a111: Logged on 2017-08-31 21:29 gabriel_laddel_p: now, I am 100% with ascii that floats have to die. no question. I, however, am severely undereducated & don't know what to replace them with.
mircea_popescu: it's not even a positive matter. machine can only have ints until we build a radically diff machine
mircea_popescu: nah, analogues went away for the new jersey reason. too slow.
mircea_popescu: i read once on a blogpost by legere-x (the world's first drop-out with a certificate) that you can divide things whenever you need to.
mircea_popescu: I MUST BE INDEMNIFIED FOR MY DETRIMENTAL RELIANCE ON THIS!
mircea_popescu: tell some rando dunning-kugerand that he's intellectually unqualified to do what he thinks he's doing, he'll count himself insulted.
mircea_popescu: the part where he ACTUALLY isn't so qualified not a problem.
mircea_popescu: can't build fucking "intellectual leadership" out of lazy rewrites out of the slime that comes out of tardstalk/reddit when squeezed.
mircea_popescu: kanzure that he's not qualified to do things with his head, look for a plumber job.
kanzure: can you make a more specific complaint
kanzure: all answers must be submitted in the form of questions, thanks.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 05:59 mircea_popescu: kanzure
http://ledgerx.com/is-btc-real << this is uniquely stupid. for one thing, the "conceptualization" of bitcoin as a "real number" is below sophomoric. there is no such thing as a "btc", properly speaking ; it's satoshis all the way down, and they are integers.
kanzure: you think i have not implemented sats?
mircea_popescu: but some random weasel who couldn't, on his own salt, as much as turn on the machine.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and who somehow expects nevertheless he;s better than the 80bux a trick costa rican whores./
kanzure: i've never asked as much; is that important?
mircea_popescu doesn't have it in for mediocre engineers as he has it for the medicore management.
kanzure: let me know when you're done admiring mediocrity
mircea_popescu: partly because there is no such thing as mediocre management.
shinohai: I like hoe kanzure rhymes with `Cancer` .... If trinque agrees it will make my week.
trinque: eh, kinda curious if the forum can digest the glib outer layer, see what's underneath.
trinque: there's some bandwagon I'm not on.
shinohai: Absolutely nothing ..... carry on
a111: Logged on 2017-08-22 17:47 r0nin-: Rome is on the map becuase of caraceni
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: because why the fuck is the KKKalifornian orchard of Fago-Tree dumping all of it's refuse here all of a sudden and shitting up the logs.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 00:48 mircea_popescu: but some random weasel who couldn't, on his own salt, as much as turn on the machine.
mircea_popescu: he could believe orcas fly through the (1900s version of) ethereum at the behest of a burning goat's skull ; for as long as this strange array of notions doesn't get in the way of his daily life it's called subclinical.
kanzure: nah i strictly hold myself in higher regard than mircea_popescu no worries there.
mircea_popescu: kinda the signature of that particular churchlet, they have a list of beliefs that are mostly chosen for being dull.
mircea_popescu: as in, no points of edges, nothing where they may end up caught by.
mircea_popescu: the two aren't even that distinguishable. as per discussion re progressivism of fundamental xtians etc.
mircea_popescu: as phf points out, a noisy engine that still runs nevertheless is still running.
mircea_popescu: in the exact same vein : prostate cancer is common in older men, and also very little concern. it is so slow that the odds of anyone dying from it are negligible.
mircea_popescu: some doctors are hypocratic enough to point this out to the patients ; others want the insurance coupons. but anyway.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the deahtspital would be a very useful addition to the clinical system. open for ppl over 60, they give you a list of things. "hello mr smith. you're 68, and we can tell you that your kidneys will kill you in a decade, except your heart will get you before you're 75, and then there's this patch of skin cancer that needs like 20 years at your age. stay out of car crashes and sudden falls."
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with the us srsly now. who the fuck even cares other than the patient.
mircea_popescu: "we aim to build a government out of trying to withhold all information from all those it is of any interest. WONT WE BE IMPORTANT THEN!"
mircea_popescu: notreally. in fact, for meathead subclinical neurosis is a disease of least concern.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only in a view where matters of strategy are open to engineers. this is eminently not how the fiat farms are run.
mircea_popescu: i dunno you need finely tuned, functional antennas to copy/paste github into "your" project.
mircea_popescu: that and kubinetes. ask teh people who actually live in the west.
mircea_popescu: i hope people of the future will come to the conclusion al-warmist was a sort of you know, al-gore from which algorithm was derived ; or al-kenny.
mircea_popescu: this, btw, is just about how archeology/history works. "southpark was an irish village in the 2nd millenium period."
mircea_popescu: the realisation that wikipedia makes one stupid isn't all that common.
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it's just a standard in whatever python bot. iirc we even had it in bitcoin-otc
mircea_popescu: they're very inept, in any practical sense, can't actually DO anything, as much as a de-pdf-er or whatever. logs can't live on www because among all the transhumans there isn't a single one who CAN do this.
mircea_popescu: all of them think they COULD, of course, but these are very different items.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything.
kanzure: on a totally unrelated note i promise, what exactly is your progress towards nuking california
kanzure: seems to be one of your goals
kanzure: perhaps if you tried harder
kanzure: wasn't it your opinion that such tasks should not be left to children? you guys are so full of shit.
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mircea_popescu: kanzure dja understand why native african can't respond to 1860s brit wondering how the fuck they failed to colonize madagascar with "oh yeah ? where's your airplanes then! you seem to want airplanes!"
mircea_popescu: you know as well as i do that the reason your log lives on .log files is because all of you lot think you could, but none of you lot actually can make a sane log. that's what the random package a low effort search returned does, and that is what you get. same is true of all other items, either you found it at the walmart in the "diy" section or you don't have it.
kanzure: yuep that's what we spent $27 million on. browsing walmart. k
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is a fundamental problem, and a major irritant to asciilifeform ; he is allergic to "i'm not a hooker, i'm a priss dressed provocatively trying to crowd out the real hookers"
kanzure: we didn't. it's all false. totally no results though.
kanzure: your expertise truly saw everything, as expected for such an illustrious maggot
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 01:39 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: because why the fuck is the KKKalifornian orchard of Fago-Tree dumping all of it's refuse here all of a sudden and shitting up the logs.
mircea_popescu: i saw what i saw. you're more than welcome to fill in the gaps, what'd i miss ?
mircea_popescu: the other guy spending a grand total of $1400 has a lengthy report about it, somehow i missed the corresponding link in this 27mn venture.
mircea_popescu: kanzure dja have any idea how dumb you look going in with an attempt to impress by EXPENDITURE, and then on the flimsiest of examination appearing unable to explain WHAT you bought ? tell you what, the usg you seem so keen to emulate spent a trillion and similary "wait for plane catalog day". or alternatively, has some littoral cardboard models that can't float.
kanzure: how did we get to this re: nuking california?
mircea_popescu: the correct approach is, "see this great car ? and i only paid 50 bux for it". certainly not "oh, i spend 5 mn on cars and uhm, disregard the donkey"
kanzure: would you have laughed more if i had said $270 million?
mircea_popescu: this makes me wanna compute how much i paid for tits in current fiats.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 02:02 mircea_popescu: eh, why not. "it's more affordable"
mircea_popescu: you don't need to run a node or do anything to be an ethertard. posting on wikireddit suffices.
