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danielpbarron: !!key esthlos
deedbot: http://wot.deedbot.org/EDB93AD2CAB28398010B46D025C71657FDA71DC2.asc
danielpbarron: 404 not found? ..
danielpbarron: !~later tell esthlos plz to later tell me your key.asc i guess
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
esthlos: the url works for me
danielpbarron: hrm
trinque: works here.
danielpbarron: weird..
esthlos: try http://www.esthlos.com/files/ate.asc
danielpbarron: that works
esthlos: fingerprint EDB9 3AD2 CAB2 8398 010B 46D0 25C7 1657 FDA7 1DC2
danielpbarron: esthlos, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/jPXH0/?raw=true
esthlos: cool danielpbarron, got it
esthlos: a question for all: is there a good way to store/track collections of encrypted messages? (perhaps with threads, etc.)
esthlos: would be simple enough to cook up if there's interest: sexp storage of paths for structure, calls to gpg to decrypt
shinohai: Would be neat esthlos
danielpbarron: i just dump to txt and then rm
danielpbarron: if it's something to be preserved, sign and deed it
mircea_popescu: esthlos ~nobody uses automated decryption.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: i'm thinking more 1. select thread to view, 2. insert/import/select decryption key, 3. enter pass, 4. show thread
esthlos: reasonable?
asciilifeform: why, in what universe do we need ~more~ liquishit touching gpggram plaintexts, rather than less..??
asciilifeform: bad enuff that they have to touch a x86
asciilifeform: and radiating vga
asciilifeform: esthlos: consider taking a stab at an open problem that's ACTUALLY A PROBLEM ?
asciilifeform: rather than a 'i dun fee like working on actual problems, so i'm make a microshit outlook for gpg' ??
asciilifeform: avoid falling into the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1763687 trap, esthlos ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 14:53 asciilifeform: 'hardware isn't easy to build therefore couldn't possibly be necessary, the gods would not have made this level so hard, for me, the hero' or similar.
esthlos: apparently my real-problem radar needs training
asciilifeform: esthlos: the answer lies in the logs
mircea_popescu: i imagine this is somethiong he perceives he needs for himself which is the driver
asciilifeform: esthlos: how many instances of 'i wish i had a gui for gpg' did you count in the logs ?
mircea_popescu: esthlos what problem are you trying to solve here ?
asciilifeform: i count 0.
esthlos: mircea_popescu: how to organize and preserve gpg encrypted conversations for later reading
mircea_popescu: consider maybe taking a bite out of the (afaik still unaproached) superproblem ?
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ << got specced after the 2015 destruction / public humiliation of fetlife
esthlos: hah, thought you were going to say non-shit gpg
mircea_popescu: you know, there's a reason why the mp-emulator is an open problem sitll.
asciilifeform: lol
esthlos: but this...is doable
esthlos: (by me)
mircea_popescu: might also be useful ; in any case might be usable which is almost as good.
mircea_popescu: look into diana_coman 's work re all the "Safe and good enough (tm) rsa"
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you've been following eucrypt.
esthlos: yes
mircea_popescu: (note that there's no absolute reason above item has to import browser & js. could also be stand-alone proggy)
mircea_popescu: the merger into gossipd and eulora later on -- obviously open avenue.
esthlos: alright, I will be thinking about this
esthlos: I can imagine it being very cool in eulora. mpi in js sounds hairy
mircea_popescu: well, something you'll have to use./
mircea_popescu: rsa in js seems hairy however you slice it.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, for folx weary of modern-day scamola and flimflammery : some good ol'fashioned '90s swindle... http://redhill.net.au/b/b-bad.html
asciilifeform: 'Here is our friend the anonymous 486 board again. See those black plastic things with metal legs on in the picture below? They look rather like cache RAM chips, don't they?'
asciilifeform: 'How could the board run with cache enabled in BIOS but without any cache? Simple: the manufacturer had reprogrammed the BIOS to permanently disable external cache no matter which way you set it, and to report "256k cache enabled" during the boot sequence no matter what.'
