mod6: Those cheddarworst were everything I hoped they could be. Yum.
mod6: I also got 2 sweet italian sausages for this weekend -- may do a bit of sauce, peppers & onions with those.
mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley.
☟︎☟︎ jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in other news, venezuelan rum is almost as good as venezuelan cunt.
deedbot: Birdman voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 3 by 3 connections.
Birdman: Hello. I'd like to commission the writing of a script that can go through text logs and find certain discrepancies, would be paying in either btc or ecu (eulora coppers), if anyone is interested. I think its a fairly simple thing to get done.
Birdman: Ah, so i have a bunch of poker hand histories that log from beggining to end the players dealt in, their money, the progression of the hand, and finally the summary. The discrepancy i need found is where the seat numbers dealt into the hand at the beginning are missing entirely at the hand summary, and to spit out the hand numbers where it is found. Some hands that are corrupted will have a "seat256" in the summary
Birdman: so that could be a false positive or that discrepancy but would be of little consequence if those get mixed in anyways.
Birdman: obviously this needs to be found as you can see the missing seat also ends up having all that seats contributed money to that hand go missing
mircea_popescu: "including our policy against discrimination of any kind—this includes banning people from the app."
mircea_popescu: the fuck is that dumb shit, their policy against discrimination is all about discrimination now ?
mircea_popescu: this is why you don't want to permit frisco-based shitheads taking over "the world" or any part of it : they'll come up with some dumb shit like that and then you'll be stuck re-inventing cabs or toilets or whatever.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck permits shitheads named meghan to sign their "name" to things anwyay.
Birdman: mircea_popescu to be honest i've no idea how simple or complex the job is, would you give me an estimate?
mike_c: LC_ALL=C /var/trb/trb54/bitcoin/bin/bitcoind getblockcount
mike_c: Birdman - just pick the highest number you're comfortable with. I bet somebody here will do it.
Birdman: then i offer .025 btc to get it done, or 2.5mn ecu
mike_c: shinohai - i am hoping the speed does not go down exponentially with the blockcount going up.
mike_c: it's less than a goat!
mike_c: slower, yes, but i am hoping not like this takes weeks.
mike_c: shut up! to sync? months?
mircea_popescu is seriously considering kicking/banning ramoras that get in the way of autocomplete. no fucking way i'm hitting tab twice becauser random dork thinks he's getting before mike_c. name yourselves ZZZimashithead instead eh.
mike_c: hehe. <insert link to mp's post about domain names most important characteristic is unique prefix>
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you hit on it tons trying to get to me huh.
mircea_popescu: yeah. totally needs some solution this is ridoinculous. autcomplete should work by freq.
mike_c: blockchain is what, 150gb? what is this months crap.
mike_c: i'm not doing it for .0000025 btc, but I'll do it for free.
Birdman: what, did i really over shoot that price? lol
mircea_popescu: Birdman superficially it works like 1/4 hour py script, but what do i know.
mike_c: but link to the hand dump or something
mike_c: yeah, you have some big gz of these hands you want parsed?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one's out looking for ghirls the other's out with a tummy ache the thirds...
Birdman: the idea was to get a script i could run on everyone else's hand histories in the future, right now i only have one person's, is that something that can be done or should i wait and get together everything i need processed?
mircea_popescu: Birdman give out a large enough datapile the script can be made, then you can run it over your grandma.
mike_c: oh. well, without a bunch of hands it will fail due to lack of examples.