BingoBoingo forgets how many terabytes etherspam chain was up to a couple months ago
BingoBoingo supposes it is near the time biting becomes fashionable again
mircea_popescu doubts the google ai can actually find costa rica. reals you see, errors compound, place is small.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is that what hpluschannel is talking about?
mircea_popescu: really, "mp in danger of being extradited" already ? truly burning the years, these folks, since extracting head out of ass and self from under rock managed to get all the way to like 2013 ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Was reading. Stopped because WTF. crispr patching, BEFORE maxing out self stats with off the shelf chems
BingoBoingo: Anyways, since DIYbio became a fad on Monday: How many inches did everyone here add to their dicks?
mircea_popescu: yeah totally, my dick is now best approximated by a high cocktose corn stalk, 8 meters long an' there's twelve different ears the hos can fuck themselves silly with on its generous girthy length
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> yeah totally, my dick is now best approximated by a high cocktose corn stalk, 8 meters long an' there's twelve different ears the hos can fuck themselves silly with on its generous girthy length << If we made a mold and cast this in sillycone, this might sell
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 03:06 kanzure: dunno. wait for catalog day.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I've already got leaves falling in my yard (sycamore tree so early)
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4749.91, vol: 9552.63956983 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4741.1, vol: 18988.22711177 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4756.68, vol: 4264.21363502 | Volume-weighted last average: 4745.69060614
deedbot: AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: AlfredAlfer: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
deedbot: AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
AlfredAlfer: fwaa it's the free speech twitter. You can say whatever you want and they won't ban you.
☟︎ danielpbarron: ya but i mostly use twitter to troll the people who would never use a gab
AlfredAlfer: twitter was fun while it lasted but gab weeds out the bullshit
AlfredAlfer: you can't even really troll anyone without getting banned
BingoBoingo: Eh, the best fat jokes are the fats themselves. Hamplanets thinking they are people. Oink Oink motherfuckers
BingoBoingo: Here's another fat joke: acanthosis nigricans
danielpbarron: AlfredAlfer, if you were to host your own blog, your banworthy stuff can get posted by other people who read it, and on whichever social media is fashionable at the time
AlfredAlfer: well they still could shut down my blog. They're making big leap now. It all started with Anglin's fat joke
AlfredAlfer: The end of net neutrality is here and they're doing it all under the guise of 'stopping white supremacy'
AlfredAlfer: they're sneaking it up under us because of Anglin's fat joke
danielpbarron: if they could shut sites down, there wouldn't be a trilema
BingoBoingo: Eh, they are going to fail BECAUSE of white supremacy
AlfredAlfer: You don't know how they're forcing the DS to literally be wiped off the face of the internet? They've gone to several domains, all have been shut down. Even tor is blocking their traffec
AlfredAlfer: they should be doing these kinds of measures to pedophiles
danielpbarron: if you mean the blog that is. this channel is just a freenode channel. but we could make our own irc server if they ever bothered to knock this one off
trinque: ohey, little bit of racis to balance out the calitard today?
BingoBoingo: AlfredAlfer: Register a key. I'll rate you so you can get on our better internet. Thank you for not being another KKKalifornian
danielpbarron: ahh ty trinque ! i had the hardest time finding that line
deedbot: AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: while I'm fishing out links
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 04:24 AlfredAlfer: has trilema reached their radar?
trinque: that's actually a bot reciting a link to the logs
danielpbarron: AlfredAlfer, it's kinda like a bitcoin address in that it has a private/public key, and we use it to send secret messages and identify ourselves
AlfredAlfer: Cool so they can't take it down no matter what? It can be the new free internet?
AlfredAlfer: Yes, we need to forge a new Wild Wild West of internet. The old one is used and bugged and fucked worse than an old whore.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 04:11 AlfredAlfer: fwaa it's the free speech twitter. You can say whatever you want and they won't ban you.
trinque: there's a very long, ongoing thread on its specific design, but it builds upon the RSA cryptography asciilifeform mentioned.
AlfredAlfer: so no matter what, people can gather and message there? Is it encrypted enough that google and shit can't read it? Or is it all public?
trinque: it is designed to not be a specific "there" at all, to any particular, singular public. information is routed along your trusted relationships, and is as good as your connections. like life.
trinque: easier to understand if one first understands the web of trust
trinque: ^ obviously this is mircea_popescu's blog, not mine.
trinque: pulling from the other end, ds et al are using the technology a bunch of califag pantsuits made, and expecting it to work for other than pantsuit.
AlfredAlfer: Ah I see it's like a very direct transfer.. like a hall of mirrors
AlfredAlfer: yes I must let them know there are other ways
AlfredAlfer: so they can try and try to cut them off, cut transfers, block traffic, but it's impossible
deedbot: AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque: looks like eulora dox are pretty good on the subj
trinque: AlfredAlfer: there is a voice mechanism here run by my trusty deedbot.
trinque: yep, you saw folks using !!up to grant you voice
trinque: if you are registered and rated, you'll be able to self-voice
AlfredAlfer: hahahah, that's the most complicated account setup I've ever seen ; )
AlfredAlfer: Will be well worth it once the big crackdown really happens
trinque: takes some diligence to have a name that's yours, rather than one some twatter can steal.
AlfredAlfer: It will probably take me a day to fully absorb it
AlfredAlfer: I have a bitcoin guy I talk to often who will help me understand it.
AlfredAlfer: still, *they* will be able to incriminate us for anything we've ever said one day
AlfredAlfer: say you're completely anonymous, don't use your real name, like I assume all you guys do.. is it easy for them to tie what you've said onto your actual person?
☟︎ trinque: ^ mircea_popescu wrote this. I and most (all?) others here worth a damn signed in blood.
trinque: specifically, signed with our cryptographic keys.
AlfredAlfer: Hello, it is very nice to meet you +mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: anyway, as to the direct concern -- it is actually impossible to take down sites, as far as the empire of stupid is concerned.
mircea_popescu: they have nfi what they're doing, and so no, it doesn't take much to take them offline.
mircea_popescu: now, on to more interesting matters, are you going to do a crazy republican cartoon series ?
AlfredAlfer: are you saying if I can relay him some tips he'd have an easier time keeping it up?
AlfredAlfer: Well I'm working on a new toon now, a commission actually
mircea_popescu: where do you publish shit, outside of the walled gardens i mean ?
