mircea_popescu: eh, my recollection of the discussion is, "there's houseboat and there's yacht. there's no batshit-nonsense for the ~same reason there's no golf club cum baseball bat cum tennis racket."
☟︎ mircea_popescu: and no, it isn't some sort of brilliant idea to "you know, like swiss army knife, for sports handhelds!"
mircea_popescu: just more of the same tedious, lazy, loathsome "reasoning" by simile.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- no further than last year i sat and drank on a "QUIDNON". it was large and well furnished, built specifically for being casino. sat, logically, ON RIVER, beause no waves. and so forth.
mircea_popescu: i need some roto'n culo to "invent" the houseboat for me like i need some indigent farmer to invent a new religion on the basis of "reading" tablets fallen from the sky.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (in passing let it be said that the universal and fundamental quality of snake oil is just this swiss army knife appearance, it's supposed to be everything for everyone but nothing in particular to no particular anyone.)
mircea_popescu: oh, yeah, and the whole "rent free" nonsense bit a huge girder once i pointed out to you what the proper solution for this boating bs is ; then it turned out the whole thing was more of an exercise in inverting naggum's matrices "to see if it could be done" than anything specific.
☟︎ phf: intuitively any rent free arrangement must necessarily cost more, because it's not subsidized by the master
mircea_popescu: if you factor into this "rent free" what tomahawks copst anbd what they do for that money, you're sunk.
mircea_popescu: the reason merchant class even appeared in medieval europe was because it's cheaper to rent a house in castle than it is to produce it. sucker's play, and that's how aristocracy bled to death.
mircea_popescu: not like it wasn't fucking obvious, hence the whole "student" vagabond class, already well entranched by the time of villon.
☟︎ phf: we're so far away from that division, that it's hard to reason about it, but on reflection it makes sense
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:32 mircea_popescu: not like it wasn't fucking obvious, hence the whole "student" vagabond class, already well entranched by the time of villon.
mircea_popescu: inexplicable, you know (never said maximillian) how i owe money to merchants for armies to defend/acquire the very fucking towns in which these merchants live. how is it that max owes fugger rather than fugger owing max ?!
phf: asciilifeform: the specifics of rent racket are different, but same principles apply to escaping modern rent racket in any kind of real sense, beyond "don't you hate paying rent??? what if i told you you don't have to pay rent ever again!1" snake oil
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:22 mircea_popescu: i need some roto'n culo to "invent" the houseboat for me like i need some indigent farmer to invent a new religion on the basis of "reading" tablets fallen from the sky.
mircea_popescu: it's not like fg is published ; it's like escher is published.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:27 mircea_popescu: oh, yeah, and the whole "rent free" nonsense bit a huge girder once i pointed out to you what the proper solution for this boating bs is ; then it turned out the whole thing was more of an exercise in inverting naggum's matrices "to see if it could be done" than anything specific.
mircea_popescu: you will have to decide what your problem is. do you want cheap ? do you want made in kitchen ? do you want "looks like my wife's cunt" ? what, specifically, do you want ?
mircea_popescu: you will never EVER be able to beat for price the discounted products of an industrial process through artisanal craftsmanship.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, you know what, giving your skill in formulating problems, i suspect orlov may have a solution justr for you.
mircea_popescu: the problem domain of "item that sails" is wel lcatered to. the problem domain of "doods feel like they're not personally interesting enough", never will.
mircea_popescu: hey, i got a pair of two dollar shoes to sell you also.
mircea_popescu: well, no, seeing how $ also product of mass industry. but yes, slavegirls make me all soreta things for free
mircea_popescu: the problem is that fg can be bought, and escher's drawings can not be bought. orlol is of the latter type.
mircea_popescu: it was, then you just raise it six months later as if it hasn't.
phf: item that sails for kalash money exists, miss rockaway armada likes to build those
mircea_popescu: mebbe just re-read discussion, offer specific objections ?
phf: asciilifeform: actually, yes, on both accounts, but you should perhaps image search miss rockaway armada
mircea_popescu: "livable" you know. the colonization of polynesia is living proof that man can live on a plank.
mircea_popescu vaguely regrets he's not harun al rashid, sends sipahi over orlol's place, give him a year to make the damned thing and force him to sail in it.
phf: reading orlol i thought he already had a sailable device? why aren't there plans&details for what he already allegedly has
mircea_popescu: and i fully expect that as he drowns you'll find some other equivalent nonsense to fully expect will work.
phf: last time orlol's sail boat came up i linked some detailed plans by digital nomads for living houseboats. those were decidedly not built on kalash budget (mostly funded by alphabet companies, because choke full of electronics)
mircea_popescu: wait. he had an oceangoing vessel on "kalash budget" he bought off the shelf ?
mircea_popescu: what other people ? the other people who will grow your fucking food and do your laundry ?
mircea_popescu: this makes as much sense as any hobbyst discussion. ima check out.
mircea_popescu: "i don't want to die, i just want to go into a bottle."
mircea_popescu: why not you know, get used to talking to mario $rando instead ? way the fuck easier than growing linen on the open ocean.
mircea_popescu: actually, introversion per se is one thing. much like jumping on one foot is one thing. when you actually miss a leg it's a different story, and should regrow it!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 16:45 asciilifeform: i suppose you can have weekly-fresh-cunts XOR only-ever-talking-to-people-who-are-people
mircea_popescu: you want to technologize talking to people out of the equation of living ?
mircea_popescu: mmm. i dunno. i mean in the sense condoms are three bux or w/e, break the "Student"'s budget
mircea_popescu: there's a reason ~everyone applies that method. the reason being 10 overbids 9 whereas 8 does not.
a111: Logged on 2015-02-21 01:19 mircea_popescu: "she's been going through 6-7k each month since autumn, but i get to go visit p diddy whenever i feel like it. it's a wash"
mircea_popescu: nevermind that. consider this : my living arrangements, were they to be separated as an independent profit center, were in the green pretty much every year for the past 20.
mircea_popescu: the correct approach to "live rent free" is to work it as a business. the rest is poppycock.
mircea_popescu: mp was born in a country where 20 dollars was a monthly salary. leverage is not so simple as all that.
