asciilifeform: cruciform: problems ?

asciilifeform: oh you're the uk fella

asciilifeform: only now plugged it in ?!

asciilifeform: have fun

asciilifeform: ^

asciilifeform: get rid of it

asciilifeform: and i mean, all of it. no gcc5 on the box anywhere.

asciilifeform: ( unless yer a gentoo virtuoso and can have 9000 compilers safely co-exist. otherwise, kill. it. with. fire. )

asciilifeform: !#s gcc5

asciilifeform: ^ see also.

asciilifeform: gcc5 was made by wreckers.

asciilifeform: see also esp. thread http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665148 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: i cannot immediately say how to do this surgery on non-gentoo linuxen

asciilifeform: might want to ask mod6 , ben_vulpes , trinque , shinohai

asciilifeform: if you make the cuts in the wrong order, could easily end up without a compiler.

asciilifeform: ( which may be a trivial fix or an hour-long headache depending on what's on yer box )

asciilifeform: cruciform: at least 1 person here knows the answer to this, you might want to check back later.

asciilifeform: cruciform: pretty sure i shipped a number of units with that exact cable

asciilifeform: it's a pl2303 , ought to work ( though see diana_coman 's recent thread , on certain egregiously braindamaged linuxen there is a bug ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: cruciform: the colours on your cable may not match exactly the traditional one; in that case look up which wire is rx, which - +5v, which - ground.

asciilifeform: ( leave 'tx' alone . )

asciilifeform: np

asciilifeform bbl

asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is unfortunately quite typical.

asciilifeform: must've happened long ago -- all of my gentoo boxen work with the ttl snakes

asciilifeform: ALL ttl snakes i currently know of, are stereotypicachinese rubbish

asciilifeform: without exception

asciilifeform: not only the driver thing, but even the plastic shells come apart when handled one too many times; the sockets come off the wires; etc

asciilifeform: pc is epic piece of shit, with modern vlsi it could have 50 working uarts for a few cents. instead ships with 0 ☟︎

asciilifeform: old site had'em

asciilifeform: gotta find a copy somehow ( asciilifeform doesnt appear to have )

asciilifeform: it definitely had the pre-usgization keccak gold standard. can generate tests from this.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735812 << noshit.jpg, it works for kicking people out of номенклатура , and this dun work if yer not in it to begin with ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: tho there was that one chix with the cartoon, who was sacked from her job as... cachier ? ( whatever happened to her )

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735807 << lol not everybody has titz ( and some have already fired theirs !1) ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, btc is virtually impossible to get

asciilifeform: ( see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-28#1730156 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735810 << this isnt any sadder than , e.g., the 5 whole coinz asciilifeform lost in the alphago thing. or the infamous toyota, etc ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: anybody made a whole coin yet ?

asciilifeform: or how many centuries that would take ? ☟︎

asciilifeform: ( to be fair, i did not think that the coin were supposed to be the appeal )

asciilifeform: i'll concede that eulora apparently does yield nonzero coin, for someody. but i must also admit that, tho i respect the work of diana_coman , mircea_popescu , et al, i dun particularly digest mmporgs ( or even play much game at all any moar )

asciilifeform: when i sit to play a game, it feels like dereliction of duty, with, e.g., ffa yet undone, dulap not yet replaces, scintollator rng not complete, 9000 other processes ☟︎

asciilifeform: i can't even tetris no moar, diana_coman ☟︎

asciilifeform: much less eulora.

asciilifeform: i suspect that i recycled that part of my head.

asciilifeform: yea i did get the 'core wars' flavour from the bot thing

asciilifeform: it sounds neat

asciilifeform: in unrelated lulz, bch shitcoin pumped back by someone, to august price ☟︎

asciilifeform: diana_coman: that sounds rather like what you would expect, neh

asciilifeform: the ratios

asciilifeform: did you actually factor the nonprime e, to crtize ?

asciilifeform: or why would the ratio there differ

asciilifeform: ( gpg-mpi's mod exp doesnt do anything special with composite exponents, that would automatically speed the op )

asciilifeform: btw i had a lulzy idea re public exponents

asciilifeform: they're, well, public. ergo could easily be , say, nextprime(commentstring) ☟︎☟︎

asciilifeform: or any other user-controlled field .

asciilifeform: pretty odd.

asciilifeform: paste the code ?

asciilifeform: yours

asciilifeform: the different from last experiment, part.

asciilifeform: ( moar formally for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735872 : pub exp for asciilifeform would be equal to nextprime(keccak4096('asciilifeform pithy comment and current postage etc')) ☝︎

asciilifeform: hmm

asciilifeform: i'ma think, over cup of tea, re why the diff

asciilifeform brb

asciilifeform: ah lol looks like diana_coman found the wtf

asciilifeform: ( was outside of the pasted material )

