mircea_popescu: and in other random, isn't it funny that for all the millions of dorks going about finding "contradictions in the bible" there can't be had a single dork going about seeking "contradictions in wikipedia" ?
mircea_popescu: almost as if it were the case the whole "contradictions" bs is really a subcase of "unearthing hypocrisy", ie the traditional codeword of the inept adolescent "fighting" with authority.
ben_vulpes: a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
ben_vulpes: LOSING MY PATIENCE with the NOISE WHEN I GO TO PISS
ben_vulpes: to fix the UNENDING STREAM of precious bull run DRINKING WATER FLOWING THROUGH THE TOILET
ben_vulpes: and i didn't even need to bring any tools! or wire to extend the chain!
ben_vulpes: on a floor where very nearly every door features a black lives matter and "in our democracy love wins"
☟︎ ben_vulpes: and yet nobody except for the guy who benefits barely an iota from the fixing of the externality shoveling appears to give the slightest shit about the wasting of the single greatest blessing after my dick this metropolis has ever enjoyed
ben_vulpes: i will be SURE to listen VERY CLOSELY the next time a portlander has something to say about environmental justice and global warming.
mircea_popescu: i dunno but sounds like they might've vaporised something in that wc.
deedbot: fromdeedbot voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: JUST UN FUCKING KINK IT
a111: a BUILDING full of feeble minded liberals
phf: i think the word chip is ruined for marketing purposes by clipper
☟︎ phf: i moved into a new place closer to the lizards, had a funny exchange in the lobby. this lady "got lucky" and "bought a house at list price" because apparently "everyone's scared because of the upcoming impeachment".
☟︎ phf: i will probably get this wrong, but as far as i understand, here houses are sold any arbitrary number above list, and it's whatever seller can get away with
☟︎ mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone buy if they're not getting a discount from list.
mircea_popescu: seems to go against the most basic logic -- if the asset is worth more than its list in your hands, why should i take over management ? clearly you know what you';re doing and should keep doing it.
mircea_popescu: or what, you're going to tell me these prices aren't based on discounted cash flows and other such actuarial judgements ? in the world's greatest economy the world's smartest people acting like a bunch of nation of africa retards ? unthinkabru!
phf: it's an investment in your future and the future of your family
mircea_popescu: otherwise it's an investment in the other guy and his fambly.
phf: it's an excellent place to raise the kids, have you consulted with your wife?
phf: in this market the price is only going to go up, so you can flip the house when you are ready for retirement
mircea_popescu: but i do occasionally buy at list price, for small occasionals like say when going out to a restaurant. i could have the slavegirls replicate anything on the menu, and it would come out even better half the time, but unless i care it's not worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck buys large or repeating items at list and why the everfucking love would they.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine these people are all trillionaires and so couldn't possibly care less about a million-ish item, chiefly because the us has no trillionaires.
mircea_popescu: javascript idiots actually implemented base64 as "btoa" and "atob".
mircea_popescu: i spent five whole minutes belabouring under the misapprehension that it's metasyntactic reference, some sort of prototype and you gotta replace the a and b.
mircea_popescu: which makes no sense, except NEITHER DOES ANYTHING ELSE THEY DO
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform web interface, prepopulates selects and etc so you don't have to type them.
mircea_popescu: also loads various infos on screen so you don't keep having to go "explain x" to see what x.table is ACTUYALLY named
mircea_popescu: it's a cannonical example of what gui is/needs to be, obviously command line works but fuck me, really, i will type select so and so by hand each time all the time ?
deedbot: ave1 voiced for 30 minutes.
ave1: Hello, I've been reading the ffa code
ave1: I've come up with this mod-exp function:
ave1: It's a basic adaptation of what you can find on the web
ave1: Yes I was thinking that too
ave1: aha, I also tried division first
ave1: Just reader of the logs for past year or so
ave1: yes I have registered...
ave1: my division was many times slower (as I did a shift N left on every iteration)
mircea_popescu: how to ensure a rating ? make it fucking irresistible lol.
ave1: I noticed, very elegant
mircea_popescu: ave1 you can self-voice now, say !!up to deedbot whenever.
ave1: at least trying first, made understanding it a lot easier
mircea_popescu suspects this may well be alf's favourite passtime. the endless field of register-clever, like a sort of chess.
deedbot: asciilifeform rated ave1 1 << ada lurker
mircea_popescu: i had to talk of javascript. who the fuck thinks like this, i wish to know, "oh, i'll htmlencode a string and then replace some of the escaped items".
mircea_popescu: imo the lang is fine, the unicode is bullshit, in this case.
mircea_popescu: heh, nevermind fixed time -- no question of fixed result ops.
mircea_popescu: maybe your 5+4 = 9.0000001, maybe .99999997, depends on arch
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 12:28 phf: i think the word chip is ruined for marketing purposes by clipper
Framedragger: Number.prototype.valueOf = function(){return 42;};
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "imo the lang is fine, the unicode is bullshit, ~in this case~. numbers, diff story."
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 12:36 phf: i moved into a new place closer to the lizards, had a funny exchange in the lobby. this lady "got lucky" and "bought a house at list price" because apparently "everyone's scared because of the upcoming impeachment".
