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mircea_popescu: the horn ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform psd and pdl, the two major political parties at the time
mircea_popescu: ro has this habit of recycling the apparatus under diff names, ~same bs as in us but gets a new name every 5ish years.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chick doesn't read code or understand anything. she just sed 's/x/y/g' 's and that's it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's these unicorns, "liberal professions". supposedly exist in some circumstances that nobody yet encountered.
mircea_popescu: hey BingoBoingo, is the mp-wp on pizarro's shared server broken or what ? i don't understand how http://archive.is/Bihzo#selection-111.0-115.1 is possible otherwise ?
asciilifeform cannot comment at all on 'liberal professions', has only ever served on galleys
asciilifeform: the horn << well, 'unicorn' neh
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/Bihzo#selection-111.0-115.1 displays correctly here btw
asciilifeform: ( shows a properly-blued '"hi, let's try ((This is how they work.)) footnotes"1' )
asciilifeform: mp-wp on shared machine is a per-user install, tho, so it is possible that somebody's is broken. that one seems to work tho
mircea_popescu: it should not be possible for a mp-wp correctly installed to display the (()) part
asciilifeform: oh hm
mircea_popescu: they resolve to footnotes.
asciilifeform: ooooh that was archiver's js
asciilifeform: nicoleci dun seem to have the mp's highlight plugin installed at al
mircea_popescu: i am not discussing highlight.
mircea_popescu: i am discussing footnote parser.
asciilifeform: aaaa
mircea_popescu: you're something else!
asciilifeform: ok yes broke
asciilifeform: !Q later tell BingoBoingo iirc you were the one who set up nicoleci's mp-wp, plox to take look ?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ( hanbot's , on same machine, worx , so it's a user-local boojum )
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the chick's something else. she loses like 40-50 iq points in writing. orally she's almost promising ; then she decides she's gonna write up an article, has a pretty decent idea for one, gets to work and what comes out is barely fit for jr high. i've never seen anything like this before.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu says she's 3digit when speaking, and only like-so when writing, i'ma believe
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem credible, does it.
asciilifeform: but only will believe cuz mircea_popescu aint in the habit of making'em up
asciilifeform: otherwise could not
trinque: mircea_popescu: this really adds to the lulz re chorus of bois begging her to say they aren't inadequate.
mircea_popescu: you know ?!
asciilifeform: trinque: mircea_popescu must've lured away the 1 gurl in that nowhere town or sumthing close
mircea_popescu: boys nothing, there's this 40something moron with a collection of "slaves" ie confused girlies on xanax, and so on. heck, danielpbarron is saving her also, apparently.
mircea_popescu: irony of ironies.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform she's from chicago.
danielpbarron: i can't save anyone
mircea_popescu: well, i can.
danielpbarron: not from eternal destruction you can't
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i went to chicago coupla times in recent yrz on snoring saecular biz, it was astonishingly fulla ragged bums ( and a++ gilged age bldgs, in pretty sad states of decay )
trinque: danielpbarron: don't you have nothing to do over a case of coors somewhere?
mircea_popescu: from anything there is.
trinque: asciilifeform: can find girl who was never forced to write anything in any city in USA
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still, 4th largest us metro area or some shit, i forget.
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc this one was a bureaucrat even, somewhere
mircea_popescu: trinque all they fucking do all day is write, you kidding me ? they work in an office, what else is there to do in an office besides writing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'powerpoint'
mircea_popescu: still takes words ooooohhh
trinque: sure, typing
mircea_popescu: destroys any notion of narrative structure, doesn't it. "bulletpoints"
asciilifeform: it's 'writing' like painting bridges is 'oil painting'
trinque: thing's full of the 'gist' of whichever thoughts she had all lined up in head
mircea_popescu: right, "bridge does perspective all by itself"
mircea_popescu: thank you two, i had nfi what was going on.
trinque tips hat
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-08#1564305 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-11-08 19:50 mircea_popescu: +30 iq points from #trilema
asciilifeform: and waiwat wat was this re danielpbarron 'saving', i missed a thread ?!
danielpbarron: i commented on the article
asciilifeform: aaaa
asciilifeform was deep in the midst of an algebraic headache for 48+ hrs, only nao getting out
mircea_popescu: nicoleci start reading here : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879221 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 00:39 mircea_popescu: in other lulz, the chick's something else. she loses like 40-50 iq points in writing. orally she's almost promising ; then she decides she's gonna write up an article, has a pretty decent idea for one, gets to work and what comes out is barely fit for jr high. i've never seen anything like this before.
mircea_popescu: and thank the good fellows, they've saved me! it turns out your problem is that you're trying to "select the gist" of your thoughts, and paste it in.
mircea_popescu: this is a very broken approach to writing -- thoughts have to flow from one another, in a constructed, harmonious whole. you're supposed to delineate the relations as well as the "gists".