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, leverage isn't this magical thing from the sky.
mircea_popescu: subsistence living has a peculiar meaning in romania of the 80s.
mircea_popescu: hm. maybe it's one of those things where it doesn't denote, it connotes. anyway, first one is a fine indication of subsistence living in question.
mircea_popescu: that may be ; but there exists no ghetto in all of the us today that can compare to eg ghencea, or whatever other "urban development".
mircea_popescu: lafond is hallucinating, those people live in luxury.\
mircea_popescu: sure. heck, there's even supermarkets they can borrow it from.
mircea_popescu: get back to me when you find a household making it on 30 dollars a month.
mircea_popescu: with the women making clothes by hand out of stolen scraps, and all the complexities of soups etc.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, get back to me when any of them actually work a field, by hand, to make 100 dollars in 6 months of oxen labour.
mircea_popescu: THAT is what qualifies, not the butthurt bullshit of wanna-be princeses upset some other dorks they cant' distinguish themselves from got a cooler car.
mircea_popescu: was ~no aids in romania. but i have personally seen woman pulling man pushing plow.
mircea_popescu: plowing tractors have special hydraulics to keep it in. lot of force, more than the pull.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i suppose you could just put a huge rock on it, but then the horse'll die.
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 22:52 asciilifeform: to revisit upstack : i'd still like to find this shangri-la, between britney-rubbish and FG, where actual money is to be made.
gabriel_laddel_p: On the basis that FG won't rest on some portion of the state space when you train your model
mircea_popescu: eh, we're not trying to requalify him into a salesman over here.
gabriel_laddel_p: and will give a better prediction / faster convergence than PRNGs
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: what, the geiger counter NN training, or another one?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: do you have numbers for convergence with FG vs intel PRNG?
gabriel_laddel_p: I was planning on selling FG using this, but have a lot on my plate
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: not in my present state, and certainly not without numbers
gabriel_laddel_p: I'm happy to compute myself, but am having a hard time convincing ppl to buy me FG
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p can just use eg mod6 's dataset ? should be ~6gb i expect
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: diva send the x61? I have someone waiting on me to deliver a masamune atop it
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:18 mircea_popescu: eh, my recollection of the discussion is, "there's houseboat and there's yacht. there's no batshit-nonsense for the ~same reason there's no golf club cum baseball bat cum tennis racket."
phf: can presumably spec out the thing by noting all the instances of "omg, i definitely not don't need X that does Y what are you stupid" and building a constraint rules out of them
a111: Logged on 2016-07-19 22:30 mircea_popescu: if the sheep found a way to graze on rafts, the wolves would ride around in speedboats.
phf: i don't have enough experience with open ocean sailing, but the ocean is not as big as you think, as far as pirate avoidance is concerned, because of the currents. you have stable streams, that are essentially mandatory for long distance travel. piracy has been traditionally carried out at various locations where these currents terminate or switch. if you're primarily relying on wind (and there's only so much gas your little boat will carry), you will
phf: be at huge disadvantage if you're attempting to avoid slipstreams.
phf: so you basically have a choice between traveling along known paths (that will connect land to land, or near land)
phf: or sitting without wind and current in the middle of nowhere, praying that you have enough gas to take you to a closest stream
phf: (all of this is pretty obvious, if you ask yourself, how did you have so many skirmishes during the age of exploration, given how big the ocean is and how few vessels compared to now were on the surface)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-05 03:32 mircea_popescu: famous russian gun commentator guy explains this cannonicaly, imo. "thief - wants to get loot. not to die with you there."
phf: considering that the thing is designed for fambly, shooting will be a mercy
phf: yes, but what about the kraken
mircea_popescu: phf the "constraint" resultant strictly determines the item as a psychological rather than physical constructy.
mircea_popescu: he wants to pay ~what pvc costs per the weight for an ocean-going item. it's not unlike me speccing "i want computer made out of seminole grain. they can make pasta out of it, why not computer."
mircea_popescu: not tom ention the part where it's "Car-sized" on the outside and "q-bed sized" on the inside.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> not sure, possibly nobody gave a shit. << iirc no websites for either existed at the time of listing.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> paging mod6 << +gabriel_laddel_p, I've got 'em.
mod6: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it. I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb. What is your bid?
☟︎☟︎ jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
mod6: asciilifeform: also, re 'wires', indeed, just experiment at this point, not for battlefield use.
mod6 recently gotn kinesis advantage 2
mod6: it's got the cherry mx reds. been using it for a month. im getting used to it.
mod6: which ones does alf like?
☟︎ mod6: is there any specific model you use/prefer?
mod6: i.e. 3179, 3270, ... etc.
mod6: phf: aha. even with qwerty on the kinesis, it still messes me up a bit now on regular staggard row layouts. i never tried alt layouts such as dvorak since a friend went through the same thing. always found himself having to switch everyone elses keyboard to dvorak just to "use" their keyboard for a minute.
phf: yeah, there's actually some "modern" qwerty modification that puts special chars on middle column
phf: but the big insight of arensito is to move all the special chars into an additional mode. so parenthesis are for example on altgr-k altgr-l etc.
phf: your modifiers are under your thumb, and you chord
phf: ~sounds~ is the keyword here
phf: yes, but it's nothing like the item in question
mod6: i vi/m, and i have to say that with the kinesis, the tiny ESC key bugs me. so i remap ESC to the right thumb ctrl key, and the 'OS' key to ctrl.
phf: you already chord to get to any of the special symbols, when you press shift
phf: unless you have unchorded specials, and you use number keypad for numbers, but then you have hell of lateral travel
phf: well, it's a trade off between that, and travel distance
phf: you're either chording or traveling. there's only enough space for alphabet there. naggum's hack is that he puts opening parts of { [ ( pairs on the middle row, but he still has to chord for closing. (he presumably uses electric mode)
phf: those are chorded AND you have to travel
phf: no, and i think it was in emacs group, so no xach archive
phf: definitely not "all public groups" but maybe the keyboard is there
phf: he basically just took the naggum posts from ron garret's complete(-ish) archive of comp.lang.lisp
phf: Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp
phf: “ and then you tell your keyboard driver og X or whatever that you have placed the parens {} [] () and <> (unshifted and shifted) in what used to be the 6YHN colum”
mod6: speaking of special keys in the middle, i suppose one could remap all of the maltron keys into the middle.
mod6: i considered getting one of these, but i wanted to try the concave thing first on something ~half the cost.
mod6: like all alum or steel?
mod6: if anyone could make one, it'd be you.
mod6: looks like they make stainless keyboards for industrial use
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 01:44 mircea_popescu: plowing tractors have special hydraulics to keep it in. lot of force, more than the pull.
