asciilifeform: Mocky: hey, at least you dun have the pain of mircea_popescu , who left a whole trinitron behind in old world

asciilifeform: !#s trinitron

asciilifeform: Mocky: trinitron was (imho) the acme of display

asciilifeform: not really equaled since ( tho supposedly the recent led panels just about reproduce the old crt phosphours -- but i cannot bring myself to buy, they suffer some 1980s-esque 'burn in' )

asciilifeform: how often you lift yer display.

asciilifeform: ( and besides, 21 in. thing was, what , 80 pounds, nuffin to write home about mass-wise )

asciilifeform: i actually had one of those strap belt things, for carrying the thing

asciilifeform: https://www.geargrip.com/images/crt_iso.gif << similar item

asciilifeform: made the chore quite a bit lighter

asciilifeform: Mocky: these used to be sold in comp-related shops errywhere

asciilifeform: there's one for towers also

asciilifeform: ( with tower it is much easier to dispense with this, you can bolt an ordinary desk drawer steel handle to most of'em in a few min )

asciilifeform: i traditionally have wheels on my towers, also worx great.

asciilifeform: lol why would i stack'em.

asciilifeform: ( and if you must, you stack horizontally, wheels dun hurt )

asciilifeform brb,meat

asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomo-lulz: readerz will recall, the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835666 'prophecy' bore out into http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850785 самокритика-fest. nao, for next lul in series : ☝︎☝︎

asciilifeform: linus formally surrendered, and nao there is, as i gather, auditions being held, for who will get to be his new bob beck politruk;

asciilifeform: and, first auditioner, apparently, none other than old judas esr :

asciilifeform: https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/9/23/212 ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850847 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: grr

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/40C97 << correct link

asciilifeform: tldr : d00d trying to organize some sort of peasant rebellion, to mop up what remains of the +ev contributors, under guise of 'protest'

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/qQDUD << detail re 'killswitch' lul.

asciilifeform: 'Contributors: You were promised something, you laboured for that promise, and now the promise has become a lie. You have remedies available to you now, as-well as in the close future .' etc

asciilifeform: i expect either a) whole thing is made to silently evaporate , via the usual means b) gpl is formally unwound by usg 'courts', so rathead et al can carry along. i dun see a c) ...

asciilifeform: ianal, but per current usg copyrasty system, copyrights in fact stay with authors, unless sold ( apriori, as in 'work for hire', or post -- if sold, or reassigned by idiot for phree, as e.g. rms demands of authors )

asciilifeform: so in principle afaik yes folx can demand to get their coad pulled from sjw.linux. nao, what practical result will be, no prizes for guessing.

asciilifeform: ( spoiler : either 0, see above, or >0, in which case microshit gets an even bigger crater than it originally paid for )

asciilifeform: it is interesting to consider diff b/w esr and linus. esr judased a thing he had 0 part in baking, and wanked for 20y on the periphery of. linus on oher hand merrily fucked not only the folx who were dumb enuff to invest 25y into baking with him, but... own life's work ☟︎

asciilifeform: colour me thick, but i fully expected he'd take cyanide publicly before descending to this kind of bottom.

asciilifeform: and ftr i dun buy mircea_popescu's 'was always a shit' hypothesis. d00d by any possible measure 'by the fruits' was NOT always-shit. ☟︎

asciilifeform: was 'silent like partizan'. until day x.

asciilifeform: Mocky: it isnt clear to me what sort of blackmail could compare with the surrender. say they put him in electric chair, for killing kennedy, what of it. see also http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1852995 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: then again, for all i know, d00d is already trooly and properly dead, and the surrender was penned for him. ( btw anybody located a signed copy ? and what's the most recent signed linus material anyway ? )

asciilifeform: could argue that he already begun quisling when he permitted 'linux foundation' ( sponsor of such 'luminaries' as gavin ) to make use of his trademark

asciilifeform: !#s linux foundation

asciilifeform: back then was still possible to explain as act of stupidity, tho

asciilifeform: Mocky: i'm not aware of any public discussion re subj to follow, outside of the l0gz

asciilifeform: there appeared out of the usg depths, this squid, 'linux foundation', sponsored at various times erry possible scamola, prb, later gavinisms, tor, etc

asciilifeform: linus in principle had the right to sue for immediate desist of use of his trademark. did not do it.

