phf: i misspelled something in btcbase search and was surprised when it didn't "search instead for ..." me.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: his client disconnected earlier
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 23:27 lulcoinz: my understanding is this group doesn't really support segwit or BU
ben_vulpes: and also phf's actually-useful btcbase
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah i have like one per machine over here :D
mircea_popescu: redundancy ftw, it's so luxurious. who the fuck else has shit like this, not even lizard captains.
mircea_popescu: in the same vein : new dork (at least i've not seen him before) with apparent delusions of "management" at place i normally frequent. i tell him to bring me a dozen empanadas para llevar. he... didn't understand, at first, then on second pass told me to go to "the different counter", then got invited to go search for his mother's cunt, which rendered him apoplectic. /me went to other place down the street he also frequents, g
mircea_popescu: ot his empanadas as well as open invite from waitress who's apparently been waiting for moths for the one time mp is not with cunt in tow.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-20 23:38 asciilifeform: ( emacs -- and ~unfixably -- has few useful SINGLE-KEY commands )
phf: i've been reflecting on the implications of that point with one of the effects that i stopped using emacs (a while ago).
phf: well, i realized that environment micro optimizations are mostly a waste of time, and that something like emacs is one of the worst offenders.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: there is this very specific failure mode whereby computerists who for naive reasons decide "they don't play computer games" end up game-ifying their daily life. it is way the fuck better to level up a warlock than to dick around "saving" typing and growing a crop of tomatoes on your balcony.
mircea_popescu: but rare indeed is the computerhead who will sit down and compare the time "improvement" takes to implement CORRECTLY, AND MAINTAIN ; vs the time it actually saves.
phf: this whole "literate" point is not so much about specific technology, as it is about rebalancing the tree from the root, so to speak, wherein it's sometimes ok to push the key 70 times
mircea_popescu: come along now an' let's play that strange game where errything's a key!
mircea_popescu: i wish someone here made a garage band so i could write lyrics for them.
ben_vulpes: this is a subset of the "programmers are bad at cost/benefit evaluation" thread
mircea_popescu: more like, "whores are bad at finding non-slippery solutions."
ben_vulpes: for example, somehow dropbox let its engineers haul off and do an open-sores python reimplementation
ben_vulpes: because "go back to your fucking cubicle and file a purchase request for seven more servers"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you know what is the real because there ?
mircea_popescu: it all relies on the almighthy IDF. investor dream fuel. dja know what that is ?
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like nightmare fuel in media. a substance that makes people with money and no clue imagine happy thoughts.
mircea_popescu: large companies without a point or purpose adrift in economic anomie essentialy become IDF packagers.
mircea_popescu: and the hope is that who knows, maybe the dorks come back with some idf. in any case, up until they return, the thread can be deemed as idf as-is.
mircea_popescu: "we have engineers doing things|! " "What ?" "we don't actually know." "here's some money then."
mircea_popescu: like the lemonade of the proverbial lemonade stand that's always used as example in theoretical economics.
mircea_popescu: You may, and some do, complain that there is no super-compact expression of some particular problems, but what you completely miss is that the _penalty_ for thinking "outside of the box" or outside of the "intended" uses of the language is _also_ absent.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the difference between imponade and the idf is that the imponade relies on failure of those imponed upon to evaluate ; whereas the idf relies on the fundamental problem of the cost of evaluation -- sometimes it's huge.
mircea_popescu: ie, it's one thing to tell yokel your apple's a mango, it's another thing to claim your apple cures sun eclypse.
mircea_popescu: in practice though, this theoretical distinction carries little importance.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 00:49 mircea_popescu: i know some clits i don't mind pushing 707 times.
mircea_popescu: (though it's a welcome exercise, in passing, to consider HOW would you rigurously prove an apple doesn't cure sun eclipse.)
mircea_popescu: hence all the "uncharted lands" references all the time.
mircea_popescu: that i'd rather he had a sane woman to take him to the hospital.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't really work in romanian. i mean, a common honorific for the deceased is "regretatul" ie, the regretted. but that's about as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi why regrets - noun wouldn't work in a language where regrets - verb in perfective aspect works out of the box and without glue. in romanian it needs glue to work, and you can say "hey, no glue for noun so you can't do that!"
phf: asciilifeform: with nothing, that's the beauty of it.
phf: btcbase still runs on slime, but it's a 30 line el file that lives in the repo itself.