Framedragger: now every number equals 42! everywhere, on your whole site / 'app'!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 12:40 phf: i will probably get this wrong, but as far as i understand, here houses are sold any arbitrary number above list, and it's whatever seller can get away with
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't comprehend this logic. how exactly is economy supposed to cease functioning once you enter your own door ? does water, strictly flowing downhill at the office, change its mind at home ? do you see it jump out of the sink, against gravity, and figure "oh, but of course, i'm not at work anymore duh!"
mircea_popescu: seems to me same old thermodynamics applies at "work" and at "home". maybe i've just not had the right wife yet ?
mircea_popescu: this'd seem to explain why the redditards are single, as opposed to harem'd. not why they're poor.
mircea_popescu: i don't see it. piece of orbital rubbish 1/10^9 of planet doesn't go "you know what, your force isn't enough to move planet a meter, but i'll move 2*10^9 meters because hey, i'm just piece of rubbish not planet!
mircea_popescu: you want to lift a gram, you need a mN just like if you want to move a ton you need 1kN. there's no tiny discounts.
mircea_popescu: and from this it follows asciilifeform will go and donate $1k to "real estate quantizer" ?
mircea_popescu: even leaving bitcoin aside, there's obviously bangladesh.
mircea_popescu: you'd go and see the square metre in wash swamp, if you were to buy it, yes ?
mircea_popescu: and i have like a suspicion north korea would take dollars if available.
mircea_popescu: it's utterly unclear waht your chosen straw man has to do with the discussion, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: the discussion was re buying at list / retail is for suckers / buying assets implicitly means they are discounted / stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: the core is the simple observation that if your trade value of whatever item is above book value, you should continue to manage it, not me.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 13:01 mircea_popescu: WORST. fucking function names. ever.
Framedragger: is itoa implemented in stdlib by default, then, as expected? NO! because fuck you
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what this is. so what does it do, changes the string 9 to the numeral 9 ?
Framedragger: it spits back an int if it can parse the ascii string into one
mircea_popescu: heck, might've lifted whole language from this paradigm.
mircea_popescu: apparently i lived a whole life without doing these strange conversions.
Framedragger: well yes, JS is a mixture of things, Self, C, etc, the best mixture of them all
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 17:28 asciilifeform: it was asked to do every damn time you ask it to do anything actually give any relevant form of support to anyone?'
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: one is stdlib, the other one (itoa iirc) is not!
mircea_popescu: i learned c at some point, but this left no trace somehow.
Framedragger: in which we realise mircea_popescu's source of sanity
mircea_popescu: back in the old days, all the successes used to be per hectare ;/
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: just fyi, the site (osalabs.com) loads - you don't have a root CA which signed their certificate (letsencrypt cert). of course the point is still valid
mircea_popescu: why should they know. they just want to wifechildrenhome amirite.
mircea_popescu: he missed out on getting a trilema link because of the letsencrypt bs ?
mircea_popescu: well, i can only hope they're paying him enough to compensate.
mircea_popescu: "girl missed out on date because someone gave out garbage for free and she rubbed it all over. FREE!!111"
mircea_popescu: so is visa paying oleg enough to compensate him for the loss of trilema link ?
mircea_popescu: apparently, for same reason they buy real estate above list price.
mircea_popescu: something something wife something something fambly, something something alt-universe at home where water flows uphill.
Framedragger: i've seen ~sane uses of ssl, with self-signed pinned cert (verified via side channel). it happens.
Framedragger: yesyes, the whole format is broken, yes EC, so basically almost as bad as bitcoin :)
Framedragger: i don't recall but i believe you can define ~all the params for DH key exchange in ssl, i think
Framedragger: anyway, why mircea_popescu prefers one shit-CA over the other, i'm not sure
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why the specifics need even be discussed. who cares WHAT was in the dumpster girly put on her head ? point remains, FREE!!11 is a garbage heuristic.
mircea_popescu: dude, archive.is can't load his dumbass site. what do you want from me.
Framedragger: you have some CA roots, therefore you (implicitly or explicitly) prefer some, neh?
mircea_popescu: and in general -- if curl -k can't get you, you really don't exist.
Framedragger: i wonder if it's due to the cert. probably yes. yeah, sad!
mircea_popescu: "oh, it has advantages!11". i'm sure it does. you also miss out on trilema links. let me know when those advantages even it out.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, you wouldn't be linking to me anyway" "and this says what about you ?"
Framedragger: that i don't understand, either. all them web designers, too, gotta protect those PNGs in transit
Framedragger: (but i thought this protects me from gobmint spying!)
mircea_popescu: and in other random, apparently the proper way to say chocolate in cr is xocolata.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 01:52 ben_vulpes: on a floor where very nearly every door features a black lives matter and "in our democracy love wins"
mircea_popescu used to have a very poor reaction / low tolerance to ineptitude in that vein "oh i shouldnt end up naked on the first date" from chicks who saw stupid americana on tv and imagined it's an example to follow back when he was 16. it deteriorated over time.