Birdman: ah nice, she'll enjoy that. does google docs link to compressed file of data work?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's put it this way, i don't miss my native alcohol.
mircea_popescu: or let's put it another way : if/when someone finally shows up we're gonna do a rum night instead of the argentine chocolates thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gtfo, you grow sugar cane in washington dee-shit ?
mircea_popescu: sadly haiti got washed out to sea so i'll never really know, but as far as i know i am the master of all rum.
mircea_popescu: i totally feel like a civ2 diplomat guy, with the sash and errythang.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i totally feel like a civ2 diplomat guy, with the sash and errythang. << Don't forget to edit rules.txt
BingoBoingo always set roads and rivers to 1/5 of a turn instead of 1/3
BingoBoingo: Freeciv map premises suck "equality of continent"
mircea_popescu: i dunno why all the opensores games from the 2000s suffered from ineptly bad interfaces.
mircea_popescu: not just the art. wesnoth thing is fine example. apparently someone's idea of "fun" and "playing" is... click through list in cycles.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: github, cloudflare, airbnb, uber, what more could you need.
a111: 2017-07-16 <Framedragger> yeah.
phf: (no particular reason, just haven't seen him speak for a while)
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4255.0, vol: 14983.63813301 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4242.2, vol: 40968.03268366 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 4344.950498, vol: 24748.30660000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4274.389, vol: 8210.35432827 | Volume-weighted last average: 4275.93032619
ben_vulpes: "As soon as you connect your Trezor to a power source such as a computer, without entering any PIN codes or opening any websites, the Trezor device firmware by itself fills the SRAM with all your sensitive secret information."
mircea_popescu: how's cascadia going btw ? teeny hos switchign to the "alt-right" aesthetic yet or still with the flipfops an' pantsuit ?
ben_vulpes: last i checked the intersectional feminism was thick and masculinity toxic
ben_vulpes: dude the contemporary inanities are even worse
ben_vulpes: surface level supposed to convey "turned on by smart gurls" i think?
mircea_popescu: "i know i've no chance with hot girls, so i'll settle for you but i don;'t want to eat the downside of fucking bags, so. sapiosexual."
ben_vulpes: i have previously declined to load this particular edifice of self referential horseshit into my head and think i'm going to do so again
phf: i believe he's alluding to how tiny that shower is
mircea_popescu: how many girls fit in the shower ? bidet ? iron rings in wall ? etc.
phf: ah, i was trying to relfect on bathroom equivalent of physiognomy
phf: bidet is definitely an important one, but i'm not sure what the iron rings in wall are for
mircea_popescu: i can't find the trilema article illustration with the three girls under cold water but inserted by reference.
☟︎ phf: i like how tropical bathrooms are usually made as a sealed concrete boxes (i guess mediterranean variation would have nice tiles on top, like a greek bathhouse or hamami). no hidden crevices for mold, etc. BUT probably also better for any kind of situation that requires iron rings in walls
mircea_popescu: pro tip : nobody has any incentive to help fucktarded nobody on a stick keep his unearned and unwarranted claim to importance.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: so he bought btc in 2014. his job is to lose it to his betters, nothing else.
☟︎ phf: a festival/burning man equivalent would be one of those "solar shower" bags
phf: he was also one of the freebsd core developers, worked on the original USSR<->world isp, etc. i've seen him couple of times, though never spoke. he was friends with the guy who taught me how to computer, so periodically would show up to moscow state
phf: yeah, that's what it looks like :o
phf: i wasn't a rich imperialist at the time, but freebsd was quite pleasant on a 300mhz amd, i used it as main os for a long time, until, yeah, 2002 or so. this is also when i switched to mac os x, which was perhaps a mistake. i suspect these people made their own deals with devil
phf: i wouldn't be surprised if Chernov likewise welcomed clang (not gnu!!) and all other kinds of own hole digging, until the overwhelming suckage SUDDENLY manifested in everything
phf: like Sun itself, apple was perhaps also like Sun for a very brief period, until it wasn't.
mike_c: save that to a file called 'whatever.py'
mike_c: and run it with 'python whatever.py /path/to/hands/directory/'
mike_c: !!later tell Birdman ^
mike_c: !~later tell Birdman ^
jhvh1: mike_c: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes was just recalling the c3 memory fragging arguments
ben_vulpes: mike_c's horrified refusal to believe that shit could be so bad
mircea_popescu: mike_c what's tmsr look like from the vantage of 18 months ?
mike_c: some things are good. client is running, bots are working, goats are being shipped.
mike_c: like in all progress, I wish faster.
