighbour -- also, and ditto
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: walking the blockchain in search of payments to a pubkey or pubkey hash, and indexing those in some manner (accounting for spends) such that they can be reconstituted into a transaction later
asciilifeform: and i dun give a nanofuck that 'nightclubs there are small and crowded'. su circa 1975 had 0 nightclubs and i'd pick it over anywhere in known solar system, yes i would.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it isn't hard to do, no; i have it (tentatively) working right here. but -- it ~is~ O(n).
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: q more along the lines of "what is least necessary to write to disk in order to be useful later"
phf: asciilifeform: i think the main objection is that it's a country of millenials, lota pretense, not much doing
asciilifeform: phf: that's whole planet. with possible exception of japan -- country of nursing home.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: see my ada snippets from last week, pasted here
asciilifeform: tx format was exhaustively described therein.
asciilifeform: ( or your own parser, for that matter ! )
ben_vulpes: well yes i'm familiar with how the bits are laid down, but i am less familiar with how trb handles it internally
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'surprise!' -- it doesn't
asciilifeform: bdb does.
asciilifeform: (and -- just barely.)
mircea_popescu: !!key serje
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform argentina ? it's great for a week, and for a month. it's horrible for longer because the people are such subhuman shits.
mircea_popescu: phf that argentina is essentially a scam. it never existed ; much like vhs america never existed.
mircea_popescu: this isn't to say that pre-peron argentina wasn't a major world power, it was. but at no point was greenwich village what lifetime ohioan poet imagined it to be ; and similarily the hallucinated argentina of borges is a place exactly in the sense hemingway's manhood is a manhood or blair's civilisation is a civilisation.
shinohai: Is it as shitty as Tijuana, where sewage spills go unnoticed for weeks? http://archive.is/nvFEL
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform su in 1975 did not have 0 nightclubs.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs.
mircea_popescu: !~google "rio rita"
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Rio Rita | Mild mannered coffee shop by day, swanky lounge by night.: <http://www.riorita.net/>; Our Menu | Rio Rita: <http://www.riorita.net/our_menu/>; Rio Rita - Home | Facebook: <https://www.facebook.com/RioRitaAustin/>
mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1UzHkN5jBA <
mircea_popescu: shinohai yes. their official beach where everyone goes is actually untreated sewage. they don't care.
shinohai: "Hey this water makes our skin more brown, so we aren't pasty like the Chileans!"
mircea_popescu: phf they pretend to be millennials. in point of fact are apes.
phf has a sudden urge to get some vodka and zakuska "nu chto, bratci, odahnem, so vkusom! eeeeeeh!"
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: the notion that ~at any point~ teh russkis lacked a night life is borne out of a very strange life.
mircea_popescu: more of a scene in fucking 42 leningrad than buenos aires ever saw.
mircea_popescu: and this is BEFORE doing per capita regularization.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'XHCI (usb 3.0) in linux kernel is limited to 32 devices. It looks like a bug.'
asciilifeform: (apparently no moar than 13 FUCKGOATS can be plugged into 1 usb host. because Reasons.)
mircea_popescu: dunno why you'd want more than a coupla anyway. it's redundant to all fuck.
asciilifeform: for the test beds, noshit
mircea_popescu: > 13 ?
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, for YOUR test beds. i see. lol
asciilifeform: or, elsewhere, for, say , otp gen.
asciilifeform: for which 100, say, is still modest number.
mircea_popescu: eh, i don't expect worldwide usage of otp ticker exceeds 1mbps.
asciilifeform: and the reason for this is this.
mircea_popescu: now that's a point.
phf: look at you connecting things like some kind of terrorist
mircea_popescu: it wasn't hot enough to melt concrete phf.
asciilifeform: i've given some serious thought to 'what would be highest bit rate honest rng possible with current tech'
asciilifeform: it would probably be something like an sram but doped with a very small bit of beta emitter isotope
asciilifeform: put the von neumann debiaser in each 'pixel', also.
asciilifeform: dram, rather.
mircea_popescu: i dunno it'd be a small bit of emitter.
mircea_popescu: sram in cherenkov, while the cells last.
asciilifeform: that's the tricky bit. also cherenkov has 0 to do with mechanism here, straight charge transfer.
mircea_popescu: its presence means there's fast moving electrons.
asciilifeform: they go ~0 distance ~into~ the solid.
asciilifeform: if constructed properly.
mircea_popescu: nah, fast ion - matter interaction is iffy. they can go a mile.
asciilifeform: beta will go a mile like mircea_popescu will sit down in his chair and go through the floor and into china sea.
asciilifeform: i.e. theoretically -- yes.
asciilifeform: practically -- not.
mircea_popescu: it's calculable!
asciilifeform: aha, so is the chair fall..
mircea_popescu: iirc it was 1-2 meters for .5 c electrons.
asciilifeform: of air.
asciilifeform: and cm.
mircea_popescu: phase velocity of light in water is like .75, so if the water glows blue there's electrons there going > .75, meaning they'll go a few meters.
asciilifeform: ( if it were 'm' : tesla's 'death ray' -- would work. )
asciilifeform: but yes, the taper off to zero is at a few m.
asciilifeform: upstack mircea_popescu had the right notion, though, it is difficult to build a decay rng that does not rot.
asciilifeform: it is one of the two reasons we aren't selling one (the other being, that it is difficult to get even mild isotope, through post office)
mircea_popescu: i imagine some of the best electronics for rng would be satellites. measure it straight in the solar panels!
asciilifeform: now the other, moar exotic, approach, is that you can try to extract mass entropy from background gamma
asciilifeform: (whereever you are -- there is background gamma)
asciilifeform: *max entropy from
asciilifeform: this means GHz counters, in the most obvious embodiment
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: solar panel is not a 'fast' device.
asciilifeform: no good for particle event.
asciilifeform: there is, however, a correct part for this : 'PIN diode.' i have an experimental setup with one. at some point we might offer a fg rng module based on it. but not yet.
asciilifeform: ( now, good q is 'why do this?' and answer is -- 'you get analogue rng that is VERIFIABLE, just like the digital board in fg.' because you can pick up decay from below/above the board !!)
asciilifeform: 1 photon sets off 2 detectors ~equally well as 1.
asciilifeform: if close by.
asciilifeform: if you wanted to be even more clever, could use strictly beta detector, and rely on the fact that the things go in two opposite geometric directions every time.
asciilifeform: at asciilifeform's first (dis)honest job, there was a scintillator counting machine based on this principle.