asciilifeform: best of all:
asciilifeform: 'And this is why the BIOS chip was soldered directly into the board, instead of being socketed: not just to save using a 10c part, but so that you couldn't easily remove it and detect the fraud...'
mircea_popescu: lmap
asciilifeform: 'But there is a deeper moral: in a way, the real culprits were the hordes of greedy retail buyers who made it all possible. By relentlessly shopping on price, price and price, a great many Australian PC buyers left themselves wide open to this fraud. In the end, the one essential thing that makes con tricks possible and practical is the greed of the victim.'
asciilifeform: whole thing worth reading.
mircea_popescu: half a moral. from the same place(not that it's not true to the point of triteness) " Quite often the most expensive boards are no better than the honest middle of the road ones, just priced higher."
mircea_popescu: the problem is not SIMPLY a bunch of fucktards who shop for price only. the cause they shop for price only is that a) http://trilema.com/2016/please-stop-using-dns-already-and-other-considerations/#selection-711.0-711.610 ie they hallucinate themselves in a position of authority from whence they can make choices in the first place and THEN b) because the position is fictive rather than actual, they need some sort of substitut
mircea_popescu: e criteria. so they pick price when shopping just as they pick cliffnotes and "is the A easy ??" classes when "educating" and "i just want to" when acting and so on ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: THIS is why expensive boards are just the same middle road shit overpriced, and THIS is why everything else : because the hallucination of self-importance is actually destructiv3e.
mircea_popescu: buffettism through and through, "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?"
mircea_popescu: but what fucking "ingenuity", the last immigrant irishman long retired from the police force, what are we talking about ? "oh but mp, i went to a walmart called MIT, it says it's the premiere technical institution in the world right there in its brochure! surely i can come up with something technological!" "you mean like... a website ?" "yeah!" "totally, move to silicon valley and revolutionize the technowhatever" "SHIT YEAH!"
ben_vulpes: !!up pehbot
deedbot: pehbot voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: !A .40#
pehbot: ben_vulpes: 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000040
ben_vulpes: okay i get the FZ_IDiv implementation now, that's pretty cool asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: no, strike that
apeloyee: FFA homework is fun! I'd like to present a homework problem of my own, the following Perfectly Innocent (tm) patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tcvvO/?raw=true . The task is to find a bug WITHOUT running the code (that's cheating, per Dijkstra: " we see to it that the programming language in question has not been implemented on campus so that students are protected from the temptation to...
apeloyee: ...test their programs." (https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html ))
apeloyee: (it is against Chapter 7)
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-15#1770618 << haven't. I'll put it on the list, looks great ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-15 03:02 mircea_popescu: in other news, it was discovered that the restaurant here i lauded a coupla places, doris metropolitan, is actually an ofshoot of a houston steakhouse! dja ever go trinque ?
ben_vulpes: apeloyee: thank you sir may i have another
apeloyee: sorry, didn't make more
ben_vulpes: ah no, it's a kind of joke
ben_vulpes: "beatings"
apeloyee: for srs
ben_vulpes: in other lolz, my mom just got a voicemail from someone claiming that i "seem to be committing fraud online", and that "there are a lot of people on his tail and to not take it lightly"
mircea_popescu: did they sound like butthurt trannies ?
ben_vulpes: couldn't tell ya, came as a transcript
ben_vulpes: 'tis the obvious one, innit?
mircea_popescu: trinque i recommend the 800g porterhouse! point bleu, with maybe the artichoke or the eggplant thingee.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes on the topic of "isn't it incredible how much work imbecile is willing to put into imbecillity", let's consider this thing from asciilifeform 's earlier link :
mircea_popescu: "Want to buy some 486 boards?" "What price?" "If you take 100 pieces, $76." "OK. What chipset are they?" "What chipset would you like?"