Framedragger: pdf almost saner in this instance. fwiw i did try with lynx, it showed the text. but yeah.
Framedragger: it'd really be great if there were a ~decent pdf2html tool, with no JS. and i don't mean just "extract and dump plaintext", i can do that, too.
☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: m8{transform:matrix(0.237500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.237500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.237500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
mircea_popescu: .m4{transform:matrix(0.245000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.245000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.245000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
mircea_popescu: .m2{transform:matrix(0.247500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.247500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.247500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
mircea_popescu: .m0{transform:matrix(0.250000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.250000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.250000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
mircea_popescu: .m3{transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
mircea_popescu: .m7{transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.252500,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
mircea_popescu: .m1{transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
mircea_popescu: .m6{transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-ms-transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);-webkit-transform:matrix(0.255000,0.000000,0.000000,0.250000,0,0);}
deedbot: moli_ voiced for 30 minutes.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1657897 << "due to heroic actions of Praporshchik Sidorenko, the aggressor has been neutralized, but unfortunately resulted in death of selfsame praporshchik, who will be awarded a medal posthumously, and his vdova will receive 500 rubbles in recognition of his heroism"
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 13:51 asciilifeform: 'On account of timely measures, about a thousand infected machines were blocked off , which constituted less than 1%'. (?)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger a cursory look at the pile (complete, btw) makes it obvious matrices were not the correct approach for this problem, whatever it might have been.
mircea_popescu: there's also one thousand lines of spurious nonsense in the vein of .x3e{left:412.722800pt;}
mircea_popescu: and THEN the WHOLE thing is five lines of div id="pf1" class="pf w0 h0" data-page-no="1"><div class="pc pc1 w0 h0"><img class="bi x0 y0 w1 h1" alt="" src="data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAABC4AAAWfCAIAAADrrCCVAAAACXBIWXMAABYlAAAWJQFJUiTwAAAgAElEQVR42uzdW5Mjx5n/9zzVAUCju+dAUlpqJfmvXa/DYb8IvwiH354vfOkX5QuHI/6SOJzpA1BVmfk8vsBwOBoOyUaiqlDo/n5idyNE7Qy7C4XM/OXhSauq5pKlrhs+3J3yN/i2bW6uDQDgku3++9+P/SOrt2+s9zw6ADgXxyMAAFw6
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☟︎ mircea_popescu: tell you what, if i wanted to put uncacheable pngs somewhere on the web, i'd have NOT needed 1k lines of six decimal place pt specifications nor inept matrices and their useless transforms.
☟︎ phf: pretty much as close as it gets to pdf-izing html
mircea_popescu: next time just load the fucking images, as images, like trilema does it.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:10 Framedragger: it'd really be great if there were a ~decent pdf2html tool, with no JS. and i don't mean just "extract and dump plaintext", i can do that, too.
phf: that transform:matrix is the "standard" way of doing object positioning and movement (they displacement is optimized in gpu, so if you're actually moving objects around it's faster then css x,y positioning)
mircea_popescu: and if you aren't actually moving objects around, it's just dead weight.
☟︎ phf: i'm not sure why jump through these hoops for static content though. position:absolute; left: top: still work
mircea_popescu: similarily to how the millionth fraction of a pt is meaningful if you print a km sq picture of all the cunts of all the women currently alive and then intend to go check out the indvidual ingrown hairs with a magnifying glass.
moli_: hi thanks for voicing, i just want to let you guys know bamb0u has been smearing your name on bitcoin core slack
mircea_popescu: of course the cunts in question wouldn't actually be fonts, but anyway. wtf-8.
moli_: it's a stupid slack to house people like bamb0u
☟︎ moli_: nothing, how you doing, mircea_popescu ? you've been quiet on the media
mircea_popescu: Framedragger you are aware that item does nothing whatsoever, you could have published screenshots for the same effect.
Framedragger: in retrospect i *should* have published screenshots. at this rate original pdf is sorta-better.
mircea_popescu: moli_ i think the media's just as petrified of saying my name today as years ago.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there was a sort-of working js to txt item alf was demonstrating at some point. i dun recall where it ended up.
☟︎ deedbot: gargantus voiced for 30 minutes.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yes, to text yes, hence why i said plaintext is the easy part ^. but you're right, maybe text is the way to go in these shitcases...
Framedragger: for one, there are some lulzy screenshots showing the insanity of JS event loop, and exceptions, and css rendering, etc.
mircea_popescu: really. i don't want to watch some dork on video. i don't want to watch his stupid slides. i don't want to watch his facebook. really all this "rich content", diagrams-hyelogryphs-bs is only there because illiterate monkey has nothing to say.
Framedragger: i disagree that visuals cannot add more than text all of the time. best way to depict broken css rendering is to depict it.
