asciilifeform: what i meant was, on what legal ground could the woman's claim possibly be dismissed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the nicole smith case is interesting because of how perfectly she played the lizzards off each other. step 1: got one disowned brother to ally with her agains the other ; step 2 : declared bankruptcy, forcing california bankruptcy court into dispute with texas probate court.
asciilifeform: even in the grand open air lunatic asylum that is usa, this seems like 'open & shut case', no ?
mircea_popescu: STEP 3! SCROTUS picked up the case, bush had solicitor general intercede, because wanting to get more federal jurisdiction over state probate cases.
mircea_popescu: she totally gave them a run for their money.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which this ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the thing you witnessed in mass.
mircea_popescu: it was a horror ; the baby was born iirc 13 months after the man's demise and their dna matched.
mircea_popescu: i didn't witness it per se, it was just "the talk fo the town" so to speak. at least among a certain set.
asciilifeform: frozen spoodge or wat
asciilifeform: must've been
mircea_popescu: no idea.
asciilifeform has nfi what the precedent for these is
mircea_popescu: there's an array of "possible explanations", including that women do in some cases actually naturally conserve sperm.
mircea_popescu: like fucking turtles.
asciilifeform: this'd be worth the stockholm gold (if it still were a real thing)
mircea_popescu: it was a rather contentious piece of lol.
asciilifeform: sane judge would consider frozen sperms, faked deaths, falsified paternity test, in some order, prior to admitting an undiscovered biological process.
mircea_popescu: difficult to bar "expert testimony"
asciilifeform: in that case it would be interesting to catalogue the 'miracles' that 'are possible' as per u.s. judicial precedent.
asciilifeform: betcha parthenogenesis is in there, somewhere
asciilifeform: and teleportations.
asciilifeform: and who knows what else.
asciilifeform: i mean, if you genuinely can't throw out 'expert witness' based on known physical process throwing an exception...
mircea_popescu: there is no such "known". that's the point of the experts.
asciilifeform: judge is a brain, and not a 'prolog' proggy, for a reason, neh ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but not for this reason.
asciilifeform: and this 'not known' is a mighty selective thing, like the rest of the 'rule of law' crock of shit. e.g., why not close ALL unsolved murders, by positing that martians nailed them via telekinesis.
mircea_popescu: you get you call your expert to say so, if you can find one
mircea_popescu: the opposing party will definitely bring theirs.
asciilifeform: nobody's called until a suspect is arraigned
asciilifeform: i'm speaking of cold cases.
mircea_popescu: VERY MUCH, much more than commonly realised, in the way the us works is predicated on a "can you afford one" system of qualifications.
asciilifeform: this, i think, is known to ~everyone at this point
mircea_popescu: that you'd be living there as opposed to, say, argentina, while entertaining these ridoinculous "not all poor people are imbeciles" delusions is pretty nutty in itself.
mircea_popescu: you want to live in that alt-world where not all poor people are by that fact imbeciles, move to a juntos vencemos place, live with the slime.
mircea_popescu: they're connected, these two things.
asciilifeform: i dunno that i've ever lived ~outside~ of such a thing, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: well... india, you know ?
mircea_popescu: there's "inner worth" places still. generally, villages and rural areas.
mircea_popescu: ie specifically the sort of arrangement you don't seem to like.
mircea_popescu: six to a room, from 6 to 60yo, every sperm is sacred, that jazz.
mircea_popescu: i mean jizz.
asciilifeform: what's the appeal of this again..?
mircea_popescu: that they actually try to pretend what you try to pretend, "poverty is not automatically disqualifying"
mircea_popescu: at least the women behave accordingly, sometimes.
asciilifeform: i'm not even sure that mircea_popescu and i agree on a def of 'poverty'
mircea_popescu: maybe not.
mircea_popescu: what difference would it make ?
asciilifeform: does it include... all folx who work for a living? anyone with one fewer wine bottle than mircea_popescu's cellar contains ? folx without dirigibles? what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it makes difference if we want to even have a meaningful dissection of subj.
asciilifeform: for my edification, let's hear mircea_popescu's picture of 'poverty'
mircea_popescu: why ? if "i'd love to chat you up but i gotta hurry back to work" applies, boy's poor, and girl either moves on or doesn't.
mircea_popescu: if she doesn't, you've got a sort of place. if she does, you've got another sort of place.
mircea_popescu: you insist in living in one while holding the ideology of the other.
asciilifeform: not everyone who works is a 'gotta hurry back to work'
mircea_popescu: the test is given.
asciilifeform: no room for naggum folk? (and are they poor? unpoor?)
mircea_popescu: again - the test is given. what, you expect this to be resolved from hitler's own throne, administratively and universally, as if somehow universal knowledge is possible ?
asciilifeform: i really love mircea_popescu's 'choose hole a or hole b', 'fork in the eye or once up the arse?' (ru prison riddle) tests.
mircea_popescu: what's this, "i'll consider looking at how nonsensical my nonsense is if you bake in this other nonsense" ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, upon examination it's obvious we don't agree on "the definition of poverty". you apparently imagine it is a boolean ; and idiocy also.
mircea_popescu: this can't possibly make any sense of anything.
asciilifeform: nah it is just that mircea_popescu poses a riddle where there is 'or your ox wanders off' and i dun have an ox, and have to spend quite a few cpu cycles mapping it onto what i actually do.
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : in any situation when symbol.poverty is defined, symbol.idiocy is also defined and equals 1.
asciilifeform: incidentally if mircea_popescu's picture of 'poverty' is encompassed by the hero of http://thewhet.net/2016/alcachofa-7515 then i have absolutely no counter against 'must also be stupid.'
mircea_popescu: mno. if it ever makes sense to say "i am poor", in whatever context, for whatever reason, EVER ; it then therefore and for this reason as sole and sufficient it also makes sense to say "i am stupid".
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu wants to operate with a definition of 'stupid' that encompasses everybody on planet3 but mircea_popescu and five other d'artagnans, this is his business alone, and not mine
mircea_popescu: it dun really matter, does it.
asciilifeform: there was some thread re 'driven by poverty' but i can't seen to unearth it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-14#1432314 <<☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-03-14 16:36 mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of people who, however poor may they be irl, are still not driven by the poverty so to speak.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, should the operator be interested in resolving the poverty issue, the solution is always and without exception being less stupid ; notwithstanding that the tempting path usually taken is being more stupud, for some reason reminescent of that great pacino monologue in devil's advocate.
asciilifeform: 'being less stupid' is a vector op, neh ?
mircea_popescu: more like a string.
mircea_popescu: i guess technically a string is an n-vector.
asciilifeform: say i 'feel poor' until i can buy a working buenos aires, in what direction 'be less stupid' ?
mircea_popescu: that's above my pay grade.
asciilifeform: but can haz type ? vector ? tensor ?
asciilifeform: i dun expect mircea_popescu to calculate it.
mircea_popescu: there's pretty much nothing i can say about it, turns out.
asciilifeform: so we have a 'NaN' lel.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even convinced "summon nazi alien troops, massacre anyone" is solution.
asciilifeform: (did the chinese actually call it 'mu' or was i lied to)
asciilifeform: also imho this thread can go somewhere useful still. in a ru (or i suspect any) prison cell, there are 'poverty' people, even if there is no money in the cell.
asciilifeform: so answer is, not to be them.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: money's always there ; i guess there's no coins, bills, whatever.
mircea_popescu: tide money never goes away.
asciilifeform: well yes. but 'pederast' who gets mailed a fat box of delicacy dun get to eat any.
mircea_popescu: it's still in the cell.
asciilifeform: american psychologists used to use a term 'social capital' but everybody will prolly break into hives now.
phf: "be less stupid" might possibly be a cellular automaton. you can take steps according to certain rules, but the state of less stupid is emergent
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: phf the problem becomes rapidly complex as the tasks involved go above "i would like my snatch to not stink"
phf: right
mircea_popescu: generally complexity-reducing rules are for instance much more effectual as a class than ~anything else.
asciilifeform: and i never for a moment disagreed with 'snatch stinks? yer poor & stupid'
mircea_popescu: hence why the various complex fabulations of the psycho-overactive are so dimly regarded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you conflated unlike things.
asciilifeform: hm
mircea_popescu: the number 4 in there isn't comparable to the number 4 as you compared it ; they're different things.
mircea_popescu: all math and no physics makes scientist a socialist!!11
asciilifeform: well traditionally folks say 'yes, stupid' when somebody is unable to learn what we think of as 'basic' process, e.g., reading street sign.
asciilifeform: or washing. .....or earning enough to have a place to wash.
mircea_popescu: in the context it was used, "i would like my snatch to not stink" made up the whole of the universe ; in the context you used it, it's part of a larger universe. this comparison is invalid.
