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BingoBoingo: And in timely rereadings http://trilema.com/2014/venetian-republic-and-find-spiritual-music/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740667 <<< afaik it never was anyhthing besides "rural western us middle aged women with delusions of self-importance". 45yo oregon dwelling ex-waitress with an interest in spirituality / 38 yo illiterate "princeton graduate" with 1mn in debt and ~0 yearly income 80% of okcupid demo.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:51 BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (apparently okcupid went full app-shit sometime in the interval also ?) << The website has increasingly little to hook, and is increasingly poorly populated. Last week Uruguay had 4 girls, now has 2. Extrapolating from Uruguay's 4 million population this means ~35000 girls is all okc has left. Been in decline for a while, but now fallen sharply.
BingoBoingo: You forget the entire Pinay diaspora farms it
BingoBoingo: But yeah, that's about it
BingoBoingo: Hong Kong, much Pinay diaspora, much OKc still. Prolly the demographic least sensitive to web design suck. Further proving the point of Namecheap's demise
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740665 << amusingly, the 2015 trilema lulz re okcupid ( http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/ ) / his 2016 disappearance ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697386 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458351 ) match remarkably well ; which begs the question why say "keeping pretty busy" in preference of "wrote to IAC after you mock-exploited one of their 'properties' and got hir☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:46 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740657 << this is actually pretty sad.
a111: Logged on 2017-08-13 20:32 mike_c: hey, look at that
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 03:01 mike_c: at least you won the 'most famous mircea popescu' award - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=mircea+popescu
mircea_popescu: ed". but anyway.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you ever seen the "banking apps" of azns ?
mircea_popescu: (windows got a sort of monopoly for banking there, it's hysterical what stack they run)
asciilifeform: ahahaha the zoological reservation where e.g. 512bit rsa lives
asciilifeform: and 64bit aes, etc
mircea_popescu: oya
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: AHA, notably worst in Lower Korea/Japan.
mircea_popescu: yea
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740664 << see also capcaun.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:45 asciilifeform: capcană ahahahahaha
BingoBoingo: Less developed Asia tends towards "apps" but Peak Asia tends to Windows 98 SE in lucite
asciilifeform: i assume sumthinglike 'bear trap'
asciilifeform: unless it's yet another falsecognate
asciilifeform: ( to ru капкан )
mircea_popescu: capcană = trap, generally in the physical sense. căpcăun = strange item, pluriously rendered as ogre, troll etc. basically ro folklore big bad. in all appearances direct survivor of greek antrophophagos.
BingoBoingo: In still other headlines of the interlanguage frontier: " Trump Tweets “I Should Have Left Them in Jail” About UCLA Basketball Players Arrested in China"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740818 << d00d has some explainin' to do, if he ever reappears☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:09 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740665 << amusingly, the 2015 trilema lulz re okcupid ( http://trilema.com/2015/okcupidcom-the-dating-site/ ) / his 2016 disappearance ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-13#1697386 http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-27#1458351 ) match remarkably well ; which begs the question why say "keeping pretty busy" in preference of "wrote to IAC after you mock-exploited one of their 'properties' and got hir
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740688 << politruk gotta politruk. speaking of which, anyone got pics of Gabriella Coleman's remarkably ugly tits ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 15:06 asciilifeform: runs... tor.
asciilifeform: whossat
mircea_popescu: male-looking "anthropologist" "with an interest in" "online activism". ((())) ((()))((())) ((())) sets supplied for reader's convenience in separate packaging.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the odd thing re blaze is that , unless there was a completely other matt blaze working for at&t -- he's the d00d with the only published attempt at a provably hard symmetric cipher , in 1990s
asciilifeform: ( we did the proof here, it did not withstand the harsh lamps )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg remora. nothing any ... wtf was that schmucks name...
mircea_popescu: brb
mircea_popescu: right so : usg remora. nothing any http://trilema.com/2015/more-factored-rsa-keys-and-assorted-other-considerations/#selection-413.0-419.38 / http://trilema.com/2016/psa-hanno-bock-still-a-deceitful-shitbag/ "publishes" may be credited to them.
mircea_popescu: that nsa chose to publish some derpage through usg.nsa.x-shithead or through usg.nsa.y-shithead is not a meaningful point of difference.
mircea_popescu: in no case may such be used to establish any kind of professional credentials for the designated x, y, etceteras.
asciilifeform: 'shakespeare or other man by same name' (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: connivance in usgtardation renders professional merit ~impossible~ and that's the final word on that matter.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite.
mircea_popescu: and so, to get back to it, and in the words of the great nigger Hussein Bahamas, "if you did a thing you didn't do that thing". therefore matt blaze neither was touched nor could have been touched by anyone, be they john drapper or anyone else ; nor has matt blaze had published anything of any note, re ciphers or cooking or anything else.
asciilifeform rereads the rsakeys trilema. stimulating.
asciilifeform: i nearly forgot the item with the diff trick.
mircea_popescu: good to have a blog, i routinely forget shit i did, then i end up confronted with it and im like... hey. pretty cool!
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740838 << i dunno, what explaining'd be there ? "they offered a job and i... took it". pretty sure his previous spot sucked arse, guy was getting stress blisters. family man, gotta provide, what.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:21 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740818 << d00d has some explainin' to do, if he ever reappears
asciilifeform: i guess.
asciilifeform: it is possible to work in the saeculum without having one's face plastered on a sad sack of sad rogue's gallery tho
mircea_popescu: venetian kid had clear "go east, m'boy, sail east. till you've made your gold coin chest you've no business LIVING in venice. you're born and you return here, that's all."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and that helps anything ? i'd rather marry the whore the brothel uses to advertise than a different, "secret" one.
mircea_popescu: at least she's good at it.
asciilifeform: not all brothel created equal tho
mircea_popescu: iac shack seems among the benign-est.
asciilifeform: i suppose compared to, say, microshit -- yes
asciilifeform: ( iirc d00d at one time toiled in the mines at microshit itself )
mircea_popescu: compared to what -- no ?
mircea_popescu: i remember that, cuz i was liek "burn down all ms employees" and he was like "shit, i'm in trouble"
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: yea that was when i learned it
mircea_popescu: anyway, srsly, married guy with small kids. gotta bring home some kind of bacon. he tried to put that idea into work, with you recall, betting something. imo did a great run of it, too. but it didn't catch. so he tried something else and that caught better.
asciilifeform: right. depressing.
mircea_popescu: what complaint can there be had ? "starve to the light" is for teens, small children have no useful fat reserves.
asciilifeform: ( was interesting episode, the 'war of life' thing, where the entirely unrelated d00d went apeshit over its closing )
mircea_popescu: i don't recall that part ?
asciilifeform: !#seen ThickAsThieves
a111: 2014-11-03 <ThickAsThieves> but you da boss
mircea_popescu: but yes, was kinda sad it went nowhere, he certainly made a something out of nothing.
asciilifeform: ^ him
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought that was re me de-backing altcoin once it become obvious can't work
mircea_popescu: (admittedly, it became obvious to me faster than "to most people" or w/e)
asciilifeform: iirc it was from WoL flame on trilema
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: in comments under the closing statement, iirc
mircea_popescu: well, archeologists of the future are welcome to resolve this, i ain't digging.
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2014/waroflife-swol-october-2014-statement-closing/ << subj
mircea_popescu: yes but rarely will a us born esl fellow wriote his angst under the correct piece.
mircea_popescu: gotta disawov and shit.
asciilifeform: i was stuck on a plane with that d00d, pretty far gone case
mircea_popescu: was he the one dedicated to the service of some woman ?
asciilifeform: ( even at the time, was obvious sufferer )
asciilifeform: aha him
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with slavebois.
asciilifeform: was far from his home element, if a slave.
mircea_popescu: anyway, getting briefly back to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740875 : the importance of big boobs in women is exactly this : if you make the decision to forced march through desert, the offspring of A-cup camp followers will die ; DD and so forth will survive -- female body will melt the tit into nothing before letting kid starve, whole process driven by that one true whip of the female psyche, the child-dying-of-hunger☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:43 mircea_popescu: what complaint can there be had ? "starve to the light" is for teens, small children have no useful fat reserves.
mircea_popescu: -cry. it's an item, even if "everybody" meanwhile "forgot".
