mircea_popescu: i suspect a large part of why i like it is that i never run into this kinda problem. i had to futz about ansi terminal standards literally never.
mircea_popescu: people got really excited about the whole tv txt mode or w/e that was called
mod6: How goes tmsr~? I ~think~ that I have a working wp-mp now. I've converted over my most recent blog post about diana_coman's V Genesis. If you see something broken, or similar please let me know.
mod6: Mainly outlines what's up next for me in January.
mircea_popescu: i thought that was the substance of teh announcement :p
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 06:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get it, what about it ?
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diana_coman: asciilifeform, you broke all your links on your www to FFA code on btcbase when you changed the name of vpatches because of keccak vs sha: e.g. btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch7_turbo_egyptians/tree/ffa/ffacalc/cmdline.ads#L42 in Ch8 404s now because no ".kv"
diana_coman: well, it's meant as replacement not as alternative so I don't see why would one keep the sha patches; onth replacement in place aka no name change doesn't break anything either
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 22:00 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 02:19 asciilifeform: aalso i spoke too soon, it stops mid through boot, dun see cd drive.
diana_coman: apeloyee beat me to the cut; nothing else so far
diana_coman: actually rather curious why doesn't apeloyee sign what he reads
diana_coman: the trouble is that "sharp edges" are quite often operator-shaped as it were
diana_coman: ftr I had to refresh a bit on Knuth Vol 2 at some point but I don't see that as a minus at all
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, it was rather basic stuff but the fact is that I read Knuth ~10 years ago so refresh was long due
diana_coman: re nitpick: in my code I tend to keep to XS'First..XS'First+X'Length but it does make it ugly & long
diana_coman: heh, talked in parallel there; I know and that's why I did not mention it at all at first; it was just because you asked for as much nitpick as possible, so now it's at least said
mircea_popescu: next we're going to dig up a 1990 era soviet stolen sub to run it on their handcranks also.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-01 01:22 asciilifeform quite fond of alpha, the architecture book was ~thin~
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 16:36 diana_coman: well, it's meant as replacement not as alternative so I don't see why would one keep the sha patches; onth replacement in place aka no name change doesn't break anything either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe, but maybe deep link to the something useful.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 16:49 asciilifeform: box is dead in the water on apparently all linux kernels since ~2006ish, and seems like nobody gives a fuck.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884081 << any reason you believe this ? (i have nfi, there's some obligation to participate in the sense of weighing in on decisions for the lordship, but afaikl dude never was/wanted to be, and for the citizenry at large there's no such thing is there ?)
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 16:59 asciilifeform: given as the fella didn't end up sticking to republic, i dun expect we'll ever find out.
a111: 2018-01-17 <apeloyee> !#s whisperers
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, many people took yearish hiatuses, mats recently emerged after a slumber for eg.
lobbesbot: Mocky: Sent 19 hours and 34 minutes ago: <mircea_popescu> further issue with bot for your list : if it dings two skills, it only trains one. really it should have a check ~before~ crafting whether it can do any skill upgrading somehiow.
deedbot: stratum voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 17:01 diana_coman: cool; one day I'll make it to ch14b too, lol
Mocky: oh hey, never thought about multiple skill dings, I'll note
lobbesbot: Logged on 2019-01-03 14:53:01: <diana_coman> 18 pops, lmao
mircea_popescu: Mocky but the important part is "resilient design" so to speak : it should keep polling after doing what it thought it did. same exact thing as with the "put stuff in inv" : put all you find of the type you're putting, if you miss some on one cycle, catch up on next. sorta thing.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-02 15:31 asciilifeform: mats: i haven't built anyffing useful from ice40 with own hands yet. but, interestingly, when bought a 'scsi2sd' device for replacing disk in bolix box, found that author in fact used ice40 for the job
mircea_popescu: specifically : the oldest illustration of "robotics" in the charlie chaplin deeply misguided
http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-06#1043874 approach (and yes, i am very unimpressed by charlie chaplin as the "intellectual great" pantsuit make him out to be, specifically because this sort of deliberate stupidity to cater to pantsuit nonsense dun count as wisdom) is an amelia bedelia-esque "person sent to broom will broom the room, r
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2015-03-06 02:28 asciilifeform: 'On two occasions I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.'
mircea_popescu: obot sent to broom will broom individual items" sorta bs.
mircea_popescu: there's no serious reason to write our poor people in the way THEIR poor people would like our poor people to work [for the transparent reason that thusly, our poor people won't outcompete and drown out their poor people].
mircea_popescu: (and yes, republican bot is ==== imperial "we the people", no question about it.)
stratum: i am a real person who has seen the wonderful dpb spread the gospel and came here to watch
stratum: I do not recall any skeptical talk about rsa, though, I do think
https can be valuable in attempting to mitigating some issues one may encounter, this is true.
