deedbot: Daysylover voiced for 30 minutes.
phf: "Our records show that you are the owner of 2 Urbit planets."
trinque: that and the puppeteer's hand up his ass.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:36 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had two arguments. one is that it dramatically simplifies the design of the cryptotron. (essentially becomes a mildly scriptable bignum calculator.)
a111: Logged on 2016-07-22 12:20 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508508 << how about it phf, see the merit of having a111 archive.is every link it sees, downloading the zip and then presenting a [cached] [saved] pair of links after the line ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 05:05 trinque: that and the puppeteer's hand up his ass.
gribble: Time since last block: 49 minutes and 12 seconds
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what the fuck are people on about with "full blocks" ? past 8 hours average load is 900ish kb.
mircea_popescu: as there's not a single 0 tx block in there, seems the fee market has actually done a lot to fix various historical mining problems.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: also, remember the pre-attacking mp days of f2pool + antpool ? back in march ?
mircea_popescu: lo and behold that by august those two barely hold on to a third ; and there's a dozen or so pools over 1%.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this experience should be informative for future braves.
Framedragger: "It takes 4 seconds to generate a colliding 32bit key id on a GPU (using scallion). Key servers do little verification of uploaded keys and allow keys with colliding 32bit ids. Further, GPG uses 32bit key ids throughout its interface and does not warn you when an operation might apply to multiple keys."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also, remember the pre-attacking mp days of f2pool + antpool ? back in march ? << What? History and the future were ever different from now?
☟︎ thestringpuller: no man's sky is what happens when you try to live off the hype
deedbot: asciilifeform has not rated Hasimir.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, it is true that if you use (semi)sane software for dealing with openpgp, all the diddled keys won't cause a problem for ya.
☟︎ Framedragger: (not that this makes phuctor any less worthy of a project)
Framedragger: ("random js pgp crap" does not belong in the "(semi)sane software for dealing with openpgp" set)
deedbot: boolcrap1 voiced for 30 minutes.
boolcrap1: i actually finally got a new motherboard
boolcrap1: its not lost, i just need to plug in that disk
boolcrap1: i really need to find my phone tho, is there a tool that can locate metal on the ground in a wide area?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 07:13 mircea_popescu: as there's not a single 0 tx block in there, seems the fee market has actually done a lot to fix various historical mining problems.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 07:16 mircea_popescu: lo and behold that by august those two barely hold on to a third ; and there's a dozen or so pools over 1%.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 11:45 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> also, remember the pre-attacking mp days of f2pool + antpool ? back in march ? << What? History and the future were ever different from now?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 12:54 asciilifeform: ' Hasimir and the "corrupt keys" FUD raised semi-regularly by certain people in another bitcoin channel is just that; ill-informed FUD'
trinque: $s from:asciilifeform !rate Hasimir
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated hasimir 1 at 2015/05/21 21:29:19 << Ben McGinnes, aparently the new treasurer of Pirate Party Australia
mircea_popescu: $v 58874FFB68E2C30BAAB111CE578ACFD4BD388435131A1ABE7EF454692B7C335F
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of hasimir from 1 to -1 << Ill informed idiot.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by now there's a bunch of wanna-be this chan scattered around huh.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, they copy only the pretense with none of the substance.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523032 << there is a major difference between scientific speech and political speech. i don't care about the stupid conclusions random nobody arrives at. the moment however he emits judgements of value that happen to contradict mine, i no longer care HOW he arrived at them, merely that he stated them.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 13:17 Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, it is true that if you use (semi)sane software for dealing with openpgp, all the diddled keys won't cause a problem for ya.
mircea_popescu: evidently, the socialist party does the exact same thing. for reasons of habit however, it doesn't irk you when they do it ; only when we do it.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: it is not sufficient for this habit to be removed ; it actually has to be reversed.
mircea_popescu: when $empire$ does it, let it irk you ; when $republic$ does it, let you not notice.
