tmsr - Search: iQ

mircea_popescu: this mirrors the above discussion re money exactly : in a certain context, idiocy can be just idiocy. but when you engage (and it does not matter how far above your paygrade the engaging is, or how coincidental -- the smoking gun dude could be retarded, iq <30, he'll hang just as well) the very hot core of the first mover in certain ways... suddely it's not no more.

asciilifeform: ye olde 'notation can cost 80 iq' item. the moment rms picked 'c machine' ecosystem, it after that did not matter one whit how capable/honest/etc were to be the participants. ( and, in practice, demonstrated -- the capable, honest folx, ran off to learn new professions , did not stick around to fiddle with pointerisms )

mircea_popescu: meanwhile at mini-usg, "LordMPofTMSR Think of it as an intelligence test. That you're failing." JessicaShadow 24F Switch "That of itself is hilarious, considering I know exactly how smart I am, and how high my IQ is.

a111: Logged on 2018-10-29 16:37 asciilifeform: 'notation is worth +80 iq' or how did it go.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: a proggy is an 'ideal object', almost anyffin, within obv limits of algo complexity is 'possible'. but in actual practice 'notation is worth 80+/-iq' and some notations make folx into effectively downs syndrome sufferers when the # of moving parts crosses certain threshold

a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 00:39 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the chick's something else. she loses like 40-50 iq points in writing. orally she's almost promising ; then she decides she's gonna write up an article, has a pretty decent idea for one, gets to work and what comes out is barely fit for jr high. i've never seen anything like this before.

a111: Logged on 2016-11-08 19:50 mircea_popescu: +30 iq points from #trilema

mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the chick's something else. she loses like 40-50 iq points in writing. orally she's almost promising ; then she decides she's gonna write up an article, has a pretty decent idea for one, gets to work and what comes out is barely fit for jr high. i've never seen anything like this before. ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2014-11-06 01:48 asciilifeform: there's also a school of thought where 'notation is worth 80 iq points' and roman numerals are deservingly gone from mathematics

a111: 5 results for "notation worth iq", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=notation%20worth%20iq

mircea_popescu: suppose there's a measure of human fitness, not quite IQ but anyway, just as insanely, a positive integer scalar. suppose there's a measure of human confusion, going from 0 (full pantrsuit, actually believes socialism is a thing, etc) to 1 (actual republican).

mircea_popescu: the iq this defined ~just abou sums~, meaning if a group of 101 peeps contains 100 ppl of iq 10 and one guy of -1k iq, the group net result will be 0.

mircea_popescu: ie, if resources are 10, result of 1000 means iq of 10 ; result of 10mn means iq of 1k. result of -1 means iq of -100 and result of -10 means iq of -1k

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform : if results are negative, iq is a negative exponential the result- resource disparity ; if results are positive, iq is a positive logarithmic of same disparity.

mircea_popescu: but yes, it is strictyly incorrect to measure IQ as a natural number. IQ is in R, and is defined as IQ = results ^ -1/(resources-results).

mircea_popescu: most people don't amount to much in this life ; but to manage to amount to ~ a negative value ~ it really fucking takes some negative IQ.

mircea_popescu: being retarded has, over being THIS fucking stupid, the serious advantage of 50 or so IQ points.

mircea_popescu: used to be that any stiff capable of walking could get a job. there are NO jobs now. nobody with an iq under 150 is or can be useful for anything ; except of course if female for the http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/#selection-53.0-71.1 purpose

mircea_popescu has seen these two, (a preoccupation with subjective mental acuity, "iq" and "energization" etc) and (complete inadherence to trivial problems, a la http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-21#930269 ) so often and repeatedly they really seem the same item. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: https://www.ocregister.com/2012/09/02/high-iq-society-mensa-uses-hands-on-game-to-show-wealth-disparities/ << in other lulz. turns out that in pantsuit socialism, the smart pioneers are a sub to the mass pioneer's organisation.

mircea_popescu: i know quite a few people whose iq is over 150. the internet is good at collecting similar things. sadly -- this does little for the intelligence of the race in general.

a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 03:56 mircea_popescu: if your iq is over 90, going to work for google is the morally and economically wrong thing to do.

mircea_popescu: if your iq is over 90, going to work for google is the morally and economically wrong thing to do. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: anyway, re the naggum quote above : a better statement would be to say that every problem comes with an iq functional which could be approximated as a (x-fiq)^3 + b(x-fiq) ; the a, b and fiq are parameters of the problem, the x is where the solver's iq goes. if his iq is lower than the fiq required by the problem, his "work" comes out negative.

