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mod6: ok actually, around pretty much for the rest of the night.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: do we wish to preserve http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/best_of_mpoe-pr in new wiki ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 aite i'll see if i can stand up.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i guess so. prolly shouldn't delete much unless it's actually wrong.
mircea_popescu: and in other boobs, http://67.media.tumblr.com/2cf489cec7e1e5c79b02f9c53a1e8306/tumblr_n63cqhLGz81sdl3kwo1_250.gif
shinohai: mkay
shinohai: Are those chopsticks on her tongue?
mircea_popescu: aha
shinohai: Creative.
mod6: nn
mod6: *nb
mod6: how's it goin Mr. P.? How can I help.
mircea_popescu: mod6 so how do i create a ticket ?
mod6: you can just `./t.pl tickets.txt add` and it'll prompt you from the cli.
mircea_popescu: and then how would you see it ?
mod6: i may add new ways to do this in the not too distant future. either via bot, or perhaps by just like piping in the info in from the cli.
mod6: when you're done adding/editing or deleteing a ticket, just print them if you wish `./t.pl tickets.txt p`
mod6: or if you know the id number, do `./t.pl tickets.txt pid <TICKET_ID>`
mircea_popescu: mod6 how about if there was a ticket bot ; and we had a website, a la deedbot.org, where tickets could be seen ; and we had acess control based on pgp, so that either world, lordship, or specified people can see a particular ticket set ?
mircea_popescu: so everyone who wants shit done by, say, btcbase, can put tickets in btcbase rather than put them here and hope they won't be forgotten in the log.
mircea_popescu: and then whoever's maintaining the thing, can read through em, when working on it.
mod6: sounds great to me. i was just talking about stripping down atcbot and reusing the skeleton to build a bot for this.
mod6: trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: truth is by now i'm not even sure exactly how many distinct projects we're managing, but it's over a dozen, and will only keep growing. gotta import some management tools into all this, casual worked long enough
mod6: for sure.
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly having another bot would be very good for resiliency in my eyes.
mod6: cool. i'll make that the next step. getting it to be botified.
mircea_popescu: however, a major point of collaboration imo, would be if everyone who runs bots (ie, deedbot, yours putatively, etc) ALSO keep logs, and provide phf with passive redundancy ☟︎
mircea_popescu: rather than him having to make logger bots *m
mircea_popescu: you'd have to give him sql access to a log db.
mod6: i guess it seems reasonable.
mod6: so, make 'tbot' for instance. then allow people to create tickets under whatever project they want.
mod6: as long as they're in the wot.
mircea_popescu: the pgp permissioning being perhaps the trickiest part of it all. but ideally iut'd work like
mod6: yeah, that part will be a huge pain.
mircea_popescu: $tbot btcbase wot would result in a dump of the ticketlist for btcbase encrypted to my key that's of level world and level wot.
mod6: well, maybe not huge, but yeah, most painful.
mircea_popescu: whereas $bot deedbot me would result in a dump of ticketlist for deedbot encrypted to my key that's of level world and wot and me.
mod6: aha. gotcha
mircea_popescu: and i should be able to add tickets in the same sense, either public or wot or specified persons by encrypting it to bot's key.
mircea_popescu: all this make sense in your head ?
mod6: conceptually.
mircea_popescu: well alright then
mod6: not sure how i'd do the encrypting part and keep it sec with minimal cost.
mod6: where minimal ~0.
mod6: anyway, i think it's some thing i can work up to.
mircea_popescu: yeah. that's the iffiest part.
mod6: i do like this idea though.
mircea_popescu: truth be told, even without permissioning it'd be pretty useful. that's more like a sort of you know, experimental wunderwaffen division, why not ask for things, see what happens.
mod6: now.. deedbot might have the infrastructure already in place to make this easier.
mod6: yeah, exactly.
mod6: i think it's a fine idea, Sir.
mircea_popescu: quite possibly, see what trinque says. running two bots does not necessarily mean one must write two bots. ☟︎
shinohai: heh mod6 this is too awesum :D
mircea_popescu: totally going that way huh shinohai
mod6: :]
shinohai: Absolutely one of the most useful tools in Bitcoinspace hands down
mod6: there really are so many things going on, and many more to come, we gotta be able to track this stuff.
mircea_popescu recalls the humble beginnings when we came up with the nutty idea of having a bot do voicing in chan. that was never going to work.
mircea_popescu: coupla years later...
