mircea_popescu: anyway, the nicole smith case is interesting because of how perfectly she played the lizzards off each other. step 1: got one disowned brother to ally with her agains the other ; step 2 : declared bankruptcy, forcing california bankruptcy court into dispute with texas probate court.
mircea_popescu: STEP 3! SCROTUS picked up the case, bush had solicitor general intercede, because wanting to get more federal jurisdiction over state probate cases.
mircea_popescu: it was a horror ; the baby was born iirc 13 months after the man's demise and their dna matched.
mircea_popescu: i didn't witness it per se, it was just "the talk fo the town" so to speak. at least among a certain set.
mircea_popescu: there's an array of "possible explanations", including that women do in some cases actually naturally conserve sperm.
mircea_popescu: there is no such "known". that's the point of the experts.
mircea_popescu: you get you call your expert to say so, if you can find one
mircea_popescu: VERY MUCH, much more than commonly realised, in the way the us works is predicated on a "can you afford one" system of qualifications.
mircea_popescu: that you'd be living there as opposed to, say, argentina, while entertaining these ridoinculous "not all poor people are imbeciles" delusions is pretty nutty in itself.
mircea_popescu: you want to live in that alt-world where not all poor people are by that fact imbeciles, move to a juntos vencemos place, live with the slime.
mircea_popescu: there's "inner worth" places still. generally, villages and rural areas.
mircea_popescu: ie specifically the sort of arrangement you don't seem to like.
mircea_popescu: six to a room, from 6 to 60yo, every sperm is sacred, that jazz.
mircea_popescu: that they actually try to pretend what you try to pretend, "poverty is not automatically disqualifying"
mircea_popescu: why ? if "i'd love to chat you up but i gotta hurry back to work" applies, boy's poor, and girl either moves on or doesn't.
mircea_popescu: if she doesn't, you've got a sort of place. if she does, you've got another sort of place.
mircea_popescu: you insist in living in one while holding the ideology of the other.
mircea_popescu: again - the test is given. what, you expect this to be resolved from hitler's own throne, administratively and universally, as if somehow universal knowledge is possible ?
mircea_popescu: what's this, "i'll consider looking at how nonsensical my nonsense is if you bake in this other nonsense" ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, upon examination it's obvious we don't agree on "the definition of poverty". you apparently imagine it is a boolean ; and idiocy also.
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : in any situation when symbol.poverty is defined, symbol.idiocy is also defined and equals 1.
mircea_popescu: mno. if it ever makes sense to say "i am poor", in whatever context, for whatever reason, EVER ; it then therefore and for this reason as sole and sufficient it also makes sense to say "i am stupid".
a111: Logged on 2016-03-14 16:36 mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of people who, however poor may they be irl, are still not driven by the poverty so to speak.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, should the operator be interested in resolving the poverty issue, the solution is always and without exception being less stupid ; notwithstanding that the tempting path usually taken is being more stupud, for some reason reminescent of that great pacino monologue in devil's advocate.
mircea_popescu: there's pretty much nothing i can say about it, turns out.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even convinced "summon nazi alien troops, massacre anyone" is solution.
mircea_popescu: money's always there ; i guess there's no coins, bills, whatever.
phf: "be less stupid" might possibly be a cellular automaton. you can take steps according to certain rules, but the state of less stupid is emergent
mircea_popescu: phf the problem becomes rapidly complex as the tasks involved go above "i would like my snatch to not stink"
mircea_popescu: generally complexity-reducing rules are for instance much more effectual as a class than ~anything else.
mircea_popescu: hence why the various complex fabulations of the psycho-overactive are so dimly regarded.
mircea_popescu: the number 4 in there isn't comparable to the number 4 as you compared it ; they're different things.
mircea_popescu: all math and no physics makes scientist a socialist!!11
mircea_popescu: in the context it was used, "i would like my snatch to not stink" made up the whole of the universe ; in the context you used it, it's part of a larger universe. this comparison is invalid.
mircea_popescu: i said "phf the problem becomes rapidly complex as the tasks involved go above "i would like my snatch to not stink"". this is a statement of the nature of, "geometry becomes rapidly longer as the number of possible dimensions goes above 1". you said "and i never for a moment disagreed with 'snatch stinks? yer poor & stupid'". this is a statement of the nature of "if you only describe one dimension, you suck at geometry". thi
mircea_popescu: s is nonsensical, because the "1" was also "all". a geometry describing one dimension in a world where only one dimension may exist is not any worse than a geometry describing three in a world with three. they're exactly the same thing : the complete story of geometry.