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a "gist" anyway, not anymore than "niche" or "equality" or any other of a grosse pantsuit manic moronicities.
mircea_popescu: in fact, if trilema the blog is dedicated to anything as a literary exercise, it would be very plainly "there's no such thing as gists".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: meanwhile in world of... games -- asciilifeform recently had chance to put on 1 of those '3d' welding-mask display things. surprisingly good optics nao. would be interesting in eulora perhaps
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: eulora very thought-based, there's bots there's things.
asciilifeform: orthogonal to the thoughts
mircea_popescu: yeah but i mean, it's not like i have tons of art looking for ways to ease public consumption thereof.
asciilifeform: it's entertaining in strictly 'oh hey they threw brick and i can watch it hit my face' etc visceral thing.
mircea_popescu: in fact, vice-versa, been trying to hire artists for half a decade.
asciilifeform: worx pretty well even with 1980s 'battlezone'-style graphics.
asciilifeform: i spat at the idea, but was pleasantly surprised when actually tried.
mircea_popescu: well, why not i guess.
asciilifeform: the joystick that came with the thing suxxx tho
asciilifeform: apparently those went to shit while asciilifeform slept in his cave
asciilifeform: also annoying triangular pixels, i have nfi who thought that was good idea
asciilifeform bbl, petting pet, then moar maffs
mircea_popescu: nicoleci cat got your tongue ?
nicoleci: mircea_popescu, no sorry just taking it all in
lobbesbot: nicoleci: Sent 3 weeks, 5 days, 2 hours, and 59 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> s/chipher/cipher , s/Bansky/Banksy , plz
lobbesbot: nicoleci: Sent 3 weeks, 0 days, 17 hours, and 35 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> I raise your 103 words with a story http://bimbo.club/?p=82&cpage=1#comment-35
nicoleci: not always great to do the unbelievable
feedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/grace-peace-to-you-and-yours/ << Daniel P. Barron -- Grace & Peace to you and yours.
trinque: on the subject of struggles to emulate stupid, danielpbarron I can't imagine what this post is meant to convey.
trinque: couple of old women talking about who said the bad?
danielpbarron: for one, it shows how "offensive language" can be a barrier to spreading the truth. additionally, it exposes that guy in particular as being a false christian
trinque: this solipsistic head-arse system is shaped quite like gabriel_laddel by now.
trinque: any projects other than getting blocked by derps on twitter?
trinque: danielpbarron: here's a question. on the glorious day after everyone on twitter agrees, falls before lord jesus, etc., what next?
danielpbarron: next would be, Christ rules the earth for one thousand years
trinque: pats danielpbarron on the back for his twitter posts?
trinque: "Well done, good and faithful servant, retweeted"
danielpbarron: i would be taken up in the rapture before then, hopefully
danielpbarron: or died, and gone to the kingdom of God
danielpbarron: the Word is to be preached in all places, be it on the street or on twitter. And afterwards, it makes for blog content.
danielpbarron: is it really so much different than sending messages on kinky dating sites?
mircea_popescu: technically speaking, it's not "really so much different" from finnegans wake, either.
mircea_popescu: or the phonebook.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the problem could be stated as "yes, sex is universally interesting, being a fundamental human behaviour ; whereas religion is universally uninteresting, being fundamentally indistinguishable from gossip."
mircea_popescu: and not even gossip is all made the same. when i drop http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-04#1878182 it falls like a bomb because biographic minutia and "then he said"s of newton and taylor are still interesting -- these are somebodies, people who described actual, verifiable properties of defined abstracts, and so people marginally care whether they took showers or baths and so on. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-04 00:34 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-03#1878046 << you're in luck, i have it for you right here : http://archive.is/Tqi6j#selection-2159.124794-2159.124944
mircea_popescu: meanwhile some hurr about moses or abraham or whatever... these aren't somebodies. they're nobodies, did nothing, contributed nothing, i care about as much as to what abraham spawned out of which women as i care whether obama's ugly mother spit him out a week before or a week after they left kenya city harbor.
