tmsr - Log 2018-12-04

mircea_popescu: right ? suppose you found your wife through chain of events thereby started. shall i ask you %q's about wife-finding now ?

mircea_popescu: for what it's worth, chet & i ran into each other on meanwhile-defunct 2d game /me briefly played while being hidden away in a bunker many years ago, to not go entirely fucking mad.

mircea_popescu: yet i am convinced you can play 2d games until the end of creation not unearth me another chet.

mircea_popescu: the encounters of intelligent people always have this mocky flavour, "fuck me, i was sitting here looking for a bitcoin game now it seems i'm going to qatar ?! these people ask the wrong fucking questions!"

mircea_popescu: anyway, for citizens interested in more serious work : i shall prolly delay report making for a few days, because well, this month started with apendicitis hanbot, and i'm not going to force the very pleasant locals to set up their er/surgery hotel with my complicated red boxes.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877995 << it's absurdist, not even clear there's actual structure underneath the form (in the sense of "haha, you thought was structured ? idiot! kek") ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 17:13 asciilifeform: ( loox like it's 1 of those 'haha, he thinks he has courage, let him sit in gulag! see how much courage then!' sorta flames )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878002 << o hallelujah! well so then great, ty Mocky_ & everyone involved, pizarro sitting pretty for once! ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 17:21 BingoBoingo: And the datacenter just sent the statement of account showing receipt of the wires

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 19:28 asciilifeform: i find this intolerable on any box used for anything serious whatsoever, so my c101pa is presently gathering dust

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 19:31 asciilifeform: spyked: it's the 1st one most folx used, given as it was the first vtron

asciilifeform: tho i was able to get a kinda linux on it, it actually went with me to mircea_popescu's c2 as travel comp

asciilifeform: ( to enlinuxize, had to open it and put crocodiles on the eeprom . but iron was flaky, thing sometimes would wake from sleepmode with x11 mutilated , etc )

asciilifeform: i had naively installed 'archlinux' on it, and as result found out for 1st time what systemd was.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:17 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878020 << and also, python.

a111: Logged on 2018-08-21 18:28 asciilifeform: all i particularly care for in re scripting is to obtain a replacement for perl/python/bash where the interpreter is simple (i.e. readable, fits-in-head, auditable, correct)

mircea_popescu: ah right you are, his was a product of "ima try to reimplement to understand this".

asciilifeform: afaik there are currently 3 working ( i.e. with keccak format ) vtrons , v.py ( as patched by phf ) , v.pl ( patched by diana_coman ) and esthlos

asciilifeform: ( there is also phf's www-displaying one, but that one isn't a system proggy or published as such )

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 21:37 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878039 << pretty interesting, plox to post if you end up remembering where saw this orig

a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 04:46 asciilifeform: ('russian i would learn, simply because, it was spoken by lenin')

mircea_popescu: well it's not a scan worth the mention. but they are far from uncommon, most (serious) uni libraries should have really.

asciilifeform: 'AVERTISEMENT. just published. methodus incrementorum directa & inverta, auctore Brook Taylor, L.D.D., & R. S. Seer' << notbad

asciilifeform: 'An Account of what appear'd on opening the big-belly'd Woman near Haman in Shropshire, who was suppos'd to have continued many Years with Child' -- iirc we even had the thread !

asciilifeform: ru pathologists refer to subj as 'wax fetus', can't recall what it is in eng ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( makes sense, the name, thing tends to get pounded flat and acquire a roadkill-like leathery appearance )

asciilifeform: ( could've just as easily been a 3MB djvu, but the derps evidently dun know that this exists )

asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: spyked re http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#fn4 : the "wrong cut" i'm affraid is the baked-in expectation that you (the impersonal you) might "choose" among "versions" of something as fundamental as the db system, somewhere as late in the flow of things as the userland.

auctionbot: Buy order # 1009: 2k wFF Heard: 499.99mn from mats. Ending: 2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 UTC (83 hours 37 mins)

mircea_popescu: frankly stated this is patent idiocy, the decision of whether eg driving on right or on left can not possibly come AFTER one has decided whether they want to go out to pub or disco.

mircea_popescu: so no, there's no such thing as "i want mysql and he wants postgres" possible, there has to be an "use this db system for these reasons" much further upstream. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: this doesn't jive with the current situation, true, but it's in the sense of "healthy domestic relationships do not jive with usg.familycourt nonsense" / "good health dun work with cancer cells present" and so on.