BingoBoingo: lol, gabriel proposes alf secretary for a single benji while declining recurring and unbounded income to audience he proposed
trinque: pretty sure the chatter about this or that grandiose item is the whole bag.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 03:08 mod6: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it. I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb. What is your bid?
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform: exactly like how mircea_popescu gets food finer than the finest, costliest cook could reliably make for him for money
mircea_popescu: no man ever made a galleon, you understand, nor a manowar. these are made by 100s of people labouring over long hard years.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: what man can make with own two hands i have seen, it's a pleasure to ride, it sells for loads of money, but to fuck in the thing you have to be young and she has to be flexible.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 03:55 asciilifeform: funny how folx will spend quadrillions on idiot veblenisms and 0 on actual quality.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 00:56 asciilifeform: those aristos died of stupidity-- thinking that they were exempt from having to learn about money, similarly to modern brahmins 'exemption' from crypto
mircea_popescu: those dudes DID in fact pursue all sorts of (their version of) actual quality.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 03:08 mod6: !~later tell gabriel_laddel_p Let me know how much entropy you'd like, I'll run ent test & dieharder against it, let you decide if you want it. I'll ask 0.1 BTC per Gb. What is your bid?
mod6: Anyway, for that kinda asking price, i'd figure he could buy a bunch for himself anyway.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: But will he ever see the numbers YOURS produced in that GB?
BingoBoingo: How many eons will he have to run his many potential FG to collide over a GB of data yours produced?
BingoBoingo: How many universes will be born and die in that time"
mod6: anyway, the -otc days maybe came and went a long time ago. so gabriel_laddel_p might be sol.
trinque: "Suggested for you ?? Houston's top prostitution hot spots" >> not bad, google news
danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661290 << i can relate (in that I hate this world and everybody in it -- really. everybody. to be alone and sustaining would be heaven), and the answer is the Bible. I'm not saying you should stop doing the great work that you do. but that there is relief in the way you dream of in the world that is to come, if you are made to believe. If God could change my mind on this matter (which he did, i wa
☝︎☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 01:15 asciilifeform: 100% physically closed cycle, motherfuckers, on mars, if i could!1111
danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661461 << i eat this well. I buy food at the "oh that's too expensive" health food store (rather than the chain super market), and I cook it all myself (which I am very good at). It is expensive, sorta -- if you don't factor in the health care I don't have to pay for (because I don't get sick). if i ever found a girl worth marrying i could easily teach her how to do same, and have similar setup to
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 03:16 asciilifeform: exactly like how mircea_popescu gets food finer than the finest, costliest cook could reliably make for him for money
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Do you grow any portion of your own food yet?
BingoBoingo: It's an enjoyable past time. Plants take manure up front, but composted so less smell. Livestock constantly produces fresh smelly manure on the other avenue.
danielpbarron: the way i figure, i'm locked into this undesirable location enough with what technical goods i possess. if it got so bad i couldn't buy proper raw ingredients anymore, i'd be better off moving elsewhere anyway, which i would like to do before such an extreme situation
☟︎ danielpbarron: but shopping and cooking takes a lot of time from my day. i'm sure gardening would take more time than my shopping
BingoBoingo: Still, an indeterminate type tomato in a planter is hard to turn into a -ev proposition. "Juliet" cultivar in a 14 inch container produces a lot of produce
shinohai: Tomatoes (or the smallest of gardens, for that matter) have never been -ev thing for me, ever.
danielpbarron: that's true, i could probably do tomato with ease. and I recently got into making my own red sauce so this might be worth considering
☟︎ BingoBoingo: And if it exceeds parachute's weight limit, minimal pain should you abandon it.
BingoBoingo: Look into Juliet, San Marzano, and Roma in that order.
BingoBoingo: For seed sources you just want true to type, high germination rate, and no shitty extras
BingoBoingo: This late in the season in your neck of the woods probably safest to get a plant that's already started. One or two of the ubiquitous "Bonnie" 4 in peat pot starter plants would be fine and run ~2.50-4 USD a piece and give you a roughly 2 month head start.
BingoBoingo: At that size it will have outgrown any objectionable pesticides by the time its fruiting
BingoBoingo: And starting seeds can swiftly turn into the expensive part of very small scale tomato'ing
diana_coman planted cucumbers and the like last year simply for the child to see; not a lot of time spent on it, no
diana_coman: fwiw I have yet to meet someone who cooks for themselves who doesn't consider they cook "very well" (or better); it's when cooking for others that one can really tell whether they are good at it or not
☟︎ diana_coman: ha ha, of course; kid got them from the plant, washed, ate, what
danielpbarron: yes that's true. when scaling up the ratios have to change a little.
danielpbarron: but i have made food for others and they agree it is good
diana_coman: good; I'm just a bit surprised of all the emphasis here on ...cooking, lol; granted, I grew up with cooking being just usual everyday thing to do, just like waking up, washing etc but still
danielpbarron: also, i have eaten at every restaurant worth the mention in this state and i can say honestly my food is on par or better than the top three
☟︎ diana_coman: and yes, 4 year old child routinely helps in the kitchen too, not a big deal; cutting stuff, mixing dough etc
☟︎ danielpbarron: which perhaps says more of the horrible state of restaurants in this area. it shouldn't be the case that i can produce better than the professionals
☟︎ diana_coman: BingoBoingo, the cucumber plant was actually quite a hero: made dozens of cucumbers BUT it grew them to full size/ripened them *one at a time*; not an easy task apparently to make wholesome things even under rather favourable conditions as it were
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661461 << boatwright will still require good quality wood, and other things. and making a boat (unless it's viking style, which is no good in ocean) requires ~a lifetime. the limit on the age of sail was early industrial process.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu: no man ever made a galleon, you understand, nor a manowar. these are made by 100s of people labouring over long hard years.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 05:34 mircea_popescu: what man can make with own two hands i have seen, it's a pleasure to ride, it sells for loads of money, but to fuck in the thing you have to be young and she has to be flexible.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 09:41 danielpbarron: which perhaps says more of the horrible state of restaurants in this area. it shouldn't be the case that i can produce better than the professionals
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 03:17 asciilifeform: there is ~nothing~ that can remotely hold a candle to craftsmanship-with-your-own-hands-for-your-own-fucking-self
mircea_popescu: does sound like a better use of resources than further increasing 8ball.
mircea_popescu: it's utility is mostly for small (ie, under 10^9 or something) factors imo
mircea_popescu: sure, complete description of already found vulnerable mods can't hurt.
