mike_c: nice shot. where is that?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I do not have parrots, but most days now I do have titmice flutting about outside
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mircea_popescu: upon consideration, i see no reason to continue supporting or otherwise encourage kakobrekla's bizarre worldview. on the contrary, i view further involvement with the nonsense as considerable moral hazard, and a miserable thing to do altogether.
☟︎☟︎☟︎ mircea_popescu: there's absolutely no place in the future, or among civilised people, for this "hi i r zuckerberg and i ~created~ facebook" thing. i can see how it continues the "oh, mp is raining money, let me not get in his way" thing from before, but consistency in poltroonism does not enact poltroonism as an acceptable life philosophy.
mircea_popescu: i can readily understand that fiatism has been for all and sundry the unique way of life, since "forever" ; i can see how the shit is well ensconced and difficult to wash off. nevertheless, loyalty to a group, as opposed to the individual, is still socialism, as much so as either GOP or NSDAP ever were. preserve that and you preserve it all.
mircea_popescu: vaguely defining the group in question, ad-hoc or after the fact, does not resolve the problem, one's still a poltroon. appeals to "science" or "law" or whatever other conveniently vague abstraction still doesn't resolve the fact that one's placed himself on the hostis humani generis side of the debate.
mircea_popescu: and so, this is the end for this particular irc channel as a venue for tmsr. the irc festivities are moving over to #trilema ; with a more selective lordship list and improved tools all around. you're welcome to join - but leave the fiat mind behind, lest it drag you too back down into the swamp.
☟︎ PeterL: does this chan have a log?
PeterL: are you going to use the same voicing model as #bitcoin-assets?
PeterL: I suppose detail will go up on trilema at some point?
trinque: mircea_popescu: it's using a password with that nick, strange that it's not auth'd
trinque: next version will be using "deedbot", which is definitely registered
PeterL: are you going to start a new WoT or import the one from assbot?
mircea_popescu: what's "hunter's fire and ice" concession stand sell, menthol balms ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, how much is a bottle of champagne at porcfest ?
mircea_popescu: (i don't mean frothwater/selzer ; i mean the genuine article)
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would anyone over the age of ~12 attend ?!
danielpbarron: to get around this, the porcfest organizers sell VIP passes that grant access to a free booze tent
mircea_popescu: weirdo fucking norse style parties, all drugs no alcohol ?
danielpbarron: you can give away booze, and sell it on the down-low like you would weed or any other illegal drug
mircea_popescu: well yeah, and what's the free booze, bud and everclear ?
danielpbarron: i wouldn't know, I never got a vip pass because who cares anyway
danielpbarron: i could just bring my own or get it free from friends
mircea_popescu: so you're telling me no porcfest slut was ever champagne-bathed in the entire decade of this ?
mircea_popescu: i've like... totally lost contact with teh kids today. I AM OLD NOW
mircea_popescu: ftr if i click the pic i get a "page not found". is this intentional ?
mircea_popescu: you've not missed much. just me discovering that they do dry festivals now in puritanlandia
mircea_popescu: gotta get a log of this place up soon, wtf are all the stalkers gonna do.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha what! danielpbarron scored twins at porcfest ?
mircea_popescu: "PaulFest in 2012: a week-long thing in Florida leading up to the Republican National Convention in which last-minute rule changes to keep Ron Paul out were hastily voted into place; rule changes which are today responsible for the Trump phenomenon" << plox to detail this for me ?
PeterL: in 2012 some Paul supporters thought they could co-opt the convention and push him through even though he lost the votes
PeterL: the RNC changed the rules to make it so they couldn't do that
PeterL: I don't see how the specific rules helped Trump
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> well yeah, and what's the free booze, bud and everclear ? << Everyclear is expensive even when adjusted for alcohol content. The cheapest stuff goes by names like Crystal Palace, COuntry Club, and Gem Clear
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but why ? an' wherefore ? << It's how conventions worked routinely before 1970. They got the delegates and then made the rules. Now they just change the rules afterwards.
