mircea_popescu: in other real news, ttp://68.media.tumblr.com/0b3817c0153c0d491c757468369d371f/tumblr_omsphpjKId1tgc11ao1_1280.jpg
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: burger king triggered the "google home" devices' voice recognition, got them to blather about burger king products after the ad roll
ben_vulpes: nobody listens to dumb ol visual memory ben_vulpes
deedbot: xhiggy voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: 37 seconds from join to up, just shy of two minutes from up to first line, ~same from first line to quit
mircea_popescu: "* A race condition flaw was found in the N_HLDC Linux kernel driver when accessing n_hdlc.tbuf list that can lead to double free. A local, unprivileged user able to set the HDLC line discipline on the tty device could use this flaw to increase their privileges on the system. (CVE-2017-2636, Important)"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don't think so, and i thought about linking this, too heh (need to update/patch kernels if they are < 4.5)
Framedragger: << this one *does* apply to everyone < 4.5 i think
Framedragger: ^ fuckload of android sheep affected. did i hear, 'another internet survey?'
trinque: All those pnojes will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
mircea_popescu: they support the last flimsy pretense of public participation, you realise. about half the general population is functionally illiterate, will spend all their social time inthe day clucking at the things for literal lack of alternative options.
Framedragger: trinque: sounds like a line from a text based adventure game :)
trinque: did they make one? it was Blade Runner, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep in tree form
mircea_popescu: the options died because of the classical giant-sits-in-chair. in the decade intervening, bars went out of business, and people who knew how to run a bar moved on. it's not like the sheeple will raise up and RECONSTRUCT THE PUB.
mircea_popescu: so, once they go into the night, that's it. 4 concrete walls.
mircea_popescu: same model repeating itself over and over and over again. oh, the ancient world where slave talked to woman talked to husband talked to headsman talked to senator was humiliating and inequalitarian ? let's flatten it into a system where 1% talk to the senator (1000% increase over the 0.1% of yore!!11) and the rest talk into an empty takeout box. PROGRESS!!!1
mircea_popescu: and besides, only terrorists would notice that moving from moderated but present inclusion of everyone towards absolutely exclusiuon of almost everyone is no fucking improvement in public access. what, comparisons ? RACIST!!1 thinking about things ?!!?!? MYSOGINY!!!11
trinque: that trilema was one of the more world-altering ones for me, where you described that the hierarchial social model actually gave better odds for the lower branches to be heard. not that this by itself is the most important thing, but rather that look, sense works better for everyone because it is sense.
mircea_popescu: yeah. see, in 1617 the clerk interesterd could go ask the peasants, and if nobody did it was ~an option~ of theirs, which they could remedy or alter. today, pollster is going to talk to peasant's phone which'll tell him moot is to be nytimes man of the year, and he'll call the observation that inexplicably hillary clinton had no support, polls notwithstanding, "Fake news". this is NO LONGER AN OPTION OF HIS.
mircea_popescu: huge fucking loss in human control over human affairs, and meanwhile the idiots are sitting around worrying about "Evil ai". hey, guess what, you don't need the ai to fuck you over.
mircea_popescu: somehow the fact that i can make the phones ( or solar panels, or fridges/cars/whateverelse) read absolutely anything i wish while the poor fuckers supposedly so represented have exactly 0 recourse and 0 alternative is of no concern ; meanwhile the deeply inept conclave of imbeciles is happy and patting each other on the back ebcause hey, they stole a botnet! worth 2-3mn ie nothing! IT WAS ALL WORTH IT!!11
mircea_popescu: back in 1938 THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjJry0vhHj4 was a fucking thing. why ? i have no idea, because a black woman lost her fucking basket. who cares, what difference does it make ? i dunno, none that anyone can discern. NEvERTHELESS!!!!! there she is. she's there. with her stupid basket that only could possibly matter to her. yes, "and half a million black women entirely indistinguishable from her", but this as a
mircea_popescu: today it's "here's a deck of representational trading cards, pick one to think you are, and we'll be reprersenting... the card!!! and therefore (?!?!?) you".