mod6: truth
mircea_popescu: it totally did not work what can i say.
mod6: haha
mod6: thanks for your input here, i think it takes a simple idea and scales it up nice.
shinohai: I've been lurking here almost a year now, good things happen here that just do not happen elsewhere.
mod6: 'tis the difference between a republic that people want to be a part of and want to work, and an ad-hoc gaggle of people "doing stuff"
shinohai: "We're just ideaz guyz"
shinohai: Yup, I registered on May 25, 2015 ... how time flies. I thank you all for the knowledge I have gained in said time.
mod6: Thank *you* for your hardwork!
shinohai: np, no good thing comes without hard work and trials
mod6: "A republic, if you can keep it"
mod6: where ``keep it'' invoves doing the hard, useful things that need doing.
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-05-2016 <<< congrats to asciilifeform for most lines posted yesterday LOL
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/247510B.txt << don't die of laughter.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: $up indoor_jellyfish
deedbot: indoor_jellyfish voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nope.
indoor_jellyfish: Does anyone know of a document that explains the linux boot process in detail? I've lisp code that builds /a/ ResuceCD (http://paste.lisp.org/display/315833) but not /the/ ResuceCD needed for Masamune.
indoor_jellyfish: ie, it the current process doesn't package together the existing libraries / binaries /sources on disk into the bootable USB, and instead uses my re-write of "Roll your own ResueCD" (https://www.phenix.bnl.gov/~purschke/RescueCD/)
indoor_jellyfish: which uses and unpacked archive of binaries from the author of that blog post
indoor_jellyfish: I don't really understand how the C linker or the rest of the linux "toolkit" works (eg, chroot) and a detailed explanation of how I would arrange a set of files + binaries, bundle them and generate a minimal bootable USB would go a long way.
indoor_jellyfish is gabriel_laddel
indoor_jellyfish: without such a document, the masamune replication will get done, but it'll take a while..
BingoBoingo: http://tipthepizzaguy.com/stories/story431.htm
punkman: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel https://0xax.gitbooks.io/linux-insides/content/Booting/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: punkman these look like kernel innards, gabriel was asking more about userspace
jurov: funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted
jurov: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel you'll definitely need this: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Custom_Initramfs
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: jurov, dunno looks like it covers the whole thing
mircea_popescu: jurov> funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted <<< thinking about it i dun think a proper source exists, outside of carder forums or w/e equiv. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: maybe good move for gabriel_laddel to actually post that thing on his blog once he makes it.
mircea_popescu: o hey, paymium now joins bitstamp on the list of wanna-be bitcoin exchanges that email spam. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466138 << aaaaaaassctually ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 13:09 mircea_popescu: jurov> funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted <<< thinking about it i dun think a proper source exists, outside of carder forums or w/e equiv.
asciilifeform: it is in the logz!
asciilifeform: my pogotron had it all...
asciilifeform: srsly
mircea_popescu: oh right you are huh.
shinohai: I managed to make my own gentoo livecd a few weeks ago ... I used the roll-your-own initramfs thing like jurov posted earlier
phf: asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.jpg ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466148 << whole set?!!?? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 14:04 phf: asciilifeform: http://glyf.org/tmp/foo.jpg
phf: yes
asciilifeform: where?
asciilifeform: djvu or it neverhappened (tm) (r)
phf: there's really too much documents for my lowly eos 5d, but i'm going for teh ic schematics and such. it's mostly like "here's how you machine part 560345 front left hinge"
asciilifeform: how many schmidts you had to kill to get these!
mircea_popescu: check him out ?
mircea_popescu: phf care to qntra ? :)
phf: no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip ☟︎
phf: like there are cable assemblies, that are handy for repairs or new construction, that i just don't have time to capture
mircea_popescu: what's the constraint ?
phf: he still has open maintenance contracts
phf: while the bulk is software, a dwindling part of it is repairs and console upkeep
phf: the intended purpose is to help lispm owners maintain systems on their own since the number of available parts is basically two stables in a barn and those are going to the usual suspects
phf: and since asciilifeform is a lispm owner i don't see particularly reason why s.nsa shouldn't have access to it
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466158 << there is one possible boojum that i know of: ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 14:19 phf: no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip
asciilifeform: most of the 'good stuff' was GAL listings
asciilifeform: rather than schematics
asciilifeform: as smbx was among the first outfits to use synthesized logic
asciilifeform: i'll be quite surprised if these are to be found in the papers david s releases to machine owners
asciilifeform: and they are what is needed to replicate the thing on fpga.
asciilifeform: (either that or the 'snap4' emulator source code) ☟︎
phf: that's true, but those are not lost either
mircea_popescu: this is pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: $rated phf
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated phf 3 at 3668926147 << Teh desire has been expressed and heard!
phf: the main constraint is those same open maintenance contracts, but ultimately guy wants all that stuff preserved
mircea_popescu: $rate phf 4 Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history.
