deedbot: http://www.dianacoman.com/2017/08/18/primorials-calculation/ << Ossasepia - Primorials Calculation
mircea_popescu: sounds great.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nice going with the 6x +-1 approach
mod6: Those cheddarworst were everything I hoped they could be. Yum.
mod6: I also got 2 sweet italian sausages for this weekend -- may do a bit of sauce, peppers & onions with those.
shinohai: And today's catch netted:https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEz3krqWAAItb5b.jpg
mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley.
mircea_popescu: shinohai wassat ?
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/6QdWu/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other news, venezuelan rum is almost as good as venezuelan cunt.
mircea_popescu: 50 bux a bottle, worth about 5 grand.
mircea_popescu: !!up Birdman
deedbot: Birdman voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!gettrust deedbot Birdman
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 3 by 3 connections.
Birdman: Hello. I'd like to commission the writing of a script that can go through text logs and find certain discrepancies, would be paying in either btc or ecu (eulora coppers), if anyone is interested. I think its a fairly simple thing to get done.
mircea_popescu: be specific.
Birdman: Ah, so i have a bunch of poker hand histories that log from beggining to end the players dealt in, their money, the progression of the hand, and finally the summary. The discrepancy i need found is where the seat numbers dealt into the hand at the beginning are missing entirely at the hand summary, and to spit out the hand numbers where it is found. Some hands that are corrupted will have a "seat256" in the summary
Birdman: so that could be a false positive or that discrepancy but would be of little consequence if those get mixed in anyways.
mircea_popescu: got some examples ?
Birdman: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/x7Y0k/?raw=true
Birdman: obviously this needs to be found as you can see the missing seat also ends up having all that seats contributed money to that hand go missing
asciilifeform: * deedbot has quit (Excess Flood) << waaaat
asciilifeform: in other lulz from spamola box, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/H4p8Y/?raw=true
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DB132BFF6A015262AEA9DEBB8910C90D03534EDDCBAAA0150CF5B45367083F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1315...8217 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (faraheim.raumarik.com. FI)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/79DB132BFF6A015262AEA9DEBB8910C90D03534EDDCBAAA0150CF5B45367083F << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1273...4923 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (faraheim.raumarik.com. FI)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FD3E320923CAC159D4815502DABAB2C1005EBA675E7489EBC41CA6927B20274 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1533...7399 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (davinci.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de. DE BW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/3FD3E320923CAC159D4815502DABAB2C1005EBA675E7489EBC41CA6927B20274 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1443...3913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (davinci.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de. DE BW)
mircea_popescu: Birdman what;s it pay ?
mircea_popescu: "including our policy against discrimination of any kind—this includes banning people from the app."
mircea_popescu: the fuck is that dumb shit, their policy against discrimination is all about discrimination now ?
mircea_popescu: shitheads.
mircea_popescu: this is why you don't want to permit frisco-based shitheads taking over "the world" or any part of it : they'll come up with some dumb shit like that and then you'll be stuck re-inventing cabs or toilets or whatever.
mircea_popescu: keep your community clean of frisco corruption!
mircea_popescu: Meghan Verena Joyce <<
mircea_popescu: who the fuck permits shitheads named meghan to sign their "name" to things anwyay.
Birdman: mircea_popescu to be honest i've no idea how simple or complex the job is, would you give me an estimate?
mike_c: LC_ALL=C /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/bin/bitcoind getblockcount
mike_c: 215500
mike_c: progress!
mod6: nice
mike_c: Birdman - just pick the highest number you're comfortable with. I bet somebody here will do it.
Birdman: then i offer .025 btc to get it done, or 2.5mn ecu
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/16CD68E6CA3E837605B45B0014A46D4A786DE31C8CCD8BA7FC9F1E4C7FD87F82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1667...4639 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (m26s01.vlinux.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/16CD68E6CA3E837605B45B0014A46D4A786DE31C8CCD8BA7FC9F1E4C7FD87F82 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1564...5317 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (m26s01.vlinux.de. DE)
shinohai: sweet mike_c
asciilifeform: .025 << holy mother of fuq
mike_c: shinohai - i am hoping the speed does not go down exponentially with the blockcount going up.
asciilifeform: that's what, a monkeystani hundy
mike_c: it's less than a goat!
asciilifeform: mike_c: first 250kblox are what, 1G
asciilifeform: so it sure will go slower.
mike_c: slower, yes, but i am hoping not like this takes weeks.
mod6: months
mircea_popescu: Birdman i have no idea, but we'll see.
mike_c: shut up! to sync? months?
mircea_popescu: ayup midnightmagic
mircea_popescu: mike_c i mean
asciilifeform: mike_c: count on at least 2wks ( supposing you're syncing from 'wild' net )
mircea_popescu is seriously considering kicking/banning ramoras that get in the way of autocomplete. no fucking way i'm hitting tab twice becauser random dork thinks he's getting before mike_c. name yourselves ZZZimashithead instead eh.
asciilifeform: ^^^
mike_c: hehe. <insert link to mp's post about domain names most important characteristic is unique prefix>
asciilifeform has awaited this delish moment for long time
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you hit on it tons trying to get to me huh.
asciilifeform: every single motherfucking time
mircea_popescu: yeah. totally needs some solution this is ridoinculous. autcomplete should work by freq.
mike_c: blockchain is what, 150gb? what is this months crap.
mircea_popescu: mike_c how long have you been away!
mircea_popescu: there's portions that take >1 minute to verify.
mike_c: ah
mircea_popescu: anyway, do birdman's thing will you ?
mike_c: i'm not doing it for .0000025 btc, but I'll do it for free.
asciilifeform: not only that, but the sync mechanism is still same as it was in 2011 -- thing speaks to 1 node at a time, selected at ~random, and if the other end is a tard it can loop theoretically forever
mircea_popescu: works too.
Birdman: what, did i really over shoot that price? lol
mike_c: no, you did not.
mircea_popescu: Birdman superficially it works like 1/4 hour py script, but what do i know.
mike_c: but link to the hand dump or something
mircea_popescu: slso, i can't stop drinking this rum.
mircea_popescu: if this keeps on i'll be drunk in a day or two.
Birdman: hand dump?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do the pets get... grog ?
mircea_popescu: Birdman the datafile you want processed.
mike_c: yeah, you have some big gz of these hands you want parsed?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one's out looking for ghirls the other's out with a tummy ache the thirds...
mircea_popescu: everyone's out. im alone with the bottle.
mircea_popescu: and oyu.
Birdman: the idea was to get a script i could run on everyone else's hand histories in the future, right now i only have one person's, is that something that can be done or should i wait and get together everything i need processed?
asciilifeform: 'better the bottle in front of me, than the frontal lobotomy' (tm)(r)(usa)
mircea_popescu: Birdman give out a large enough datapile the script can be made, then you can run it over your grandma.
mike_c: oh. well, without a bunch of hands it will fail due to lack of examples.