AlfredAlfer: I've been traveling the globe ever since I got uprooted and haven't done a solid animation since the Ascent of Alfred
AlfredAlfer: Usually youtube, the basic shit. Though I just got a bitchute today since my yt is going to be removed shortly
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer well not getting shitty vps'en on obscure shithosts would help ; also not getting them one at a time ; and also not using fucking domain names. behold :
http://91.218.246.33/ cazalla: AlfredAlfer, finally in the right place eh?
mircea_popescu: the fact that works and his shit didn't already is an indication of incompetence.
AlfredAlfer: Weev works tirelessly, but I suppose he has no idea about the tricks available.
AlfredAlfer: If it's a numerical domain like the one you posted, can the masses still find it, though?
AlfredAlfer: yea if it got around like that. A big part of the site's' success is just random passerbyers happing upon it though
mircea_popescu: the masses ALSO can find it by editing /etc/hosts and putting whatever number they want.
AlfredAlfer: I guess the numerical way is easier to access than having everyone download the onion tho
mircea_popescu: like in the case yest, all they needed was local resolution and it'd have worked (which is how i got the paste of his page even when people "Couldn't reach it")
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer absolutely lol. seeing how it's how the internet works in the first place.
mircea_popescu: the whole dns bullshit is just "convenience" built on top of the system, which then conveniently allows the pantsuits to play tricks like these, and idiots to believe in pantsuit power.
mircea_popescu: (all links in channel are also auto-archived, if the pastes expire)
AlfredAlfer: yes, he needs to use a whole new set of rules
AlfredAlfer: and the 'deleting' of the websites is just smoke and mirrors, huh?
AlfredAlfer: How many people realistically know about this system right now?
AlfredAlfer: It's gotta be an extremely small percentage of the population, no?
trinque: this isn't even the gossipd thing I brought up. it's what your computer already does.
AlfredAlfer: I guess you're then planning to make the system as common as a fridge, correct?
trinque: tits.xxx -> dear mother government, where are the tits? -> 6.6.6.6
mircea_popescu: it already is as common. all computers work this way, and always have.
AlfredAlfer: ahh. So *they* are just using one outdated dinosaur form of what could be and telling us that's all there is?
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally i like this one a lot better than the other one.
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer how much does your comissioned cartoon pay btw ?
AlfredAlfer: Yea you just gotta snazz it up a bit, add some clickbait and emoticons ; )
AlfredAlfer: I secured the commission back when btc was at around 1200
AlfredAlfer: And since he's paying me in btc only, well, I'm getting a hell of a lot more than originally bargained
deedbot: AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
AlfredAlfer: Well standard animator's rates is a grand per minute of framebyframe 24 fps animation
AlfredAlfer: It's not even that standard... that's kind of a lowball, but that's what I use
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 1000 / 24 / 60 = 0.6944444444444444
AlfredAlfer: These guys getting hired by google and other shit can charge way more for crap animations lol
AlfredAlfer: oh wow when you put it like that that kinda sucks hahaha
AlfredAlfer: well since I secured this one when btc was about a 4th what it is now, I'm getting a bit more than 70 cents per frame
mircea_popescu: 2 bitcents is like 90 dollars or what is it now, for a frame.
AlfredAlfer: wow fancy that. A frame I don't even have to draw.
AlfredAlfer: Sounds like a bargain. You get any takers yet?
mircea_popescu: sure. you can even follow the log links to where they happened.
AlfredAlfer: seem like the bargain bin runna the mill sluts
mircea_popescu: why so negative, there's liek so's of the lordship beaming there, not to mention various other well respected ladies.
AlfredAlfer: my uncensored tits shall not grace this internet so long as I shall live
AlfredAlfer: Nothing personal.. If I post one tit image it will haunt me forever. There are many who are trying to obtain it
cazalla: AlfredAlfer, i thought kinky cooking was your thing?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-16 23:00 asciilifeform: asciilifeform notices that his desk has an uncanny resemblance to the one in 'ascension of alfred'
cazalla: AlfredAlfer, not so much research, listened to TRS for a bit for the lulz so you obviously come up, personally i'd love to see you take up the offer and break sven's heart
cazalla: bit tips for nips as linked earlier
AlfredAlfer: Oh yes, they wanted to have me as a regular on the Shoah but I was displaced at the moment and couldn't commit
AlfredAlfer: ohoh. It will have to be more than 90 usd I'll tell you that
AlfredAlfer: Well they say I have the best rack in the Alt Right
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer btw, did you know it's in the constitution of the czech republic, all girls under 30 must topless on request ?
mircea_popescu: careful lest da police gets wind of this log, they could throw you in jale!
mircea_popescu: remember, this is the most serene republic, eater of worlds.
mircea_popescu: it's been an ongoing thing since bitcoin. keeps evolving though.
AlfredAlfer: mmm. Yes, with the combo of information and currency out of their hands, we will be unstoppable :D
AlfredAlfer: But what if they destroy every physical computer in the world
mircea_popescu: they can't make a boat. let's not get ahead of ourselves.
trinque: or dreaming of SOLAR SHIELDS or w/e wank
AlfredAlfer: they'll physically block the sun to stop our internet, cover the earth in a reverse dyson sphere
AlfredAlfer: and went out to interview the Antifa, just have a lil discussion
AlfredAlfer: They ended up sending my cameraman to the hospital
AlfredAlfer: The National Policy Institute. It's the whole richard spencer thing. Tila Tequila was there. Not the greatest optics but it was fun.
AlfredAlfer: oh yea that's one of my favorite articles LOL
mircea_popescu: tila tequila ? was this the mexican britney spears or somesuch ?
trinque: antifa tried to fart around near our sam houston statue recently, bunch of folks showed up with assault rifles and they went off to shitpost elsewhere.
AlfredAlfer: no it's the asian nazi mk ultra victim chick
mircea_popescu: you'll have to excuse me, i have all the social media hip edge of a 90yo.
AlfredAlfer: no worries it seems you're occupying your brain with much more important things
AlfredAlfer: oh yes, you can shoot people in texas for defacing a statue, right? Good ol' texas.
trinque: then we threw a hurricane to wash ourselves of their stench
mircea_popescu: trinque you'll appreciate this : costa rica is a stronghold state.
trinque: "stand your ground" ? yeah
AlfredAlfer: well atleast the hurricane did one good thing
mircea_popescu: but basically, breaking and entering ~= your life's forfeit.
trinque: can't see the sanity in anything else
cazalla: AlfredAlfer, no-one shoots anyone, they're all a bunch of Cantwells in that they come armed to the gills but never a single shot is fired, just larping at best
AlfredAlfer: But I wouldn't consider it larping. Helmets and shields are necessary when you're getting acid thrown in your eyes.
trinque: was I larping when I sent some dindus away from my door couple months ago?
trinque: had they stepped in, yes, would've shot
AlfredAlfer: Wait a minute.. in MY universe Costa Rica was an island
mircea_popescu: trinque he's just bitter cuz he didn't get to shoot anyone.