Framedragger: of course, usually the medium is misused - sure.
mircea_popescu: depict in as what, adding some screenshots in the text ?
mircea_popescu: the content is never the problem. it always and universally goes to shit when they attempt to control ~the consumption~ of content. hence drm and css, hence return mid paragraph "because i don't want YOU to scroll horizontally" etc.
mircea_popescu: all of it is the same thing, a deeply misguided attempt to control the reception of the message. focus on the fucking message.
mircea_popescu: i'll receive it as i'll receive it, that's my problem.
mircea_popescu: girls going "i don't know how to tell you this" are in for a beating on the strength of that alone, meanwhile whole generation of dorks having not much to say at all fretting ineptly about ~the way~ they're saying it / "presenting themselves" expect this to somehow work.
mircea_popescu: it dun work, it's just that nobody loves them enough to beat them for it.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, soap operas, action movies, talk shows etc haven't replaced literature strictly because there's no way to say "we're in the business of emission, make your own fucking receiver sets" when it comes to television. that and no more.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:12 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still lem ?
mircea_popescu: i'm bitter because i misidentified some quote a while back
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:10 Framedragger: it'd really be great if there were a ~decent pdf2html tool, with no JS. and i don't mean just "extract and dump plaintext", i can do that, too.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, that's prolly the only acceptable definition of intelligence.
mircea_popescu: suddenly puts the ai as digital-machine-intelligence problem in its proper perspective, and also supplies a very good explanation for the genysym issue. people going think() are ACTUALLY approaching the river at the other end.
mircea_popescu: the reason our brains work and computers don't is, to a significant portion, that our brains actually define what PASSES FOR sense.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:19 mircea_popescu: and if you aren't actually moving objects around, it's just dead weight.
mircea_popescu: oh, because everyone watches the internet on standard issue tvs ?
mircea_popescu: while i think it's broadly true that ps yielded tex and pdf in world and gutter respectively, it's not clear the ps folk understood reflow, or generally speaking the problem they were trying to approach.
mircea_popescu: anyway ; afaik the whole reason tex exists is because sometime in early 80s/ late 70s knuth got some galley proofs from the new photo process and hated them
mircea_popescu: there WAS the molten metal tech, same as what they printed the 1929 nyt on. but cca 1970s it was replaced by photo
mircea_popescu: phototypesetting, it's a thing, uses lenses instead of lead.
mircea_popescu: and they had you know, linotypes and stuff. dedicated computrons.
mircea_popescu: (including the only items with pit style monitors, other than in alfs home, that i ever knew of.)
mircea_popescu: point being, there was some software running the crap knuth didn't like, wrote replacement.
mircea_popescu: but, postscript is NOT the invention of some adobe dorks. postscript was a thing cca 1976, and stolen, ~wholly, from already existing print process, by eg warnock.
mircea_popescu: which is what i mean. ps (that eventually yielded pdf, and also what you apparently think is ps) yielded tex through knuth's reaction to it.
mircea_popescu: phf how's what ? dude at some company was trying to print geodata.
mircea_popescu: the adobe ps is the warnock wtf he called it, system something or the other. xerox parc also had something, of course, but it died out.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, there was a sort-of working js to txt item alf was demonstrating at some point. i dun recall where it ended up.
Framedragger: incidentally that ^ looks like an interesting piece on automata!
Framedragger: yeah djvu is great for what it does. never bothered to check how it actually worx, wavelet compressor, cool.
Framedragger: aha yeah vaguely recall. "can actually skip states!!" thing
trinque: Framedragger: did I link this abomination or what?
phf: oddly enough djvu is hated in angloworld (something something patents), but most of the archives of soviet written material is in djvu
Framedragger: asciilifeform: checked, yeah pretty amazing, damn; obviously lots of memory overhead depending on noise/entropy, but point is that it was actually something new, as you say, not just any optimisation
mircea_popescu: would be interesting to see what happens if $noob starts feeding old lines from someone in wot.
mircea_popescu: no i know what hashlife is. was re above trinque surprise.
mircea_popescu: if you recal, was principal in gol start-up, we looked at ways to cheat.
phf: i don't share the anti-postscript sentiment. i think it's a maxwell's equation of graphics programming. introduces idea of graphics state stack, with operations that happen inside state or in transition between state (e.g. "displace everything that i said so far by n pixels right") . pretty much all the graphics code (including for example opengl) is a variation on what postscript does. and most of the things postscript does simply doesn't make any sen
☟︎ phf: se in a physical printing world. i don't know any prior art to postscript, but i don't think publishing is it. most of the things postscript does simply doesn't make sense in a physical publishing
phf: asciilifeform: i'm not familiar
mircea_popescu: 1. publishing, after having operated on hot (molten metal) process for almost a century, with gradual improvements, moved to a purely photographic alternative starting in 1960s and complete by 1975.
mircea_popescu: 2. the alternative was run on digital machines, which ran software.
mircea_popescu: 3. a fellow by the name warnock, while working on a forgotten company cca 1975, came up with ps, in the sense a fellow called nakamoto came up with bitcoin. he was at the time working on the problem of drawing maps.
mircea_popescu: 4. the fellow named warnock was hired by xerox parc, which was also trying to get a publishing software package. he used HIS ps, to rewrite theirs.
mircea_popescu: 5. the selfsame fellow named warnock, with some others, started out in early 80s, made a company named "adobe", wrote the third copy of the ~same ps item.