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, having a harem of galon-boobed females is the ~only sort-of get-out-of-jail-card for http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/ problem,
mircea_popescu: specifically the "Si daca tot m-am enervat, sa facem si o regula : cine se casatoreste nu mai are dreptul sa fie dizident. Dizidenta e pentru barbati, nu pentru pulalai inscrisi in registru' reproductiv al neamului. Odata ce te-ai casatorit cu una ai terminat-o cu pretentiile si nemultumirile apropo de "orinduirea sociala". Nu mai ai ce sa comentezi, te inscrii acolo in ordine asa cum este ea si iti vezi de sters cacatu' de p
mircea_popescu: e bec sau de pe unde mai ajunge el intr-o gospodarie normala cu copii mici." bit.
asciilifeform: too many forced marches like this and you end up with africa-style 'instant balloon' genotype
asciilifeform: so has down side.
mircea_popescu: hey. don't make the call unless it's warranted.
mircea_popescu: there is unlimited responsibility bundled with unlimited power.
asciilifeform: oh hah i can finally read that.
mircea_popescu: (whole thing is entirely symbolic by now, obviously. but at one point ...)
asciilifeform: ( re the 2012 piece )
mircea_popescu: lemme know if problem.
asciilifeform: btw, for my fellow rotakus ( shinohai , pete_dushenski , ben_vulpes .. ? ) grep -i '^foobar' ro_eng_ascii.txt finds word foobar.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are you gonna vpatch the new dict on the old btw ? or what's next step here ?
asciilifeform: which new
mircea_popescu: sql item linked today
asciilifeform: that's separate item tho. it's a толковый словарь
mircea_popescu: so is your original, has word, definition, english equiv.
asciilifeform: prolly oughta turn into plain txt and genesisate tho.
mircea_popescu: can readily replacve the middle column
shinohai: Would be greatly appreciated to have plaintext item, asciilifeform .... I also prefer to simply grep word I am looking for whilst studying.
mircea_popescu: the correct transform imo would be from your (word/dubious expl/engl equiv) into (word/proposed english equiv/ipa notation/proper dex expl). this can be done mechanically on the basis of the two items.
asciilifeform: waitasec how to mechanize the ipa ?
mircea_popescu: look at it, it's always separated in the definition, at beginning
asciilifeform: aa hmm.
mircea_popescu: you could ALSO add the etymology notation as separate field, but can also leave it as is (part of the expl)
mircea_popescu: now, i would much appreciate if you took the current bs and ipa'd it properly (it's not THAT hard, ro ipa set is narrow and unambiguous)
mircea_popescu: but with those changes you not only have only ro dict online, but you also have best ro dict ever made in 3k years of ro history.
asciilifeform: the one i genesised ? it's been de-orced, so to ipaize gotta be re-orced
mircea_popescu: making you a major cultural player, in the vein of dead people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz no ascii-ipa hm ?
asciilifeform: this also. but i was speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740588☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 02:00 asciilifeform: caveat x2 : no îțâșă . but it was missing in the original, i did not remove it. ascii-only, in the derp's original, e.g. 'uşă' turns into 'usa'.
mircea_popescu: wut do we do.
asciilifeform: The Trooo Ultimate Ro Dict prolly oughta be a sexpr
asciilifeform: with (yes) orcographic word, inflections, ipaism, dexism.
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: lol randomly perusing we find "a da muie la statuie" (to fuck statue face), ie superlative dissidence.
asciilifeform: it is truly mind-boggling, this item was possible already around 1995 or so. and yet afaik exists for no language.
mircea_popescu: ikr.
asciilifeform: nao, a language, granted, is moar than merely its dictionary. but innit a crying shame, that we're still stuck with shit dictionaries.
mircea_popescu: very much so.
mircea_popescu: this would be (as per tradition / discussion yest etc) actually a very powerful item ~for the student of english~, too. even if he only spake english.
asciilifeform: verily.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, for some reason i thought dex included a pronounciation guide, but it seems mostly absent/unreliable.
mircea_popescu: so i guess we can skip the ipa bit for now
asciilifeform: i'd settle for getting the orcograms back in 'ro_eng'
mircea_popescu: pretty sure my item is 100% diacritic-ized.
asciilifeform: ( would put'em as a middle column, rather than in place of the existing )
asciilifeform: dex ? yea it is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can even put them as aside binary blob, as discussed re fg/bootturds etc. "you wanrt to see the orcograms, find item #x in list"
asciilifeform: well in sexpr they'd end up named, things like #\Alef
asciilifeform: rather than binturds
mircea_popescu: this would be a good thing in the eye of the lord.
asciilifeform: ( the lisp folx, fwiw, largely finessed the orcogram problem before utf8 climbed down from the trees )
mircea_popescu: anyway, to leave the pressure off : im still willing to go through it by line and improve as time permits, but there's no rush, so let's first make an optimal basis and see.
asciilifeform: long term thing. nobody yet baked a dictionary in a day, lol
mircea_popescu: ro guy spent life trying to bake dict
mircea_popescu: !~google b p hasdeu
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Bogdan Petriceicu Hasdeu - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Petriceicu_Hasdeu>; Bogdan Petriceicu Hasdeu National College - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Petriceicu_Hasdeu_National_College>; Bogdan Petriceicu Hasdeu - Wikipedia: <https://ro.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogdan_Petriceicu_Hasdeu>
mircea_popescu: let's also see if phf wants to add nething.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as an aside : the "limba romana este singura limba care se scrie cum se citeste" ro linguistics dogmatics promises there's a workable ro-ipaize-tron somewhere. at least in the sense of "we could get 99% success rate". it IS a point of fact that ~any romanian speaker can correctly notate new words on the basis of sound, and this is PRECISELY the sort of artificial intelligence that's amenable to numeric methods.
mircea_popescu: so notbad ai side project imo
mircea_popescu: in the sense that the resulting code would be in itself an interesting knowledge pile.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to eg alphabet co go-playing code.
asciilifeform: dunno if 'se scrie cum se citeste' claim of ro is any moar troo than the ru 'как слышится так и пишется' truism
mircea_popescu: i suspect it is. no proof until code written of course.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's try this. make up a girl's name and i'll tell you how it sounds in romanian. then diana_coman spyked alex_c whosoever else can confirm or infirm.
mircea_popescu: (point being -- UNKNOWN romanian words stll have a strict phonetic / alphabetic correspondence in romanian. somehow. how ?)
asciilifeform: unknown words get the regular algo and that's that, they're never the problem
asciilifeform: the problem is typically common-use irregulars
mircea_popescu: i can't think of one ; except for imports (see eg http://trilema.com/2010/care-sunt-iq-tau/#comment-123116 margot, read in ro in the french manner).
mircea_popescu: stands out like sore thumb for it too, wtf is that o.
asciilifeform: see in ru we dun have this problem , it gets fixed 'automagically', e.g. Марго
asciilifeform: ( you can't write the loaned name in orc directly, so it gets properly phonized )
mircea_popescu: yes well.
mircea_popescu: but incidentally -- same treatment could be applied to ru-eng item, resulting in a megabridge here.
asciilifeform: ( nobody in ru has a problem knowing how to say e.g. Чаушеску . it's a nearly magical fix. )
mircea_popescu: how about hors d'oeuvres ?
asciilifeform: ipatronic ru dict is just about trivial.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: закуски!!1111
mircea_popescu: (is hysterical bit re this in classical ro comedy film, "monsieur se scrie, monsieur se citeste, ci tat umbli cu cioara vapsita!")