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer sorry, it's a little bit of central america.
mircea_popescu: yes. fulla jungle. and in fact where the spanyards first landed.
cazalla: trinque, sure, but i'm talking about the Cantwell types who go to a march, stand there while they get shit, piss and acid thrown on them but don't even fire upon them, why bother even showing up then? just to larp
AlfredAlfer: why would you fire upon someone and ruin your life forever
AlfredAlfer: People should be able to stand places without getting piss and shit thrown on them
trinque: well... aren't you playing "down with usg except for the bill of rights; really we just mean usg but we want christmas back"
trinque: I cringe every time I hear the altright try to use "freedome of speech" and so on
AlfredAlfer: I'll take the big spider over the shitmoth
trinque: cazalla: can't argue with it; same exact notion re: raising awareness, for sure.
deedbot: AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
AlfredAlfer: you're lucky you have so many tropical friends
AlfredAlfer: OOh my clockwork orange torrent has finished downloading
AlfredAlfer: hmm it's playing for me, others have listened
AlfredAlfer: what do you think of bitchute? Is it impenetrable?
mircea_popescu: well, i think it sucks, because i can't play their content.
AlfredAlfer: you can't get to any vid or just this one?
mircea_popescu: because it's a layered shitcake of bs formats and crap. what was the original item, an ogg ? mp3 ? what ?
AlfredAlfer: But is it impenetrable nonetheless? It's decentralized
AlfredAlfer: well , I still have much to learn with all these definitions
trinque: looks like they bolted it to bittorrent some way
AlfredAlfer: The only thing I've seen before that I thought would be an alternate internet was maidsafe, but it doesn't seem to be making any moves
mircea_popescu: and by the looks of it, it's made by trhe same spammers from advance publications that onw all the rest of the pointless "segmented" spamsites. from vice to women-shoes-in-michigan.com
cazalla: i'm off, parental stuff.. AlfredAlfer, i'd encourage you to spend more time here and/or reading logs, you will find actual solutions here, altright is lulzfest but even that has died down now due to taking themselves super 1488 seriously
mircea_popescu: "terms". here's a pro tip AlfredAlfer : if a website has "terms" it's shit.
danielpbarron: i met one of the maidsafe "coders" , told her about this place, never joined
mircea_popescu: trinque check their lulz dns announcement btw. round robin of same ips.
AlfredAlfer: yes, I look forward to learning all about this
mircea_popescu: anyway. no, i don't expect it's "impenetrable" in any sense.
trinque: for the same milage you could stick a torrent on your own site and seed, if you want people to help you with bandwidth
AlfredAlfer: Am I poor? Well that's all relative, haha.
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer the correct solution here is to pay 1-200 per month for a dedicated server in a sane jurisdiction (ie, outside of nato). make sure you get a chunk of ips with it, then host all your shit.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: unless you're poor, this is the minimum bar of what you do. you pay rent for a house irl, and a smaller rent for a house on the net.
AlfredAlfer: you're saying you can buy your own individual server outside of nato?
mircea_popescu: and once you have that, and especially if you're present here, you are indeed impenetrable, because people will help.
AlfredAlfer: how do they not know this. I mean I'm technologically incompetent but weev should know that
mircea_popescu: such as with archival/disemination/elasticization and other such topics.
AlfredAlfer: when you say help do you mean with security?
mircea_popescu: many people don't know many things that they should know. it's kinda what nato even means by now, "you have this but not that ?!?!"
AlfredAlfer: yea I guess most of it's hidden in plain site
AlfredAlfer: well I know for a fact the stormer gets way more than that much money per month
trinque: in usd, I'm sure. and they want to go spend that at the mall.
AlfredAlfer: I thought *they* could access anything they pleased.. find their way into any server.. but indeed, there are ones they cannot access
mircea_popescu: this happens automatically, because we said so at some point. similar measures can be taken to further expand defenses indefinitely.
AlfredAlfer: but isn't the archive also located on the same server?
mircea_popescu: and there's also private archives and all sorts of things.
AlfredAlfer: where is it? somewhere else they can access tho, right?
AlfredAlfer: mmm. I bet the pantsuits are stuck in 3 cyberspace dimensions, meanwhile you guys are on like 6
AlfredAlfer: I shall. It's pretty late over here, but I have all of the articles and info you guys sent me open in tabs that will open up as soon as I wake up tomorrow.
AlfredAlfer: I need a fresh brain and a helping hand to do these keys
AlfredAlfer: Oh - I can, I can read anything. I'm very good at vocal expressions.
AlfredAlfer: Could you give me instructions on how the DS can get an impenetrable domain, through your services or others, that I can relay to weev?
mircea_popescu: well he could just come here and im sure we'll set him up.
mircea_popescu: iirc danielpbarron was trying to arrange something in that vein a few days ago but he never showed.
AlfredAlfer: Okay, I'll tell him. Oh yes, Dan was the one that got me here. Well I talk to weev regularly so I should be able to coax him
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer it's not like it's hard or something. have him drop by, it'll get sorted out.
mircea_popescu: provided he doesn't go "fuck! why didn't i think of that!" when you show him the convo.
AlfredAlfer: HAhahha. I did screenshot some of the solutions you wrote, if you didn't mind.
AlfredAlfer: Oh okay. This whole chat is stored forever in the vaults?
deedbot: AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron consider how close you came to seeing her topless, too!
AlfredAlfer: unless you seriously up the antee on that .08 btc ; )
AlfredAlfer: but no i'm just kidding. I wouldn't do it anyway.
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer why not ? what, it's shameful to have tits or something ?
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer it's 0.02. two bitcents. see ? so you can say "here's my two... bitcents".
AlfredAlfer: Lol i told you that would be a bomb the internet would not soon forget.
mircea_popescu: and all those dumb bimbos with the what was it called, when smartphones got published ?
AlfredAlfer: Well I'm excited to hear your stormer solutions. The boys will be quite pleased.
AlfredAlfer: Can you give me a quote to really coax him over here?
AlfredAlfer: No worries I'll just link to the suggestions you already wrote out
AlfredAlfer: sry I'm pretty much good at after effects and flash and have no clue about anything else
mircea_popescu: if you say trilema.com/ that's the root. if you say trilema.com/blabla/bla-bla/ that's two down from root.
AlfredAlfer: even if they started targeting you tomorrow and made a dedicated quest
mircea_popescu: but... it's been around for years. it broke the cables story. it broke the fetlife lists. it...
AlfredAlfer: Ohhh hh i'm sure you could fill my head for weeks and I wouldn't know a fraction
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 22:22 mircea_popescu just counted, trilema (articles only) stands at 10`631`726 words. this excludes my comments there and of course whatever my share of the log's 2mn lines (ie about what, a further 20-30mn words ?) is.
mod6: Reading the whole log is educational, indeed.