mircea_popescu: No kidding. That is exactly what went on — we never bought any, but we know people who did, and you could have any chipset you wanted. Well, you could have any chipset label you wanted. We only remember seeing these boards with UMC or PC Chips labels, but apparently you could ask for anything at all: UMC, SiS, Intel, you name it. After all, from the importer's point of view, if it helped close a sale for 500 motherboards, h
mircea_popescu: ow much did it cost to get some sticky labels printed up?
ben_vulpes: whoever it was managed to get some identifying bits right and others insultingly wrong
mircea_popescu: so now... you sell 500 boards for 76 bux each, that's $3800! if the margin on that shit is 2% you're doing fucking great, so the whole charade was organised for a whopping $75! which is half what a fucking steak costs.
mircea_popescu: somewhere there was a fucktard painting stickers for biosen in order to make 75 bux. who ?
mircea_popescu: the same sort of fucktard who goes around being a "woman in tech [journalism]" and so forth.
mircea_popescu: why ?
mircea_popescu: cuz apparently fucktard getting to pretend he's on top of things is worth ~infinity to the fucktard in question.
trinque: bahaha, fucktard in ben_vulpes' case actually thought to itself "I AM CALLING YOUR MOTHER!"
ben_vulpes: ohey here's the audio
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy.
ben_vulpes: dag if that is actually the trap in q i r astonish
trinque: life's tough when you're one "nuh uh" from a mental breakdown.
mircea_popescu: hey, pay your taxes so tranny can go around doing heroin / attention whore / nubbins in approximately equal cycles all over the place!
mircea_popescu: concern trolling is a legitimate social contribution! almost as good as childbearing!
ben_vulpes: unfortunately, only trolling of the concerned and bearing the lords' children are meaningful contributions.
mircea_popescu: i'm vaguely curious how this'll get spun once it's the basis for "you know, trannies are the worst offenders on a per capita basis when it comes to online harassment"
mircea_popescu: the logical continuation of http://trilema.com/2015/online-its-the-women-that-rape/
ben_vulpes: ah hey and there are the attempts to suborn what husks of social media profiles i have kicking around
mircea_popescu: im starting to feel neglected.
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/were-you-looking-for-me << CH - Were you looking for me?
ben_vulpes: well whomever it was managed to blow FZ_IDiv clear out of my head so i guess it's time to go for a run
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes broken link thar.
mircea_popescu: holy shit we're back to "mirceau" ? what the everloving ?
mircea_popescu: !#s "mirceau"
a111: 53 results for "\"mirceau\"", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=%22mirceau%22
ben_vulpes: ah ty mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the whole transcript is a link
mircea_popescu: a there it is.
mircea_popescu: hm. why does tranny sound like a diner waitress ?
mircea_popescu: hey, remember the days back when if you wanted to chuckle at this sort of inept bullshit you had to like... figure out what domain is encyclopedia dramatica at this week, and dive in ?
mircea_popescu likes this future of self-delivery lulz-mein.
ben_vulpes: bad impersonation of a fed?
ben_vulpes: "todays lunch special at vulpes' budget gigglestore, lulz-mein!"
ben_vulpes bbl, flopping meat through space
trinque: I'm confused; is "the right thing" the two bitcents?
trinque: in other opaque kids today, I watched some of the black mirror, that iirc mircea_popescu hated. what garbage.
mircea_popescu: there was a mediocre one, something with riding bikes for social media gold.
mircea_popescu: the rest...
trinque: whole thing begs you to believe socialism will last long enough to create that fat lesswrong pig's basilisk nightmares
trinque: then right, invites you to be pissed on because "we all use twitter" or something.
mircea_popescu: is this the one where future people are so personally invested in the comings and goings of dumbest generation narcissists they build time machine just to go bitchslap them retrospectively ?
trinque: your own, personal machine superintelligence
mircea_popescu: "it doesn't like you, not really, but it still sticks around to torture you!"
trinque: that's about it; only "plots" written today are exactly the anal child as seen on trilema
mircea_popescu: dissolution of fambly totally worked for all these independent career journawhores.
ben_vulpes: "i have no mouth and i must scream"?
ben_vulpes: that was a good one
ben_vulpes: turns out, garden variety reputational blackmail scam
ben_vulpes: deets forthcoming, gotta shower first
deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/the-thot-plickens-or-i-r-a-cryptocurrency-scamzor << CH - The thot plickens (or: I r a cryptocurrency scamzor!)