asciilifeform: (big heavy thing, with msdos box attached, no less.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636903 << old sovj0ke: 'flyer hangs on barrack door in buchenvald: 'tonight: DISCOTHEQUE! machine gunner Hans will play his two new disks !'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 02:19 mircea_popescu: leaving aside that if you got to meet beria it was all fun and games from there on, the "discotheque" was a thing even for plebs.
mircea_popescu: heh
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1452...9489 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2204446DCBD265FE12EFCBA2E347BD3E6479D9A22D9DC5587F44F5627E1124E << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1683...5917 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '77.108.80.67 (ssh-rsa key from 77.108.80.67 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown RU)
ben_vulpes: $? ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67
ben_vulpes: !? ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67
ben_vulpes: !$ ssh 77.108.80.67 77.108.80.67
scriba: ssh banner of 77.108.80.67 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
scriba: ssh banner of 77.108.80.67 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
mircea_popescu: hi jhvh1
shinohai: jhvh1 is busy terrorizing jews, but said to send you these retro titties: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8kTtv2XcAEqFuR.jpg
jhvh1: shinohai: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself!
mircea_popescu: shinohai nice bitties!
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8jykoQVoAAiH-Z.jpg <<< Someone needs to scrub their grout.
mircea_popescu: is this another columbian chick ?
mircea_popescu: ah nm ukr. i thouight those tiles looked familiar.
mircea_popescu: somebody needs to be blonder, wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/englezu-e-cel-mai-prost-dintre-oi/ << Trilema - Englezu' e cel mai prost dintre oi
shinohai: !~translate en to uk wtf hairy-armed jewishness is this?
jhvh1: shinohai: WTF волохатого збройне єврейство це?
shinohai: Will dispatch posthaste
mircea_popescu: lel
mircea_popescu: actually it gets it rather close, yevreystvo
shinohai: I actually had a Russian camgirl that asked if I was Jew before she paid for services, she said she didn't like jews and wouldn't pay them xD
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: but that's like antisemitism!
shinohai performs service, takes her money, signs off with a hearty "Mazel Tov, cyka!"
mircea_popescu: "To znay: za chest' dolzhna schitat' znakomstvo yunkerskogo khuya!"
trinque: asciilifeform: it occurs to me that v-ports-tree oughtn't *need* USE flags or package.mask ; those are bad solutions to "have a better WoT"
asciilifeform: trinque: expand plox
trinque: I don't expect that there would for example be a diversity of republican emacs builds
trinque: and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot
asciilifeform: actually trinque i know of at least 2
asciilifeform: x11 and traditional
asciilifeform: not everything is a matter of 'ugh, dbus'
asciilifeform: some folx actually have variant use scenarios, and variant hardware.
trinque: hm, possibly. though it's also possible I trust two separate paths down the v-tree for that
trinque: we discussed this for trb openbsd patches
trinque: in castle mod6
mod6: ah, ya
trinque: subject there was ifdef throughout the code vs having multiple branches descending from the point multi-arch began
trinque: often yes having the same patches ground onto each path
trinque: but then the decision tree is there in V instead of buried in the code
trinque: also costless abandonment of branches ; nothing to back out in the vpatched material
asciilifeform: trinque: my last attempt at 'vtronic portage' ran into the brick wall of 'there are nongenesisable items in the tarballss'
asciilifeform: (yes, motherfucking binaryturdolade in 'open sores' tars. e.g., graphics.)
trinque: aha, that problem remains.
asciilifeform: if only it, though.
asciilifeform: the far bigger boojum is that ~95% of the tarballs include megabytes of autoconf liquishit.
asciilifeform: vpatches are to be ~readable~.
asciilifeform: a MB of autogenerated (by whom ? when ? where ? how ? no one knows for certain) liquishit -- is not readable.
trinque: I dunno the existing C world can ever be expected to be fixed in the manner you imply.
trinque: just caught, like trb, here's how it was
trinque: found blob items and all
asciilifeform: hey i deautoconfed gpg's mpi lib 100%
asciilifeform: worx great, even on crapple
asciilifeform: ( lives here, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1533 )
trinque: sure, subset of "world" can be fixed
trinque: and very cool
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me that autoconf was EVER necessary
asciilifeform: it's a 'tv raft'
asciilifeform: a fix for a 'problem' that simply does not exist on a halfway-wellmaintained system.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526720 << thread.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 14:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526632 << this is entirely correct. the 'problem' which autoconf pretends (yes, pretends) to 'solve', is EVIL
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526636☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 03:23 phf: well, since asciilifeform's not here "let them eat nagant! wake me up when less stupid people!"
asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ?
asciilifeform: it is not a mystery that such a thing originated from people with NO concept of hygiene.
trinque: because trying to enable luser that wouldn't be able to say. it's a sort of accessability for the disabled.
asciilifeform: the living mushroom, with his beard having crumbs from 1985 in it somewhere still. and his circle.
trinque: if we're all equal, that guy can get laid too.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:51 asciilifeform: to expand: say your proggy uses, i dunno, pthreads. wants to know where to find the header. WHY does this turn into a MB of scriptolade liquishit ? rather than a 1liner, that tries to find it and if not finds, prompts the user ?
asciilifeform: trinque: except that it doesn't enable anybody -- if autoconf fails to find the headers, you are just as fucked as ever, gotta sit and puzzle out what environment flags to give it so that it has a sporting chance
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you're building for a unixlike, you're stuck with pthreads
Framedragger: yeah that was my conclusion. so, guess will do. mk.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it was picked as example !
trinque: also srsly don't reason with "is bad"
asciilifeform: of 'MUST find header'
Framedragger: suresure!