asciilifeform: ( whether could have won, or not, whoknows, usg 'court' is approx a bank balance contest. but did not even TRY ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: btw upstack peanut gallery thread has coupla interesting nuggets : apparently vultures already circling, professional politruks already publishing their projected ~expenses against linux~ for their 'service' of 'administering code of conduct'

asciilifeform: delish, the smell of fresh corpse, to these, apparently.

asciilifeform: i imagine a maggot's idea of heaven, this, the fresh meat with no prev maggot crew. ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'Qatar is abolishing the exit visa required before expatriate workers are allowed to leave the country' << interesting

asciilifeform: i recall a subj thrd

asciilifeform: 'those born abroad would need to have lived there 20 years' << bit of a downer

asciilifeform: Mocky: makes e.g. ru citizenship look easy.

asciilifeform: ( 5y iirc )

asciilifeform: 20y puts it in the weight category of jp, lichtenstein, swiss.

asciilifeform: Mocky: likely

asciilifeform: eh not exactly sudden, this death

asciilifeform: ( i specifically foretold , e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835536 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect, in these, simple cowardice, they aimt eager to move out of the mental universe where 'law and order' and into the lafond planet where earthly carcass actually finds itself

asciilifeform: i still dun fully grasp the process whereby a theo 'marries' a bobbeck. what's the draw, exactly

asciilifeform: and from this, goes to have power of attourney and trademark rights? bit of a climb eh

asciilifeform: reminds of old-school 'grifters', the kind that marry 85yo heiress

asciilifeform: homo bigmackicus will vote for whatever tv instructs, yes

asciilifeform: i for one have my kernel, and dun expect to ever miss the Official 'new'

asciilifeform brb,meat

asciilifeform: trinque: 4k ?!

asciilifeform: trinque: not long ago noticed a 400 blox gap on mine, where interestingly restarting did not fix, had to sit for the typical n days and finally meet noads who actually have new blox and dun get malleus'd

asciilifeform: it's a network problem, not a trb one.

asciilifeform: trinque: care to post log ?

asciilifeform: cuz it connects to diff nodes.

asciilifeform: on restart. elementarily.

asciilifeform: and otherwise happy to sit for 100 yrs talking to same fuckewits

asciilifeform: i've yet to see this 'stuck', aside from when actively verifying blox. if node with next block shows up, it goes.

asciilifeform: trinque: iirc ben_vulpes actually wrote an experimental this

asciilifeform: but i have not tested

asciilifeform: btw ( and this is not mega-revelation... ) 99.999..+% of noad traffic, is worse than useless -- box is speaking with noads who do not either bring it luscious next valid blox, NOR carry yer tx'en closer to miner, NOR even serve up full chain and enforce trad rulez thereon

asciilifeform: they're just plain dross.

asciilifeform: that we presently have no way to fully be rid of. is all.

asciilifeform: this is an open problem. but there are some pretty simple things that still need doin', e.g. pill for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853265 ☝︎

asciilifeform: lolyes

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853486 << twist : turns out linus has 'intersectional-feminist'(tm) daughter, who helped to break him ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: trinque: the crapola-gluetrap steadystate in trb is what i was trying to kill with 'wires' experiment

asciilifeform: was dead end, tho, at least in the way originally written

asciilifeform: neato.

asciilifeform looks forward to test

asciilifeform: ave1: pretty neat. curious, didja grep the whole thing for hardwired paths ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: ideally in the end there will be none.

asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo crate seems to be in customs limbo still

asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc max packet that linux will actually send, is 65507 byte

asciilifeform: afaik not if you're using blocking send ( and my routine, does )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: unless i misread the docs -- yes

asciilifeform: diana_coman: what was your random size range ?

asciilifeform: according to the man pg, sento() block unless one were to set MSG_DONTWAIT ( and we didn't )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: the other thing, entirely possible that yours got fragged and never unfragged, this'll be path-dependent ( as discussed in orig thread )

asciilifeform: ( i long suspected that nothing far over 512, will reliably go ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: tcpdump -i eth0 udp port YOURPORT -vv -X

asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you have a list of the ones that reached the other end ?

asciilifeform: the other simple experiment, re fragging, is to set up the receiver on local host, and then on same-lan box

asciilifeform: interesting

asciilifeform: see if looks similar when both ends on same box.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's consistent with what i know of the braindamaged frag reassembly mechanism on most iron

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i.e. there's a tiny reassembly buffer, and if it is occupied while new frags fall in, it drops

asciilifeform: ~nobody, afaik, actually queues all udp frags, it is impractical in light of ddosism

asciilifeform: so far is exactly what i expected to see, aha

asciilifeform: ( pleasant surprises are few and far between in the internet-of-shit )

asciilifeform: diana_coman: try the local variant. but i expect even across 1 router hop you will see similar picture.

asciilifeform brb,teatime

asciilifeform: back

asciilifeform: ave1: i was speaking generally, 'are there other hardwired pathisms in there'

asciilifeform: diana_coman: https://archive.is/k6Wxb << udpism likbez ( may or may not contain anyffing new to you, but posting for the l0gz/n00bz )

asciilifeform: the 1 possibly noteworthy bit, is that fragging can take place anywhere in the route, while reassembly -- only at final receiver .

asciilifeform: ( can skip straight to section 'IP Fragmentation' )

asciilifeform: the other item of interest, not mentioned, is that quite a few infrastructural routers will simply drop frags, for the reason that all but 1 frag of a fragged packet contain no copy of the source or destination port -- and thereby impossible to ddos-filter. so they drop'em.

asciilifeform: ( this braindamaged design decision goes, as one might expect, back to the olden days when homo redditus was not yet on the net and 'arpa' designed for nukefest-related problems, not against 'ddos' ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/ijjM3 << even moar pedantic detail re fraggism. ( can safely skip the ipv6-related crapola )

asciilifeform: in particular, 'Lost fragments represent a slightly more involved problem than lost packets. The receiver has a packet reassembly timer upon the receipt of the first fragment, and will continue to hold this reassembly state for the reassembly time. The reassembly timer is a factor in the maximal count of packets in flight, as the packet identifier cannot be recycled within the period defined by the sender-received path delay, plus th

asciilifeform: e receiver’s reassembly timer. For higher delay high capacity network paths, this limit of 65,535 packets in flight can be a potential performance bottleneck [RFC 4963].'

asciilifeform: diana_coman: traceroute --mtu destinationip will show the mtu of the 1st 'fraggable' node in the path ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( i got 1500 , and at own router )

asciilifeform: guten morgen mod6

asciilifeform: mod6: i was thinking of trinque's idea : suppose trb closed all open pipes if it finds that $configurable hours (e.g. 3) have passed without new blox

asciilifeform: mod6: my main hesitation re the item is that it may be 'plugging wrong end of funnel', quite possibly no such gymnastics would be necessary if we simply had a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853143 and always --addnode'd the actually useful nodes, rather than relying on pure chance ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: mod6: right nao, our address-getting mechanism is the ancient turdalicious one inherited from shitoshi -- where the table is blindly filled with whatever connected folx decide to throw in

asciilifeform: this presently consists 90+% of boxen that get immediately (or rather, not quite immediately.. http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853265 ) malleus'd ☝︎

asciilifeform: imho a trb node ought to only advertise addrs that either a) part of the manual --addnode set the node was brought up with , or b) actually supplied a correct block in the recent past

asciilifeform: this will make for something like sane peer propagation, which presently we dun have.