mircea_popescu: i reallty wanna see if each and every eulora player actually gargles water.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 07:36 mod6: Anyway, for that kinda asking price, i'd figure he could buy a bunch for himself anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely worth running on some of the more ocmmon luser architectures. very likely to discover 65536 wide keyspaces and shit.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 08:07 trinque: finally worth a damn
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 09:09 danielpbarron:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661290 << i can relate (in that I hate this world and everybody in it -- really. everybody. to be alone and sustaining would be heaven), and the answer is the Bible. I'm not saying you should stop doing the great work that you do. but that there is relief in the way you dream of in the world that is to come, if you are made to believe. If God could change my mind on this matter (which he did, i wa
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you gotta have a talk with your client, it's not ok to cut your overlong sentences, must send as multiline.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: not to mention, i was some variation of "LordMircea" in pretty much every game I ever played since forever, cuz wtf you gonna do for a nick. eventually, nel mezzo del camin, reality actually alligned, and the fantastic pseudonym became simply descriptive. what can you do.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661612 << depends. a pig sty is no one's idea of a good time (well, with exceptions i think we have illustrated in the logs) ; but something like your own orchard is very strictly speaking land improvement, about same value as a pool (larger footprint though). they were used as such by the romans in their estate retreats, there's extant manuals, this is a well documented concept.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 09:27 danielpbarron: the way i figure, i'm locked into this undesirable location enough with what technical goods i possess. if it got so bad i couldn't buy proper raw ingredients anymore, i'd be better off moving elsewhere anyway, which i would like to do before such an extreme situation
mircea_popescu: vegetable garden is a lot more fun if you make girls work it naked. i would rate such an item above the orchard.
mircea_popescu: between these two, you've covered the (imo) proper and useful homemade substitution in the food chain. nothing wrong with buying meat from the butcher -- tho it helps immensely if he's an actual butcher, as opposed to an employee of some franchise.
mircea_popescu: 3.677 ) rather than the idiot banks. and so on and so following, the key imo is to trade with independents rather than corporations.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661616 << sauce, incidentally, is the killer. don't eat the shop shit, no matter whjat it is. homemade mayo takes five minutes once you learn how to make it ; white sauce is extremely easy to make, if scary ; tomato sauce certainly doable esp if you have a sane electric stovetop. that is ALL the sauces, everything else is combinations.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 09:29 danielpbarron: that's true, i could probably do tomato with ease. and I recently got into making my own red sauce so this might be worth considering
mircea_popescu: i do buy worchestershire, in fairness, but that's not properly speaking a sauce.
mircea_popescu: whereas all prepackaged sauce is the same endless variation of "let's see which ways we could flavour margarine / substitutes"
mircea_popescu: though from experience russians a) never go alone (unless female, in which case they dun keep the money there anyway, if they ever get it) ; b) sorta delegate one to keep the dough.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 09:35 diana_coman: fwiw I have yet to meet someone who cooks for themselves who doesn't consider they cook "very well" (or better); it's when cooking for others that one can really tell whether they are good at it or not
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 09:41 diana_coman: and yes, 4 year old child routinely helps in the kitchen too, not a big deal; cutting stuff, mixing dough etc
mircea_popescu: i suspect it should go in the "normal development handbook", 4-5 yo with no interest in mother kitchen activities is prolly under 80 iq.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 09:40 danielpbarron: also, i have eaten at every restaurant worth the mention in this state and i can say honestly my food is on par or better than the top three
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 09:48 diana_coman: BingoBoingo, the cucumber plant was actually quite a hero: made dozens of cucumbers BUT it grew them to full size/ripened them *one at a time*; not an easy task apparently to make wholesome things even under rather favourable conditions as it were
jurov: *sigh* i keep getting calls from an UK number, as far as I understand, he's asking something about coinbr, when I ask them to come to irc/email he just says thank you. can't even fucking text, and not possible to call back
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661645 << because a) wood is still, to this day, the better material for the purpose, in the sense lee sedol is the better go player. note that these WERE YOUR OWN CONSTRAINTS! you despise "made to rust iron bottoms", which is outright idiotic but in the common vein of "alf has no clue but figures he can have oppinion". you do not wish to pay the price of industrial process. you stirctly spe
☝︎ mircea_popescu: raking said "i will use nothing but wood" yourself, as such.
mircea_popescu: and because b) everything else is harder to work with.
mircea_popescu: gotta decide if your idea is "nothing can beat self-same craftsmanship and i am willing to sink in the time" OR "i will sink in no time, give me whatever trhe fuck it is that takes no time and effort".
mircea_popescu: you can't have both of these at the same time, and duck behind one or the other depending which vein of solutions for your entirely psychogenic issue masquerading orally as a "technical problem" are being suggested.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman yup. also in the strange properties of materials. i once spent a half hour pouring water from one reciipeint to another.
diana_coman: oooh, yeah, did that playing with water and ~all pots and pans and anything else we could find, yeah; and he plays a LOT with water & ice, pouring&smashing etc
☟︎ mircea_popescu: good, let him do it, that's one mess actually worth cleaning up.
diana_coman: not even a mess, he's good with it : on top of bath tub
diana_coman: but he is what he is and it's not as if I don't know the thing
diana_coman: quite on the contrary really - I rather push so that he sees alternatives are also *possible and fine*
diana_coman: not against it as such, but as ...alternative; not the end of the world etc
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 13:33 asciilifeform:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661585 << these 'long hard years' people did not have laser cutters, water-jet cutters, ABS plastic & other modern nearly-indestructible (and intrinsically-buoyant ! in some cases) materials
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the places where craftsmanship makes sense are eg the tomato planters discussed above. yes they have tractors that plow, but these tractors do not plow planters. EXACT same principle applies making boats -- or for that matter silicone. you somehow seem to understand that if you want "artisanal computer" the correct approach is mechanical calculator ; and if you want oceanworth computer gotta have the foundry, ra
mircea_popescu: ther than some bits and pieces of a foundry installed in your kitchen.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 05:33 mircea_popescu: basically you picked the simplest one thing that dun work.
mircea_popescu: plastic IS used in boatsmaking, but it is specially made plastic, for the purpose.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is not how destructibvle it is, problem is that it's ~unjoinable. plastic boarts are generaslly whole hull.
mircea_popescu: one day i want to see your "plain glass lenses cemented with cyanoacrylate -- it's transparent!!1" collection of telescopes.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-13 22:02 asciilifeform: and holyfuq, the norland thing took almost hour of uv to cure, vs the advertised 10sec
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
mircea_popescu: there's no argument against that ; nor is there any argument against the principle.
mircea_popescu: but just because you're the prince of alflandia does not mean you can simply walk into an unknown barrio and talk smack at the locals.
mircea_popescu: which is what you're doing. you wanna go there, go there. intel, muscle, the works.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what veblenwood is supposed to be, nor is it part of this conversation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll need more basis for that besides "i'm alf and i dun like it". the ocean's been there longer than you have.
mircea_popescu: this bad habit of having a firm idea of the solution to a problem you don't either understand or bother specifying.
mircea_popescu: oh i see, you're one of those, will build spaceship out of cheese and power with fresh milk because you got a dairy farm ?
jurov: why they don't build houses with plastic sheets and epoxy, then?
mircea_popescu: you mean the same lizards who provide the fire dept services your "house" utterly needs ?