PeterL: they made a rule saying to get nominated you need a majority of delegates from 8 states
PeterL: so far, only Trump has met that threshold, so even if he doesn't get a majority of delegates he could still win
PeterL: although, this rule could be changed at the start of the convention, it is not set in stone
BingoBoingo: I don't keep track because of how many rules typically change just to smooth things out. See Thomson's "Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail"
PeterL: basically it is just another reason for a bunch of reporters to write blathering articles about the drama of the republican nomination race
PeterL: and Americans like me who can't help ourselves eat this shit up and it earns them ad revenue from all the obnoxious ads on their websites
PeterL: you don't like thickAsThieves?
PeterL: I wonder who else will return?
phf: guy come strutting after his opponent leaves and starts talking tough? i don't know him, but that just spells loser
☟︎ mircea_popescu: PeterL obviously not set in stone. it could be changed so that your name can't start with d, also, it would seem ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno they were questionable, he said i dun recall what on trilema, i asked him quo warranto, he made himself scarce.
mircea_popescu: phf no idea what opposition would be. lemme dig up the comment i guess.
PeterL: yeah, the people making these rules can do whatever they want, but I assume there are some reasonable people mixed in with the crazies who would stop such things
mircea_popescu: PeterL this assumption is known as the memory hole effect.
PeterL: and if they go too far out their then they lose creditability and get kicked out of power
mircea_popescu: PeterL explain this to me. kicked out of power by whom and with whose army ?
PeterL: well, publick sees party making absurd choices to shoehorn in particular candidate, reform-minded individuals take over party or else they just lose general elections to other party
mircea_popescu: no fucking individual member of the public has even 1% of the intellectual werewithal to even consider the matter in the sense of putting all its disparate elements on the table ; let alone drive a sane conclusion from the mess.
mircea_popescu: even if they did have such incredible intellects, it'd still take time, and the public is a wage slave, which means that no, not the fucking public.
PeterL: like how boenher was doing things to force his will on the House of Reps, and a small subset of republicans forced him out of power
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the specifics there, but wasn't it the case that leader of gop house sold out to obama, and for cheap, the gop trioed to throw him out, and failed, guy came back even to ensure his chosen successor stays ?
PeterL: there are several ways power can be lost, so party officials at least have to give the appearance of being reasonable to hold thier power
mircea_popescu: this is the wasp pretense. to my eyes a direct equivalent to nixon's delusioned in place "silent electorate". i don't think it ever held any water.
PeterL: GOP sold out to obama, he wa forced to step down, his chosen successor was flatly told no, so a different guy stepped forward to take power
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> urgh, i scroll between two chans, and one is full of american election and the other - ThickAsThieves << I think something about the details of the process contains electrolytes mircea_popescu needs to mix up his hatorade
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Seems you actually shelled out for a dosimeter with better alarm?
PeterL: To me politics is much like sports, lots of people talk about it but their talking has no impact on the outcome
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but the construction is interesting, to the anthropologist.
mircea_popescu: you may think less of me for it, but it ALSO follow the internal reasonings of the etsy chick, and of all sorts of other subcultures.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I may need one of those weathervanes
mircea_popescu: for the record, his friends in the senate thought not much better of say strabon than the above.
BingoBoingo: You know, make myself less dependent on "Big Weather" to get my meteorology
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the curious student of political history, i'd gladly read a piece explaining the differences between the "denazification" as carried out by the allied control council from 1946 onwards ; and the various internal troubles of the eastern socialist party, whether you pick dekulakization, or de-trotskyfication, or great leap forward or w/e.
mircea_popescu: even something as obvious as "settling the end date" will be interesting to reflect upon.
mircea_popescu: is "paetreus' caviar" too late a testing stone for the theory ?
mircea_popescu: i don't get the "we use no consumables" claim if it uses springs. what are the springs ?