Framedragger: trinque: not my reason, was satire (bad satire)
trinque: suresure!
trinque: asciilifeform: tried to make accessible is fine by this standard
asciilifeform: i dun see any actual evidence of this 'tried'
trinque: there's caked shit there in the spot; what did you want?
asciilifeform: it is 100% pure beard crumb, no actual rationale involved
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526700 << moar old thread, to avoid reprinting...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-22 13:59 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-22#1526615 << my complaint is that it adds a meg of UNREADABLE and - largely UNTESTABLE (i do not have a VMS box, nor a machine with zsh or ksh, nor do i intend to , and i REFUSE to sign code that claims to run there , srsly wtf omfg) - and that it introduces massive turd, useless language m4, go and learn it, read the implementation
trinque: nah thing appears entirely political, in that it [appeared to have] enabled this maximal user freedom thing
trinque: use whatever libs, whatever userland, and everything will magically work because democracy is a thing.
asciilifeform: dunno that 'it happened because tricked people with promise of Phreeedom'. it happened as a slime mold happens, as mushroom grows -- because it could, and because no pushback.
trinque: "hurd" was supposed to be the culmination of this
trinque: was *entirely* intentional in the way wave of human meat strategy is intentional
trinque: (and honestly, hurd? apt.)
trinque: doesn't discount the beardcrust factor either. "If we maximally shuffle the circumstances around us, surely *someone* will fuck us. Anything can happen."
asciilifeform: trinque: do you recall the linux kernel modules thread ?
asciilifeform: it was an instance of exactly same thing. ANY attempt to paper over 'i have nfi what the user has, let's support 10,000,001 possible braindamages' ends up looking like autoconf.
trinque: sure it does, but someone had to think the user getting to do what he wants was a good thing first
asciilifeform: 'yeah, what if he has an ISA nic from 1993! gotta support'
asciilifeform: trinque: in context, it was either this, or linux dun exist and it's-1995-if-you-want-a-unix-box-buy-a-sun
asciilifeform: pc hardware is liquishit.
shinohai: https://zrcoin.io/ <<< get 5.5% monthly returns from thin air!
trinque: asciilifeform: sometimes wave of meat is what ya got.
trinque: RMS, wrathful old testament god, confuses the language of the people to prevent another tower of Microshit from being built.
asciilifeform: 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc
BingoBoingo: See also just about any small engine powered equipment part other than fuel line
asciilifeform: !~later tell mircea_popescu any idea whatever happened to 'induced beta decay' ? ( e.g., http://www.wmsym.org/archives/1984/V1/89.pdf ) -- the thing with the 'convert forbidden states to permitted with magnetic field'
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( for extra lulz: C-14's decay -- is a beta decay.)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1103...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1103...8343 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
asciilifeform: oh hey hey
asciilifeform: both tropos
asciilifeform: !#s tropos
a111: 26 results for "tropos", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=tropos
asciilifeform: !$ ssh 74.45.0.65
scriba: ssh banner of 74.45.0.65 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.1
asciilifeform: !$ ssh 74.45.0.64
scriba: ssh banner of 74.45.0.64 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.1
asciilifeform: openssl s_client -showcerts -connect 74.45.0.65:443 >>>> O=Tropos Networks/OU=Manufacturing/CN=Tropos Router/emailAddress=support@tropos.com
asciilifeform: etc
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/06A440A299DFAC49B901A7AC5546ADD656BFEBF0914010F1F0983B5481A4BA94 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.64 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.64 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/1882442C346E34C73069FB7ED55D952BCF5B7B1E2FF7FAB9C4337FD173C75180 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1334...8633 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.0.65 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.0.65 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/357944F7083AA4DBA3BB8A7147F19D7F0C299F546964111FC9D2BEB093DDC815 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1203...1937 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '74.45.231.115 (ssh-rsa key from 74.45.231.115 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
asciilifeform: !$ ssh 74.45.231.115
scriba: ssh banner of 74.45.231.115 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_5.2
asciilifeform: ( turns out -- another tropos )
asciilifeform: ( supposedly confessed and patched in 2012... https://tools.cisco.com/security/center/viewAlert.x?alertId=27612 . supposedly. )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636979 << i think the argument presupposes conditions that anticipate the problem, so in a sense it supports what i said originally, while also appearing in opposition☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 12:28 mircea_popescu: phf the main objection to your quiet style is that now i can't discern whether you a) understood the arguments and are thinking about it ; b) simply didn't understand the arguments or c) understood what was said but didn't judge it any kind of argument. express yourself, don't repress yourself!
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not much. magnetic field research is for some reason stuck in 1700
mircea_popescu: has been since tesla's days
asciilifeform: i had nfi that tesla moved it back 200y!1111
mircea_popescu: i dunno he did that lol.
mircea_popescu: he moved it from 1680 to 1700 say :D
asciilifeform: at any rate, mega-surprise, decay via electron capture is susceptible to magnetic field manipulations.
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: apparently it is at least in principle possible to 'burn', e.g., sr-90, in 3 days instead of 30 yrs.
asciilifeform: ( and to use the energy for something. )
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember some guy trying to do something along those lines re nuclear waste recycling
asciilifeform: several.
mircea_popescu: couldn't get a grant.
asciilifeform: aha, works great in demo. but 'nobody wanted'.
mircea_popescu: well no i mean that i actually knew
asciilifeform: it is also, by inference, possible to monkey with archaeological 'dating' via same method.
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone takes carbon dating seriously. outside of the you know, "ring" so to speak. it's a trade secret of the substance and nature of wrestling storylines.
mircea_popescu: "oh, and you're really pissed at that guy ?" "yeah man totally. i hate that guy."
mircea_popescu: "scientific fiction", to mirror legal fiction.
asciilifeform: anybody ever stick a tritium glow tube (ubiquitous konsoomer toy) in, e.g., permanent nmr magnet ?
asciilifeform: ( y'know, these, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606491 )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-25 14:20 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606472 << fwiw you can get ~5T from a halbach array (unrefrigerated permanent magnet)
mircea_popescu: can't say as i have. by the age i was hanging out with the rave sluts i was no longer playing with magnets.
asciilifeform: it'd be pretty simple experiment. take tritium lamp (buy wherever pistols are sold, moneyed folx often use tritium glow sight)
asciilifeform: get a baseline for the light output
asciilifeform: (with photomultiplier tube)
asciilifeform: then put the 5T magnet on. and again same.
mircea_popescu: yeah but.
asciilifeform: theory suggests that the effect will be palpable. possibly visible, even, with naked eye.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1636999 << in theory this is how it should work ; in practice the sloppy git style does not work with the republican sig nuking. it'll just whine that "dependencies". basically, we're trying to get software from where it builds spirogyra strands to where it builds ACTUAL TREES.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:02 trinque: and if some idiot provides a vpatch that enables dbus, you simply do not use his key in .wot
asciilifeform: if you have a thing-walled gm tube, you don't need a 'tritium lamp', even, can use a box of 'diet salt' (where it has K instead of Na, and ~0.01% of natural K is K-40, beta emitter)
mircea_popescu: see also http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform talk about beta ingestion. i bet you the "diet" dorks eat more than shaves off my grinders.
asciilifeform: everybody eats K
mircea_popescu: and ~everything else.