☟︎ phf: i sometimes load it to do a macro transform on a particularly gnarly file
phf: but otherwise i use whatever. it's sort of like, if you don't have a hammer, you don't go pounding nails when you have nothing btter to do
phf: who-calls ~what~? ~when~? why am i even asking that question? we're discussing a tool outside of specific problem, which is precisely "harmful habits" manifestation
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 01:15 phf: btcbase still runs on slime, but it's a 30 line el file that lives in the repo itself.
mircea_popescu: "but the hammer's so nice" "dude we're discussing a tool by itself" "don't you think it's nice ?"
mircea_popescu: let's put it this way : if your program is compelx enough you forgot who-calls and it is not actually addressed to a large enough problem space, maybe it's time to review why you're writing it.
mircea_popescu: right back to the whole "but my balcony tomato plantation!11!"
ben_vulpes: hey now, who-calls is extremely-useful for archaeological work
mircea_popescu: yes, i understand that man drowning in complexishit may find various straws to help himself keep breather holes above level for a week longer.
mircea_popescu: still, wouldn'\t it be kinda nice if he sat himself on chair instead of all that ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes, but this means you're doing archeological work. why are you ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't imagine he's proposing you don't use whatever tool you want for whatever job.
mircea_popescu: what he's proposing is that it's a tad ridiculous to keep, like every honest taxpaying, they took our jerbs murican, shiny toolkit in garage, that cost 5k to buy and used a total of 400 watts in its entire life
phf: i'm not sure where to even start with alf's vitriol, but i've seen this conversations enough to not even try
ben_vulpes: to play priest of heterodoxy for a moment, what is wrong with grep in place of `who-calls`, works for any-lang
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: perhaps it is sin of too-much-emacs, but this is not an interruption to my loop
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: expand on 'corner cases'?
phf: ben_vulpes: we're not actually discussing various relative merritts of various who calls, because we don't have any problem in mind. for trb clion's who-calls is above and beyond anything emacs provides, for genera's clim ~genera~ is way better at who calls, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, suppose you run your car over a pothole. what do you do now ?
mircea_popescu: because your answer is "nothing", ima say you're at cocaineyacht stage!!11
mircea_popescu: well, shouldn't you have a barrel of asphalt in your car, fix the hole ? serious people go about with barrel of asphalt tied to car.\
mircea_popescu: could you possibly also consider yopu know, just going to a different town ?
mircea_popescu: yet there also is the BEST IN CLASS asphalt barrel with car attacher!
mircea_popescu: some people (known as you know, road workers) have very strong preferences re the asphalt barrelatron.
mircea_popescu: it is also not safe to say "they're the only ones doing roadwork". etc.
phf: i didn't actually quit programming, omg. this is reminiscent of the whisperers thread, where a strawman, once chosen, because the only possible direction of conversation
mircea_popescu: your asking has very little in common with asking and a lot in common with "i'll just make up some random shit within 0.1 s and challenge everyone to prove it wrong"
ben_vulpes: nails are the worst metaphorkical pick.
mircea_popescu: which... well, let's say it generally fails to capture the interest of females, or males older than about 16.
ben_vulpes: from which the other rec which i took derives, "appcode"
phf: there's no point to answering that question, because it's irrelevant to my original point
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes at no poin he says this, your banks need ecc!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: perhaps the interstitial spaces carry meaning for me
phf: but in structural carpentry by the way they don't use nails, drills and screws. (i have experience with that one, and last time i did a build i don't think we even had a hammer)
mircea_popescu: phf i suspect your ride having been identified as possibly gay, you're now to defend your manhood in ARMED COMBAT!