Birdman: ah nice, she'll enjoy that. does google docs link to compressed file of data work?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's put it this way, i don't miss my native alcohol.
mike_c: sure
Birdman: kk, there are multiple games that will have slightly different info but far as it goes i think if it works on one it works on all. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxJVxgh4RQyoenBUc3VsNzh5Qzg/view
asciilifeform: asciilifeform also has (surprisingly, for where he is) decent rum. from, i shit thee not, a distillery that opened across the street .
mircea_popescu: or let's put it another way : if/when someone finally shows up we're gonna do a rum night instead of the argentine chocolates thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gtfo, you grow sugar cane in washington dee-shit ?
asciilifeform: delaware
mircea_popescu: i'd jhave thought it's too col.d
asciilifeform: they prolly don't get 5 harvests a year. but things grow.
asciilifeform: fields everywhere.
mircea_popescu: there's no way it's centroamerica competitive.
mircea_popescu: you just like it becaus4 you campari it to bacardi.
mircea_popescu: i drank roadwork tar better than bacardi.
asciilifeform: yea i have lathe chuck cleaner better than...
mircea_popescu: sadly haiti got washed out to sea so i'll never really know, but as far as i know i am the master of all rum.
asciilifeform: but noshit this little distillery ( i saw the pot, it ain't much bigger than the ones featured in meth arrest photos ) serves only the nowhere town in which it lives.
mircea_popescu: it even comes in cute pirate-like bottles!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but rum has to be aged!
mircea_popescu: this is 22 yo!
mircea_popescu: older than some hos!
asciilifeform tentatively impressed, looks fwd to taste
mircea_popescu: !#google rum diplomatico reserva exclusiva
mircea_popescu: i totally feel like a civ2 diplomat guy, with the sash and errythang.
asciilifeform: lol!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i totally feel like a civ2 diplomat guy, with the sash and errythang. << Don't forget to edit rules.txt
mircea_popescu: lol
BingoBoingo always set roads and rivers to 1/5 of a turn instead of 1/3
asciilifeform: speaking of subj, but also of open sores, anybody ever played 'freeciv' ?
mircea_popescu: for like half an hour
asciilifeform: i actually met a d00d who took to it
mircea_popescu: did he move up to it from battle of wesnoth ?
asciilifeform: not afaik
BingoBoingo: Freeciv map premises suck "equality of continent"
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all the opensores games from the 2000s suffered from ineptly bad interfaces.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: generally because 0 artists involved
asciilifeform: 'programmer art'
mircea_popescu: not just the art. wesnoth thing is fine example. apparently someone's idea of "fun" and "playing" is... click through list in cycles.
mircea_popescu: o look, gna! closed down
asciilifeform: waiwat
mircea_popescu: gna.org
mircea_popescu: so freeciv moved to github. ra ra ra america!
asciilifeform: oh that gna
mircea_popescu: yes
asciilifeform: iirc was announced in '16 , that it will die
mircea_popescu: possibly. i really didn't follow.
asciilifeform: 'not needed' or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: github, cloudflare, airbnb, uber, what more could you need.
mircea_popescu: anyway. bbl, rum.
mod6: l8r
phf: !#seen Framedragger
a111: 2017-07-16 <Framedragger> yeah.
phf: (no particular reason, just haven't seen him speak for a while)
asciilifeform: iirc he mentioned moving to yet new cuntry again
asciilifeform: fwiw his box worx
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4255.0, vol: 14983.63813301 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4242.2, vol: 40968.03268366 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4344.950498, vol: 24748.30660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4274.389, vol: 8210.35432827 | Volume-weighted last average: 4275.93032619
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/trezor-others-affected-by-fault-injection-may-leak-keys/ << Qntra - Trezor, Others Affected By "Fault Injection" – May Leak Keys
ben_vulpes: "As soon as you connect your Trezor to a power source such as a computer, without entering any PIN codes or opening any websites, the Trezor device firmware by itself fills the SRAM with all your sensitive secret information."
ben_vulpes: lolchoice
mircea_popescu: iirc we said trezor is not to be used cca 2015./
ben_vulpes: highly specifically diddleable
ben_vulpes: heh specific diddleability
mircea_popescu: aka pos.
ben_vulpes: hey, i ain't defending it!
mircea_popescu: how's cascadia going btw ? teeny hos switchign to the "alt-right" aesthetic yet or still with the flipfops an' pantsuit ?
ben_vulpes: last i checked the intersectional feminism was thick and masculinity toxic
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: is that last checked like 2015 ?
ben_vulpes: dude the contemporary inanities are even worse
ben_vulpes: "no sapiosexuals"
mircea_popescu: le suck.
ben_vulpes: "no nazis"
mircea_popescu: what's a sapiosexual
ben_vulpes: some signal i can't be arsed to parse
ben_vulpes: surface level supposed to convey "turned on by smart gurls" i think?
mircea_popescu: apparently huh.
mircea_popescu: wtf is this supposed to mean, "smart gurls"
ben_vulpes: probably also means can't fuck
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/08/blockchain-info-huffs-fumes/ << Qntra - Blockchain.info Huffs Fumes
ben_vulpes: what i mean or what they might mean
mircea_popescu: "i know i've no chance with hot girls, so i'll settle for you but i don;'t want to eat the downside of fucking bags, so. sapiosexual."
ben_vulpes: i have previously declined to load this particular edifice of self referential horseshit into my head and think i'm going to do so again
ben_vulpes: lol probably that
mircea_popescu: in other shower/elevator mini raves, http://68.media.tumblr.com/72e54c3bd119d36f50cb696bc7a555bf/tumblr_o24ndjBMvA1rayazno1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: FOR ZE LUVV of GAWd, Montrezor!!!
mircea_popescu: mm ?
BingoBoingo: Literally GAW-d
asciilifeform: !#s from:asciilifeform trezor
a111: 38 results for "from:asciilifeform trezor", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Aasciilifeform%20trezor
phf: i believe he's alluding to how tiny that shower is
asciilifeform: 2013.
BingoBoingo: And in history, THE GAW http://qntra.net/2015/04/garza-friends-additional-emails-detailed/
mircea_popescu: phf bathroom will tell you a lot about a man.
mircea_popescu: how many girls fit in the shower ? bidet ? iron rings in wall ? etc.
phf: ah, i was trying to relfect on bathroom equivalent of physiognomy
phf: bidet is definitely an important one, but i'm not sure what the iron rings in wall are for
mircea_popescu: chains.
phf: hmm
mircea_popescu: i can't find the trilema article illustration with the three girls under cold water but inserted by reference.
phf: i like how tropical bathrooms are usually made as a sealed concrete boxes (i guess mediterranean variation would have nice tiles on top, like a greek bathhouse or hamami). no hidden crevices for mold, etc. BUT probably also better for any kind of situation that requires iron rings in walls
mircea_popescu: 4 pillars - no panels lawn showers also great.
mircea_popescu: "you want privacy, go back to your mother."
asciilifeform: re the trezor nonsense -- it's the , what' 8th year of btc, and still nobody made the obvious sanewallet - txmaker runs from rom, and eats privkey when-required via paper tape
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how incentives work.
asciilifeform: flip off switch, and it is same as it came from factory.
asciilifeform: 0 writeables.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : nobody has any incentive to help fucktarded nobody on a stick keep his unearned and unwarranted claim to importance.
mircea_popescu: so he bought btc in 2014. his job is to lose it to his betters, nothing else.
asciilifeform: i thought people sold thing
asciilifeform: for moneys.
mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty.
phf: a festival/burning man equivalent would be one of those "solar shower" bags
asciilifeform: am i in parallel world where trade didnt happen
mircea_popescu: anyone want to share his bbq marinade recipe ?
phf: asciilifeform: koi8-r author died, http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=47037
asciilifeform: phf: koi8 жил, жив, и будет жить !1!!!