asciilifeform: definition can , as iirc was richly expounded on in the l0gz, also shift based on what we think is 'basic op'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well yes, in the context of, e.g., dark ages europe, 'non-stinking snatch' possibly required considerably more standing in hierarchy than presently. so context matters.
mircea_popescu: this is not what context means.
mircea_popescu: bejesus what a festival.
asciilifeform: so which context then ?
asciilifeform: what am i missing.
mircea_popescu: alright let's dig into it.
mircea_popescu: i said "phf the problem becomes rapidly complex as the tasks involved go above "i would like my snatch to not stink"". this is a statement of the nature of, "geometry becomes rapidly longer as the number of possible dimensions goes above 1". you said "and i never for a moment disagreed with 'snatch stinks? yer poor & stupid'". this is a statement of the nature of "if you only describe one dimension, you suck at geometry". thi
mircea_popescu: s is nonsensical, because the "1" was also "all". a geometry describing one dimension in a world where only one dimension may exist is not any worse than a geometry describing three in a world with three. they're exactly the same thing : the complete story of geometry.
asciilifeform: ok so all mircea_popescu said earlier is 'solving 1-dim. optimization is trivial' ?
mircea_popescu: well, a converse, but anyway, proceed.
asciilifeform: well i didn't proceed, because still unable to conceive a useful (and general) def of poverty.
mircea_popescu: (the agreement i inferred to have with phf as a result of that statement was "it's not even clear what sort of hyperexponential is involved, it grows so fast". we don't have any sort of upper bounds.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, a specific definition of poverty is, much like euler's god, not actually necessary for this discussion.
asciilifeform: so far it resembles, in my mind, an entirely subjective thing, like, e.g., 'stinks'. stinking depends on the nose in question.
mircea_popescu: this is entirely not forbidden.
asciilifeform: so since noses un unscrew, and i cannot trade with mircea_popescu for each other to see what stinks to the other, the train typically stops there.
asciilifeform: *dun unscrew
mircea_popescu: what's that to do with anything ?
asciilifeform: well what am i to do with 'this is a subjective perception'
asciilifeform: next i suppose we can debate how many nm wavelength begins colour 'red'.
mircea_popescu: i said "a specific definition is not required for the discussion", you opted to stuff some nonsense into that.
mircea_popescu: do with it what you will, it's all yours.
asciilifeform: what kind of discussion can we have without a definition ?
mircea_popescu: what, this is new to you ?
mircea_popescu: "what kind of house can i build if you and your wife aren't seated on a couch watching tv as we build the walls around you!!!1"
asciilifeform: wasn't asking for the couch, but for sufficiently many intersecting planes in the vector space that we might arrive at a spot that looks like couch would fit there.
asciilifeform: i.e. some useful concept of 'what is poverty' derived from shared priors.
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: the couch really is not your business, we're discussing whether this beam is horizontal or not, and if these angles sum up to the right value.
asciilifeform: thus far i don't even know if mircea_popescu's concept is absolute ('must afford dirigible') or simply 'stay out of bottom 10% of social pyramid' or what.
asciilifeform: or neither, and won't even fit in my orc skull. or.
mircea_popescu: depends on the concept of stupidity involved, really. they're not separate.
mircea_popescu: ie, some definitions of stupidity require universal poverty. as for instance documented re argentina.
mircea_popescu: these people can't be rich no matter what the fuck happens to them.
mircea_popescu: as proven by the fact that they have to date meaninglessly squandered ~5 fortunes.
asciilifeform: hey, not universal once mircea_popescu unpacked his pith helmet and started the colonization, eh ?
mircea_popescu: first, the german made them rich buying leather to make the pikehauberk. then, grain in ww2. then borrowed. then defaulted. then borrowed. etc.
mircea_popescu: they're poorer than they've ever been ; people point and laugh at venezuela, but venezuela never fucking had the blessing of such an euro outpour.
asciilifeform: this blew me away when i first found out - derps are STILL running on the fumes of the great german rocket of ~1900
mircea_popescu: it was at best a texas to this new york.
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: peak, imho, of europe's whole run.
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: and to think, the idiot junkers got to fuck it up.
mircea_popescu: could be japan, exactly.
asciilifeform: as rich, comfortable imbeciles inevitably do.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how comfortable the junkers were.
asciilifeform: i still do not consider myself qualified to opine re why germany got eaten.
asciilifeform: it is, in my mind, great riddle.
mircea_popescu: sure. but the ineptitude of the junker class is well documented ; and i daresay well understood.
asciilifeform: different in any way from british ineptitude ?
mircea_popescu: there are some meeting points, for sure.
asciilifeform: or the degenerate ru aristocrats
asciilifeform: or austrians
mircea_popescu: but really, voltaire actually had a fine blueprint, EARLY. they just didn't read him.
mircea_popescu: "best possible barony"
asciilifeform: they all read like that schlumberger to me.
mircea_popescu: eh, "degenerate russian aristocrats" is simply french wanna-be ism. nothing russian there.
asciilifeform: specifically, if aristocratic degeneracy varies in any fundamental way across europe, i do not know it.
mircea_popescu: it does, yes.
asciilifeform: folks who inherit empire they had done nothing to conquer, all look quite similar through my telescope.
mircea_popescu: there's at least the french sensationalism and the nordic solipsism variants.
asciilifeform: tru!
asciilifeform: ru had, arguably, both kinds.
mircea_popescu: classification is obviously a function of classifier's patience. "all butterflies are moths and that's good enough for a day's work."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, depends which set of magazines made it across the overflowing rivers that spring, you know.
mircea_popescu: "russian aristocracy" would have paraded nude with a bone-done hairdo, if it came to it.
asciilifeform: the folks running on 'solipsist' setting dun tend to read import lit.
asciilifeform: they sit around and pray and horsewhip serfs etc.
mircea_popescu: or sit around and smoke and meditate. the "absconse scottish lord" figure in british literature very much typifies the trope.
asciilifeform: aha, 'eastern solipsist' setting
asciilifeform: on which ran, e.g, iran
asciilifeform: (for all i know, still does)
asciilifeform: http://www.ilibrary.ru/text/1778/p.1/index.html << see also !
asciilifeform: 'Посмотри: в тени чинары / Пену сладких вин / На узорные шальвары / Сонный льет грузин; / И склонясь в дыму кальяна / На цветной диван, / У жемчужного фонтана / Дремлет Тегеран.'
asciilifeform: and, in particular, 'Бедуин забыл наезды / Для цветных шатров / И поет, считая звезды, / Про дела отцов.'
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a deep reason hitler "beloved bayern". it's complicated, all this flow, but in the end - the "treuloser Feinglinge" version of the dolchstoss libel, while factually unsubstantiated, is entirely comprehensible historically.
mircea_popescu: i've been kinda waiting for the proper greek drama of "hitler as the executor of his own demise through countering his allies' enmity as best he can"
mircea_popescu: pity there's no goethe.
mircea_popescu: then again, i suppose there's no need for no goethe.
mircea_popescu: pro dela ottsov eh ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: nb.
asciilifeform: approx., 'bedouin has traded conquest / for a coloured tent / and he sings, the stars a-countin' / of where his fathers'd went'
asciilifeform: ( there is, to no particular surprise of asciilifeform's no detectable english translation of lermontov's 'dispute' - linked item, it being not in any possible sense obscure )
asciilifeform only even went to 1st and 2nd grade of literate-people school, and we did a fat chunk of lermontov.
asciilifeform: as in, the trad orc method, of 'memorize this and recite'
mod6: asciilifeform: is nsa's trb down?
asciilifeform: mod6: no ?
asciilifeform: not even blackholed
mod6: hm.
asciilifeform: happily churning as we speak
mircea_popescu: incidentally, as we were discussing probate lulz in the us recently :
asciilifeform: mod6: what happened when you tried connecting ?
mircea_popescu: so doris duke was this rando slut inheriting some decent chunk of change from the guy who owned lucky strike. she did all sorts of things, including funding duke university. then she died and left a will, naming her butler as executioner, leaving duke 10mn and stipulating that anyone contesting the will is to get nothing.
mircea_popescu: within a decade of her death, her chosen executor was replaced by us court ; morgan stanley president ; duke uni president and some other dubious schmucks appointed executors
mod6: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
mod6: im retrying now
asciilifeform: mod6: you aren't, by any chance, on a shitazon box are ya.
mod6: we'll see. oh shit, duh, you're blocking me anyway.
mod6: yes.
asciilifeform: well then.
mod6: how did this work before i wonder lol?
mircea_popescu: the various things the woman wanted financed got defunded "for perpetuating the Duke family history of personal passions and conspicuous consumption". and well... this being in 2004 i imagine the money is by now well spent by the usg.