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahyah win
mircea_popescu: anywauy, i didn't mean "same treatment" in the sense of ipaization, i meant same treatment in the sense of translaty/explainy flatfile.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: then you can ACTUALLY translate, for once.
mircea_popescu: got a gateway to latin and a gateway to the east, and the idiotic lingua franca of stupid people as the archimede screw for it all.
asciilifeform: there's a whole bunch of'em on www. asciilifeform has not formally collected, compared, yet.
asciilifeform: e.g. http://www.lib.ru/DIC/OZHEGOW/ozhegow_p_r.txt
mircea_popescu: this looks like proper item.
asciilifeform: prolly the best known one.
asciilifeform: 19th c
asciilifeform: or hm
asciilifeform: strike that, 1949.
asciilifeform: ( still in print. )
mircea_popescu: "ПАТЕНТ, -а, м. 1. Документ, свидетельствующий о праве изобретателя на его изобретение, о его приоритете. Получить п. на изобретение. 2. Свидетельство на право занятия торговлей, промыслом. || прил. патентный, -ая, -ое. Патентное прав
mircea_popescu: о."
mircea_popescu: i like this.
mircea_popescu: somehow a dictionary entry is the best way to distinguish men from idiots.
asciilifeform: the english one, afaik, is 19th c, at least most recent as exists on www >> https://ia800500.us.archive.org/15/items/webstersunabridg29765gut/29765-8.txt << for completeness.
mircea_popescu: ynot bridged together ?
mircea_popescu is noticing how this "how come nothing was done before republic got to it" point is fading out of discourse. trite!
asciilifeform: 'tis trooo tho
mircea_popescu: myeah.
asciilifeform: no reason these should not all exist as 1 hyper-whatevertron.
mircea_popescu: right ? such items are useful if properly featured
asciilifeform: it was promised to me in 1995!11111
asciilifeform: 'html will give world dictionary...'
mircea_popescu: which doesn't mean creeping featuritis, but ALSO does not mean "here's half of koschei's heart in lib.ru domain and other half buried way across buyan, in us.archive.org"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ? the previous set of globalists, with the tripod sites etc, promised lots of jules verne crap, went away like nothing.
asciilifeform: nao there is some devil in the details, namely what to do with linkages that aren't straight equivalence, b/w word-in-a and word-in-b
mircea_popescu: wind of change my ass ; eat more fucking fiber fuckers!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform always a problem of translaty dict, as discussed. no way out of this, translaty dict is perl.
mircea_popescu: but if explainy part provided, some perl on the side is no longer brain rotting.
mircea_popescu: rather -- no longer guaranteed to give brain damage.
mircea_popescu: ("but mp, wtf is explainy, not an english word" "fuck you.")
mircea_popescu: im not saying explainatory, esp because wtf is translatatory then.
asciilifeform: i find it interesting, entomologically, what the anglotards did with the idea of dictionary. they turned instrument ~for learning language~ into one ~for avoiding learning language~ -- the result is google's 'translate'
mircea_popescu: quite.
mircea_popescu: much like they managed to turn banking system from system for achieving wealth to system for avoiding wealth.
mircea_popescu: it's the anglocurse.
asciilifeform: to make the one instrument of enstupefaction, they used enuff sweat to make ten of actual learning
asciilifeform: that's the surreal bit
mircea_popescu: myeah
asciilifeform: back to the baseline item ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740660 ) -- if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , spyked , ... ( who else we have ? ) would like to submit corrections/additions/subtractions -- plox to vpatch☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 14:42 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740653 >> neato! >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_genesis.vpatch + http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ro_eng_genesis.vpatch.asciilifeform.sig .
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2012/cine-se-casatoreste/#comment-83174 << item from ancient trilema "how about if there was some chick that got implanted ovules from right-to-life xtian women only and strictly to abort them 10 weeks in as a trolling thing"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so are we deciding that is to be the base item and not gonna dump new dex into it ?
asciilifeform: i dun see it as a blocking operation
asciilifeform: can extend the primitive dict for nao, then merge laters.
mircea_popescu: it's blocking in my head cuz im not gonna edit items by hand if they're gonna be updated by machine.
mircea_popescu: general principle, handwork lastwork.
asciilifeform: the machine would still do the Right Thing later, when merging into the larger dex
asciilifeform: but i'd be curious to hear what various folx ( phf , say ) have to say re optimal data structure for dicts.
asciilifeform brb,meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can't do the right thing if i changed the explanation.
mircea_popescu: whole idea now is "can safely replace explanation from 1 with item from 2". if we break this re 1 wtf do we do, you write AI to discern between dex-powered and mp-powered explanations of words ?
mircea_popescu: and in other blondies, http://78.media.tumblr.com/f40c5631c395c433fb12e82d0cc00a28/tumblr_nll1clsuEJ1rszn81o1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, srsly, married guy with small kids. gotta bring home some kind of bacon. he tried to put that idea into work, with you recall, betting something. imo did a great run of it, too. but it didn't catch. so he tried something else and that caught better. << AHA, does not have young unmarried unchilded option of hardware store to contribute minmally to USGism on principle
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it was promised to me in 1995!11111 << HYPERCARD!!!
BingoBoingo: Arrival in Montevideo arranged for Dec 6th, at same time as departing prior day.
BingoBoingo: !!up zod_
deedbot: zod_ voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Sup zod_
zod_: what do y'all think of http://upspin.io/ ?
zod_: BingoBoingo not much
zod_: just reading https://moronlab.blogspot.ca/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html
zod_: i mean https://moronlab.blogspot.ca/2010/01/urbit-functional-programming-from.html?showComment=1263570771214#c6454142774827414532
BingoBoingo: zod_ Let's get to know each other first? Who is your daddy and what does he do?
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740911 << nifty! cheers☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 00:56 asciilifeform: btw, for my fellow rotakus ( shinohai , pete_dushenski , ben_vulpes .. ? ) grep -i '^foobar' ro_eng_ascii.txt finds word foobar.
zod_: BingoBoingo my dad lives in new york and drives a taxi. and my mom hopes he's gonna die soon.
BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SN7sLORnYQ
zod_: BingoBoingo https://youtu.be/-ahtp0sjA5U
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740754 << am i the only one who can't read "dex" without thinking "dexedrine" ? phf ?☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-19 19:19 mircea_popescu: an antique and therefore reliable copy of the dex (dictionar explicativ al limbii romane). 80 mb's worth.
shinohai: Take a handful, write entire Romanian dictionary by hand in 2 nights.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I am pretty sure most of us thing "levo"
pete_dushenski: shinohai: lol
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: oh ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know, different rotations
BingoBoingo: Thinking dexedrine is the only dex isomered thing is racis
BingoBoingo: many things can be dex rotary
pete_dushenski: aha you sneaky chemist you. making me recall my organic chem from uni! i actually really enjoyed that class. it was one of my better marks in first year. b!
pete_dushenski wasn't a steller uni student. played too much poker.
BingoBoingo was above average uni student, chemically insulated from ambient retardation
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728845 << update on Madonna of the Yarnwinder auction... sold for ~only~ $450mn.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-25 18:02 mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski considering the current bezzle pressure / overwhelming inflation and the very personal-brand-oriented populace, it will probably be 1bn just to be able to say 1bn.
pete_dushenski: "At some level, the $450 million number is so big as to be meaningless. If I told you that the painting was bought for 60,000 bitcoins, would that make it easier to stomach?" << lulzomatic commentary on said auction from felix salmon https://tinyletter.com/felixsalmon/letters/nota-bene-10
pete_dushenski: sorry, painting was Salvator Mundi, not Madonna...
pete_dushenski: "Maybe the $450 million is just a function of how rich the world's richest people have become. The price needed to be that high, just for them to notice the money." << salmon is right here at least. stacks of gov-backed paper just don't feel like all that much these days.
asciilifeform: 'rare art' is simply low-tech pre-bitcoin btc for lizards
asciilifeform: inflation-proof money bag.
pete_dushenski: much prettier than btc too but that mostly depends on how much you're turned on by p2p network mechanics
asciilifeform: often enuff ugly as used toiletpaper.
asciilifeform: important bit is that it be authenticable.
pete_dushenski: aha. "modern art" is often just so soiled as to be rightfully confused for tp.