☟︎ mircea_popescu: do you wanna be a kimkardashialladin or a meganfoxarrior ? or perhaps a transgenderogue ?
mircea_popescu: deck's got it fucking all, max aoe, max dps, defense buff, you name it! and don't fucking go "wtf is all this dumb shit" because that's self-radicalizing!!11
mircea_popescu: there's a rather tremendous difference between ella fitzgerald caring about her basket for no reason anyone could comprehend ; and a twentysomething pantsuided aide with 0 sexual experience and owing money coming up with "these are the four things THAT COULD BE, i spent a whole five minutes thinking through the "metaphysics" of "life" and this is what came out so therefore!1". yes, on their own devices people live lives that
mircea_popescu: are bad literature. but there's a tremendous difference between letting them do just that and trying to force them to act in your badly written, tendentious bit of fanfic (with bowdlerized bits lifted from shakespeare and mark twain, just like the sad bits of processed fruit that made their way in your granola).
mircea_popescu: and this is how i'll end up hittign the rum at six in the fucking morning.
mircea_popescu: i'm using the name to represent the corruption. you know who sets it, usg agents set it. and for the obvious why.
mircea_popescu: eh, as long as it gets people on the new kernel. it's good for them.
mircea_popescu: nice find. apparently that's the ONLY thing on all github that does.
a111: Logged on 2016-02-05 21:54 ascii_butugychag: '“I cannot for sure rule out the possibility of a backdoor,” said Gerhard Rieger, a Socat maintainer. “But personally I do not believe that the contributor has a backdoor because he uses an email address at a well known and reputated company, and if someone wants to install such a backdoor he would not use a parameter that can easily be proven as non prime.”'
a111: Logged on 2016-02-05 21:55 ascii_butugychag: 'A post to a technical forum discovered that the non-prime parameter was introduced more than a year ago. A note in the commit indicates that Socat was not working in FIPS mode because it requires a 1024 Diffie-Hellman prime, and added that a developer named Zhiang Wang provided a patch with the new prime. The poster revealed that Wang works at Oracle and contributes to Socat.'
mircea_popescu: fucking useless chinese names btw. gotta start requiring serial numbers from them folk, i betcha there's 10`000 "zhiang wang" s
Framedragger: asciilifeform: i dunno who uses it, either, and why would it be used. it's kind of "remind me about this later" feature, pretty weird/useless
Framedragger: hm. are there cases when the program would be like, "i don't have resources to handle this, later", in some embedded/realtime/low-resource context
Framedragger: prolly no cases where you couldn't use something saner instead?
Framedragger: you can get the length of incoming message by other means than just reading it into the buffer (through ioctl or w/e)
Framedragger: what are they supposed to say? that this is socat-specific? because it's not
Framedragger: maybe it is.. someone could be using it to get buffer length (folx exist who ask 'so how do i use MSG_PEEK for this...')
Framedragger: can't you use `git blame` to find out the latter?
Framedragger: and commits in linux are pgp-signed, not just "ok"d
Framedragger: i can find it elsewhere, too, but small/stupid projects
Framedragger: it seems to use MSG_PEEK to check info on the connected peer (and drop it if need be), and by using this, it can avoid allocating additional memory to take in whole buffer
Framedragger: i guess you could also do `recv(&one_byte_buffer)` and then later `recv(&larger_buffer)`, too; but their use at least makes some sense to me. imho.
Framedragger: (sure, data comes in to network card's buffer anyway)
Framedragger: it saves program-internal memory, but the card itself reads in the data regardless, sure.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: hah, omg i've only heard about this and checking now, even the description is lulzy. "put stuff back into stream"
☟︎ Framedragger: yeah i see what you mean. ultimately it's bullshit/snakeoil. i was just saying that ~some~ sense was had (but you'll prolly deny even that - fair enough)
Framedragger: hm i guess you don't save *any* memory, i can see why
Framedragger: you read in to a fixed size buffer and then discard info/connection if need be. they're pretending to be 'only reading one byte' but it's the kernel which chops off one byte from the rest of the packet
Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
☟︎☟︎ Framedragger: also there is an easy habit to slip into by which you start discarding any things a priori. (mp-emulator: that's not a bad thing(tm))
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:47 Framedragger: asciilifeform: hah, omg i've only heard about this and checking now, even the description is lulzy. "put stuff back into stream"
Framedragger: re manpage, thanks for educating me, as always - yeah ok it's the same thing
a111: Logged on 2015-01-12 18:59 mircea_popescu: bitcoin_charlie didn't you make a plea bargain ?
a111: Logged on 2015-01-12 19:41 pete_dushenski: so bitcoin_charlie what brings you by on this sunny day ?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:52 Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
ben_vulpes: every single spiderweb does not get its own trial
trinque: I'd do it through find for multiple files
trinque: oh right, I mean the bash solution gets hairier from there
doppler: yeah, I'm working on that now
doppler: they get the file index, and then grep each file separately
doppler: if you just want match then it's easy, as you said
trinque: musl's probably defining the thing in net.h or w/e it was
shinohai: today is the 13th (Maundy Thrursday); There are now 13 Lords.
shinohai: Tjis could be a sign of imminent apocalypse
trinque: aha, asciilifeform, musl defines the flag only, in include/sys/socket.h:262
trinque: crypto/bio/bss_dgram.c has several invocations with recvmsg
☟︎ BingoBoingo: <Framedragger> i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary << There's more than one psychological alternative. Why do you automatically go to the worst case?