mircea_popescu: and yes, everyone but asciilifeform is aware hammer-carpentry is ~windows-computing but anyway.
mircea_popescu: fucking TERRIBLE idea, "oh, let's shove a hard item through the panes, that'll show 'em!"
mircea_popescu: "won't shit get randomly bent and displaced and you only get the residual friction anyway ?" "YEAH!!!"
phf: asciilifeform: ~screws~ not nails
phf: and screws are fastened using a drill, not hammer
phf: you'd think ascii would know that one, traditional ru construction method
trinque: phf already answered the IDE question in another thread
a111: Logged on 2017-03-11 21:36 phf: that's another reason, why i don't for example, "hack my python with vim like a real hacker". give me the filthiest, most feature rich IDE, where i can just push spacebar to get half of my scaffolding, or whatever kids these days
trinque: seems pretty reasonable; java vogons are gonna make the "best" vogonator
trinque: I dunno about the commercial lisp IDE situation but wouldn't surprise me if they're pretty ok
trinque: might have to do with which end of the pig you find most repellant
trinque: I'm over here with emacs as window manager, shit you not.
mircea_popescu: come to think labout it, the extensive keybindings was the part i enjoyed least about derive.
mircea_popescu: ~everyone i knew using it for srs first composed a string for paper.
mircea_popescu: i think i mentioned old dood doing actual mm paper acre sized work at some point.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 00:44 phf: well, i realized that environment micro optimizations are mostly a waste of time, and that something like emacs is one of the worst offenders.
phf: trinque: i've been there, i used exwm for a couple of months. there's no end to the rabbit hole when it's made out of bits, is my point
trinque: I'm tempted to fiddle with midnight commander after asciilifeform's mention
mircea_popescu: trinque it was part of my survival kit for "gotta use a windows system"
mircea_popescu: fortunately, this hasn't been a thing in a decade by now.
mircea_popescu: well, let's say it did most of my work back in the day.
mircea_popescu: shit was ~windows 3.1, except actually worked, was actually useful and took like 300kb. but otherwise - exactly identical. unsurprisingly, didn't take off.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dos wasn't altogether shell-less though. about par with ash or w/e they had at the time.
mircea_popescu: no pipe, no shell. that much. pretty sure there was an awkatron as a command.
mircea_popescu: but you couldn't really go | which ... yeah. ruins it.
mircea_popescu: they made biosen with asm debuggers built in, back then, too!
mircea_popescu: i used to use it daily when i used real mode computors for sure.
phf: i briefly used emacs and clisp in dos. as poor man lisp machine as it gets
mircea_popescu: yeah remember when these were actually worth reading ?
phf: ru had computerra, which was quite decent in 98 or so, went downhill after
mircea_popescu: basically people'd steal whatever govt office supplies, make a... well i guess a sort of blog, really. 90s.
mircea_popescu: aha, back when the shitshow could still have been killed.
mircea_popescu: and a universal if foolish unawareness of the republic.
mircea_popescu: "why should some thigns be destroyed. live and let live!!11"
mircea_popescu: "oh, big whoop, why oppress the niggers! not like i don't have my nice suit or my sane office"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform observe that at the tme phoenix could make... cpu competitor board.,
phf: mode ##lmi +b foo@bar
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 00:21 mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo afaik that's a chinese brand.
a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 01:09 mircea_popescu: i thought it worked in english.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, server went down, and now need to fix stuff. will do
Framedragger: but logger should of course be more antifragile(tm)
Framedragger: test2 (sorry for teh spam, need to make sure i understand issues)
Framedragger: (this might also a be good kickinass to finally move to db, however, no time till april, so considering quickdirtierfix for now, which is a bit yuck)
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, "where the fuck are you ?" "i'm stuck in traffic on the highway."
