mod6: <+asciilifeform> wonder what mod6 would say to this. << half a mile?! that's 2`640 ft. / 3 = ~880 yards. that's a pretty decent long shot even for a .308.
mod6: for me, when I use upland loads (#6 shot) for pheasants, i get many yells of "great shot mod6" if I put a bird down at "long shot" of 60-80 yards.
mod6: they do fly fast, and it's a lot harder than it looks. for one. now maybe I just suck shit, and guys are popping birds @ 500 yards on the regular. but this, i haven't seen myself.
mod6: many guys do shoot deer with .12ga slugs.
mod6: now, typically, as I understand, they typically take these deer at no more than 350 yards or you risk wounding the thing and having to track the sob for 10 miles.
mod6: if you're in a qcb, and you have a shotgun and don't have a rifle as an option, or slugs for your shotgun, buckshot will do just fine. but you aught to be within say, 25 yards if you want to put your man down.
mod6: that's just my $0.02. not gospel. personally, if I gotta fight in the field. i need to be able to put rounds on target up to at least 200 yards away or I'm basically in a qcb/hand-to-hand situation.
mod6: so, yeah qcb, shotgun with buckshot will the job really well, especially inside the home or whatnot. but if I'm attacking, trying to lay down suppressing fire, or a part of some type of garrison, gotta have a rifle. at least, that's what I want in my hands.
mod6: but heck, what do i know. when it comes down to it, any gun, with live ammo, is better than standing there with your dick in your hands.
mod6: i should note that pheasants are a bit different though. i try to get them up no further than 30 yards in front of me. any more than that shots get hard, birds catch wind and they're gone easier than you'd think. I keep the dogs between 15-25 yards in front of me, that way, they flush, bird pops up, i knock 'em down.
mod6: ducks are a lot more involved. you gotta set out decoys and call 'em in to land. that's when those guys are in the blind they lock their wings coming into land that they shoot 'em. at least, that's what I hear.
mod6: im not sure how high they try to take the shots.... your pellet pattern spreads out the further and further away you are shooting. now, for instance, if I shoot at a pheasant that's too close too me. i'll hit it with a full pattern, and that will probably not be very awesome to eat.
mod6: so a bit of distance is good. too much and you're not hitting jack shit. even if you could put a pellet on target, it won't have enough KE to knock it down.
mod6: maybe the goose/duck hunters use a different choke than me too. so who knows.
mod6: i got a buddy who shoots a zillion geese every year, i'll have to ask him. i know that he does put out decoys and call's 'em in though.
mod6: trinque imagines asciilifeform spraying ak47 rounds into flock, "FOR PIGLET!!!!!" << win lol
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> so bad << Crank is probably best 'Murican film of the century so far
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform think car. shoot driver ; shoot fuel tank ; these work with a fucking 38mm. if you're actually firing 20 gauge you can prolly fissure a cylinder / ablate the transmission / cut a hole throgh one blade large enough to make it no longer capable of flight << 20 gauge is small less common one, 12 gauge is bigger common one.
BingoBoingo: In europe bird hunters hit at extreme range because they use 1, 2, or 4 gauge "punt guns", US maxes out at 10 and 12 gauge for the reason that ducks respond to bigger guns by just flying higher and then arms race
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suspect the thing is, us duck / swamp birds mostly live in estuaries ; whereas in europe over river marshlands.
mircea_popescu: makes a huge difference, in that you ain't got a submarine dog.
BingoBoingo: Depends on part of USA. Ducks are adaptable
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i think the pee thing makes you a... punter ?
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mod6: <+BingoBoingo> In europe bird hunters hit at extreme range because they use 1, 2, or 4 gauge "punt guns", US maxes out at 10 and 12 gauge for the reason that ducks respond to bigger guns by just flying higher and then arms race << huh. yeah those would be huge.
thestringpuller: mod6 asciilifeform dunno if just weird artifact along with bad luck or actual potential problem, but my node running on slowest hardware is only receiving BASTARD BLOCK s. I'm connected to deedbot (a trusted node) with -addnode. using same patch tree as hanbot
mircea_popescu: hopefully this starts popping up in "rape" cases : your honor, the seminal fluid was already mostly absorbed by the alleged victim's uterus.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is zcash even big enough to warrant qntra ?
mod6: thanks for all your hard work on Eulora.
mod6: i just read your article, nice write up. I'm stunned at what you're saying there.
diana_coman: thanks! got a bit of it out basically; in any case, eulora server is being gradually rebuilt and ps will be entirely discarded
mod6: my mind boggles at how they even have this setup. for instance, in my mind, if you were going to have say, 30 different types of hats in the game, there would be a simple, abstract hat class.
diana_coman: it really took me months to accept the evidence that "abstract" is something entirely unknown there
mod6: from there, you would extend the abstract hat, and provide whatever implementations required, including whatever x/y points or whatnot to draw the thing...
mod6: it sounds like this is /far/ from such a design.
diana_coman: sure, they have classes and classes inheriting classes and so on and so forth, but as to the reasons for inheritance...