mircea_popescu: (the agreement i inferred to have with phf as a result of that statement was "it's not even clear what sort of hyperexponential is involved, it grows so fast". we don't have any sort of upper bounds.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, a specific definition of poverty is, much like euler's god, not actually necessary for this discussion.
mircea_popescu: i said "a specific definition is not required for the discussion", you opted to stuff some nonsense into that.
mircea_popescu: "what kind of house can i build if you and your wife aren't seated on a couch watching tv as we build the walls around you!!!1"
mircea_popescu: the couch really is not your business, we're discussing whether this beam is horizontal or not, and if these angles sum up to the right value.
mircea_popescu: depends on the concept of stupidity involved, really. they're not separate.
mircea_popescu: ie, some definitions of stupidity require universal poverty. as for instance documented re argentina.
mircea_popescu: these people can't be rich no matter what the fuck happens to them.
mircea_popescu: as proven by the fact that they have to date meaninglessly squandered ~5 fortunes.
mircea_popescu: first, the german made them rich buying leather to make the pikehauberk. then, grain in ww2. then borrowed. then defaulted. then borrowed. etc.
mircea_popescu: they're poorer than they've ever been ; people point and laugh at venezuela, but venezuela never fucking had the blessing of such an euro outpour.
mircea_popescu: sure. but the ineptitude of the junker class is well documented ; and i daresay well understood.
mircea_popescu: but really, voltaire actually had a fine blueprint, EARLY. they just didn't read him.
mircea_popescu: eh, "degenerate russian aristocrats" is simply french wanna-be ism. nothing russian there.
mircea_popescu: there's at least the french sensationalism and the nordic solipsism variants.
mircea_popescu: classification is obviously a function of classifier's patience. "all butterflies are moths and that's good enough for a day's work."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, depends which set of magazines made it across the overflowing rivers that spring, you know.
mircea_popescu: "russian aristocracy" would have paraded nude with a bone-done hairdo, if it came to it.
mircea_popescu: or sit around and smoke and meditate. the "absconse scottish lord" figure in british literature very much typifies the trope.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a deep reason hitler "beloved bayern". it's complicated, all this flow, but in the end - the "treuloser Feinglinge" version of the dolchstoss libel, while factually unsubstantiated, is entirely comprehensible historically.
mircea_popescu: i've been kinda waiting for the proper greek drama of "hitler as the executor of his own demise through countering his allies' enmity as best he can"
mod6: asciilifeform: is nsa's trb down?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, as we were discussing probate lulz in the us recently :
mircea_popescu: so doris duke was this rando slut inheriting some decent chunk of change from the guy who owned lucky strike. she did all sorts of things, including funding duke university. then she died and left a will, naming her butler as executioner, leaving duke 10mn and stipulating that anyone contesting the will is to get nothing.
mircea_popescu: within a decade of her death, her chosen executor was replaced by us court ; morgan stanley president ; duke uni president and some other dubious schmucks appointed executors
mod6: connect() failed after select(): Connection refused
mod6: we'll see. oh shit, duh, you're blocking me anyway.
mod6: how did this work before i wonder lol?
mircea_popescu: the various things the woman wanted financed got defunded "for perpetuating the Duke family history of personal passions and conspicuous consumption". and well... this being in 2004 i imagine the money is by now well spent by the usg.
mod6: i keep forgetting that. my bad.
mod6: asciilifeform: it's a test env
mod6: as soon as there is a non-us wot-enabled btc provider... i might think about a bare metal thing for this.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, nannerl o keohane, at the time duke head, is certainly a fine example of lizard dome architect.
mircea_popescu: this is why folks behead any and all bureaucrats every 7 years.
mod6: <+mod6> as soon as there is a non-us wot-enabled btc provider... i might think about a bare metal thing for this. << i may not wait for this... i dunno, will have to see.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you read the thing you're bound to recognize the by-now standard and documented playbook.
mircea_popescu: not clear what heir could have done, other than you know, gaddafi all over himself.
mircea_popescu: iirc the last time you used the symbol it got challenged into meaninglessness.