BingoBoingo: consumables, but it is a rural folk invention
mircea_popescu: eh, derps take the time to explain why they named their thing whatever they named it, but i see no equations anywhere. pass.
mircea_popescu: more than that even. i've personally climbed the stairwell going from valley of kings over the mountain into the queen's. took a few hours, but it's a good 150-200meters tall. that's a good 30-40 kwh
mircea_popescu: uh nm me, 150 × 10 × 80 ÷ 3600 = 33, but this'd be watts-hour not kw
phf: it could make for a nice backup in a joey hess style household. guy lives off the grid, hacks by candlelight with his low power netbook, sometimes "i'll be out for the next few days, it's been gray out, so not enough juice in batteries", etc.
mircea_popescu: actually - one man, one harem, one notebook china could do this. if you feed a dozen girls, their workouts will certainly power the book.
mircea_popescu: i know i've more than once, while sitting by idly watching unbridled tits bounce, considered adding some cogs.
phf: "bitch maybe if you generated some electricity or something"
mircea_popescu: so how's the yellow revolution going ? is comrade xi yet ousted ?
phf: need dat deedbot to jump sheep
trinque: one sec and I'll re-register his nick so he'll stay voiced
phf: asciilifeform: "He was known for inventing the ULI knot, a method for priming explosives using detonating cord. The Uli knot resembles a hangman knot and is the most effective way of priming C4 explosives, especially when underwater."
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, re "communism good idea badly applied" - majority of germans agreed, after ww2. re their own form.)
mircea_popescu: strangely enough it's not badly applied till it blows the fuck up.
mircea_popescu: actually studying knots is historically the start of topology
shinohai: trilemabot is me playing with a logbot
pete_dushenski: how far away are we from having logs to peruse ? or are we to keep our irc clients open and on indefinitely
PeterL: looks like shinohai is working on it
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell shinohai how comes the node tracker site ?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes then numbers are just the colours of your drapes!
shinohai: hey pete_dushenski i havent done much to it unfortunately, just still running my vanilla trb node
pete_dushenski: shinohai: well it'd be a neat service if you ever finished it up. fuck bitnodes.io
shinohai: I wanted something a little nicer to look at that listed solely trb nodes. I know it is on wiki but ...
PeterL: wiki does not self-update
pete_dushenski: well there are trb nodes and there are nodes displaying version string 99999
pete_dushenski: i think it'd be sweet to have a repository for viewing the latter
trinque: ^ looks to be auth'd with nickserv
PeterL: is there a plan to have an assbot style ticker in this chan as well?
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PeterL: I meant for S.MPOE trades etc
trinque: if they're RSS can jam in the old deedbot- for now; if not I'll have to write something for the new one.
pete_dushenski: is mike_c going to be switching btcalpha over to deedbot- then ? or a new wotsite needed as well ? /me is a big fan of btcalpha...
PeterL: why need to switch? why not show both?
danielpbarron: PeterL, what is it you find so attractive about the other channel?
PeterL: well, seems to be more people talking there
PeterL: I have not yet been convinced there is a need to leave it
danielpbarron: kinda like how there's lots of blood where the hole gets cut
mircea_popescu: i dun see teh problem, mike_c can run his thing whatever way he likes.
PeterL: see, happens already to post wrong chan!
mircea_popescu: yes you. "see, x" generally implies a "i believe y", not clear what that y'd be here.
PeterL: well, in #b-a not long ago I said somebody was going to reply in the wrong chan, confuse everybody, couple hours later asciilifeform does
mircea_popescu: a. s'okay, i only read one so won't likely be confused.
