tmsr - Log 2018-11-29

BingoBoingo: Nah, I think I forgot to ping trinque that my blog rebuilt completed with success

BingoBoingo: Anyways, let me know if anyone or anything that should be in the sidebar is missing

Mocky: "must be open sores contributor, love python 3" what's next? "line cook, must love toasters with cancel buttons" ☟︎

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875895 << all that's left of the us pretense to an economy is government wankolade. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 22:17 Mocky: so many of the jobs out there want secret government clearance now, jeez. who do they think they are kidding with their super secret shit

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sub was diesel, but sub and reactor are both outside Argentina's maintenance ability

mircea_popescu: incidentally, the whole usg "clearance" wank narrowly mirrors the quatari "sponsorhip employment" wank. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 01:07 Mocky: "must be open sores contributor, love python 3" what's next? "line cook, must love toasters with cancel buttons" ☟︎

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875118 <-- point well taken. my schedule is still a bit erratic at the moment, so what do you think about making the switch on monday (3rd dec)? I'll be tuned in starting cca 6pm utc. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 14:38 trinque: spyked: point is a simple "hey trinque, lets make the swap at $date, and get the PM subscriptions ported over meanwhile"

spyked: re pm feeds: if no one objects to this, just gpg me a list of the feeds and the recipients and I'll add them manually.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875503 <-- /me ordered a c101pa from shitazon recently, will make prime target for cuntoo testing. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 19:51 mircea_popescu shall buy a lappy just to try trinque's thing on!

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875439 <-- this has been on my mind after seeing http://trilema.com/2018/this-gns-thing/#selection-317.47-317.193 . the next immediate step in my queue after publishing rss bot vpatches will be to look at automating communication with deedbot. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-27 19:12 mircea_popescu: i imagine that'll be spyked's next thing, bot-driven vtrees mirror service.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875935 << last i knew , there were still a coupla open problems re actually using that box ( in particular, i did not yet succeed, and presently haven't the time to continue, in baking a bootloader for it that loads non-googlistic kernels ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 13:35 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-27#1875503 <-- /me ordered a c101pa from shitazon recently, will make prime target for cuntoo testing.

asciilifeform: iirc phf did turn his c101pa into ~some~ form of usable

asciilifeform: ( and yes google's loader ~will~ load custom kernels, but only if you sign'em with their tool, so then gotta keep whole shitchain around )

asciilifeform: spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848779 was where i stopped last. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 19:07 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848650 << update : flashing in the uboot with the dram turd from vendor fw, did nothing detectable

asciilifeform: it's a solvable, of course, problem , theoretically 100% of the iron init coad is published . but somebody would have to put in the sweat to port it into e.g. stock uboot.

asciilifeform: then and only then , c101pa will turn into an item like rk, where you can operate strictly with self-built contents

asciilifeform: presently, cuntoo won't run there (even if trinque's process can be coaxed into building arm64 bins) cuz it has no way of blessing the kernel. ☟︎

asciilifeform: spyked: if you're interested in arm64ifying cuntoo, i recommend to begin with rk.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875930 << hilariously, i recently tried to run a simple numeric proggy on a box infested with python3 , and found that it utterly breaks the numeric stack : once you do e.g. x = x / 3 you can no longer e.g. x >> 1 -- because the / converted it to 'float' ! holy mother of fuck. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 06:10 a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 01:07 Mocky: "must be open sores contributor, love python 3" what's next? "line cook, must love toasters with cancel buttons"

asciilifeform: presumably they've introduced some new demented syntax for integer divides ? i have nfi, and could not be arsed to find out.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875928 << it does indeed ; usg ministry of whateverthefuck in fact charges corp 20-30k $ for the privilege of having a new d00d pierced into secre-pederasty ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 06:09 mircea_popescu: incidentally, the whole usg "clearance" wank narrowly mirrors the quatari "sponsorhip employment" wank.

asciilifeform: ( and iirc, the cost is in fact ~open-ended~, and is proportionate to how many hours the pinkertons actually feel like sinking into particular d00d ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: traditionally, folx who show symptoms of being able to survive outside of the reich, disqualified.