asciilifeform: i suspect that it would lubricate both block rx and tx broadcast.

asciilifeform: arguably 1st step to properly de-sibyl-ing the network.

asciilifeform: sanely-behaving nodes (both trb and hypothetical trb-compatible heathens, which exist, or we'd see 0 blox) ought to be able to find ~and keep~ each other company

asciilifeform: whatever machine cycles ~remain~ after this, can service randos.

asciilifeform: ( nao, ideally all of the sane people would actually know one another and wot, and link their nodes via ciphered pipes, all the way to miner. but i dun expect to live to see this. )

asciilifeform: i'd be interested to see what mircea_popescu makes of this algo. because i can see a possible fatal downside.

asciilifeform: ( potentially such network may favour 'old' miner over 'new' )

asciilifeform: or, rather, slightly increases the 'inertia'

asciilifeform: gedankenexperiment : let's suppose that all new blox presently are born in nodes A, B, C. from there, propagate to rest of planet. the immediate peers of A, B, C, will have them parked at the very top of their peer table, right below the manually-added 'meat' peers. now say a D shows up. D may have faster hash rate even than A+B+C, but his blox will still be considered only ~after~ those of A,B,C. at least, for a time.

asciilifeform: thereby any peer ranking algo that favours 'useful' peers, will give A,B,C a substantial advantage over any new D.

asciilifeform: and not merely because A,B,C reliably supply correct blox, but they also will have most reliable tx-eating. so they will get sent all new tx in preference to D.

asciilifeform: this is a potentially dangerous arse-mouth system. ☟︎

asciilifeform: but on the other hand, the current system makes for pestilential sibylism.

asciilifeform: oh hey

asciilifeform: Mocky: the boojum is that mining in classical btc worx in such a way as to amplify small advantages into gigantic

asciilifeform: Mocky: recall the chains of empty/near-empty blox the chinese sometimes emit

asciilifeform: 'who' is a misconceived, somewhat, q, cockroaches dun have faces

asciilifeform: but in general blox come from asiclandia.

asciilifeform: Mocky: the current algo optimizes for nuffin at all. but the puzzler is, if we were to optimize for ~something~, could it create a problem. esp if the algo worx as i predict, and the nodes using it, end up forming an optimally short link to the miners.

asciilifeform: potentially could sharpen an already dire 'ecological' problem. ☟︎

asciilifeform: !#s miner cartel

asciilifeform: ^ see also.

asciilifeform: superficially correct.

asciilifeform: but end result may end up being a net where even moar 'winner take all' than presently.

asciilifeform: the fundamental problem is that the conditions favouring miner cartels are already baked into btc per se.

asciilifeform: and theoretically if the cartel births '9000' new sybils, it will force the use of something like my algo, whether anyone wants to or not, the layer of sibylade would become undrillable in its absence . but this is admittedly a stretch. ☟︎

asciilifeform: then again we may already be in the midst of just such a thing, there's, what, ~20k distinct nodes operating, and overwhelming majority of these, are simply rubbish

asciilifeform: !#s thermodynamics proposes kinetics disposes

asciilifeform: ( classical btc 'thermodynamics', predispose to cartel. but 'kinetics' of ~randomsoup (vs 'intelligent' routing) make this less apparent. )

asciilifeform: '"I am not happy with the dominance of Chinese contractors. In the first place, the money that they get from these contracts is externalised and all that they return here are meagre wages," said Edgar Syakachoma, himself a contractor. "Let the government also give us the contracts so that they benefit Zambians."' << hey, recall mircea_popescu's piece with the argentine anti-bus protesters

asciilifeform: 'oh noez, bus could take moneybags to some OTHER street'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851949 << see also. ☝︎