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/r/0baf9bd9-c8df-4128-bb9b-76e198b226be/
mircea_popescu: $v 5B32D3412CCCD6B40CAE1CC564C953BE033C546D99BD1E35C62E449B93BCA1E2
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of phf from 3 to 4 << Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history.
asciilifeform: phf: last thing dks said to me was that the rights to the whole shebang were bought at auction by prof j mallery of mit/nsa.
asciilifeform: or rather, he admitted that they were sold, but did not say to whom, i discovered through other informants
phf: i know that mallery owns the entire software side, no idea where the vlsi falls, but afaiu that's the reason why nobody's doing anything with the assets
phf: but after shuffling "assembly" and "harness" papers for two days i know for a fact that some dedicated japanese man will be able to lovingly carve an smbx replica as his chosen otaku hobby
asciilifeform: l0l
asciilifeform: phf: the vlsi falls squarely in the software side afaik
asciilifeform: it existed almost entirely as src text
asciilifeform: ditto the synthesis system
asciilifeform: (smbx had this, apparently, before ~anybody else, though today it is sop)
asciilifeform: a smbx box actually contained not 1 but ~3~ computers
asciilifeform: the lispm itself, the 'fep' (which did disk/tape/etc. i/o, and was its own m68k machine) plus another m68k in the console
asciilifeform: it might be possible to recreate the last 2 from the schematics.
asciilifeform: fwiw.
phf: there are some funny comments about t.i. people on the margins
asciilifeform: the largest competitor, aha
asciilifeform: (ti sold what was mostly a straight miniature clone of the original mit lispm)
asciilifeform: i will note that there are no unusual cables (other than the long triax console cable) in my lispm
asciilifeform: the internals are mostly on the backplane.
asciilifeform: (disk is on a st-506 cable but the pinout is public and you can buy the cable on, e.g., ebay)
asciilifeform: dc power supply (a monster, iron box in the machine) was made by 3rd party and has labeled screw terminals
asciilifeform: the last true smbx box, xl1200, actually had standard scsi in it.
asciilifeform: (and the 'macivory' product that sat in a 68k mac, was simply a card with the smbx cpu in it... no cables at all)
asciilifeform: at one point i considered buying one, but was not able to swing the access to the needed microscopy
asciilifeform: $up luke-jr ☟︎
deedbot: luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: what brings you here luke-jr ?
luke-jr: so we're discussing whether we can get consensus for a hardfork with the community here
luke-jr: is there any possibility of that, or is it just impossible?
asciilifeform: luke-jr: what's in your hardfork ?
luke-jr: asciilifeform: not sure yet; ideally, only things that everyone thinks are acceptable (including people here)
asciilifeform: well nobody can answer this mega-question until the concretes are given, neh ?
luke-jr: (unreasonable people demand we support 2 MB old transactions)
asciilifeform: normally folks going hard-forking have some specific idea of why...
luke-jr: asciilifeform: to show the industry that a hardfork and consensus is a possible thing
mircea_popescu: luke-jr do your reading.
mircea_popescu: also, please don't refer to tmsr as "a community". it is not "a community", it is your liege. ☟︎
shinohai makes popcorn
luke-jr: asciilifeform: things I'd like to see in it would be merged mining, additional inputs to the generation transaction, and maybe fix block withholding
mircea_popescu: $down luke-jr
mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, prostu' parca nu-i destul daca nu e si fudul.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-11#1465970 << serious wtf; I'll look into it ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-11 21:38 mircea_popescu: world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?!
