shinohai: Also, excellent profferings on the culinary front in trilema today, mircea_popescu
shinohai: coltunasi looks absolutely amazing
mircea_popescu: ro cuisine ius sorta like cajun, grew wealthy out of theft and treason.
phf: the log has been sparse, but there's still somehow too much of it!
a111: Logged on 2017-08-10 10:05 mircea_popescu: (nemtsov, recently assassinated, was, of course, the guy putin beat for to
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-21#1687959, yeltsin's chosen successor. ah what a great party it'd have been, for teh pantsuits. clinton forever, herdemocracy herp derp... then gore lost to bush, nemtsov lost to putin, nyc lost to gravity, sads sads sads.)
phf: thinking about the american ngo approach, i only recently put two and two together :o
mircea_popescu: ro had a very identical equivalent. amusingly, also physicist.
☟︎ phf: heh, i really want to chat this subject up, but that's something that i probably shouldn't be talking about. i've no idea what's public and what's private.
☟︎ phf: so in unrelated questions, does anybody by chance know a french or italian pornographic movie, probably 80s, early 90s? the setup is this girl gets invited to a secret party, gets fucked on stage in various creative ways (we're talking blacks in harlequin costumes, rather than sodom), takes taxi back home and there's a prolonged scene in a taxi cab ride home. everything's happening during one night, and the movie has correspondingly dark (vhs-y) tones
mircea_popescu: sounds vaguely like at least a grosse of them. heck, even the original emanuelle is something like that.
phf: yeah. for some reason i thought it was even a salieri movie, but no. it's been bugging me for several days
phf: it's particularly annoying, because sometimes you want to do a localized subtle functional modification while preserving the signature and it won't "let" you
phf: heh, i think those share spikes correspond to when a111 is down
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phf: does that mean that mircea_popescu can buy russia?
phf: on that day btcusd was 2563.99
BingoBoingo: Well, rich Hungarian, of course the dudes caught em
phf: this graph is powered by logs and BingoBoingo running ticker at somewhat regular intervals
a111: Logged on 2016-12-12 20:47 phf: (in random luls, since btcbase doesn't track renames for the longest time i thought that we had an actual "oglafbot" running. i saw BingoBoingo post an update a few times and wondered "what happened to oglafbot")
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i doubt i could relay in words just how fucking incensed the slavegirls get every time that dood refers to his copacetic middle aged gf by the honorific.
mircea_popescu: "really bitch ? she whines about strip club visits ? MOTHERFUCKER!"
BingoBoingo: Well, apparently they aren't incensed enought to start delivering missives on this word crime to Lafond.
mircea_popescu: for all you know they're sending dark paladins to extinguish his dumb ass.
BingoBoingo: And sending dark paladins to make his gf's day job a chore
BingoBoingo: Anyways it appear there is a clear heirarchy: mircea_popescu >> slavegirls >> dark paladins, locusts, Trumpreich, Fna
mircea_popescu: no, fna does whatever the shit he pleases. he's like the trump except walks on ceilings.
mircea_popescu: we laugh a lot, right, and half the time a gekko joins in, as if he got the joke. "ka-ka-ka-kaka"
phf: that's some shit straight out of castaneda
BingoBoingo: "remember when a black supremacist sniper killed 5 cops last year and nobody demanded the president condemn 'black supremacist violence' and then the president went on to condemn the police for being racist?"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:31 phf: heh, i really want to chat this subject up, but that's something that i probably shouldn't be talking about. i've no idea what's public and what's private.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:30 mircea_popescu: ro had a very identical equivalent. amusingly, also physicist.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 02:40 phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-11#1697030 << there are ways to silence almost all the "helpful" style warnings, but i couldn't figure out how to fight this one, short of disabling the locks.
phf: asciilifeform: nah, there certainly aren't secrets (that i know). i don't know what's been written on the subject, but clearly everything's obvious to dedicated observers. my point is that some things are purview of journalists and historians.
phf: this sbcl behavior seems old, i have it at least since 1.0.29.11 which is 2009 or so
phf: so are style-warnings, e.g. in same version "STYLE-WARNING: using deprecated EVAL-WHEN situation names EVAL LOAD COMPILE"
phf: so this possibly invalidates my original thesis of "wreckers in sbcl!11" i just haven't spent as much time there as i have under other implementations
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mod6: deedbot might have added the second '!' since then.
mod6: mike_c: it's now ``!!up'' and ``!!v <OTP>''
mod6: how ya been mike_c ?
mike_c: I have been pretty good, certainly keeping myself busy.
mike_c: although probably with the wrong things.
mike_c: i'm trying to buy myself some goats, I heard this was the right place.
mircea_popescu: wow, seriously, what have you been doing for all teh time!
mike_c: 18 months? Mostly work (couple jobs since then) and child raising.
mike_c: both of which are going reasonably well
mircea_popescu: but not even say hi or anything ? we were figuring 50-50 you got liek, shot by men in black or something.
mike_c: i know, right. It's frustrating prioritizing time. Didn't have time to hang, definitely not to work, so felt weird dropping in once a month and saying "hey, haven't done anything, don't have time to do anything"
☟︎ mike_c: me too. and vice versa.
mod6: i've been optimistic though; know you've been busy. don't hesitate to drop us a line tho!
mod6: you're were starting to enter vrag territory.
mike_c: indeed. I was excited to see that launch. nice work ascii!
