mod6: ok actually, around pretty much for the rest of the night.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i guess so. prolly shouldn't delete much unless it's actually wrong.
shinohai: Are those chopsticks on her tongue?
mod6: how's it goin Mr. P.? How can I help.
mod6: you can just `./t.pl tickets.txt add` and it'll prompt you from the cli.
mod6: i may add new ways to do this in the not too distant future. either via bot, or perhaps by just like piping in the info in from the cli.
mod6: when you're done adding/editing or deleteing a ticket, just print them if you wish `./t.pl tickets.txt p`
mod6: or if you know the id number, do `./t.pl tickets.txt pid <TICKET_ID>`
mircea_popescu: mod6 how about if there was a ticket bot ; and we had a website, a la deedbot.org, where tickets could be seen ; and we had acess control based on pgp, so that either world, lordship, or specified people can see a particular ticket set ?
mircea_popescu: so everyone who wants shit done by, say, btcbase, can put tickets in btcbase rather than put them here and hope they won't be forgotten in the log.
mircea_popescu: and then whoever's maintaining the thing, can read through em, when working on it.
mod6: sounds great to me. i was just talking about stripping down atcbot and reusing the skeleton to build a bot for this.
mod6: trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: truth is by now i'm not even sure exactly how many distinct projects we're managing, but it's over a dozen, and will only keep growing. gotta import some management tools into all this, casual worked long enough
mircea_popescu: mod6 honestly having another bot would be very good for resiliency in my eyes.
mod6: cool. i'll make that the next step. getting it to be botified.
mircea_popescu: however, a major point of collaboration imo, would be if everyone who runs bots (ie, deedbot, yours putatively, etc) ALSO keep logs, and provide phf with passive redundancy
☟︎ mod6: i guess it seems reasonable.
mod6: so, make 'tbot' for instance. then allow people to create tickets under whatever project they want.
mod6: as long as they're in the wot.
mircea_popescu: the pgp permissioning being perhaps the trickiest part of it all. but ideally iut'd work like
mod6: yeah, that part will be a huge pain.
mircea_popescu: $tbot btcbase wot would result in a dump of the ticketlist for btcbase encrypted to my key that's of level world and level wot.
mod6: well, maybe not huge, but yeah, most painful.
mircea_popescu: whereas $bot deedbot me would result in a dump of ticketlist for deedbot encrypted to my key that's of level world and wot and me.
mircea_popescu: and i should be able to add tickets in the same sense, either public or wot or specified persons by encrypting it to bot's key.
mod6: not sure how i'd do the encrypting part and keep it sec with minimal cost.
mod6: anyway, i think it's some thing i can work up to.
mod6: i do like this idea though.
mircea_popescu: truth be told, even without permissioning it'd be pretty useful. that's more like a sort of you know, experimental wunderwaffen division, why not ask for things, see what happens.
mod6: now.. deedbot might have the infrastructure already in place to make this easier.
mod6: i think it's a fine idea, Sir.
mircea_popescu: quite possibly, see what trinque says. running two bots does not necessarily mean one must write two bots.
☟︎ shinohai: heh mod6 this is too awesum :D
shinohai: Absolutely one of the most useful tools in Bitcoinspace hands down
mod6: there really are so many things going on, and many more to come, we gotta be able to track this stuff.
mircea_popescu recalls the humble beginnings when we came up with the nutty idea of having a bot do voicing in chan. that was never going to work.
mod6: thanks for your input here, i think it takes a simple idea and scales it up nice.
shinohai: I've been lurking here almost a year now, good things happen here that just do not happen elsewhere.
mod6: 'tis the difference between a republic that people want to be a part of and want to work, and an ad-hoc gaggle of people "doing stuff"
shinohai: Yup, I registered on May 25, 2015 ... how time flies. I thank you all for the knowledge I have gained in said time.
mod6: Thank *you* for your hardwork!
shinohai: np, no good thing comes without hard work and trials
mod6: "A republic, if you can keep it"
mod6: where ``keep it'' invoves doing the hard, useful things that need doing.
deedbot: indoor_jellyfish voiced for 30 minutes.
indoor_jellyfish: which uses and unpacked archive of binaries from the author of that blog post
indoor_jellyfish: I don't really understand how the C linker or the rest of the linux "toolkit" works (eg, chroot) and a detailed explanation of how I would arrange a set of files + binaries, bundle them and generate a minimal bootable USB would go a long way.
indoor_jellyfish: without such a document, the masamune replication will get done, but it'll take a while..
jurov: punkman these look like kernel innards, gabriel was asking more about userspace
jurov: funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted
punkman: jurov, dunno looks like it covers the whole thing
mircea_popescu: jurov> funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted <<< thinking about it i dun think a proper source exists, outside of carder forums or w/e equiv.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: maybe good move for gabriel_laddel to actually post that thing on his blog once he makes it.
mircea_popescu: o hey, paymium now joins bitstamp on the list of wanna-be bitcoin exchanges that email spam.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 13:09 mircea_popescu: jurov> funny that I can't remember any concrete source how I learned that stuff. it somehow accreted <<< thinking about it i dun think a proper source exists, outside of carder forums or w/e equiv.