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770950 <<< bwahahaha this is comedy gold, ben_vulpes. Perhaps was hoping you Mother would what, apply a beating? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 06:56 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/were-you-looking-for-me << CH - Were you looking for me?
shinohai: More beatings, in it's case. might have prevented this mental illness.
shinohai: !~calc 0.00000066 * 500000
jhvh1: shinohai: 0.00000066 * 500000 = 0.33
shinohai: oh wait, shift that a decimal to the right.
ave1: I finally had some time to update the musl gnat build-script, write-up and download here: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl/
ave1: Note that this builds adacore 2016 release (also build gprbuild)
shinohai: Neat ave1 .... will read
shinohai: !!up bitleaks
deedbot: bitleaks voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 11943.52, vol: 25316.31249812 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 11601.0, vol: 85522.95599489 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 12024.9, vol: 6147.94750983 | Volume-weighted last average: 11697.3990656
shinohai: Buenas dias BingoBoingo, que hay de bueno?
BingoBoingo: Well, it's very humid today
shinohai: Well I guess that is good.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in entomology dept, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/3NGNP/?raw=true ( cryptome derp blocks archive.is bot nao )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770911 << i gotta ask, what's there to 'get' -- it's the same algo as in school book, e.g., hennessey, 'restoring division'; as also seen in knuth vol 2, and goes back to egyptian papyrii ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 05:50 ben_vulpes: okay i get the FZ_IDiv implementation now, that's pretty cool asciilifeform
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770913 << impatience is a sin, apeloyee . ( apparently restatement of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2051&cpage=1#comment-18606 thread ? ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 06:15 apeloyee: FFA homework is fun! I'd like to present a homework problem of my own, the following Perfectly Innocent (tm) patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tcvvO/?raw=true . The task is to find a bug WITHOUT running the code (that's cheating, per Dijkstra: " we see to it that the programming language in question has not been implemented on campus so that students are protected from the temptation to...
asciilifeform: what i don't understand is why apeloyee has a problem with 'SP ALWAYS POINTS TO A VALID CELL, MOTHERFUCKERS' rule.
asciilifeform: does he have a micro that is just 4kbit short of a useful ram for doing ffatronics ? and needs to shave that 1 cell ?
asciilifeform: and willing to do so at the expense of obvious correctness ?
asciilifeform: it'd be one thing if the suggested item were 'and here is how to lose the sad always-zero stack cell, AND have SP only ever point to valid cells.'
asciilifeform: THAT -- i'd roll in immediately.
asciilifeform: THIS -- i won't touch. it's worse by far than any xorswap 'rake'.
asciilifeform: and yes his example snippet ~will~ barf. and no i won't spoil the puzzle by saying where and how. and no it is not hard to make 9000 similar examples.
asciilifeform: the whole point of ffa is that it is to contain NO such possibility of NO such thing.
asciilifeform: if anyone finds so much as the smell of one -- i would like to hear about it, asap.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770914 << this is a classic piece and i recommend for all of the folx here, to read it, if they had not already read it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 06:15 apeloyee: ...test their programs." (https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html ))
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770923 << oh hey congrats on having yer own personal ninjashogun, ben_vulpes ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 06:21 ben_vulpes: in other lolz, my mom just got a voicemail from someone claiming that i "seem to be committing fraud online", and that "there are a lot of people on his tail and to not take it lightly"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770934 << there was that proverb, re how 'stolen meat tastes better' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 06:26 mircea_popescu: somewhere there was a fucktard painting stickers for biosen in order to make 75 bux. who ?