asciilifeform: (gotta keep the ion gradient going, heh)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637022 << yes, to a large degree the usage of the "tools" is more a function of the presence of the tools than of the presence of a need. just like while car is useful item, if you stop $random car occupant will not be able to explain what he's doing.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:46 asciilifeform: hey i deautoconfed gpg's mpi lib 100%
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637039 << he wasn't discussing pthreads per se.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:54 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637034 << i was planning to use pthreads for a prototype thingie for tmsr :( "EVERYTHING IS BAD"
Framedragger: i understand, i just got scared like a little girl
mircea_popescu: lel. ok, this is marginalyl better satire.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637056 << i do believe you have a point, the explanation isn't exactly idiocy, but rather, the fact that in people with no technical ability, the seepage of their political ideas into their practice was unavoidable.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:59 trinque: nah thing appears entirely political, in that it [appeared to have] enabled this maximal user freedom thing
mircea_popescu: and by people with no technical ability i mean the likes of ian murdock or rms. the lot of them, really.
mircea_popescu: (no, noticing a nail and going "oh, i remember hammer can hit nails" is NOT technical ability. a ditzy blonde / bright dog can do the fucking same. technical ability is when you can say ~use x, because no other tool is more adequate here~. that's technical fucking ability.)
mircea_popescu: so in idiots this decays to "what should i do here ?" "uh i dunno, but X is more friendly to our shared delusions of equality, humanism and our democracy!"
Framedragger: didn't rms implement emacs by ~himself? or that doesn't count?
mircea_popescu: are you aware of the substance of that claim ?
mircea_popescu: ie, didja read the history, confront variants from multiple people ?
Framedragger: ^ (i mean the gnu port)
mircea_popescu: ahem.
Framedragger: a port totally counts. however, as to your general point, no.
mircea_popescu: might be a fun weekend project, "establish rms emacs involvement", if you're bored one weekend.
Framedragger: (would be interested to hear someone deny it)
Framedragger: hm, true.
mircea_popescu: make some claims, source the claims, insist the sourcing's balanced, you know, like serious court reporter say.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://ergoemacs.org/misc/Daniel_Weinreb_rebuttal_to_rms.html << see also.
Framedragger: ty
mircea_popescu: #trilema, where homework cheating lives.
mircea_popescu: (i am not, for clarity, declaring he didn't anymore than i'm declaring he did. i personally dun gas.)
phf: well, since already spoilt, original emacs was written by a bunch of different people for TECO and long after rms became maintainer of that. then greenberg rewrote it in lisp (multics emacs)
phf: then gosling wrote a version of emacs for a unix machine, that was used by rms as the foundation for his emacs
mircea_popescu: phf my hm hasn't returned yet. what conditions are presupposed that anticipate the problem ?
phf: the need to not treat the binary as a black box and also the need for non-linear compilation
mircea_popescu: why is what i assume you mean by non-linear compilation presupposed ?
phf: i think the word you used was "unary"
mircea_popescu: yes, but this is not in reference to compilation. it's in reference to user space. i don't expect there's a magical function f, but that there's a plurality of f1..fi...fn, which can all be linear in principle.
mircea_popescu: and i suspect this goes to (one of the) roots of the argument : it is not broadly speaking sane for person writing code to expect that he knows what compiler user will use to produce object or machine code.
phf: well, the plurality makes it non-linear, of course each one can be linear
mircea_popescu: ok, but if you meant it in that sense i no longer see how it anticipates the very problem.
mircea_popescu: (to continue link above : the prb idiocy "oh code is spec" is not invented by the idiots for this occasion. it's universally at the basis of contemporaneous cs, and it's all permeating. it stars with the expectation that you can tell whether the code you wrote is correct BY WHETHER THE MACHINE WORKS. this is utter fucking nonsense!111 appealing to tweens, perhaps, but still nonsense.)
phf: the problem broadly speaking is that our solution to trust is "read the source code", in order to trust compiler you read the source code of the compiler. the trust chain terminates at bootstrapping. you can't "just" bootstrap on an untrusted system, you have to enumerate defensive approaches
mircea_popescu: yes, and the objection to this is that you for some reason refuse the cornerstone of management, which is the differential approach.
mircea_popescu: to try and resolve it : do you believe i could be a successful genovese merchant if i couldn't add ?
phf: i didn't understand previous sentence, so i refuse to be led down a path towards a trap :p
phf: what's the differential approach?
mircea_popescu: where i tell two people to do the same thing and compare the results.
mircea_popescu: i can judge whether an egg is rotten or not without being a hen myself. i can tell which kids aren't worth bothering with though i'm no mother "and i don't understand them like she does" etcetera.
phf: i don't ~refuse~ it, i'm saying that differential approach is ~required~ because there's a problem. otherwise there'd be no need for an approach. i don't think it matters that approach is already presant for other purposes
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: there's no dispute whatsoever then. except maybe for this much : that problem is a problem in the sense thermic death is a problem. always and everywhere without let or respite.
asciilifeform: i gotta object to the analogy with the egg and rotten kid. this is more like 'which of these children will get which type of cancer, and when.'
mircea_popescu: i dunno it goes that far.
mircea_popescu: but to a large degree i can predict what the ailments of the women naked on the floor will be as time withers them.
asciilifeform: there is VERY little that you can say re a multi-MB binturd without spending several $mil.
asciilifeform: and even ~with~.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637072 << this is true. kinda sad to watch too. plagued ~everyone until serious effort got put behind replaceable parts. which, incidentally, is WHY you have things such as http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635839☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 16:07 asciilifeform: 'gotta support 10,001 incompatible but otherwise equivalent shits' is a serious hell. it plagued armies in ww1 ('hey a trainload of ammo just came. but none of it fits our 7 types of rifle, it's all for that 8th'), the sov icbm forces ('we have parts but not for these 4 types of rocket, they are for 5th') etc
a111: Logged on 2017-04-02 07:36 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-02#1635803 << sysco whitelabels, basically.
phf: i think i see why we got on this thread. i was saying that bootstrapping is always a counterparty problem. i missed that that's not the case for fits in head (i think ascii might've tried pointing that out to me).