mircea_popescu: 6. the item at 5 is what most people deem ps, but this is somewhat like thinking facebook invented php because it stole the sources and renamed them.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: 7. continuity of design and in principle exists throughout 2-5 ; implementations vary.
phf: oh the functional geometry henderson
phf: i think that might be a haskelism. a functional formalism 20 years after the original concept
mircea_popescu: and yes, it can be said it all stands in the same relation to henderson & functional geometry as all the "gurus" and "experts" of the us school of management stand with skinner.
phf: well, correct. and postscript is early 70s
phf: which goes back to mircea_popescu's point of "nakamoto discovering bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: the 2-3 transition may be argued as "oh, like i wouldn't have figured that twirl on my own anyway". nevertheless, the 2-5 continuity doth revolve around warnock fellow.
mircea_popescu: now, in fairness, knuth had nfi of this, was deeply displeased by the poor quality of the image generated at the edge of this design graph, mostly due to cost saving and poor machinery, not substantially due to the item itself.
phf: my point though is that i don't know an alternative to platonic postscript (which can be closely executed in adobe postscript, but also ghostscript, etc.) when it comes to doing graphics. in this case adobe postscript is a kind of c bitcoin
mircea_popescu: depends of your idea of graphics. math-text graphics or juicy-tits graphics ?
phf: both, not necessarily vectorized!
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:21 moli_: it's a stupid slack to house people like bamb0u
phf: there are hacks in postscript that let you dump a raw pixel buffer (as is the case in most graphics libraries, there's "graphics language" and "dump these special bits in internal format")
trinque: whole countries of them actually.
phf: but if you're actually trying to render tits with full knowledge of medium, you have to layout your pixels manually, with the full "what is dpi, what is point, etc." awareness
trinque: mircea_popescu: looking into wtf happened with this JonDough guy's reg
mircea_popescu: dude look at that, some speculated ? who the fuck speculated, thestringpuller ?
mircea_popescu: and where the fuck were they with the "speculating" back when buffett had no option but to pretend like i dun exist.
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 11 by 6 connections.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, 've not been following, but anyway. i can't recall him doing something over the years.
trinque: !!reputation thestringpuller
trinque: lol, was that 10 from danielpbarron supposed to be positive?
mircea_popescu: trinque Sat Oct 7 06:37:43 CST 2084 << say, how do i get unixtime from deedbot time ?
mircea_popescu: i can't talk about being a pimp on the clear net ? holy shit i wrote the fucking textbook on it ?
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-05-17 03:39:24: <mircea_popescu> eulora economy went up ~900% from 1st sept 2015 to 1st april 2017. 20 months.
mircea_popescu: by now it's ~bitbet sized, in terms of "bitcoin mp holds for other people".
mircea_popescu: somehow "some are speculating" failed to speculate about how you know, nsa now sells pcb+ic assemblies.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do the speculating somebodies pick their speculatin' substance ?
mircea_popescu: fine, but i find it rather lulzy that apparently i have to worry about "Bitcoin revenue", as if i can't trade fiatola for bitcoin like anyone else ; and that somehow i should be worried while sitting on technology the usg couldn't replicate in spite of trying for a coupla years.
trinque: mircea_popescu: those are lispy "univeral time", integer seconds since 1900 jan 1 00:00:00
trinque: 1900 is the real 1970, way lispier
Framedragger: trinque: while at it i'll just mention that mine still doesn't have teh old ratings, not that i need them any time soon, just adding to the list. god knows my own list is long :(
trinque: Framedragger: I dunno what you mean by teh old ratings
Framedragger: (^ ah nick in lowercase, so grep needs to be, too)
mircea_popescu: wtf is bitcoin income even FOR, one wonders. not like bitcoin inflates. if you accumulate you just increase your share in total wealth.
Framedragger: (i assume web caches older version for now, but web is only preview-mode of the actual thing anyway)
trinque: yeah web shall update shortly
mircea_popescu: but anyway, a fine summary of modernity is "the time when middle class status went from owning $x in property to owning $x in property AND generating $y in income".
mircea_popescu: some property comes with some y baked in, like apparently washington dc real estate
mircea_popescu: most of it, does not. like say bar of iron, or bushel of wheat.
mircea_popescu: the happenstance that the former are ~all economically useless, and the latter ~all economically useful AND collectively the whole gamut of economy interests no one
mircea_popescu: which is why the no one in question finds itself stuck trying to MAGA.
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 16:20 phf: i don't share the anti-postscript sentiment. i think it's a maxwell's equation of graphics programming. introduces idea of graphics state stack, with operations that happen inside state or in transition between state (e.g. "displace everything that i said so far by n pixels right") . pretty much all the graphics code (including for example opengl) is a variation on what postscript does. and most of the things postscript does simply doesn't make any sen
gabriel_laddel_p: Also I take it nobody watched the video of what the hasllife author is up to these days I posted to Ben's blog?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: there is no standard presentation of the unified theory. All we have is an experiment showing the A-> field is required to fully describe EM.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: Absurdity. Carver Mead's G4V presentation comes across far better in his video than in his paper, and the video includes slides that don't exist elsewhere.
trinque: because not place to shit privately yet.