mike_c: but hey, wish in one hand and do some work in the other
mircea_popescu just got through making goat buttermilkj marinade for cow tongue for girl's barbecue tues. pray for me that it works, because a) they never had cow tongue and b) they never saw diary marinade and generally c) pretty suspicious side glances all around.
ben_vulpes: i swear by yogurt marinades for chickens
phf: i can't even think about food, we had guests..
ben_vulpes: lol hey i don't marinade cow much in anything
mircea_popescu: why do you eat your guests phf, that's not respectable or civilised.
phf: but i can't brag, because in the upside down tmsr world, i now find having one girl cooking the whole meal a form of cruel and unusual punishment.
phf: 3 courses, custom desert, own bread, etc. seems like ~a lot~ of work
mircea_popescu: it's only gruel if all she gets is bitch kibbles from a doggy dish under the table!
mircea_popescu: tell her i said that, too, that way i'll know why lanky russian chick i never met is throwing knives at me in social setting later on.
ben_vulpes: was this like an entire days worth of prep that guestbae could not assist with?
phf: what's a guestbae? :o
mircea_popescu: phf aka soubrette in french. girl who eats out your main bitch.
ben_vulpes: lol nothing so so. one of the sheguests
phf: ah, yes, we need one of those. i didn't realize they had them in portland
mircea_popescu: phf me either, but he keeps pretending as if, so what's it cost to believe.
ben_vulpes: and in the morning i will still be a married man
☟︎ mircea_popescu: but let us drive the inquiry. why won't we want what you have ?
ben_vulpes: all me to clarify that by we i mean "here", miserable socialist hellhole of the pnw
ben_vulpes: and the "what" that "we" have is, well, you know the haircut that screams "everything offends my delicate intersectional sensibilities" from a block away?
Birdman: mike_c thanks very much! one last question though as im pretty illiterate: i downloaded python for winbl0wz, i save that text in the paste to a text file with name, i run python get the command line, what would i type from there specifically? also do i need to unzip files to run it on?
ben_vulpes: that is what we have and that is what nobody wants.
ben_vulpes: which reminds me, i was in $bezzlecorp's offices the other week and found these hysterical signs in the degendered bathrooms reminding folks to put the seats down.
mircea_popescu: how fucking dare they. $100 fine + day docked for chick that fails TO PUT SEAT BACK UP.
ben_vulpes: but hey, the strawberries and cherries are great
mircea_popescu: no, they are not. i just got maraschino cherries in a bag!
phf: what i don't get is why neither party put BOTH SIT AND COVER down, which is sort of the whole purpose of the contraption.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: only maraschino cherries i know come bleached of nature and re-filled with corn syrup and dye
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you can't beat ro/argentine cherries. for one thing, a gallon is like 8 bux. for the other thing, that gallon is like 5% pits.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: i was impressed with what little i saw of argentine food that the argentines didn't have the opportunity to screw up
ben_vulpes: i don't know shit about horseflesh but they were nice too
mircea_popescu: crazy thing from c1 (or 2 ? i forget ?) xapo dude was on the way to lavish mp picked restaurant, stops on street to buy who the fuck knows what inedible fast food "because hungry".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: in other lulz : girl turned her ankle, i had her slathered in mustard. girl now enticingly like bacon.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:57 mircea_popescu: crazy thing from c1 (or 2 ? i forget ?) xapo dude was on the way to lavish mp picked restaurant, stops on street to buy who the fuck knows what inedible fast food "because hungry".
mircea_popescu: it's either that or lead acetate. which of course you can't buy (anymore)
Birdman: mike_c on windows i think i needed to save it as a '.pyc' which makes it a compiled python file, though it says 'runtimeerror: bad magic number in .pyc file'
mike_c: Birdman - yes, unzip the files to some directory. Say it's "c:\hands"
mike_c: then from the command line, run "python file_you_made.py c:\hands"
mike_c: python compiles it when you run it and makes a .pyc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in point of fact you could buy lead acetate pills ("apa de plumb") in ro as of 1980s.
mike_c: I'm off for the night. but above instructions should get you running it.