pete_dushenski: and then there are those who take it too literally http://neemic.asia/image/data/blog_images/wang%20lei0%20copy.jpg
pete_dushenski: via http://neemic.asia/Wang-Lei%27s-Toilet-Paper-Fashion
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 7930.01, vol: 8686.66837267 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 7985.0, vol: 40829.7866509 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 7945.1, vol: 2819.53208687 | Volume-weighted last average: 7973.72326182
BingoBoingo: And in appcidental research into the market value of SUTO grad student labor: "Images of delivery take-home pay amounts posted to the Instacart shoppers’ Facebook group show recent instances where workers are sometimes making less than minimum wage for several hours of work. One woman showed $16.95 for seven hours of work in Jackson, Mississippi. Another said she was paid $13.30 for a three-hour job in St. Louis, Missouri. Yet anothe
BingoBoingo: r woman posted a screenshot for $2.80 after doing a two-hour pickup and delivery in Austin, Texas."
cazalla: not shitfaced this time :)
cazalla: BingoBoingo, safe travels
BingoBoingo: Ah, welcome back
BingoBoingo: What's your timeline to Poland looking like?
cazalla: they drag their ass on paperwork so who knows on the citizenship part
cazalla: the leaving part... i had downed almost a bottle of vodka, would like to buy a place there and take the kids with me but leaving them would be a bit much
BingoBoingo: Ah, is it one that might be easier to get in country?
cazalla: yeah, doing it from here, but they translate my documents and submit paperwork and apparently can take a while.. 3, 6, 12 months once all is said and done from start (kicked it off maybe 4 months ago getting dox) to finish
BingoBoingo: One could always make more kids with the Polish girls. Just make sure to get at least three so the jealousy keeps each in line.
cazalla: will be easier getting it for the kids, i'm thinking convince missus we go for 6 month holiday, then buy and just stay
cazalla: really dont want to send them to school here :\
cazalla: no amount of money can fix some problems eh
BingoBoingo: Ah
cazalla: not that poland would be some paradise but step up from here, and i think kids would benefit from another language, young enough to pick up polish as first language instead of english
BingoBoingo: Don't have to fixate on Poland though, could look to Romania and be the alfneighbor
BingoBoingo: In other news, Charlie Manson Dead
cazalla: lol pm from vexual, was outside watering the plants m80
cazalla: BingoBoingo, who knows, time will tell i guess, not sure what else to do with myself besides this idea anyway
cazalla: maybe learn to fly
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe start an ISP in Poland, keep backup plan in case tanks start rolling?
cazalla: i imagine that would get struck down on account of it being a NATO state
BingoBoingo: Maybe flip Poland over first?
cazalla: what do you mean by flip
BingoBoingo: face down ass up, you know.. how you win hearts and future ex-girlfriends
cazalla: ah, def gonna go and spend some time there and surrounding countries
cazalla: guess fly back and forth in attempt to be a dad without guilt lol
BingoBoingo: brb sleepime. Gotta morning full of correspondence planned
cazalla: ttyl
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741043 << more of the same nonsense. whoever is involved in that should drop everything they're doing, quit their "job", give away their "devices", burn down their "books", tell all their "friends" to go fucking kill themselves and take a curator (see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-06#1721615 ) job for a year or so while eating nothing but tmsr logs.☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:32 zod_: what do y'all think of http://upspin.io/ ?
a111: Logged on 2017-10-06 06:06 mircea_popescu: btw, is that the new "african american" pc term ? i seem to recall chapelle making a big deal out of wanting to be called a "custodian" in one of those hennifer-lopez level horrifyingly bad flicks he keeps churning out.
mircea_popescu: it's not merely a shame that "such problems" are continuously "identified" by idiots, but that the scream for help universally goes unheeded. if you think ~about~ such things as upspin.io, i don't mean if you're "working" at them or anything like that, if you merely think ABOUT them you're certifiably SUTO. get the fuck out, completely, right now, it's a worse addiction than krakadil. parts of your body are falling off!
mircea_popescu: if these kinds of non-items, memetic prions are anywhere in your mental space, you're suffering, from a disease. "if you're reading it, it's for you", and it's for you because you've already got a heavy load of misfolded protein.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741055 << if only that's how it worked.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:41 shinohai: Take a handful, write entire Romanian dictionary by hand in 2 nights.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741065 << well at least market didn't "deflate".☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:46 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-25#1728845 << update on Madonna of the Yarnwinder auction... sold for ~only~ $450mn.
mircea_popescu: (notes : desomorphine, item standing with heroin in about same relation tub-brewed methamphetamine stands with adderall)
diana_coman: wtf that upspin; ftr the answers are no, no, no and NO, who has such "problems" anyway
mircea_popescu: !#s "graduate student"
a111: 26 results for "\"graduate student\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22graduate%20student%22
mircea_popescu: idle over-ripe esl males, who.
diana_coman: tbh it sounds more like teenage kids with too much pocket money or something
diana_coman: but I suppose it's about the same thing by now anyway
mircea_popescu: teenagers ? these are 30yos.
mircea_popescu: the age of maturity keeps cheezing away
diana_coman: myeah, that's my "same thing by now anyway"
diana_coman: unrelated: asciilifeform's dic has this weird "a arunca buretele" but doesn't have "a caca steagul"!!!11
mircea_popescu: wtf is the former ?
diana_coman: I never heard it; dic says it's same as "a capitula"; possibly in a sponge-fight I'd gather
mircea_popescu: oh, retroversion of "throw in the towel"
mircea_popescu: pretty crappy sauce.
diana_coman: then they should add tambour de livre too at least
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: in related lulz, "Financial Struggles & Relationships, Journal Entry | 3 minutes ago : So I'm moving soon and am trying to scrape together enough money to pay for the move and for school fees so that I can get enrolled and back to classes. In order to do this, I basically have to sell all my gaming stuff since I don't qualify for any loans. The problem with that is that gaming is my life and pretty much my main form of stress
mircea_popescu: relieve. So even the idea of having to sell everything is killing me inside and stressing me. This is unfortunately causing problems with my (sorta) girlfriend since I just can't bring myself to get into anything sexual while it's on my mind. I feel bad that I am letting my personal problems affect her, but I don't know how to get myself into a better situation."
diana_coman: poor girlfriend
mircea_popescu: i don't think she knows.
diana_coman: ah, "sorta girlfriend", can be; onth I did stumble upon all sorts of reports from the other side: "my bf is all the time on his xbox, wut do" and so on
mircea_popescu: https://ibb.co/iyW1oR << dood in question. 21yo ninja.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman i think it's evident women are to blame!
diana_coman: if that did at least something....; and ugh
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: but, democracy, rite ? gotta provide housing, food, loose shoes and a warm hole to sploodge in for ALL THESE.
mircea_popescu: maybe if he took teh red pill ? do you think wikireddit could help him ? if he were more... less... i mean... if he where the fuck's that gunwitch dood.
diana_coman: the way it goes then is that "but they weren't supposed to be like THAT!"
mircea_popescu: "Your initial state when seeing women you want is very important: the right one will cause you to approach them, the wrong one will panic and confuse you - preventing you from taking any action to ever meet them. If you do not meet them you almost certainly CANNOT have sex with them. Your internal state when you first see an attractive woman must be one of sexual enthusiasm, horniness, and unapologetic desire."
mircea_popescu: imagine that mound of sexual enthusiasm coming at you.
diana_coman: lol!
mircea_popescu: it's all in the wrist, see.
mircea_popescu: YOU CAN TRAIN THE AVERAGE MALE INTO SUCCESS!
mircea_popescu: and it won't even need any work. not even much time. twenty pages. large script. three pages. a matchbox back!
diana_coman: well, the eternal dream : it will be easy and fast and so on
mircea_popescu: "how to make a name for yourself quickly"
diana_coman: eh, I suspect nowadays you don't even need that; after all you've been named "adofdifjYYY" to be unique and so on to start with
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741070 << quite exactly.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:58 asciilifeform: 'rare art' is simply low-tech pre-bitcoin btc for lizards
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741080 << the WHOLE POINT of usg.sv "tech" is to get around the "The Hettingas’ sense of ill-usage is understandable. So is their consternation at being confronted with the gap between the rhetoric of free markets and the reality of ubiquitous regulation. The Hettingas’ collision with the MREA—the latest iteration of the venerable AMAA—reveals an ugly truth: America’s cowboy capita☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 05:53 BingoBoingo: And in appcidental research into the market value of SUTO grad student labor: "Images of delivery take-home pay amounts posted to the Instacart shoppers’ Facebook group show recent instances where workers are sometimes making less than minimum wage for several hours of work. One woman showed $16.95 for seven hours of work in Jackson, Mississippi. Another said she was paid $13.30 for a three-hour job in St. Louis, Missouri. Yet anothe
mircea_popescu: lism was long ago disarmed by a democratic process increasingly dominated by powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers. And the courts, from which the victims of burdensome regulation sought protection, have been negotiating the terms of surrender since the 1930s."
mircea_popescu: so whenever silicon valley is doing something other than circlejerking, is building ways for various "public protections" invented by dnc / usg.blue / tammany hall to NOT apply.
mircea_popescu: they're the premier driver behind the "need to pack sardines tighter" "technologies".