phf: he was also one of the freebsd core developers, worked on the original USSR<->world isp, etc. i've seen him couple of times, though never spoke. he was friends with the guy who taught me how to computer, so periodically would show up to moscow state
asciilifeform: seems like d00d quietly naggumed in his bed for some yrs before died, neh
phf: yeah, that's what it looks like :o
asciilifeform: ( consider, freebsd became clangalicious and rngless a while back )
asciilifeform: freebsd circa 2002 or so is still near top of my list for 'what if salvage a unix'
asciilifeform: ( that was asciilifeform's last 'happy' bsd install )
asciilifeform: 4.7 was ~snappy~ on libretto110
asciilifeform: what can i get today, that is...
phf: i wasn't a rich imperialist at the time, but freebsd was quite pleasant on a 300mhz amd, i used it as main os for a long time, until, yeah, 2002 or so. this is also when i switched to mac os x, which was perhaps a mistake. i suspect these people made their own deals with devil
asciilifeform: asciilifeform made it to '07
asciilifeform: after that - gentoo
asciilifeform: i also remember getting hold of a crapple, and naively thinking 'hey, something like sun'
phf: i wouldn't be surprised if Chernov likewise welcomed clang (not gnu!!) and all other kinds of own hole digging, until the overwhelming suckage SUDDENLY manifested in everything
phf: like Sun itself, apple was perhaps also like Sun for a very brief period, until it wasn't.
asciilifeform: for the brief time when it was still competing with sun, hp, zombie of sgi
asciilifeform: ( for commercialunix users )
asciilifeform: no moar than couplea yrs of stevej
asciilifeform: after that - monopoly, full bore microshitism
mike_c: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/T5q4F/?raw=true
asciilifeform: re freebsd -- it was almost a dream, i dum recall even once having the now-daily 'this was made by tards, and they Must Die' feel from it
mike_c: save that to a file called 'whatever.py'
mike_c: and run it with 'python whatever.py /path/to/hands/directory/'
mike_c: !!later tell Birdman ^
ben_vulpes: btw wb mike_c
mike_c: hi ben!
mircea_popescu: it's n ice to have him back isn't it.
asciilifeform: aha!
mike_c: !~later tell Birdman ^
jhvh1: mike_c: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: mike_c bots.contravex.com btw
ben_vulpes was just recalling the c3 memory fragging arguments
ben_vulpes: mike_c's horrified refusal to believe that shit could be so bad
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's tmsr look like from the vantage of 18 months ?
mike_c: some things are good. client is running, bots are working, goats are being shipped.
mike_c: like in all progress, I wish faster.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha! i esp. liked how mike_c didn't hesitate to tell me 'yer wrong: rather, here's different hypothesis'
mike_c: but hey, wish in one hand and do some work in the other
mircea_popescu just got through making goat buttermilkj marinade for cow tongue for girl's barbecue tues. pray for me that it works, because a) they never had cow tongue and b) they never saw diary marinade and generally c) pretty suspicious side glances all around.
ben_vulpes: i swear by yogurt marinades for chickens
mircea_popescu: ikr ?
phf: i can't even think about food, we had guests..
mircea_popescu: what happened ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes good jew, doesn't marinade cow in milk...
ben_vulpes: lol hey i don't marinade cow much in anything
ben_vulpes: my sins against the torah are myriad
asciilifeform: 'do not cook a chix in her mother's milk' (tm)(r)(maimonides) or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: aha.
phf: i ate too much
mircea_popescu: why do you eat your guests phf, that's not respectable or civilised.
phf: but i can't brag, because in the upside down tmsr world, i now find having one girl cooking the whole meal a form of cruel and unusual punishment.
mircea_popescu: why ?!
phf: 3 courses, custom desert, own bread, etc. seems like ~a lot~ of work
mircea_popescu: it's only gruel if all she gets is bitch kibbles from a doggy dish under the table!
mircea_popescu: cruel*
phf: ok that's fair
mircea_popescu: tell her i said that, too, that way i'll know why lanky russian chick i never met is throwing knives at me in social setting later on.
ben_vulpes: was this like an entire days worth of prep that guestbae could not assist with?
mircea_popescu: he dun have guestbae, he's like from the east.
phf: what's a guestbae? :o
mircea_popescu: phf aka soubrette in french. girl who eats out your main bitch.
asciilifeform: aa subpet
ben_vulpes: lol nothing so so. one of the sheguests
phf: ah, yes, we need one of those. i didn't realize they had them in portland
ben_vulpes: you don't want what we have.
mircea_popescu: phf me either, but he keeps pretending as if, so what's it cost to believe.
ben_vulpes: i've none such!
ben_vulpes: slander and libel
mircea_popescu: i thought you said!
ben_vulpes: "you sir, are drunk."
mircea_popescu: im not drunk, im alternately alcoholised.
ben_vulpes: and in the morning i will still be a married man
mircea_popescu: but let us drive the inquiry. why won't we want what you have ?
ben_vulpes: all me to clarify that by we i mean "here", miserable socialist hellhole of the pnw
ben_vulpes: and the "what" that "we" have is, well, you know the haircut that screams "everything offends my delicate intersectional sensibilities" from a block away?
Birdman: mike_c thanks very much! one last question though as im pretty illiterate: i downloaded python for winbl0wz, i save that text in the paste to a text file with name, i run python get the command line, what would i type from there specifically? also do i need to unzip files to run it on?
ben_vulpes: that is what we have and that is what nobody wants.
ben_vulpes: which reminds me, i was in $bezzlecorp's offices the other week and found these hysterical signs in the degendered bathrooms reminding folks to put the seats down.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
mircea_popescu: how fucking dare they. $100 fine + day docked for chick that fails TO PUT SEAT BACK UP.
mircea_popescu: it's a man's world, you're just visiting, okay ?
ben_vulpes: not here, buddy.
ben_vulpes: pantsuit central
mircea_popescu: you're right, nobody wants what you got.
ben_vulpes rests case
ben_vulpes: but hey, the strawberries and cherries are great
mircea_popescu: no, they are not. i just got maraschino cherries in a bag!
phf: what i don't get is why neither party put BOTH SIT AND COVER down, which is sort of the whole purpose of the contraption.
mircea_popescu: phf cover down means "i ate beans, bitch"
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: only maraschino cherries i know come bleached of nature and re-filled with corn syrup and dye
ben_vulpes: the rainiers are to die for though
mircea_popescu: these come from germany (o.O)
ben_vulpes: i had no idea cherries travel well
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you can't beat ro/argentine cherries. for one thing, a gallon is like 8 bux. for the other thing, that gallon is like 5% pits.
ben_vulpes: i was impressed with what little i saw of argentine food that the argentines didn't have the opportunity to screw up
mircea_popescu: myeah.
ben_vulpes: cherries, eggs, steak
ben_vulpes: i don't know shit about horseflesh but they were nice too
ben_vulpes: anything from not-city, i'd hazard
mircea_popescu: crazy thing from c1 (or 2 ? i forget ?) xapo dude was on the way to lavish mp picked restaurant, stops on street to buy who the fuck knows what inedible fast food "because hungry".
mircea_popescu: argentines are broken in the head.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : girl turned her ankle, i had her slathered in mustard. girl now enticingly like bacon.
ben_vulpes: wat
phf: :D
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700054 << 1☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:57 mircea_popescu: crazy thing from c1 (or 2 ? i forget ?) xapo dude was on the way to lavish mp picked restaurant, stops on street to buy who the fuck knows what inedible fast food "because hungry".
asciilifeform: asciilifeform was at 2, and never met sc4md00d
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes best thing for it, what wat.
mircea_popescu: and in other watchers in the rye, http://68.media.tumblr.com/8096161d2455dbb7061487d29f5e688f/tumblr_nbjhidmhhD1tceoigo1_500.gif
ben_vulpes: i had no idea
mircea_popescu: it's either that or lead acetate. which of course you can't buy (anymore)
asciilifeform: lol medicinal pb
mircea_popescu: "sugar of lead"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tru fax. best thing for sprains.