Framedragger: BingoBoingo: i smell bile and i hate that taste. but possibly i am misconstruing things (i.e., not actual bile in #t)
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: Bile serves a useful function. Without bile you become a cardiac case, a hangry hangry hamplanet.
Framedragger: need to start thinking about internetcensus2012 reboot, i tell ya
BingoBoingo: Framedragger: You simply have to have a healthy bile cycle, don't try to live without bile, but also don't try to hold it all in.
Framedragger: that makes sense :) circulation is the keyword i suppose
Framedragger: asciilifeform: busy at work unfortunately but would be a good effort, yeah
mod6: testing out this first fg here.
mod6: im using gentoo, having a hard time figuring out which usb device the one. i suspect that it's /dev/tty1 but lsusb doesn't exist on this box.
mod6: it ~does~ power on though
Framedragger tried fg last weekend, was all good, (very) small sample (2.7MB) had 7.999936 bits of entropy per byte. but yet to test more thoroughly, including removing shields, etc.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: nah if you iterate thru pages will be other packages as well
mod6: dmesg says 'usb 3-2' for this guy.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: that's why i didn't wave around with the result :) yeah need to do more testing for sure.
mod6: no, i have no /dev/ttyUSB devices at all.
mod6: which is kinda weird, because i hvae a usb keyboard too
Framedragger: (it's possible that bug isn't triggered if you only recv(), not recvfrom(), but i didn't look into it to confirm)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:33 asciilifeform: could say the truth, in theory, 'only used in socat, inserted by wrecker'
Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw udp_recvmsg() is the kernel-internal function which is vulnerable. need to check callstack of recvfrom() vs recv(), possibly only recvfrom() is vulnerable (thereby reducing set of exposed programs greatly). otherwise even more funtimes.
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-13#1642845 << that is misunderstood esprit de corps. it's visible when child does something stupid, gets punished for it, and mother shows up at school to protest ~the punishment~. the fact her son does stupid shit does not bother her -- on the contrary, she knows where he got that from, which knowledge fills her of joy and hope for the future. perhaps if she insists the dumb will inherit the ea
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:36 asciilifeform: also for some reason silence re authorship of the overflow..
mircea_popescu run highschool would have pillory for inept mothers, with topless zebra'd milfs there present almost every day.
Framedragger: huh gdb's `bt` is not giving me backtrace. i put a breakpoint on recvfrom(), it got called and everything, and `bt` gives me squat. compiled with debug symbols. go back to school framedragger
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 13:52 Framedragger: i'll grant you that i'm this overly naive kid as regards these matters. but i fear the psychological alternative :) (becoming an angry man full of bile; principle of charity has a psychological function to me, too). and eh, 'empire'. very binary
Framedragger: "custom shitty udp program" probably fits the bill
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i dare not say, it's more of an emergent effect, a piece from one, a piece of another, and you get a log full o' it
Framedragger: only to an extent, and as BingoBoingo said, circulation. tide goes in, tide goes out
Framedragger: i'm hangover af after $party, everything is black currently (doesn't happen often, tbh)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-12 21:58 danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-12#1642660 << i don't use mouthwash, brush and floss once a day (with regular non vibrating brush, and i reuse the floss untill it splits apart or breaks) -- hadn't been to the dentist in over 8 years; went in last year and they tell me my teeth are in great shape considering, although i did have to get some cavities fixed (mostly in wisdom teeth which is expected. and yes i still have my wisdom teeth
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes nothing's "wired directly to brain" wtf are you on about.
mircea_popescu: /usr/portage/distfiles/gcc-3.3.6.tar.bz2:Binary file (standard input) matches
mircea_popescu: /usr/portage/distfiles/gcc-4.3.6.tar.bz2:Binary file (standard input) matches
ben_vulpes: length of plumbing lines from gums and nasal membranes to brain ispretty short
mircea_popescu: do you not have the rest of the 3.* tree asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes they're not plumbing lines. there is such a thing as brain-blood barrier.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it is a thing ben_vulpes is baseline familiar with, believe it or not!
ben_vulpes: did we ever do the "brain parasite from flushing sinuses with not-entirely-clean-water" thread?