a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 02:51 esthlos: excellent. also, I feel your pain. every day I write in C, I swear I lose an iq point

esthlos: excellent. also, I feel your pain. every day I write in C, I swear I lose an iq point ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 09:22 mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-21#1756156 << exactly as per http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752680 : being rich doesn't necessarioly promise much, mensa is fulla high iq losers and marinas/golf courses/boardrooms fulla high networth losers. HOWEVER! at the OTHER END... if you're poor you're dumb, no question. ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 17:45 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752690 << aha, quite. i dunno if we ever actually formally discussed the item, just vague "is iq a thing or not"

a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 14:56 asciilifeform: as 'iq tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't train for it or expect it ; and worx fine for sorting folx into the 4 basic buckets,

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-17#1752690 << aha, quite. i dunno if we ever actually formally discussed the item, just vague "is iq a thing or not" ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: as 'iq tests' were used 100yr ago, worked great . i.e. on ~small children~, who don't train for it or expect it ; and worx fine for sorting folx into the 4 basic buckets, ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2016-03-09 22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'iq' WORKS for identifying stupidity

a111: Logged on 2016-09-13 21:07 asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one; the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties; etc

mircea_popescu: this view neatly explains both why mensa is fulla failures and why there's not that many iq 69s writing papers about how meaningful iqs are.

mircea_popescu: at the dumb end of the spectrum, however.. o ya. iq 88 is very much ahead of iq 83, and painfully evidently so. under 100, maybe even 120 or so, it DOES put a very strict upper limit on what people can do. ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: this suddenly clarifies a lingering... not quite disagreement i wouldn't say, but something or the other with asciilifeform re iqs. i don't credit the concept at the upper bound -- saying this guy is smarter than this other guy because 138 > 133 is a very dumb way of approaching the matter ; or othersise stated, IQ > 100 is entirely meaningless.

mircea_popescu: come from the anti-IQ side! In other words, members of the anti-IQ camp simultaneously believe that on one hand, everybody is an equally valuable human, but on the other hand, those who deny this, even by a tenuous implication, are subhuman."

mircea_popescu: aand in other news, "What is the lowest IQ that allows some person to write a peer-reviewed paper that proves that IQ is meaningless? Another curious paradox that I noticed was how the anti-IQ camp fears that acknowledging the existence of IQ would result in some people being classified as "subhuman" and treated accordingly. However, every single time that I have actually seen somebody being called a "subhuman", this has

mircea_popescu: i can't think of one ; except for imports (see eg http://trilema.com/2010/care-sunt-iq-tau/#comment-123116 margot, read in ro in the french manner).

asciilifeform: mats: as it is, the ~marketable half of the iq bell curve, already resigned and went into 'contracts'

mircea_popescu: (play is VERY different from content consumption, the latter is a bovine activity well suited to philosophers and girls of room temp iq while the former is the principal activity of the kitten.)

mircea_popescu: was ambiguous, the us style "right" is making ~same claims. i guess the problem is mostly that by now esltards kinda meld into the same subnormal iq cloud in my head.

mircea_popescu: this is the pantsuit worldview, and it is in fact deeply adequate for the needs and mental capacities of http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/ females, ie literal idiots (iq of 60) whose only function is biological.

asciilifeform: trinque: yer comparing unlikes. d00d with same phone # for 50 yrs != shouting to crowd containing entire iq bellcurve and going for max % who remember when they get home

kanzure: the difference between a monkey and a human is interesting. the difference between human and human, as measured by iq, is totally irrelevant to me. humans are idiots if you compare them only to each other.

asciilifeform: and inquisitors apparently have iq of a broken dish and always give up at first chance, also...

asciilifeform: upstack -- pb is a cumulative poison. the tetraethyl pb in petrol was , quite possibly , a collective 'few points iq' drop for all of europe.

BingoBoingo: user705: It's an iq test/spam filter element. If email address is an email address comment not marked spam on that point. Is email address used for anything else? no

mircea_popescu: nah. central america, retarded as planks. polynesia, dumber than the average horse. coast of africa off zanzibar ? i think i saw cupcakers with more iq.

mircea_popescu: i suspect it should go in the "normal development handbook", 4-5 yo with no interest in mother kitchen activities is prolly under 80 iq.