mod6: i keep forgetting that. my bad.
asciilifeform: mod6: why are you on a shitazon anyway
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would be interesting to read the court transcript of the executor swap. can haz ?
asciilifeform: what's such a proceeding look like
mod6: asciilifeform: it's a test env
mod6: as soon as there is a non-us wot-enabled btc provider... i might think about a bare metal thing for this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, the lizzard meisters wiped it off say http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-articles/article15046.html ; but embers remain http://www.nytimes.com/1996/04/11/nyregion/deal-reached-over-the-estate-of-doris-duke.html
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ozqTk << did turn up
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, nannerl o keohane, at the time duke head, is certainly a fine example of lizard dome architect.
mircea_popescu: "political theorist" my foot.
asciilifeform: hey, this is why folks make heirs, neh ?
mircea_popescu: dubious.
mircea_popescu: this is why folks behead any and all bureaucrats every 7 years.
mircea_popescu: at least - my people did.
asciilifeform: die heirless and surrounded by questionables, make a mess - today or 1000 yrs ago.
mircea_popescu: kill all scribes periodically - problem solved.
mod6: <+mod6> as soon as there is a non-us wot-enabled btc provider... i might think about a bare metal thing for this. << i may not wait for this... i dunno, will have to see.
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly, serious hosters needed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when moose dies in the forest, 10,001 species of crawly comes out to eat - it is not a pest control problem as such.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you read the thing you're bound to recognize the by-now standard and documented playbook.
asciilifeform: and yes.
asciilifeform: but, fact is, it dun work on a live moose.
mircea_popescu: not clear what heir could have done, other than you know, gaddafi all over himself.
asciilifeform: the rockefellers are still, afaik, in the saddle.
asciilifeform: maybe ask'em how.
mircea_popescu: lol again with that ?
asciilifeform: well simply that i dun have a copy of their dekulakization process. so working under assumption that they did not get duked.
mircea_popescu: iirc the last time you used the symbol it got challenged into meaninglessness.
asciilifeform: simply pointing out that not all american mega-fortunes yet vaccumed up.
asciilifeform: *vacuumed
mircea_popescu: pretty much, yeah.
mircea_popescu: heck, saudi fortunes seem i ntreouble. the us moved to vacuuming up far east private fortunes recently.
mircea_popescu: very moscow 1916.
asciilifeform: also 'pay Bernard Lafferty, her high-spending, ponytailed butler, millions of dollars to give up his role in overseeing her fortune' dun look like a straight dekulakization.
mircea_popescu: you know what else dun look like ?
mircea_popescu: $s esr
a111: 82 results for "esr", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=esr
asciilifeform: esr was idiot quisling paid in devil's-gold-turns-to-leaves. possibly butler - also.
mircea_popescu: necessarily butler also.
mircea_popescu: what exactly was his leverage ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-06#1497659 << what all does this admin hardening entail?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:54 mircea_popescu: and you've got A LOT of things built in, not just "antispam". you got admin hardening ; gpg comments ; auto-spam tagging, ddos protection, anti-trackback flood and etc.
mircea_popescu: "shut up or else i route the money to taliban" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i cannot even give a reason to think he was paid at all, now that i think.
mircea_popescu: mkay.
asciilifeform: perhaps simply told 'read this script in court or there will be problems'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i dun specifically recall. various.
asciilifeform: and script included ' i was paid ... settlement '
asciilifeform: lel while reading linked fishwrap, fresh from barfomat, http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/13/business/dealbook/bitcoin-blockchain-banking-finance.html
mircea_popescu: ooobviously.
asciilifeform: 'Most banks have already put together blockchain working groups...' BLOCKCHAIN!!111
asciilifeform: TECHNOLOGY!!!!!
asciilifeform: straight from esr's 'open sores' playbook.
asciilifeform: these folks have maybe 3, 4 recipes. total.
asciilifeform: and of course the sacramental, '...the report says that the industry will have to work with governments to create standard rules and laws to govern transactions.'
mircea_popescu: the irony being that they entirely miss the mistakes. but whatever,
mircea_popescu: once they stop being poor maybe they can afford hiring actual experts.
asciilifeform: anybody wanna write perl script that generates these articles ?
asciilifeform: can sell to nyt et al.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha.
asciilifeform: at this point there is more than enough material to write a first-class shannonizer.
asciilifeform: that, betcha, will produce moar readable item, than linked.
asciilifeform: then we somehow find a way to slip'em in.
mircea_popescu: and prove for the nth time that... a) nobody reads the "mainstream" media so no possibility of competing in the direct and b) they have no money anyway, nor any interest in any form of reality, so they can't buy anything from you anyway.
asciilifeform: aha, sorta special case of mircea_popescu's proposed reddit nuke.
mircea_popescu: yeah. special case of not workedness.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what it would look like if 'worked', the most that can be asked for is sokal-style lul.
asciilifeform: $s sokal
a111: 8 results for "sokal", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=sokal
asciilifeform: or, more particularly, https://archive.is/v6Haf .
asciilifeform: 'But this is the hoax that keeps on giving. The creators of the automatic nonsense generator, Jeremy Stribling, Dan Aguayo and Maxwell Krohn, have made the SCIgen program free to download. And scientists have been using it in their droves. Yesterday, French researcher Cyril Labbé revealed that 16 gobbledegook papers created by SCIgen had been used by German academic publisher Springer. More than 100 more fake SCIgen papers were publ
asciilifeform: ished by the US Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE). '
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: ^ doesn't appear to be in the l0gz. so here for the record now.
asciilifeform: in other 'news', chinese appear now to sell 30w (!) ~diode~ lasers, fiber-coupled, approx. the size of cig pack, a few hundy usd.
asciilifeform: use yer imagination. they're ~1000nm, ir.
asciilifeform wonders what it could output in msec bursts
mircea_popescu: 30w :D
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: while not 'death ray', would handily obliterate retinas, cameras, from 100s of metres, puncture tyres, light flammables.
asciilifeform: well water is opaque to 1000nm so corneas, not retinas.
asciilifeform: but the rest stands..
ben_vulpes: shiny, where?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: e.g., ebay
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: https://www.ebay.com/itm/122075771989
asciilifeform: probably elsewhere.
ben_vulpes: yeah super shiny
ben_vulpes: used but notbad
mod6: $up Bugpowder
deedbot: Bugpowder voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: hey Bugpowder, how goes?
mircea_popescu: http://archive.is/6oYPy << check it out, it begins!
mod6: he probably reads the logs.
mircea_popescu: well there's no valid signature...
mircea_popescu: fun times.
ben_vulpes: oh man if he can throw the vote tracking systems into chaos...
ben_vulpes: he could hose so much just by demanding ballots with signatures.
ben_vulpes: and if anyone could exclude diebold and friends from the party it'd be him
mircea_popescu: yup
mircea_popescu: tis teh right strategic move.
mircea_popescu: and the more the libtards bitch, the better for him.
mircea_popescu: and the less they bitch, the worse for them.
mircea_popescu: this is what win-win is.
ben_vulpes: not to mention that the left cooked the diebold narrative to begin with.
mircea_popescu: aha.
ben_vulpes: endless lolz
mircea_popescu: oya.
ben_vulpes: phf, shinohai, trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: i elected to nuke the "stale comments" thing, i'd be much obliged if any of y'all have a patch for that. in exchange i've got a patch on wp-comments.php for the suffix trick, not that it's hard or anything
mircea_popescu: just take out the <?> part in the form names.
ben_vulpes: i r phpbro nao
ben_vulpes: but i wanted it to work!
mircea_popescu: that;s not what nuke means ?
mircea_popescu: explain yourself plainly!
ben_vulpes: hang on
ben_vulpes: pump the brakes there turbo
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i pulled out the "comment_checks"
ben_vulpes: er, "comment_check"
ben_vulpes: and specifically, commented out the line starting with if (((time ...
mircea_popescu: that didn't work.
ben_vulpes: bad error message lol
mircea_popescu: explain yourself vaguely and convolutedly now, maybe that's more practical in your present state of intoxication!
ben_vulpes: i am stone cold sober
ben_vulpes: SIR
mircea_popescu: evidently, it's not working out for you!
mod6: heheh
mircea_popescu: now then. what are you trying to get and what did you do for it ?
ben_vulpes: 1) i commented out the line in wp-comments that checks for the delta between now and the comment time being greater than or less than two magic numbers.
mircea_popescu: ok.
ben_vulpes: that fixed the comment processor complaining about stale pages or whatever
mircea_popescu: well... in the sense that it doesn't check anymore, yes.
ben_vulpes: 2) i added the suffix generation routine to the template page, and appended the suffix to the relevant form names.