Mocky: looks like Roger Ver's bitcoin.com is looking for java and js developers for their mining team http://archive.is/MlomS ☟︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-20#1873779 << see also ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-20 03:38 mircea_popescu: i have nfi, it's pretty fucking lulzy though. i mean, there's a long list of these defeateds by "fate", but he's one of the most hysterically humiliated humbugs.

asciilifeform: apparently at least 4 still-not-gone-for-glue horses in usg's stable ( gavin, buterin, wright, ver )

Mocky: so many damn recruiters. they're like mosquitos in a swamp. they all want to 'have a call' and then 'a skype' 'see if you'll be a good fit'. ugh. two years out of college with a degree in hr, you're gonna decide if i'm worthy to be submitted for a job, and then pressure me to take low ball offer. ☟︎

Mocky: this is why i worked for the same company for 14 years, i hate this shit. but also what made me soft target for their betrayal ☟︎

Mocky: i'm convinced this whole ecosystem of outside recruiters is 100% byproduct of startup "investing" that props up the illusion of "high growth" companies that burn thru cash by hiring people so they will qualify for more money ☟︎

asciilifeform 100% in agreement with Mocky , saecular work suxx

asciilifeform: Mocky: i've even worked in a salt mine where the bottle was Officially (i shit thee not) issued, erry friday at noon. ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'happy time'

asciilifeform: srsly there was a bar, of sorts, built in, on the grounds

asciilifeform: ( same people where http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875901 ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 22:46 asciilifeform: ( d00d had pretty good gig: opened safe in the morning, closed in evening, and played 'wow' all day... )

Mocky: reminds me of "20% time", "work on your own projects on friday since we know you'll be doing that anyway"

asciilifeform: afaik this went away with the 1st 'dotcom' hysteria

asciilifeform: ( and only even existed on paper in west coast sv shitholes; where stipulation was 'IF you've shat out your quota before friday', which typically is approx as likely as in gulag in 1950 )

Mocky: I interviewed with a job once that offered "unlimited paid time off" but inside reports were that anyone who tried to use was instantly on the shit list

asciilifeform: it's unfortunate that mircea_popescu is asleep right nao, otherwise he could tell us about how we're idjits and how working for living is for lusers, and how troo hero can run on sunlight and do as he pleases ☟︎

Mocky: in truth i do feel like idjit for being old man without the brains to have saved anything. i don't even have a workshop full of shit like asciilifeform ☟︎☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: Mocky: as mircea_popescu is fond of pointing out, workshop is very much 2edged sword

asciilifeform: arguably it is better to be '100% theoretical' and have 'workshop' that fits in briefcase, as e.g. phf does

asciilifeform: Mocky: to a 1st approximation, 'saving' in the reich dun actually work, see e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-23#1843888 , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666161 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-29#1574483 , elsewhere. ☝︎☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 17:37 asciilifeform: and indeed usgulag is powered by not only printing press but confiscating savings from ~randomly-picked engineers, little-league 'ceo', etc . a la mr stack.

a111: Logged on 2017-06-05 19:09 asciilifeform: it is interesting how phrase 'life savings' already has an archaic 'patina coat' -- same flavour as 'workhouse', 'savings & loan', 'joint stock'

a111: Logged on 2016-11-29 02:36 asciilifeform: there was iirc something about how an economic landscape stable enough for 'savings' is an ephemeral and quite unnatural thing, rather like billiard table

asciilifeform: it dun even matter so much what the supposed 'savings' are denominated in -- eventually you're out of work and they get wiped.

asciilifeform: reich is set up to ensure that this happens with clockwork regularity to ~erry worker bee.

asciilifeform: ( another great way to lose shirt is 'start company , try to sell useful product ' , a+++ worxxx )

asciilifeform: some folx get to the bottle after 20yrs in workschwitz and cowardice, some after 1,2,3,4 attempts to break out, end result same

asciilifeform: and (at least in asciilifeform's observation) the competent engineer types get to bottle ~sooner~ than the chair warmers. ☟︎

Mocky: i can't even complain, i ended up with exactly what I wanted as a 20yo, "write software, have a lot of kids"

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 16:17 Mocky: looks like Roger Ver's bitcoin.com is looking for java and js developers for their mining team http://archive.is/MlomS

asciilifeform: oh hey guten tag mircea_popescu

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875954 << whole shitshow runs like that, "open ended", to make the most of "moneyed". i recall back when i was looking at shooting lawsky imbecile in the head, had brief discussion with "legitimate" new york "detective agency". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 15:07 asciilifeform: ( and iirc, the cost is in fact ~open-ended~, and is proportionate to how many hours the pinkertons actually feel like sinking into particular d00d )

mircea_popescu: was pretty lulzy, typical-to-TV-altreality new york "contractor", "well... we'll have to put 8 men on it in three shifts... that's 54876983769287563984798634... and then..."