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu have antimony cup in his med chest also
mircea_popescu: fu hater of my encyclopedic medical knowledges.
asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- poorer folx had antimony ~pill~ instead. reusable! )
Birdman: mike_c on windows i think i needed to save it as a '.pyc' which makes it a compiled python file, though it says 'runtimeerror: bad magic number in .pyc file'
mike_c: Birdman - yes, unzip the files to some directory. Say it's "c:\hands"
mike_c: then from the command line, run "python file_you_made.py c:\hands"
mike_c: save it as .py
mike_c: python compiles it when you run it and makes a .pyc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in point of fact you could buy lead acetate pills ("apa de plumb") in ro as of 1980s.
mike_c: I'm off for the night. but above instructions should get you running it.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C75061FBCC2548C93A739AA52D00D842EAE147602EA29A09D76CD8849129F0A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1483...7229 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (203-154-232-19.inter.net.th. TH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5C75061FBCC2548C93A739AA52D00D842EAE147602EA29A09D76CD8849129F0A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1672...1093 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (203-154-232-19.inter.net.th. TH)
Birdman: !~later tell mike_c im getting a sintaxerror: incorrect syntax on line 26
jhvh1: Birdman: The operation succeeded.
Birdman: the incorrect syntax apparently being the second quotation mark here print "{0}, {1}, {2}".
Birdman: print "{0}, {1}, {2}".format(filename, active_hand, player)
mircea_popescu: anyway, to make this matter plain as i suspect it has ample potential for misunderstanding :
mircea_popescu: there are two classes of indisputable facts. one is that yes, lead acetate is effectual against sprains. the other is that yes, lead in any form is toxic.
mircea_popescu: now, the fact is that lead is also legally unavailable today. this is not necessarily sorosconspiraci : orcs with very low passive environmental exposure may very well afford a little bit of lead sugar now and again for a sprain. nevertheles, "civilised" ie overexposed pantsuits can nor afford such a thing.
ben_vulpes: Birdman: i don't see the problem: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/kpaOM/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: for them, any bit of lead is toxic, because thye are already overwhelmend by lead-rich environment. and so for them, it doesn't make sense to use lead acetate for sprains, because the costs exceed the benefits.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't mean the benefits aren't present ; nor does it mean their costs are universal costs. it's just what it is.
mircea_popescu: and no, obama didn't do this. the problem was already manifest two centuries ago, in the sense that it's entirely possible beethoven went deaf (a major early symptom of saturnism) due to drinking wines sweetened with the stuff. which was already illegal back then, but then he was a miser.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C686B012F9E31902E0E0F32E385B84B863CE56CDB6BF46E756277D5BDC64AB1C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1649...0983 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (floss.esle.eu. FR)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/C686B012F9E31902E0E0F32E385B84B863CE56CDB6BF46E756277D5BDC64AB1C << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1650...2019 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (floss.esle.eu. FR)
ben_vulpes: i recall some quality lolz around "poor american blax are violent because their pipes are lead and this inhibits impulse control and intelligence generally"
mircea_popescu: so no, i'm not advocating anyone put lead acetate on his sprain. nro am i implying some sort of evil conspiracy is keeping the good people from the good cures.
mircea_popescu: they're not good cures for them. they used to be, good cures, for other peoples, which they are not. that's it.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's reallly forcing a point. pipes were lead throughout pipe history, all the romans ever used.
mircea_popescu: anyway : mustard has nothing to do wirth all this, still very effective.
ben_vulpes: what's the mustard mechanism?
mircea_popescu: and the fact remains, official usg.medicine has no TREATMENT for sprains, outside of imobilizatiopn and tramadol. which is not treatment.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's never been explained. you know, like paracetamol.
Birdman: ben_vulpes i dont understand, thats just the error im getting
mircea_popescu: (fun fact : nobody has a working model of how america's most commonly prescribed drug (tylenol) actually works. it's been around since nazis invented it. but...)
ben_vulpes: Birdman: well you said it had something to do with the second quote, which didn't make any sense
Birdman: oh i assumed that was the case beacause in the command line it points to that second quote with a ^
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hey on the other hand, i did learn the 'nursemaids elbow' fix the other day
mircea_popescu: oh ?
mircea_popescu: bursitis is not really treatable, outside of the old http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-01#697107☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-06-01 03:06 asciilifeform: 'doctor it hurts when i do that. -- don't do that.'
mircea_popescu: (i could have sworn ~~~I~~~!!! used that story first. alf stealing all my good old country folk stuff!)
ben_vulpes: romping around with kiddo, felt a *click* in his wrist, rapidly sad child who didn't want to use his left arm
mircea_popescu: o nm, it's the elbow luxation in children. i misinterpreted teh words!
ben_vulpes: myeah, that
mircea_popescu: so what did you do ?
ben_vulpes: i went to the doc, doc showed me the various manipulations to effect
mircea_popescu: aha
ben_vulpes: it's a pulling/twisting set of motions
mircea_popescu: like most common pediatric presentation in functional family units, or something like that.
ben_vulpes: "just look it up on youtube if this happens again"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you're going to throw kid around , grab above elbow.
ben_vulpes has obviously been watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IkPPlF-yaE too much
mircea_popescu: lmao!
mircea_popescu: wtf nonsense bs is this
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway, dun let hosptial visit dissuade. kid is made to be thrown around up to the limit of physical resistance / crying. it's good for it.
ben_vulpes: aya
ben_vulpes: monster dog has been excellent for toughening up the tyke
mircea_popescu: o ya.
ben_vulpes: took a skull to the face the other day. black eye and barely a whimper.
mircea_popescu: dog is perfect for up to 10 or so. then can take it riding.
ben_vulpes: now let me tell you about how delicate the personal-injury lawyer's kid up the street is...
mircea_popescu: then after 16 can go fucking.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes brewing up the first white football mvp in like a decade eh ?
ben_vulpes: hah as if
mircea_popescu: it's possible!
mircea_popescu: porterhouse steak each day!!1
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdw3OPEk0hQ
mircea_popescu: beef > chicken shit.
ben_vulpes: yes yes
mircea_popescu: anywya. the proper name for what i mean is bistecca fiorentina.
mircea_popescu: thick cut, very raw, maremmana cows.
mircea_popescu: tuscany ftw.
mircea_popescu: (t-bone is the same thing but thin and to the front)
mircea_popescu: (maremmana is the etruscan word for an auroch)
ben_vulpes: i would like to get a half cow next year.
mircea_popescu: to keep where
ben_vulpes: oh you know, boot of the car
mircea_popescu: don't be silly. whoile cattle is for when your dozen women have their thirtieth child or such.