mircea_popescu: 2 would have fixed 1 too i suspect.
ben_vulpes: 3) i excised a tril_ from wp-comments.php, replacing it with my db prefix
mircea_popescu: yeh, alf reported that too, i recall.
ben_vulpes: by jove
mircea_popescu: cool, so you're good to go ?
ben_vulpes: maybe? vaguely concerned that the thing is subtly broken in other ways not immediately apparent.
ben_vulpes: also *zero* clue of what to do to avoid dushensking the instance
mircea_popescu: well, you're vulnerable to comment flood and to harvester/spammer pairs, but otherwise should be ok.
mircea_popescu: wassat ?
ben_vulpes: no, i put the staleness back in
ben_vulpes: oh no that was davout
mircea_popescu: dude...
mircea_popescu: davout put the staleness back in ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-07#1448250☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 22:02 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell davout delete xmlrpc.php from your wordpress install and you will be 95% of the way to securing your blawg
mircea_popescu: imagine this guy on acid, if you will.
mircea_popescu: ah, that's a pretty stupid idea in that it kills pingbacks, which are a rather important contextualization tool.
mircea_popescu: besides, mp wp is already xmlrpc hole-neutered
mircea_popescu: it doesn't let randos use your xmlrpc to spam etc LIKE STOCK WP STILL DOES
ben_vulpes: ah no, staleness checks still failing for some reason.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-wanna-be/#comment-113027 < fix in question.
ben_vulpes: aaand it works.
ben_vulpes: great! neat mircea_popescu.
ben_vulpes: now to muntz the theme.
mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts7FQaVULRs
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
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mircea_popescu: phf http://trilema.com/2016/io-la-conoscevo-bene/#comment-118515
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that thing really ought to link back to the waterbug piece.
mircea_popescu: possibly yeah.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2015/prophylaxis <<
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521104 << looks like you turned mp-wp into conventional rubbish wp?? congrats ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 05:12 ben_vulpes: phf, shinohai, trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: i elected to nuke the "stale comments" thing, i'd be much obliged if any of y'all have a patch for that. in exchange i've got a patch on wp-comments.php for the suffix trick, not that it's hard or anything
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521093 << can demand whatever he likes. what will get, is another matter entirely.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: he could hose so much just by demanding ballots with signatures.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521094 << keep dreamin'.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: and if anyone could exclude diebold and friends from the party it'd be him
asciilifeform: why not also demand to bring back motherfucking literacy test for vote.
asciilifeform: diebold ain't leaving any more than literacy test is coming back.
asciilifeform: may as well ask tumour to 'leave', nicely.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so far, he's been getting.
asciilifeform: hey if the man can turn shit into gold, i'll clap.
mircea_popescu: well, november's close.
asciilifeform: lockheed et al 'also want to live.' either diebold, or fella eventually 'eats bad seafood' and keels over, or, etc. and that'll be that.
mircea_popescu: yes, yes, i get it : life is a contest for life, and you have your favourite horse. this is fine. the important point here however isn't so much "what trump can accomplish" but "mp is as far as the internet can tell trump's campaign strategist. because no one other has better proof."
asciilifeform: my fave horse is the very same 'common man fucked with spiked club of monotonically increasing thickness' as described by mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: other thing - what exactly are 'election observers' supposed to do ?
asciilifeform: and from where does one get them ? mars ?
mircea_popescu: it's echafaudage. you don't come out with what you want ; you come out with the principle poorly embodied. op protests, you change it.
mircea_popescu: either that or he's just stupid, whatever.
asciilifeform: the only kind i'm familiar with is when orc land 'opposition party' 'calls in observers' so that usg-favoured output can be hardcoded in.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's not reactive to this low level "i shall now examine cracks" approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. for instance - i could supply observers, working on this principle.
mircea_popescu: it will result in ~6% for hillary. make it sting.
mircea_popescu: in other words - the us became an orcland during obama's tenure. sad but tru.
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the last time i went to a voting booth, i took out driver license to give to the clerk, to be checked off the list (there is a list of townspeople with tickyboxes next to names) and clerk turned around in horror, 'put it away!' -- turns out it was (or at least thought to be) now illegal for clerk to LOOK AT such a thing, in many states incl. md.
mircea_popescu: eh ?
asciilifeform: never heard of the 'voter buses' ?
asciilifeform: where dem party trucks 'undocumented' folk from town to town, to 'vote early, vote often' ?
mircea_popescu: i never heard of this "illegal to see" thing
asciilifeform: well, it is a talmudic wall
asciilifeform: it is not in fact illegal to see, afaik.
asciilifeform: but it is - in md - illegal to ~ask~ for it.
mircea_popescu: ah
asciilifeform: and muppet dun wanna risk being seen 'asking'.
mircea_popescu: mass/nh actually don't require citizenship at all iirc.
asciilifeform: ditto here.
asciilifeform: and so dem party sends bus.
asciilifeform: folks on bus - have names of dead or elderly folk memorized (when this is even needed)
mircea_popescu: "Every male person, being twenty-one years of age, and resident in any particular town in this Commonwealth for the space of one year next preceding, having a freehold estate within the same town, of the annual income of three pounds, or any estate of the value of sixty pounds, shall have a right to vote in the choice of a Representative or Representatives for the said town."
mircea_popescu: sounds pretty reasonable.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu read this off a parchment or wat.
mircea_popescu: aha. mass constitution.
asciilifeform: guessed as much.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; seems a fine principle, and i see no other available.
mircea_popescu: "resident ; show income of one bitcoin ; or holdings of twenty bitcoin ; may vote"
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2016/gangs-of-new-york << see also.
mircea_popescu: a million or two votes should be enough for this entire planet.
mircea_popescu: and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/e9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif
asciilifeform: ^ rerun!!
mircea_popescu: o is it ?
asciilifeform: $s http://67.media.tumblr.com/e9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif
a111: 1 results for " http://67.media.tumblr.com/e9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%20http%3A%2F%2F67.media.tumblr.com%2Fe9aaef655de4fdd1acb633b5da3088e7%2Ftumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino1_500.gif
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: definitely saw this very same item 2 or so wks ago.
mircea_popescu: aww.
mircea_popescu: http://66.media.tumblr.com/d39182b4713e575f0e6d95e20a4f0115/tumblr_n37638gj1x1sitnino5_250.gif << fine, admire her silky hair then.
mircea_popescu: (the astute reader has no doubt long ago figured out that by jiggling the last figure before the _ one can see the rest of any set)
asciilifeform: in other noose, a new ( to me at least ) type of scamola : http://www.sifive.com << metallization mask level (minor tweaks to EXISTING design) thing, which dates to the late 1980s even, fraudulently being pushed now as 'custom silicon for all', lulzy.
asciilifeform: expect to see it at your friendly local 3dprinterist, makemagazine, kickstartertronic, 'THE BEOBLE can MAEK anything!111' convention.
asciilifeform: $s hardcopy fpga
a111: 6 results for "hardcopy fpga", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hardcopy%20fpga
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in principle if you make "generic" silicone you can then "fpga" it out of metal mask cuts
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my 1986 symbolics 3620 was made out of this.
asciilifeform: it is ancient tech.
mircea_popescu: aha
asciilifeform: and is in fact what, until recently, was sold as 'miner asic'.
asciilifeform: thing is, you get the clock rate of fpga. and same energy consumption. (~same propagation delays).
asciilifeform: because it is in fact fpga.
asciilifeform: just with hard wires instead of LUTs.
asciilifeform: think 'bunch of misc. logical units, adders, shifters, etc. with plugboard' and you're 99% there.
mircea_popescu: yeah
mircea_popescu: thing is, given the tiny process now used, this is actually not such a terrible approach, for many projects.
asciilifeform: you still can't meet ddr timing spec with it.
asciilifeform: unless vendor supplied a 'ddr module'. ditto pci, unless 'pci module'. etc.
asciilifeform: ever see manual for, e.g., xilinx fpga? it is simply a mass of these turds.
asciilifeform: and designer is asked to pay 'license' for EACH.
mircea_popescu: sure. but xilinx competition is first step.
asciilifeform: there is less now, rather than more, than decade ago
asciilifeform: (intel bought, and is killing, altera)
mircea_popescu: yes. but the process itself is cheap, and the chinese will proceed to pirate. as per above.
asciilifeform: we had this thread.
asciilifeform: chinese have 0 incentive to sell fpga.
asciilifeform: it isn't a mass-market item.
asciilifeform: and if it were, they are happy to clone xilinx and ship pirate copy of the binary turdchain with it.
asciilifeform: this implies ~0 logical reversing.
asciilifeform: of the kind we might find interesting.
asciilifeform: just a sov-style copy of the silicon.
mircea_popescu: look : we keep "having these threads" where you keep sprouting nonsense about how you think the world works. we'll have them until either you give up on thinking you have a clue on these things ; or i get tired of it.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out which consists of "the world alligning to alf fantasy".
asciilifeform: thing is that i actually have a clue here.
mircea_popescu: the bar for having a clue is owning and operating foundry, not being one of the monkeys foundry may at its leisure employ
mircea_popescu: but generallty doesn't.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu operates foundry ?