PeterL: but it seems you are confused by conversation radomly popping into your chan from the other chan
mircea_popescu: hopefully facebook isn't actually next, woe unto me i'll be assaulted by the internet's entire firehose.
mircea_popescu: anyway, afaik i'm one of the very few if not the only irc user that actually only uses one channel - and even i use two these days, this and #eulora
mircea_popescu: everyone's survival under the scheme seems entirely likely.
mircea_popescu: by and large from what i'm seeing china's plan is to simply use its gravitational pull.
mircea_popescu: supposedly nobody "can have cause to be upset" when things happen through that ; it's simply natural.
mircea_popescu: in line with what appears to be the xi policy. he's gutted the bureaucracy, which obviously pissed off all the wanna-be 14%, as what he aims is very much in line with the mp definition of government ("may exist for as long as i don't see it")
mircea_popescu: slighter, smaller government ; which necessarily means more of him and less of the "institutions" ; should be palatable, or at least easier to defend.
mircea_popescu: the only concerning item is that the english nonsense of "hurt feelings" seems to become fashionable in chinese discourse.
phf: asciilifeform: you keep saying "this like spanish revolution" but i don't think anyone actually groks what that means, because so far #b-a is like a sociological study of mutiny
pete_dushenski: i will say that it's on the quiet side in #trilema atm, but after glancing at the #b-a logs for 15 seconds, the noise gave me such a headache that i quickly forgave the selective speech and appreciated the tranquility here. i doubt i'm alone in this either.
shinohai: You aren't pete_dushenski. It's witch-hunt city over there and I want no part of it.
shinohai: I last looked at logs this morning, so oh well.
pete_dushenski: very much like how each man writes his own torah scroll.
trinque: phf: if you've got a log viewer nearly complete, do you want a postgresql db connection from me for it? I'll be collecting logs with the new deedbot.
trinque: those will be imported yes
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the enviroderps don't even realise just how tediously insufferable their propaganda is, i suspect. fucking jehova witnesses already.
mircea_popescu: but for the other thing, and more important i guess : it's strictly impossible by now to distinguish teenager daughter from wife in a film. not only because the fucking actresses represented as sexually powerful are so fucking neotenuous it's uncanny ; but also because of the retarded habit of giving women the same age all the fucking roles. they're all "29" ; and finally because fucking hell family relations in anglosphere...
phf: trinque: yes! that would be handy. i just audited that postgresql common lisp driver (not the popular one, but the pure network pg one)
mircea_popescu: why is teenage daughter calling her father "you" ? how is this proper ?
phf: the reader is idiosyncratic, so i'll have to make it more palatable for general consumption
phf: well, like for example it adds spaces based on how much time passed between messages
phf: asciilifeform: it's an older version that i wrote a while ago and been using for reading
phf: well, it makes more sense when conversation is very dense the way it usually is
phf: you get nice little clusters of "conversation happens here"
phf: there are flags that it takes that disables the behavior, and yeah "large chunks of space" is annoying and log would've been better if i wanted to go and fix it
mircea_popescu: if we had an artist in attendance he could make you curlicues
phf: have newer version that has fancy features, but i couldn't really roll it out for myself, since "download logs over
http from kako's server" is not best strategy
phf: generative vines that grow based on how much space there is
mircea_popescu: phf> generative vines that grow based on how much space there is << word.
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phf: asciilifeform: how's conversation links going to work?
pete_dushenski: more than a few of the starting line-up vacated the premises, giving the benchwarmers a fresh shot
phf: kind of like a fellah who heard girl he fancies broke up, "hey, how's it going! yeah, i've just been in the neighborhood, oh you broke up? too bad.... so is there anyone on the horizon???"
pete_dushenski: it's been a educational day in more sense than one then
phf: asciilifeform: that was the point of my inquiry
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incredible, shoe reference in article even!
danielpbarron: aegis is some guy i traded a bunch of cash in the mail with, and then flipped out over something i don't even recall what, but it was back when i was in otc
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the curious minds among the new folks, let's run through that list. jared kenna for a while ran the 2nd largest btc/usd exchange. ran off with the piggy, started a real estate development with it, had the unmitigated audacity to try coming back into bitcoin, because hey, "community" is worth a bowl of soup a head.