ben_vulpes: the smallholders who raise them in the area inevitably surround the purchase with all sorts of hijinks. "you will come to the farm and we will introduce you to the herd; you and the rest of the half and quarter-purchasers will have a rollicking good time with your and our children dancing and drinking around the fire until the wee hours. room in the barn for all, plus tents outside if that appeals."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i think horizontal freezer will hold a quarter of an animal
mircea_popescu: but why would you want gray month old meat ?
ben_vulpes: no es un pais pobre :(
ben_vulpes: i am also curious to see how poorly the freeze treats the meat
mircea_popescu: it's perfectly fine if half children's and if still poledancin' hos then girls' too calories come from meat. but this comes to what, 20-30k a week for a young woman with three children, ie about 6kgs ? that's a goat not a cow.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you're more than welcome to find out on own, but freezer meat is for fridjof nansen's fram, not for people living at homr.
mircea_popescu: home*
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes look into steak aging i guess if you're decided to buy cow timeshares.
mircea_popescu: if you must age it, better age deliberately than letting freezer burn do its worst.
ben_vulpes: not particularly decided yet; still curious
mircea_popescu: only time i bought cows in that manner was when making them thief style for immediate consumption\
mircea_popescu: (the burried with coals thing)
ben_vulpes: freezerburn's mitigatable tho innit?
mircea_popescu: like syphilis.
ben_vulpes: mitigable i mean
ben_vulpes: lol what, beefcondom?
mircea_popescu: more like, prayer.,
ben_vulpes: i'll vacuum pack it!!1!
mircea_popescu: there's no way to make a dead hooker bounce as pleasantly as a live one. that said, vacuum pack away.
mircea_popescu: there's certainly merit in helping the smallholders stay in business.
mircea_popescu: also iirc there are places that'll jerky it for you.
ben_vulpes: tru
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/primorial-zoop << CH - primorial zoop!
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699750 <- possibly at the "advanced" level /stream if that even exists☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 00:22 mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> im not drunk, im alternately alcoholised. << It's a lifestyle choice!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700087 << not clear that there is any 'reasonable' dose of pb - mimics ca, and never really leaves the eater☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 05:32 mircea_popescu: now, the fact is that lead is also legally unavailable today. this is not necessarily sorosconspiraci : orcs with very low passive environmental exposure may very well afford a little bit of lead sugar now and again for a sprain. nevertheles, "civilised" ie overexposed pantsuits can nor afford such a thing.
mircea_popescu: it's lead not strontium. anyway, lead is not found in diet outside of civilisation, and microgram does are experimentally safe. so : the first microgram of lead is free.
asciilifeform: 'not yet detectable saturnism' dun mean 'harmless dose'. just as 'not yet acute radiation sickness' dun mean 'lower gamma does 0'
mircea_popescu: but it means EXACTLY that.
mircea_popescu: people and clams alike survive background radiation without ill effect.
asciilifeform: 'just about everybody who lives long enough, gets cancer' is 'no ill effect' ?!
mircea_popescu: like what, catfish ? shrimp ? lobster ?
asciilifeform: they dun live long enough, do they
asciilifeform: ( nor does man live the 200 yrs where background radiation would be the obvious explanation for all of his ills )
mircea_popescu: "just about everybody gets cancer" is the american way, nothing else. "improved quality of life" ie higher density sardine packages at the cost of quality.
mircea_popescu: also the american way.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on occasion they do, there's now and again an ancient fish or mollusc turned up. they don't really die in the usual sense.
asciilifeform: historically background of the seawater was quite low (vs land)
asciilifeform: this is no longer so, and i suspect that the last 200yr turtle has already died.
mircea_popescu: i'm not aware of such disparity (we're not talking km ocean depths here.). possibly died, but i expect through chemical rather than radio toxicity.
mircea_popescu: (fun fact -- lead poisoning is mostly an african reality these days. nigerians lead the pack in topical research)
asciilifeform: upstack -- pb is a cumulative poison. the tetraethyl pb in petrol was , quite possibly , a collective 'few points iq' drop for all of europe.
mircea_popescu: that is so.
mircea_popescu: but hey, at least cars were slightly quieter!
asciilifeform: phunphakt -- private small-aviation still 100% tetraethylpb powered
asciilifeform: even in usa
asciilifeform: the leaded petrol wagon goes right by asciilifeform's house, on its way to the airport
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: ( plastered in osha warnings, no less )
asciilifeform: harsh reality : afaik nobody ever came up with anything like an effective replacement
mircea_popescu: eh get out, TESLA HAS ELECTRIC ENGINE!
asciilifeform: the 1 electric-engined plane that lifted a man, hangs in the museum here, as a curiosity
mircea_popescu: and they're looking into bubberand-powered trains, too!
asciilifeform: ( it was a massive flyingwing apparatus, covered in solar cell, $maxint )
asciilifeform: payload was : pilot's arse
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno man, electric powered balloon not so expensive :D
asciilifeform: let's straight to atomic dirigible!!111!
asciilifeform brb, tea
mircea_popescu: !!up valica
deedbot: valica voiced for 30 minutes.
valica: ty for voicing me, mircea_popescu. I will create a pgp key as soon as I will have something to say.
mircea_popescu: works.
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: hola
mod6: :]
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700026 << in teh morning mp wishes to state that while the harem arrangement, however understood, is not to be discarded out of hand, nevertheless it can't possibly be the correct solution for everyone everywhere all the time. specificity of, you've guessed it, diddling!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:47 ben_vulpes: and in the morning i will still be a married man
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, http://media.iwm.org.uk/ciim5/20/486/large_000000.jpg << cheap central casting extra in san fernando valley preparing to shoot girlname-something-something-SS ? or legitimate majesty ?
mod6: cheap extra
mircea_popescu: umberto 2.
mod6: ah, last king of italy.
mircea_popescu: yea
shinohai: `I wish I had a pencil-thin mustache...`
mircea_popescu: "and nose ridges on my sleeves"
shinohai: I shall defeat that scoundrel Guliano once and for all!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that ain't an ss uniform
mircea_popescu: you don't know how nazi pr0ns go do you.
asciilifeform: dunno that it's even german.
mircea_popescu: it's not.
asciilifeform: not with the eagle.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0DCB1A779F686C1321084D2E0261EE39558AC3590D8CA18BF2DEDFA3FFFEFF4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1352...7939 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F0DCB1A779F686C1321084D2E0261EE39558AC3590D8CA18BF2DEDFA3FFFEFF4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1546...3197 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown US)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is no longer so, and i suspect that the last 200yr turtle has already died. << Occasionally 600 year lobster and 500 year bivalve are still found
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: heavy beasts are bioconcentrators
BingoBoingo: So are plants and kiloyear trees live along with 10-100 kilo year clonal groves
asciilifeform: animals strictly
BingoBoingo: Trees get cancers
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82106CD7C086FB1E5B4C071724F1E3060BD1FDD1F48151F810A8BBC6C858CB67 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1419...0413 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ( IL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/82106CD7C086FB1E5B4C071724F1E3060BD1FDD1F48151F810A8BBC6C858CB67 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1741...8967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to ' (ssh-rsa key from (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' ( IL)
ben_vulpes: in other smart devices: https://twitter.com/nke_ise/status/897756900753891328
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: aaand rsa early spec updated as per http://trilema.com/2017/tmsr-rsa-spec-extremely-early-draft/#comment-122689
mircea_popescu: apparently maffs are hard.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the point is interesting. plants do indeed get cancers ; but because plant cells do not travel in the anima's body at all, plant cancers aren't terribly agressive (so wouldn't normally kill the plant). nevertheless, very valid point, can readily study impact of background radiation on cell division by inspecting the monoclonal grooves.