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu does not operate foundry.
asciilifeform: or even so much as bought 1 unit of fpga, and designed whatever, helloworld.
mircea_popescu: this being the problem : those aren't valid substitutes.
asciilifeform: but somehow still asciilifeform 'spouts nonsense' and mircea_popescu 'has clue' ?
asciilifeform: i need moar lsd or wat.
mircea_popescu: again with this. one doesn't migrate into the other.
mircea_popescu: whether you have or don't have a clue as to the economic process involved isn't related to my having or not having one. you can't simply run around turning any statement into any random converse, what sort of javascript is this!
asciilifeform: well i have the elementary clue re what device is used for, who buys, where it is a physico-economical win and where - not, etc.
mircea_popescu: o you do ?
asciilifeform: yes.
asciilifeform: re fpga.
mircea_popescu: so who buys 30w diode ?
asciilifeform: it is largely used inside larger laser, as pump.
asciilifeform: presently looking to see exactly ~whose~, the part is new.
mircea_popescu: "who buys" != "what it is used for"
asciilifeform: re fpga, largest buyer (not a mega-seekrit) is usg.
asciilifeform: largely used for, or so all of the available clues suggest - deep-packet inspection iron.
mircea_popescu: which is the problem with your clue - it is an anticlue, fed by delusional notions of design purism with no practical exposure whatsoever. in meta-world "nobody buys" metallization fpga for miner asic. in real world, it makes a billion dollars in sales over 5 years, ie, more than ~any "proper" chip class.
asciilifeform: hey i actually nailed that prediction
asciilifeform: it is in the l0gz.
mircea_popescu: i get it why you think it's beneficial to be narrow minded. get it that this virtually never works to any sort of useful or interesting conclusion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but acting out of character.
asciilifeform: lel so when asciilifeform nails an item years in advance, he is 'out of character' aha.
mircea_popescu: look, it's not a value judgement on you. i'm interested in the process.
asciilifeform: anyway metal fpga is great, i'll take ten right now if it's a dime.
mircea_popescu: do you see where the "oh i know how these assholes are cheating their customers" and "oh chinese have no economic incentive" do not communicate in your head ?
asciilifeform: point was not 'it is rubbish', but that you cannot build, e.g., trinary comp, with it.
mircea_popescu: well it's unclear what the fuck it'll be, but it's pretty evident, at least to me, that the chinese ARE trying to erode the whole xilinx tower of ip.
mircea_popescu: so then the correct statement would have been "it's not clear yet if it'll ever be useful", with which i agree, not "it can't happen".
asciilifeform: other point was that it is quite rare to see fpga deployed in mass produced product, because it has inescapably large per-unit cost compared to classical asic. it makes economic sense for small runs (<100,000) and for items which actually need the reconfigurability.
asciilifeform: none of this, i thought, is controversial.
mircea_popescu: yes but it also depends what the product actually is.
mircea_popescu: for instance, if the product is nato-free comms drone, then yes it might well be
asciilifeform: fpga is quite like the semiconductor equiv. of '3d printer'.
mircea_popescu: that's suddenly millions of units, potentially.
asciilifeform: the real 'killer app' of fpga is 'specificity of diddling'
asciilifeform: (in fact it was the example i gave in the original thread concerning it, re a 'final solution' to subj.)
mircea_popescu: hence why i say drones. you recall the thread ? with "air fence"| for olympics ?
asciilifeform: aha.
mircea_popescu: so yeah. there's all sorts of things at play here.
asciilifeform: recall, i ~like~ fpga, and if it were my will, it would be the only logic chip produced, and anyone who 'needs' ddr3 clock can get phucked
asciilifeform: my chinese contention was about ~current~ markets.
mircea_popescu: well, it is possible on the basis of the observable data the chinese are coming to your view.
mircea_popescu: the one thing that never can exist is the current market.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : when management starts talking about "current market" it's time to sell. they've lost all contact.)
asciilifeform: this ^ even i can see, and i am 'management expert' like i am concert violinist.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the big thing with this faux fpga thing is that it's very cheap. the much more important smaller thing is that it makes it god damned easy to steal usian ip.
mircea_popescu: these forces may well combine into a major trend.
asciilifeform: it was pretty easy earlier.
asciilifeform: other trend is that quite soon no one will want american design, stolen or not.
mircea_popescu: the us is weak ; it has already proved its unwillingness to pursue in the field ; their only response ("we'll ban the faux items at border") is exceptionally inadequate here : you'll get left behind by tech train if oyu do.
asciilifeform: recall the ftdi incident ?
mircea_popescu: the us already proved it's willing to do anything for sv lobby, and so the chinese are drip feeding the "capitalists" and waiting.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also quite possible.
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2014-10-23#891851 << thread, for whoever missed )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-10-23 22:49 asciilifeform: https://marcan.st/transf/ftdi_evil.png
mircea_popescu: (but yes, the fact that the dos did NOT put into obama's files the observation that the "labour" dispute in silicon valley was chinese driven test run is exactly the sort of thing that feeds my spite for the whole of usg as a "state". it's a state like a collection of mahjongg players is a state.)
asciilifeform: hey, if they can also ignore chinese subs having rocket target practice off california beach, in sight of tourists
asciilifeform: why not also this.
asciilifeform: and that.
mircea_popescu: sure, but...
shinohai: ben_vulpes: i didn't have to do anything to get it all to work besides diff and apply phf 's patch and directions
mircea_popescu: o yeah how's that monster project coming along shinohai ?
shinohai: it's a juggernaut for sure
shinohai: I decided to stuff the whole thing in an .img file so you don't have to reinvent the whole server wheel every time
mircea_popescu: wait
mircea_popescu: you're bundling it with lamp and os ?
shinohai: for personal use yeah
mircea_popescu: ok...
mircea_popescu: it's a much larger and more complex task like that ; best get the small discrete tip sorted out first.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to briefly revisit thread, one interesting tidbit you might not know about 'hardcopy fpga' is that it stands on same toolchain as the respective vendor's 'ordinary' fpga (on which one prototypes for the 'hard' variant.)
mircea_popescu: sure.
asciilifeform: the sheer 'lock-in' of the niche, is mind-boggling to the uninitiated
mircea_popescu: it's not expected this iteration will yield "better pci". merely - pci that you don't pay the license for.
mircea_popescu: sure. it'll take a while to dissolve. maybe even... a coupla decades ?
asciilifeform: they already pay 0 license (in most cases, there are idiots in china also)
mircea_popescu: but htey'll sell this. to you. for 20 bux.
asciilifeform: but the cost is - using american design. which is subtly braindamaged in 1,001 ways, not all of them even deliberate.
asciilifeform: not to mention pulling in a multi-GB closed turdball x86 toolchain.
asciilifeform: this is the thing i'd dearly like to see die
asciilifeform: but so far know of no signs of impending death.
mircea_popescu: yeah well, this is chinese restaurant. they don't do al a carte, they just bring you stuff.
mircea_popescu: you ever been in one of these btw ?
asciilifeform: yes.
mircea_popescu: god it pissed me off.
mircea_popescu: "you want food, yes ? hang on we bring!"
asciilifeform: thing is, i know a bit about orcish 'ip theft' business, father spent most of his life doing just it.
mircea_popescu: aite!
mircea_popescu: heh, i guess my father also.
asciilifeform: so mircea_popescu is familiar with the process. and output.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go as far as that. but not entirely unfamiliar.
asciilifeform: $s when you care enough to steal the very best
a111: 1 results for "when you care enough to steal the very best", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=when%20you%20care%20enough%20to%20steal%20the%20very%20best
asciilifeform: hm
asciilifeform: https://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/creatures/pages/russians.html
asciilifeform: ^ atrocious and nearly indecipherable 'dictionary translation'
mircea_popescu: the problem is russians are, for all their ridiculous orcishness, still white people.
mircea_popescu: the chinese are stranger still.
asciilifeform: i am familiar with some of the ways in which 'stranger.'
mircea_popescu: moreover, this is exactly their first run in with first world problems. there's no history to go by.
asciilifeform: e.g., considerably less reluctant to sell you product that will actually slowly kill you.
mircea_popescu: hey, krakadil.
mircea_popescu: that's hardly a problem anywhere.
