mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the ongoin glulz, Biology-Babe 19F sub "I may be submissive by kink, but I am an strong independent women." LordMPofTMSR "Everyone thinks so." Biology-Babe "Jesus Christ. Fucking respect me you misogynistic douche" LordMPofTMSR "Nah."
☟︎ ben_vulpes: illegal per usg "accredited investors" circus?
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 02:26 mod6: thanks for the script mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well yes, you happen be raising children in a jurisdiction which has decided "issue fiat bonds" is a crown monolpoly.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: probably the jooblocker
mircea_popescu: i mean, i could also start a medicine w/o a license sideline for the same money.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to common sense, these are pestilentially common in the us)
ben_vulpes: there is the "convertible note", which is how the shartupists do a similar thing.
ben_vulpes: if mircea_popescu would spare a lecture on the notion, ex the usg gassing constraint, i would read intently.
ben_vulpes: nevermind, i'll just read my kindleberger instead
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo and lobbes have been working the hosting forums, i don't know what 'funnel' to put together other than get folks to sign into the #pizarro chat room and get them accounts
mircea_popescu: well, after having some sort of flow large enough to be statistically meaningful, yes.
ben_vulpes: and with clickbank not touching btc, 'a(nonymous)-ads' out for not being in the wot all these years, i'm back to the drawing board on where to buy ads/how to drive traffic
mircea_popescu: so is the idea your contribution sums up to "i don't know how to organize sales and why don't we do more fiat things" ?
mircea_popescu: there's about 500 billion fiat-like isps. you can probably buy euro-denominated bonds fron hetzner or ovh or w/e as it is.
mircea_popescu: and they also implement the latest european commision directive or w/e they call the bullshit in-game.
ben_vulpes: i definitely don't know how to organize or drive sales, doing what i see needs doing, and what gets suggested to me, and float my own (bad) ideas. i'm in no way attached to "fiat things". because the exchange rate is eroding capitalization so brutally i thought it worthwhile to take another one on the chin in case this particular bad idea had some flake of merit in it.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the downmovement caught you overcapitalized/underequipped did it.
ben_vulpes: betting that the bill for the rockchip plant is going to hurt by the same token
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ben_vulpes: during the day: sweat! during the night: sweat! but also stare at the ceiling
mircea_popescu: and in other holy shit pantsuitidiocy, the world of wankfic historical rewrites doesn't begin or end with tarantino's "inglorious basterds" imbecility. there's also something called "in tranzit", with the malkovitch moron. about how women can be like, persons and things, dontcha know, even in 1946.
mircea_popescu: terribad ; but to add idiocy to idiocy, they use и instead of N because won't thart be authentic. so you end up with "JOHИ" derpopovich.
mircea_popescu: ima totally call that fucktard joni malkovich from now on.
mircea_popescu: aaand in other lulz, "if (int16 (CS::Threading::AtomicOperations::Decrement (&typeAndRefCount) & 0xffff) <= 0)
mircea_popescu: google does all sorts of "useful" things, basically trying to copy the tmsr model. they have a "google fonts" thing half the sites on the internet link (and in the process, give usg details on the zeks whereabouts every so often) ; they have a "code repository" about a quarter the sites on the internet link (this is instrumental in the multi-mb liquid shit webpage era -- 0 cost liquid shit provided by usg's own alphabet. they
mircea_popescu: have their own "programming languages" and "toolkits" for all sorts of crap. therein included, a "testing framework".
mircea_popescu: in the instant case, it's about 200k loc of nsa strange + of course all sorts of undesirable dependencies (such as... cmake)
a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 21:20 hanbot: mircea_popescu by design apple exists to try and make you use its thing, whether it's some itam or some os or some cable, and it'll make things maximally unpleasant for anyone not on the bandwagon, at any point where the nonapple and the apple touch.
mircea_popescu: it's not "apple". it's google, it's "fiat bonds". what, you're gonna issue fiat bonds, well, "gotta import this here 2mn loc of inane bs / assorted strange". it will include "gotta use ssh/dns/tor/etc" just as it will include "gotta
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-27#1830007 code of conduct" and so forth.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 00:12 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the ongoin glulz, Biology-Babe 19F sub "I may be submissive by kink, but I am an strong independent women." LordMPofTMSR "Everyone thinks so." Biology-Babe "Jesus Christ. Fucking respect me you misogynistic douche" LordMPofTMSR "Nah."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or, for that matter, to the feat of interfacing with fetlife.