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.004003 1AbRyEps74KejccooC9f5DiSgUSrui7Ycw
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ik0Gq/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: this is getting fucking ridiculous, for the record. human sums (as defined by supermarket practice) totally unworth bothering with dust in bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: and in ancient lulz... http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-02#1533306☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-09-02 01:00 mircea_popescu: but anyway, lulzy "duel" of talking points from the libtards and really-not-libtards-promise. they all agree russia doesn't matter and that hillary will somehow win the "elections", but you're more than free to connect the rest of the dots any way you please ? hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: i suppose by the time twice the supermarket price per item is hardly worth a bitcoin transacton, we might be well advised to revisit that "ancient" http://trilema.com/2015/ok-so-what-is-bitcoin-disrupting/ piece from two years ago.
spyked: hi all. /me is catching up with discussions...
mircea_popescu: hola. how goes ?
spyked: not bad, mircea_popescu. still swamped, but slowly getting out.
mircea_popescu: there's been a lot of that going around.
spyked: #t has had a lot of interesting discussed! finally ate them up.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 18:50 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737529 << that doesn't sound right, read and eval are distinct phases, by the time you get to eval you shouldn't be operating with strings when but instead with interned symbols (i.e. things that can be eq'd in lisp and pointer equivalent on c machine level)
spyked: safe array indexing), which brings asciilifeform's point re. bytecode further. in current item, builtins are hardcoded using strings, very not-elegant!
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 19:03 jurov: a111: strings are sequences, not lists. cons/car/cdr does not apply, there's different set of functions for these
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1738140 <-- ftr, I am following phf's initial advice re. reading lisp in small pieces; this, along with kogge's book. but at snail's pace (code easier to write than read)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 19:53 asciilifeform: phf: my understanding is that author was simply doing homework
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1738883 <-- pascal still in ro highschool curriculum afaik. ro school has much bigger problems, in the vein of http://trilema.com/2011/la-ce-imi-serveste-mie-radicalurile/ being asked not only by students, but by teachers themselves! (e.g. I once received q from teacher: "what's more important, physics or mathematics?" "both, bitch! and nao stop amputating those curricula!")☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-15 14:22 diana_coman: oh, ugh; and yes, now you mention it I think it was same-change in Ro too
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-16#1739939 <-- neato! now digesting original paper (pdf: https://dspace.mit.edu/bitstream/handle/1721.1/6334/AIM-559.pdf )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-16 22:41 asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes https://github.com/threonorm/simulisp/blob/master/SCHEME-79/SCHEME-79%20Lisp%20on%20a%20chip.pdf << ( yes, pdf, it's an ancient scan, 1981 ) very spiffy review article by sussman re the famous scheme79 chip; also pertinent to anyone writing simple lisptrons of whatever kind
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 06:55 ben_vulpes: likely has to do with that this box is running gcc 5.4.0, i think i have to figure out how to make a gentoo with gcc 4.9
spyked: @world, though this is not needed in early install); 5. send gcc 5.4 into oblivion (should have no dependencies left by now). I can do a more detailed write-up if still needed.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740972 <-- aha! Romania had a linguist who tried to force phonetic en-ro translations, e.g. site->sait. his 'sait' is still online it seems: http://pruteanu.ro/0rapid/00index/00index-l.htm guy also had '90s (or was it early 2000s?) TV show on "correct romanian", was sometimes amusing.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:23 asciilifeform: see in ru we dun have this problem , it gets fixed 'automagically', e.g. Марго
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741023 <-- I didn't get from the discussion: are regionalisms, archaisms, etc. to be included in this dict, or are they separate item? example: belengher (plus expr. "a festeli belengherul", similar in meaning to "a caca steagul" mentioned earlier by diana_coman)☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 02:18 asciilifeform: back to the baseline item ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740660 ) -- if mircea_popescu , diana_coman , spyked , ... ( who else we have ? ) would like to submit corrections/additions/subtractions -- plox to vpatch
spyked: (belengher, of course, yet another euphemism for cock; a festeli: to stain, or rather, daub)
spyked: (in other cockphemisms: carici, calabastoc; the latter, to my knowledge, does not exist in dictionaries, being entirely of rural origin)
deedbot: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/86R2i/?raw=true
trinque: morning all.
mircea_popescu: win
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741189 << can't hurt. got a blog or anything ? :D☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: @world, though this is not needed in early install); 5. send gcc 5.4 into oblivion (should have no dependencies left by now). I can do a more detailed write-up if still needed.
mircea_popescu: it is ~extremely~ important to write these, much more so than can be evaluated at the present time. the value becomes evident mostly in retrospect.
spyked adds this to list of write-ups.
spyked: for the record, the steps described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 work *today*. it will be increasingly harder to get a sane system once glib stops compiling with gcc 4.9, etc. an archaelogical approach would be to freeze the current state of the gentoo mirrors and build own stage1, stage2 etc. from scratch with known-working libc versions etc.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or
shinohai: mornining trinque, mircea_popescu, everyone
mircea_popescu: glib is slated to stop compiling ?
mircea_popescu: but yes, gentoo freeze was discussed, vaguely, not seriously implemented.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741203 <<< I would like to help ( I believe it was mod6 that mentioned it previously) set up some sort of mirror for just this purpose, because yes outside things will become unreliable sooner rather than later.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 13:59 spyked: for the record, the steps described in http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 work *today*. it will be increasingly harder to get a sane system once glib stops compiling with gcc 4.9, etc. an archaelogical approach would be to freeze the current state of the gentoo mirrors and build own stage1, stage2 etc. from scratch with known-working libc versions etc.
mircea_popescu: go for it!
shinohai: Current setup will build Eulora and trb like a dream, with nary a barf like I experienced in my old deb days
mircea_popescu: gentoo ?
spyked: hi shinohai
shinohai: Yeah I switched 100% gentoo ~1 year ago, props to trinque for his patience with me.
shinohai: hiya spyked how goes?
shinohai: For me it was rather like building a model airplane, box of parts "Here, build this". Sometimes I wanted to just dump it all in the trash and just get high on the glue but persistence pays off I suppose.
trinque: reminds me
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740478 << I do. lemme dust it off and run, then I'll genesis it and put on my blog.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 22:19 ben_vulpes: hey trinque do you still have that script for "infectious gentoo"? i might be able to get my old closet iron with 4.9 to build a respectable userland
spyked: shinohai, pretty good. gentoo diddling. I'm trying to get a new box up, learn v, compile trb, add an ada in, learn lisp internals ... (the list continues)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741206 <-- at some point, glib folks will decide that gcc < 5 isn't "modern enough" to build glibc, so they'll break compatibility. will, in the (now) tradition of introducing arbitrary changes.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:06 mircea_popescu: glib is slated to stop compiling ?
trinque: eh why not use musl anyway
mircea_popescu: o.O
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these idiots.
spyked: trinque, ftr, I tried getting a uclibc system up, but it seems to lack e.g. localization support, which didn't get me very far. will have to give this another shot on the next box I get up (which might not even be an x86 box; or else, it will be a pcengines).
spyked: speaking of which: http://archive.is/Vs1UC <-- "By 2020 [Intel] are said to be "removing legacy BIOS support from client and data center platforms." Based on the timing, it's then looking like for Intel Tiger Lake or Sapphire Rapids where they may cut off the legacy BIOS support." good riddance, eh?
mircea_popescu: what is localizartion support ?
spyked: fancier name for Unicode et alia
shinohai: I think if one needs support for languages, etc?
mircea_popescu: so not having such support saves you the trouble of having to cut it out later ?
mircea_popescu: seems like a great deal.
spyked: remaining problem is that it also needs to be cut out of software that relies on it. or eliminating such software altogether (this includes a large part of GUI software stack; did eulora go through the "needs locale" experience?).