mircea_popescu: we're stuck with paper bridges between pantsuit alt-reality and the construction of republican sanity, which have to be expensively (if temporarily) maintained. the management of the leaking insanity will be a major function of the lordship and overal brain sink going forward, because obviously a bevy of "patch-this-for-that" could at least in principle overburden V conceptually to the point of failure. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: (if at every node there's multiple tree splits, "here's logbot with mysql, here's logbot with postgres, here's logbot with flatfile, then there's ircbot with mysql, ircbot with..." and so on, the point of even having V is lost, the expense of maintaining the chaos rapidly exceeds the benefits of not living in chaos, and we're right back at "only way to do versioning is github". because yes, for idiots, the sort of disorganise ☟︎

mircea_popescu: d minds that produce the sort of crap one finds on github, indeed github's the necessary manner and only way.)

mircea_popescu: that said, yes there's evidently a mysql-vs-postrgres holy war in the brewing here. but i don't think that boil's baked enough for lancing just yet.

mircea_popescu: sad fact of the matter is, mysql works extremely well for one edge of what we do (witness http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-15#1872279 ) while postgres works extremely well for another edge of what we do (witness http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-13#1861669 ). ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-15 02:09 BingoBoingo: On the plus size, I did learn that using MyISAM instead of Innodb actual RAM available on the Rockchip for not MySQL

a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 03:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used a 'trigraph' index, they're O(~n log n) , if yer interested.

mircea_popescu: i suspect some work on trying mp-wp in a postgres environment would be quite beneficial at this juncture, even.

mircea_popescu: not avoidable task anyway, we're stuck pretty much writing a fs anyway, eventually. however, the former is how we build to the latter, so.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878206 << awareness of the letter ʃ / esh would be a great boon, considering it's causing the majority of transliteration errors. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:58 asciilifeform: i dun expect these will ever be OCR'd, hand-typesetted-cum-diagrams newtonola is possibly a bridge too far for ocr.

mircea_popescu: (kinda interesting thing, too -- getting rid of the long s type happened in the middle of that century, and people seem to have regarded it as a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-06#912088 ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-11-06 01:48 asciilifeform: there's also a school of thought where 'notation is worth 80 iq points' and roman numerals are deservingly gone from mathematics

mircea_popescu: lobbes : "<auctionbot> B#1009 O=500mn LB=499.99mn E=2018-12-07 06:34:14.465343 (78h34) >>> 2k wFF <auctionbot> --- end of auction list, 499.99mn total bids ---" << wtf did you do!

mircea_popescu: o shit, it's not him, it's me, is it. this is one of those reverse auctions, it makes sense for lb to go under o, it's not javascriptmaths.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878217 << observe that the nominal idea behind sql -- 'pluggable, standardized db' -- has failed. sorta like 'unix philosophy'. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 06:56 mircea_popescu: so no, there's no such thing as "i want mysql and he wants postgres" possible, there has to be an "use this db system for these reasons" much further upstream.

asciilifeform: ( and yes it is possible to write certain proggies such that they work with 'any sql db' -- sort how it is also possible to write a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875332 . but in the general case -- failed ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 18:40 asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, http://www.loper-os.org/?cat=51 is example of useful (if you will) proggy written 100% in standard cl

mircea_popescu: it's not exactly clear to me yet what the situation is. it's altogether possible postgres may be rescuable through a process similar to how "peculiar linux candidate packaging sterilized into cuntoo". ☟︎

mircea_popescu: it's also possible that we simply end up gutting ye olde lamp stack, replacing the dna and keeping the capsid.

mircea_popescu: all other "technology" wank, from wikipedia to social media to what have you, "anti-nonfree-internet civil society movement" rests on it and naught else.

a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, i'm not arguing correctness, i'm arguing environment fitness. much like "man is the ~only~ biology success". not intended to mean man's a defensible design.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878229 << i could be the only one, but the old-school 'integral sign' s never bothered me. devil knows , there's even worse fonts on the web-o'shit today ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 07:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878206 << awareness of the letter ʃ / esh would be a great boon, considering it's causing the majority of transliteration errors.

Mocky: It's coming along, I'm toughening up. I have a couple dozen new recruiter emails this morning and I only want vodka before I start answering and not hollow point so progress!