mircea_popescu: but since we're doing flavours, here's a bit of flavour : this certain slut's not been allowed to cum for a long time now, i won't get into the details. as i'm running out of unpleasant things to make her to to herself (btw, ever had a girl rub salt in her snatch ?), she got ordered to buy some nice thick candles ("you got candles ?" "you mean like tealights ?") and deepthroat them while dripping wax on her snatch and rubbing
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 18:09 asciilifeform: 'Вот царевна под замком / стонет сизым голубком, / слезы тяжкие роняет, / за свечой свечу вставляет... / Извела уж сто свечей, / а ничуть не легче ей.'
mircea_popescu: you get me, misfortunate slut trying to escape the banana republic ? lives in one of the top 10 "majorest urban centers" in that decrepit shithole
mircea_popescu: there she is, rubbing herself by candle light like a god damned monkey
mircea_popescu: the foregoing is strictly and absolutely true, by the way, not a stitch of fabrication (on either the story or the slut involved, for that matter).
mod6: ah, not too bad! need coffee, just catching up on the log.
mircea_popescu: all i can see from this chair is a bunch of "please care about us" peculiar toolings. exactly the gates gambit of 1980s.
mircea_popescu: "no static linking" is how you say "no actual ownership of anything" in the context of computer programming and "i am heavily into consent" is how you say "no static linking" in the context of sexual practice and so fucking following.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They've had versions already including living with the parents until the parents croak and the ghetto pensions which appear to be a Latino implementation of the traditional English "bedsit"
mircea_popescu: living with the cattle set to make a resurgence soonish.
BingoBoingo: And the Fiber monopoly just called. Installation scheduled for next week.
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lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suppose now you can run your own hostel on wot basis!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That could be a thing in the future
BingoBoingo: The biggest problem with the hostel model as I've seen is that the "anyone can book" aspect means at least once a month someone who isn't fit to sleep with the cattle ends up not only staying, but frequently overstaying.
BingoBoingo: Right, the wot fixes that problem. A recommendation only hostel wouldn't get that kind of vermin
mircea_popescu: eh, whole stack of nonsense so tall by now, attempts to interact with it on the face indistinguishable from pardoy.
mircea_popescu: as far as anyone knows, usg is still churning the same bitcoin dust it got by clicking on faucets back in 2012. first it "sold it" via the usms scam, now it "captured" it and so following.
mircea_popescu: i don't get the hairbrushes twist. is cocaine supposed to look like dandruff or what ?!
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in peculiar deaths, "Dr. Andreas Niederbichler, 42, put cocaine on his penis before the unnamed 38-year-old woman went down on him. Police say Niederbichler did the same thing with three other women."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not really, if it's uncut and the woman's unused, she can croak just fine out of a sprinkling.
mircea_popescu: penis terrible delivery mechanism, you never know how much gets slobbered down your ballsac etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason doctors don't deliver medicine this way, you know ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the world is full of junkies going "he-he, 1 gram cocaine ld50, i once bla bla bla". yes, obviously, if you do enough it stops doing anything whatsoever eventually. but in civillians...
mircea_popescu: or, "here, everyone does this much", 16 yo gets seizures. "everyone ie a bunch of old crack whores ?! wow!"
mircea_popescu: and, of course, genetics. i wonder why alf's "drunk" booze level is samoan's "dead" booze level.
BingoBoingo: I have my doubts that they do. They ones who do it here are mostly bums getting hight off of low content waste products.
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PeterL: asciilifeform: worse, this is cygwin
PeterL: is the token SWAP_BE64 something that you don't have to define on good systems?
phf: PeterL: the approach that we've been taking with legacy C code is pulling out autotools, and replacing with a single #ifdef/.. configuration header. outside of linux/bsd code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file (
http://btcbase.org/patches/vdiff_sha_static/tree/vtools/src/system.h#L145 in case of vtools) and patch it for your system
☟︎ phf: well, not until we also start providing our own, portable libc with all the possible portable functionality included. like bswap64 in this case
phf: that's not the source of the issue though, musl is libc, all the other libc's also support the entirety of libc, the horror crawls through the parts where no libc or posix or whatever exists. for example byteswapping code is not in there
phf: well, in that case the problem is already solved. if PeterL were to install cuntoo with musl (or without) vtools will build.