AlfredAlfer: the pantsuits only think they control the tip of the iceberg
mircea_popescu: well, every girl in nowhere, indiana tells herself "she's got a handle on things".
mircea_popescu: "i'm the 2nd prettiest girl in school... well in my class... well, according to my friends at least. AND THIS MATTERS AND MEANS SOMETHING!"
AlfredAlfer: then they go to college and realize they're just another plane jane in a sea of 8's
mircea_popescu: from what i hear they've gotten pretty pudgy in college these days.
AlfredAlfer: I guess in that case trilema would be about a 17 on the 10 scale
mircea_popescu: used to be fuckfest of all time, but by now it's kinda more like... too much work to roll over.
AlfredAlfer: you're so out of their league they can't even fathom you
AlfredAlfer: basically college is camp to make girls ugly and fat
AlfredAlfer: it's the food poison... go to s korea where there is no food poison, where the girls are dainty and light and sweet and young
AlfredAlfer: yea that's what a degree will get you these days
AlfredAlfer: oh yea i'm sure you got your fair share of thi ccccc latinas
mircea_popescu: well yes because they eat crap. but you don't have to.
AlfredAlfer: *pistachios, tho. They only downgraded to peanuts when the phillies really started suckin'
AlfredAlfer: thi cccc latinas are nice tho, i'm not complaining
mircea_popescu: well, other than being kinda short, there's plenty of form.
AlfredAlfer: you know I ran off to S Korea after getting doxed
AlfredAlfer: during when Kim was really threatening to nuke Seoul
mircea_popescu: see, if you had your own space on the web you could show me the articles now.
AlfredAlfer: clean, no bums, respectable people.. and the girls took pride in their appearance
AlfredAlfer: growing up around slovenly sows in america, it's quite jarring to be amongst Korean women
AlfredAlfer: food is amazing, and everywhere though. I don't know how they stay so slim.
mircea_popescu: im not so crazy abouyt azn food. other than sushi. and some indian.
AlfredAlfer: Seoul isn't just asian tho.. it's like everything. They've mastered the food. They do fine fried chicken. Better than the blacks.
mircea_popescu: and i suppose im full of it, i like azn food just fine. well, minus the stupid shit where they add sugar.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 04:14 AlfredAlfer: for me what did me in was a fat joke
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i give it even odds that the "artificial intelligence" thing saw the red crumpled car and the person and decided that is gore.
AlfredAlfer: I think they now have a censor for really mean fat chicks
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer do you understant how pantsuit "AI" works ?
AlfredAlfer: like their fake AI robots that they pretend are all super-intelligent?
mircea_popescu: so, if i show you two items, an apple and an orange, and i tell you they're all "Fruit" and ask you why, you might say "because they're all round". this is not correct.
mircea_popescu: but the google "ai" works exactly in this manner : show a large matrix a bunch of different pics, and then see what got fished up, so to speak.
AlfredAlfer: so it would see heather heyer and think she was a fruit
a111: Logged on 2016-01-26 17:20 ascii_butugychag: (there was a spiffy talk at shmoo, which mentioned how nn used in image recognition usually imprints on what - to a human - would be an entirely accidental cluster of pixels, and if you flip'em, it will recognize an obvious, e.g,. cat, as a refrigerator, etc)
mircea_popescu: this actually happens, you flip the pixels it "learned" and it sees the fridge and says cat.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: because it didn't actually learn anything. it's exact equivalent of exam stuffing, implemented by computers.
mircea_popescu: they don't learn, they just parrot. and it only works if people are banal.
AlfredAlfer: oh no, it's in spanish.. why did the rabbit die
AlfredAlfer: well that's what the pansuits are depending on huh
AlfredAlfer: oh, the link you linked to, the first link in the chat
AlfredAlfer: forgive me it's late and i've had a couple tequilas heh
AlfredAlfer: well I don't want you to think I'm that dumb haha
AlfredAlfer: my forte is in animation.. all else not so much
mircea_popescu: you know, the reddit guiys would never guess, but actually a lot of girls do ?
AlfredAlfer: women have an internal drive to be humiliated
AlfredAlfer: anyway, I'm not one of those sickos or anything, I'm not into weird shit
mircea_popescu: lol. you can always tell a girl that grew up in the 50 continental sads, because very shame driven.
deedbot: AlfredAlfer voiced for 30 minutes.
AlfredAlfer: I know. Poisonous thots as far as the eye can see.
mircea_popescu: i should have said "The 50 contiguous sads", but anyway.
AlfredAlfer: I thought perhaps it related to the AI conversation in that someone programmed a bot to kill such and such creature by identifying certain pixels and it mistook the rabbit for what it was supposed to kill
AlfredAlfer: Well sir, it's getting quite late over here
AlfredAlfer: And I shall tell Weev all about your bountiful solutions
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 04:24 AlfredAlfer: Trilema's decentralized though, right?
mod6: not sure why i didn't notice before, but I just realized where the tit id's come from. heheh
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 04:35 AlfredAlfer: Oh thank you for posting my cartoon, +a111
mircea_popescu pictures cartman going "BUT!! are you a111 positive ???"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck have i done nothing but logs and some light fucking today and im looking at a log page halfway through!
mod6: yeah, been pretty steep last few days 'eh
mircea_popescu: i dunno, back in say 2014-2015 we had 1.5-2k-2.5k line logs and it wasn't such a load. but the lines musta gotten denser or something, because even 1k nowadays is like... god.
mod6: heheh. i wonder what the btcbase (or previous incantation) link density is yoy.
mod6: like, if we're more recently linking things more heavily recently than we were previously, giving rise to deeper discussions to digest.
mod6: bah, redundancy s/recently//
mod6: we're also getting a bit more lenient on "must read 6mos of logs first" rule imho. and reasonably so when introductions are concerned, but last few days, we've seen a number of threads that could have been avoided.
mod6: this is a tough one however; often we want to discuss matters without having to wait weeks for someone to come back, fully read. but, tradeoffs.
mircea_popescu: yeah, im not complaining about noise level, which'd be aptly addressed by "Stfu nubs and go read logs".
diana_coman: and I thought it was only me struggling to find time to keep up to date on logs lately, ha
mod6: i tried to help a guy on eulora, failed. lol. maybe he'll figure it out though.
diana_coman: yeah, I think you actually held his hand quite a lot but who knows what he has there exactly
mod6: yeah, not quite sure.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 05:10 AlfredAlfer: say you're completely anonymous, don't use your real name, like I assume all you guys do.. is it easy for them to tie what you've said onto your actual person?
diana_coman: no worries; he might get sorted with danielpbarron's recipe
mircea_popescu: i'm mircea_popescu , danielpbarron is danielpbarron, diana_coman is diana_coman and so following.
mircea_popescu: like half the people actually use own names for nicks, and most of the rest are about as far removed as you with your alfred.
diana_coman: lol at this idea that "completely anonymous" = "don't use your real name"
mod6: /nick JohnnyMcFucksticks
mod6: diana_coman: how's your node goin? still sync'in?
mircea_popescu: in other shit i discover, tila tequilla isn't who i thought it was.