Birdman: !~later tell mike_c im getting a sintaxerror: incorrect syntax on line 26
jhvh1: Birdman: The operation succeeded.
Birdman: the incorrect syntax apparently being the second quotation mark here print "{0}, {1}, {2}".
Birdman: print "{0}, {1}, {2}".format(filename, active_hand, player)
mircea_popescu: anyway, to make this matter plain as i suspect it has ample potential for misunderstanding :
mircea_popescu: there are two classes of indisputable facts. one is that yes, lead acetate is effectual against sprains. the other is that yes, lead in any form is toxic.
mircea_popescu: now, the fact is that lead is also legally unavailable today. this is not necessarily sorosconspiraci : orcs with very low passive environmental exposure may very well afford a little bit of lead sugar now and again for a sprain. nevertheles, "civilised" ie overexposed pantsuits can nor afford such a thing.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: for them, any bit of lead is toxic, because thye are already overwhelmend by lead-rich environment. and so for them, it doesn't make sense to use lead acetate for sprains, because the costs exceed the benefits.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't mean the benefits aren't present ; nor does it mean their costs are universal costs. it's just what it is.
mircea_popescu: and no, obama didn't do this. the problem was already manifest two centuries ago, in the sense that it's entirely possible beethoven went deaf (a major early symptom of saturnism) due to drinking wines sweetened with the stuff. which was already illegal back then, but then he was a miser.
ben_vulpes: i recall some quality lolz around "poor american blax are violent because their pipes are lead and this inhibits impulse control and intelligence generally"
mircea_popescu: so no, i'm not advocating anyone put lead acetate on his sprain. nro am i implying some sort of evil conspiracy is keeping the good people from the good cures.
mircea_popescu: they're not good cures for them. they used to be, good cures, for other peoples, which they are not. that's it.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's reallly forcing a point. pipes were lead throughout pipe history, all the romans ever used.
mircea_popescu: anyway : mustard has nothing to do wirth all this, still very effective.
mircea_popescu: and the fact remains, official usg.medicine has no TREATMENT for sprains, outside of imobilizatiopn and tramadol. which is not treatment.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's never been explained. you know, like paracetamol.
Birdman: ben_vulpes i dont understand, thats just the error im getting
mircea_popescu: (fun fact : nobody has a working model of how america's most commonly prescribed drug (tylenol) actually works. it's been around since nazis invented it. but...)
ben_vulpes: Birdman: well you said it had something to do with the second quote, which didn't make any sense
Birdman: oh i assumed that was the case beacause in the command line it points to that second quote with a ^
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: hey on the other hand, i did learn the 'nursemaids elbow' fix the other day
a111: Logged on 2014-06-01 03:06 asciilifeform: 'doctor it hurts when i do that. -- don't do that.'
mircea_popescu: (i could have sworn ~~~I~~~!!! used that story first. alf stealing all my good old country folk stuff!)
ben_vulpes: romping around with kiddo, felt a *click* in his wrist, rapidly sad child who didn't want to use his left arm
mircea_popescu: o nm, it's the elbow luxation in children. i misinterpreted teh words!
ben_vulpes: i went to the doc, doc showed me the various manipulations to effect
ben_vulpes: it's a pulling/twisting set of motions
mircea_popescu: like most common pediatric presentation in functional family units, or something like that.
ben_vulpes: "just look it up on youtube if this happens again"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes if you're going to throw kid around , grab above elbow.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes anyway, dun let hosptial visit dissuade. kid is made to be thrown around up to the limit of physical resistance / crying. it's good for it.
ben_vulpes: monster dog has been excellent for toughening up the tyke
ben_vulpes: took a skull to the face the other day. black eye and barely a whimper.
mircea_popescu: dog is perfect for up to 10 or so. then can take it riding.
ben_vulpes: now let me tell you about how delicate the personal-injury lawyer's kid up the street is...