trinque: by now I assume the g prepended means "shit bolted to side"
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 15:30 asciilifeform: in yet-other lulz,
https://archive.is/mcaLO >> 'NEW YORK -- Sheila Abdus-Salaam, an associate judge on New York state's highest court and the first African-American woman to serve on that bench, was found dead Wednesday in the Hudson River, authorities said. ... became the first Muslim judge in the United States when she started serving on the state Supreme Court in 1994 ... On the court, Abdus-Salaam was among the most reliable and
a111: Logged on 2016-07-10 01:40 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-10#1500575 << let me guess, this is really the washington-thinktank-gendarmerie plan getting rid of those pesky washington-local-thinktanks ? plan proceeding according to plan ?
mircea_popescu: tremble, bitches, because you will end up floating on the fucking river. all of youze.
mircea_popescu: trinque that's accurate, actually. "shit improved by the radical communist branch of usg". a sort of "Bitcoin foundation" avant la lettre, "GNu the african antelope".
mircea_popescu: how is this supporting "Sinus flushing" as opposed to, i dunno, "used to wash up pre anal sex" ?
☟︎ trinque: asciilifeform having a great day over here; what bile?
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 16:03 asciilifeform: (standard input):#ifdef MSG_PEEK
mircea_popescu: nfi why it thinks deluge from pile is single file, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: tar xvfz cmake-2.8.10.2.tar.gz --to-stdout | grep -H "MSG_PEEK" /dev/null > liquishit.txt
Framedragger: (meanwhile gdb is "Target does not support branch tracing." (cpu doesn't support one way to do this; it's an i5; omg)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, i recall having sed crash on me last week. "tools". zamac 100% quality guaranteed.
Framedragger: wtf apparently server with xeon cores doesn't support it, either?
mircea_popescu: now if you were poor and "from a needy family" or however "two idiots had kids" is doublespoken today...
mircea_popescu: dude what are you talking about i/we use gdb all the time to trace
Framedragger: asciilifeform: would gdb be able to run on it, tho? with `record btrace`? just curious
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: function call history for c proggy? i prolly am doing sth horribly wrong, tho
mircea_popescu: ah i guess oh. turns out ~i~ was doing some creative reading.
mircea_popescu: but basically ctrl-c bt will print out the whole strack, one line per frame. if that's what you wanted ?
Framedragger: i sorta did want 'any and all jumps' but should be enough for now maybe
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's not actually available. i doubt even intewl thing ever worked as advertised (which is the true explanation of the rarity)
mircea_popescu: it is a more difficult taks than immediately apparent.
mircea_popescu: well so then what use it is ? as per alfism, not reliable, worse than useless!!1
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 16:11 trinque: crypto/bio/bss_dgram.c has several invocations with recvmsg
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 17:03 asciilifeform: Framedragger: dieharder in particular loops around . (why ? because customary bit-poverty)
mircea_popescu: in any event i am looking forward to the princeton paper providing the original research of "shit we read on #trilema that we came up with ourselves shut up terrorist!!1"
mircea_popescu: perhaps it'll be stanford or mit or "another" meaningless head of the same turd of agglomerated stupidity though. for flavour.
mircea_popescu: o, you mean like they obsoleted the only remaining useful us plane without having as much as a proper paper replacement for it ?
mircea_popescu: no, but they ~obsoleted~ it. the trick is that in physical engineering you are allowed backsies.
mircea_popescu: who was the anodyne condolezza rice clone that was doing "revolutionizing" ukraina and failed so spectacularily ?
mircea_popescu: i confess i have trouble retaioning the names of all these c list starlets
mircea_popescu: dumb bitch, kept trying to push "orange revolution" angle and whatnot, 30 years out of date.
mircea_popescu: o look at that -- wikipedia page re "orange revolution" includes no verbiage of usg involvement ; mentions vaguely "russian nationalist groups".
mircea_popescu: Framedragger nah, us citizen, dept of state aparatchick.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-13 17:19 Framedragger: asciilifeform: btw udp_recvmsg() is the kernel-internal function which is vulnerable. need to check callstack of recvfrom() vs recv(), possibly only recvfrom() is vulnerable (thereby reducing set of exposed programs greatly). otherwise even more funtimes.
mod6: nice. all of the basic tests passed.
mod6: on to the advanced tests.
mod6: thanks alf, looking good!
mod6: naw, I gave up on gentoo for the time being, and just used a old deb build machine i've got laying around.
mod6: worked straight away.
mod6: the profile i had on that gentoo machine was 'default/linux/amd64/13.0/nomultilib' and i think it was just an uber basic kernel
mod6: i don't have that notion. just saying, that this one didn't abide.
mod6: was the first box i tried.
mod6: i may give some other boxen a try here at some point too. got a handfull of gentoo boxes, freebsd, openbsd, etc.
mod6: anyway, am now collecting the fg.bin upto 1Gb.