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466068 << wrote my bot with the intention of making creating new commands very easy ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 01:39 mod6: trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf?
trinque: could be that you expose some api - or SQL - my direction, or otherwise that I somehow sync (rsync?) tickets from you
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466098 << yeah, "commandbot" is WoTsauce ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 01:49 mircea_popescu: quite possibly, see what trinque says. running two bots does not necessarily mean one must write two bots.
trinque: http://wiki.deedbot.org/site/recent-changes << shinohai, nice dude!
shinohai: Trying to get all that stuff mioved over to a site we control. I'm actually liking clwiki now, thanks for providing it!
trinque: sweet
shinohai: The bot section will need a whole new writeup though, since everything was merged into deedbot so gotta get a list of all those features compiled.
trinque: $help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
trinque: shinohai: deedbot's can link to that, as I'll have that autogenerated from its sauce
shinohai: ah ok will do
PeterL: hi all
PeterL: so, I bought a house, I figured it is a good time to lock up a loan at 3.5% interest for 30 years
PeterL: rates can't go much lower than they are
shinohai: trinque: how do i insert a line break? <br> doesn't work it seems. ☟︎
shinohai: and now I am getting 502 error as well :/
trinque: yeah I did that
trinque: it's back
shinohai: Good, I didn't break it
trinque: wait one sec
trinque: :p
trinque: damned thing doesn't shit errors out anywhere
trinque: so I'll be digging for a minute
shinohai: kk no worries
asciilifeform: from the bureau of vintage lulz: http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/l/levy-crypto.html
asciilifeform: 'For instance, Diffie quizzed an MIT colleague named Dan Edwards, who would join the NSA after graduating. "He was extremely unhelpful," Diffie later reported, "failing to reveal things which were certainly not classified and which I later saw in the bibliography of his thesis." And when a colleague at Mitre went to work at IDA, Diffie asked him if he could share anything about his work. After a tan
asciilifeform: talizing pause: no.'
mircea_popescu: PeterL even if they do, if you can't use capital more productively than 5% a year it's time to go back to school.
mircea_popescu: (yes - that's the point of sending kids to school. to get them from where their average capital productivity is < 0% to where they get at least even with average. which should be within reach for an iq 100 fellow ; which is the only meaningful definition of iq available in the first place.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform goes right back to the whole "gestapo couldn't keep abreast of all the phonecalls from the "innocent public" they kept receiving". just like policeman rarely works there as a job, and generally works there as a hedge against his own inferiority complexes, derps working for nsa work there mostly for to be working there.
PeterL: so are you saying you wouldn't lend money at less than 5% because you have better things to do with it?
mircea_popescu: PeterL something like that. i wouldn't lend money in general, i'm not old and out of touch enough for that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to look at it from a different perspective : attaching the attribute "classified" to a specified item has a number of effects on the world, some of which can have associated values that are computable. one such example is : that it triggers interest from the enemy, however defined. this is clearly a -. another one such example is : that it makes the workforce feel more important. since compensation always has to
mircea_popescu: = "opportunity cost" + "self-actualisation value", and since the sort of idiots that actually take jobs with the nsa have very simple "self actualisation" functions, which often evaluate to "be in a place where things are called 'classified'", then this necessarily is a +.
mircea_popescu: it stands then to reason to say that classification is more of a hr/personnel retention tool than a opsec instrument.
mircea_popescu: experience seems amusingly enough to confirm this theory.
asciilifeform: toilet cleaning schedule is classified
asciilifeform: but so is manhattan project.
mircea_popescu: and it ended up with the russians.
asciilifeform: so it did.
mircea_popescu: so that didn't help ; or even hindered.
asciilifeform: usa of the period was a culturally impoverished zimbabwe
asciilifeform: was stuck using foreign specialists.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it DID make the job of recruiters that much easier.
mircea_popescu: i am not so convinced the past 60 years made the us any less of a culturally impoverished zimbabwe. it's still not a nation, nor much of a country. it doesn't even make much of a hotel, used to be a sort of cote d'azur, now more like jamaica.
mircea_popescu: "the place where middleaged couples with strange ideas about what'd put the spark back in the bedroom go for massage-vacations"
asciilifeform: my point was, they use aryans now.
asciilifeform: wake me up when princeton leaks even 1 page.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-12#1466240 << http://wiki.deedbot.org/Text%20Formatting#selection-15.0-15.141 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 17:23 shinohai: trinque: how do i insert a line break? <br> doesn't work it seems.
asciilifeform: http://natashenka.ca/posters
shinohai: ^ kek
mircea_popescu: is this good for bitcoin ?
BingoBoingo: lol
deedbot: [Trilema] The Megawatt standard - http://trilema.com/2016/the-megawatt-standard/
BingoBoingo: Meaningful rebellion in one's twilight years https://archive.is/hyTIq