☟︎ diana_coman: mod6, yeah, node's been fine for quite a while; I'm still looking at the options to run one with a public ip too but not yet settled on that
mod6: no sweat, glad to hear that it's going alright for ya.
deedbot: needhelpwithnode voiced for 30 minutes.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> in very very other noose : the vendor's vga and ps/2 kbd demo verilog for ice40 builds and WORX << cool
mod6: 9.95 EUR ea. cheaper bulk prices too.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 06:35 danielpbarron: the hunger games chick showed her cunt even
BingoBoingo: Here's another fat joke: "Acral dry gangrene"
trinque: thanks BingoBoingo for today's mental hardening exercise
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 07:36 mircea_popescu: in other shit i discover, tila tequilla isn't who i thought it was.
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a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, re 'raw ip addrs hurt me head' folx -- possibly something like
http://gurno.com/adam/mne ( e.g. '66.33.193.225 = far-cab-raw-tap' ) would cure'em
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708973 << no. some non-people are trained as part of their non-people training at the hands of old women to a. never show their cunt in public b. run away whenever specific sounds are heard (1. sirens, 2. "freeze", 3. "nigger", 4. numbers and math, 5. etcetera). this is how old women build "a society" which looks exactly like fucking john gast's "american progress", a "painting" made by tele
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: some people have allergy to digits, it seems
mircea_popescu: graph operators/industrial draughtsmen about how "rain follows the plow" and other convenient anthropo-globalwarmisms of the oldwman herd cca 1800.
mircea_popescu: and somehow nobody picked up the pantsuited abominations of THAT period and whipped them to death to appease the dust bowl dust gods.
mircea_popescu: because, you've guessed it, "anyone could have bought into it" and "nobody could have predicted".
a111: Logged on 2017-08-30 21:57 mircea_popescu: the only reasonable move for safeguarding earth's future, is to keep you lot as far as feasible from any buttons that are connected to anything.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point was that by the time they typed in 83 the rest of the "unmemorizable address" is already filled in.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, im going to meet mah local lawyers over lunch about potential lulz, so bbl.
trinque: old farts still manage to key in the phone number to call AM radio
mircea_popescu: forget pantsuits trying to take the url out of the browser. apparently they convinced the herd to live without numbers ?
trinque: without anything not attached to a single button press on rectangular glass
trinque: can even shake the thing like a monkey if you didn't mean it!
mircea_popescu: there is no way to escape this, whoseover goes for many is our enemy and i shall personally knife his rabbits.
trinque: asciilifeform: kids do more work installing cracked games and so on than it is to put something in hosts file
☟︎ trinque: I don't keep 'em in head, but hostfile
trinque: sure, got even a local cache of DNS sitting here
trinque: bookmark the digits with a name
trinque: "fifty two" "twenty eight" "two hundred seven" "five" ??
ben_vulpes: what as if there are zero with spellable names gtfo
☟︎ trinque: why make dns better rather than murder leaving no trace?
trinque: hypertext on gossipd may sensibly *lack* the notion of "website" entirely.
☟︎ trinque: but "I want the page with hash H"
trinque: and whichever peers have it or don't
trinque: peers may even say "here's what I think dailysturmer is" and you go pick a hash to use
trinque: which yes means every single update to ds index page has to flow through someone you know gossiptronically for you to know about it
trinque: eh not sold on addressing being the thing; addressing identifies who I asked
trinque: but then that station goes down and I wanted an item from it; then what?
trinque: how the p2p networks, gnutella et al, worked, but routed over gossipd wotnet
trinque: yessir, dht atop what you're talking about would be quite robust to this whole "hurr durr took down the website FBI logo srs"
trinque: and yes would kill the "dynamic web" thing which, what the fuck, it's hypertext not a program, even if a program generated the hypertext.
trinque: wot.deedbot.org serves statics.
trinque: anything you're using as a search index can exist as some file with a hash your DHTinator could pull itself and look at on your end.
trinque: are we really trying to preserve every idiotic misuse of hypertext here?
☟︎ trinque: by your line of questioning kad can't search
trinque: by sending you a key over gossipd
trinque: where does hypertext come into that, except "SOP"
trinque: exactly how wot.deedbot.org works neh?
trinque: maybe bot's offline, can't eat
trinque: so yes, if wot.deedbot.org were on gossipd it'd eat by bot attached to particular station, maybe redundant somehow, but leaving that aside, this contemplated DHT could still make particular states of the thing redundant past the the death of trinque
trinque: hypertext's an inert datastructure, gives you a graph to crawl over while reading. why's it gotta be an interactive program aside that usecase?
trinque: there was a very recent thread re: this
trinque: lets say it's phuctored again. your station broadcasts to whoever it cares to tell, a particular identifier unique within your station now points to a new hash.
trinque: my station hears, can ask you for the goods.
trinque: folks can now ask me whether I have a particular hash, but can only know you meant it to mean "mahmood-anal-perforation-7" if they know you, or if you signed the fact that it is
trinque: it looks like the hash of an item, and whatever thing is showing me logs either knows what it is, or doesn't
trinque: no multiple columns; one hash and it's upon the reader to be able to find the item or not.
trinque: eh I have lost interest by now.
trinque: you're going to have to point out to me where link-by-hash fails then
trinque: and why my reader, being able to resolve hashes of items ~or not~ based on what my station knows, and peer stations tell me.
trinque: your aliases for items which identify membership of the item in some set *are themselves items which your station publishes, individually*
trinque: you belch out facts, rest of the world can either hear you or not, can either confirm you said them or not. or wtf was gossipd again?
trinque: why do you wish to express querying in terms of a hypertext interface at all?
trinque: !!gettrust deedbot asciilifeform
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 10 by 10 connections.
trinque: as locative, it's not doing so hot.
trinque: and URL as some kind of query language is abominable
trinque: yes. my station told you that wot.deedbot.org/arbitrarystringforsakeofargument.html means 19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25
trinque: and tomorrow you ask and it says new hash, and maybe even gives you the hashed item, how nice
trinque: and as I describe things the gossipdnet now has, if it wants, a history of what its seen, and a way to refer to it.
trinque: imagine the hilarity of actual human communication resembling www; you and I wish to speak irl, we go to the designated 3rd party for the particular language we'll speak, he relays between us and all other folks discussing same.
trinque: www itself is an incaism. death to "it was said on arsebook walled garden; lives and dies at the mercy of arsebook"
☟︎ trinque: anyhow will write, not gonna try to babble it into logs further.
trinque: not that particular one, but I would hazard a guess it lacked the hierarchial trust topology that makes other republican items work.
deedbot: Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
Barbarossa_: any chance of a price cut for FUCKGOATS w BTC @ ATH?