PeterL: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4VEu5/?raw=true << Tada! I got the reverse mpfhf hash to work.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699750 << I actually have a version of the euler's sieve method sitting in the file I pulled the isPrime function out of the other day when I was calculating the primorial☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 00:22 mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699952 << the other day I marinated some pork pieces in the juices of a freshly squeezed lemon, about a quarter cup of Michigan maple syrup, some crushed red peper flakes, and salt and pepper. Turned out pretty tasty on the grill.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:02 mircea_popescu: anyone want to share his bbq marinade recipe ?
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700048 << we get some yummy cherries here in Michigan too☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you can't beat ro/argentine cherries. for one thing, a gallon is like 8 bux. for the other thing, that gallon is like 5% pits.
mircea_popescu: PeterL wd!
mircea_popescu: PeterL the reason she stated primes as 6k+-1 is because 80% of numbers are divisible by 2 or 3, and it makes no sense to check them.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, e's sieve was erathostenes' in my line.
mircea_popescu: (the ancient original, cut out nth number, everfy 2nd from 2 every 3rd from 3 etc. euler's sieve is "take out a number, multiply the remainder of the list by that number, take out all the items in first list found also in second". which is faster yes, a generalisation of the 6k+-1 thing.)
mircea_popescu: (euler actually came up with that doing the riemann zeta function product)
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a lot of work that went into this "program needs list of prime for initialization" thing back when people still actually put thought and work into computers. see wheel factorization etc if curious.
asciilifeform: ACHTUNG s.nsa customers! all outstanding fg orders SHIPPED today
PeterL: oops, I had the wrong e!
PeterL: I actually meant I had a version of erathostenes sieve
mircea_popescu: a
mircea_popescu: well, they both made sieves.
PeterL: did you take a look at my reverse hash thing, does it all make sense?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the relationship between "unit covering functions", riemann's work and fundamental number (set) properties is one of those things that tend to make people entirely disinterested in "deductive government" a la http://trilema.com/2017/because-thats-just-how-things-are/#selection-259.147-259.253 once grokked.
mircea_popescu: which grokking, admittedly, doesn't happen in 90% of the population.
mircea_popescu: PeterL not yet. but i shall.
PeterL: ok, no rush
asciilifeform would like to see expansion of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699949 when mircea_popescu has moar time an' juice☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think about it along the lines of http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#selection-47.0-47.101
asciilifeform: i dun immediately see how it connects
mircea_popescu: at stage n, when bitcoin exists, curtis yarvin is too stupid to understand why it's much bigger than him ; and the mental efforts of marginal retard are just about comensurate with the sub dollar value of a coin.
mircea_popescu: as things go on, the quality ratchets, and lo and behold : bioscum that was still functional by yest's criteria is no longer apt today.
mircea_popescu: consider how the republic works, it's the same thing : at some point in tmsr history, nubbins could qualify to participate. at some later point, adlai couldn't manage to pass the bar.
asciilifeform: well yes. but how does it help ~us~ that redditus things 'i'd buy some btc but it'll evaporate off my box anyway because no sane wallet'
asciilifeform: *thinks
mircea_popescu: kids who were perfectly fine leisure companions when you were 6 became intolerable drags when you were 10.
mircea_popescu: because at age 6 the difference between you and average had unfolded to a term of x, whereas in a further four years it had unfolded to a further y, x ^ n as it may be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the retard "thinks" is of no consequence in any way.
asciilifeform: as i see it, saner tools lead to more http://trilema.com/2017/the-universal-plan-for-wealth - ing, and faster death for enemy
mircea_popescu: no argument.
mircea_popescu: but there's different bars to 1. hold bitcoin ; 2. productively employ bitcoin ; 3. productively work on bitcoin code ; 4. participate in tmsr.
mircea_popescu: these are all different things. yes the mental bar for 1 should plateau eventually ; but this does not qualify the qualified to 2 or 3 or 4.
asciilifeform: i dun see how anyone might think that it would
mircea_popescu: whereas retard braions leak, because that's the definition of retard, and then mpoe-pr has to pen psas about "hey, retards, you being qualified for 1 and thinking you're qualified for 2 threatens the very fucking market"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, you might not see how anyone might think, but then again you'll be stuck explaining 2012 tardstalk.
asciilifeform: as i see it, redditus buying ( or better, TUPW-ing ) some btc and then throwing his key into /dev/null, is ~also~ a productive-use-of-bitcoin
asciilifeform: but not as productive as not-losing, because disincentivises repeat shots
mircea_popescu: not ~ONLY~ everyone thought 1 means 2, but the same "everyone" thought i'm "arrogant" or w/e, "psychopath" for saying things like "you are not qualified"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the retard does not ever do that. what the retard does is herd.
mircea_popescu: it's basicalyl a blind seeking of hillaries, they herd as a behaviou searching the environment space for a pantsuit to "lead them" into welfare statism.
mircea_popescu: so no, poor people not owing any money is not a problem. it is in fact the fundamental guarantee ~REQUIRED~ by any sound financial system, much like atmosphere is required for auricular function.
asciilifeform: one of the fuels of welfarism is the 0 experience typical d00d has with money-that-dun-evaporate-by-itself
mircea_popescu: as per the ancient "i sold my shares once the soubrette i was fucking on the side started talking shares with the bootblack"
asciilifeform: sane wallet would go some way to curing this condition.
mircea_popescu: i do not believe so.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw I have yet to see even 1 single person cured of their stupidity by the existence of sanity in the world
mircea_popescu: yes, sane wallet would be useful as part of baleen system to extract not-retarded individual somehow unaware/lost among the retards.
mircea_popescu: but there is no education of the human race generally, nor any benefit in trying.
asciilifeform: getting the pb out of the water won't, naturally, wholly cure stupidity. but still worth doing.
mircea_popescu: nothing will cure stupidity but the grave.
diana_coman: certainly worth doing
mircea_popescu is entirely not against doing, but better to do with reasonable expectations.
diana_coman: just nothing to do with curing anyone in itself, that's all
asciilifeform: and at the very least help to kill the various goxes, which thrive on 'i have 100k $usd to buy btc, but not the 500k to keep team of nonwinblowz experts around to refrigerate the btc'
mircea_popescu: nothing will kill the various goxes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~everything~ goes better with reasonable-expectations.
mircea_popescu: they exist for the above stated reason. you understand that before they had pantsuits, they had little figurines they dressed up and promenaded around town ?
mircea_popescu: 1817 sicilians still did it as in 817 and 183 bc. traditional society, which means, they don't change THE FORMS of the stupidity. still dumb as rocks.
asciilifeform: that redditus is dumb-as-rock is beyond dispute
asciilifeform: q was whether less-losable btc 'floats all boats' or not.
mircea_popescu: not that part is in contention. but that this has NEVER changed, nor ever will.
mircea_popescu: some are born to endless night, and just as many today as ever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform less-losable btc does not float all boats, in the exact manner public school literacy doesn't float all boats ; or "Everyone learns lisp" floats all boats.
mircea_popescu: you'll just have a larger load of idiots.
asciilifeform: if that means a 500k-usd btc, what's the problem ?
asciilifeform: let the idiots do what they are good at -- being meat
mircea_popescu: consider the case of mehmed and alt-mehmed. now, mehmed has the historically accurate cannons which 4% of the time blow up and kill some servants. whereas alt-murat has the imaginary alt-cannons which still 4% of the time blow up naturally, and also include a "blow up" button, which, if depressed, 4% of the time blows up in the same way.
mircea_popescu: would you propose a transition from alt-mehmed to mehmed would improve the soldiery quality of the turkish janissary ?
asciilifeform: waitasec -- where does alt-murat come in
mircea_popescu: "less blowable cannons" yes ?
asciilifeform: ( i read ' mehmet, alt-murat, and aht-mehmet '
asciilifeform: )
asciilifeform: *alt
mircea_popescu: sorry mehmet throughout
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: is this a case of 'we have packaged the defective transistors separately!' ?