mircea_popescu: for the love of utter debasement, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE PURPOSE OF THE HIGHWAY THEN!
mircea_popescu: that's why it's there, to not get stuck in traffic. "oh, i got a scrape and then i put disinfectant on it which infected it".
shinohai: Kinda like indiancandy having a vagina she didn't want to penetrate with anything.
shinohai waves to mod6, passes coffee [~]D
shinohai: I found this poor little Dell Inspiron 4150 sitting by a dumpster on my morning walk. Brought it home and the thing actually booted w/Knoppix xD
mod6: I hung my new 4'x6' whiteboard next to the battlestation last night. 'tis awesome.
shinohai: Speaking of battlestations, didn't you mention you have a new boxxen in the works?
mod6: well, yeah, i've got a new dedicated box that is trb w/wires and currently syncing from thin air.
mod6: and I ordered a physical box that has the same 2 procs, but has 64gb of ram as opposed to 24gb. just needs few disks.
mod6: then will probably get that setup and colocate it somewhere.
mod6: once fully sync'd they both could be masters ; helping avoid star topology.
danielpbarron: there is traffic on highways because women think it exists for them to set cruise control in whichever lane they happen to end up, and then play games on their phone until they get to work, which results in long strings of cars going exactly the same speed, which results in congestion when even a single similarly slow car tries to pass the clog.
danielpbarron: if that speed were the speed i want to go then i guess it wouldn't be a problem. but i drive fast
danielpbarron: but no, what happens is when cars are so close together it is much more likely for a phase change to occur (that is going from a state where it is trivial to change lanes to one where changing lanes is difficult because it's hard to find an opening)
danielpbarron: all it takes then is one idiot to hit the breaks for no reason and all the other cars similarly break, and it ripples backwards causing another phase change into what you call a jam, where changing lanes is impossible.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they were thinking, "we're going to mass industrialize in 1980 AND BUILD ROADS"
mircea_popescu: bitch, what ? would have been 2x as good and 10x as cheap to build rail.
trinque: half the idiocy is city zoning
trinque: lets cram everyone working into the smallest place possible
phf: dc traffic is special. ferrying the mass of aparatchiks with their high boredom tolerance through the narrow corridors between the old money property
mircea_popescu: worst fucking idea ever. zoning should be illegal by constitutional ammendment,
mircea_popescu: "no one shall make any covenant as to the use of land."
trinque: so the thing spreads out and grows new "downtown" clusters all the time
trinque: almost like leave life the fuck alone and it works fine
mircea_popescu: look : if my slavegirl wears a red dress and i dun like it, i go "take that thing off". maybe i don't go anything. but i sure as fuck don't go "oh honey, red dresses aren't good."
mircea_popescu: SAME EXACT fucking thing here. if you want your plebs to walk, FUCKING TALK TO THEM.
mircea_popescu: none of the bs "oh.... there is ... A RULE ... about genera l things"
mircea_popescu: if you're too shy to talk to your plebs just go hang yourself.
mircea_popescu: do the world and yourself a basic fucking courtesy and opress people individually, rather than trying to come up with impersonal bs.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, it's unseemly. by now the big house is a large corral.
scriba: ssh banner of 64.150.192.42 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.7p1 Debian-8
danielpbarron: how do you oppress someone individually on the highway? run them off the road?
phf: i jumped a fence while drunk in georgetown once, during my college years, was invited for a glass of bourbon and a chat by the owner. "i was a rufian, like you, young boys, once"
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron pickup truck with mortar and g2g missiles, imo.
trinque: some truck owners around here have those idiot LED light bars
trinque: I think they qualify if you're close enough behind
trinque: I dunno if this is even a thing elsewhere
phf: ever since playing Quarantine, i thought that it wouldn't be a bad idea to make highways lawless zones
mircea_popescu: on the contrary : car is permitted on the ground provided it gets in the way of no pedestrians.