☟︎ ben_vulpes: Barbarossa_: there was just a price cut
Barbarossa_: kinda strange to use BTC as unit of account already, no?
trinque: ikr, usd loses value all the time. serious variance.
Barbarossa_: don't get me wrong: I'm mostly just trying to wrangle for an even cheaper implementation of gold standard entropy (despite not being a joo)
ben_vulpes: Barbarossa_: jewdom is a state of mind
Barbarossa_: damnit, guess I'm a self-loathing crytoJOO after all :(
ben_vulpes: hey it could be worse, you could be cryojewnic
ben_vulpes: how is s.nsa earning the btc back with the price cuts? were materials not paid for in btc many moons past?
Barbarossa_: I mostly just wanted to bring up FUCKGOATS coz I'm so happy that it exists
Barbarossa_: no - my PGP keys were all generated on a diddled wintel box
Barbarossa_: but I'm in the process of getting trb/linux/FG and all that
Barbarossa_: Pokerstars, the largest site, uses a semi-transparent mirror for entropy
Barbarossa_: dunno how practical that'd be for a FG-type device tho
Barbarossa_: ye, the key advantage to FG being auditability
Barbarossa_: I read the FG documentation - will be interesting verifying everything as a total layman
Barbarossa_: did you also create the PGP signing dongle thing?
Barbarossa_: but, but, but, open sauce, thousand eyes and all that
danielpbarron: Barbarossa_, i might be interested in selling you one for a little less. what were you looking to spend?
Barbarossa_: I don't actually mind paying retail, thanks though!
ben_vulpes: omfg it's rentalstarter all over again
ben_vulpes: old assets lolz, "rentalstarter" froze asset trading and then sold a pile of shares at above market price to "mystery investor who wanted to pay more than market price"
deedbot: Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: guy wants to buy at above market clearing price; it's funny!
ben_vulpes: Barbarossa_: market clearing price is danielpbarron's lower-than-snsa offer
Barbarossa_: ah right, well - I like filling in webforms
Barbarossa_: danielpbarron - currently reading Idols for Destruction - you'd probably enjoy it
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> old assets lolz, "rentalstarter" froze asset trading and then sold a pile of shares at above market price to "mystery investor who wanted to pay more than market price" << AHA, Thetwentyyear or some shit like that
ben_vulpes: for my illumination, what do you figure Barbarossa_ is buying from you that he is not from danielpbarron ?
BingoBoingo: Well 2nd as opposed to first batch for one
Barbarossa_: time to setup all the PGP stuff and a hot wallet to send the bitcoin etc
ben_vulpes: oh no, danielpbarron is mining with customer hardware!
Barbarossa_: didn't wanna say yes, then have to delay a week getting ready to actually buy
Barbarossa_: iirc I read it on their official blog, but this was a couple years back
Barbarossa_: they claimed to fire photons at a semi-transparent mirror hosted somewhere in the Isle of Man
Barbarossa_: they made/make no pretensions as to verifiability
Barbarossa_: fwiw I've never heard a player even ask how they generate the entropy
Barbarossa_: I didn't care myself - until bitcoin existed
Barbarossa_: that has been a problem in the past - a la a site known as Unibet
Barbarossa_: or was it Ultimate Bet? I forget. There have been a lot of scams
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 13:51 asciilifeform: incidentally, re 'raw ip addrs hurt me head' folx -- possibly something like
http://gurno.com/adam/mne ( e.g. '66.33.193.225 = far-cab-raw-tap' ) would cure'em
Barbarossa_: better for having a load of logs to chew through
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 15:38 asciilifeform: display syncs and displays moving (via arrow keys) sprite.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:45 trinque: asciilifeform: kids do more work installing cracked games and so on than it is to put something in hosts file
trinque: used to do all kinds of "patch this file in that dir with leethax.exe" when I was in teens
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:45 asciilifeform: trinque ( and others ) : out of curiosity, how many ipv4's do you personally keep in yer head ? ( NOT counting 'magics' , e.g. 127.0.0.1 )
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:36 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point was that by the time they typed in 83 the rest of the "unmemorizable address" is already filled in.
deedbot: Barbarossa_ voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:50 ben_vulpes: what as if there are zero with spellable names gtfo
mircea_popescu: there was a time when most ghosts had no idea wtf this
http is and how does internets again ?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 19:50 trinque: hypertext on gossipd may sensibly *lack* the notion of "website" entirely.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem, with pantsuit as prb alike : they lack the capacity to influence reality. at any point, arbitrarily long chain of "progress", unwound at 0 cost.
danielpbarron: Barbarossa_, take your time. also i would not sell you one i already opened; i have plenty still sealed in the electrostatic bag
Barbarossa_: no worries - didn't mean to besmirch your character - just not waste your time
Barbarossa_: "The conflict of Christian faith and American culture"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 20:05 trinque: are we really trying to preserve every idiotic misuse of hypertext here?
trinque: isn't a misuse, yes, but search UI is not implemented with it.
mircea_popescu: in this view the "web" logsearch is really properly "that part of uci you lot intuiutively implemented"
trinque: deedbot vs wot.deedbot.org separation of concern is what I'm driving at, will drive at it more clearly when paybot dislodged from queue.
trinque: specifically publishing is a separate concern from the rest, and would benefit from the fault tolerance proposed.
Barbarossa_: mircea_popescu: Romanian gamblers have warned me to stay away from their womenfolk, no matter how voluptuous - apparently more trouble than worth - good advice?
trinque: lol, maybe they like their women enough to keep!
mircea_popescu: i can't even parse that, wtf is "romanian gamblers", and what is "their womenfolk" and what is voluptuous here and so on.
mircea_popescu: whatever. if you're looking for advice, the correct advice is stay away from women.
Barbarossa_: hot Romanian females deal in the UK; .ro d00ds aren't impressed
Barbarossa_: sorry - in UK casinos there are lots of Romanian dealers
mircea_popescu: what do they do there, eat pringles and show each other their id badges ?
mircea_popescu: Barbarossa_ write it up sometime, with pics and everything, i'd read. got a blog ?
Barbarossa_: It's a LOT less interesting than you're imagining, I can promise you that
Barbarossa_: we actually have GTO-approximation software now
Barbarossa_: haha, the UK casinos are a *little* nicer - but the US has the best I've seen, by far
Barbarossa_: sweet - they're super stringent in the UK; US pretty laid back in my experience
mircea_popescu: i don't know anyone but idiots and poor orcs still in that shithole. romanians fine example of both categories.