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's mostly because we're thinking in yet not mutually understood terms.
phf: we were comming from the direction of debian on 10 cds though, so restating my original point: i think bootstrapping can be solved with counterparty as an alternative to fits in head, i.e. i don't mind an approach where in order to bootstrap i get a binary from l1, that i use as a rich subtrate from which i can bootstrap.
phf: that too
mircea_popescu: the adage "trust, but verify" works splendidly when enough people do enough spot checking.
mircea_popescu: the only problem is if they get lazy and turn into fly eyes.
mircea_popescu: but in practical terms, i don't check all the living space all the time. i check random spots at random times and if they're dirty somebody sleeps in a zebra costume. this method keeps the place well clean, and it's how management works. hence the discussion of genovese merchants etc.
mircea_popescu: it goes way the fuck earlier than that, the whole thing with clay stamps and ancient babylonians etc.
mircea_popescu: it's also strictly opposite to the "human rights" imbecility.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the spot check model is, again, wholly inadequate. if you have ONE debianism or heartbleed etc. it literally does not matter worth a shit how 'clean' the remainder of it may have been.
mircea_popescu: and the reason it doesn't matter is because it's impossible not to stumble on the one.
asciilifeform: quite possible.
asciilifeform: a certain drepperism sat for, what, 22 yrs.
mircea_popescu: "spot check model doesn't mater, if there's phosgene in the air you're fucked" "yes, well, i think i might notice the phosgene. by you know, how the gals drop like flies."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sat there.
asciilifeform: this is more of a sarin than a phosgene.
mircea_popescu: definitely noticeable in any case.
asciilifeform: in the sense where, by the time you have any notice, you also have some serious problems.
mircea_popescu: model this for me.
asciilifeform: let's say we find that, e.g., gcc past 3.x embeds an off-by-one-ization in memcpy() , dependant on payload, and that it is triggerable specifically in trb tx processing.
mircea_popescu: ok
asciilifeform: and that we find this AFTER we put pogos on bottom of the sea, and on mars, in cement plinths.
mircea_popescu: we don't put pogos that way. if you recall, i wasn't for it then, either.
asciilifeform: it is the 'sarin' case : finding that you have been fucked, does 0 to unfuck.
mircea_popescu: it is of no concern. we don't own the pipeline so we don't cement the products.
asciilifeform: alternatively, say i find that gpg only ever was able to generate 100,000,000 different keys.
asciilifeform: and enumerate them.
mircea_popescu: for all you know i picked my primes by hand.
asciilifeform: it'd quickly become apparent, neh, whether mircea_popescu (or whoever) did.
mircea_popescu: it would. point remains : no unarisms.
mircea_popescu: yes gpg can generate key. so can you. keep that in mind.
asciilifeform: ^ asciilifeform: 'say a three megatonne bomb falls, you are 1km from ground zero' mircea_popescu: 'ha-HA! i wouldn't be caught dead near ground zero! foiled!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-31#1635192 << foiled.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-03-31 18:09 mircea_popescu: actually i was thinking, im not going to hold another conference, because it's just not a sane opsec proposition. however, one fellow at a time coming down for a week or somesuch is more than tenable. what's airfare, fiddy bux ? pack up the missus an' come say hi.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-24#1617495 << this interested me the other day because my emulated asciilifeform does not approve of mitigations; the model described also can be implemented in meat☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-24 02:36 asciilifeform: veen: let's try a historical angle. according to legend, emperor qin shi huangdi (same d00d as known for taking the 'immortality pill' and promptly croaking) had a palace with 1,500 rooms. and would not tell anyone in advance which one he plans to sleep in on a given night. and which ones he would put cutthroats in, ready to kill anyone who opens door. think 'minesweeper.'
trinque: applies directly to present thread
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu when you were a kid, did the local boys also do the 'well ~i'll~ X' 'battle of wits' thing ? 'tomorrow i'll bring a TANK!' 'well ~i~ will bring antitank gun!' '~i~ will bring battleship!'
asciilifeform: 'who is stronger, elephant or whale.'
mircea_popescu: yes, but i played heroes while they did that.
mircea_popescu: "what is stronger, titan or black dragon ?"
mircea_popescu: (9yo mp actually did these determinations by hand. how about 2 vs 2 ? how about 1+1 vs 2 ? how about...)
phf: well, presumably all this only applies when you have fits in head. otherwise you have to fallback to counterparty
mircea_popescu: i will say, people tend to be amazed at what can fit in a head once proper trees are constructed for the fitting.
asciilifeform: trinque: elaborate plox
trinque: really mircea_popescu already did. "I lost a man using Debian machines today." not only do you know something about Debian, you know something about where he was. maybe not as much as you'd like, but you have some coordinates, and more importantly, if you don't suck, *you* aren't dead
asciilifeform utterly fails to grasp the line of thought here
asciilifeform: you don't 'lose a man' via debianization, you lose -- potentially -- entire empire.
asciilifeform: and entire planets.
asciilifeform: with 0 warning.
trinque: homogenized planets die
mircea_popescu: in related story : i was walking with girl yesterday among this beautiful townlet. off one fence, an explosive arbust sent its POISON RED flowers. i examined it because curious, and decided it's actually some kind of cherry tree ?!?! right leaves, right petals except for the color, everything.
mircea_popescu: so today she asks, "But the question is, if that tree makes fruit, and they pretty much look like cherries... will you try one ?"
asciilifeform: trinque: probably why threads re thompsonism tend to focus on gcc : it is THE failure point
mircea_popescu: "no hon. i'm not the right age for self-testing anymore. that's more of a 16yo thing."
mircea_popescu: the funny part is that i suspect it's entirely lost on her as of yet who's gonna be tasting them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever explain to her who's gonna be doing the falling on grenades ?
asciilifeform: and the plugging of pillbox embrasures with own torso
mircea_popescu: not as such
asciilifeform: id've thought, naively, that they know approx what they signed up for.
mircea_popescu: what was i gonna say, "i know this guy, something-life-form" ?