Framedragger: i poelaw'd on that link. " Sadly, there is a direct correlation between high IQ and “earning” a PhD in a STEM discipline, which is all too reflective of how white cishet men have designed disciplinary concepts to reinforce their own power structures." (some comment. troll? dunno)

mircea_popescu: if the academia scam weren't there to extract the ones with iq > room temp from "street lyfe", we'd be stuck fishing this end of the lulz pond rather than campuses.

a111: 230 results for "iQ", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=iQ

asciilifeform: iron, turns out, is not such a handy 'iq test', plenty of folx passed the iron exam and failed everything else.

a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 18:50 asciilifeform: aha, in the 'black schools' there is neverending fight, like in a prison, and even bouncers to pry apart especially eager folk. and everyone with 'room temperature iq' however you measure it, also

asciilifeform: aha, in the 'black schools' there is neverending fight, like in a prison, and even bouncers to pry apart especially eager folk. and everyone with 'room temperature iq' however you measure it, also ☟︎

mircea_popescu: morelike with the logic that they by and large couldn't hire people above 98 iq even with the bonuses.

asciilifeform: aha. and so it looks like this is a replay of the iq thread - it is quite impossible to specify 'smart', but trivial to specify stupid; impossible - good fuck, easy to describe a useless one; the list of horrible food is easy to make (start with, say, asphalt) but not so of tasties; etc ☟︎

mircea_popescu: i can say "the population of argentina has a total sum IQ of 170 over ~40mn people" ; this may be so or not, whatever ; interpreted by the reader. you can ask "o yeah, if you can build things then how would you go about building folded hypercube ?". to which i won't answer. for the reason. are they both caricatures ? maybe so. does that do anything ?

mircea_popescu: that's the other problem there. motivation of random retard - from fear, firecracker, from interest, nuke. when you go above 95 on the iq scale, what the everloving fuck are you going to put in your firecracker even.

mircea_popescu: myeah. this blog thing seems to me very strictly a problem of "tools are 30 iq points".

asciilifeform: goes off, as ~everyone probably knows by now, on its own, when it feels like it, but this is a minor detail to room temperature iq 'l33337 jihad d00dz'

mircea_popescu: recursion is prolly the core of the pons ; tbh much more than "iq <100" vs "iq > 100" traditionally translated as "college man" vs "common man" or w/e ; "comprehends recursion" is much better a divide.

mircea_popescu: i'm not saying that we are, but WHY NOT must be stated, and in such a way 107 iq guy in 2049 reading this understands exactly wtf.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, it's not. tens of thousands of sub-parity IQ dudes do this on a regular basis.

a111: Logged on 2016-06-03 22:07 pete_dushenski: Bitcoin but just like the goldbugs and the silver hoarders he rarely looks very hard at the way that real people use money in the real world. The average sub-130 IQ person looks at Bitcoin as a technology indistinguishable from magic, assuming that it’s that kind of magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money. Believe me when I tell you that we will all go back to biting c

pete_dushenski: Bitcoin but just like the goldbugs and the silver hoarders he rarely looks very hard at the way that real people use money in the real world. The average sub-130 IQ person looks at Bitcoin as a technology indistinguishable from magic, assuming that it’s that kind of magic where people periodically compromise the blockchain and steal money. Believe me when I tell you that we will all go back to biting c ☟︎

diana_coman: <mircea_popescu> i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is. <- uhm, correlation ate causation much?

mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea how progress, improvement and liberation resulted in a palpable drop of 25-30 iq points across the entire population, but there it is.

mircea_popescu: (yes - that's the point of sending kids to school. to get them from where their average capital productivity is < 0% to where they get at least even with average. which should be within reach for an iq 100 fellow ; which is the only meaningful definition of iq available in the first place.)

asciilifeform: incidentally where in bmore do you get folks for your gang with >bathwater iq ?

asciilifeform: this was the basic objective, obvious to anyone with iq above bathwater temperature

asciilifeform: 'The benefits he has derived from his collegiate experience have been strictly formal, and of no further substance.' << i thought mircea_popescu knew that the usaschwitz 'college racket' has ~0 to do with education, but rather is the only usg-permitted iq test (roughly what grade school was once used for)

mircea_popescu: ALSO for the job of rescuing children, "social media", or rather, the social media facade of b-a works better than iq.

mircea_popescu: anyway, while we differ on what we color iq-ism in, or what you eventually expect it to do, i don't think there's actual disagreement as to what it does.

mircea_popescu: heck, the iq nonsense EVEN EXISTS because people get antsy and prefer to pretend.