Mocky: yes, a more resilient design is much needed for the bot. it also needs to get out from under the thumb of the ps event/thread model so that adding capabilities doesn't require crimes-against-humanity levels of extra code in order to approach resilience
Mocky: unfortunately my cpp skills are not there yet
stratum: In some cases, which do not involve a determined attacker or state actor,
https can prevent man in the middle attacks, the capture of full browsing sessions, and, while unfortunately involving untrusted third party mega corporations tied to the security state, one can be slightly more assured you're talking to the actual website you intend to.
stratum: It depends on ones threat model.
stratum: I think most IRC people would be more concerned with some random internet jackoff fucking with them than GCHQ.
stratum: Certainly, but one still has to survive among the internet places as they exist.. We cannot all be RMS and have a helper print out websites for us because we're paranoid.
☟︎ stratum: If one can afford the money, time, and hassle, nothing.
Mocky: also re bot, I do see the underlying problem that is revealed when someone says "oh hey, never thought of..."
stratum: Most people don't even have one "box" -- More and more browsing from their phones as their sole computing device, billions of them. I think there is a disconnect in what we're discussing: which is why I mention RMS and his helpers.
stratum: I doubt any locksmith, who knows how easily they can be defeated, is arguing against locks for the average person, grandmas, and such. It seems like the argument against
https from the likes of dpb is an argument of this type, in my opinion.
Mocky: more like the tsa luggage locks
deedbot: stratum voiced for 30 minutes.
stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ stratum: If individuals want to communicate using heavily encrypted sneakernet to avoid NSA goons, that is certainly okay by me. But I don't see that happening for the billions any time soon.
☟︎ Mocky: are you an advocate on behalf of the billions?
Mocky: unrelatedly, it's strange time distortion to be a newb and compress the reading of back #trilema & #ba logs into 8 months and then see
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884140 and realize the fella (and plenty others fresh in the mind) hasn't even spoken here for a year
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 18:47 a111: 2018-01-17 <apeloyee> !#s whisperers
danielpbarron: i did not tell him to join, and i have given up on reaching that crowd
mircea_popescu: stratum we are only interested in destroying the capacity of posturing of the "state actor" known asw the usg.
mircea_popescu: random schmuckette futzing with her phone "losing" her nudes is of no consequence, she is a party favour anyway, whether she knows this or not.
mircea_popescu: and "most irc people" is an undefined symbol. there's the lordship and absolutely nothing else. there's no "irc people".
mircea_popescu: poor danielpbarron, i'm starting to understand his problem : specifically because
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881534 ie much lower intellectual bar, it is actually WAY THE FUCK EASIER to sell his church than the republic, to the sort of random interneteer. memory vs thought, hands down easier to memorize than structure the world.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 19:57 mircea_popescu: why is it that this church is notable in spite of not having a feedbot ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:18 asciilifeform: stratum: y'know, the money argument dun hold water -- a new 'ipnoje' actually costs moar than ~several~ entirely usable pc
mircea_popescu: Mocky we're in the same time distortion field. i recall people dead for centuries as if we just interrupted a coffee conversation days ago ; i forgot idiots i met yesterday as if milennia had passed.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 17:15 asciilifeform: when i started with adaism, i initially found the preservation of indexing in array-slices annoying. but then saw the wisdom, it whips programmer into having a much firmer grasp of wtf he is doing.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 14:59 asciilifeform: diana_coman: looks like ml not yet moved to pizarro, it's still hosted wherever it was that jurov had it
a111: Logged on 2017-05-26 18:10 asciilifeform: for instance, the almost ubiquitous c-ism, of creating a pointer (ada 'access') variable on a procedure's local (stack) and passing it to something -- anything -- is illegal
mircea_popescu: memory management in c is one of the weirdest things. this is not directly obvious first off, but if you stop to think about what you're saying ~actually means~ it's a guaranteed starseeing moment.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the first step in the wonderful world of language is the kid's "what incantations do" rather than "what does this mean". takes a considerable time exposed to "she is your genie, ask what you will, she'll produce it" sorta situation for the former to mutate into the latter, "what the fuck am i asking these genies to do here!"
jurov: diana_coman: really, let's seriously troubleshoot this. if you aren't using hosts file, can you please paste the output of: dig therealbitcoin.org and: dig MX therealbitcoin.org
BingoBoingo: dig shows the MX pointed at the foundation's Pizarro box from here