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: hehe
asciilifeform: 'and today, chicklets, we will learn how to properly jump under a tank'
mircea_popescu: anyway, the fundamental problem is that no one can know what they sign up for.
mircea_popescu: except of course if they're signing up for a job at the walmart.
asciilifeform: 'hey i signed up for jumping under tanks, not for into volcano'
asciilifeform: scam!1111
ben_vulpes: certainty is for sessile polyps
phf: that's not what i signed up for when i was born
mircea_popescu: in related story : months ago, still in argentina, walked with girl past fence with arbust. beautiful white flowers with intoxicating aroma, like nicotiana alata on steroids.
mircea_popescu: so i break one off, smell it, handle it, we arrive at the coffee house, i put it into one of the water cups they serve with coffee. meet local girl, ask her if she knows what this beautiful flower is, she does not.
mircea_popescu: any guesses ?
asciilifeform: oh i remember this
asciilifeform: this was in the logs
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: it was zombie cucumber
asciilifeform: d. stramonia
mircea_popescu: it was 100% datura. enough there for a medium sized book club.
mircea_popescu: (flowers are particularly iffy, in daturas as in most such weeds)
asciilifeform: it ain't sarin, however, does little simply by touching.
mircea_popescu: i was just idly following the sign up thread.
asciilifeform: ( don't eat it. don't bite your nails. )
ben_vulpes: heh
ben_vulpes: so i read a bit about datura, "moonflower, that sounds familiar...hey baby aren't you doing something with moonflower in the backyard this year?" "yeah! it's going to be beautiful" "..." "is this about how daturas are poisonous?" "..." "it's going in on the carport where dog and child can't get to it"
mircea_popescu: mataperros, yes ?
mircea_popescu: where perra is how you call her when she's been bad.
ben_vulpes: both of 'em
mircea_popescu: or at the club, i suppose.
ben_vulpes: ah, no, point is that she's on top of things.
ben_vulpes: "yes honey, beautiful beautiful death, all over the carport"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: iirc there is a famous 'poison garden' in england somewhere
ben_vulpes: neato
mircea_popescu: ic
mircea_popescu: and now i shall leave you for a typical mp ritual, whereby i line up all the shot glasses in the house, fill each with a different kind of mineral water and make the rules that'll dominate purchasing henceforth. brb.
asciilifeform: there was a sign, 'do NOT sniff the flowers', some visitors -- ignored, sniffed.
shinohai: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-April/013981.html <<< Make btc more segwittier ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/g9Lzf << subj
ben_vulpes: oh fuck, "it may be an ideal fit for fundamentally different block designs such as Rootstock and MimbleWimble in absence of decentralised non-integrated sidechains"
ben_vulpes: blither blather hoob hoob gaDORNK
asciilifeform: wtf was 'rootstock'
ben_vulpes: oh whoa that plant tunnel is awesome
mircea_popescu: gah this water sucks wtf.
mircea_popescu: !! key Blazsword
mircea_popescu: !!key Blazsword
deedbot: Not registered.
shinohai: rootstock was the plan to add ethereum functions to btc
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: betcha it's better than the well water south of portland
asciilifeform: and lol, 'extension blocks' ?!
mircea_popescu: that may be.
asciilifeform: this just gets 'better' an' 'better'
ben_vulpes: i do miss one thing about my hometown; bull run reservoir produces un-fucking-matched agua
mircea_popescu: hey, cluj had great tap water when i was a wee tyke.
mircea_popescu: shinohai you mean free btc for daocough ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: surface sources ftw
ben_vulpes: "bull run" is ferociously protected valley on mt. hood; combination of glacier runoff and rainfall on valley in q
shinohai: I have little faith they'll ever actually get a working product, rootstock has been endless blather on reddit for well over a year.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you recall the oglaf with "song of sword and saddle" or what was it
ben_vulpes: shinohai: if they don't have a rep in here, it's vaporware by default
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no?
mircea_popescu: idea men!!1
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://oglaf.com/feral-chic/
mircea_popescu: re "ferociously protected". "we dun need no women on mt hood, stinking up the water supply with their womanly lyes and lures."
shinohai: ^ kek
ben_vulpes: mostly ch2mhill
ben_vulpes: "fixing" things.
ben_vulpes: there are plenty of places to slime hood
ben_vulpes: just stay the fuck out of bull run valley
mircea_popescu: in other #trilema does my homework, can anyone explain wtf a "factory reset" that wipes the hdd would be ? windows speak for reinstall ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a winblowzism typically found on 'dell', 'hp', similar shitboxes, unpacks a new hdd image from hidden disk partition.
Framedragger: (n-gate.com has HN update for the last week of march and it's a riot, http://n-gate.com/)
asciilifeform: (naturally -- nuking existing everythings)
mircea_popescu: aaa
ben_vulpes: Framedragger: solid chuckles
ben_vulpes: > "The Rust Evangelism Strikeforce speculates on when they can move on to shitting up web development"
ben_vulpes: fuck, buddy, i didn't think it could get worse!
asciilifeform: 'Not a single goddamn Hackernews makes the obvious connection to the shit they do at work all day for a living. The tacit consensus: Hackernews isn't bad for creating the tools of surveillance capitalism; Congress is bad for letting people use them.'
asciilifeform: lulzy.
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: that's ok, the salaries have been slimming continuously. soon enough shinohai 's girls will be making more than paul graham's bois.
mircea_popescu: as god intended.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger got a twitter ?
Framedragger: (un)fortunately not
Framedragger: well, old 'dev' account for twitter app (don't ask); doesn't count
mircea_popescu: if anyone does, see if the n-gate dude wants to do a qntra weekly ? he sounds just about right.
Framedragger: oh god n-gate <-> qntra pipeline is so obvious in retrospect, why did nobody think of this!1
mircea_popescu: well i never read n-gate
Framedragger: ok will drop an email to the chap if can find an address.
mircea_popescu: worx
Framedragger: after this wine.
mircea_popescu: i hope latest trilema didn't push you to drink.
mircea_popescu: you're in scotland after all, what the hell do you care!!1
Framedragger: incidentally did eat canonical eng breakfast this morning; i should re-evaluate my life
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, notice THE LEG ? https://68.media.tumblr.com/9ff0aa6b62a82c76eb8eab2e2b6692fe/tumblr_nfp6uoUwc51shcyjro1_1280.png
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i do it occasionally myself.
asciilifeform: http://computers-are-fast.github.io ( linked from the loltron ) <<<>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=300 .
shinohai: dafuq is that thing on the far right in that pic mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: that'd be THE LEG
ben_vulpes: ahaha
mircea_popescu: (old and therefore stupid cunt figured she's too good to go in the mud bare cunt, so she took a dress.)
shinohai: Looks like a half woman/ half grub emerging from a pond full of shit
asciilifeform: i thought it was a 'sack race'
ben_vulpes: pushing a particularly stubborn turd out
shinohai: errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sack races are raceist mkay.
asciilifeform: ( in other lulz, re much earlier thread, https://www.google.com/patents/EP0099946A1?cl=en )
mircea_popescu: wtf was david chapman supposed to have sold for "zillions of dollars" ?!