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: the notion that the price of btc / the fall of constantinople / etc hjave anything to do with this is so much lulz.
mircea_popescu: the dollar at sub bitcent per thousand or per trillion has nothing to do with what the idiots do or what happens to the idiots.
asciilifeform: as it is it is the sane-but-humble folx ( who understand that their winblowz box does not make a reasonable btctron, but haven't 20yrs to live life again to make something else ) who are pushed away. i dun see the win.
mircea_popescu: what matters is whether there's one lord or ten assassinating usg drones etc. not random joe blow. not AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the win is that we don't support them.
mircea_popescu: consider the sad case of djb to see the great win of NOT wasting your resources.
asciilifeform: i dun see the win in the inca getting whatever remains of their labour
mircea_popescu: moreover, your model veers dangerously close to "sane but poor". there is no such thing as "respectable poor". the poor are scum. substantially.
mircea_popescu: if they wish to cease being scum, let them get off windows or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because their labour is worthj a negative sum of money.
asciilifeform: i dun see this universal. consider (they exist) a skilled surgeon, willing to work 'off the books' for btc but he HASN'T the 20yrs to get off winblowz.
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? "opening" code so that blackchixcode can "contribute" "their" ideas is not improving the code. it's actually introducing a cost, of the magnitude of running a free buffett for crack whores.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform fuck him.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the sane-but-humble folx you speak of simply ask nicely and humbly someone who knows better and gather around those rather than "being pushed away"
asciilifeform: i dun see the 'opening of code' here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform great surgeon makes as good a harem slave as any other pole dancer.
trinque: were in rome, eh?
mircea_popescu: we're in rome.
asciilifeform: how many surgeons with 20y of handwork in mircea_popescu's harem ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not an argument. so the surgeon you speak of is either inexistent or too dumb for his own good. what of it ?
asciilifeform: there's plenty. they're 50+y.o. d00dz ~without exception.
mircea_popescu: let them learn teh brass tacks.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this. there will NEVER be such a thing as respectable poverty. it's called slavery, and the poor that aren't slaves are in open rebellion against god, nature, and everything good right and proper.
mircea_popescu: plus ginger and spices.
diana_coman: my understanding is that asciilifeform talks basically of those who are too old to keep up, pretty much
mircea_popescu: there's no saving the arbitrarily old.
mircea_popescu: there never was. let them take the tsar's portrait to their grave and that'll be an end to that.
asciilifeform: i wasn't even speaking of ~saving~ them, lol. but of the notion that their usd piles could end up in btc market rather than going back to inca so he can pantsuitate.
mircea_popescu: the limit to the capital outflows is not the "individual" decisions of the incans lmao.
mircea_popescu: you imagine this is how it fucking works ?!
asciilifeform: as it presently stands, their usd and whatever negotiables, go to inca, just as surely as the mains current goes back into socket
mircea_popescu: i don't believe this view to be factually supported.
asciilifeform: recall the thread that spawned TUPW ?
mircea_popescu: i dun even recal wtf tupw is
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-29#1676200☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo: http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'the universal plan for wealth'
mircea_popescu: ah ah!
mircea_popescu: go on ?
asciilifeform: what's to go on ? i dun see how more wealth (regardless how and where distributed) being in inca-confiscateable form, vs. less, could be a win
asciilifeform: let there be 0.
mircea_popescu: you understand that "inca" is not a thing, yes ?
asciilifeform: nope
mircea_popescu: ah then that's the core of the dispute.
mircea_popescu: let's consider the following lived experience :
asciilifeform: inca is very much a thing -- same thing as the nazi guard who keeps 5000 penned in with schmeisser with just 100 rounds in it
mircea_popescu: at time t (=9th grade) all girls in "community" found themselves in agreement sucking cock is gross. at time t' (=12 grade) all girls in "community" found themselves in agreement only peasant girls don't suck the cock.
mircea_popescu: we shall here call the ideology at time t "inca" and at t' "tmsr".
mircea_popescu: now. what exactly can inca "confiscate" and why ?
asciilifeform: the gurlz are neither here nor there, may just as easily say that 'they were formerly in agreement to be 1.5metres tall, then agreed to be 1.8'
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: inca can't confiscate jack, lol.
asciilifeform: tell that to the folx (e.g. the soldiers paid the iraq bonus, that was retro-cancelled recently) with the 0'd bank accts, marched from 'their' house under guard, etc
mircea_popescu: i am telling!
mircea_popescu: don't deal with inca, lol, it's all dust!
asciilifeform: the gold bar that inca can't take off your corpse, is called btc
mircea_popescu: your idea is very feminine, you know, "i met this crook, and he told me ia cu mustar mimisor ca face bine la ten and that he'll marry me. so i imagined myself practically married. and then he didn't marry me. so he confiscated my marriedness!"
mircea_popescu: what is this, being blonde ?
asciilifeform: i dun follow
mircea_popescu: the whole "inca promise is liquidated when made and therefore when not kept it is confiscation not scamming" is pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing was confiscated because there was nothing THEY HAD!
mircea_popescu: if i promise you a talking donkey and a cunt on your forehead in 2020, and you don't get them, this means i confiscated a talking donkey and a forehead cunt ?
asciilifeform: describing usd as a 'unit of nothing' is a stretch
asciilifeform: today it buys various.
mircea_popescu: describing the masturbation of units of nothing as "buying something" is a stretch.
asciilifeform: ( for historical reasons, but they will take a while to go away, reichsmarks circulated in the late '40s still )
mircea_popescu: and you know i'm right, because soviet distributed goods in the exact same manner, and ppl... didn't "pay" units of nothing for them. and this had no impact whatsoever.
asciilifeform: goods not distributed in a lolmart ( e.g. fg factory run ) still denominated in usd.
mircea_popescu: and you further know i'm right because you're welcome to "buy" the 3 ring binder they have, not the computer you want.
asciilifeform: the cost of wanted-computer is still in usd. sadly.
mircea_popescu: only cuz that's how you think.
mircea_popescu: the little nigerian girl dreaming of a flying pony, barefoot under the banana tree may well be denominated in fucking pula for all it matters.
asciilifeform: it is how the raw material suppliers think. i, working with hands, am not at liberty to get on the atomic dirigible of dreams and think entirely differently.
mircea_popescu: it is very much not how they think, but it is how they speak.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is welcome to convince'em that a btc is worth 100x the units it presently buys. i'll clap.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu amusingly has. nsa made the worst deal in history by you know, buying parts and then trying to sell them as a result.