mircea_popescu: heck, saudi fortunes seem i ntreouble. the us moved to vacuuming up far east private fortunes recently.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-06 00:54 mircea_popescu: and you've got A LOT of things built in, not just "antispam". you got admin hardening ; gpg comments ; auto-spam tagging, ddos protection, anti-trackback flood and etc.
mircea_popescu: the irony being that they entirely miss the mistakes. but whatever,
mircea_popescu: once they stop being poor maybe they can afford hiring actual experts.
mircea_popescu: and prove for the nth time that... a) nobody reads the "mainstream" media so no possibility of competing in the direct and b) they have no money anyway, nor any interest in any form of reality, so they can't buy anything from you anyway.
deedbot: Bugpowder voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: hey Bugpowder, how goes?
mod6: he probably reads the logs.
ben_vulpes: oh man if he can throw the vote tracking systems into chaos...
ben_vulpes: he could hose so much just by demanding ballots with signatures.
☟︎ ben_vulpes: and if anyone could exclude diebold and friends from the party it'd be him
☟︎ ben_vulpes: not to mention that the left cooked the diebold narrative to begin with.
ben_vulpes: phf, shinohai, trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: i elected to nuke the "stale comments" thing, i'd be much obliged if any of y'all have a patch for that. in exchange i've got a patch on wp-comments.php for the suffix trick, not that it's hard or anything
☟︎ ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i pulled out the "comment_checks"
ben_vulpes: and specifically, commented out the line starting with if (((time ...
mircea_popescu: explain yourself vaguely and convolutedly now, maybe that's more practical in your present state of intoxication!
mircea_popescu: now then. what are you trying to get and what did you do for it ?
ben_vulpes: 1) i commented out the line in wp-comments that checks for the delta between now and the comment time being greater than or less than two magic numbers.
ben_vulpes: that fixed the comment processor complaining about stale pages or whatever
mircea_popescu: well... in the sense that it doesn't check anymore, yes.
ben_vulpes: 2) i added the suffix generation routine to the template page, and appended the suffix to the relevant form names.
ben_vulpes: 3) i excised a tril_ from wp-comments.php, replacing it with my db prefix
ben_vulpes: maybe? vaguely concerned that the thing is subtly broken in other ways not immediately apparent.
ben_vulpes: also *zero* clue of what to do to avoid dushensking the instance
mircea_popescu: well, you're vulnerable to comment flood and to harvester/spammer pairs, but otherwise should be ok.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-07 22:02 BingoBoingo: ;;later tell davout delete xmlrpc.php from your wordpress install and you will be 95% of the way to securing your blawg
mircea_popescu: ah, that's a pretty stupid idea in that it kills pingbacks, which are a rather important contextualization tool.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't let randos use your xmlrpc to spam etc LIKE STOCK WP STILL DOES
ben_vulpes: ah no, staleness checks still failing for some reason.
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a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 05:12 ben_vulpes: phf, shinohai, trinque, asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: i elected to nuke the "stale comments" thing, i'd be much obliged if any of y'all have a patch for that. in exchange i've got a patch on wp-comments.php for the suffix trick, not that it's hard or anything
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: he could hose so much just by demanding ballots with signatures.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 05:08 ben_vulpes: and if anyone could exclude diebold and friends from the party it'd be him
mircea_popescu: yes, yes, i get it : life is a contest for life, and you have your favourite horse. this is fine. the important point here however isn't so much "what trump can accomplish" but "mp is as far as the internet can tell trump's campaign strategist. because no one other has better proof."
mircea_popescu: it's echafaudage. you don't come out with what you want ; you come out with the principle poorly embodied. op protests, you change it.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's not reactive to this low level "i shall now examine cracks" approach.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. for instance - i could supply observers, working on this principle.
mircea_popescu: in other words - the us became an orcland during obama's tenure. sad but tru.
mircea_popescu: mass/nh actually don't require citizenship at all iirc.
mircea_popescu: "Every male person, being twenty-one years of age, and resident in any particular town in this Commonwealth for the space of one year next preceding, having a freehold estate within the same town, of the annual income of three pounds, or any estate of the value of sixty pounds, shall have a right to vote in the choice of a Representative or Representatives for the said town."
mircea_popescu: anyway ; seems a fine principle, and i see no other available.
mircea_popescu: "resident ; show income of one bitcoin ; or holdings of twenty bitcoin ; may vote"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: a million or two votes should be enough for this entire planet.