shinohai: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lsbxPWAAEZDyV.jpg <<< If ur gonna use girls to shill shitcoins on twitter, at least use naked ones.
shinohai: geez
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whossat
mircea_popescu: i dunno, krill at mit in the 80s.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: stock photo or real gurl?
shinohai: I imagine its stock photo meself
mircea_popescu: "Google continues the war against their own users. The XMPP Memorial Society trades barbs about whose fault it is that a misdesigned overengineered shitshow of a protocol failed to gain traction amongst non-erlang enthusiasts. Every single messaging platform in current existence is held up as Obviously The Future. Hackernews tries to figure out what Google's master plan is, and why Google is working so hard to make it look li
mircea_popescu: ke aimless poorly-managed floundering. IRCv3 continues to be a retarded pile of solutions to the wrong problems."
mircea_popescu: shit, i got nothing to add!
shinohai: If it was a real girl they'd have to settle for someone like covertress I imagine.
mircea_popescu: python 3 memorial society coming up soon.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620090 << last thread re 'ngate'☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 17:24 asciilifeform: in other lulzfests, http://n-gate.com
shinohai: In other asses: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8lAhC-XUAAF0tu.jpg
mircea_popescu: Maximum Hackernews is achieved as the sentence "I am too stupid to understand the context of academic research" is expressed as "now if you implemented this as a web app, i'd be sharing it with everybody"
mircea_popescu: "The Muskonauts post their latest launch on Youtube. Hackernews thinks their kids will give a shit whether Elon recycled rockets. The hilarity of Hackernews expectations of the near future is not outweighed by the repetition of the typical Hackernews output on space travel: space is not worth exploring, yes it is, nobody will use this, yes they will, and then six thousand pages of bad economic theory."
mircea_popescu: this guy is fucking talented, it's almost like reading summaries produced by expert sluts! god. he's saving me a lot fo work!
shinohai: I love this one "Hackernews wants it to use TLS, the better to paste passwords into it without feeling bad."
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at burning-things, https://68.media.tumblr.com/3e09593149629679c9849ed70d8f59d0/tumblr_okfx2v5NvY1vj1zedo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: lol, last time mircea_popescu said instead http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1620099☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 17:47 mircea_popescu: honestly i kinda lost interest once it was about shithead news.
Framedragger: one can appreciate the whatever-order derivative, tho / the writing style, yknow
Framedragger: goddamnit, no email no nothing, the satire (http://n-gate.com/about/) is just too complete for its own good
Framedragger blows dust off old twitter bot account and uses some of that gas mask canister
shinohai: The twitter complaints are actually hilarious "Can we stop linking to the n-gate HN stuff? The author's just generically contemptuous rather than having any real insight into HN culture"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, i take a while to rev up
mircea_popescu: hn culture ?! Ahahahaha
shinohai: https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/842766766287740928 <<< full lulzy status from "Sekoority engineer @ Google"
mircea_popescu: if memory serves hearn was also merit washed as "something or the other" engineer at google.
mircea_popescu: pretty obvious alphabet co. maintains a whole department of "usg cover provisioning"
mircea_popescu: !!rate matthrew garret -10 "former klout expert on paul graham". irredeemable shithead.
shinohai: Yeah he was a Senior Software Engineer for the Alphabet agency xD
mircea_popescu: pretty epic ninjashogun.com blog he has, too.
ben_vulpes: midnightmagic: you plan to fix your connection anytime soon?
shinohai: znc is too much necromancy for the lurkers
ben_vulpes: shinohai: the interesting thing from my pov is that he had a stable connection forever
shinohai: Of possible interest to mircea_popescu http://gloriap1948.blogspot.com/?zx=72d308457354f507
shinohai: Lifetime slavery, ftw!
mircea_popescu [tried to] watch emanuelle. holllllly shit pre-internet popculture is terrible.
mircea_popescu: shinohai meh, contracts. how the fuck is this supposed to work.
shinohai wanted to refer her to the Trilema article on the subject of contracts
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck it's lengthy. omfg.
mircea_popescu: how about a new rule : fits in cunt.
mircea_popescu: use traditional lead lettering.
mircea_popescu: we'll leave the "who takes on 50yo new slave" as a question for the ages.
ben_vulpes: shinohai could pimp her out
shinohai: I suppose there was a shortage of youger, more nubile slaves in that particular region of Latin America.
ben_vulpes: sez right there she'd be down
ben_vulpes: there is also some tiny arbitrage opportunity available i must point out; lock up the contract and then sell her off into improper slavery
mircea_popescu: there's just about no way you'll beat the stupid out of her head before she croaks.
ben_vulpes: whore, not slave!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dunno how much you partake of whores, but 50yos usually have to be special ordered.
mircea_popescu: think in terms of that cartoon re final cs class at stanford : "and you are the idiots who didn't get hired in 2nd or 3rd year". same deal, whoring is a fine plan for cut-above-rest 16yo. by the time she's 30 she's either married or too rich to care.
mircea_popescu: 50yo whore is in a ditch somewhere, and her teeth in another ditch somewhere els.e
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in Church Today, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1clidy4n61qbj78qo1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: i register no objections
ben_vulpes: holy mammaries buttman
shinohai: Hail Mary!
ben_vulpes: yeah i have nfi in re proper prostitutes
mircea_popescu: to continue the trend, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqi4h8YRfU1qd0ln0o1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: haw
shinohai: Neither does Atlanta, you should see some of the land whales billing themselves as "High-class escorts"
mircea_popescu: and, of course, http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3jzrbzo9G1ru00mpo1_1280.jpg
shinohai: "What sort of meat does a priest eat on Friday?"
shinohai: Nun!
ben_vulpes: hyu
ben_vulpes: well if we're doing themes, i have my own set queued up
mircea_popescu: lol
shinohai rather enjoyed ben_vulpes doggy selctions
ben_vulpes: in over-fucking-polished-and-is-that-a-vin-i-see's: http://its-about-the-car.tumblr.com/image/159185818055
ben_vulpes: shoot, gave away the game
mircea_popescu: what's a vin ?
ben_vulpes: "vehicle identification number"
ben_vulpes: serial for cars
mircea_popescu: a a
mircea_popescu: so ?
ben_vulpes: well the joke is that there are tits on display and i'm looking at the vin
mircea_popescu: aaand ?
ben_vulpes: "you don't need to have a good car to get tits all over it": http://68.media.tumblr.com/87c0ba72bd3f67142514e6d883499330/tumblr_onvrzukhQt1tpchrmo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: is that a toyota ?