☟︎ danielpbarron is banned from the linked channel, as well as -dev and -assets :D
danielpbarron: not as good a pig wrestler as asciilifeform I guess
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 13:35 boolcrap1: i really need to find my phone tho, is there a tool that can locate metal on the ground in a wide area?
danielpbarron: asciilifeform, thanks but I mean i've had /mode +b set on me in all three channels at some point, not that I can't read the public log, or even re-join today. Although my IP does appear to be banned from accessing b-a public log
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 14:05 asciilifeform: any pool can, if it wishes, turn into 'smaller pool and N new pools of 1%' overnight.
mircea_popescu: of course, the general point here being that we're seeing a lot of suboptimal allocation. why the fuck are you doing the job of sm gurlz, and poorly, alfie ?
mircea_popescu: "I doubt this will ever happen. Even he never cracked any PGP keys at all, the FUD he spread around was a nice way to get some free advertising. Look, people saying his name on gnupg and enigmail lists, which are quite popular I believe."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: are these dudebros totally fucking deluded ? for gawker tards to imagine (wrongly) that gawker sees more traffic than trilema is one thing.
mircea_popescu: but really, obscure open sores neckbeards on a nowhere list ? what the FUCK is wrong with brains that makes them rot so.
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523089 << point of frustration acknowledged; however, ftr it *does* irk me when $empire$ does it; i don't point fingers at *that* here because there's a point of exhaustion and tiredness re. the latter (*not* learned helplessness / acceptance, note), and it appears to be sufficiently covered by others here :)
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:13 mircea_popescu: evidently, the socialist party does the exact same thing. for reasons of habit however, it doesn't irk you when they do it ; only when we do it.
mircea_popescu marks down august the 17th, that lulzy day when some idjit thought enigmail is "popular"
Framedragger: nono they do not win; but i don't feel like articulating their shit every time it happens
mircea_popescu: cuz it's kinda the principle, yes, empire is founded on the principle of "never argue with idiots" : they aim to exhaust everyone who knows better and then do their dumb shit.
Framedragger: (maybe it should be done; but again, it appears to be covered by others, incl. qntra)
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah there's a slippery slope there, i guess.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except it doesn't. it's almost exactly like random third world shithole, where random dude literally dying of hunger imagines "his pronouncement arse outranks mine". and then obv it's unfair when his daughter prefers to run away from home.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger more importantly though, do you see some goal here ? or trying to accomplish something ?
trinque: asciilifeform: they're a class of mimics; of course they don't know or care where facts originate.
mircea_popescu: political speech is going to be political speech ; you aim to change that ? or what is your investment exactly ?
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah, sure, the equivalent of vampyr, the junior high vampire cca 1990. problem is, junior high vampire doesn't actually believe there's 85,7 mn people going to his highschool, nor that the population on campus grounds exceeds that of guangzou
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i currently refuse to articulate explicit alignments. but, i contend that i should have interpreted that dood's speech on #bitcoin-otc as political speech
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: and hence my remark was useless, +/-
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i dun care about all that ; i'm more interested about the philosophic angle to it.
mircea_popescu: so ... is it... wrong that some statements proceed from authority ?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-07 18:09 mircea_popescu: here's something for the historian in alf! there's ancient statement of the principle, recorded in 1970 milwaukee journal : "You make yourself ridiculous by thinking you can do anything. The word is divided in two. The Russians and the Americans, no one else. What are we? Americans. Behind me there is the government, behind the government is NATO, behind NATO is the US. You can't fight us, we are Americans."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only thing is, back then the us was run by reagan and i more or less liked it.
mircea_popescu: certainly liked it a shitload more than kruschev's su. which is the fucking point the idiot elides. the LEADER is ~the only concern.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to be in the same room as "hrc"'s dead cooch.
mircea_popescu: im not entirely persuaded by this. i can't really say i had it all that bad in romania at any point.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm. no. but i'm not mature enough for this discussion (you may say), e.g. i still harbour ideas about anarchism etc.