mike_c: i'm working my way through the shop now.
mike_c: I've got to catch up on the client release notes too, see what mod6 has been up to.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of new shit, actually. heck, it's unthinkable, but i guess 90% of the republican stuff was made in the past 18 months. i have nfi how this works, somehow the feeling is that "nothing changed" right, it was the same thing then too, no ? yes, and yet... there's v and there's a whole new pile of bots and on it goes.
mike_c: v I was around for. at least the beginnings.
hanbot: oh hey, mike_c! howdy!
mike_c: I will definitely check that out.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mike_c but look at the new v-based trb build << yah, if you're interested in standing up a node, we'll talk ya through it.
mircea_popescu: and trinque was about to release a payments thing for deedbot by ... end of july yo! and then there's the ffa growing towards a proper tmsr-rsa, and of course the gossipd sandbox, and a coupla yet sikrit items and so on
mircea_popescu: hm... should i lower the pay-for-tits moar ? i mean 2 bitcents is nigh on a hundred bux by now wtf.
mike_c: stfu, seriously? I managed to avoid that a decade ago.
mircea_popescu: mike_c it was decided lisp is not really exotic enough anymore, we had to move.
mod6: it's pretty amazing, really.
mod6: i've had to learn ada just to keep up & read the thing. help test where I can.
mod6: it's actually not too bad.. just uber strict.
mod6: i think, for the most part, it took me like ~8-12 weeks to get the hang of it.
mike_c: Yeah, that was my impression. It is certainly not a bad choice for crypto
mod6: ah yah, Mr. P. created his own hash function
mike_c: ok, yeah, I read that one.
mod6: is there a trilema post on UCI?
mircea_popescu: and now the idea is... since this could ALSO be used as a padder (in the rsa sense), a reverser is needed (takes r and s and spits out m)
mod6: Unified Computing Interface
mod6: It's an ongoing project. The tickets are above, kinda outlines the idea ^
mod6: mircea_popescu: ah, ok. couldn't recall.
mike_c: stan's theory for a mesh networked internet at least, I don't remember him proposing it for computing
mircea_popescu: mod6 you prolly have a point there, i should write since it keeps coming up when trying to get intelligent people up to speed.
mircea_popescu: now if only i knew what the fuck i want with it to any meaningful degree...
mod6: mike_c: i had quite a bit of fun testing those FGs; worked pretty great for me.
mod6: all my test results and stuff are posted
mike_c: I'm looking forward to being able to generate a key that I can actually trust.
mike_c: yes, a necessary but not sufficient part
mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap?
☟︎ mod6: there was a bug that was discovered like a year ago
mike_c: yeah, I want to dig up some logs on the rsa stuff.
deedbot: lobbes voiced for 30 minutes.
jhvh1: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
mod6: <+mike_c> mod6 - you mentioned I might need some hand holding. anything I need to know that's not in
http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html ? << that /should/ be all you need to know. less steps in the on-line version, but use which ever you need.
mod6: feel free to ask any questions.
mike_c: ok, I'll take a crack at it.
mod6: cool, let us know how it goes. :]
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 20:58 mike_c: yeah, well, from what I remember that's what killed cardano, no? that gpg turned out to be a pile of crap?
mike_c: yeah, mp mentioned that. I'm going to scour some logs for more info on it.
mike_c: oh, it's called "p"? that will make log-scouring so easy!
a111: Logged on 2017-07-15 23:16 asciilifeform: !~later tell mod6
http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/fact.tar.gz << complete kit for above. sha512==26198604bff50d3411e343a30b97f4babe3a6b291fca267435cecd6a5438a08862b550198a49dd5549dda00c841d95afc1443f597587710b83c7fa65effa9c73
a111: Logged on 2017-07-16 20:11 asciilifeform: for anyone not tuned in : ^ computes factorial of 65536.
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mike_c: what's the intended purpose for the bitcoin pieces? you going to port the client to ada?
mike_c: so.. first a compiler for this subset?
mike_c: I've got reading to do.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, bitcoin doubled once mp defeated our dumb shit ? THIS ONLY GOES TO PROVE OUR DUMB SHIT IS INDEFEATABLE!!11"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo don't you just love how the tards went straight on from "bitcoin cash" to "segwit" without skipping a beat ? << Well, they soft forked segwit. Their new hill is TWO mb blocks
BingoBoingo: They set themselves up the segwit bomb. Now it's 2x that Sillybert wants to shill.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know,
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
trinque: how the fuck did a B get in there, lol
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 05:36 mircea_popescu: trinque re last para, what's wrong with you know,
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-03#1693444 ? basically replace "The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which relays it to T, meanwhile revealing it to L. T replies to D with either "OK" or "FAIL", and a transaction is complete." with "T sends hash(C) to L, encrypted(C) to D. The user decrypts the ciphertext and returns the cleartext OTP to D, which
mircea_popescu: trinque there's no way to prove owner of secret S did not share secret S with someone else. that's why "key sharing" dun work for rsa/bitcoin/etc.
mircea_popescu: the ~only approach is to come up with secret parts, but this is contrary to design goals in context.
mircea_popescu: accidental re-use of otps would however become obvious to L the moment he sees two hash(C)s equal. he can complain even before the user responds to the otppad.
mircea_popescu: but outside of this, "has T told X about Y's otp" is very much a "you wouldn't download a car" type of problem.