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735902 << phunphakt: the 'satanic abuse' folx are still sitting in jail. ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( nfi if specifically because plead, or not , tho )

asciilifeform: well nao , after tea, and when rubbed in my face -- i see, lel

asciilifeform: heya mod6

asciilifeform: i also thought it was from red paste or the like

asciilifeform: or at the very least sunburns.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735920 << may or may not want to bother, but it does give a method of protocolically tying the comment (postage whatever) string to the pubkey , without pretense of 'self-signatures' or anything of the kind ☝︎

asciilifeform: and (m,comment) is shorter, in principle, than (m,e,comment) .

asciilifeform: but this is imho muchly a matter of taste.

asciilifeform: well anyone can attach labels to outside of the bottle in his own shelf, regardless of what gets put in the spec

asciilifeform: so imho if comment is not part of the moving parts ( as in say the proposed exponent scheme above ) then there's no particular reason to mention it in the spec

asciilifeform: 'infinite' sizes are a lol

asciilifeform: notion was, why not make e := nextprime(contents of hole) . naturally hole would be (4096 bits) or (up to 4096 bits), take yer pick

asciilifeform: it's a public exponent. but it does break my http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733387 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: and probably also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733390 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( at least if using nextprime(keccak(comment)) )

asciilifeform: well specifically then

asciilifeform: if ~not~ hashing, then it theoretically meets the condition ( for so long as the comment is permitted to be binary garbage if it wants )

asciilifeform: actually , the way i'd implement the thing , is to not change the format in any way, other than a condition that 1) e can be any 4096b string 2) but if it fails m-r, nextprime(e) is used as e

asciilifeform: this would let whoever wants put 'hello world' etc as the e. and if do not want, to do exactly same thing we already discussed.

asciilifeform: not mega-difference, no.

asciilifeform: ( if your e is already prime, nothing interesting happens. but if someone insists of making a text 'part of the key', he can stuff it into the e )

asciilifeform: anyway i agree with mircea_popescu , there is no reason to have any of this in the moving gears. who wants a 'text commented e', can take his text, find nextprime(text) himself in such a way that it still human-reads, and use that.

asciilifeform: sorta like the vanity btc addrs thing.

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: ^ prolly has noanswer

asciilifeform: aa lol this is the mirrorolade thing again

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735914 << yea , hence asciilifeform's 'core wars' comment ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( fwiw asciilifeform never played 'normal' mmporgs , but has a vague notion that even there, people eventually made bots )

asciilifeform: that part imho is pretty obvious

asciilifeform: wat's 'girl armor'

asciilifeform: aaa

asciilifeform: iirc it was Framedragger with the hard

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: reminds me, asciilifeform dreamed at night that he had a time travel widget, but used it strictly to go back in time to now-defunct labs he worked in, to borrow tools. but one time forgot to return ! and was trapped, forever, in a loop, consisting of lunch break among technodetritus.

asciilifeform: * forgot to return a tool

asciilifeform: ikr?

asciilifeform: lol

asciilifeform: i suppose being condemned to wish forever it were 2010, is nearly as good a hell as to be stuck in actual 2010

asciilifeform: dunno, people - esp. the very dim -- have quite strong ability to 'animate the inanimate' and e.g. declare 'war on $substance' etc

asciilifeform: tangentially, asciilifeform has this strong recollection of reading a version where xerx whipped the sea ~as a psyop~, and meanwhile had men crossing elsewhere. but i can't seem to find this in herodotus. so where was it ?

asciilifeform: i dun think i dreamed it. it was somewhere.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735903 << ftr asciilifeform has never yet sold ( in the trade-for-fiatolade sense ) any qty of bitcoin . ☝︎

asciilifeform: very much case of 'write only memory'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735893 >> see also of interest re diana_coman's find >> http://lonnberg.mbnet.fi/pl2303x.html ☝︎

asciilifeform: 'The PL-2303X has the same vendor ID and product ID as the older PL-2303, which means that it will be incorrectly detected as a PL-2303 by the driver currently in the Linux kernel. Attempting to use a PL-2303X as a PL-2303 simply results in an inability to transfer data through the serial port. In other words, nothing happens.'

asciilifeform: what isn't clear to me tho is why the perpetrator found it necessary to commit this atrocity

asciilifeform: the '64bitness' is red herring, my 16550 uarts worked ok under msdos 5 and work just same today

asciilifeform: sure, but at least it is clear how beating folx on the street with a club and taking their wallets might be enjoyable

asciilifeform: well wallets sometimes contain dough

asciilifeform: i will admit to not having tried it.

asciilifeform: but it isn't a wholly martian thing, where 'why would anyone' question arises

asciilifeform: troo: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-17#511630 ☝︎

asciilifeform: well to be fair pl2303x is prolly a work of d00dz in 20s

asciilifeform: ( and i must sadly note, they will ~continue~ to ship with FG units, unless someone wants to suggest a different chip )

asciilifeform: then indeed i have nfi

asciilifeform: it would even make sense if order was 'make'em all install this here new winblowz turd'. but iirc 2303x did not even ~offer~ a winturd.