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as i understand, orcistani rulers are perfectly free to stop out-inflating the usd, and then can quit worrying re 'leaking hard currency' any time they want

asciilifeform: ( i dun think, e.g., lichtenstein, worries re 'leaking dollars' )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've found that it is normally impossible to explain any such thing to folx who operate in 'pig logic', i.e. 'would there be moar? or less?, slop in my trough?'

asciilifeform: cuz the answer is nearly always 'not only less slop, but butcher shop' and conversation stops there.

asciilifeform: as i understand, this is how mircea_popescu ended up setting bozo bit on argentines. 100% pig-os.

asciilifeform: 'samba si, trabajo no'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: eh they 'acknowledge', in the sense of 'obummer did it'

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i've yet to meet the orc who did not say 'mine is a poor country.' after all, so far from miami.

asciilifeform: that mecca, from which in orc cosmography all wealth somehow flows.

asciilifeform: relatedly, phunphakt, all of asciilifeform's packets to/from BingoBoingostan, relay through 4.68.72.61 : nsa station in miami. ☟︎

asciilifeform: lol!

asciilifeform: what sorta 'events' ?

asciilifeform: mighty lotta cheek, for folx who torment a 300 $ crate in tariff hell, to prattle about 'international marketing' ☟︎

asciilifeform: selling what, exactly. ( daughters ? )

asciilifeform: even per this 'logic', seems like there's a loose end -- so, ok, they sell, SELL, only. bags of benjies -- go in. ~then~ wat. ☟︎

asciilifeform: i guess disney had one possible answer re the 'wat', http://66.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lja7aorWsU1qze0z6o1_1280.jpg

asciilifeform: benjies only work because they eventually return to 'miami', sorta like yer mains socket only worx because current able to go in the neutral pin

asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fwiw i had nfi linus even had daughter. then apparently find, he does, and she's 'pavlik morozov'

asciilifeform: !#s morozov

asciilifeform: ( for folx who aint sov-entomologists : pavlik morozov was a kid who turned in own father to dekulakizers. for this, grandfather beheaded him with axe. and kid was made into an Official 'hero' )

asciilifeform: as for the 'code of conduct' liquishit, apparently thing is written by some purpose-built pantsuit org in berlin, and standardized, and right after l. signing the instrument of surrender, the purges kicked off

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, most of what thing consisted of, was massive gaggle of iron maker sponsored driver-makin' folx

asciilifeform: most of'em prolly not even smelled the smoke yet

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: e.g. the chinese rk people

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's some % who actually endrivered various new iron. e.g. dulap kernel built for arm64 won't actually boot on rk, needs the little bit of chinesium ( i have it laid out, fwiw , mostly, specifically for when we pour cement )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sad-802.11 thing is endemic ( recall asciilifeform's recipe of how to terraform ibm x60 . step 1 is to pull out the wireless nic and stuff in ye olde atheros )

asciilifeform: 0 soldering, thing had a lid

asciilifeform: this was in the not-soldered dayz

asciilifeform: it's a pre-obummer box.

asciilifeform: trinque: on various newer irons, soldered (e.g. almost all 'chromebook')

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever got even as far as this, with a radio nic made post-'08; yer ahead of me

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what nic was this even

asciilifeform: ( at least even if only to put in 'this -- pig shit' file )

asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, another phunphakt, in orig torvalds surrender papers, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850713 : winblowz uniturd quotes . ☝︎

asciilifeform: e.g. 0xE2 0x80 0x9C

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: notoriously broken nic

asciilifeform: it dun even switch on w/out a large fw turd, which i'm guessing mircea_popescu did not have

asciilifeform: pretty much as sad as intel's

asciilifeform: atheros

asciilifeform: realtek also worx, though not nearly as reliably

asciilifeform: e.g. RTL8187L, can be had in usb-boxes like alfa's AWUS036H ( ~20bux in ameristan )