asciilifeform: hey krok does exactly what is printed on the box.
mircea_popescu: ie, kills you slowl.y
asciilifeform: whereas food with melamine mixed in is labeled 'food' not 'die slowly'
mircea_popescu: maybe you misread the labels.
asciilifeform pictures scene, nearly falls down
asciilifeform: 'it said right on the box...'!
mircea_popescu: 餐飲 definitely means "die slowly"
asciilifeform: ever meet somebody with hilariously 'wrong' chinese tattoo ?
mircea_popescu: oya.
mircea_popescu: anyway. a large part of the problem with "i think better in symbols" is exactly evident here : sure, you think you do, much like dude in bathtub feels he's going faster. nevertheless YOU CANT FUCKING EXPLAIN WHAT YOU THOUGHT.
mircea_popescu: was it "food" or was it "kills you slowly" ?
asciilifeform: well sorta why they invented language, to explain the symbols with.
asciilifeform: set up, if you like, the huffman table.
mircea_popescu: mno. to kill the symbologists, rather.
mircea_popescu: in any case it is much better to have food, kill you slowly and the quod me nutrit bridge than just repeat 餐飲 until you fall down and then be worshipped as a very wise man - hey, 5k yo wisdom "directly applicable" today.
mats: i've never been to the chinese restaurant where they just bring you stuff
mats: are you describing dim sum carts?
covertress waves hello to mircea_popescu
covertress: here is some news for TMSR, before it hits the press > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WuZNZ2uPB2kFPzzQ-e3vBfJIP2bT8Gu1--6UxWepxCg/edit?usp=sharing
covertress: :)
mircea_popescu: mats no. you sit down, they ask what kind of WINE you want if any ; and then they bring you 30 plates
mircea_popescu: there's a hot plate built in the table to cook your own meat
mircea_popescu: you never saw this ?
covertress: mircea_popescu, ala Mongolian bbq?
mircea_popescu: yeah
mats: no lol
mats: this is in .ar?
mircea_popescu: this is everyfucking where heh. but sure, in the coupla blocks of ba that constitute the "china town", between a kitchy gate and two dragon statues.
covertress: Japanese do this also, with a central-table soup pot everyone shares.
mircea_popescu: that's saner.
mats: weird.
mircea_popescu: granted, more of a yi thing.
covertress: traditional Japanese dinner cooking > https://files.tofugu.com/articles/japan/2015-02-19-nabe-hot-pot/nabe-making-party-at-table.jpg
mats: 'hot pot' is a thing, but i've not seen a chinese place with hot plates unless they're also korean fusion or something
mats: or mongolian
mircea_popescu: you distinguish between these ?
mats: yeah. more flavors in hot pot, in my experience, like 麻辣
mircea_popescu: well, i'm new.
covertress: contemporary Mongolian hot pot > http://www.thetabletopcook.com/images/thetabletopcook-korean-barbecue-at-hee-been.jpg
mats: which is chinese peppercorn
mircea_popescu: isn't that overcrowded ?
mircea_popescu: ~the only thing i liked about it was that the meat was cut very thin and you could hold-cook it to a very fine degree.
covertress: it certainly can be... depends on how hungry everyone is. lol
mircea_popescu: though in general this is the job of the god damned cook, which is why i don't eat just anywhere.
covertress: mircea_popescu, you never eat this way at home? always go out?
mircea_popescu: covertress yeah ok, but say shrimp needs 40 seconds ; veal maybe 70 ? whereas the mushrooms five fucking minutes or w/e.
mircea_popescu: covertress i on occasion cook, but euro dishes. i do eat most everything at home, i even have sushi expert chick nao!
covertress: mircea_popescu yes, there is an art to timing the meal. comes with practice.
covertress: sashimi is my fav
covertress: fash-seared ahi w sesame seeds <3
covertress: *flash
covertress: mircea_popescu, which are your fav euro dishes?
mircea_popescu: ah, not so simple as all that. depends what mood i wake up in et all.
mircea_popescu: i just don't like cooking the barbarian stuff.
covertress: what? no haggis? lol
covertress: don't blame you
mircea_popescu: eh it's not as bad as it sounds.
mircea_popescu: tho i couldn't be arsed to make it anymore than cazu marzu.
covertress: ahhh... fine cheese is another weakness of mine
covertress: the more flavorful, the better
mircea_popescu: heh.
mircea_popescu: you should see these people. i bought two hot peppers, they sold them with nuclear warhead warnings.
covertress: lately, I've been enjoying Irish, grass-fed varieties. Can distinguish regions sometimes.
mircea_popescu: delicious things, not even hot. barely flavoured one pot.
covertress: ahh. <3 hot peppers also.
covertress: I grow my own Japapenos next to Jabaneros, so they cross-polinate and become hotter.
mircea_popescu: that's a thought.
covertress: *jalapenos
covertress: try a trad red bell pepper next to a ghost chili. ;)
mircea_popescu: nah, i'm a very mild hotness sort of guy.
covertress: have you tried Ancho Chili? wonderful flavor yet mild.
covertress: *the secret ingredient in most good Mexican food
mircea_popescu: aha. yeah, with mexican.
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, "I am here to help you become rich and famous.. If you are not serious in becoming a member please don't even think of adding me or sending me a message because I won't be happy with you.but if you know you are serious and ready to become a member just add me now let's talk and let's get to know each other more better. If you wanna be famous like rihanna, jazzy, Eminem,rick Ross, Lil Wayne, bey once and so
mircea_popescu: on just add and message me..and if you are in Kenya, south Africa, Tanzania,India,Zambia, Ghana, don't add me... Because I can't help you. I can't help you if you are from those country. But if you are in the USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, NIGERIA,Nether land, Poland, and if you are in European and Asia country and so on you can also add me let's talk and I will help you be a member... Once again if you are not serious d
mircea_popescu: on't add me. Thanks for your corporation.. Your satisfaction is what we want. I will be expecting your reply. Just add and inbox me and I will help you to become a member of the great Illuminati.Thanks once again I am Bella Wilfred and your happiness is what we want."
mircea_popescu: country of africaman, has internet, has not map, has not perl, has not way to make lists, has no countrylist datastructure, has nothing.
mircea_popescu: modern poverty.
mircea_popescu: Bey Once. you know, the singin' an' bootyshaking lord of the lordship of once.
mircea_popescu: in an alliance with bey campreamult.
asciilifeform: and holy shit, i broke a chinese centerpunch.
mircea_popescu: see ? no clue!
asciilifeform: didjaknow this was possible.
mircea_popescu: well... EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE!
covertress: mircea_popescu, do you believe in a multiverse?
mircea_popescu: you mean, in everett's gun sense so dear to alf's heart ?
asciilifeform: covertress: what does this question even mean? believe-in as a place to which you can walk in, via some yet-undiscovered magic door ?
danielpbarron: multiverse is a contradiction in terms. a universe is already one everything. whatever you call a "multi"-verse is really the whole "uni"-verse redefined
covertress: in this sense > http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/af/afec866f59e4c60209e0c3ef8a5ad25be8038bcec717a1d5f7a759f6f857c832.jpg
covertress: belief in the theory that multiple universes exist
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, i get a pictogram response.
covertress: :)
mircea_popescu: covertress traditionally theories are not believed or disbelieved ; that's more of a religious practice.
covertress: I *do specialize at K.I.S.S.
mircea_popescu: covertress also, your image depicts a collapsed eigenstate.
covertress: yes lol
covertress: I'm of the opinion that there is only one universe
mircea_popescu: is where ?
danielpbarron: i don't even care for the term universe; it's usually used as a replacement for God, personified and everything ala "the universe did X"
covertress: at the same time, I think that everyone is within their own universe
covertress: this is why blue to me is green to you
danielpbarron: pass me the bong when you're done babysitting it, wouldja?
covertress: danielpbarron: the only time I hear "universe" confused with 'god' is from AA members.
danielpbarron: pantheists and other new-agey stuff too
mircea_popescu: well aa folks are kinda stuck with this god-but-its-not-god thing...
covertress: not everyone is ready to be the center of their own universe, this is true
mircea_popescu: anyway, i shall go festejar el dia de "lxs ninxs" con las trabajadoras sexuales in constitucion, "barrio donde por la niche muchos no desean transitar".
mircea_popescu: catch you all later!
covertress: nos vemos más tarde
covertress waves goodbye to mircea_popescu and leaves also
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521460 << this to me seems to be a confusion between metaphysical and epistemological relativism. "what green is to me" is more to do with the latter, and cannot be used to support full-blown idealism (as in berkeley), or "there are multiple universes", or anything else which has specific *metaphysical* commitments.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 17:11 covertress: this is why blue to me is green to you
Framedragger: </interjection>
danielpbarron: unmatched trailing end tag detected
Framedragger: implied tags will bring us satan, true, but eh
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-13 19:28 thestringpuller: more ver-ified lulz: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fw4ns
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 16:22 phf: given the state of things, i'm not convinced that hawala is the worst we can do
Framedragger: $s hawala
a111: 49 results for "hawala", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=hawala
Framedragger: $s "in the log"
a111: 653 results for "\"in the log\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22in%20the%20log%22
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/choose-your-government-wisely/ << Daniel P. Barron - Choose your government wisely.