phf: but where this subthread started "_outside of linux/bsd_ code is probably not going to work, and the approach is to look at the configuration header file and patch it _for your system_
phf: vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd
☟︎ mod6: Ladies and Gentlemen of the Republic, if anyone has any updates or changes to the list of Advertised Republican Nodes, please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks in advance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cocaine mystery resolved by the conclave of girls that know all sexual things (tm) : yes strongest local anesthetic ; the thing called "face fucking" (ye olde irrumatio, as in "paedicabo ego vos et irrumabo") requires a skilled practitioner on the receiving side. if doctor prefers to fuck other people's wives, anesthesia help.s
mircea_popescu: i hope you're as impressed as me with the nude and rude, "ask a question, get an answer, this isn't fucking about".
a111: Logged on 2018-06-27 18:18 phf: vtools are already pre-heathened, support apple and freebsd
mircea_popescu: in other strange, there's apparently a town of ypsilanti in michigan.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 17:27 asciilifeform: it was literally a week+ of sawing off #includes, nixing #ifdef's, moving blocks of code from 1,001 places and deduplicating, etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-01-03 03:48 mircea_popescu: <ascii_rear> static, de-#ifdef'd, etc. <<< that's pretty cvool actually.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-19 22:28 asciilifeform: 'portable' on my planet means PORTABLE and not a gaggle of #ifdef's
a111: Logged on 2014-10-24 23:22 asciilifeform: because all that was done in patch 1, is remove ifdef crud
phf: considering that no one but myself have signed vtools i'm not too worried about that part
phf: well, in principles i'm not buying the untested code signing argument, because we don't have a universal measure for what code signing indicates. you've attempted to solve that problem, but it's not been used by anyone. i think right now effectively code signing works like a wot rating, without a rating. you have to consult with the signer to discover what the intent was.
mircea_popescu: phf this is not avoidable, to figure out ~why~ you put x.key in your seals dir you gotta know, human-know, what x stands for.
phf: well, vpatches without one true genesis implicitly bring in the world
phf: you're not signing that printf on counterparty's machine doesn't actually bind to system("rm ...")
mircea_popescu: so what is "happens" ? what ~should have happened~ or what ~did happen~ ?
mircea_popescu: on the other hand of this argument, "hey mp, what time is it ?" "when ? now ? or when you asked me ?"
phf: this argument also applies to the entirety of code off the happy path. "but dollars to doughnuts if you dun have <particularly situation> you won't bother reading its <conditional blocks>".
mircea_popescu: phf the "considering that no one but myself have signed vtool" argument is disingenuous in the sense that of telling sons "considering i'm the only one fucking anything...". dami tempu ca ti pirtusu
phf: mircea_popescu: it was more of a tongue in cheek, since i think that asciilifeform is tediously relentless on this particular point
a111: Logged on 2018-01-18 20:11 mircea_popescu: and all this goes right into that older thread of ambiguity, orthogonality and language -- you can never make a language that's orthogonal and ~useful~ in the natural sense. let alone "that anyone'd want to use".
mircea_popescu: so it'd seem the directly evident solution is also correct : let him pull out all ifdefs and let you maintain them, and if this means divergent-same trees, what of it.
mircea_popescu: coherence is after all expensive, and yet-another statement of "the core of this here republic" would be that we don't value coherence above our own heads.
phf: asciilifeform: i'm still unconvinced by this line of argument, and not on technical merits. i think there's a point that i can't articulate, about what it is that you're signing exactly. an if-def-less code suffers from the same problem that you're trying to apply to ifdef specifically. i can't sign that printf is not malicious on the target machine.
mircea_popescu: phf nevertheless, his argument is reductionist not categorical. saying "all men die, even those without pneumonia" is not a good reason for bb to not go see doctor.
phf: mircea_popescu: but his argument doesn't indicate how pneumonia is a disease. "you will die from pneumonia" taken in isolation doesn't indicate "how soon", etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform however : if you sign code you've not read, you sign code you've not read. if you sign code you've not ~run~, you don't necessarily sign code you've not read.