Framedragger: there is a danger of one presupposing the veracity of their own's truths, but this isn't exactly an original thought or anything; just, well, i *do* observe yourself and alf defending the power of phuctor's results almost a priori as it were;
Framedragger: as in, any claims to the contrary (of the power of those results) are attacked with such force that it hints at some kind of defensiveness; but perhaps this is precisely what it means to have a political position.
mircea_popescu: i perceive the following problem : in my (rightful) bashing of idiocies (allinged around "colored coins", "dao" etc, that jazz) i distinctly hear the crushed hopes of people who look at those as a refuge from something else, specifically. i suspect it's hwqat you call "anarchists"
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's two classes composing the support there. one, the wider, is plain idiots, of the us business major sort. the other, however, hopes to be saved from some darkness within or i dunno wtf.
mircea_popescu: (on the sub-subject of "defending the power of phuctor's results" << it is entirely reactive. just as doctor defending the power of sanitation. in some contexts it's the only thing a doctor can say - and he can be rendered "ridiculous" by insisting on presenting him in that context, but really, the joke's on the unwashed.)
mircea_popescu: (other than in a discussion with the sort of imbecile typified today by hasimir, i dunno either of us gives half a shit.)
☟︎ Framedragger: asciilifeform: apologies if i am mistaken here, but iirc phuctor was reported to have cracked some pgp keys when at that point in time none of the keys cracked had valid self-sigs. the presentation from tmsr (trilema/phuctor) to me appeared to have overstated the results, so to speak. (but then later subkeys with valid selfsigs were found, iirc). this isn't a technical point, i suppose.
mircea_popescu: because my recollection is, me/alf/phuctor made some very careful statements, pinoy restated them wronglyt and proceeded to win the war with the strawmen.
Framedragger: (funnily enough, as regards authority, i regard 'tptacek very highly)
Framedragger: (i'm sorry for being slow here, multitasking with too many tabs)
mircea_popescu: the one true advantage of irc as we have it is that well... nobody's hanging on this thread.
phf: Framedragger: i regarded ptacek very highly at some point, but can you point to something that ptacek/matasano did?
phf: for extra point, without doing a google search
phf: mircea_popescu: orcland coloured pants heroes
Framedragger: import subkeys with no valid self-sig? or am i misreading what is stated in the article? because to me those statements (in the broader context) are rendered into that meaning precisely.
mircea_popescu: maybe alf's mp-generator dun work too well, but lo and behold - my phf-parser dun work half as much!
phf: mircea_popescu: in orcland, we have game, we put colored pants on people, and let them be our heroes. their pants distinguish their status in hierarchy
☟︎ mircea_popescu: Framedragger afaik it imports but warns, and you can run it in a context with warning supressed.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: oh i won't argue with that! well, of course. but say i took your pubkey and generated a subkey for it and uploaded that subkey (it wouldn't import into gpg). would you truly care?
mircea_popescu: Framedragger suppose i do that, and i get a message from a woman who thinks i'm him, and take her out to coffee and she brings me seven children over thirty years.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: okay, fair point, then. i should have checked. (maybe i will, out of curiosity / concern). not that i have *too* much faith in gpg, sure
phf: "could've checked" is the moto of reddit generation
mircea_popescu: yes, we're adjusting the meaning of rsa-crypto to explicitly not care, as discussed yest. but this is novel.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 21:27 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you take an inch from enemy, but give him many more:
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: this then is a critique of sks keyservers, strictly. there was a thread on their ML, they rejected the idea of rejecting such subkeys (...)
mircea_popescu: except from my pov i dun actually care to distinguish the cockroaches to the point of naming them
phf: mircea_popescu: ptacek is a "security expert" and founder of a security company matasano. he posts a lot to hackernews, and is regarded as authority. a simple question "what did ptacek actually did" usually doesn't produce any answers though
mircea_popescu: this disregard of the cockroach births register can't possibly be a criticism of me.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah that is fair, too, though i maintain that anyone using any such implementation is an irrevocable shithead and phuctor won't do them much good anyway - but maybe it will, i don't know; and phuctor is a needed public service anyway (so i'm not arguing against that, ftr)
mircea_popescu: phf in fairness, digging too deep into english space "authority" is never well advised. trump turns into "guy who ~squandered inheritance" for eg.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should say "colorfully squandered", makes it go full circle.
Framedragger: phf: matasano crypto challenges and the new crypto ctf thing he and others did (i didn't try it) are a great public service; i mean the challenges start simple in the beginning but if one followed them to the end, actual reading of recent crypto papers would be required etc.; surely that counts as something? he didn't pioneer anything in crypto, sure.