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes brewing up the first white football mvp in like a decade eh ?
mircea_popescu: anywya. the proper name for what i mean is bistecca fiorentina.
ben_vulpes: i would like to get a half cow next year.
mircea_popescu: don't be silly. whoile cattle is for when your dozen women have their thirtieth child or such.
ben_vulpes: the smallholders who raise them in the area inevitably surround the purchase with all sorts of hijinks. "you will come to the farm and we will introduce you to the herd; you and the rest of the half and quarter-purchasers will have a rollicking good time with your and our children dancing and drinking around the fire until the wee hours. room in the barn for all, plus tents outside if that appeals."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i think horizontal freezer will hold a quarter of an animal
ben_vulpes: i am also curious to see how poorly the freeze treats the meat
mircea_popescu: it's perfectly fine if half children's and if still poledancin' hos then girls' too calories come from meat. but this comes to what, 20-30k a week for a young woman with three children, ie about 6kgs ? that's a goat not a cow.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you're more than welcome to find out on own, but freezer meat is for fridjof nansen's fram, not for people living at homr.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes look into steak aging i guess if you're decided to buy cow timeshares.
mircea_popescu: if you must age it, better age deliberately than letting freezer burn do its worst.
ben_vulpes: not particularly decided yet; still curious
mircea_popescu: only time i bought cows in that manner was when making them thief style for immediate consumption\
mircea_popescu: there's no way to make a dead hooker bounce as pleasantly as a live one. that said, vacuum pack away.
mircea_popescu: there's certainly merit in helping the smallholders stay in business.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 00:22 mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> im not drunk, im alternately alcoholised. << It's a lifestyle choice!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 05:32 mircea_popescu: now, the fact is that lead is also legally unavailable today. this is not necessarily sorosconspiraci : orcs with very low passive environmental exposure may very well afford a little bit of lead sugar now and again for a sprain. nevertheles, "civilised" ie overexposed pantsuits can nor afford such a thing.
mircea_popescu: it's lead not strontium. anyway, lead is not found in diet outside of civilisation, and microgram does are experimentally safe. so : the first microgram of lead is free.
mircea_popescu: people and clams alike survive background radiation without ill effect.
mircea_popescu: "just about everybody gets cancer" is the american way, nothing else. "improved quality of life" ie higher density sardine packages at the cost of quality.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on occasion they do, there's now and again an ancient fish or mollusc turned up. they don't really die in the usual sense.
mircea_popescu: i'm not aware of such disparity (we're not talking km ocean depths here.). possibly died, but i expect through chemical rather than radio toxicity.
mircea_popescu: (fun fact -- lead poisoning is mostly an african reality these days. nigerians lead the pack in topical research)
mircea_popescu: and they're looking into bubberand-powered trains, too!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno man, electric powered balloon not so expensive :D
deedbot: valica voiced for 30 minutes.
valica: ty for voicing me, mircea_popescu. I will create a pgp key as soon as I will have something to say.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1700026 << in teh morning mp wishes to state that while the harem arrangement, however understood, is not to be discarded out of hand, nevertheless it can't possibly be the correct solution for everyone everywhere all the time. specificity of, you've guessed it, diddling!
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:47 ben_vulpes: and in the morning i will still be a married man
mod6: ah, last king of italy.
shinohai: `I wish I had a pencil-thin mustache...`
shinohai: I shall defeat that scoundrel Guliano once and for all!
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> this is no longer so, and i suspect that the last 200yr turtle has already died. << Occasionally 600 year lobster and 500 year bivalve are still found
BingoBoingo: So are plants and kiloyear trees live along with 10-100 kilo year clonal groves
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the point is interesting. plants do indeed get cancers ; but because plant cells do not travel in the anima's body at all, plant cancers aren't terribly agressive (so wouldn't normally kill the plant). nevertheless, very valid point, can readily study impact of background radiation on cell division by inspecting the monoclonal grooves.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 00:22 mircea_popescu wonders idly if they even teach e's sieve these days. prolly too "high level" math for the "Real world" as imagined by eloy ortiz oakley.