asciilifeform: !#s while you sleep
a111: 42 results for "while you sleep", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=while%20you%20sleep
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
asciilifeform: notion being, he made that 75 'without working', moar emotional 'bang' from it than from 75k from dayjob
asciilifeform: let's say, items iv + v from mircea_popescu's http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo article.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770950 << what i dunget is why ben_vulpes was the lucky one ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 06:56 deedbot: http://cascadianhacker.com/were-you-looking-for-me << CH - Were you looking for me?
asciilifeform: thread was, what, 5+ people
asciilifeform: none of whom, iirc, substantially disagreed
asciilifeform: though this reminds me, this episode is a good illustration of one point where i disagree with mircea_popescu re the gutter -- i do not want the gutter or its inhabitants who cannot come out of it on their own power, for anything whatsoever. they bring with them the stench, and it never really washes off.
asciilifeform: i do not, i will confess, grasp, for what anybody needs the indiancandies, the 'pirate radio' imbeciles, the trannies, any of the various scum. none of the functional people here were ever any of these things. they are not the larval form of anything worthwhile.
asciilifeform: imho, the reddit-outreaches or whatever process resulted in the recent influx of these -- is misguided. let the functional djbs come -- or not come.
asciilifeform: !#s salvation of the drowning
a111: 9 results for "salvation of the drowning", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=salvation%20of%20the%20drowning
asciilifeform: ^ see also.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770987 << this is pretty great work, ave1 . hey trinque , are you equipped with a working musltronic system, to try this recipe ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 13:20 ave1: I finally had some time to update the musl gnat build-script, write-up and download here: http://ave1.org/2018/building-gnat-on-musl/
asciilifeform: ( unfortunately asciilifeform currently is not )
trinque: no sig from ave1 on his tarball, so neh
trinque: also 404 on tarball, lol
trinque: ave1: pls to remedy the above and I'll test this
trinque: oh, I see how the link is broken
trinque: still needs a sig, but luckily I can read
asciilifeform: pretty heavy
asciilifeform: wai all of these binutils patches ? really necessary for mere fact of building gnat ??
asciilifeform: their cumulative mass dwarfs , e.g., trb.
trinque: yeah I dunno I want to digest this in present form. would be nice to know which items came from where in "musl-cross" and which were edited by ave1
asciilifeform: if i had to guess, would guess that they were plucked out of some gentoo ebuilds
asciilifeform: but why guess, let ave1 answer when wakes up.
ave1: I fixed the link, the "gcc-4.9.adacore2016-musl.diff" and "gprbuild-gpl-2017-src-musl.diff" are mine, the others came from musl-cross
ave1: the adacore diff also includes previous 4.9.4 patches for musl
trinque: if you neither sign what you're offering nor offer hashes and links to where you got things, how am I supposed to evaluate whether I want to run this?
trinque: will yes, read, but unsigned, it's an item found by the side of the road
asciilifeform: trinque: gcc , gnat , themselves, also 'from side of the road'.
asciilifeform: any and all versions thereof.
trinque: oh, so you're taking the "unsigned is fine" today?
ave1: trinque, I understand, I will sign the tarball (after removing the diffs that are unused anyway)
trinque: ave1: cool; if nothing else, I know I got what you meant to send
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770890 << to be clear, the idea here is that you pick up the extant eulora client, gut it of the current eulora functionality, put eucrypt in there and proceed to implement your idea. this way you have a proved-to-cross-compile platform to start from. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 03:18 esthlos: I can imagine it being very cool in eulora. mpi in js sounds hairy
mircea_popescu: the perceived alternative, where you code against "the browser" may appear "easier" and "normal" in the sense of http://trilema.com/2013/soft-consensus-aka-fecal-matter/ ie "what everyone does", but if you sit down and make the comparison chart it becomes evident what a horrid solution it is.