mircea_popescu: (the astute reader has no doubt long ago figured out that by jiggling the last figure before the _ one can see the rest of any set)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in principle if you make "generic" silicone you can then "fpga" it out of metal mask cuts
mircea_popescu: thing is, given the tiny process now used, this is actually not such a terrible approach, for many projects.
mircea_popescu: yes. but the process itself is cheap, and the chinese will proceed to pirate. as per above.
mircea_popescu: look : we keep "having these threads" where you keep sprouting nonsense about how you think the world works. we'll have them until either you give up on thinking you have a clue on these things ; or i get tired of it.
mircea_popescu: there's no way out which consists of "the world alligning to alf fantasy".
mircea_popescu: the bar for having a clue is owning and operating foundry, not being one of the monkeys foundry may at its leisure employ
mircea_popescu: this being the problem : those aren't valid substitutes.
mircea_popescu: whether you have or don't have a clue as to the economic process involved isn't related to my having or not having one. you can't simply run around turning any statement into any random converse, what sort of javascript is this!
mircea_popescu: which is the problem with your clue - it is an anticlue, fed by delusional notions of design purism with no practical exposure whatsoever. in meta-world "nobody buys" metallization fpga for miner asic. in real world, it makes a billion dollars in sales over 5 years, ie, more than ~any "proper" chip class.
mircea_popescu: i get it why you think it's beneficial to be narrow minded. get it that this virtually never works to any sort of useful or interesting conclusion.
mircea_popescu: look, it's not a value judgement on you. i'm interested in the process.
mircea_popescu: do you see where the "oh i know how these assholes are cheating their customers" and "oh chinese have no economic incentive" do not communicate in your head ?
mircea_popescu: well it's unclear what the fuck it'll be, but it's pretty evident, at least to me, that the chinese ARE trying to erode the whole xilinx tower of ip.
mircea_popescu: so then the correct statement would have been "it's not clear yet if it'll ever be useful", with which i agree, not "it can't happen".
mircea_popescu: for instance, if the product is nato-free comms drone, then yes it might well be
mircea_popescu: hence why i say drones. you recall the thread ? with "air fence"| for olympics ?
mircea_popescu: well, it is possible on the basis of the observable data the chinese are coming to your view.
mircea_popescu: the one thing that never can exist is the current market.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : when management starts talking about "current market" it's time to sell. they've lost all contact.)
mircea_popescu: anyway. the big thing with this faux fpga thing is that it's very cheap. the much more important smaller thing is that it makes it god damned easy to steal usian ip.
mircea_popescu: the us is weak ; it has already proved its unwillingness to pursue in the field ; their only response ("we'll ban the faux items at border") is exceptionally inadequate here : you'll get left behind by tech train if oyu do.
mircea_popescu: the us already proved it's willing to do anything for sv lobby, and so the chinese are drip feeding the "capitalists" and waiting.
mircea_popescu: (but yes, the fact that the dos did NOT put into obama's files the observation that the "labour" dispute in silicon valley was chinese driven test run is exactly the sort of thing that feeds my spite for the whole of usg as a "state". it's a state like a collection of mahjongg players is a state.)
shinohai: ben_vulpes: i didn't have to do anything to get it all to work besides diff and apply phf 's patch and directions
mircea_popescu: o yeah how's that monster project coming along shinohai ?
shinohai: I decided to stuff the whole thing in an .img file so you don't have to reinvent the whole server wheel every time
mircea_popescu: it's a much larger and more complex task like that ; best get the small discrete tip sorted out first.
mircea_popescu: it's not expected this iteration will yield "better pci". merely - pci that you don't pay the license for.
mircea_popescu: sure. it'll take a while to dissolve. maybe even... a coupla decades ?
mircea_popescu: yeah well, this is chinese restaurant. they don't do al a carte, they just bring you stuff.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't go as far as that. but not entirely unfamiliar.
mircea_popescu: the problem is russians are, for all their ridiculous orcishness, still white people.
mircea_popescu: moreover, this is exactly their first run in with first world problems. there's no history to go by.
mircea_popescu: anyway. a large part of the problem with "i think better in symbols" is exactly evident here : sure, you think you do, much like dude in bathtub feels he's going faster. nevertheless YOU CANT FUCKING EXPLAIN WHAT YOU THOUGHT.
mircea_popescu: in any case it is much better to have food, kill you slowly and the quod me nutrit bridge than just repeat 餐飲 until you fall down and then be worshipped as a very wise man - hey, 5k yo wisdom "directly applicable" today.