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: my laptop's internal charger broke, and I'm sitting here waiting on a charging deck to show up.
trinque: no, fate will do something completely unexpected to it.
gabriel_laddel_p: Incidentally, hacked the "black diamond" CLIM-web hack a few nights ago. IE, tying graphics to IRC messages via BEIRC.
gabriel_laddel_p: But it presents a way to get off of "the web", and then swap the underlying networking implementation for gossipd, while retaining a usable UI throughout.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 15:16 mircea_popescu: V1fMpXqyah5i67onzcUeMhJwL65VvmufwrFQlpTwMuetHbFddCL5tXKiW05YWdItLGO+V9ebr776decAwm+pqw6rIwhJIPLSz/Ygd0r/Em5TSbn/opcJ6fenjs9wP8eFholFs2u0/PavqarPwydSLecMnyNhP/BxdCNXVlW84KvCiLWf+W1LKfZ92+ylae2NMHobDt+wZjLMPPePhizzJ6FAkPjzGh8fDs6rW64vrGVVEYkq73URNq6QkD+nTgL5ar87eJ+bL3J850ff9X9PoJa0xWO+JIkuZxkh9H+8fZnhHv+ilDs3uha3mq8bdLj48zves3g2X20U
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they seem repeated. possibly browsers retrying ?
gabriel_laddel_p: asciilifeform: gotta have a web browser to browse the web, dontcha?
scriba: ssh banner of 104.192.170.198 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.2
Framedragger: you may overestimating the number of non-NAT'ed boxes mircea_popescu
Framedragger: i just mean that a box behind NAT won't show up in that !$ssh query
Framedragger: asciilifeform: you may be right, seeing as that "betaBot" is a piece of some older malware, seemingly
mircea_popescu: Framedragger something would have an ip. that which has the ip -- has the ip/
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah i used NAT in much too general a sense of the word. i meant "rando PCs behind routers etc."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno that 100 lines in 5 minute can count as a dos
mircea_popescu: or people read some article somewhere, tried to check out phuctor.
mircea_popescu: note that the items in your paste... are indexed as such.
mircea_popescu: !~google "/gpgkey/7E840C2FC34B3F9B8B95E6D12E18267E717ACBE1494C34DFA9055710347573A7"
mircea_popescu: yes, loading the page. but maybe someone clicked the links, is the idea.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i sometimes will click on a bunch of links. i imagine others too.
mircea_popescu: there are also shitty mobile browser that "prefetch", but whatever.
mircea_popescu: your observation suffers in all its articulations : you see seconds and imagine microseconds, you see a hundred and imagine 1001, you see regular, and reasonable referrer and imagine random, it's just not good!
mircea_popescu: well certainly phuctor hasn't been under massive ddos for months!
mircea_popescu: anyway, the web / backend decoupling will hafta occur, it's too fragile as it is
trinque: ah so g_l refueled on smart-guy virtue signaling, off now to dry clothes on line next to peter thiel's agar pool?
mircea_popescu rereads log, missed this line apparently because doing log checking in parallel with bothering ex romanian ex con ex prime minister.
mircea_popescu: "The G4V transforms the standard DJ MIDI device into a dynamic and formidable software performance controller. Within its fully metal enclosure are 2 ..."
mircea_popescu: i'm just trying to follow the conversation, clap along.
mircea_popescu: "Gravitational coupling of the propagation four-vectors of matter wave functions is formulated in flat space-time."
mircea_popescu: came up with a way to explain away laser interferometry not showing these "grav waves" by declaring photons kulaks / enemy of the solid state or such.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: i did not, because i did not like the reactive nature of it ^ above.
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you recall, largest grant by nsf, caltech and mit (of course) spent a decade starting with post-collapse (sept 2001) trying to see how gravity influences laser beams through measuring interference. never saw anything.
mircea_popescu: so obviously the trauma produced some reactions. but to outright ban photons is a little much.
mircea_popescu: i always suspected the ligo nonsense was why alf had such a low opinion of eg cern cyclotron.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 13:43 phf: i guess that's aligned with the "we moved from SICP to python, because programming is no longer about writing code, but discovering libraries" that's periodically discussed in logs
mircea_popescu: the fact is that the textbook is incomplete. fails to explain gravity credibly.
mircea_popescu: in this sense and very generally, large scale investigations of the nature of "let's see what happens to laser interference" are not substantially different from historical items such as foucault's pendulum, or the torgue balance of 1700
mircea_popescu: the difference between ligo and cern is that the later actually does something ; the former...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't know the result until AFTER. you gotta start building it BEFORE.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and in that something it's justified.
mircea_popescu: yes but also best model of this "assigned to respectable people" thing.
mircea_popescu: so take something random, say the touchscreen. who invented, who got assigned ?
mircea_popescu: ok. what else, the microwave ? velcro ? what shall we take ? gsm comms ?
mircea_popescu: not entirely clear to me what you're saying here. so the idea is, that because random upstart / usurper of minor crown enobled anyone who could read/write and hadn't rean off a century ago, it therefore follows that a man who could power a whole city out of hot reactor waste today does not do so because mit graduates can't power a lightbulb with the battery in hand. something like that ?