asciilifeform: ( hence the warning in the fg docs )

asciilifeform: oh hah there's at least 1 actual building in cr !

asciilifeform: ( re mircea_popescu's latest article )

asciilifeform: it is, with the baobab or whatever that thing is in the americas

asciilifeform: in other lulzies, https://archive.is/FWYXJ becomes https://archive.is/aw5AC .

asciilifeform: 'We just forked the website ! We didn't mean to fork Bitcoin, thats a lot of work ;)'

asciilifeform: i can picture the wagner, the cyanide, of the handful of gullible folx. might explain the 'back to 300' last night.

asciilifeform: pictured item appears to be 'phorq uncancelled!' then few hrs later 'haha, idjits'

asciilifeform: on the shitcoin markets, a 'fork token' or what was it, denominated in heathenbux, fell from 1000s to 100, but then repumped

asciilifeform: ( link in the l0gz somewhere )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see also http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-03#1595615 ! ☝︎

asciilifeform: meanwhile in other pirates, http://www.maxmcarter.com/spark/marconi.html

asciilifeform: '...storage capacitor holds 0.2 watt-seconds of energy... about 90%, 720,000 peak watts, delivered to the antenna... might be heard world-wide, but I don't know that for a fact... while total power in the pulses might be impressive, it's an extremely wideband signal - much less power is present on any particular, say 5 kHz, channel. In other words, the sparker is sending a very crude form of spread spectrum'

asciilifeform: 'The signal has a very subtle sound and, if not for the 3-click/delay format, would be indistinguishable from nature's own spark transmitter, distant lighting.'

asciilifeform: incidentally re : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735809 << e.g. pyongyang, or teheran, or any other 'fortress' could easily make btc by transmitting arbitrary bits on shortwave, for coin ☝︎

asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if this happened and then the transmitter wasn't booked 24/7.

asciilifeform: e.g. 'send coin to addr A, then wotpaste payload signed with originator addr, and yer 64kB chunk is on the air within 24hrs or we send coin back. signed, yours, kim chen ir'

asciilifeform: betcha auctioning the bandwidth (supposing you're already in the 'fortressing' business and have the tower) is moar +ev, joule-per-joule , than mining.

asciilifeform: ( and possibly even moar +ev for opponent, to ~outbid~ than to jam, per-joule )

asciilifeform: now, a twist : you don't necessarily need a pyongyang. can instead use network of decisive men with smaller repeaters...

asciilifeform: ( but possibly this devolves into the scheme described by mircea_popescu much earlier . )

asciilifeform: principal headaches, afaik are 1) how to get payload from the buyer to the seller to begin with 2) how to settle dispute re performance ( e.g. 'you said you tx'd, but over on mauritus nobody got the signal' etc )

asciilifeform: (2) is prolly solvable simply by being very, very loud. but (1) i have nfi, my puny brain is not up to producing an obvious pill.

asciilifeform: ( i suppose one approach to (1) is 'buyer must be in the l1 of a repeater operator'. and possibly it is the only possible approach. but it does turn the thing from 'build it and they will come' into something like 'must push the dope' , and prolly makes whole thing unviable )

asciilifeform: the real boojum, i suspect, is that there is ~0 demand for anything of this kind, while the net still works ( propped up as it may be by fiatolism )

asciilifeform: but when it begins to fall apart -- will be 'too late to invent parachute'.

asciilifeform: ( i could be wrong -- there could be demand. would mircea_popescu personally pay to transmit something ? how much would pay ? but who else would..? )

asciilifeform can see it.

asciilifeform: it remains imho a puzzle, how anyone would bootstrap such a thing ( nobody would pay for 'best effort' crapola, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735455 ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: possibly 'hey they've transmitted blocks on time, unkillably, for years, and now they're auctioning slots!' might do it.

asciilifeform: ( now that i think about it, this particular piece of relay-crackpottery might actually work very well with asciilifeform's earlier 'casks' thing , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619996 & elsewhere ) ☝︎

asciilifeform: it's an algo, wat.

asciilifeform: will quietly live in the l0gz until possibly useful.

asciilifeform: ( or at any rate refuted, and can then link to refutation when asciilifeform is long dead and some other d00d asks 'hey wai not shortwave relays' etc )

asciilifeform: and i'll disagree that a q re how specifically one might go about taking back telecom sovereignty from the fiatists, is necessarily a wank.

asciilifeform bbl,meat

asciilifeform: yea , moar dead nazis, less kB wasted, i get.

asciilifeform bbl ferrealz

asciilifeform: woah shitcoin @ 0.15

asciilifeform: ( that, or epic goxolade concert )

asciilifeform: https://archive.is/iFP57 << in other soon-to-be-defuncts.

asciilifeform: shinohai: when fed it how ?

asciilifeform: ( i thought bitpay took btc ~in~ only , disgorged fiatola )