mircea_popescu: in the first place, what fucking browser, they're multiple, and closed turd vendor crap pushed by utter pantsuit like mozilla, a sort of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-13#1770138 samovar. in the second place, the interface is TERRIBLE, and i don't just mean "what javascript" but also "what ssl, what pki, what dns, what the fuck". and then "what html soup, why did it crash, holy hell why does it leak secret data" and on and ON ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-13 03:56 mircea_popescu: if your iq is over 90, going to work for google is the morally and economically wrong thing to do.
mircea_popescu: AND ON.
mircea_popescu waves
asciilifeform: trinque: first step is to genesis a gnat. ~then~ patches... a la trb
asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu !
mircea_popescu can't believe just how utterly shitty his 2015 spec is. anyone read that thing recently ? please don't, i'm ashamed.
asciilifeform: which one mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: the pgp bbs item ?
mircea_popescu: the thing i linked him to, yes.
asciilifeform: i'll confess that it made no sense to me then, and same now. browser ought to be buried, not nursed along.
mircea_popescu: terrible. of course, the more flattering converse way to put it is "omfg i can't believe how much the republic grew in a coupla years".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's what i just said!
asciilifeform: aaha
asciilifeform: hey, recall how asciilifeform tried to resurrect gpg, cut out the 'good part'...
asciilifeform: even turn it into an iron box
mircea_popescu: i do.
asciilifeform: similarly dead end.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the browser was a terrible fucking idea. no wonder everyone ended up with "Browsers" in their "computer for dumbasses", the alternative was what, irc client ? that was not nearly as dumb.
shinohai: http://archive.is/pU5zY <<< "Microsoft was faced with 8 (eight!)* new vulnerabilities in Equation Editor reported after their manual patch, they gave up on the idea of continuing manual support for it."
mircea_popescu: consumer always gets the sharpest stick up its ass.
mircea_popescu: "It is a well-known fact that Illuminati consist of Multi Millionaires, Billionaires who have major influence regarding most global affairs, including the planning of a New World Order." << poor nigerians got left outta da loop. it's all billionaires nowadays yo.
asciilifeform: btw on subj of 'illuminatists', ran across https://archive.is/1O15U lulgem recently.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform has wondered whether astana were ever on mircea_popescu's 'cities list'
asciilifeform has not been there.
mircea_popescu: eh, i don't like the steppes. too... much space.
asciilifeform: but naively, and from distant perch, it seems like a '10/10', no 'anticorruption' derpery, usg sits on a short leash, pretty gurlz
mircea_popescu: eh, this is very naive. "pretty gurlz" only in the sense of trading with the mongol horde after it combed the rural shithole for the cream.
mircea_popescu: which... afaik dun exist. only way i'd go there is if the russians invaded a decade ago and place was run by vory now.
asciilifeform: i thought that's exactly how it was ?
mircea_popescu: afaik it's just the local retards doing their local retard things.
mircea_popescu: also, usg not nearly on as short a leash as you imagine. you judge by lack of antibodies, which is how most viral infections are measured, but think -- another reason why no antibodies is available...\
asciilifeform knows approx as much re what happens in astana, as re on mars.
mircea_popescu: i'm not much better.
asciilifeform: i'm tempted to go, simply to find out.
asciilifeform: but arse longa...
mircea_popescu: anyway, iirc they even had a "camp for whores that picked the wrong dickheads" there.
asciilifeform has been tempted to go ever since reading http://lib.ru/MEMUARY/CHECHILO/bajkonur.txt yearz ago
mircea_popescu: so go, what's in a going. or send the pet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they did !