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if boats were made of plastic the MTBS would be a week, and the "lizards" runnin the coast guard would charge you.
mircea_popescu: no. this is what fd does in "ourdemocracy" : like in latin empire, demolishes the one on fire to save the ones not yet caught.
mircea_popescu: and they ALSO charge what that cost in rome. ~whole value of house.
mircea_popescu: things work the way they work because that's the way they work not because alien dragons from outer space.
jurov: btw, why not just raft from pet bottles?
mircea_popescu: though honestly, could also be made of pet bottles, arranged the other way. that'd help buoyancy!
mircea_popescu: truly unsinkable, also, because so what if you lose a few cells.
mircea_popescu: this is way the fuck better than anything you came up with so far, and we're not even trying. nor pretending to be keeping a blog about it, a la orlol.
mircea_popescu: eh, again with this. no, boat != wood. boat AS DEFINED BY ALF, however, = wood.
mircea_popescu: remember ? you didn't like the correct solution (metal) because... you don't have a cnc mill. and that's a fucking criteria in design now, what the fuck engineer has lying about and perceives underutilized, esp if he happens to thin kit's cvool.
mircea_popescu: then you come and whine about all the boost in bitcoin and all the java everywhere. guess what ? they were building alfboatsd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because your brain dun work. half the roofs in the world are made of metal, no rust. if you get operated on they'll uyse what, fucking abs tools ? "oh, can cut with laser!11"
mircea_popescu: industrial corrosive contaioners are all metal, from 10 gallon milk jugs to what have you. rust my fucking left food omfg.
mircea_popescu: it'll be better for boatbuilding than the plastic cutting item.
phf: afaik they already build boats out of abs (cheap leisure boats, entry level yachts, as well as high end competitive stuff). in all cases it's different abs, and not necessarily stuff you buy from conveyer (stuff you buy from conveyer cracks)
mircea_popescu: the actual yacht which you can actually keep fucktoys on, which costs about 5 to 10 mn, does in point of fact take the labour of a thousand men over their lives. except we got tools to do it faster and cheaper.
mircea_popescu: to qualify in an argument with a fellow who routinely proceeds to idiocy on the level of "metal rusts" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: and the most bitter fruit of this entire tree of idiocy being that in six months to a year, we'll be right back to "oh, orlol boat and lizzards are keeping the hydrogen engine under wraps".
☟︎ phf: i know i know, this thread is extremely frustrating. it's your classic armchair trolling "if i was building my way would totally work" well build then "i don't have time to deal with this stuff, but everyone else is an idiot"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 14:52 mircea_popescu: plastic IS used in boatsmaking, but it is specially made plastic, for the purpose.
mircea_popescu: and no, you're not going to come off the cuff with something meaningful to say in that converesation, because you have no clue about the design space or the constraints. exactly like i have to tell you how a fucking tractor works to plow a fucking field. and so fucking on.
mircea_popescu: no. but i have bought, you understand, BOUGHT boats and land and farms and horses and people and everything else. and i dun fucking like being george costanza, for random idiots to sell me "johnson rods" while fixing my car. so i spent my life essentially building endless lengthy lists of how everything works and why., EVERYTHING.
mircea_popescu: it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: no. bought and for this purpose i have at least the basic idea of how shit works, and why. because i gotta know why am i paying this much.
mircea_popescu: yes, well, the leap in domain was not made by courtiers sitting around going "i bet you could totally use the philosopher\s stone to make aluminum cheap"
mircea_popescu: as i said, the principle of technical improvements isn't at issue here. your miserable discoursive and i'm starting to fear mental habits are.
mircea_popescu: just consider the sad circumstance that you don't like x because of y property you happen to have heard of ; but you have no clue z has problem p. as a for instance, nobody seems to have ever mentuioned to you that plastic boats have a very fixed "open sea" time. and if you knew what it was you wouldn't like it. which is why rich people still buy wood yachts for pleasure.
mircea_popescu: which is also why whenever the boat is intended to stay unattended in blue water for mn seconds sort of thing, it's always metal.
mircea_popescu: a boat a certain size has a certain mass. this is not related to anything else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you're taking a child's view of water. it's not the fucking proofing that's at issue, is structural problems induced by having a force vectror that's substantial, constant, and randomly changing direction. that's why metal excels, it can take random load like that. plastic can't. wood soprt-of can, maybe.
mircea_popescu: ferroconcrete deals with wind. plastic reinforced in the (expensive!) manner you describe might very well lose adherence because too much variance between the plastic and the spines, you'll end up with it being raked, practicvally. which is the point of the lens cement comment -- you must have VERY CLOSE materials. lest the mix gets warm or something.
mircea_popescu: dude i wouldn't give less of a shit, for all i care every two bit social worker case can make a pile of garbage / empty bottles and go sailing into the sunset. what's it to me ?
mircea_popescu: i turn down more invitations to yacht!!! than i accept, by a large margin, and if i go it's cuz the girls and little more. who the fuck in his right mind wants to be on the ocean idly like that. island ++ lawds have mercy.
mircea_popescu: cuz the poor man's mating strategy includes a "cop", which wortks by rarity, and an "isolate", which the ocean makes available.
mircea_popescu: "hey, baby, what you doin' sat night ? wanna come to YACHT ?!?!" she's more likely to break her pomodoro dinner date to go on a yacht than vice versa. then it's a "well, i'm horny and there's only one dick here, i guess i like this guy. else i'm a whore. i'm totally not a whore though, so i really like him."
mircea_popescu: every teen female starts life with this mindset, sure.