Mocky: Expecting to get phone interviews with labcorp and lexis nexis scheduled soon, along with a bunch of unknowns

a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 02:58 zx2c4: haha, was just curious. i presume you're ancient

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878219 << I will say over the past couple weeks the time spent log re-reading recent logs has had to go up ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 06:59 mircea_popescu: we're stuck with paper bridges between pantsuit alt-reality and the construction of republican sanity, which have to be expensively (if temporarily) maintained. the management of the leaking insanity will be a major function of the lordship and overal brain sink going forward, because obviously a bevy of "patch-this-for-that" could at least in principle overburden V conceptually to the point of failure.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 07:01 mircea_popescu: (if at every node there's multiple tree splits, "here's logbot with mysql, here's logbot with postgres, here's logbot with flatfile, then there's ircbot with mysql, ircbot with..." and so on, the point of even having V is lost, the expense of maintaining the chaos rapidly exceeds the benefits of not living in chaos, and we're right back at "only way to do versioning is github". because yes, for idiots, the sort of disorganise

a111: Logged on 2018-09-18 18:22 asciilifeform: this is the other thing, 'changes are expensive' promote imho a sane view of software, where you actually try to perma-stabilize yer proggy, rather than to keep up the classic 'open sores' eternal cauldron of bubbling liquishit

a111: Logged on 2018-11-19 23:11 asciilifeform: the fact that it feels to noobs like 'unnatural acrobatics' is an artifact of writer suddenly having to pay that actual cost of the complexity inflicted on reader. and yes folx whined, just like in ex-ussr folx whined when they started having to pay for mains current .

asciilifeform: as often is the case, the answr to 'doctor, it hurts when i do that' is 'don't do that'

asciilifeform: also must add that, on a machine having the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231 property, 99+% of the use cases for 'db' disappear

asciilifeform: (i.e. you use whatever data structure you like in memory, and it gets 'persisted' to nonvolatile storage as part of sane iron functioning)

asciilifeform: ~if~ yer pushing the very limits of what's physically possible on your iron, as in e.g. phuctor -- THEN is the time to massage/hyperoptimize. not otherwise.

asciilifeform: in almost all extant proggies, 'db' and 'filesystem' are ~both~ 'tv rafts' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 ) ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-08-18 22:32 asciilifeform: 'The situation is somewhat akin to a retarded girlfriend trying to flood your apartment, that not only opens all the faucets and stops all the drains, but also takes the "extremely clever" measure of puncturing the water pipes, so she can then preciously inform you that "turning off the faucets won't help" and you must work with her to somehow create a raft out of your widescreen TV so as to navigate the marshy terrain that used to b

asciilifeform: i.e. ugly hacks around the idiocies of the machine arch, where ram is 1) laughably small 2) dies when power cut 3) poorly impedance-matched with persistent storage 4) persisted 'in software' rather than as reliable function of the iron, resulting in (2)

asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i am considering to actually buy the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1877988 artifact ; cuz i've come to the conclusion that http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 experiment pretty much requires access to a working unit. otherwise asciilifeform risks a repeat of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-11#1624964 nonsense ☝︎☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 16:48 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf loox like dks is selling another! 'ivory' on lulzbay >> https://archive.is/Bkm8E

a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery

a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 00:14 asciilifeform: phf, incidentally, do you know that i blew MONTHS, if you add it up, possibly most of a year of life, sawing open 'snap4' genera in ida ?

lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.

asciilifeform: pretty painful proposition, to pick up a $5k board simply to read off the GALs and xray the pcb. but unless somebody has one to lend for the purpose, i dun see how that dig will ever move beyond 'i have these here 2 ic's' without access to orig ivory pcb.

asciilifeform: and hah, loox like dks is also selling a https://www.ebay.com/itm/Symbolics-XL401-lisp-workstation-with-Genera-8-3/113419020606 ( phf-style machine ) nao . it is not however fit for the experiment, much moar complex board ( given as it's a standalone box )

asciilifeform: 'ivory' board, however ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875835 ) is moar or less exactly the correct item, it's a minimal set of support logic for the chip, and piggybacks on ancient 1980s crapple ( box that's been reversed nine ways to pluto and 100% emulatable today ) for i/o ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:41 asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i did finally turn up a high-res (enuff to read the ic labels) shot of ivory2; http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ivory2.jpg << mirrored.

asciilifeform: and so happens that i've dug up the src for the supporting proggy that talked to it, 5 or so yrs ago ☟︎

asciilifeform: currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim. ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( prolly oughta extend http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878295 with : 'it's on the piratebay iso' , lest anyone mutter 'whisperers' ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 17:25 asciilifeform: and so happens that i've dug up the src for the supporting proggy that talked to it, 5 or so yrs ago