Framedragger: phf: but he did produce a valuable corpus of comments on HN, incl. decisive critique of cryptocat, etc etc
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, i mean, the dude thomas p tacek is, at least
phf: so in other words he posts to hackernews a lot
phf: Framedragger: that's not the only thing mp does though
Framedragger: phf: bashing and critique of shitty crypto projects, calling out their authors (see discussions between tptacek and kaepora or however the other dood's nick is spelled) - they're a valuable public service
Framedragger: phf: yes, true, i know, but for some mp is "person who wrote lots of important text"
mircea_popescu: damn. poor Framedragger , that "pure world, biaseless, untainted by rooting in authority" is crumbling so fast ;/
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i claim that one can post actually valuable stuff, seen by other people; and one can post shit, and these categories can be distinguished.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: god damn it, no.. i'm anti-essentialist anyway
Framedragger: asciilifeform: look i won't fault you for pre-forming an opinion on tptacek and not spending your valuable time re-evaluating it. but such heuristic lumping of people into two camps is rather crude indeed. i know someone may reply "this serves tmsr's purposes well anyway, so what of it" - well, okay..
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ... "everyone who disagrees is usg stooge" is the vibe i'm getting; impossible to have an actual conversation then
mircea_popescu: "Il est à remarquer que l'once d'argent ne vaut pas cent de nos sous valeur intrinsèque, comme le dit l'Histoire de la Chine; car il n'y a point de valeur intrinsèque numéraire; mais à prendre le marc de notre argent à 50 de nos livres de compte, cette somme revient à 1250 millions de notre monnaie en 1740" <<< he knows. in 1700!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reply isn't "this serves tmsr's purposes", but moreover, the reply is that he's in charge of his own household, and if he is making a mistake it'll hurt... him. and if the other made a mistake, evidently it'll hurt... the other.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: one *could* maintain that there was no interesting finding for someone who trusts gpg import policy. and yes, a fool is he who trusts gpg; but a charitable interpretation of such an opinion is possible
mircea_popescu: "everyone who disagrees is usg stooge" <<< this is not the criterion. everyone who dresses his "position", which they don't even call disagreeing, IN THE SAME COLORED PANTS, evidently shops at the same shop. you see ?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: agree re no intrinsic value, incidentally. this does not nullify there being possible to distinguish valuable writing from shit writing, *within a framework of meaning* that we can all agree on.
phf: mircea_popescu speaks from experience, of things that he have practiced. even mpoe-pr's rants were using internal mpoe practices as a model for argument. it's not clear that ptacek has any kind of similar standing, because we don't know what he did. he argues for best practices, which he could've as easily picked up from reading others. compare to, say, djb, who, when speaks about security, uses his extensive qmail (etc.) experience as
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yes, okay, that... is bullshit, lol.
mircea_popescu: on one hand you have people with the fixed part "disagreeing", who dress it up as they dress it ; on the other, you have the people with the fixed dress, who call "their position" as they may call it. these are very different, and the latter's easily disqualified.
phf: just because he happens to say right words, doesn't mean that he's right.
mircea_popescu: "i could be mp, i read all he wrote" "and if tomorrow mizdra lands with an alien submarine, what will you say as mp ? this hasn't happened in the past ALREADY, for you to life the quote"
mircea_popescu: copies work well for the past, but who can copy the future...
Framedragger: phf: so you don't regard matasano crypto challenges as anything worthy, then?
phf: right, it's sort of a more sophisticated version of alice bot
☟︎ Framedragger: i need a longer conversation-thread-stack in my mind.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: (just ftr i don't think too much of bruce, either)
mircea_popescu: this is a "business model", and in the shit the us is these days, it's actually a "premium" business model : establish "authority" of the purely wordy sort, then pivot.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i mean.. i agree; i just don't agree that tptacek fits the category. sure, there are analogies, but then there exist analogies with mircea_popescu, too.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-25 21:41 mircea_popescu: basic "paid dating app" scam.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: "the sequel - was almost wholly free of mathematics, and replete with 'best practice because my arse thusly spoke' crapolade." << okay, that's sad, and an educational case
mircea_popescu: Framedragger im just saying in general, i myself have nfi who he is.
mircea_popescu: understgand that the a/b split-scam scheme there discussed can do this with ~identities~ too. just create a tree of them.
mircea_popescu: people generally misunderstand the extreme power of the fuzzing attack.