mircea_popescu: works out in practice as well as it does. anyway -- nothing wrong with poor man's solutions, iuf understood as such and used as part of an actually figured out plan.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> why they don't build houses with plastic sheets and epoxy, then? << If alf does PVC or CPVC he can skip the epoxy and go straight to solvent welding!
mircea_popescu: the principal advantage of the garbage raft is that the broken outer cells (and they will break) provide a sort of damming for the inner cells. might be worth money, this.
jurov: BingoBoingo: you mean toluene?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz you want to save in linens by keeping the womenz naked which means tropical waters.
mircea_popescu: god help tyou if your makeshift item catches an arctic storm.
mircea_popescu: alf will bombard maryland from atop his nuclear pykrete submersible aircraft.
jurov: (*) submersible only once
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the wood that a proper boat supposedly 'must' be made of. << There are good reasons for this must. Things grow in water that eat lesser woods. Alternative is PT boat that is going to leach preservative everywhere and then get ate by the sea
jurov: petbottle raft plated with aluminium can foil, yay
jurov: inconel too expensive, no?
BingoBoingo: <jurov> BingoBoingo: you mean toluene? << Whatever's in the little containers they sell at every plumbing supply store
mircea_popescu: lol check out where the political discussion was actually to be found. alf wants the elements to enlist in tmsr, help behead empire.
jurov: let's bikeshed this. does tmsr have a flag to put on the dirigible?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, there's good reason warships are still made with steel. Resists pirate gun.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you're missing the point -- maybe there's other people on the ocean you sail on, but on the ocean alf's boat would sail on there's nobody. that's why he's even doing this, to "put distance". this can be had for the asking, because really, world wouldn't fucking dare not satisfy such perfectly reasonable request.
mircea_popescu: not like the only fucking reason we even bother with math is that UNLIKE reality, it allows for large empty spaces.
mircea_popescu: the categories aren't very clearly divided in practice ; and plenty of precedent.
jurov: wasn't there plenty of precedent in ostblok?
jurov: like, cars to be finished at home
mircea_popescu: of building badly designed pet projects that didn't work irl but were reported to workl anyway ? o yeah.
mircea_popescu: at-home subsidizing. though in modernity that function is mostly covered by the inca.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, it is becoming clear that TMSR.boat prolly ought to be made out of nylon reinforced hydraulic cement with schedule 80 CPV reinforcing frame
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo if ever driven into land -- doubles as house.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everything that is OFFERED, to all comers, to "make themselves" is, definitionally, industrializable.
BingoBoingo: AHA, Plant flag exert soverign, COLLECT RENT from occupied territory
mircea_popescu: it doesn't say "all beings" , it says "all comers". they come on their own power, they're comers.
mircea_popescu: if i don't have to know anything specific about you, it's not a restaurant, it's a diner ; it's not a tailor, it's a pret a porter ; and it's not a skillful product, it's an item that's not worth building.
mircea_popescu: yeah, there are exceptions, such as notably "trainer items". you can buy sportscar kits these days for instancer, so rich kids can graduate from getting lego set for 6th birthday to getting a carbox on their 16th. by the time they get it together they have a permit too.
mircea_popescu: also, if your spare time is not monetizable you are not a person and don't belong. i don't mean here, i mean living, at all. #1 reason to off self.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is, yes. same -ev as feeding your pets is.
mircea_popescu: and i've yet to meet a rich dude who had kids for which i'd pay to own what he paid to build.
mircea_popescu: there was no consideration given to amount. the argument was qualitative not quantitative.
mircea_popescu: if you "cant" do anything useful you're ~redditard/wikipedia editor/open source contributor etc. really, no reason to be here, no room for you here, go awya.
mircea_popescu: this theory is how asciilifeform pays wash dc rents, also.
mircea_popescu: no. but "x dun work, y theoretically might" is how cattle ends up in ranch.
mircea_popescu: of course it theoretically might. the theory is tailored to the intended audience. "by their lights" it seems to make sense.
mircea_popescu: and note that i didn't "immediately think". you asked me "what would be point of poorman yacht" and i correctly said whoring. rich people use them for sport, but i don't see you racing your concoction. if for no other reason then because regattas are always fulla hopeful hos, and generally very crowded.
mircea_popescu: i'm not, nor do i give a shit. but by some definitions of "public" (ie, i'm lazy, let it come to me) fg is also not public. whereas what people are working on is not really the public's problem anyway.
mircea_popescu: maybe someone somewhere is working on this, maybe they aren't, it's not the sort of question ima decide sitting here.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: Error: "yandex" is not a valid command.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 14:39 diana_coman: oooh, yeah, did that playing with water and ~all pots and pans and anything else we could find, yeah; and he plays a LOT with water & ice, pouring&smashing etc
jurov: i dont remember using anything microsoft from here
jurov: no, i see it in 1st. archive.is on 2nd
jurov: why? archive.is forwards my cookies or what?
mircea_popescu: jurov actually does request as forwarded from your ip.
mircea_popescu: that's why iot can even see google in the first place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dun take my word for it, make page that returns request and archive it.
mod6:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661674 << was thinking there, for those who would want it, a model where guy asks for N bytes of entropy via FG. would generate N bytes. base64 encode the binary entropy file (similar to trb deps), place the sha512 output hash of the base64 decoded file along with the ent & dieharder output in a clearsigned message, then PGP encrypt it to the requester.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 13:58 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-25#1661592 << not in principle. maybe the reserve is a little high, maybe the concept is too soon ; certainly he can't pay and it's somewhat dubious to explain why he should. but hey, gotta start sometime/somehow/somewhere.
mircea_popescu: might work as a bot service. esp once trinque finishes payments.
mod6: maybe charge by the byte, or jiggabyte. something. have to figure out what the market is willing to bear as a price tho.
mircea_popescu: i suspect most of the .1 btc you came up with is payment friction, rather than anything else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they can distill it from their keyboard, if that's what they want.
mircea_popescu: could take the logs and sha them a billion times, whatever.
mod6: well, i figured, im not really sure I do this anyway, but lets make a market. i'll say .1, he'll say .0001 and somewhere, we hvae price discovery.
mircea_popescu: you don't know what stupid shit gpg does to it while encrypting.
mod6: anyway, just throwing it out there.
mircea_popescu: you recall, the item with the sha-1 "fingerprints" etc.
mircea_popescu: you can not promise gpg is just aes. neither can they.
mircea_popescu: iuf thyey want prng, they can has. if they do not, they can has. rest is really not my problem.
mircea_popescu: if they're happy with hash(x) can get entropy right now by curl google.com > sha512sum.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and fucking is also intrinsically promisetronic. so what of it ? most of the things we do and enjoy are founded onm promise.
mircea_popescu: mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: 7393bd23794cf8175da5d2dd3f3bb47a7c340bf20cc6ef1f5dd871204119d86988e37b0e32c9b7665a05bd3912a8f83f3bebe3c2c7fc20ff177219ef35c47c25 << random number based on curl
http://btcbase.org/log/ | sha512sum ; as primo as it gets!