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, in world of ru prison, even worse , 'петух' (cock [bird]) came to refer to d00d who's been lowered into pederasty, resulting in even mention of having at one point eaten chicken being quasi-taboo

asciilifeform: in other noose, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877390 appears to work 100%, no turds in modqueue, fullstop ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 20:04 asciilifeform enhanced the spam trap a little bit

asciilifeform: what it loox like, is that the derps were willing to make N numeric guesses for q#1, and that occasionally fired. but for q#2, none

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878233 <-- ty trinque! processing them atm and will notify you when feedbot is ready to fire up ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 07:24 trinque: spyked: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/E7cUE/?raw=true << feedz

a111: Logged on 2018-12-02 20:01 asciilifeform raged. hence prepared microscope slide with the thing in formaldehyde, for if anyone ever walks in bukovsky to link..

asciilifeform: 'The story was very typical. The famous Roifman who was at the center of the first of the “textile trials” also kept his mouth shut, so that not even the snoopers could talk him round. Then he was summoned to see Semichastny, head of the KGB, and Malyarov, the Deputy Public Prosecutor, who gave him their sincere Party word that he wouldn’t be shot if he gave up his riches. Roifman believed them, handed in his valuables—and ☟︎

asciilifeform: was shot. There were many ridiculous aspects to this form of bargaining. Underground millionaires are reluctant to part with their accumulated riches, but they don’t want to lose their lives either, so they start giving up their gold bit by bit, swearing each time that this installment is the last. But the investigators and the snoopers are perfectly well aware that there is more to come, and they keep up the pressure. “Listen,

asciilifeform: ” they tell him, “the October holidays will soon be here, the anniversary of the Revolution. Give us a bit more for the anniversary and they’ll probably lop a couple more years off.” So he hands in his gold in installments—some for November 7, some for May 1, then for Constitution Day, and maybe even for March 8 (Women’s Day). The investigator gets his bonuses, the snoopers early release, and the millionaire—a bullet.'

spyked: all done. all feeds should be now delivered from the feedbot end. if someone doesn't get theirs delivered, pl0x to poke me.

spyked: next step will be to get this + some of the code it depends on (namely, xml+rss parsers) published.

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 22:24 bvt: lobbes: i am also interested in learning which gnat version/type and vtools leaf was used, and seeing strace output; i thought this error can happen only on adacore gnat >=2017 with a strict libc (which rejects 3-character template)

a111: Logged on 2018-12-03 23:30 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878032 << I actually ended up getting a logbot_command_router-based self-voicing thing working (auctionbot uses it), but it uses the interface-with-gpg method instead of the stash-of-OTP method, and considering we may be moving to a new voice model anyways I did not publish (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1851087)

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 16:25 asciilifeform: in other lulz, asciilifeform's 35th today

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878268 << that's mp's fetlife female cutoff lol. NOT same thing at all. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 16:28 asciilifeform: lol i thought 25 was prime

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 16:54 asciilifeform: in almost all extant proggies, 'db' and 'filesystem' are ~both~ 'tv rafts' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-18#1524864 )

asciilifeform: aha, writing files / db queries really can be seen as elaborate ritual where you sacrifice to moloch and beg the iron to prettypleeez not lose yer bits when cord pulled

a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 17:34 asciilifeform: currently i see the chance that somebody will lend asciilifeform a unit for 'hey lemme pull and waltz the GALs and i'ma give it back to you, will try not to zap it' as pretty slim.

asciilifeform: over the yrs, i've written to a number of folx who have the thing, some 'collectors' , some 'museums' that keep the thing under glass and away from the gold recycling people. but 0 replies. ( tbf, wot problem, they can't readily distinguish asciilifeform from gold recyclers etc )

asciilifeform not terribly astonished that museum doesn't bother to reply to 'hey whydontcha lemme borrow your kohinoor diamond for a spell'

feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/denmark-working-hard-to-move-criminal-migrants-out-of-denmark/ << Qntra -- Denmark Working Hard To Move Criminal Migrants Out Of Denmark

asciilifeform: 'Negotiations ongoing regarding outsourcing to prison in Lithuania' << bahahaha loox like the nato gulag in ro must be full nao

asciilifeform: 'The prison won’t have to measure up to Danish standards either. “I’m sure they [the criminals] would rather serve in a Danish prison, but there needs to be room for many others,” Preben Bang Henriksen, the spokesperson for Venstre party on judicial issues, told DR Nyheder.' << mega-outsource biz idea!11

asciilifeform: ( iirc in 1990s ru actually suggested this biz model to eu, but for some mysterious reason the latter balked )