mats: i've never been to the chinese restaurant where they just bring you stuff
mats: are you describing dim sum carts?
mircea_popescu: mats no. you sit down, they ask what kind of WINE you want if any ; and then they bring you 30 plates
mircea_popescu: there's a hot plate built in the table to cook your own meat
mircea_popescu: this is everyfucking where heh. but sure, in the coupla blocks of ba that constitute the "china town", between a kitchy gate and two dragon statues.
covertress: Japanese do this also, with a central-table soup pot everyone shares.
mats: 'hot pot' is a thing, but i've not seen a chinese place with hot plates unless they're also korean fusion or something
mats: yeah. more flavors in hot pot, in my experience, like 麻辣
mats: which is chinese peppercorn
mircea_popescu: ~the only thing i liked about it was that the meat was cut very thin and you could hold-cook it to a very fine degree.
covertress: it certainly can be... depends on how hungry everyone is. lol
mircea_popescu: though in general this is the job of the god damned cook, which is why i don't eat just anywhere.
covertress: mircea_popescu, you never eat this way at home? always go out?
mircea_popescu: covertress yeah ok, but say shrimp needs 40 seconds ; veal maybe 70 ? whereas the mushrooms five fucking minutes or w/e.
mircea_popescu: covertress i on occasion cook, but euro dishes. i do eat most everything at home, i even have sushi expert chick nao!
covertress: mircea_popescu yes, there is an art to timing the meal. comes with practice.
covertress: mircea_popescu, which are your fav euro dishes?
mircea_popescu: ah, not so simple as all that. depends what mood i wake up in et all.
mircea_popescu: tho i couldn't be arsed to make it anymore than cazu marzu.
covertress: ahhh... fine cheese is another weakness of mine
mircea_popescu: you should see these people. i bought two hot peppers, they sold them with nuclear warhead warnings.
covertress: lately, I've been enjoying Irish, grass-fed varieties. Can distinguish regions sometimes.
mircea_popescu: delicious things, not even hot. barely flavoured one pot.
covertress: I grow my own Japapenos next to Jabaneros, so they cross-polinate and become hotter.
covertress: try a trad red bell pepper next to a ghost chili. ;)
covertress: have you tried Ancho Chili? wonderful flavor yet mild.
covertress: *the secret ingredient in most good Mexican food
mircea_popescu: and in other lulz, "I am here to help you become rich and famous.. If you are not serious in becoming a member please don't even think of adding me or sending me a message because I won't be happy with you.but if you know you are serious and ready to become a member just add me now let's talk and let's get to know each other more better. If you wanna be famous like rihanna, jazzy, Eminem,rick Ross, Lil Wayne, bey once and so
mircea_popescu: on just add and message me..and if you are in Kenya, south Africa, Tanzania,India,Zambia, Ghana, don't add me... Because I can't help you. I can't help you if you are from those country. But if you are in the USA, UK, Saudi Arabia, Switzerland, NIGERIA,Nether land, Poland, and if you are in European and Asia country and so on you can also add me let's talk and I will help you be a member... Once again if you are not serious d
mircea_popescu: on't add me. Thanks for your corporation.. Your satisfaction is what we want. I will be expecting your reply. Just add and inbox me and I will help you to become a member of the great Illuminati.Thanks once again I am Bella Wilfred and your happiness is what we want."
mircea_popescu: country of africaman, has internet, has not map, has not perl, has not way to make lists, has no countrylist datastructure, has nothing.
mircea_popescu: Bey Once. you know, the singin' an' bootyshaking lord of the lordship of once.
covertress: mircea_popescu, do you believe in a multiverse?
mircea_popescu: you mean, in everett's gun sense so dear to alf's heart ?
danielpbarron: multiverse is a contradiction in terms. a universe is already one everything. whatever you call a "multi"-verse is really the whole "uni"-verse redefined
covertress: belief in the theory that multiple universes exist
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform check it out, i get a pictogram response.
mircea_popescu: covertress traditionally theories are not believed or disbelieved ; that's more of a religious practice.
mircea_popescu: covertress also, your image depicts a collapsed eigenstate.
covertress: I'm of the opinion that there is only one universe
danielpbarron: i don't even care for the term universe; it's usually used as a replacement for God, personified and everything ala "the universe did X"
covertress: at the same time, I think that everyone is within their own universe
danielpbarron: pass me the bong when you're done babysitting it, wouldja?