mircea_popescu: if the 100k you're talking about is factual, ie, what a moderately competent engineer makes a year, it seems altogether strange they're not doing it.
mircea_popescu: there's many tons of waste in the us they don't klnow what to do with. and as recent qntra points out, it's starting to leak.
mircea_popescu is having the antipasta of all time. grana padano, anchovies, winter salami, olives... ahhh.
a111: Logged on 2017-02-19 03:54 asciilifeform: (iirc we had a thread where i described how corporate ameritards, if given a problem like phuctor, would happily soak up a few $mil and megawatt of iron)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-30 14:55 asciilifeform: 'motivation from fear is a firecracker, from interest - a nuke' as the americans used to say
mircea_popescu: i dunno, seems even at mit, physics lab should be able to produce the micrograms of I or w/e is contemplarted here.
mircea_popescu: simple recipe for man interested -- go into grad school at relevant place, make measurements.
mircea_popescu: i know of a coupla who tried. the problem was the measurements not coming out, rather than conspiraci.
mircea_popescu: informal party talk. i've never followed it in much detail.
mircea_popescu: but the thing remains, so you do induced beta decay. this has some matter costs, in the radioactive material, and some energy cost, in the confinement, excitatron, etc. in exchange for these, you get beta particles. now, what do you do with them ? warm some water, turn turbine ? -ev. put against photovoltaics ? -ev. illuminate raw metal joints ? -ev. what ?
mircea_popescu: beta radiation is not just an electron about in the sense a tsunami is not just water.
mircea_popescu: well, do you what, go to parties where solid state grads show up ? or how would you ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, esp because of the incredible expense that is magnetic bottle, it's not even CLOSE, ev wise.
mircea_popescu: though most don't even want to use that as a confinement method
mircea_popescu: (beta sources are terrible, i will remind the public, because metal emits gamma on contact.)
trinque: ^ where deedbot asked for one fp, our excitable friend put two
mircea_popescu: anyway, as far as the conspiracies go : politically speaking, if the ev were even close, even vaguely the "art" grads in eg germany would be pushing for lifting the cost on hot reactors matter disposal so as to balance it outright.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 2.13 * 10**-13 * 1.25*10**9 = 2.6625E-4
mircea_popescu: you get a quarter milijoul per mol. as an absolute maximum.
mircea_popescu: dja know what the mol of gasoline produces through oxidation ?
mircea_popescu: if the whole mol halflived NOW that'd be the total energetic output.
mircea_popescu: (well, twice, really. irl i should have divided by half)
mircea_popescu: add a 2% conversion efficiency on top, and it suddenly looks terribru. diesel engines work in the high 40%.
mircea_popescu: yeah. jus' saying, ev is the problem with this theoretically promising idea.
mircea_popescu: and also, surprisingly energetic. imagine what fun it'll be once you discover that a kilogram is not like the microgram in that it summons fucking chtulhu.
mircea_popescu: gee, i wonder why nobody wants to dedicate life to building incidental nuke.
mircea_popescu: it went so fucking well for curie and that idiot with the beryl sphere.
mircea_popescu: yes. they don't tend to have 100k spare change in couch cushions.
mircea_popescu was wondering how long until you ask for avogadro's number.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 2.13 * 10**-13 * ( 6.022 * 10**23 ) = 1.2826859999999998E11
mircea_popescu: now calculate the magnetic field that turns a million years into a second.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: 2.13 * 10**-13 * ( 6.022 * 10**23 ) / ( 4.184*10**6 ) = 30656.931166347993
BingoBoingo:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658191 << It's been a while since he's lit up my inbox. Went over the years from promising to sell cookies he wouldn't bake to writing a couple good qntra's under cazalla regime. Then sort just degraded to repeatedly asking questions over plaintext about gardening for plants I don't grow. "tomatoes" but I suspect he was using it as a code word for a plant incompatible with quality sobriety. His late con
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 16:34 asciilifeform: briefly upstack :
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658014 << i tracked down the heathen pit in question, for entomological purposes. the only possibly lulzy bit is that it turns out to be thestringpuller 's new home.
BingoBoingo: verstations felt very trap like with "sting op" sort of vibe. Impossible to tell if through malice or powerlessness over certain dry plant matter.
jurov: BingoBoingo: it expired. prolly too low fee :D
BingoBoingo: jurov: seems to have went through eventually or something. Resolved A+++!!!11!!!
jurov: oh that. actually, the other dude kicked me :)
BingoBoingo: jurov: How is vacation/sabbatical going anyways?
jurov: fine fine, having fun on crete atm.