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741226 << uclibc is lethally broken last i saw ( e.g. pthreads )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:21 spyked: trinque, ftr, I tried getting a uclibc system up, but it seems to lack e.g. localization support, which didn't get me very far. will have to give this another shot on the next box I get up (which might not even be an x86 box; or else, it will be a pcengines).
asciilifeform: spyked: musl however worx great, trb stands on it. and iirc trinque has an entire musltronic gentoo.
mircea_popescu: spyked what software do you use that relies on unicode and why do you.
mircea_popescu: anyway, eulora client is specifically left as exercise to eulora player. can make it do anything you wish.
spyked: asciilifeform, neato!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741114 << from what i've seen so far, the prognosis for sufferers is quite grim☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 09:59 mircea_popescu: if these kinds of non-items, memetic prions are anywhere in your mental space, you're suffering, from a disease. "if you're reading it, it's for you", and it's for you because you've already got a heavy load of misfolded protein.
mircea_popescu: yes well.
asciilifeform: afaik 0 cures to date.
spyked: mircea_popescu, problem isn't whether unicode is needed. but that "modern" software insists on shoving "support" down one's throat. it can be removed, of course (either support or software altogether), only I suspect the pile of unicode-enhanced crap yet hides some useful items.
mircea_popescu: this is a dubious point.
mircea_popescu: spyked be specific, list items.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741119 << the occasional morphinist, in fact quits and becomes something resembling normal person. redditism, on other hand...☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 10:07 mircea_popescu: (notes : desomorphine, item standing with heroin in about same relation tub-brewed methamphetamine stands with adderall)
mircea_popescu: my software consists of mostly bash, these days. what software ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw report recently : life expectancy of moscow heroin addict, 5-7 years. life expectancy of moscow homecooked-desomorphine addict, 18 months.
spyked: mircea_popescu, js browser (e.g. firefox) that allows linking trilema snippets. the only reason I still keep one around.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: krokodilists ? oh yea
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: spyked lynx ?
mircea_popescu: (i mean links/elinks ; lynx might but my version is antique, doesn't)
spyked: mircea_popescu, last time I tried (lynx, w3m, etc. even "links"), linking something such as http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/#selection-23.0-25.14 didn't highlight
spyked: (I use w3m for everything else)
mircea_popescu: needs a special compile time flag and then a config diddle
spyked: hm
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741187 << the correct solution is to not install the gcc5 nonsense to begin with, then won't need cleaning. but this won't be happening during isp winter☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:33 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740268 <-- coincidentally, I've been working on a very similar thing this week-end. managed to get rid of gcc 5.4 through a variation on https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Upgrading_GCC ; compressed steps: 1. install heathen stage3; 2. right after minimal setup (timezone, locale etc.), install gcc 4.9.4, and switch to it as default using gcc-config; 3. mask gcc >=5 in portage; 4. rebuild @system (and/or
mircea_popescu: i remember testing against it back when i put that thing in
asciilifeform: ( needs proper tmsr gentoo )
asciilifeform: hm i had nfi there is a lynx with js
asciilifeform: seems like it'd defeat half the point of using lynx to begin with, neh
mircea_popescu: linx not lynx, diff item.
asciilifeform: hmm.
asciilifeform aware of 'linx' but also had nfi that it had js.
asciilifeform: in other noose, far away, 'Bitbet is shutting down as the admin team is no longer in a position to manage the site. All contracts that could be resolved have been resolved, and winnings have been paid out...'
shinohai: awwwwwwwwwwww
asciilifeform: corpse finally stopped twitching.
shinohai: All profits have now been znorted up.
asciilifeform: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/5xp1t/?raw=true << txt snapshot , as derp blocks archiver
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:44 mircea_popescu: i remember testing against it back when i put that thing in
mircea_popescu: spyked actually a limited js lib to replace libmozjs would kick ass.
mircea_popescu: confiscate javascript from w3c by writing a subset from the pov of the republican lord, not from the pov of the bankrupt usg remoras trying to pretend like they're "online companies" "making money"
asciilifeform: ftr you can't faithfully display teh l0gz without uniturd support, sadly ( between asciilifeform's ru, mircea_popescu's greek, various îțâșă-containing pasteolade )
mircea_popescu: why not ? phf';s logotron posts them correctly, as /x whatevers
asciilifeform: pretty sure his ( and others ) give back the bytes that were put in ( which imho is correct behaviour )
asciilifeform: as for js, it is intrinsically, deeply and infectiously retarded, on a level that is difficult to compactly express -- e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-10#1517759 is merely ~one~ aspect☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-08-10 16:37 phf: ben_vulpes: stock javascript doesn't have integers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform implement a native string bignumatron.
asciilifeform: it's what the pgp-in-js people did. ever try an' read the result ?
asciilifeform: half a MB of gibberish
mircea_popescu: you do it in c.
mircea_popescu: not on top of js, but as part of tmsr-js
asciilifeform: in what sense is the contemplated item 'js' then ?
mircea_popescu: in the sense.
mircea_popescu: implements some fraction of extant js functions, which we deem to be ALL of js, and some extras.
asciilifeform: i mean, why retain the retarded syntax, and not cut straight to e.g. tmsr-scheme
mircea_popescu: embrace and extinguish.
mircea_popescu: ah, it'd have to live as wrapper on tmsr scheme would it
shinohai: From @blockchain "We are experiencing an outage of our internal database. Your funds are safe. We've identified the issue and are working on a resolution. Stay updated at https://www.blockchain-status.com"
shinohai: YOUR FUNDZ ARE SAFE!!!!111
asciilifeform: nao if only js had ~merely~ retarded syntax. but also based on an intensely braindamaged oopism, that'd get carried into anything that 'embraces'
mircea_popescu: oucj
asciilifeform: i'ma let ben_vulpes , phf , others who served lengthy sentences of sisyphation in js , elaborate.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just want, from a strategic perspective, the tool whereby to be able to force a wedge among "website owners" and have them upgrade whether they want to or not, off the imperial tree.
asciilifeform: from that pov it'd make even moar sense to have total break with html shitstack
asciilifeform: incidentally,
mircea_popescu: eventually.
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque didja ever get a chance to write down that hypertext system algo of yours ?
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
trinque: nope, have several improvements to the paybot (and cutting off the trb wallet) ahead of that
asciilifeform: trinque: the dictionary thread immediately reminded me of it
asciilifeform: consider how much more feasible a Troo Dictionary would be, on a hypertexttron that wasn't built by newjersey wreckers, with the idiot unidirectional links, each of which results in loading whole new file, and cannot meaningfully point to a section thereof, and the retarded anchors , and could go on for a week
asciilifeform: in other lulz, http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/philg/research/shame-and-war.html << nao 404
asciilifeform: not archived, either.
asciilifeform: http://philip.greenspun.com/research/shame-and-war << apparently moved ( and possibly sectionally censored, i've nfi )
trinque: ah certainly.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741227 << i.e. fughet about non-microshit os on intel☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:24 spyked: speaking of which: http://archive.is/Vs1UC <-- "By 2020 [Intel] are said to be "removing legacy BIOS support from client and data center platforms." Based on the timing, it's then looking like for Intel Tiger Lake or Sapphire Rapids where they may cut off the legacy BIOS support." good riddance, eh?
mircea_popescu: "Since Travels with Samantha was getting 100,000 hits/day, the spillover from there into my research area was actually good for more exposure than my paper would have gotten from the conference proceedings." << way the fuck truer in 2017 than it was in 1994.
mircea_popescu: whichever beobachter you choose can NOT drive enough traffic to make up a trilema minute.