Framedragger: phf: i'm curious, what was it that made you to originally regard tptacek highly? was it his words/discussions (and then later you decided that it's the only stuff that the man has actually produced - a fair point i guess, if you dismiss the crypto challenges, for example)?
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hm, yeah. it can become more serious, i suppose
mircea_popescu: consider the proper model for this : let there be an unknown endless list of binary questions. you create an endless list of identities, which you publish, 2^(n+1)-1 for the nth question. unknown to anyone but you, they are linked in a tree (ie, you know in advance identity 10111010101 will answer "yes" to q1 no to q2 yes to q 3-5 etc).
mircea_popescu: for an observer, these being unlinked, there's "genius" identity 10111010001 which answered correctly to that many binary questions in a row.
mircea_popescu: what we ALSO know for a fact is that the count of people actually active on facebook last year (~10mn) is deeply dwarfed by the number of facebook accounts (>1bn).
mircea_popescu: where's the difference from ? and if it were this, who'd know ?
mircea_popescu: and this is just the first step. nothing forces your identities to keep playing ; you can retire them at any point you wish, and now you have a stable of "never wrong over n binary questions" respectables.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: the point is that whether the difference is from this kind of tree ordering, this is unknowable..
mircea_popescu: this is ~half of the usg "national security" plan, except they suck at both modelling and implementation.
☟︎ Framedragger: mircea_popescu: uh that was a question, more like
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yes, it is unknowable. but the naive defense of the person first contemplating this issue is "oh, this is too noise, i'd hear about it"
mircea_popescu: that works, EXCEPT you already tune things out because... IT IS TOO NOISY
phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: now, to be perfectly clear, i'm not either accusing or suspecting x guy of this, chiefly because i don't imagine he has the resources. nevertheless, phf's objection is much harder to reject than superficially appears.
mircea_popescu: more like, a good chunk of what this stable of uselessness tries to argue its usefulness from, is their utter failure to do anything about things like phuctor, misrepresented.
mircea_popescu: ironically, people in the contemporary, anglo sense of that term WANT to be these empty identities. no idea why or how; but imo much more serious a threat to anarchism than any kind of authority.
mircea_popescu: gets lulziest when they encounter people who do not want to exchange their life for a fetish, and then explode into "putin doesn't understand how the world works!!1"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: just to me, any dreams of "global anarchist revolt" *are* lost on me (i'm terribly naive but not *that* naive). personal responsibility and individualism (vague word, i know) are necessary conditions. and.. yeah, i don't have much hope for humanity, given that...
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is how people end up with the notion of butchering most of the extant walkers.
phf: Framedragger: when did you first encounter paul graham?
Framedragger: phf: probably ~7 years ago, give or take; i predict what you're going to say: in 2009, he was already spewing too much nonsense
Framedragger: before, he would try to keep his focus on lisp
Framedragger: and he wrote that book, quite earlier than that
Framedragger: so it makes sense for someone who got acquainted with him earlier to regard him more highly
Framedragger: (i may be mistaken about the actual number of years)
phf: i don't really think his message changed, it's just that he started talking about different things. there's the lisper period and then the hackernew/yc/startupschool period. i knew of him, because of the excellent On Lisp book, so i read hackers and painters when it came out, and read that dabblers and blowhards article when it came out, possibly because i thought that hackers and painters was awful (the book literally has low
phf: fractional snr, and only because there's a few paragraphs about how they used clisp at yahoo stores)
Framedragger:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523161 << you know, that's an apt characterization, and i think you're right re that second group of wanna-be anarchists; true, probably. and i am aware that tmsr regards bitcoin *quite* differently indeed, which manifests in the block size discussion etc. yeah.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:31 mircea_popescu: i perceive the following problem : in my (rightful) bashing of idiocies (allinged around "colored coins", "dao" etc, that jazz) i distinctly hear the crushed hopes of people who look at those as a refuge from something else, specifically. i suspect it's hwqat you call "anarchists"
phf: but when i made it to the first startup school, my reaction was "nerds trying to be businessmen, stick to doing nerd things". it took me many years to understand how their fundamental views made them not only suck at life, but also fucked up the computing.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:23 Framedragger: (also, ha, just saw the star wars parallel)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:00 phf: right, it's sort of a more sophisticated version of alice bot
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:43 phf: mircea_popescu: in orcland, we have game, we put colored pants on people, and let them be our heroes. their pants distinguish their status in hierarchy
phf: no, but i suspect it's a holly relic now
mircea_popescu: this guy, legendary ro leader, fought something like 50 encounters with the turks, won over 90%. including you know, crazy shit with 1.x mn men on opposing side.