PeterL:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-18#1699952 << the other day I marinated some pork pieces in the juices of a freshly squeezed lemon, about a quarter cup of Michigan maple syrup, some crushed red peper flakes, and salt and pepper. Turned out pretty tasty on the grill.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:02 mircea_popescu: anyone want to share his bbq marinade recipe ?
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:56 mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes you can't beat ro/argentine cherries. for one thing, a gallon is like 8 bux. for the other thing, that gallon is like 5% pits.
mircea_popescu: PeterL the reason she stated primes as 6k+-1 is because 80% of numbers are divisible by 2 or 3, and it makes no sense to check them.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, e's sieve was erathostenes' in my line.
mircea_popescu: (the ancient original, cut out nth number, everfy 2nd from 2 every 3rd from 3 etc. euler's sieve is "take out a number, multiply the remainder of the list by that number, take out all the items in first list found also in second". which is faster yes, a generalisation of the 6k+-1 thing.)
mircea_popescu: (euler actually came up with that doing the riemann zeta function product)
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a lot of work that went into this "program needs list of prime for initialization" thing back when people still actually put thought and work into computers. see wheel factorization etc if curious.
PeterL: oops, I had the wrong e!
PeterL: I actually meant I had a version of erathostenes sieve
PeterL: did you take a look at my reverse hash thing, does it all make sense?
mircea_popescu: which grokking, admittedly, doesn't happen in 90% of the population.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 04:00 mircea_popescu: otherwise what, we'll be stuck in 2020 dealing with legacy yahoos ? noty.
mircea_popescu: at stage n, when bitcoin exists, curtis yarvin is too stupid to understand why it's much bigger than him ; and the mental efforts of marginal retard are just about comensurate with the sub dollar value of a coin.
mircea_popescu: as things go on, the quality ratchets, and lo and behold : bioscum that was still functional by yest's criteria is no longer apt today.
mircea_popescu: consider how the republic works, it's the same thing : at some point in tmsr history, nubbins could qualify to participate. at some later point, adlai couldn't manage to pass the bar.
mircea_popescu: kids who were perfectly fine leisure companions when you were 6 became intolerable drags when you were 10.
mircea_popescu: because at age 6 the difference between you and average had unfolded to a term of x, whereas in a further four years it had unfolded to a further y, x ^ n as it may be.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the retard "thinks" is of no consequence in any way.
mircea_popescu: but there's different bars to 1. hold bitcoin ; 2. productively employ bitcoin ; 3. productively work on bitcoin code ; 4. participate in tmsr.
mircea_popescu: these are all different things. yes the mental bar for 1 should plateau eventually ; but this does not qualify the qualified to 2 or 3 or 4.
mircea_popescu: whereas retard braions leak, because that's the definition of retard, and then mpoe-pr has to pen psas about "hey, retards, you being qualified for 1 and thinking you're qualified for 2 threatens the very fucking market"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, you might not see how anyone might think, but then again you'll be stuck explaining 2012 tardstalk.
mircea_popescu: not ~ONLY~ everyone thought 1 means 2, but the same "everyone" thought i'm "arrogant" or w/e, "psychopath" for saying things like "you are not qualified"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the retard does not ever do that. what the retard does is herd.
mircea_popescu: it's basicalyl a blind seeking of hillaries, they herd as a behaviou searching the environment space for a pantsuit to "lead them" into welfare statism.
mircea_popescu: so no, poor people not owing any money is not a problem. it is in fact the fundamental guarantee ~REQUIRED~ by any sound financial system, much like atmosphere is required for auricular function.
mircea_popescu: as per the ancient "i sold my shares once the soubrette i was fucking on the side started talking shares with the bootblack"
diana_coman: asciilifeform, fwiw I have yet to see even 1 single person cured of their stupidity by the existence of sanity in the world
mircea_popescu: yes, sane wallet would be useful as part of baleen system to extract not-retarded individual somehow unaware/lost among the retards.
mircea_popescu: but there is no education of the human race generally, nor any benefit in trying.
mircea_popescu is entirely not against doing, but better to do with reasonable expectations.
diana_coman: just nothing to do with curing anyone in itself, that's all
mircea_popescu: they exist for the above stated reason. you understand that before they had pantsuits, they had little figurines they dressed up and promenaded around town ?