asciilifeform: the lulzy bit in 'shame and war' is that greenspun correctly identifies html as newjerseylade liquishit, but wholly misrepresents the focus of the braindamage ( he thinks it has something to do with lacking styling; and then 'hey they invented css, fixed it!' )
mircea_popescu: yeah, he's an uneven thinker.
ben_vulpes: spyked: i'll give your recipe a whirl later
ben_vulpes: in other lols, tesla failed to close the deal to supply uber with self-driving cars
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741274 <<< I forgot to mention spyked this did work for me when I tried it some time ago, had to ensure ECMAScript support was enabled after ./configure.☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:52 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work.
ben_vulpes: usg dept of robocars cannot actually meet production quotas, chicken-buying-dollars will have to be spent with volvo of all corps
ben_vulpes: also wtf, look at this inept shit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/11/20/sex-education-needs-graphic-teens-trying-taboo-practices-say/ "trying taboo practices", no link to original paper, what the hell am i even looking at
shinohai: Jeez I almost don't want to have a news/rss feed open until this "I was raped" spam is over with.
mircea_popescu: in other news, ended up in local church after walk this morning. had to leave once priest showed up and the womenz starting "singing" an hymn
mircea_popescu: apparently they don't kick you out of church if you suck at singing. this is a problem.
shinohai: btw, I rather liked the pics mircea_popescu posted of church in latest trilema. Nifty.
mircea_popescu: different item, but yeah.
shinohai: Just reminded me of it. Likely first Catholic church I have ever seen with a drop ceiling.
mircea_popescu: for srs.
asciilifeform: from same rag , moar brit lulz, https://archive.is/lmpYM >> 'Guy Hedger was killed at around 3am on April 30 after intruders entered his £1 million home in Castlewood, Ashley, near Ringwood, Hampshire'
asciilifeform: '...demanded that Mr Hedger tell him the combination for two safes... men made off with more than £120,000 worth of jewellery watches and valuables' then shot , etc.
mircea_popescu: evidently hedger didn't EARN that money.
spyked: re. links/elinks js, mircea_popescu, shinohai, thanks for the pointers. attempts so far to get a working item failed, but it's worth reporting what I've found. long story short, elinks depends on libmozjs, steps at http://archive.is/UFpsz work only visiting e.g. http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-21.75-21.93 gives the following error: "The requested fragment
spyked: "#selection-21.75-21.93" doesn't exist." (which leads me to believe that no JavaScript code is being run, although JavaScript *is* enabled at run-time!); links (probably mircea_popescu's browser) throws out some explicit javascript errors (doesn't parse === token), but this because it has it's own parser/interpreter.
mircea_popescu: ugh
mircea_popescu: now this i have nfi why would occur. the exact details are buried somewhere in archives, but it's been a while ;/
shinohai: For a while I really liked the w3m browser, there was rumored to be js plugin for it, though link to original www is ded and I cannot find info on it anywhere.
spyked dug for that one as well (w3m-js), seems to be gone
shinohai: If you happen to dig it up at some point, I would greatly appreciate copy
ben_vulpes: https://makezine.com/2017/11/19/apology-to-naomi-wu/ << the self flagellation will continue until morale improves
asciilifeform: whossat
asciilifeform: 'she and other Chinese makers are every bit as capable and creative as their Western counterparts' << ahahahahahawat
asciilifeform: 'We will be publishing a diversity audit of Make: as a company and our properties, and will be setting goals to drive progress on these issues' << самокритика !1111
mircea_popescu: heh, the whole "drama" is by now legit kink play.
trinque: "that was offensive to Naomi and all women" << it's a great day for canada, and therefore the world
mircea_popescu: "it is always wrong to question female identity" === "oh baby give it to me hard".
ben_vulpes: ahahand in tangentially related hate speech: "assortative coupling on education level does have an unintended down side -- it's a major contributor to economic inequality in the larger society", from https://www.edge.org/response-detail/26747
mircea_popescu: there's some scene in some italian film in which a woman (who is trying to convince a guy she believes is a movie producer to take her pubescent daugther to the movie-making place) says "sfondami tutta". during copulation (she also offered to hold down same daughter for defloration). she does not literally mean that she wants him to tear her uterus through her abdomen and into the light.
mircea_popescu: she's just saying a thing. so is this dale dougherty anon.
asciilifeform: 'The Mating Crisis Among Educated Women' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: let me guess, "can't find enough males willing to support the fantasy" ?
asciilifeform: howdjaguess, 'At the University of Texas at Austin where I teach, the sex ratio is 54 percent women to 46 percent men. This imbalance may not seem large at first blush. But when you do the math it translates into a hefty 17 percent more women than men in the local mating pool. Speculations about reasons range widely. They include the gradual removal of gender discrimination barriers and women’s higher levels of conscientiousness (r
asciilifeform: elative to men’s) that translate into better grades and superior college app qualifications' etc
ben_vulpes: !!up mircea_popescu
deedbot: mircea_popescu voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: lizards dun like it when you talk like that mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: lel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform cuz i'm knee deep in "educated" womenz shattered delusions.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 54-46
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 54-46 = 8
mircea_popescu: !~calc (54-46)/46
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: (54-46)/46 = 0.17391304347826086
mircea_popescu: that's so clever.
mircea_popescu: the writing is on the wall : whenever women become dominant in [what used to be] a profession, that profession ends.
mircea_popescu: eg, textile making survived for as long as weavers were men.
mircea_popescu: 1700s.
mircea_popescu: so -- get ready for no moar academia, very much in liune with trilema bull on topic.
asciilifeform: lol wat 'get ready', it happened long ago
mircea_popescu: what happened a few decades ago was the transition to the macgonagall stage, so to speak. first clowns take over, then women.
asciilifeform: interestingly they also doctor the Official stats re subj : a casual walk through u of md reveals ~70+% femality, but Official figure, last i saw, was 49 or somesuch
asciilifeform: hatefact.
mircea_popescu: no but see, hos moar "conscientious" than bros. 49% female faculty = 70% female campus walkers. because they put in more hours etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the men leave when a profession is deskilled. at least in the weaver example.
shinohai: !~later tell spyked I managed to find archive of w3m-js patch (for v 0.4) http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/OFXDG/?raw=true
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: My Japanese reading is shit, so dunno how results mite be yet
mircea_popescu: some of them, at least.
asciilifeform: re asciilifeform's local shithole, moar interesting observation -- at one time the comp sci dept was ~90% male. today -- after subjects like 'operating systems', 'compilers' -- where you gotta form a working mental model of what the fuck yer doing, or you have no chance , and the working material is not amenable to 'i'ma randomly hammer until it works' -- no moar.
asciilifeform: *after subjects abolished
mircea_popescu: honestly, i see no problem with this.
mircea_popescu: education should not be available via "public" ie tax-subsidized channels. let woman that wants to actually learn anything find a master and submit sexually.
mircea_popescu: what fucking college. harem.
asciilifeform: afaik the 'private' unis are exactly same, but with fatter idjits
mircea_popescu: my private uni is not at all same.
mircea_popescu: explicit power relations, including rape as a definite portion of the curricula, all that good stuff.
asciilifeform: lol it'll be the translationdictionary dirigible thread alloveragain won't it.
mircea_popescu: ra ra ra!!
asciilifeform: 'what if i need to hire some engineers and dun have a harem' 'slice lengthwise!!'
mircea_popescu: if you perceive you might need engineers in winter, wolfy, start building harem in summer.
mircea_popescu: if you wait to sharpen your fangs until you have what to use them on... you won't have the time!
asciilifeform: this is yet another of those occasions when asciilifeform is half-convinced mircea_popescu posts from a parallel dimension, where females who can keep e.g. 100-state fsm in their skull, are something other than 1 ppb
mircea_popescu: so ? filter!
mircea_popescu: and train.
asciilifeform: fwiw not only does mircea_popescu not keep those in his harem, but wouldn't want to . high testosterone ( ever see portrait of e. noether ? )
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-30#1677914 << thread☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 21:05 asciilifeform: ( revisiting upstack: one sad irony of beelzebub : the world-class chix, e.g. emmy noether, tend to be square faces. testosterone will do that. )
mircea_popescu: it's a harem not a fucking advertisment. you can keep whatever you like.