shinohai: I managed to make my own gentoo livecd a few weeks ago ... I used the roll-your-own initramfs thing like jurov posted earlier
phf: there's really too much documents for my lowly eos 5d, but i'm going for teh ic schematics and such. it's mostly like "here's how you machine part 560345 front left hinge"
phf: no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip
☟︎ phf: like there are cable assemblies, that are handy for repairs or new construction, that i just don't have time to capture
phf: he still has open maintenance contracts
phf: while the bulk is software, a dwindling part of it is repairs and console upkeep
phf: the intended purpose is to help lispm owners maintain systems on their own since the number of available parts is basically two stables in a barn and those are going to the usual suspects
phf: and since asciilifeform is a lispm owner i don't see particularly reason why s.nsa shouldn't have access to it
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 14:19 phf: no, this needs further slow movement. i'm still hoping to get the whole set on another trip
phf: that's true, but those are not lost either
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated phf 3 at 3668926147 << Teh desire has been expressed and heard!
phf: the main constraint is those same open maintenance contracts, but ultimately guy wants all that stuff preserved
mircea_popescu: $rate phf 4 Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history.
mircea_popescu: $v 5B32D3412CCCD6B40CAE1CC564C953BE033C546D99BD1E35C62E449B93BCA1E2
deedbot: mircea_popescu updated rating of phf from 3 to 4 << Keeper of the logs ; and of Symbolics history.
phf: i know that mallery owns the entire software side, no idea where the vlsi falls, but afaiu that's the reason why nobody's doing anything with the assets
phf: but after shuffling "assembly" and "harness" papers for two days i know for a fact that some dedicated japanese man will be able to lovingly carve an smbx replica as his chosen otaku hobby
phf: there are some funny comments about t.i. people on the margins
deedbot: luke-jr voiced for 30 minutes.
luke-jr: so we're discussing whether we can get consensus for a hardfork with the community here
luke-jr: is there any possibility of that, or is it just impossible?
luke-jr: asciilifeform: not sure yet; ideally, only things that everyone thinks are acceptable (including people here)
luke-jr: (unreasonable people demand we support 2 MB old transactions)
luke-jr: asciilifeform: to show the industry that a hardfork and consensus is a possible thing
mircea_popescu: also, please don't refer to tmsr as "a community". it is not "a community", it is your liege.
☟︎ luke-jr: asciilifeform: things I'd like to see in it would be merged mining, additional inputs to the generation transaction, and maybe fix block withholding
mircea_popescu: as the romanian expression goes, prostu' parca nu-i destul daca nu e si fudul.
a111: Logged on 2016-05-11 21:38 mircea_popescu: world of tanks lol. trinque wtf the api can't be that broken ?!
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 01:39 mod6: trinque: any thoughts here? should we just collaborate on this? phf?
trinque: could be that you expose some api - or SQL - my direction, or otherwise that I somehow sync (rsync?) tickets from you
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 01:49 mircea_popescu: quite possibly, see what trinque says. running two bots does not necessarily mean one must write two bots.
shinohai: Trying to get all that stuff mioved over to a site we control. I'm actually liking clwiki now, thanks for providing it!
shinohai: The bot section will need a whole new writeup though, since everything was merged into deedbot so gotta get a list of all those features compiled.
trinque: shinohai: deedbot's can link to that, as I'll have that autogenerated from its sauce
PeterL: so, I bought a house, I figured it is a good time to lock up a loan at 3.5% interest for 30 years
PeterL: rates can't go much lower than they are
shinohai: trinque: how do i insert a line break? <br> doesn't work it seems.
☟︎ shinohai: and now I am getting 502 error as well :/
trinque: damned thing doesn't shit errors out anywhere
trinque: so I'll be digging for a minute
mircea_popescu: PeterL even if they do, if you can't use capital more productively than 5% a year it's time to go back to school.
mircea_popescu: (yes - that's the point of sending kids to school. to get them from where their average capital productivity is < 0% to where they get at least even with average. which should be within reach for an iq 100 fellow ; which is the only meaningful definition of iq available in the first place.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform goes right back to the whole "gestapo couldn't keep abreast of all the phonecalls from the "innocent public" they kept receiving". just like policeman rarely works there as a job, and generally works there as a hedge against his own inferiority complexes, derps working for nsa work there mostly for to be working there.
PeterL: so are you saying you wouldn't lend money at less than 5% because you have better things to do with it?
mircea_popescu: PeterL something like that. i wouldn't lend money in general, i'm not old and out of touch enough for that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to look at it from a different perspective : attaching the attribute "classified" to a specified item has a number of effects on the world, some of which can have associated values that are computable. one such example is : that it triggers interest from the enemy, however defined. this is clearly a -. another one such example is : that it makes the workforce feel more important. since compensation always has to
mircea_popescu: = "opportunity cost" + "self-actualisation value", and since the sort of idiots that actually take jobs with the nsa have very simple "self actualisation" functions, which often evaluate to "be in a place where things are called 'classified'", then this necessarily is a +.
mircea_popescu: it stands then to reason to say that classification is more of a hr/personnel retention tool than a opsec instrument.
mircea_popescu: experience seems amusingly enough to confirm this theory.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it DID make the job of recruiters that much easier.
mircea_popescu: i am not so convinced the past 60 years made the us any less of a culturally impoverished zimbabwe. it's still not a nation, nor much of a country. it doesn't even make much of a hotel, used to be a sort of cote d'azur, now more like jamaica.
mircea_popescu: "the place where middleaged couples with strange ideas about what'd put the spark back in the bedroom go for massage-vacations"
a111: Logged on 2016-05-12 17:23 shinohai: trinque: how do i insert a line break? <br> doesn't work it seems.