mircea_popescu: any of that make sense to you ?
danielpbarron: the truth of the Bible is universally known; to call it uninteresting is to make a fool of yourself
mircea_popescu: universally known my foot, most nobody ever read it, or could be bothered to.
mircea_popescu: the number 9 is not universally known, what hope's left for jesus or w/e action figurine.
danielpbarron: Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and
danielpbarron: Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: wouldja stop with that, you'll end up devoiced.
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=101 << Bimbo.Club -- We made it to 100!
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo: here's the accounting-side statement for november: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Xfsgf/?raw=true . production of these numbers is largely automatic, the stitching together is largely manual. now that i've coughed up november's numbers, i'll go back and apply this methodology to regenerating september and october statements, in the process identifying the bits to mechanize for future
ben_vulpes: robo-production, or ripe for surfacing through mp-wp.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: couldn't get your pg to work; psql shits out with "symbol not found"
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-16#1835094 << i did not know that statically-compiled mysql was solved; is it? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-16 16:44 mircea_popescu: diana_coman note that "binary identity" is not even necessary a premise. you can go "hey shithead, why the fuck are you linking dynamic mysql when there's been a static one for five years". or w/e.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-09#1879168 - it seems it's actually the ..vdiff that is borked on that laptop, ugh; I'll have to look into it and sort that out first ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-09 18:50 diana_coman: will do and report back when it finishes - probably I get to see it in ~12 hours from now though
diana_coman: anyway, trinque your script is actually doing the right thing as far as I can tell for now
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-03#1857602 -> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ax0HY/?raw=true ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-10-03 13:49 asciilifeform: diana_coman: interesting ; any idea re contents ?
diana_coman: I just left a tcpdump running and it seems to have gotten 428k of those over 2 months
diana_coman: and for added lolol: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IajKh/?raw=true
diana_coman: ftr that is from running the cuntoo script on a different machine - apparently I managed to find a configuration that breaks it; I'll have to see what exactly is the difference that breaks it
diana_coman: trinque, after fixing my vdiff on the laptop, I re-run the cuntoo script; it finished fine and it produced a 4.7M genesis.vpatch but the sig does NOT verify ("BAD signature")
diana_coman: let me know if there is some specific info I can provide to help re diff perhaps
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that was a putative as-to-the-eventual-future discussion. i'm not aware we have static lamp, though it's not yet clear it strictly can't be done.
diana_coman: we don't have, no; afaik it hasn't been actually tried as such, so possibly doable, no idea
mircea_popescu: * IMPORTANT: config file '/etc/hosts' needs updating. << da fuck is that.
diana_coman: I read it as "more of those 'you should prefer that' " so I ignored it entirely; from what I saw, current gentoo whines similarly of all sorts and in copious quantities
mircea_popescu: heh
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879321 << this is pretty interesting. diana_coman if you have time plz post the trimmed dump bin ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 09:40 diana_coman: I just left a tcpdump running and it seems to have gotten 428k of those over 2 months
mircea_popescu: psa : one point of mp-wp people might not be familiar with is the feed encoding. like here : http://bimbo.club/?feed=rss2 ; that leading "OTIxMjQ0NTYxMTJ8MTc5LjUwLjIyNi4xNjE=" encodes the ip of the caller. if you get your feeds republished (often done by spammers ), you de-base the string and can ban the scrapper by ip.
mircea_popescu: not perfect solution, but it's what it is.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879324 << interesting, please paste or upload so I can diff with mine. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 14:06 diana_coman: trinque, after fixing my vdiff on the laptop, I re-run the cuntoo script; it finished fine and it produced a 4.7M genesis.vpatch but the sig does NOT verify ("BAD signature")
trinque: I'll want to root out the indeterminism in the script (timestamp? machine name?) and rerelease
trinque bbl
diana_coman will go now to Reading Uni to talk to students; will bbl
mircea_popescu: o hey! have fun diana_coman
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879328 << gentoo traditionally emits this rubbish whenever you emerge a package that takes 1 or moar new /etc configisms ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 14:27 mircea_popescu: * IMPORTANT: config file '/etc/hosts' needs updating. << da fuck is that.
mircea_popescu: ic
trinque: yep, shows you diff of what the package wanted to do to the contents of /etc, iirc apt does same
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: tyvm
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: Sent 15 hours and 40 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> iirc you were the one who set up nicoleci's mp-wp, plox to take look ?