covertress: danielpbarron: the only time I hear "universe" confused with 'god' is from AA members.
mircea_popescu: well aa folks are kinda stuck with this god-but-its-not-god thing...
covertress: not everyone is ready to be the center of their own universe, this is true
mircea_popescu: anyway, i shall go festejar el dia de "lxs ninxs" con las trabajadoras sexuales in constitucion, "barrio donde por la niche muchos no desean transitar".
covertress waves goodbye to mircea_popescu and leaves also
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521460 << this to me seems to be a confusion between metaphysical and epistemological relativism. "what green is to me" is more to do with the latter, and cannot be used to support full-blown idealism (as in berkeley), or "there are multiple universes", or anything else which has specific *metaphysical* commitments.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 17:11 covertress: this is why blue to me is green to you
Framedragger: implied tags will bring us satan, true, but eh
a111: Logged on 2016-04-04 16:22 phf: given the state of things, i'm not convinced that hawala is the worst we can do
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell covertress You gotta get other parties WoT'd up for your press releases to make it to media distribution.
mats: i'd be disappointed if that made its way into qntra
phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
☟︎ phf: probably what thestringpuller means is that "we" (he's speaking to a bunch of reddit anons, so i assume it's purely rhetorical) don't have a wot based market.
BingoBoingo: mats: Well gotta explain the problem in layers. First is people. Next is substance. Then...
phf: well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
☟︎ shinohai: mats: not even if it gets my usual ETH treatment?
phf: but if the question is, why can't reddit produce hawala, the answer is so obvious it's kind of a "no shit". you need
http://glyf.org/socdarw.jpg for hawala, which reddit doesn't have, can't produce and wouldn't recognize when given.
mats: shinohai: I don't want to read about ethereum or ethereum-likes unless it is about holders being herded into cattle cars and gassed
shinohai gets the zyklon canisters out of storage
mats: i was tired of reading about ripples by december 2013
phf: main reason i avoided bitcoin news for years, because it was altcoins mixed with a bunch of ~obviously~ idiotic ventures.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel i'm not keeping interns at the moment
phf: it's like if bloomberg terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
☟︎ ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: oh pish and tosh. the only thing i threw out while banging on mp-wp was the comment time-sensitivity, and i even got around to fixing that.
phf: asciilifeform: yes, that's the first bitcoin article i read end to end. i read satoshi's paper immediately after
phf: i like the first comment, "How many years has ThePirateBay been up? They’re not going to shut down the bitcoin network".
deedbot: znort987 voiced for 30 minutes.
znort987: danielpbarron: I think I've managed to do that in #bitcoin-assets
znort987: but not sure how to pull it off on #trilema
znort987: is deedbot the assbot of #trilema
ben_vulpes: what's all this about a bridge loan, znort987 ?
mats: $gettrust znort987 deedbot
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 0 by 0 connections.
mats: $gettrust deedbot znort987
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 1 by 1 connections.
znort987: ben_vulpes: never been on irc before. i'm actually here to explain
znort987: yahoo email account was hacked. hacker used it to email kako, davout and pete begging for coinz
☟︎ znort987: thing is: I never, ever sent an email to either of these 3 that wasn't a) encrypted b) signed
znort987: whereas hacker just sent plain old text
znort987: anyways ... spent the day chasing the damage he's wrecking in various accounts that were linked to that email
phf: danielpbarron: jerkcity just came up in a conversation with some oldfags. it doesn't really translate and is part of a now dead culture. there's also
http://yellow5.com/pokey/ and some others that i will probably go "oh man i remember thaaat one." if i were to see it. it's back when absurd non sequiturs typed in all caps was a thing, somehow it's part of hacker culture, which i think goes back to zippy the pinhead
danielpbarron: what damage? it got you in here. Should help get more customers if anything
znort987: including a doxx threat if I didn't pay 5 BTC lol
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. and I sent him a private email (properly gpg'd) this morning. he said he had smelled something funny.
danielpbarron: all news is good news when it's about the most serene republic and its citizens
mats: besides the ol' 'mp is a scammer!1', of course
mats: never mind the bit where he tried to take coins that didn't belong to him, used to seed bets...
mats: kako is blameless in the divorce, in his mind
mats: the o-noes-i'm-a-victim bit is played out.
znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
☟︎ phf: danielpbarron: it's essentially bash rendered with microsoft comic chat
znort987: second statement, likely not needed for this crowd bu has to be in the log: znort987@yahoo.com is a compromised email, please ignore anything coming from there unless gpg-signed
znort987: asciilifeform: correct. a bet was paid 72 hours late. RL got in the way. Unfortunate, but nothing to do with solvency.
phf: asciilifeform: was that for me?
znort987: wrt bitbet solvency in general ... not an easy problem. would love to be able to provide a crypto-hard "proof-of-solvency", but ...
mats: if coins dun move, that's proof of solvency imo
znort987: mats: yeah, agreed, but easier said than done. assembling payout tx's by hand from deposit addies exclusive to bet is a PITA
znort987: mats: the second, and slightly more perverse issue is the whole coinbase debacle.
znort987: coinbase threatens their customers with account closure if they are caught either sending to or receiving from bbet
☟︎ znort987: and given that all addies are published on the site, bbet is making their life easy
a111: Logged on 2016-08-12 23:14 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519996 << this is altogether unclear. this "the people have the right to trace the coins" is a) still nonsense, bitcoin is not traceable ; b) still nonsense, forget the "dao" bullshit ; c) still nonsense, you trust the operator or you don't trust the operator.
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah, but that's not the issue
znort987: danielpbarron: understood but ... crypto-hard proof of solvency would be a very nice feature I think.
danielpbarron: znort987, that coinbase bans you should be seen as a feature rather than a bug
mats: my understanding of his point is that proof-of-solvency is a monkey patch that attempts to paper over defects in human relations with technical solutions
znort987: asciilifeform, danielpbarron: coinbase is not the issue. the core issue is that by making addies public, it affects coinz fungibility.
danielpbarron: mats, there's also the point that bitcoin taint is only a thing when it can be used against the USG and other enemies of the republic
znort987: if we keep publishing addies on bbet, we create exposure for our users.
znort987: on the other hand, if we hide them behind - say - a user account, or hash, or encrypt them with a user public key, we remove transparency
mats: does new bbet have new promise that coins will originate from address 1X...Y?
znort987: mats: nope. wallet used to send payouts has all kinds of addies in it. it has a lot of 1X* because when I rebuild the cold wallet I pumped 20K addies in it at once, and they all came out that way.
znort987: asciilifeform: yeah but I'm a sucker for making user's life easier/better, my bias I guess.
danielpbarron imagines the lulz one might farm from laundering bitcoin first through ethereum or a similar scam, as a step between coinbase and bitbet, to see if someone else gets stuck with the 'blacklisted' coinz
znort987: danielpbarron: working around coinbase policies is not hard, but 90% of users aren't savvy enough to pull it off
znort987: anyhoo ... gotta jet. will be back now that I've actually managed to get on irc properly. ta.
danielpbarron: $v 2CC0A436A5EF94E5B31CC5A52FAC36AAD54EEE99C710B9BE2EC02C85529C030D
deedbot: danielpbarron rated znort987 1 << bought BitBet after it was delisted and put into receivership
mats: danielpbarron: i don't follow this bit about taint only being a thing when used against usg
mats: something prevents them from mixing?
mats: exchanging for services rendered?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:23 mircea_popescu: but yes, the entire "taint" bullshit does not work. the correct avenue is exactly the reverse : require to be paid only in "proper" bitcoin, that is to say, bitcoin traceable to X or Y or Z purchase, from agent of the crown, which fictitiously has title.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-23 00:24 mircea_popescu: in this view of Bitcoin, only Draper has any, or whoever bought it from USG.