BingoBoingo: http://oglaf.com/ellipse/
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell covertress You gotta get other parties WoT'd up for your press releases to make it to media distribution.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: i'd be disappointed if that made its way into qntra
phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
phf: probably what thestringpuller means is that "we" (he's speaking to a bunch of reddit anons, so i assume it's purely rhetorical) don't have a wot based market.
BingoBoingo: mats: Well gotta explain the problem in layers. First is people. Next is substance. Then...
phf: well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
shinohai: mats: not even if it gets my usual ETH treatment?
phf: but if the question is, why can't reddit produce hawala, the answer is so obvious it's kind of a "no shit". you need http://glyf.org/socdarw.jpg for hawala, which reddit doesn't have, can't produce and wouldn't recognize when given.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: It's not there yet.
shinohai: >.>
asciilifeform: phf et al: did i ~and~ the log somehow get netsplit, and miss a thread, or is the hawala thing a continuation of pm or whatever
asciilifeform: (in the latter case - can haz context ?)
phf: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521475 i was responding to this☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 17:29 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..
asciilifeform: ah ty phf .
mats: shinohai: I don't want to read about ethereum or ethereum-likes unless it is about holders being herded into cattle cars and gassed
asciilifeform: ^
shinohai gets the zyklon canisters out of storage
mats: i was tired of reading about ripples by december 2013
phf: main reason i avoided bitcoin news for years, because it was altcoins mixed with a bunch of ~obviously~ idiotic ventures.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin?
ben_vulpes: news?
asciilifeform: phf: same
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel i'm not keeping interns at the moment
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: it's like if bloomberg terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
asciilifeform: phf: ever read my ancient piece - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=939 ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: oh pish and tosh. the only thing i threw out while banging on mp-wp was the comment time-sensitivity, and i even got around to fixing that.
phf: asciilifeform: yes, that's the first bitcoin article i read end to end. i read satoshi's paper immediately after
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i thought ~whole point was the spam filter.
asciilifeform: phf: neato
phf: i like the first comment, "How many years has ThePirateBay been up? They’re not going to shut down the bitcoin network".
phf: i was trying to figure out when i started reading your blog, and found this lulzy post http://www.loper-os.org/?p=18
danielpbarron on edge of seat for a +v znort987 ..
asciilifeform: $up znort987
deedbot: znort987 voiced for 30 minutes.
danielpbarron: znort987, can you voice yourself?
znort987: danielpbarron: I think I've managed to do that in #bitcoin-assets
znort987: but not sure how to pull it off on #trilema
danielpbarron: type /msg deedbot $up
znort987: is deedbot the assbot of #trilema
znort987: ?
danielpbarron: yes
znort987: I gues that's a yes. will try
danielpbarron: ok, I'll down you till then
danielpbarron: $down znort987
ben_vulpes: what's all this about a bridge loan, znort987 ?
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2016/my-favorite-jerkcity/ << Daniel P. Barron - My favorite Jerkcity
mats: $gettrust znort987 deedbot
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
danielpbarron: wrong direction
mats: $gettrust deedbot znort987
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
mats: o
asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/control.jpg
asciilifeform: ^ not quite done
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes probably has one ^ .
danielpbarron: yay! welcome back znort987
znort987: ben_vulpes: never been on irc before. i'm actually here to explain
znort987: yahoo email account was hacked. hacker used it to email kako, davout and pete begging for coinz
znort987: thing is: I never, ever sent an email to either of these 3 that wasn't a) encrypted b) signed
znort987: whereas hacker just sent plain old text
znort987: should have been a hint.
danielpbarron: aha
znort987: anyways ... spent the day chasing the damage he's wrecking in various accounts that were linked to that email
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/08/the-your-loss-playbook/ << Qntra - The "Your Loss" Playbook
phf: danielpbarron: jerkcity just came up in a conversation with some oldfags. it doesn't really translate and is part of a now dead culture. there's also http://yellow5.com/pokey/ and some others that i will probably go "oh man i remember thaaat one." if i were to see it. it's back when absurd non sequiturs typed in all caps was a thing, somehow it's part of hacker culture, which i think goes back to zippy the pinhead
danielpbarron: what damage? it got you in here. Should help get more customers if anything
znort987: including a doxx threat if I didn't pay 5 BTC lol
asciilifeform: znort987: kako, notably, said nothing publicly.
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. and I sent him a private email (properly gpg'd) this morning. he said he had smelled something funny.
danielpbarron: all news is good news when it's about the most serene republic and its citizens
mats: besides the ol' 'mp is a scammer!1', of course
asciilifeform: mats: i think at this point he has an emacs macro that craps this string out, or sumthing
mats: never mind the bit where he tried to take coins that didn't belong to him, used to seed bets...
mats: kako is blameless in the divorce, in his mind
mats: the o-noes-i'm-a-victim bit is played out.
znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
mats: good to hear
phf: danielpbarron: it's essentially bash rendered with microsoft comic chat
asciilifeform: znort987: iirc original rumblings came from a recent payout delay, co-inciding with bitfinex incident
znort987: second statement, likely not needed for this crowd bu has to be in the log: znort987@yahoo.com is a compromised email, please ignore anything coming from there unless gpg-signed
asciilifeform: phf: 'ложечки—то нашлись, но осадок остался!' (tm) (r)
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. a bet was paid 72 hours late. RL got in the way. Unfortunate, but nothing to do with solvency.
phf: asciilifeform: was that for me?
asciilifeform: phf: pertinent to thread, possibly
asciilifeform: znort987: ty for putting this on record.
znort987: wrt bitbet solvency in general ... not an easy problem. would love to be able to provide a crypto-hard "proof-of-solvency", but ...
mats: if coins dun move, that's proof of solvency imo
asciilifeform: mats: mircea_popescu will drill you a new arse for this contention (though i still do not grasp why)
znort987: mats: yeah, agreed, but easier said than done. assembling payout tx's by hand from deposit addies exclusive to bet is a PITA
znort987: mats: the second, and slightly more perverse issue is the whole coinbase debacle.
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/4xpoy2/the_your_loss_playbook_sorry/
asciilifeform: znort987: which debacle ?
znort987: coinbase threatens their customers with account closure if they are caught either sending to or receiving from bbet
phf: oh wow
znort987: and given that all addies are published on the site, bbet is making their life easy
znort987: coinbase's life I mean
asciilifeform: znort987: coinbase, as you probably already know, is owned and operated by enemies of bitcoin and the free world at large, from its first day.
danielpbarron: znort987, no proof is required of you. see: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1520179☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:14 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519996 << this is altogether unclear. this "the people have the right to trace the coins" is a) still nonsense, bitcoin is not traceable ; b) still nonsense, forget the "dao" bullshit ; c) still nonsense, you trust the operator or you don't trust the operator.
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah, but that's not the issue
znort987: danielpbarron: understood but ... crypto-hard proof of solvency would be a very nice feature I think.
danielpbarron: znort987, that coinbase bans you should be seen as a feature rather than a bug
danielpbarron: they are helping you select for decent customers
asciilifeform: znort987: what, then, is the issue? if you ran a winery that took btc, and found out that saudi arabia chops off noses of folks who were found with tx buying your wine, you would do what?
mats: my understanding of his point is that proof-of-solvency is a monkey patch that attempts to paper over defects in human relations with technical solutions
mats: and i see that
znort987: asciilifeform, danielpbarron: coinbase is not the issue. the core issue is that by making addies public, it affects coinz fungibility.
danielpbarron: mats, there's also the point that bitcoin taint is only a thing when it can be used against the USG and other enemies of the republic
asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, his contention was that the heuristic ~does not work~, rather than 'should not be relied on'
danielpbarron: znort987, see ^
znort987: if we keep publishing addies on bbet, we create exposure for our users.
asciilifeform: znort987: and if you stop, you turn into clone of 'fairlay'
znort987: on the other hand, if we hide them behind - say - a user account, or hash, or encrypt them with a user public key, we remove transparency
asciilifeform: not my place to say 'you should' or 'should not.'
asciilifeform: but - fact.
znort987: asciilifeform: exactly
mats: does new bbet have new promise that coins will originate from address 1X...Y?
asciilifeform: znort987: i'd say that getting out of coinbase, and similar insanity, or at the very least 'washing' their coinz, if they insist on using usgbase, is the responsibility of the affected users, not of bbet.
znort987: mats: nope. wallet used to send payouts has all kinds of addies in it. it has a lot of 1X* because when I rebuild the cold wallet I pumped 20K addies in it at once, and they all came out that way.