BingoBoingo: Will take a look at nicoleci's footnotes
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suspect it was operator error, meanwhile fixed. soz.
BingoBoingo: ah, ty
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879340 -> it actually was fun - it rankled them badly that "it's not fair" lol ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 15:41 mircea_popescu: o hey! have fun diana_coman
diana_coman: I'll get around to do a write-up hopefully
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what was the lecture about ?
asciilifeform: ( .. what was 'not fair' )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, basically "what is bitcoin" + innovation vs subversion and I used WoT + V as examples; the WoT sparked a ton of questions
diana_coman: I'll publish the slides and all
BingoBoingo: Meanwhile in local spats: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/ministra-cosse-pidio-declaracion-de-esencialidad-en-los-combustibles-2018121011041
asciilifeform: aa
BingoBoingo: Apparently the local stooges are leaning increasingly on essentialidad during these spats https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/un-recorrido-por-los-decretos-de-esencialidad-del-gobierno--20181210142625
asciilifeform: diana_coman: will be interesting to see this talk !
diana_coman: you know, I asked the prof to take at least some pictures and he was so intently following that he...forgot; had to ask him at the end to take at least 2, lol
diana_coman: anyways, now I'm kind of curious whether any of them actually makes a key and shows up in #eulora or somewhere
bvt: hello, i'm back in the saddle. i intend to finish the ada syscalls around next weekend (23.12)
asciilifeform: wb bvt
bvt: trinque: i also have problems verifying the genesis.vpatch that i got from running ./bootstrap.sh. 1 question: which exactly vdiff should i use? the one from vtools or from http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vdiff-fixes/ ?
bvt: the genesis.vpatch from vtools vdiff is here: http://bvt-trace.net/pub/genesis.vpatch the one from sha512sum vdiff: http://bvt-trace.net/pub/genesis-sha512.vpatch
bvt: thx asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: diana_coman nice.
asciilifeform laughed at 'bitcoin not fair' for yrs. wtf is 'fair'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform whatever rando schmuck feels like. what, that's not how things go ?!@??!?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yea but is there a coherent picture in the psychosis or only rng barf.
mircea_popescu: rng barf.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : https://i.ibb.co/rcgdpmC/Screenshot-29.png << should be fun to see how "BDSM Liberals" take it.
mircea_popescu: fair, rite.
asciilifeform: avik bhattacharya << holyfuq, them?! ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-12#1682041 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-12 20:30 asciilifeform: is this same 'for' as when the good doktor chowdhra offered to accept nobel 'for satoshi' ?
asciilifeform: 1st time i hear of india programmer type trying to mircea_popescuate
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879373 << They are probably going to wonder what you offer that competes with Xanax ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 19:38 mircea_popescu: speaking of which : https://i.ibb.co/rcgdpmC/Screenshot-29.png << should be fun to see how "BDSM Liberals" take it.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/ << Ossasepia -- My Talk of Bitcoin at Reading Uni
asciilifeform: oh hey!
diana_coman: criticism welcome - I'll take notes for next time basically
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the only immediate gotcha that stands out to asciilifeform's lens is that the public crypto example was rsa ( did anyone ask 'but prof. coman, bitcoin dun use rsa?' )
asciilifeform: this is moar of a fault of bitcoin, rather than diana_coman's lecture tho..
diana_coman: no, nobody asked
asciilifeform: i suppose it was the usual veggie undergrad audience, then
diana_coman: and for that matter I did not even mention rsa by name
asciilifeform: right, not named, but clear from http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/10/my-talk-of-bitcoin-at-reading-uni/#selection-75.1-75.249
diana_coman: they did wake up at some point and esp re the WoT - perhaps it was closer home, or perhaps it rankled more
asciilifeform reads on..