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875962 <<< was even dood here for a while, did ~jack shit but loudly for a year or so. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 16:42 Mocky: so many damn recruiters. they're like mosquitos in a swamp. they all want to 'have a call' and then 'a skype' 'see if you'll be a good fit'. ugh. two years out of college with a degree in hr, you're gonna decide if i'm worthy to be submitted for a job, and then pressure me to take low ball offer.

mircea_popescu: the problem with a country consisting of doing-other-people's-laundry expects is that... well...

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875963 << speaking softly ~withouy~ carrying a big stick is a very poor strategy. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 16:43 Mocky: this is why i worked for the same company for 14 years, i hate this shit. but also what made me soft target for their betrayal

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875964 << quite exactly. you ever read http://trilema.com/2015/you-know-what-gets-no-airplay-unflattering-truth/ ? there's a complex GRP-like system that folded the us economy, and yes the red hot core was mis"investing". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 16:48 Mocky: i'm convinced this whole ecosystem of outside recruiters is 100% byproduct of startup "investing" that props up the illusion of "high growth" companies that burn thru cash by hiring people so they will qualify for more money

mircea_popescu: led to the usual symptoms of imperial decay -- monetization of real estate (a bad idea throughout, even if it repatriated the money japs made selling toyotas/sinking detroit in the 70s -- sorta like arsenic is bad for you even if it "keeps syphilis inactive" and so on) ; the star model driving and being driven by the fashion cycle, and so the fuck on. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:00 asciilifeform: Mocky: i've even worked in a salt mine where the bottle was Officially (i shit thee not) issued, erry friday at noon.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by my reckoning, ~90% of the software worx in usa ( just about all of remainder being -- direct usgisms )

asciilifeform: fit this description, that is

mircea_popescu: i meant re the bottle. your "boss" will take you "partying" at approved venues etc.

asciilifeform: 'we are hiring developers' 'why' 'we got 100m series a'

asciilifeform: iirc in e.g. jp you can't even work (if yer a d00d) if ya dun drink

asciilifeform: and makes sense that 'partying at approved place', otherwise grunt could party at who-knows, maybe run mouth..

asciilifeform: ( 100% iron reich logic )

asciilifeform: they hire 'the scum we have, not the scum we wish we had'(tm)

mircea_popescu: the work-on-wallstreet is rather visible a collegiate track, sorta like "nigger".

mircea_popescu: back in the days of pam grier's youth, her brother going "i'm black. i don't dance. i don't athlete. i don't sing. wtf should i do ?!" was kind-of a joke. now though...

asciilifeform for most part innocent of that racket, has nuffin to add re subj

asciilifeform: those folx do occasionally pay for software to be written, but the work (perhaps deservingly) is ranked as janitorial and paid accordingly (esp. given where the grunts are to live)

asciilifeform: i have nfi what they get, for all i know 'wall street' is 100% microshit-excel powered even now.

asciilifeform: ( is there a prb plugin for excel yet ?1 )

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875978 << fuck sunlight, i spent hours in the tropically warm bay waters slutwrestling, i am so burned i'm peeling. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:08 asciilifeform: it's unfortunate that mircea_popescu is asleep right nao, otherwise he could tell us about how we're idjits and how working for living is for lusers, and how troo hero can run on sunlight and do as he pleases

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 17:10 Mocky: in truth i do feel like idjit for being old man without the brains to have saved anything. i don't even have a workshop full of shit like asciilifeform

mircea_popescu: "oh, dollar '''strengthened''', this building's value DOUBLED TO MATCH brekekekekekeke"

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876036 << sounds like asciilifeform would last 10min in mircea_popescustan. asciilifeform burns to crisp on 39th parallel , in ~20m ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 18:15 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1875978 << fuck sunlight, i spent hours in the tropically warm bay waters slutwrestling, i am so burned i'm peeling.

asciilifeform: ( on at least 1 occasion, even in winter )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876034 >> '... degree in chemistry from the University of ...' << tovarasul elena ceausescu !111 ☝︎