mircea_popescu: 1817 sicilians still did it as in 817 and 183 bc. traditional society, which means, they don't change THE FORMS of the stupidity. still dumb as rocks.
mircea_popescu: not that part is in contention. but that this has NEVER changed, nor ever will.
mircea_popescu: some are born to endless night, and just as many today as ever.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform less-losable btc does not float all boats, in the exact manner public school literacy doesn't float all boats ; or "Everyone learns lisp" floats all boats.
mircea_popescu: consider the case of mehmed and alt-mehmed. now, mehmed has the historically accurate cannons which 4% of the time blow up and kill some servants. whereas alt-murat has the imaginary alt-cannons which still 4% of the time blow up naturally, and also include a "blow up" button, which, if depressed, 4% of the time blows up in the same way.
mircea_popescu: would you propose a transition from alt-mehmed to mehmed would improve the soldiery quality of the turkish janissary ?
mircea_popescu: the notion that the price of btc / the fall of constantinople / etc hjave anything to do with this is so much lulz.
mircea_popescu: the dollar at sub bitcent per thousand or per trillion has nothing to do with what the idiots do or what happens to the idiots.
mircea_popescu: what matters is whether there's one lord or ten assassinating usg drones etc. not random joe blow. not AT ALL.
mircea_popescu: consider the sad case of djb to see the great win of NOT wasting your resources.
mircea_popescu: moreover, your model veers dangerously close to "sane but poor". there is no such thing as "respectable poor". the poor are scum. substantially.
mircea_popescu: if they wish to cease being scum, let them get off windows or w/e.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because their labour is worthj a negative sum of money.
mircea_popescu: you understand this ? "opening" code so that blackchixcode can "contribute" "their" ideas is not improving the code. it's actually introducing a cost, of the magnitude of running a free buffett for crack whores.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the sane-but-humble folx you speak of simply ask nicely and humbly someone who knows better and gather around those rather than "being pushed away"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform great surgeon makes as good a harem slave as any other pole dancer.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not an argument. so the surgeon you speak of is either inexistent or too dumb for his own good. what of it ?
mircea_popescu: there's no way out of this. there will NEVER be such a thing as respectable poverty. it's called slavery, and the poor that aren't slaves are in open rebellion against god, nature, and everything good right and proper.
diana_coman: my understanding is that asciilifeform talks basically of those who are too old to keep up, pretty much
mircea_popescu: there never was. let them take the tsar's portrait to their grave and that'll be an end to that.
mircea_popescu: the limit to the capital outflows is not the "individual" decisions of the incans lmao.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo:
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
mircea_popescu: at time t (=9th grade) all girls in "community" found themselves in agreement sucking cock is gross. at time t' (=12 grade) all girls in "community" found themselves in agreement only peasant girls don't suck the cock.
mircea_popescu: we shall here call the ideology at time t "inca" and at t' "tmsr".
mircea_popescu: your idea is very feminine, you know, "i met this crook, and he told me ia cu mustar mimisor ca face bine la ten and that he'll marry me. so i imagined myself practically married. and then he didn't marry me. so he confiscated my marriedness!"
mircea_popescu: the whole "inca promise is liquidated when made and therefore when not kept it is confiscation not scamming" is pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing was confiscated because there was nothing THEY HAD!
mircea_popescu: if i promise you a talking donkey and a cunt on your forehead in 2020, and you don't get them, this means i confiscated a talking donkey and a forehead cunt ?
mircea_popescu: describing the masturbation of units of nothing as "buying something" is a stretch.
mircea_popescu: and you know i'm right, because soviet distributed goods in the exact same manner, and ppl... didn't "pay" units of nothing for them. and this had no impact whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: and you further know i'm right because you're welcome to "buy" the 3 ring binder they have, not the computer you want.
mircea_popescu: the little nigerian girl dreaming of a flying pony, barefoot under the banana tree may well be denominated in fucking pula for all it matters.
mircea_popescu: it is very much not how they think, but it is how they speak.