mircea_popescu: so joke is, vornic comes to stephen, my lord, the turks are coming. "a lot ?" well... there's the vidin pasha with maybe 100k jannisary + etc
mircea_popescu: but why the red ones majesty ? well... if i get hurt, the troops won't see the blood and won't lose heart.
mircea_popescu: so they go, beat the turks back over danube, take trophies, build monastery, rape the nuns etc.
phf: ahaha, sorry i got it
mircea_popescu: next year, my lord, the turks are coming ? "a lot ?" well... suleiman himself, 1mn infantry, more horse than previously known to exist in the world, etc
phf: proper voievod like, knows when to bleed and when to shit his pants
mircea_popescu: actually, this guy died sovereign, over a rather enlarged moldavia (took mostly from poles, lithuanians etc). he left testamentarily that "listen to your old shepherd, deal with the turks ; unlike the russians, the turks keep their word"
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:33 phf: but when i made it to the first startup school, my reaction was "nerds trying to be businessmen, stick to doing nerd things". it took me many years to understand how their fundamental views made them not only suck at life, but also fucked up the computing.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523293 << by the way, i don't think the implication of that discussion can't possibly be understated. for instance, it is a common etatist criticism of "what they call bitcoin" so really, tmsr, that "everyone running a business has an incentive to eventually run so eventually will" sort of thing.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:12 mircea_popescu: this is ~half of the usg "national security" plan, except they suck at both modelling and implementation.
mircea_popescu: this point is valid, the only problem is that it mostly discusses THE STATE. yes, every fiat entity has the incentive to eventually pivot ; and they all do. the derps are currently insulated from this by the momentary happenstance that the thieves are in a compact, called "the state", and everyone left outside is well... not someone you'll hear about. because exactly of
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523303 "entertainment
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:13 phf: Framedragger: i was young and a bum, i recognized all these people because my entertainment machine would reinforce their presence for me. "oh jwz is talking. oh now it's ptacek. oh it's paul graham! squee". but they were always in a different category from say norvig or knuth or naggum. once i started doing and learning (i.e. painfully read knuth, rather than just have him on my shelf) i finally was able to grok the difference.
mircea_popescu: nobody in the time of voltaire had retina burns from laser watching.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:21 mircea_popescu: not that it's a novel, or worthy idea.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 19:59 mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform need i quote at you btw ? "i will believe it when crown jewels leak" ? do you believe now ?
mircea_popescu: a) there is no dispute from you that this was actually their shit ; b) apparently so much is available some of actually their shit can be freely distributed, in gb sized portions.
mircea_popescu: these you somehow transform into i have nfi what, but the fact remains : whether the cock went through the cervix into the uter or not,
mircea_popescu: "i'm gonna rape you" "i dun believe" *rapes her* "tee hee, my filling is stil lattached to this cavity"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol, what, you mean they moved from py ? to what, ada ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform people stopped buying new cisco cca 2012 anyway.
mircea_popescu: funny shit where the files usg stole from sr are supposedly being sold for x unless they were actually stolen first by freelancing agents etc ; whereas the files ? stole from usg are being sold for 100x.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty lulzy how butthurt they are at the fact bitcoin raped them, though.
mircea_popescu: The auction “is a joke,” Weaver said. “It’s designed to distract. It’s total nonsense.” He said that “bitcoin is so traceable that a Doctor Evil scheme of laundering $1 million, let alone $500 million, is frankly lunacy.”
mircea_popescu: “The stuff they have there is super-duper interesting, but it is by far not the most interesting stuff in the tool set,” he said. “If you had the rest of it, you’d be leading off with that, because you’d be commanding a much higher rate.” << yeah... and then... SELL ADVERTISING.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 16:50 asciilifeform: Framedragger: phuctor has very little to do with curing particular lepers.
trinque: hail mary, full of grace...