gribble: Current Blocks: 425222 | Current Difficulty: 2.0189321085305896E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 425375 | Next Difficulty In: 153 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 22 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:47 phf: Framedragger: i was saying hawala as an alternative to bitcoin. that was when we were looking closely at the implementation and finding all kinds of insanity. hawala is a system for tracking long term exposure, and you forego collateral because you have "fuck same woman" wot (i suspect there's still collateral involved when exposure is too high). you don't need hawal when you have near instant calls.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 18:50 phf: well, there is the wot, though nobody here as far as i know is buying/selling. there was also bitcoin-otc, which from what i hear died. i actually tried buying 10btc from a guy that was in bitcoin-otc wot, but we were l3, and he understandably bulked
phf: right, exactly, the sentiment was "these cars consistently kill the driver and a dozen of people on the roade, bicycles sound not half bad now"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:12 phf: it's like if bloomberg terminals were spewing "news" about some guy opening a pizza joint for $5k that he borrowed from his friends, like wtf
mircea_popescu: in other news i had drinks with the dominicans running the official bar of the hos do kids' day event ; will put pics up as soon as im done with this log
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:30 znort987: yahoo email account was hacked. hacker used it to email kako, davout and pete begging for coinz
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:43 znort987: coinbase threatens their customers with account closure if they are caught either sending to or receiving from bbet
mircea_popescu: check out who suddenly grew a pair of balls! the perambulating dickhead "entrepreneur"
mircea_popescu: really, time usg got a brian armstrong v2.0, this one's stale.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:45 danielpbarron: they are helping you select for decent customers
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:48 asciilifeform: znort987: i'd say that getting out of coinbase, and similar insanity, or at the very least 'washing' their coinz, if they insist on using usgbase, is the responsibility of the affected users, not of bbet.
mircea_popescu: the notion of catering to consumer is rather orthogonal to the notion of being in bitcoin. this breach must be addressed early and cleanly, lest management of any project spends all its time hopping up and down aimlessly.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 20:01 mats: exchanging for services rendered?
mircea_popescu: you can put literally anything in the balance. "they killed my auntie". fuck them.
mircea_popescu: duralumin actually is perfect for that application. and yes, cheapest than just about anything, incl the plastic.
znort987:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521634 << unfortunate combo of yahoo security model flaw (they claimed they "obsoleted" security questions when in fact the "obsoleted" part means they can't be changed but can still be used for account recovery) and my being careless/lazy (security question/answers were weak and I never bothered to fix while I could).
☝︎ mircea_popescu: pro tip : set up your own mailserver if you're going to use email as a security token.
mircea_popescu: hey, there's good reasons not to use email as "security"
znort987: mircea_popescu: that's how info@bitbet.us is setup. and asciilifeform is right: email is lame for auth.
znort987: like I said earlier, the fact I had never sent email that wasn't encrypted nor signed during the bitbet auction should have been a dead giveaway that it wasn't me talking.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-14 19:36 znort987: so anyhoo ... reason I'm here is simply to make a statement: bitbet is whole, not a cent of customer funds is ever accessible from the internet, and bitfinex was *never* used (nor were any other online wallets / exchanges / etc ...)
znort987: mircea_popescu: cant say that I do. gotta go read up on it I guess. pointerz ?
znort987: so IIUC this is a unalterable log of "things stated by GPG key owners" that are somehow shoehorned into the blockchain ? How does the shoehorning actually work ? Do it cost coinz ?
thestringpuller: Framedragger: in regards to
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-14#1521475 << I was trying to make a point in regards to Ver's idealism. Currently if 1993 AOL "mass adoption" occurs, the underbanked will inevitably be left out due to lacking infrastructure of the sovereign nature. Ver despite calling himself an anarchist is still willing to suck the USG dick, which helps no one. The fact he responded with "You found a new business opportun
☝︎ znort987: lo and behold, the third line on the page actually says "Frequently Asked Questions" lol
mircea_popescu: znort987 sorry, republic is poor can't currently afford rounded corners.
znort987: mircea_popescu: was just pointing out that I ought to actually look at what I'm looking at. Re bitfinex: neve understood why people would want ever leave their coinz in other people's pockets. pretty much negates everything bitcoin is about.
mircea_popescu: and ftr people routinely leave bitcoin in other people's pockets. just, in other PEOPLE's pockets. not every walker is people now.
thestringpuller: turns out the FED physically delivers cash without KYC everyday. who'd of thought?
mod6: So in test-land news; I've created a working totally off-line build for trb.
mod6: essentially, i've taken all the buildroot deps (typically collected from the wan), along with the trb deeds, placed them in a local dir with the build script (modified to suit this process) and launched.
mod6: with some additional work (encoding & signing the buildroot deps) and a simple guide, this could be a thing shortly.
mod6: ;;later tell danielpbarron You wanna help the Foundation test the latest V99994 incantation?
☟︎☟︎ mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski You wanna help the Foundation test the latest V99994 incantation?
mod6: this is mainly a learning device anyway. as now I can take what i've learned here and apply it to the makefiles.