mircea_popescu: iirc we bought them when dollar was 10x.
asciilifeform: in this light, doing anything whatsoever other than 'hodling' is raw deal.
asciilifeform: ( and btc would then live up to the reputation as strictly pyramidal cock-pulling adventure )
mircea_popescu: yes. but that's not under dispute, the "convince them" part is. they were convinced, and it didn't even take that much in terms of machine gun chains.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: fortunately, there's no kako-nubbins party to argue that hey, as btc price is chiefly supported by the republic, which has a lot to do with mp, it is therefore mp's job to idemnify "the users" as imagined by kako-nubbins for "this loss" resulting from his you know, unauthorized use of resources for purposes not priorly reported to the almightyly important kako-nubbins party!
asciilifeform: that 'philosophy' never really made sense to asciilifeform , even from psychiatric pov -- coin is owner's to blow as he feels like
asciilifeform: shouldn't take much brain, to grasp this
mircea_popescu: no but we're all under a discreet obligation to promote the herdemocracy! everything else is theft and corruption and racism and so on!
asciilifeform: but hey, if mircea_popescu gets haetmail for not propping up btc to 1mil obummerbux per, asciilifeform gets 'you suck, why not derived constanttime gcd yet' , wonder what other folx get
mircea_popescu: anyway, rolling back up this many branched loop : there is nothing to be gained by mentally denominating capital in uniform standard dosidoes, nor by mentally denominating labour in redditard.
mircea_popescu: because usd doesan't buy you anything you actually want ; and redditard can't make anything you actually want.
mircea_popescu: yes they buy and make some things. this is of the nature and substance of clouds.
asciilifeform: take redditard as a container -- why shouldn't however many 'tidebux' he has squirreled away, chase scarce btc in market ?
mircea_popescu: because he hasn't.
asciilifeform: most have > 0 .
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't whatever spare cycles his brain has be used to improve tmsr-rsa ?
asciilifeform: ( many fewer than they think -- but >0 )
mircea_popescu: because... he doesn't have any!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not valid comparison
asciilifeform: brain cycle ain't cumulative
asciilifeform: gold is.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your notion of money is broken in that you misunderstand its materiality.
mircea_popescu: goldbug looks at bar of gold, thinks "value here", you look at benjie think "value here". this is however not so, capital is an abstract not a concrete item.
asciilifeform: mno i get it , on mars it dun buy nuffin
mircea_popescu: not even that, mars.
asciilifeform: but we are not (yet) on mars.
asciilifeform: though approaching rapidly.
mircea_popescu: let us look into this more productively :
mircea_popescu: consider : 1. large corporation, worth 1 trillion. analyst expected profit year end is 75 billion. company beats, makes 76 billion.
mircea_popescu: 2. small start-up, worth 1 million. analyst expected profit year end is -300k. company beats, makes 999 bn 999 million 700k.
mircea_popescu: both these items made the same unexpected billion. nevertheless, in the case of 1 this will be discounted to about a third of its value, resulting in minor share appreciation c.p.
mircea_popescu: whereas in case 2 it will be put at so massively a premium so as to make 2 stock outstanding worth more than 1's.
mircea_popescu: this is because the "same" money is discounted on the basis of "in whose hands it finds itself" -- the 1 people are expected to lose most of it under couch cushions ; the 2 people are expected to take over the world with that scrawny one billion.
mircea_popescu: see the logic ?
mircea_popescu: money is not material.
asciilifeform: 2 would be seen as 'swan' or how did it go, and is not in same class and dun go in same sentence as 1
mircea_popescu: FOR THE REASON that the implicit discount on its money is different.
mircea_popescu: or in the immortal words of some schmuck, "nah. if i give you 50k now i'm wasting it".
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700435 << i mean "999.7 mn" obviously. they both make the same.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 22:43 mircea_popescu: 2. small start-up, worth 1 million. analyst expected profit year end is -300k. company beats, makes 999 bn 999 million 700k.
asciilifeform: no i get it
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: the only reason everyday joe doesn't encounter capital discounts is because a) too small and b) too stupid. otherwise even someone running a small video rental comprehends the difference between accounts receivable depending on from whom, and so on.
mircea_popescu: whjole fucking point of investing, at least in the buffett understanding of it (apolitical, or in his case naively copacetic-political, columbia floating over farmer drawn hills) is to identify the corps with the most favourable capital discounts and to buy those while selling their opposites.
asciilifeform: identify / create, neh
mircea_popescu: obviously the burlington discussion is very much apropos here : http://trilema.com/2015/so-im-going-to-be-a-total-asshole-for-a-moment-here/#selection-921.0-929.476
mircea_popescu: the important parts : spent 200 per share to go from 60 to... 68.
asciilifeform: or the 'what's the roi of a tank battallion' thread
mircea_popescu: that's a 96% discount on capital.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well no, tank batallion is a different story. this is a textile maker, it has no further productive externalities than what it gets for cloth
asciilifeform: same dynamic though, qualitatively -- once you have no textile production capacity, you're stuck in the comical position of trying to buy own uniform from the enemy
asciilifeform: ( where, incidentally, is american uniform made ? )
mircea_popescu: now you understand why inca is no actual problem, nor its redditards worth courting.
asciilifeform: i still think the current wallet state-of-art to be a ridiculous thing.
mircea_popescu: no argument there.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> let them learn teh brass tacks. << everyone has to, ya.
mircea_popescu: yea.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/FjGf5 << in other lulz , usg : 'stop using non-usg-licensed faux-antiusgware'
mircea_popescu: lolwut!
asciilifeform: 'The FBI has been briefing private sector companies on intelligence claiming to show that the Moscow-based cybersecurity company Kaspersky Lab is an unacceptable threat to national security...'
mircea_popescu: ahaha
mircea_popescu: not cisco right ? that's good.
asciilifeform: 'That followed the General Services Administration removing Kaspersky from an approved-vendors list in early July and a congressional push to pass a law that would ban Kaspersky from being used by the Department of Defense.'
asciilifeform: noshit
asciilifeform: ( notice how cisco is 'in business as usual', wholly disconnected from whether any actual people would even conceive of buying from it )
mircea_popescu: anyway, transparend qpq seeing how microsoft is losing the global battle for relevancy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. maybe they merge with mtgox.
asciilifeform: losing global battle << waiwat did somebody cough up a non-phdassemblyline nonmicroshitian comp while asciilifeform slept ?
asciilifeform: because i must've missed.
mircea_popescu: vaguer than that.
mod6: solid l0g
mircea_popescu: hehe
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in this light, doing anything whatsoever other than 'hodling' is raw deal. << there are exceptions
mod6: but mostly, the savings rate far exceeds the yield of capatal allocation; which is obvious. and will stay that way for sometime as fiats -> 0. someday, that'll be different.
mircea_popescu: seems to be obvious and necessarily true, iunasmuch as bitcoin has 100% of the world savings market share and about a millionth of a percent of the world capital allocation market share.
mircea_popescu: just like if on an imaginary island you had a farm that produced all the milk but none of the meat, the return would be mostly in milk and not much in meat.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in reddit lands great productivities per hectare are reported : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsSojyftu04
mircea_popescu: and in better hos and gardens, http://68.media.tumblr.com/1ad1c31690a5432f09b589e6271e10ba/tumblr_nvu3m44KEo1ss5yijo1_1280.jpg
mod6: i aspire to get that periodical