PeterL: what was the biggest it did so far?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-11 16:07 asciilifeform: champ : 126044733741731328742413066718552314382419228167112456334027928884317367999330241024168451126326383475145520025295451544372438227070210798265767098934250820341305937931860061514790268968891523470454082874208728274680634763462042122485524526243688604432591998753006364684812749745538152702859571396997177876337
PeterL: my old key was 1024, I think
Framedragger: asciilifeform: obtw, did the breaking of that khadeer modulus come from you implementing the "check (NextPrime(2^1023))^2" heuristic? 'cause that's bound to yield some new results!
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 19:24 asciilifeform: incidentally it is the khadeer & co. modulus.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 18:59 mircea_popescu: how long should it take ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 425627 | Current Difficulty: 2.1737548275723764E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 427391 | Next Difficulty In: 1764 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 1 day, 1 hour, 50 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ahh, ok. much thanks for elucidation
Framedragger: (..ssd would probably speed things up, just to reiterate..)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: grep is amazingly fast because it does it in a smart way (you prolly know). i can give some number but i expect the q is rhetorical (i.e.: it's fast) :)
☟︎ phf: it's the same technique that log uses to search entries, but i lose becase individual chunks of text are not necessarily sequential or localized by page. asciilifeform's for question though is about the fact that simply picking up 100G, page by page, from disk into ram, is expensive
phf: (of course log wins over grep in total time, because message are already all in ram)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: (14.3s to grep thru 3gb file fwiw)
PeterL: ;;balance 12c6DSiU4Rq3P4ZxziKxzrL5LmMBrzjrJX
PeterL: or does that not count as obscure?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: #trilema, will rape your mind into a new shape.
phf: i believe, that there's a man, somewhere in the bowels of meta-nsa, who can see the entire puzzle picture
☟︎ phf: stuxnet propagation strategy style..
phf: 98, that must be the man himself?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 19:40 asciilifeform: how long to walk 100G ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 19:41 Framedragger: asciilifeform: grep is amazingly fast because it does it in a smart way (you prolly know). i can give some number but i expect the q is rhetorical (i.e.: it's fast) :)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 20:43 asciilifeform: would readily abolish the idiocy with 'wallet watch' mechanism etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 21:30 phf: i believe, that there's a man, somewhere in the bowels of meta-nsa, who can see the entire puzzle picture
phf: i know, i know, that's an ongoing mp vs ascii dialog
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 21:39 asciilifeform: 'exec summary' for mircea_popescu et al: all gpg keys ever generated have at most 2048 bits of effective entropy.
trinque: mircea_popescu: yep, whole point of perfecting the botworks layer by layer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the incredible gall of the imbecile, to actually state it as "This bug does not affect the default generation of keys"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also ftr that loop is now how you'd do it.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-16 18:31 mircea_popescu pictures woman flying around with tip of boeing in her snatch, "YES! YES! HARDER!" for a visual.
BingoBoingo: Qntra thanks you for your sexpertise in this matter.
deedbot: judywatson voiced for 30 minutes.
judywatson: hola mircea_popescu tengas tiempo para mis tetas?
shinohai eagerly awaits asciilifeform publication
shinohai also eagerly awaits mircea_popescu for tonite's offering
deedbot: judywatson voiced for 30 minutes.
shinohai: sorry judywatson mircea_popescu must be out again
deedbot: judywatson voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aww qntra ate my ol/li spacing in comment.
BingoBoingo: comment field eats lots of things and then shits.
BingoBoingo: fixing seems as though it would require mucking up phphhphphphp
mircea_popescu: you can specify what tags to allow in comments in settings.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: she said does it count or can you see the letters?