Mocky: I got my first "so burned i'm peeling" in 2018, 3 hours on motorcycle in tank top mid day, late june.

asciilifeform: in unrelated lulz, $ wc -l libffa/* >> 3930 , $ wc -l ffacalc/* >> 1184 ; and story not even finished yet. ( tho ch1's 'RSA occupies around 3000 lines, incl. comments' was not a lie, it's exactly what the minimal rsa of ch9 weighs... )

asciilifeform: perhaps fyootoor folx will find ways to cut sumthing.

asciilifeform: ( for comparison: e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-08#1680705 ; or, current trb is ~22k loc, ~not~ incl. the dep balls ) ☝︎☟︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-07-08 03:49 asciilifeform: i just counted gpg 1.4.10 : 156,436 loc -- and that ain't counting the autoconf liquishit, or the libs it pulls in

asciilifeform: ( ffa has 0 deps outside of gnat itself and system character i/o, currently posix's )

asciilifeform: 1 of the reasons i wrote the series with the 'and here we have egypt', 'and now we remove egypt', etc. is specifically to show 'well you can cut 1000 ln here if you're ok with 500x longer run times' , i can picture applications where one might want this

asciilifeform: ( and on the other end of the digestive tract -- inlining. i'ma quite certainly issue a v-branch that removes inlining, on microcontroller it typically wins 0 , while making 100x bulkier bin )

asciilifeform: ideally, at some point we actually get that 8192-bit ALU chip, and whole thing can be... 0 ln

asciilifeform: !#s best machine is no machine

asciilifeform: ^ see also.

asciilifeform: ( specifically http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-25#1866192 thrd ) ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-10-25 19:15 asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating ancient thread -- 'the best machine is no machine', it weighs nuffin, needs no maintenance. and the best proggy, is no proggy at all, if a problem can be solved without writing proggy, it ought to be. erry line of coad can be rightfully pictured as an act of intellectual littering. y'know, like throwing cig butt or bottle on the ground in the park.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, and the loc is not the whole story either; I'd much rather read *your* 1000 loc than Koch's 100 loc ☟︎

asciilifeform: why ty diana_coman

asciilifeform: oh hey

asciilifeform: on other front, phf : on occasion of the most recent bolix thread , i went and looked again at the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-17#1771955 artifact ; it is interesting that they provided 128 iron types, incl. bignum, but not a 'bignum of fixed N words'. i guess in '80s ~nobody was thinking of crypto at all. ( and i was prolly unduly pessimistic to the orig finder of $item, it is prolly 95% of what's needed for cycle-accurate clone. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2018-01-17 20:04 fromloper: asciilifeform: someone uploaded "I-Machine Architecture Specification" to Bitsavers three days ago, I thought you might find it interesting: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/symbolics/I_Machine/I-Machine%20Architecture%20Specification.pdf

asciilifeform: the tricky bit is that remaining 5% -- ops introduced since that draft, loadable microcode, init logic, etc )

asciilifeform: err, 64

asciilifeform: types.

asciilifeform: aanyways.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: nitpicks / spiffy karnaugh simplifications / etc. welcome as always.

diana_coman: asciilifeform, the only thing re ch3 that I keep circling because not entirely clear why so is the "overflow in means *or* on word"

asciilifeform: diana_coman: btw you may find it entertaining that i found several vers of the carry & borrow eqns in my orig notes -- including yours. but for some reason i originally rejected that variant because it needed 2 accesses to the result D . but i neglected to write down why, possibly was simple brain fluke.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to link to line ?

diana_coman: i.e. if one shifts right by 2 bits but provides an overflow of 8 bits than 6 of them get simply or-ed, it's not like they get pushed in

asciilifeform: diana_coman: how would a shift by 2 provide overflow of 8 ?

asciilifeform: you mean, what if one were to feed it one when cascading ?

diana_coman: yes, feed it one, whether cascading or not; the point is: what is the meaning of overflow in exactly for a shift op? ☟︎

asciilifeform: it will produce garbage, yes. i considered to make OF_in a limited type, but it would slow down the place where the item is actually used, substantially ( ada does not offer a fast bit-count-on-word operation )

asciilifeform: observe that the operators of fz_shifts are not exported in ffa.ads ( ch11 unified api ) , they are strictly for internal use in the lib.