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah but I'm a sucker for making user's life easier/better, my bias I guess.
danielpbarron imagines the lulz one might farm from laundering bitcoin first through ethereum or a similar scam, as a step between coinbase and bitbet, to see if someone else gets stuck with the 'blacklisted' coinz
znort987: danielpbarron: working around coinbase policies is not hard, but 90% of users aren't savvy enough to pull it off
znort987: anyhoo ... gotta jet. will be back now that I've actually managed to get on irc properly. ta.
danielpbarron: cool
danielpbarron: $v 2CC0A436A5EF94E5B31CC5A52FAC36AAD54EEE99C710B9BE2EC02C85529C030D
deedbot: danielpbarron rated znort987 1 << bought BitBet after it was delisted and put into receivership
mats: danielpbarron: i don't follow this bit about taint only being a thing when used against usg
mats: something prevents them from mixing?
mats: exchanging for services rendered?
danielpbarron: nothing prevents
danielpbarron: see: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-23#1064420 and continued in the next line http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-23#1064421☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:23 mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:24 mircea_popescu: in this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 425222 | Current Difficulty: 2.0189321085305896E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 425375 | Next Difficulty In: 153 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 22 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: Framedragger [,,,] .soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? << yes. http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521487 << this is like "bycicle as alternative to combustion". really ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:47 phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521490 << this just means you aren't, really. if you were you;d know.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:50 phf: well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
mircea_popescu: balked*
phf: sick gains
BingoBoingo: Hail Brodin!
phf: right, exactly, the sentiment was "these cars consistently kill the driver and a dozen of people on the roade, bicycles sound not half bad now"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521510 << nowadays they ... just about do.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:12 phf: it's like if bloomberg terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
mircea_popescu: in other news i had drinks with the dominicans running the official bar of the hos do kids' day event ; will put pics up as soon as im done with this log
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521544 << how did that happen ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:30 znort987: yahoo email account was hacked. hacker used it to email kako, davout and pete begging for coinz
mircea_popescu: oh i guess he's gone now is he ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521579 <<< ahahaha lol!☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:43 znort987: coinbase threatens their customers with account closure if they are caught either sending to or receiving from bbet
mircea_popescu: check out who suddenly grew a pair of balls! the perambulating dickhead "entrepreneur"
mircea_popescu: really, time usg got a brian armstrong v2.0, this one's stale.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521589 << it's ridiculous anyway, you're not supposed to use usg.scam as a fucking wallet in any case. withdraw funds to own wallet first, problem solved.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:45 danielpbarron: they are helping you select for decent customers
mircea_popescu: "oh but i don't want to run a node" "fu"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521604 << alf has it.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:48 asciilifeform: znort987: i'd say that getting out of coinbase, and similar insanity, or at the very least 'washing' their coinz, if they insist on using usgbase, is the responsibility of the affected users, not of bbet.
mircea_popescu: the notion of catering to consumer is rather orthogonal to the notion of being in bitcoin. this breach must be addressed early and cleanly, lest management of any project spends all its time hopping up and down aimlessly.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521615 << you familiar with the original source of the phrase "vae victis" ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 20:01 mats: exchanging for services rendered?
mircea_popescu: you can put literally anything in the balance. "they killed my auntie". fuck them.
asciilifeform: meanwhile mircea_popescu , i have a http://www.loper-os.org/pub/saw.jpg to match your http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/periplus-2.jpg .
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck.
asciilifeform: china.
asciilifeform: is what.
mircea_popescu: all this wasted material. we'll never get it back.
asciilifeform: bonus fact is that it crumbled ~while sitting on a shelf~
asciilifeform: not in use.
asciilifeform: and yes, 'let's make this part that takes 100kg of tension out of plastic' is a specifically chinese practice.
asciilifeform: 'let's also sputter-metallize it to look like at least pot metal' is also chinese.
asciilifeform: i bet actual, e.g., aluminum, would have cost ~less~
asciilifeform: but it wouldn't result in chumper buying saw after saw...
asciilifeform: so no go.
mircea_popescu: duralumin actually is perfect for that application. and yes, cheapest than just about anything, incl the plastic.
asciilifeform: ergo вредительство.
asciilifeform: poor sad ru orcs never knew how to correctly wreck 'rotten capitalist' west.
asciilifeform: chinese - know.
asciilifeform: one motherfucking broken hand tool at a time.
asciilifeform: one melamine biscuit at a time.
asciilifeform: and GO an just TRY selling duralumin saw.
asciilifeform: bankrupt in a week.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bonus fact, i finished $job with angle grinder, also chinese, which overheated and began to smoke.
mircea_popescu: heh
znort987: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521634 << unfortunate combo of yahoo security model flaw (they claimed they "obsoleted" security questions when in fact the "obsoleted" part means they can't be changed but can still be used for account recovery) and my being careless/lazy (security question/answers were weak and I never bothered to fix while I could).☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 20:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521544 << how did that happen ?
mircea_popescu: nuts.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : set up your own mailserver if you're going to use email as a security token.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: great till your dns is jacked.
asciilifeform: (or not even.)
mircea_popescu: hey, there's good reasons not to use email as "security"
znort987: mircea_popescu: that's how info@bitbet.us is setup. and asciilifeform is right: email is lame for auth.
mircea_popescu: znort987 anyway, so no bitfinex losses, goot for you.
znort987: like I said earlier, the fact I had never sent email that wasn't encrypted nor signed during the bitbet auction should have been a dead giveaway that it wasn't me talking.
mircea_popescu: ftr, you understand how deeds work ? that'd be the cannonical application for stuff like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521562☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:36 znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
znort987: mircea_popescu: cant say that I do. gotta go read up on it I guess. pointerz ?
mircea_popescu: http://deedbot.org/ < should be pretty self-explanatory.
mircea_popescu: you call it with $deed url
znort987: reading ...
znort987: so IIUC this is a unalterable log of "things stated by GPG key owners" that are somehow shoehorned into the blockchain ? How does the shoehorning actually work ? Do it cost coinz ?
mircea_popescu: it costs very little. it actually works, yes.
mircea_popescu: see the faq, it includes sample code even
thestringpuller: Framedragger: in regards to http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521475 << I was trying to make a point in regards to Ver's idealism. Currently if 1993 AOL "mass adoption" occurs, the underbanked will inevitably be left out due to lacking infrastructure of the sovereign nature. Ver despite calling himself an anarchist is still willing to suck the USG dick, which helps no one. The fact he responded with "You found a new business opportun☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 17:29 Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-13#1520649 && https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/4xj6uw/bitcoin_previously_had_all_the_properties_that/d6fwloo && http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-04#1445489 << ...soo, has anyone an idea how hawala-like exchange structures for say bitcoin could be encouraged? i've read and liked http://thestringpuller.com/2016/06/bitcoin-in-wakanda/ which is more of a vision of course..
znort987: lo and behold, the third line on the page actually says "Frequently Asked Questions" lol
mircea_popescu: znort987 sorry, republic is poor can't currently afford rounded corners.
znort987: mircea_popescu: was just pointing out that I ought to actually look at what I'm looking at. Re bitfinex: neve understood why people would want ever leave their coinz in other people's pockets. pretty much negates everything bitcoin is about.
mircea_popescu: for interest.
mircea_popescu: and ftr people routinely leave bitcoin in other people's pockets. just, in other PEOPLE's pockets. not every walker is people now.
thestringpuller: turns out the FED physically delivers cash without KYC everyday. who'd of thought?
mod6: So in test-land news; I've created a working totally off-line build for trb.
mod6: essentially, i've taken all the buildroot deps (typically collected from the wan), along with the trb deeds, placed them in a local dir with the build script (modified to suit this process) and launched.
mod6: with some additional work (encoding & signing the buildroot deps) and a simple guide, this could be a thing shortly.
mod6: speaking of which
mod6: ;;later tell danielpbarron You wanna help the Foundation test the latest V99994 incantation?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You wanna help the Foundation test the latest V99994 incantation?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: nice work mod6
shinohai: o7 mod6 just got pm too
mod6: thanks :]
mod6: this is mainly a learning device anyway. as now I can take what i've learned here and apply it to the makefiles.
thestringpuller: mod6: you got a min?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell trinque deedbot rss is broken ??
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ e.g., mircea_popescu last 2 pieces did not show.