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/m4SR9 << ameristani vendor, but prolly gettable in bananistan, as 'ships from china!' anyway

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853710 << can laugh if you like, but asciilifeform uses room fulla lappies, and most of'em never leave the copper lan ☝︎

asciilifeform: space, and heat.

asciilifeform: ( i dun imagine either is problem in castle mircea_popescustein )

asciilifeform: asciilifeform's dwelling makes nazi uboat look spacious like stadium

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853724 << incidentally ave1's cemented gnat is a 4.9 ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the other end of that stick, the unspeakable salt mine crud that keeps asciilifeform's lights on

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't fathom why kernelism would want a 4.9 specifically

asciilifeform: ( or, rather, can... but who wants )

asciilifeform: dun bother

asciilifeform: there's ~0 to be gained from nursing sad iron, life is too short

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: whoknows, one day you find out that one of'em ported it

asciilifeform: ( like that legend with prof who left unsolved problem as 'homework' on board, came back to find it solved )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol i did say. back in the gossipd thread.

asciilifeform: fragging is massive loss.

asciilifeform: i did have a tiny shred of 'hm maybe modern gear reassembles', but it was just that, a lark

asciilifeform: the real q is , just how far above 512, and below 1500, can go

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: out of curiosity, wouldja be willing to traceroute --mtu 161.0.121.200 and say what mtu you got

asciilifeform: (e.g. mine : F=1500 )

asciilifeform: that there -- is the bottleneck

asciilifeform: i.e. where they start getting fragalicious

asciilifeform: a ty mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: ( anybody else get different number ?? mod6 ? trinque ? et al )

asciilifeform: this # btw includes packet headers. ergo max payload , will be slightly smaller

asciilifeform: note that fragging takes place exactly 1ce, as only final destination ever unfrags. and in my case it happens right where my iron meets isp's fibertron.

asciilifeform: trinque: i just noticed this, on dulap also, apparently some recent year's shitgnomism in gentoo mutilated traceroute

asciilifeform: trinque: fwiw i was able to measure mtu ~from~ dulap, using USE="tracepath" emerge iptools and tracepath -4 asciilifeformshouse

asciilifeform: ( result : 1500 )

asciilifeform: loox like even this basic util, will have to go in cuntoo from asciilifeform's ( or trinque's ) vintage tarballs museum, rather than from 'current'

asciilifeform: ( what did shitgnome have against mtu measurer , gotta wonder )

asciilifeform: i suspect -- similarly afflicted

asciilifeform: in my set : 'version 2.0.19, Jun 28 2013' << happy ; 'version 2.0.20, Sep 24 2018' << saad

asciilifeform: same , supposedly, author, one Dmitry Butskoy

asciilifeform: if somebody can be arsed to find who/what/when/why, could be interesting

asciilifeform: but prolly not worth the cycles

asciilifeform: at any rate, 1500 appears to be the ceiling.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if yer using a linux that 'came with things', it's likely to have both

asciilifeform: aha not surprise

asciilifeform: ha

asciilifeform: metoo

asciilifeform: fwiw ethernet mtu is 1500

asciilifeform: so not mega-surprise

asciilifeform: anyffing above, guaranteed frag

asciilifeform: what i'm curious about, is how far below also frag.

asciilifeform: ( ~inside~ some lands you can get 'jumbogram', up to coupla kB, but this is not really interesting from our pov imho )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha yer likely to get same result with 2048 as with 20000

asciilifeform: well yes : conceivably 'frags in 2' worx ~100% of time, but 'in 8' not etc ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( i predict that any frag at all will give loss that cancels out the win from using heavy packets. but nobody should take my word for it, test, test )

asciilifeform: btw , esp for diana_coman , e.g. 1000 byte payload will be a 1028 byte total mass. (header)

asciilifeform: iirc.