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu amusingly has. nsa made the worst deal in history by you know, buying parts and then trying to sell them as a result.
mircea_popescu: yes. but that's not under dispute, the "convince them" part is. they were convinced, and it didn't even take that much in terms of machine gun chains.
mircea_popescu: fortunately, there's no kako-nubbins party to argue that hey, as btc price is chiefly supported by the republic, which has a lot to do with mp, it is therefore mp's job to idemnify "the users" as imagined by kako-nubbins for "this loss" resulting from his you know, unauthorized use of resources for purposes not priorly reported to the almightyly important kako-nubbins party!
mircea_popescu: no but we're all under a discreet obligation to promote the herdemocracy! everything else is theft and corruption and racism and so on!
mircea_popescu: anyway, rolling back up this many branched loop : there is nothing to be gained by mentally denominating capital in uniform standard dosidoes, nor by mentally denominating labour in redditard.
mircea_popescu: because usd doesan't buy you anything you actually want ; and redditard can't make anything you actually want.
mircea_popescu: yes they buy and make some things. this is of the nature and substance of clouds.
mircea_popescu: why shouldn't whatever spare cycles his brain has be used to improve tmsr-rsa ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform your notion of money is broken in that you misunderstand its materiality.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: goldbug looks at bar of gold, thinks "value here", you look at benjie think "value here". this is however not so, capital is an abstract not a concrete item.
mircea_popescu: consider : 1. large corporation, worth 1 trillion. analyst expected profit year end is 75 billion. company beats, makes 76 billion.
mircea_popescu: 2. small start-up, worth 1 million. analyst expected profit year end is -300k. company beats, makes 999 bn 999 million 700k.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: both these items made the same unexpected billion. nevertheless, in the case of 1 this will be discounted to about a third of its value, resulting in minor share appreciation c.p.
mircea_popescu: whereas in case 2 it will be put at so massively a premium so as to make 2 stock outstanding worth more than 1's.
mircea_popescu: this is because the "same" money is discounted on the basis of "in whose hands it finds itself" -- the 1 people are expected to lose most of it under couch cushions ; the 2 people are expected to take over the world with that scrawny one billion.
mircea_popescu: FOR THE REASON that the implicit discount on its money is different.
mircea_popescu: or in the immortal words of some schmuck, "nah. if i give you 50k now i'm wasting it".
a111: Logged on 2017-08-18 22:43 mircea_popescu: 2. small start-up, worth 1 million. analyst expected profit year end is -300k. company beats, makes 999 bn 999 million 700k.
mircea_popescu: the only reason everyday joe doesn't encounter capital discounts is because a) too small and b) too stupid. otherwise even someone running a small video rental comprehends the difference between accounts receivable depending on from whom, and so on.
mircea_popescu: whjole fucking point of investing, at least in the buffett understanding of it (apolitical, or in his case naively copacetic-political, columbia floating over farmer drawn hills) is to identify the corps with the most favourable capital discounts and to buy those while selling their opposites.
mircea_popescu: the important parts : spent 200 per share to go from 60 to... 68.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well no, tank batallion is a different story. this is a textile maker, it has no further productive externalities than what it gets for cloth
mircea_popescu: now you understand why inca is no actual problem, nor its redditards worth courting.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> let them learn teh brass tacks. << everyone has to, ya.
mircea_popescu: anyway, transparend qpq seeing how microsoft is losing the global battle for relevancy.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in this light, doing anything whatsoever other than 'hodling' is raw deal. << there are exceptions
mod6: but mostly, the savings rate far exceeds the yield of capatal allocation; which is obvious. and will stay that way for sometime as fiats -> 0. someday, that'll be different.
mircea_popescu: seems to be obvious and necessarily true, iunasmuch as bitcoin has 100% of the world savings market share and about a millionth of a percent of the world capital allocation market share.
mircea_popescu: just like if on an imaginary island you had a farm that produced all the milk but none of the meat, the return would be mostly in milk and not much in meat.
mod6: i aspire to get that periodical