BingoBoingo: Not yet, waiting for anchoring hardware to arrive. Attaching a tin shed to the ground.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: can't be kako, site is too positive about mpex :D
Framedragger: this just looks like spam/scamotron. with ads!
shinohai: Take care to avoid minotaurs jurov and have fun! ^.^
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 20:26 asciilifeform: lol! it's the cardano people !
mircea_popescu: ah, look at that, highschool virgin club collecting discarded, used condoms, making themselves bower to impress the highschool sluts. sounds like MAGA.
mircea_popescu: before alf cuts more notches in the
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658505 stick : i literally did not bother paying for the domain, for no other reason than because i literally give this much of a shit about domains, and the whole rest of the ustardian crap built atop it.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 18:57 asciilifeform: your solution will simply get confiscated and assigned to 'respectable people'
mircea_popescu: put that in your "internet domains are worth money" pipe and smoke it.
shinohai simply makes mpex.co point wherever he damn well pleases with his specially-crafted hosts file.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-31 02:26 asciilifeform: 'A decentralized network system fully-utilizing Blockchain in every aspect, aims at solving current difficulties faced by key cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin and Ethereum, preventing from frauds and money-laundering, ID management and being a mediator with taxing/administrative system in various countries.
mircea_popescu: next they're going to invent a sheath fully utilizing steel that aims at solving the difficulties faced by swords embedded in idiots guts everywhere.
Framedragger: would include that 3d transform on cardano.io as a free perk
BingoBoingo: In other Desperations:
https://archive.is/F2SIO "If the chain splits, then when / if / every time the BIP148 chain gets longer*, it will replace the legacy chain. Transactions that had confirmed on the legacy chain will become unconfirmed (unless they are also confirmed on the BIP148 chain). Bitcoins mined by legacy miners will cease to exist, as they lose their blocks. (This cannot occur in the inverse direction: no matter how long the
BingoBoingo: legacy chain gets, BIP148 nodes will never let it reorg out the BIP148 chain.)"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently went to oleg savchuk school, archive.is dun see it.
Framedragger: mno, secrecy implies kindergarten perhaps, tho. anyway, impossible to argue due to the former
Framedragger: i thought the suddenwealth was from the earlyadoptronium
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude dun quite grok hwo this shit works, does he.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But "user activated fork!!!" "How does world work?"
Framedragger: i'll remember to be careful about any pics with gurls, lest asciilifeform deduce me to be scamzor by steel logic
mircea_popescu: i kinda miss the early ones. remember the punk, what's his name, who thought he was a "crypto innovator" ? or that tv schmuck. or or or
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BIP148 nodes will never let it reorg out the BIP148 chain << this is newz. how does node 'never let' ? i'd like to know << YOu don't know how ghettos work!
BingoBoingo: "Mr fancypants doctor think you are going to fix up the neighborhood? How about broken bottles in your yard and PLS MOAR DRUGZ, kthnx"
Framedragger: i poelaw'd on that link. " Sadly, there is a direct correlation between high IQ and “earning” a PhD in a STEM discipline, which is all too reflective of how white cishet men have designed disciplinary concepts to reinforce their own power structures." (some comment. troll? dunno)
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny to me that in the end the fem-gay revolution came to the same conclusion it started by denying : "we are inferiorz to straight men"
mircea_popescu: eh, brunette is the new blonde has been a meme for a long time now.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1879.99, vol: 11856.94249724 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1811.084, vol: 7766.89513 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1940.4, vol: 11695.76908415 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1690.117545, vol: 10855.61990000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1893.872, vol: 6451.76267153 | Volume-weighted last average: 1842.96808843
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-18#1658434 < Do you have a source for this? And banning photons? What? Where is this discussed? In any case, there are two threads here 1) collective electrodynamics, which wants to be a reformulation of EM using A->, as it takes into account, as you say, the "collective action" of electrons. & 2) G4V, which applies t
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 18:26 mircea_popescu: came up with a way to explain away laser interferometry not showing these "grav waves" by declaring photons kulaks / enemy of the solid state or such.
gabriel_laddel_p: he same mathematical machinery (vector potential) to gravity and has a slightly different prediction than GR regarding the gravity wave (supposedly) detected at LIGO.
gabriel_laddel_p: We know that A-> exists, and is better than heaviside's formulation of maxwell's equations because it can describe the AB experiment, and because it does not have a preferred frame of reference / is lorentz invariant.
gabriel_laddel_p: my understanding is that the original quaternion formulation from maxwell is also lorentz invariant, but have not checked.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-18 18:27 asciilifeform: it dun have enough meat on its bones, at least as presented in the b00k,
gabriel_laddel_p: Irrespective of its other features, the pedagogical elimination of Bohr's definition of the classical correspondence limit is useful (from CE).
gabriel_laddel_p: Interestingly, Ilan Kroo reached for the same formulation (A->) & same example (spherically symmetrical mass distribution) as CAM, but ~20 years earlier, and prior to gravity probe B, which confirmed (for some value of that word) the geodetic effect (frame dragging).
gabriel_laddel_p: *spherically symmetrical mass distribution with a much smaller mass inside of it that A-> induces a velocity in when moved...
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel_p i'm only vaguely familar with the matter, but my understanding was that photons are un-existed.
gabriel_laddel_p: mircea_popescu: ask a grad student (preferably one who works on antenna theory) what the A-> field _is_ and why D->/B->/E-> etc are _not_ sometime. The sheer weight of handwaving will adequately communicate why this is interesting.
mircea_popescu: i can't even be arsed to take the anglo formalism seriously. A-> field, really ? pshaw.