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 i'd imagine price'd work out to somewthing like double the commercial cost of bw, or somesuch. << sure, something. > than 0 tho.
mod6: and as far as "sample" perhaps that's not how it works. maybe like via trinque's thing or something. but i agree, there is some sort of model here.
mod6: i can't know who would want this, but i'd imagine i wouldn't discriminate on who would want it. just as long as they PAY.
mod6: there is a bar to entry. the bar is N btc high.
mircea_popescu: might be a market in "Certified entropy" simply because of how bureaucracy works.
mircea_popescu: kinda how this works. by the timpe peopple pay bots here for rng, we're simply owning the world and no more. which is why i said maybe premature.
trinque: asciilifeform: in re beggers and target market, folks did get rich owning the world, as mircea_popescu said
trinque putting a great deal of thought into the payment thing precisely because that sort of side channel is likely to be the unwashed masses way to pay, forevermore
trinque: thread's been had a couple times, ^
mod6: yeah, could even be an eulora auction daily
trinque: lords move gold and peons move digits in db
mircea_popescu: mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place.
mod6: i actually looked at it lastnight to see if I could start my own auction for this exactly.
mircea_popescu: (auction <opening bid (coppers)> <duration (hours)> <item/lot>) -- e.g. !Qauction 3,5mn 2 57 IMP CH, d 32197 ea
mod6: put up 1.5Gb of entropy... start the bidding at say 1mn ecu
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 trinque: there was another thread where it was discussed that the common person would merely operate out of an account held by his lord, and everyone bobbled heads at that because the framing felt good.
a111: Logged on 2016-09-10 03:53 mircea_popescu: well if it's discussed with slavegirls and a great pink fuzzy harem with soft velvety marbles and foggy complex pools... then yes@
trinque: can't find original, just a ref
trinque: this though seems in line with the fact that not everyone owns his own ass.
mircea_popescu: original is likely the trilema piece about "Future of bitcoin", predicting how people are going to do the most stuipid thing, and explaining how it's not for fucking sneakers.
trinque: aha, undoutably trilema first
mod6: and ask like that might never catch a bid, but market will meet somewhere, will sell into highest bids, etc.
mircea_popescu is vaguely amused at how wanna-be ronin slavegirl imagines "there's a lo of cryptocurrencies now". ie, there's n oconspiracy needed, the poor idiots will simply HALLUCINATE the poor idiot world. be it there or not.
mod6: yup. indeed. there are many fgs, and lots of enterprising people out there.
trinque: mircea_popescu: important point that, otherwise folks run around thinking bitcoin will fix all the social problems by itself.
trinque: teh "anarchocapitalist" fucktards and so on.
mircea_popescu: maybe. though this would be more like "price of lap dance". which is not 0.
mod6: but it's crossed my mind a number of times since i started testing these things.
mircea_popescu: if they share them or not... hey, they don't share fucking textbooks.
mircea_popescu: point remains, you can watch some guy gettiung a lapdance for free. same here, won't have your name on it, that's all.
shinohai staring at teaser tits ..... "I'd like to buy your most expensive bottle of champagne"
shinohai: asciilifeform: igolder used to do that I think.
shinohai: That entire site is a lulz farm, and was proffered as the easiest way to do gpg on reddit darknet,makets page
trinque: asciilifeform: how do you square that with other threads where "will someday be rare to own a computer"
shinohai: Sure, what could possibly go wrong?
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure what this is about. you have some sort of objection to other people platying with the bots or ?
trinque: just sounds like it comes from a notion of flat social topology
mircea_popescu: i can conceive that i'd trust x to rng more than i'd trust myself, in some conditions.
mircea_popescu: should i need entropy i'd rather wotbuy it than os-"make" it
mircea_popescu: not at 0.1 btc, certainly, but as mod6 points out, not 0 either.
mircea_popescu: if it did fit, it did fit, and if it didn't fit it's not there.
trinque: thread can be generalized to cost-benefit-analysis of establishing trust vs handcrafting
mircea_popescu: and obviously "oh but x could backstab you". yes, he could. and in the process give me proof he did.
trinque ranks "I live in an arena where men stand on their names." as only dream
trinque: gotta then have the game, and have people cut down on reputation, and etc
mircea_popescu: "water -- literally falls from the sky, and he BUYS it." afghan would have a lulz.
lobbes: (+mircea_popescu) mod6 i can't imagine lobbes 's have any issue lending the bot, once this is all in place. << yeah, no issue here. I'd be honored to have genuine entropy traded via bot
mircea_popescu: anyway. the overarching point is that risk per se is not the problem. unmanageable risk, of the sort that arises in poorly defined situations, is the problem. which is why open source is fundamentally useless, be it in the fdorm of ubuntu, or wikipedia. who do i negrate ?
mircea_popescu: "the whole thing, mp" "yeah well, that happened three seconds in."
mircea_popescu: old царь-государь press law was plain : author, responsible ; if can't be found, editor ; if can't be fouind , owenr ; if can't be found - typograpgher.
mircea_popescu: the principle is solid : the fact that someone from stanford published a shitty piece means THE WHOLE USG is now negrated, if there's not a lower node to negrate.
mircea_popescu: which is why "open source" is fundamentally useless. the poor idiots trying to hallucinate the poor idiot world where they can't be cut down for being poor idiots.
deedbot: NoMyName voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: NoMyName: Who is your daddy and what does he do?
NoMyName: My daddy is dead, but he was a very fine doctor, and taught me the value of knowing things.
NoMyName: I have seen your name everywhere in the blogs of record. Bingo! Boingo! Are you a person, or a bot?
NoMyName: otay, that was not a bot answer...
NoMyName: Ok, I know what a lemma is, I have had the occasional quandry, I don't know what the three premises are?
NoMyName: $700 for a pad with one function?
trinque: not a bad resolution for fonts.
trinque: only use I'd have for such a thing
jurov: i hoped you say it can be rooted or something
Framedragger: from initial glance looks like (unrooted version) works *just* with pdfs?