a111: Logged on 2015-06-05 18:36 mircea_popescu: "[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend’s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 17:50 mircea_popescu: not for a fucking second. he is enabling the misbehaviour of 30yo children. i gotta do more work bitchlapping these idiot cunts into the ground because he buys them food and doesn't makle them pay for the shiot they break.
mircea_popescu: (apparently dept of state running out of funds, reuse agitprop materiel)
trinque: further down named in full
mircea_popescu: (the link is particularly funny for the amounts. when it comes to turkey dollars, usg is really poor. 40k here, 10k there, 5k overages accounted for --- a far cry from the "we lost one trillion dollars in 100 bills that never existed" dept of war fare.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, on meditation there's substance to Framedragger 's protest, though perhaps not the sort he'd like. the impulse to "generosity", ie unqualified giving is how people end up in trouble / how the whole mess was engineered in the first place. when you've two oxen yoked to the same cart and one's smaller, sickly and can't pull, some people will naturally have the correct reaction to whip it to death. others will naturaly ha
mircea_popescu: ve the suicidal reaction to "try and help it", ruining carts and setting the world on fire in the process.
a111: Logged on 2015-11-19 02:58 asciilifeform: had an analytical balance sold for use with diamonds and rare earths
mircea_popescu: looks like the chinese are returning the opium war favours. "here, measure your crack!"
mircea_popescu: reason us-made balances are larger being that... they're crappier, helps mask it.
mircea_popescu recalls the time su made "bigger" to hide "shittier" behind it.
mod6: Thanks asciilifeform
mod6: Thank you, Mr. Popescu.
mod6: fwiw, I hope that wasn't a sort of spam for the deedbot.
mod6: She went downhill pretty fast over the last 12 weeks, but her suffering is over.
mod6: In other, less depressing news...
mod6: I'm up to 361k+ and onto blk0019
mod6: asciilifeform: I took bunch of pics while doing the basic tests of the FG.
mod6: I'll write up something and put up the pics somewhere. making thumbnails is a pain in the ass... but will do it anyway.
phf: mod6: my condolences
mod6: aha, good to know. thx :]
a111: 2016-10-22 <znort987> A fresh set of opinions on the topic would be welcome
mircea_popescu: some dude asking me on trilema. da fuck can i tell him.
ben_vulpes: another lesson in ongoing curation of one's wot
a111: Logged on 2016-03-13 21:02 ben_vulpes: "I will simply consider the matter moot." << and keep bettor funds if no receiver steps forward?
mircea_popescu: (no, by no means the first case of "let's take republic wealth and "sell"/give it to usg". our short but rich history is littered with that sort of dorkitude, from
http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Abugpowder to name your poison, which is how "taking investors" ie, allowing outsiders into the wealth even got such a bad name in the first place. the last fucking thing i want is MORE mentally stunted midgits making a profit
mircea_popescu: in btc only to immediately turn around and put that behind the usg idiocy du jour.)
ben_vulpes: in other constantly increasing costs of cross-referencing all of the inanity all of the time, "'ai' picks up biases from texts on which it's trained"
Framedragger: mod6: so sorry to hear that, man, my condolences.
mircea_popescu: for the curious : condolences comes from latin, con - together, dolent, pain.
mircea_popescu: indolent has the same root, "one who feels no pain", in the sense of the pain of being a worthless pos. like legendarily some species of africans, "not worth the whipping".
pete_dushenski: damn znort987... there was no way he was going to make his 86btc back at 1 or 2% margins was there. roi approached infinity as bitbet lost broader republican usage and support. shame.
mircea_popescu: well, i dunno, back in the day people kept saying things about marketing or whatever.
CompanionCube is very sory for mod6's loss, but at least their suffering is over.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: somehow marketing must've just added to expenses!
mircea_popescu: i thought marketing is the only thing that adds to revenue, unlike everything else like say engineering etc, that adds to costs.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is one of those things people say with no expectation of ever being asked to actually carry through or something.
pete_dushenski: you've been reading too many books again, haven't you.
mircea_popescu: and, of course, nubbins / the rest of the "defenders of the public interest" will now reach into their deep pockets and make that public interest whole, amirite ?
a111: Logged on 2016-03-08 18:14 nubbins`: incidentally this was the idea from the start
mircea_popescu: idealism is the notion that there exist "kinds" outside of what experience unfolds.
mod6: Thanks Framedragger & pete_dushenski
mod6: Thanks CompanionCube, indeed.
lobbes: I offer my condolences, as well mod6.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> or wait, bile's green is it. << Black or neon yellow depending on saturation
mod6: shinohai, lobbes, Thank you.