asciilifeform: ergo payload of 1472 corresponds to mass of 1500.

asciilifeform: nao, according to the talmud, max guara-nonfrag udp is 508. but this , this oughta be seen.

asciilifeform: ( 508 payload, that is )

asciilifeform: given as i do not know a reason why it oughta be as low as 508 when going from ip stack mtu would be 1472.

asciilifeform: conceivably , on some really sad gsm modem somewhere, or the like, it will be 508.

asciilifeform: yea as i understand diana_coman already has the knobs, can turn'em when she wakes up

asciilifeform: 1 per burst ( see thrd )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha.. the amazing thing isn't that 'x,y,z are broken' but that any part still worx..

asciilifeform: ( and i indeed suspect that no pentagon ww3 planner planned for anyffing like the current level of breakage, at that )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see thread...

asciilifeform: ( $thread was specifically re puzzler of how -- and if -- to sort nodes ~not~ known to be operated by wot'd humans. rather than ' asciilifeform's wires ' and related experiment )

asciilifeform: right, this'd be immediately practical if the net consisted of wot'd folx an' their boxen

asciilifeform: ( but as it is, we also have a wild animal, in the mix, called miner, and its immediate ecosystem )

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: iirc was one of the moar recent 'trb-i' mircea_popescu threads

asciilifeform: speeaaking of which.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i take it you dun suppose the miners thing , upthread, will be serious boojum ? ( or should i wait for mircea_popescu to eat log )

asciilifeform: rright, i observed that the situation could be forced into being very inexpensively, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-24#1853644 ☝︎

asciilifeform: i.e. may as well gather the win to be had from firing the first rockets.

asciilifeform: whether shitoshi could or not see past own bellybutton, can be debated 4evah

asciilifeform: aaha.. thinking folx, sometimes give up; vermin -- never

asciilifeform: 'stupidity has infinite health' or how did mircea_popescu's old piece formulate it.

asciilifeform: trinque, mircea_popescu , et al : asciilifeform, in light of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2578 etc , has been thinking of genesising the kernel. prolly not tonight or tomorrow, but in near fyootoor. if anyone has particular desires ( & optionally, justification ) for particular ver becoming The Last and cemented, would like to hear about it.

asciilifeform: likewise it is time for folx to go over their iron and nominate driverolade that they believe ought to live.

asciilifeform: or at least, to start.

asciilifeform: ( see also '...Я тебя не трону, а в душе зарою / И прикажу залить цементом, чтобы не разрыть.'(tm)(r)( vysotsky, https://archive.is/LXXw8 ) )

asciilifeform: ( oblig shitty engl. trans, http://samlib.ru/a/as_w/vys-chr-ru-e.shtml )

asciilifeform: 4.9.76 on dulap, and slightly earlier iirc in rk branch ( will have to maintain at least these 2 forks , i suspect )

asciilifeform: i currently dun have a strong opinion re which 4.x is cementable

asciilifeform: i wouldn't even object to cementing a 3.x, supposing i had a working one for rk

asciilifeform: ( i have a buncha pc boxen running 3.x and entirely satisfied with'em )

asciilifeform: but would like to hear from the l1 folx re subj before mixing the cement.

asciilifeform: trinque: imho dun matter worth a sparrow's fart

asciilifeform: i.e. isolation on x86 is illusory

asciilifeform: any attempt to repair it simply creates a nsa.nobus imho

asciilifeform: ( + a reallly slow box.. )

asciilifeform: i'll consider backports of patches that fix e.g. 'magic packet of death', but not 'spectre' etc rubbish

asciilifeform: both now and in fyootoor

asciilifeform: 3.x ~= 2.6

asciilifeform: hm?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not being a debianist, i cannot immediately say which edition of it this'd correspond to

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the oldest i have on currently serving box anywhere is 3.8.8

asciilifeform: neato

asciilifeform: i suppose if you dun need post-'04 irons, worx great