Framedragger: aha i guess that's the main uh political bottleneck
BingoBoingo: In other news negrodamus finished sync experiment a few days ago for a roughly 6 month sync time in the wild with spinning rust. Is at present mostly keeping up (i.e. 3 blocks behind atm)
jurov: i had and experiment too, in 3 months went up to 420k blocks, but found out the cheapo ssd failed
jurov: total_lba_writen about 40T
jurov: patriot spark 256g
jurov: waiting in warranty claim atm
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 17:42 asciilifeform: while we're on subj, i'll say that there is probably a good reason why most commercial faux-rng makers don't offer a sample download.
Framedragger: oooh nice. /me yet to generate 1gb+ of entropy, will post when that's done
trinque: imma just xor all your posts together for the rest of my life.
trinque: I like to live dangerously
jurov: idea: what about providing fuckgoat output in realtime, as tcp stream. maybe i'll do when i get some
jurov: um...signing that would be problematic, then
Framedragger: i guess no way to use luby code or equivalent on tcp huh
Framedragger: asciilifeform: on second thought, i didn't have an idea in mind. i just thought "huh, how to have continuous/streaming verification of data, i.e. not have to send data in signed *chunks* (if want to have verified/signed data)"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger it's just "in principle", aka "only happens to niggers, couldn't happen here, we're pravoslavniks!"
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 22:16 asciilifeform: previously i thought that you could not have an auditable single-crystal rng, but possibly this is not so : if you make it so that only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up, you can 'yoke'-audit 2 units by placing back to back around test source.
mircea_popescu: " only co-incident (on 2 detectors) gamma is picked up" requires i break fundamental qm.
mircea_popescu: if it interacts, it changes. after it set one, no longer same gamma photon.
mircea_popescu: this is almost better than the nuclear pykrete submersible aircraft.
mircea_popescu: you will... know because you measure the distance, and because no masking epiphenomena may exist ? really ? because your clocks work so well that they can be used against photons themselves, and calipers ditto ?
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't want to do it again. this is a cosmo kramer idea.
mircea_popescu: "here's something else than what i was talking about doing something else than what i was talking about, therefore."
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didja see the list of hated business i posted a few days ago?
ben_vulpes: the church is maintaining its own hit list now
ben_vulpes: it's progress you see, they weren't going far enough before
ben_vulpes: you know, the church of progress where you pray, self-flagellate, to eudaly and hardesty et al for wisdom and guidance
ben_vulpes: because you have no god, you athiest, and cannot think for yourself, you american
ben_vulpes: you were born poor and life sucked for you, quelle surprise
mircea_popescu: right right, because it's irreproducible AND THEREFORTE VALUABLE.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck their thinkers work i have no idea, but probably something with symmetrical scintillations.
ben_vulpes: see also "i don't check my privilege, i /leverage/ it."
ben_vulpes: "ah see you'd have to be a cis het shitlord for it to make sense."
ben_vulpes: my dark powers come from a lifetime of sin
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, in the dinner date conversation ideas, "who'd win a fight between the greatest douchecanoe and the worst shitlord ???"
mircea_popescu: or did "douchecanoe" fail coinage ? i recall all sorta sheilas pushing it pretty hard a few years back.
a111: and i didn't even need to bring any tools!
ben_vulpes: only tool i need in this life i keep between my legs
a111: to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: yes, but I'm neg-rated by MP so cannot up myself
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: -2 by 2 connections.
gabriel_laddel_p: also hard drive died last night, so have to auth via a systemrescuecd + usb which sorta sucks
a111: Logged on 2016-01-22 21:56 gabriel_laddel: I found 20 XC6216-2HQ240Cs
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 15:19 mircea_popescu: it may not be the end all be all, but if you fail to impress me with your idea, you don't have an idea. absolute minimum bar, the master's eye which fattens the cows.
gabriel_laddel_p: would just move to tijuana Mexico and go to some parties, tell people you're a technician / chemist
gabriel_laddel_p: if the cartel's knew even simple things like "most of our product is chiral" they could sell a lot more
gabriel_laddel_p: d-amphetamine is WAYYY better & an easy sell, but not available on the market
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: they don't want to end up in jail any more than you do
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: stands in direct contradiction to my own experience, but w/e
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: if I had experience with the cartel's I'd be making money in the way described above.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: go buy some cocaine sometime. or amphetamine of any description
gabriel_laddel_p: you CANNOT buy d-amphetamine, or any of the enantiomers / diastereomers of meth / cocaine.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: most of the people buying have no idea, they just know "white powder makes me feel good"
gabriel_laddel_p: so you search around the chemical space to find the most potent white powder == sell more
gabriel_laddel_p: fwiw, I'd like to apologize for the spelling errors above. on an apple computer & it spell corrects me / removes text / sends messages I didn't intend to send. Eg, "incidentally ascii" was supposed to be prefaced with "Amen. "
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 15:14 mircea_popescu: and the most bitter fruit of this entire tree of idiocy being that in six months to a year, we'll be right back to "oh, orlol boat and lizzards are keeping the hydrogen engine under wraps".
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 01:18 asciilifeform: it was a very strange experience, like having a contract killer sent for you who worked his whole life in a slaughterhouse and literally expects you to behave EXACTLY like cow, to simply walk up to where he has the ~stationary~ stun hammer
ben_vulpes: eh, cartels just kidnap and enslave technicians. what employ.
mod6: why buy the cow if you get the milk for free?
shinohai: !~later tell BingoBoingo Saifedean Ammous (The guy ripped apart by diana_coman one Sunday in logs ) is upset that my latest Qntra did not attribute his quote. Please advise how to proceed.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
deedbot: 2017/04/02 08:26:34 <saifedean> in any case, these only inform the last couple of chapters of the book. the rest is mostly economic history and austrian economics on sound money and its perks & fiat money and its disasters
a111: Logged on 2017-05-25 22:47 asciilifeform still finds it interesting that g_l did not ask re the rng sample .
shinohai: "A conference sponsored by the Ethereum,1 Dash,2 and Ripple3 scams produces an agreement on how to scale Bitcoin". <<< twas him from twitter
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: in any case, happy to make a PGPGRAM at whatever point verifying that indeed, it is me using this nick.
trinque: y'know we already have a process for doing just that.
shinohai: I think I forgot to add the archive.is to his tweet, article underwent revision before published.