asciilifeform: but wouldja ?
mircea_popescu: noether ? yes.
mircea_popescu: ugly-and-not-noether no. but, hard to argue against the company of smart chicks.
asciilifeform: then nao we know where the planet's 2.5 allotted noethers went!111
mircea_popescu: i'm not THAT attractive.
asciilifeform: sad thing is, 'noethers' have a tendency to die fairly young and virgo intacta
mircea_popescu: also, the testosterone issue is visible in much older women. when she was 16, noether was as much helped by the 16 yo's boon as any other girl.
mircea_popescu: the moustache appears later.
asciilifeform: possibly. afaik no photo of 16-noether survives.
mircea_popescu: all this aside, i'm very performance driven. i care much more about what she does than what she looks like. which is why djb, sexy as she might be, has nevertheless 0 hot factor for me. ill behaved / stupid hotties are not hot to any degree i can personally measure.
mircea_popescu: others' mileage may vary, of course. but as far as i'm concerned...
asciilifeform: waiwho
mircea_popescu: bernstein.
asciilifeform: i thought bernstein were a bloke
mircea_popescu: im making a metaphorical bridge.
asciilifeform: lolk
mircea_popescu: there's no "ill make myself beautiful and then win" solipsistic approach. make yourself really obedient and you'll win.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> the writing is on the wall : whenever women become dominant in [what used to be] a profession, that profession ends. <- more like whenever *everyone* makes it into something, it's a clear bet that it's not anymore the something it used to be
mircea_popescu: what do you mean moreover ?
diana_coman: moreover?
diana_coman: I guess you can take "women become dominant" as visible threshold of "everyone makes it" but to my eyes that's already late as it were; profession ended long time before that
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: it's forcing a point, cooking for instance didn't end with women becoming dominant sometime cca 35k years ago
mircea_popescu: but for many modern and postmodern activities it's a great heuristic.
diana_coman: dunno the facts there, but afaik professional cooks are still majority men, aren't they
mircea_popescu: ok. professional fuckers -- majority women.
diana_coman: lol
mircea_popescu: fucking didn't end either.
diana_coman: but yes, that's my point: it's nothing to do with women per se being there; all to do with lowering the bar
shinohai: lowering bar so black girls can code?
mircea_popescu: but the lowering of the bar ends up hitting women
diana_coman: well, it ends up hitting everyone at that, doesn't it?
diana_coman: who the hell does it help exactly
diana_coman: oh, it helps to pretend for a bit longer and then fall from the top of a higher cliff; is that the help?
mircea_popescu: that's the sadness of evo biology : if you have a sexuate species (as the predicate) then you will have sexual dismorfism. because if you don't, why bother with sexuation. if you have sexual dismorfism, you will have a more diverse and a less diverse gender. because that's what dismorfism IS. if you conventionally name the more diverse gender male (as you do) and the less diverse gender female (as you do), then NECESSARILY as
mircea_popescu: you lower the bar for any objective performance you will get more women qualified ; and conversely the only way to increase female prevalence in any activity is to lower the performative bar.
diana_coman: I can't say I really looked into this; I do remember your trilema article on this idea re searching in the male gender
mircea_popescu: myeah
diana_coman: to start with I'm not sure there is such total separation between genders as in searches in male gender means advances do not translate further down the line in moving up the average on female gender too , for instance
diana_coman: and then there are anyway tradeoffs at all points; e.g. male stronger, yes; but generally less agile
diana_coman: diversity means it covers a wider range; doesn't necessarily mean average is higher
mircea_popescu: possibly move the average, but it's still not going to have an impact. women alive today compete with people alive today not with the previous generations
mircea_popescu: and average doesn't have to be higheer, at all. if five men are measured by your criteria as 12, 11, 10, 9, 8 and five women are measured 10.5, 10.4, 10.3, 10.2 and 10.1, the female average is still way over the male average and yet the first two Xs will be men.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the top-3 men average will beat the shit out of the top-5 or top-3 women average, which is the problem in academia.
mircea_popescu: exclusion is much more effectual tool in male than female petri dish, which is why men fight and women gossip.
trinque: male filtering being lossy, females costing more to lose biologically
mircea_popescu: right.
diana_coman: ah, there is that, certainly
mircea_popescu: it's all there is ; then people wrangle themselves into a tizzy trying to "fix" the unfixable.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in rotakudom, http://users.utcluj.ro/~jdomokos/naviro ( in particular interest http://users.utcluj.ro/~jdomokos/naviro/naviro138500.dict )
asciilifeform: specifically in re http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740925☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:01 mircea_popescu: now, i would much appreciate if you took the current bs and ipa'd it properly (it's not THAT hard, ro ipa set is narrow and unambiguous)
mircea_popescu: o hey
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't perchance know the fella ? having studied at cluj
asciilifeform: https://sci-hub.cc/http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5940736/?arnumber=5940736 << d00d's algos ( warning -- pdfturd )
asciilifeform: ( spoiler: he trained a nn )
asciilifeform: feedstock was that very same Dex
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform postdoc student ; after my time
asciilifeform: aaa
asciilifeform: 'Based on the input grapheme codes, the neural networks generate one by one the 30 bit code indicating the presence or the absence of the 30 articulatory features. The output feature vectors are compared with the encoded vectors of the phonemes used. The distance between the output vector and each coded vector is calculated using Manhattan distance function and the system response is chosen as the vector with the smallest distance. T
asciilifeform: o develop the pronouncing dictionary we have used the largest online dictionary for Romanian language, the DexOnline dictionary [13]. DexOnline dictionary is freely available, can be downloaded from the Internet as a mysqldump generated SQL file and used in accordance with the terms of GNU General Public License. The database can be easily restored on a MySQL database server.'
mircea_popescu: is that still tru ?
asciilifeform: which
mircea_popescu: item available
asciilifeform: https://dexonline.ro/static/download/dex-database.sql.gz
asciilifeform: 274M
mircea_popescu: uhm.
mircea_popescu: check it out, ro language tripled in 7 years.
asciilifeform: i've nfi what's in there, mebbe lolcat pics
asciilifeform: ( from https://wiki.dexonline.ro/wiki/Instruc%C8%9Biuni_de_instalare )
asciilifeform: meanwhile at the house of entomology, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8&cpage=1#comment-18290
mircea_popescu: in other long term lulz, https://archive.is/936Xp
asciilifeform: lol!!
shinohai: Follow-up from DJI tidbit asciilifeform posted a few days ago: http://archive.is/CuVRo
asciilifeform: see also :
asciilifeform: !#s responsible disclosure
a111: 22 results for "responsible disclosure", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=responsible%20disclosure
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2015-12-20#1348490 in particular. )☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-12-20 17:54 asciilifeform: didn't we do a 'responsible disclosure'-is-for-idiots thread ?
asciilifeform: what part of skip! straight! to! the! rape! is hard to understand.
asciilifeform: and the moar public, the moar raw -- the moar educational.
mircea_popescu: but education is specifically what's not sought.
asciilifeform: from strict pest control pov -- same conclusion tho
asciilifeform: ( did we ever do the al schwartz crushed roach pheromone thread ? let it be said that even insect can sometimes 'learn from the death of others' )
ben_vulpes: 'la resistance' vanguard suffers a casualty: http://www.businessinsider.com/new-york-times-suspends-glenn-thrush-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations-2017-11
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the dept of interesting but dead, http://adagin.blogspot.com
asciilifeform: ^ pretty detailed discussion of ada 'elaboration' arcana
asciilifeform: typical, http://adagin.blogspot.com/2013/12/ada-2005-access-types-part-i.html , lively : type Hooker_Array is array (Positive range <>) of Hooker_Class_Ptr; procedure Violate_Bodies (x : Hooker_Array); ... 'We want to track all our victims, presumably in some sort of set or container, so that we might disinter them later as needed. Similarly, we might also want to do strange, awful things with the dead bodies of the hookers.'
mircea_popescu: o.O