Barbarossa_: can't argue with that, though there is admittedly some selection bias: only Romanians I know are professional gamblers
Barbarossa_: they do seem uniquely miserable, though - even by British standards
mircea_popescu: there's loads of "it experts" who get all excited about salaries being slightly higher than in bucharest and then do indescribably stupid bullshit in the vein of undertaking 30 year adjustable mortgages to buy the utter shit that passes for real estate in england and there only.
mircea_popescu: there's also loads of whores, and some migrant gypsies. the latter category possibly only ones who are both having fun and using the uk as it is intended and merits to be used.
mircea_popescu: "She said: ‘These people have just trashed 30 years of my life and thrown it into bin bags. It is soul-destroying.’"
mircea_popescu: considering the old woman in question worked for the uk govt, there are truly fewer things more upright or morally deserving to do than to destroy her soul and throw the bits in the garbage.
mircea_popescu: and the inept copper is trying to flirt with the hussy, in their inept cuckolded way. and she's evidently privy to it, and so is her cousin. (2nd pic)
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1709154 << seems the correct solution is the layer of indirection. you do have actual information, which is immutable, and which can be served as urls ; and you have indexing etcetera, which yes is mutable, but which also best lives as an alias layer on top of urls. so in this sense : each line in the log is an url ; the query for "give me the by-day list of archives" just like the query for
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 20:24 asciilifeform: is it a locative ? or an immutable
mircea_popescu: "give me the list of all lines with string x" are not requests for urls per se, but requests for computation. "please interpret the indirection layer and compose a list of urls as a solution to that".
mircea_popescu: now, that in practice these APPEAR mixed, is a matter of little theoretical consequence.
mircea_popescu: old style ben_vulpes was an attempt to do exactly this i suspect, we nixed it because too long hashes ; but practical considerations have no theoretical power.
mircea_popescu: it is more ~convenient~ to have the url in phf style, but this convenience does not change the fact that yes, they ARE ben_vulpes style.
mircea_popescu: much like digital notation of transcendents, be it more convenient, does not un-make their transcendence.
ben_vulpes: as an aside, it is obnoxious that anchors are not passed in the request
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform human brai nidem, which is why cartesian/polar switching such a problem.
mircea_popescu: poor naggum. if he lived he'd have had something to live for,
mircea_popescu: this is very specifically what they mean by "permanent solution to temporary problem" btw. here we are.
trinque: isn't any very good reason why phf's style and ben_vulpes's style are both facts expressed in some datastructure, identified by their respective hashes.
trinque: it's a fact there's a log line, and also a fact a phfnode said about it, I saw at time T
trinque: can still sign the material pointed to by the hash, if worried.
trinque: you asked the indexes of your trusted peers, who asked theirs
trinque: and should rank responses accordingly.
trinque: this isn't gnutella flatland
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> that's just another hash. << no, tmsr-rsa does fulltext signing.
mircea_popescu: let's take as sample text "what means 'more compact construct'".
mircea_popescu: signed material looks as follows : 0001what 0faadd0002means8391240004 'moraff02930005...ffffuct'ajk40009a435aad
mircea_popescu: and you know 9 blocks were signed, and they are as such :
mircea_popescu: 0001what someotherdays does not check out against faadd
mircea_popescu: because faad is the signature for "0001what " not for "0001otherwhat"
mircea_popescu: i see what you mean, but you've no legs to stand on. suppose each successive block is a successive hash.
mircea_popescu: "yes, enemy has alphabet of chunks : he knows how to sign ilif every time it comes after asci and is 2nd in ther chain"
trinque: doesn't that successfuly diminish the likelihood of a usable collision?
mircea_popescu: and besides, with a settable hash like mpfhf you can use different size hashes all the time.
mircea_popescu: "hurr durr we know how to sign "cocksucker" whenever they use 93 bit outputs. which is... not now."
mircea_popescu: and by no means mpfhf only settable. keccak will work also.
mircea_popescu: so, message as chain of message blocks, with acordeon, settable hash. yes it is "possible" to get a collision. if your hash is 512bytes long... not soon.
mircea_popescu: nobody forces us to use the 32/64 byte crap nsit likes.
mircea_popescu: there's no shits given re tmsa-rsa-signature being retrocompatible.
mircea_popescu: we're talking of different things in the sense you went off on a tangent.
mircea_popescu: the important point is : acordeon hash function set up to spit 256 byte or 512 byte hashes WILL NOT collide.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2 ** 256 = 1.157920892373162E77
trinque: penultimate worst case is that folks republish their items in the case of hashpocalypse. and they tell their trusted peers. and it propagates over wot.
mircea_popescu: tell you what, i also have no proof in your sense the slavegirls ain't cheating on me.
trinque: worst case is the original publisher is dead, and all you've got are whoever cared about him.
trinque: and they republish what they've got. like all history.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the fraction is so small as to be below heisenberg limits. this matters.
mircea_popescu: huge difference between sub-heisenberg fractional and super-heisenberg fractional.
mircea_popescu: no, i was expecting that's what you want ever since pushing me above.
mircea_popescu: and i don't think it's necessarily a bad solution, which is why i said there are others.
mircea_popescu: you can chose an arbitrary large prime and have that arity.
mircea_popescu: so as i was saying -- we don't have to usg.dumb sign anything.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 20:51 asciilifeform: ( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve )
mircea_popescu: "what if we pretend problem doesn't exist ?" "well... it'll catch up with you eventually" "But after i vest, right ?" "probably..."
mircea_popescu: quite. though usually in the manner of "i just want my pension"
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 20:57 trinque: www itself is an incaism. death to "it was said on arsebook walled garden; lives and dies at the mercy of arsebook"
mircea_popescu: btw am i the only one HIGHLY entertained by the internets producing a girl alf ?
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 21:29 Barbarossa_: any chance of a price cut for FUCKGOATS w BTC @ ATH?
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 21:42 Barbarossa_: well, 6 riffle shuffles are enough for us ;)
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 23:43 mircea_popescu: btw am i the only one HIGHLY entertained by the internets producing a girl alf ?
mircea_popescu: hey, at least yours has the best rack of the alf-right or how did that go.
trinque: this is not persuading me of the hazards of hashcollision
mircea_popescu: i still think the best ever is the magic of denial one.
shinohai: !~later tell jurov I wish to donate my s.qntra shares this month to the bitcoin foundation. Please advise how to proceed, thx.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: the girls love the "ne futem sau evadam ?" "fuff. mai fimflu" one. which only exists in romanian.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't want to commission back in 2013 or so because i don't recall, something about how doesn't want to lose the spirit or somesuch.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-01 22:06 asciilifeform: though i've thought about suggesting to mircea_popescu to offer hand-delivery ( chore would fall to asciilifeform... ) as an option. but i dun like nonflat prices
mircea_popescu: not a good answer. courier can get ambushed just as well.
mircea_popescu: what, you're going to arm them too ? with what, submarines ?