mircea_popescu: must obtain certificate from all of them ; renew weekly.
danielpbarron: i oppress them in a non violent way: I pass on the right. I don't let people follow behind me, or to my side. when I pass, I get it over with. and I never try to look at the people in the cars, which i've been told by people who do that it causes them to become apoplectic
trinque: houston area has loads of toll roads, great filter that keeps you able to get anywhere you want quickly as long as you pay
trinque: I wouldn't mind if the whole thing worked that way
trinque: sanity would dictate the road belongs to someone; pay him
mircea_popescu: trinque buenos aires has cab-only lanes. pretty spiffy idea.
mircea_popescu: sort of carpooling done right / putting office drone where it belongs deal.
trinque: here they had the "HOV lane" but turned it into a pay lane
mircea_popescu: "oh you can't afford a cab ? lol." and then don't pay the drones enough to afford a cab.
trinque: can speed right down the middle of the highway
danielpbarron: speaking of pedestrian vs car. in this city the orcs spitefully and intentionally obstruct the road as some sort of bizzarro power signalling. Things like waiting until there is a car before crossing the road ; opening driver's side door without even looking, and then taking their time with it, digging around like its their closet and not a public street
mircea_popescu: why. because the ustards can't do anything right anymore. gotta do it speshul.
trinque: anyone ever seen "swangin"
trinque: orciest of orc road behaviors
trinque: you swerve across all lanes back and forth
trinque: in fact I saw one of these get pulled over immediately after. was pretty great
mircea_popescu: how come there's always gotta be a retard doing the join part bs.
shinohai: Too busy being Sancho with someone's wife to set up a znc
mircea_popescu: incidentally, re the above
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-21#1630555 : the us "trillion dollar gdp" suddenly looks a lot less impressive once one figures out a road costs something like a quarter billion a track mile. dude what, so you built 50k miles of road in 2015 ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-03-21 16:59 asciilifeform: by spending a few $B (yes) to build it.
trinque: asciilifeform: they're just.
phf: villagers, they simply don't know what's a hygiene
trinque: no there has to be a monthly allocation of both for exactly that.
phf: one of recurring themes in burroughs
trinque: no way; far too empowering of common idiots
trinque: as though the thing somehow comes from them
shinohai: danielpbarron: Why aren't women allowed at stonin's ?
phf: trinque: panem et circenses
danielpbarron: shinohai, is this the set up to a joke? I don't know that there is a gender restriction imposed in the Bible
danielpbarron: trinque, that's the point. if someone deserves to die, everyone should be on board with doing the deed.
ben_vulpes: rather hard to unwind a murderously-intent mob.
ben_vulpes: on one hand, i suppose the peasants may do whatever to each other. on the other, how dare you rob me of still-productive flesh?
danielpbarron: if your community turns to mob mentality so easily then you have bigger problems.
trinque: what this does is empowers every slackjaw peasant to use "we'll go apeshit" as leverage
trinque: didn't the mob condemn your guy?
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Framedragger: > download datasets from commoncrawl.org for $work
Framedragger: > content of relevant site full of unrelated html body / russian sites / wtf
Framedragger: (that said, could be some other reason. but lulzy)
Framedragger: maybe there are some good keywords to search for sensitive material
Framedragger: would make sense to download more archives from commoncrawl from before january or wherever and to then grep for sensitive keywords but can't be bothered right now. sorry for teh hype
Framedragger: doppler: there's your project right there :D ^
shinohai: lol Preeeeeeeeet to join NYU School of law
mircea_popescu: (but no, if you imagine teaching position is good in context, you're nuts.)
mircea_popescu: ~same as $random-athlete to move on to sportscaster position.
mircea_popescu: obummer came from random-activist's livingroom, went to where ex-presidents go.