mod6: so ya, sounds like there is really no design pattern, or at lesat not a discernable one 'eh
mod6: like 'builder' or 'composition' etc etc.
diana_coman: ahahah, design patterns, what, reading books next ? programming, yo!
mod6: my mind reels at what the whole slot location mechinism.
mod6: some nasty type of pointer arithmatic or whatever 'eh?
diana_coman: I suppose I should be grateful it is done with numbers straight rather than pointers too
mod6: well, someone may suppose that you'd rather smashed in the head with a simple rock, or this here complex ax head.
mod6: nice call graph too.
mod6: i think that kinda illustrates what you need to contend with.
mod6: you're basically a saint.
mod6: let me know if i can help somehow.
diana_coman: hopefully won't end up thrown to the lions though :))
diana_coman: aha, I had a bit of a look at ada but sadly no time to properly play around with it; I'm looking forward though to your ada implementations
trinque: imagine that this tangling of classes happens in the sinner skulls before disgracing code
trinque: and they just let people walk around like that!
trinque: they're not incompatible points, really
mod6: the graph, suggests, to me, that the entire thing is very tightly coupled.
trinque: I worked on a very sad qt project once upon a time
trinque: class graph looked like a rat king
trinque: and asciilifeform is right that the sheer mass of the thing made it impossible to lift into one's head
mod6: as far as this knot of ps, or the qt thing?
trinque: but also there were plenty of idiots that could not think clearly about the problem in the abstract either, i.e. there is a board, it is to be carved along these paths, so on
trinque: qt thing itself was an abominable nightmare of a hacked together carve-path drawing tool
ben_vulpes: ahaha diana_coman i salute you that is some serious archaeology
diana_coman: mod6, "tight coupling" would be a very ....british way of putting it: I think trinque has it there with "rat king"
diana_coman: and yes, fwiw I don't think they bothered with having anything in their heads, not by the looks of it: hey, it WORKS, right?
mod6: "they have oatmeal in their heads"
ben_vulpes: footnote 3 is a gorgeous little sentence, i don't think i've ever seen the like from a native english speaker
☟︎ ben_vulpes: monte carlo programming! deepblue, but with meatsacks
ben_vulpes: !!up tarciboy who's your daddy and did he accomplish anything with himself?
deedbot: tarciboy voiced for 30 minutes.
thestringpuller: diana_coman the sad thing is all the good gamedev code is sealed, especially after the mid 2000's renderware incident with EA.
thestringpuller: it also happened recently iirc with the konami-kojima incident (wherein konami stole his Fox engine)
mats: you'd think VA employees could distinguish .mil culture from a threat of workplace violence
mats: somehow not surprised both whiners that appeared on tv are black...
mats: help help i'm being oppressed by a poster
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, cheers! and comment is on, of course
mircea_popescu: anyway asciilifeform has it, the basically scour the web for code snippets much like dung beetle.
mircea_popescu: but it's ok, they pay their debt to society by answering questions on experts sex change.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 18:09 ben_vulpes: footnote 3 is a gorgeous little sentence, i don't think i've ever seen the like from a native english speaker
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, yes, I think asciilifeform is quite right there - I *saw* "programmers" doing exactly that in fact
mircea_popescu: i suspect everyone kind-of knows this which is why specific items such as "mysql" or "xml" or what have you are so heavy tinged with aversity pheromones.
mircea_popescu: but irl, they just happen to be items with vast online documentation. so a lot of dung to snatch, as it were.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall me trying to comprehend lisp and saying the documentation is absent ?
mircea_popescu: same principle. TO THEM they might as well not be there, because in the abstract
mircea_popescu: whereas "copy this code snippet to do json bro" is EVERYWHERE.,
mircea_popescu: it's i realise now, directly the problem - the snippetage. IF a language/method/package/abstract-item-whatever has a lot of "copy paste this snippet" built around it, then the useless worms that opened up and swallowed the immense productive assets and limitless human ingenuity existing in america recognize it for the business-world equivalent of their schooldays : THE HOLY CLIFF NOTES!!1
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and so they attempt to built a career through the process and in the manner that built their "education".
mircea_popescu: functionalistic culture. "i don't have to understand how fridge works as long as i know which door to open" is the first step to "and then i made the hay airplane but presents didn't drop from sky" after all.
mircea_popescu: and "i just want to" is the mantra humming along, all of it.
mircea_popescu: smatterings of "just because x I SHOULDNT HAVE TO y" now and again
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 95.4 / 220 = 0.43363636363636365
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 20:20 mircea_popescu: it's i realise now, directly the problem - the snippetage. IF a language/method/package/abstract-item-whatever has a lot of "copy paste this snippet" built around it, then the useless worms that opened up and swallowed the immense productive assets and limitless human ingenuity existing in america recognize it for the business-world equivalent of their schooldays : THE HOLY CLIFF NOTES!!1
mircea_popescu: imagine what $idiots could accomplish if they put all this pointless labour into actually doing something useful.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform $idiots here takes values from {set of dorks working for usg thinking dicking around with freenode connectivity does something}
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp... it puts my kids through college. i got dental!"
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