mircea_popescu: dproberts i imagine is to be the derpy guy with a "drugs market" that couldn't sell a bag of coke ; also ordered some "murders for highre".
mircea_popescu: gavinandersen is the "experts agree" derp from last year.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin_charlie is actually recently famous for the whole "this is what they don't tell you" thing.
mircea_popescu: chaangnoi aka goat aka 1k other things is some derpy wanna-be living in thailand and for a while doing whatever dubious coolie business in and around glbse. mostly pirate-related scammerships.
mircea_popescu: zhoutong is one of the people involved in the bitcoinica scam ; he was supposed to be some azn child genius.
mircea_popescu: shtylman had an exchange that was "hacked", all sorts of ridiculous pretentious bs. wore a derpy hat ; was supposed to be some sort of white kid genius.
mircea_popescu: phf> asciilifeform: how's conversation links going to work? << this is actually a rather complex problem. i suspect they well might not work at all.
phf: i only just realized that..
mircea_popescu: but if you approach the matter fundamentally, it quickly balloons.
ben_vulpes: RIDE NEVER ENDS RIDE NEVER ENDS RIDE NEVER ENDS
phf: diana_coman: just to clarify, the framing was deliberate and part of a larger thread. when i started conversation kakobrekla and nubbins were both trigger happy and aggressive, the purpose of the entire thread was to figure out where they stand by softening their disposition. talking in terms of competency (worded as a hypothetical accusation to be weighted by a hypothetical court) has proven effective in the past in clarifying kakobrekla's thinki
phf: ng, because anything stronger than that he bulks
diana_coman: aha, thanks for the clarification phf ; I did follow the whole thread but I can't say I actually caught this intent of yours as such
diana_coman: kakobrekla is basically an unknown quantity to me, I must add
ben_vulpes: i am fully torn between the poles of wanting to understand why mircea_popescu burned the coins to make the point, desperately wanting continuity with the logs-as-they-were, and recognizing the futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything
ben_vulpes: but hey, we move the camp, dig more latrines.
ben_vulpes: smoke more cigarettes, talk shit about cmdrs.
diana_coman: fwiw continuity has never been, in my experience of anything, of the "as things were" variety
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: "change is the only constant!" (d,tmr~). i've no desire for communiteh and happiness and being in a room where everyone gets along. but the logs were valuable in their own right, for as long as they had that continuity.
diana_coman: sure, continuity is valuable, whenever it can be had
ben_vulpes: "but if the cost of having continuity is to be shackled to dem000cracy (tm alf), i'll happily shed the continuity to be rid of the cows"?
diana_coman: and moreover I have to say that a bit earlier in b-a I had this uneasy feeling that people were patting one another on the back, maybe it was just me
ben_vulpes: i'm entirely guilty of seeing something that my raven-eye finds shiny and reacting with "neat" or "nifty" or "cool"
ben_vulpes: sometimes even with exclamation points!
diana_coman: ah, no, I meant more of the rate-me-rate-you variety really
phf: diana_coman: right, thread was for myself rather then others, and i found what i was looking for. i just couldn't keep dodging snark and "shit in soup" every other sentence, so had to make that detour
trinque: ben_vulpes │ ... and recognizing the futility-cum-insubordination of a footsoldier asking anything << what foot soldier was this? All I saw was a Ricky from Trailer Park Boys impersonation shouting words he heard on terribly written TV about biznis
trinque: and a bunch of #b-a oldfags not doing anything about it
ben_vulpes: and as mircea_popescu has pointed out, courts' mandate descends from the king but may not bind him
trinque sees the king angle, and also the "anything in my hands is mine to do with, and who asked anyone else?"
trinque: or what did the declaration I signed mean?
ben_vulpes: eyyy trinque not that you're short of work or anything rn but hey, add 'titles' to the todo list?