mircea_popescu: the signature is as to reading, ie, performative, i joe did this. it is not as to the world, ie, declarative, "sticks and stones won't break your bones".
mircea_popescu: hence the multi-tree comment earlier. this seems inescapable.
mircea_popescu: and in practice, too. Mocky 's out there trying to run a eulora toolchain on windows i think, peterl trying to vtool on cygwin, etc
jurov: BingoBoingo: ack, will do
mircea_popescu: my first step would be "omfg take that cygwin out". but as per phf's, since i'm not doing it...
phf: well, like i said from that perspective there's nothing left to do, cygwin is not supported.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform permit me to quote : "FindSortedKey<csFixedSizeAllocator<32u, CS::Memory::AllocatorHeap<CS::Memory::Heap*> >::BlockKey> (this=0x9aee6d3c, __in_chrg=<value optimized out>) at ./include/csutil/array.h:893"
diana_coman: one of the many ways client croaks from time to time
mircea_popescu: and what it does to memory management is nobody's business
mircea_popescu: but im starting to suspect it actually regexps over an indexed list.
mircea_popescu: "let's make keys, and let's give them indices that aren't guarantee to not collide, and then let's regexp match indices in this indexed list by AN EVEN SHORTER PATTERN"
diana_coman: asciilifeform, that is the deepest level of shit; sort of dungeon style, gotta peel them off one by one
mircea_popescu: it's just shocking to me how ~perdurant~ certain thought patterns are. in continuation of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-26#1829978 ; because ~how the fuck~ is it the case i'd find the same stupidity implemented by some orc kids in some video game engine wanna-be as usg's own brahmin german put in the post-zimmermann pgp massacre ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-06-26 21:27 mircea_popescu: once my seething rage piped down it occured to me that "dood, what you're almost entirely about is a rejection of the lamenormal. why are you wondering that consummate normalcy gets you pissed off and why are you surprised it produces itself ?!"
mircea_popescu: how do they even know to do this ? not like they're studying each other! fuck, not like they even have the ability to meet, or even speak.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am starting to feel exactly like golden age antrhopologists cca 1800s going "how the fuck did these primitives who didn't even sail manage to have ~the same myths~ ?"
diana_coman: eh, path of least resistance is same, what
mircea_popescu: i am having a major perturbation, and have for weeks. this is just...
mircea_popescu: stone age tribe unknown to mankind, lost in the endless wastes of today's "Sakha Republic" and stone age tribe unknown to mankind, lost in the guarani lands in south america all agree, 3+5 = 11.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, asciilifeform 's lizard hitler hypothesis is exact modern restatement of ye olde "civilisation started by aliens" theory, which was precisely because belle epoque thinking folk threw their hands up over this exact stability.
mircea_popescu: this much is true, yes. "how come mothers always know what the kids' been up to ?!?!?!?!" "riiight. because kids are so fucking original."
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 13:29 asciilifeform: 'if i make it what i think is the right size, it crashes!111'
trinque: commonalities among the preverbal gotta be built into the meat.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now that all this is out of the way : would you say specific countermeasures people with known physiology take to avoid known psychopathology are engineering or not ? and if yes, what to yoi object in ifdefs besides the name ?
mircea_popescu: because this is all i can make of it, #ifdef 3+5=11moron, let 3+5=8.
mircea_popescu: to which alf answers "sorry, i only fuck 19yos, i can't tell you why the tits sag" and i go "sure you do, but other people not as fortunate."
a111: Logged on 2017-04-07 18:24 mircea_popescu: no, let's also de-equivocate think. there's two kinds of think, one's a forge/reflow/examination of trees resulting in analytical consumption of inputs with actionable outputs guaranteed ; the other is a neurotic behaviour perhaps best described as spinning, whereby specific emotional triggers / detriggers are visited in succession. the prussian model was never concerned with the former in any sense, but merely aimed to elimi
mircea_popescu: no argument. but what is the ibm xt compatible, climbing down or back up ?
mircea_popescu: that's the problem here. "1. we have these machines ; 2. we know they're broken ; 3. alf objects to the curative process either because he doesn't like its name or because that which cureth could make ill."
mircea_popescu: but yes the reason ifdefs exist is because machines are broken.
mircea_popescu: ifdefs don't flow from prime principles, they're no if.