ben_vulpes: mustang i think
mircea_popescu: toyota mustang ?
ben_vulpes: yes
ben_vulpes: toyota mustang
mircea_popescu: i c
mircea_popescu: at least it's not a lexus.
ben_vulpes: oh goddamn it this last one is buried in a megatonne of html horseshit
shinohai: I like #2 best
ben_vulpes: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f1e71c86d20bf8935ec32085b935c7f5/tumblr_onwpv2xCpj1w7wz67o1_500.jpg
ben_vulpes: in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey"
ben_vulpes: perhaps someone else can identify that car
ben_vulpes: "hood fun": http://68.media.tumblr.com/52aa220519517830eec96a10ffd1f1e0/tumblr_onugg85C1Z1urwuzno1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: "too much ego in post": http://68.media.tumblr.com/5d355017cf06f5716d7253345d0f50da/tumblr_onl3z3MtUv1tlqnkvo1_500.jpg
ben_vulpes: "professionals at work": http://68.media.tumblr.com/8163489294f27fca80a9c7280119d48e/tumblr_onl3y8Pgkg1tk43c6o1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: "dat brat": http://68.media.tumblr.com/f44850d8bf7c57953f8e691de289ae26/tumblr_onl3y0ts3f1tk43c6o1_500.jpg
ben_vulpes: and for shinohai: http://68.media.tumblr.com/3c6ea2a713e6524fdbaad1cb6ab932fc/tumblr_onl3yiQs6u1tk43c6o1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: that's it i'm out
shinohai: Nice ben_vulpes I like a classic
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1137.71, vol: 7758.44578561 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1131.987, vol: 8420.27383 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1135.9, vol: 22860.53024689 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1012.623348, vol: 8688.96410000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1135.77, vol: 3348.20348884 | Volume-weighted last average: 1114.54988445
mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170404/#586 << ikr!! obedience hotter than any body part.
scriba: Logged on 2017-04-04: [22:45:47] <ben_vulpes> in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey"
mircea_popescu: in other sad stories, mp goes to very well appointed market, purchases litany of items. notices chunks of discounted cheese floating around in tub of iced water
mircea_popescu: the items were discounted 25% and now had been discounted 75%!
mircea_popescu: mp can not possibly resist buying 75% discounted cheese to find out why and wherefore it might have so offended the locals.
mircea_popescu: mp takes the item home, and over a dish of oyster mushrooms lightly sauteed opens up the TRIPLE WRAPPED!!111 thing.
mircea_popescu: at which point the trouble starts
mircea_popescu: there's no scent whatsoever. at all. no runny. no mold. the hunk of petrocheese is entirely undisturbed, as "fresh" as it was when it left the plant, five years ago or whatever.
shinohai: Is this some of the queso blanco popular in that area ?
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's anything specifically.
mircea_popescu: same thing usg issues, im sure.
shinohai: There is a Mexican lady here that makes best damned queso blanco I've ever had. I've already stocked up on like 3 wheels of it.
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637449 << it's a porsche 911 from the last 10 years. 'tiptronic' trans (you can see the silver thumb paddled on the wheel, which were and are widely reviled)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 22:45 ben_vulpes: http://68.media.tumblr.com/f1e71c86d20bf8935ec32085b935c7f5/tumblr_onwpv2xCpj1w7wz67o1_500.jpg
pete_dushenski: paddles*
ben_vulpes: i never really figured out how one was supposed to shift while turning with paddles
pete_dushenski: depends entirely on car
ben_vulpes: in other ICE news, i got the drift slut sideways a few nights ago!
ben_vulpes: first intentional loss of traction
pete_dushenski: some cars (ferrari) have paddles mounted to the column so they're fixed regardless of wheel position. most others have the paddles fixed to the steering wheel proper and so they all move in unison. it's sort of a different strokes debate.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637461 << funny you should say that, the line around here of late has been "OBEDIENCE IS THE ONLY CRITERIA"☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 23:09 mircea_popescu: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170404/#586 << ikr!! obedience hotter than any body part.
scriba: Logged on 2017-04-04: [22:45:47] <ben_vulpes> in "nothing actually has to be out for it to be insanely hot, honey"
ben_vulpes: to which the smarter of the girls in circulation sasses back with "well what makes /you/ so worth obeying?"
pete_dushenski: to which you reply ?
ben_vulpes: stern glares, and a mark under her name on the whiteboard
shinohai: Simple. Let them think they are in control and bleed all their money.
pete_dushenski: devious, shinohai !
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: remind me, why's her name on the whiteboard to begin with ?
ben_vulpes: more sass, duh
pete_dushenski: aha
pete_dushenski: sounds like sasser's paradise in cascadia
ben_vulpes: the bids and asks are all right there in the order book
shinohai: New mpex security: S.ASS
ben_vulpes: more of a debt instrument
pete_dushenski: in other bids and asks, insurers are slapping safety conscious car buyers with HIGHER premiums. lol as they should. http://archive.is/nUH19 . http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-04#1637487 being the controlling point.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 23:29 shinohai: Simple. Let them think they are in control and bleed all their money.
ben_vulpes: and in other occlusions and hexagons: http://68.media.tumblr.com/ae93737a2c74237e5f555d7a055c90eb/tumblr_onwagxz5dQ1s2jikwo1_1280.jpg
pete_dushenski: werd
shinohai: Space pr0n
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes | in other ICE news, i got the drift slut sideways a few nights ago! << nice! i'm guessing this was on pavement but have you tried gravel drifting ? (it's a ton of fun and the lowest speed way to practise left-foot-braking)
shinohai likes gravel drifting induced by ripping up handbrake at speed .....
pete_dushenski: also works!
pete_dushenski: though most cars of 'drift slut's' vintage have weakly engaging handbrakes unless it's been specifically addressed and repaired / replaced.
pete_dushenski: in other golden oldies, "Warren Buffett’s face will appear on cans of Cherry Coke in China, an attempt by Coca-Cola Co. to capitalize on its biggest and most famous investor."
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/04/hussein-bahamas-advisor-susan-rice-fingered-as-surveillance-to-political-operatives-conduit/ << Qntra - Hussein Bahamas Advisor Susan Rice Fingered As Surveillance To Political Operatives Conduit
pete_dushenski: hopefully they don't skimp on the photochopping.
BingoBoingo: In Qntra submitter guidance: If writing on fake news, Jeff Bezos has owned WaPo long enough to be namedropped as a Fake News Tycoon