diana_coman: well yes, clear is clear for who has any idea ; but tbh I think it was the first time they really got *any* idea re crypto at all
diana_coman: trinque, the cuntoo genesis .vpatch I got is at http://ossasepia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/genesis_2018_12_10.vpatch
trinque: thanks!
diana_coman: now I'm even curious if it's the same as bvt's
diana_coman: np, let me know if there's anything else I can provide to help
trinque: guess what, I'm an idjit and used sha vdiff, it appears! hashes are where mine differs from diana_coman
diana_coman: o.O
trinque: this is encouraging though, everything else looks like a direct hit
trinque: ah, nope, few other differences besides that. I'll work through this and report what I find.
diana_coman: kk; meanwhile I still have on the list to figure out what's the diff that messes up the python installation thing on the other machine...
trinque: diana_coman: that appears to be that your host machine doesn't have a /dev/shm mounted. python's build requires it, haven't investigated why
asciilifeform wrapping up re-baked proof of ch.14, after that will give trinque's thing a try
trinque: /dev/shm is a ramdisk
asciilifeform: trinque: i think my box from last test also had no /dev/shm
diana_coman: trinque, onth the host machine otherwise *does* have python installed, v 2.7.6 so dunno, somehow it did install it without the shm thing
trinque: diana_coman: if gentoo, could be same python as came with your stage3; if something else, it's only required to build python, not to run it
diana_coman: it's xubuntu, not gentoo
trinque: ah k, that'd explain it. wasn't built there, just unpacked from package.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879331 -> I just looked and apparently I misspoke re number - that was counting all the UDP tests I made too, so no, overall not *that* many; at any rate, after the UDP test finished, the tcpdump kept on listening and I got this: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/oonKc/?raw=true ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 15:18 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879321 << this is pretty interesting. diana_coman if you have time plz post the trimmed dump bin
diana_coman: as it's all pizarro anyway I suppose you can just set up some testing if you want more details on that
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at your earliest convenience, plz route all packets having unassigned ip as destionation, to the 2nd nic on dulap, i'd like to make 'radiotelescope' for martian udp there
diana_coman: for completeness, the tcpdump cmd was this: tcpdump -i eth0 udp port 7000 -vv -X
asciilifeform: *destination
asciilifeform: diana_coman: interesting, all but 1 seem to be garbage from the switch ; and the remaining 1 seems to be a ... voip spam attempt
diana_coman: aha, the "telephone adapter" thing
asciilifeform: from... iceland, of all places
diana_coman: lol!
diana_coman: why not, what's wrong with iceland?!
asciilifeform: i have heard they're tryin' to edge into the spam dc market
asciilifeform: anybody got a voip rig ? give'em a call, 185.53.91.28:7000, see who picks up...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, some packing peanuts engineer
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the voip spammer ?!
mircea_popescu: the avik dood.
asciilifeform: aah
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, i'm reading the log in order lol.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879377 << dude's pretty lulzy, "law-of-attracted" himself being a "data architect". meanwhile works for some obscure packaging materials manufacturer. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 19:41 asciilifeform: 1st time i hear of india programmer type trying to mircea_popescuate
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's 'law-of-attracted'
mircea_popescu: but whatever, some people manage the cern datahose, some people count the packing peanuts, it's all numbers right.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cca 2005ish packaging of the pantsuit/usgtard ideas on magic. nth rehash of the "if you think something really really hard it will be".
asciilifeform: aa the 'fake till make' thing
mircea_popescu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_attraction_%28New_Thought%29
mircea_popescu: oh this is fucking precious. behold :
mircea_popescu: "In the New Thought philosophy, the Law of Attraction is the belief that by focusing on positive or negative thoughts, people can bring positive or negative experiences into their life.[1][2] The belief is based on the idea that people and their thoughts are both made from pure energy, and that through the process of like energy attracting like energy a person can improve their own health, wealth, and personal relationships. "
mircea_popescu: positive and negative ENERGY, because it's not a scalar anymore.
asciilifeform: ugh raw chukcha
mircea_popescu: and paduche la paduche trage, because they never went to school, never heard of charge, weak nuclear force, etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-10#1879384 << she went by ye olde http://trilema.com/2011/ce-este-bitcoin/ which deliberately makes this "mistake". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-10 23:08 asciilifeform: this is moar of a fault of bitcoin, rather than diana_coman's lecture tho..