asciilifeform: this is one of the reasons why.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma absolutely add it to comment and discuss in ch14 mail bag.

asciilifeform: and this is prolly not the only instance of the item. ( i discussed it briefly in ch11 , in the section where preconditions -- ended up moving many preconditions to the exported wrappers, they slow things down quite substantially when present on inner-looped invocations, as they prevent (for obv reason) inliner )

asciilifeform: idea being , exported routines ( current set is shown in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/ffa__ads.htm ) are to be 'safe on all electrically possible inputs' , with the exception of div0 (user is commanded to test for div0, as example in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/ffa_calc__adb.htm#172_17 )

asciilifeform: but the same guarantee cannot be given for erry internal component, not without geological runtime.

asciilifeform: i'ma add commentary/warnings when diana_coman et al point out good additional places where; but no one should live with expectation that ~all~ possible ways to break ffa by monkeying with internals, will be listed

asciilifeform: ( the only guarantee i can offer in good conscience is that nuffin can be broken by operating the ~external~ controls -- but even there user is required to see whether his cpu has barrel shifter (see ch13 discussion) , constant-time mul ( see ch9 discussion ) )

asciilifeform: right

asciilifeform: and in principle i'm not averse to adding detail to comments. ( this is exactly the reason why comments exist -- show what is not necessarily evident from the coad )

asciilifeform: incidentally even the currently given 'external api' is eventually to be 'internalized', in the sense that user input is expected to be in P-code (presently named as 'ffacalc') and output ditto

asciilifeform: i.e. one will call, roughly, P(pcodestring, ffawidth, ffaheight, maxsteps) and get output.

asciilifeform: (this is, for most part, already what cmdline does. aside from 'maxsteps' not having yet been introduced Officially, cuz no loops yet)

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma also note, _O_I is used strictly in fz_mod : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/fz_divis__adb.htm#83_14 ; prolly oughta be inlined ~there~ and abolished as a global (even internally) function.

asciilifeform: 'best rake is no rake'

asciilifeform: at 1 time, was used in the constant entry ( nibble inserter ) routine, then the latter was replaced with rewritten http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch13/fz_io__adb.htm#29_14 , nao sole remaining use is in the knuth divider.

asciilifeform: orig was writing from pov of 'most general possible set of subcomponents' , but this is not necessarily what is wanted in the end product, esp. from loc-cut pov.

diana_coman: that's fine, note that my feedback is given as I read them so without actual knowledge of what happens later/where exactly they are used

asciilifeform: my current aim is that in ch22 ( see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2735 ) any subcomponents not used, are to be cut; and any that have strictly 1 invocation, are to be made sub-functions and remain visible solely in the scope where used.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is a+++ good, it is exactly how it is meant to be read

asciilifeform: anyffing that dun make immediate sense in ~that~ light oughta be either changed or commented.

asciilifeform: on 2nd pass of log, noticed that i did not answr http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-29#1876084 : answr is, it is for shifting ~into~ a FZ . ( if this wasn't clear from thread ) ftr. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-11-29 19:30 diana_coman: yes, feed it one, whether cascading or not; the point is: what is the meaning of overflow in exactly for a shift op?

asciilifeform: right. ( and as presently stands, i've abolished all but 1 of the algos where this actually takes place )

asciilifeform bbl,teatime

asciilifeform: unrelatedly, to whom does trb noad 69.197.146.42 belong ?? it's been wedged for year+

asciilifeform: !#s 69.197.146.42

asciilifeform: srsly, whoever's poor neglected box this is -- fucking put in 'aggression' or pull the plug, thing is eating mains current to no useful end

asciilifeform can't even count nao how many time had convo, 'hulp! my noad is hanging' 'didja aggression' 'no...' '...'

asciilifeform: ( observe -- sans agression, the moar reliable is your hosting, the ~more~ certain your noad is to get perma-wedged, as it'll never reboot and never satisfy shitoshi's 'catch up only on cold boot' idjit condition.. ) ☟︎

lobbes: asciilifeform: heh that's my trb box. funny thing is, I -do- have aggression on that one >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-14#1834350 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2018-07-14 00:16 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816438 << in other news, you were not kidding! my trb (hdd + aggression) has moved a mere 20K blocks in one month