mircea_popescu: or rather, because people would prefer a single trunk for all machines, diversely broken, than a trunk for each kind of breakage.
mircea_popescu: i dunno i'd go so far as that, but it definitely isn't great engineering.
mircea_popescu: having 27 independent restatements of the ~same thing is not intellectually dirty ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 20:13 mircea_popescu: anyway, to get back to the 2nd fold of the error : the NOTION of translation is pernicious, and stuff like the protestant lulz of "church of self-esteem" or "we choose to emphasize <bla>" are not unbound errors.
mircea_popescu: seems the ifdef approach to the problem is more in the vein of the kaballah+commentary (ie, the right thing) than in the vein of the xtian "translated scripture" + "megachurch", ie, idiocy.
mircea_popescu: this is traditionally the view of rabbis re bulk of commentary mass.
mircea_popescu: to bring this flock back to the manger : what you choose to cut out to stay afloat in the postmodern deluge of intellectual objects is your choice!
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, not all these choices can actually be made into meaning.
mircea_popescu: but i suspect you will rue this day if you were to actually get your way, and at some point in 2118 all the work available consists of "try and write this thing from tree y for tree z, we don't currently know why it's a broken polymorphism to the x tree"
mircea_popescu: no, this is simply "27 different proggies, no longet try to masquerade as 1"
mircea_popescu: and if effort is made, no more specificity of diddling, cr51 for them all ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, the protabilityhell starts with printf, which is why phf was using that as example.
mircea_popescu: ye olde dos fit this, yes ? ye olde lispm, perhaps, also ?
mircea_popescu: in less lofty matters, do you happ[en to recall where the fuck i said essentially "women are the societal scar tissue, by the time males start leaving a field and women start joining it, it's fucked" ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: perhaps a continuation of ballas' point re male nurses, but fucked i be if i can find it again.
a111: Logged on 2012-08-24 01:31 EmanuelDeOrtego_: I like that there are so many women involved with Bitcoin.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-18 22:29 asciilifeform: '... what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes sheer need as the motivation to enter the field.'
mircea_popescu: ironically (at least from my experience), girls significantly more dedicated and skillable than boys.
mircea_popescu: no, genuinely, it's both easier and faster to teach a girl ~anything.
mircea_popescu: not at all. what, i don't give physics crash courses upon admission.
mircea_popescu: yes, but it ain't about "minor unexpected" either. it's that i was there, it has everything to do with me and how much she wants to please/impress/etc.
mircea_popescu: how do you discern if you're measuring the fermion's flavour rather than the tool's flavour ?
mircea_popescu: there's no way known to measure individual particles, they use particle interaction, yes ?
mircea_popescu: if you don't watch at least two of them interact, then what can you say.
mircea_popescu: well... consider the recently discussed case of amphibian landing.
mircea_popescu: girl drove ~through~ rather than stopping and choking my engine.
mircea_popescu: "utterly fucking broken down system of major complexity -- i have identified correct way out and the pedal goes down"
mircea_popescu: i never taught anyone how to drive, i don't even drive myself.
mircea_popescu: but i thought the argument was as to difference, rather than "any driver"
mircea_popescu: also, she's a) too young to have multi decade driven and b) only recently allowed to drive at all anyway. so...
mircea_popescu: could be that women are actually better drivers, if not fucked in the head by idiot mother/bf combo.
mircea_popescu: i am seriously considering buying her a racer if i ever europe again.
trinque recently hired sister in an "answer the phone, handle all shitshows" role. job's literally "fill all gaps", hits things she never trained for all day.
trinque: only two data points, but she blows the male tech out of the damned water.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know there's a quote for this, and it goes like "Just because females could endure anything does not mean they should is my view I suppose"
trinque: in the case of my sister, sails like a champ, just doesn't produce own wind. this seems entirely biologically appropriate for her.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's also the Rioplatense case of the bunnies that just... don't want to... Not if it doesn't involve cardboard sculpture
mircea_popescu: the more typically observed pattern in humans, actually, is the skeleton.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, i am not responsible for moronia recruiting the wrong chicks.
mircea_popescu: i'm happy with my set, enough so as to not hire male drivers.
mircea_popescu: taste all the cunts ; when you find the salty one you got her.
BingoBoingo: In other trivia Anthony Kennedy is giving up. Make SCOTUS, Great Again!