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771077 << i misread, 'equation group', lel ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 16:01 shinohai: http://archive.is/pU5zY <<< "Microsoft was faced with 8 (eight!)* new vulnerabilities in Equation Editor reported after their manual patch, they gave up on the idea of continuing manual support for it."
mircea_popescu: nah they had a "you don't need tex" thing
asciilifeform: iirc it was eventually merged into msword etc
shinohai: Somewhere, someone is preparing an epidemic of ransomware to launch against users of this turd.
mircea_popescu: shinohai maybe not, they're all poor & stupid mathematicians.
mircea_popescu: !~calc 50000 * 0.008127
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: 50000 * 0.008127 = 406.35
asciilifeform: i've yet to run across a maths type who ever touched it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform poor & stupid. i can't shake the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767798 ; consider that you've not met either satoshi nor the other dood there discussed ; and not for lack of specifically trying. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:13 mircea_popescu: "# We use c=0.005 which has been experimentally found to be optimal in processing time for common PC under MS Windows and values of k of practical interest. A different c value may be desirable for use in different computing environments." << check it out asciilifeform ! IT IS SATOSHI ALL OVER AGAIN. why. WHY!!!
mircea_popescu: so yes, there's a group, of size unknown, composed of poor and stupid mathematicians, who do idiotic things like write bitcoin for windows, write gnupg in python, etcetera.
asciilifeform: i ~have~ met plenty of biologists, chemists, etc. who used.
asciilifeform: 'excel' also. is king, among these.
mircea_popescu: "it can do my calculations for me. what else can do calculations ?!?!"
mircea_popescu: i'm like... holy fuck. the computer does nothing else, ye ninny.
asciilifeform: the maths folk, they write longhand, and order grad student slave to texify.
asciilifeform: ( there is naught else , aside from teaching duty, for slave, no bottles to wash in maths dept )
shinohai: http://cascadianhacker.com/the-thot-plickens-or-i-r-a-cryptocurrency-scamzor <<< http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/erliek.jpg
asciilifeform: bitcoin, gpg, show every symptom of authorship by programmertards, rather than academitards -- quite different types of 'shambling walker', as far apart as typhoids and lepers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this may be true ; not much my experience, but then again i never spent much time in either hospital.
asciilifeform: the dijkstra piece linked earlier, btw, is interesting in re subj of 'mathstards'
asciilifeform: 'the vast majority of the mathematical community has never challenged its tacit assumption that doing mathematics will remain very much the same type of mental activity it has always been: new topics will come, flourish, and go as they have done in the past, but, the human brain being what it is, our ways of teaching, learning, and understanding mathematics, of problem solving, and of mathematical discovery will remain pretty much th
asciilifeform: e same...'
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem ; i'm sure most of them are invested in this stability above all else.
asciilifeform: dijkstra's -- imho well-founded -- pov was that computer became the domain of the half-educated, the hucksters, and the miscellaneous scum, because what passed for thinking people, ~surrendered~ it to them
mircea_popescu: "i went into math so as not to have to do this damn it, if i wanted lab equipment in the house i'd have gone into physics" was very much heard by me with own ears 2-3 decades ago.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, republican doctrine holds exactly same.
asciilifeform: same which
mircea_popescu: "computer became the domain of the half-educated, the hucksters, and the miscellaneous scum, because what passed for thinking people, ~surrendered~ it to them"
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: well yes. given as it's... tru
mircea_popescu: aha.
asciilifeform: i suspect that this disease goes right back to the 'omfg, Troo Thinker can't work with HANDS, like SLAVES! do' greeks.
mircea_popescu: course, as per tmsr this is not limited to computers, either. "women are bitter and unhappy because you threw away the leash and government is shiot because they're stuck doing without you. now come off it."
mircea_popescu is starting to like this shiot typographic portmanteau of shot and shit. literally, government is in fact shiot.
asciilifeform: i thought that was 'shoit'
mircea_popescu: hm.
mircea_popescu: but i comes before o in both alphabet and keyboard ?
mircea_popescu: check it out, we now have a grammar for misspellings ;/
asciilifeform: depends on whether we wanna be irish or scots, lol
asciilifeform: oi vs io..
asciilifeform for some reason recalls the 'etaoin shrdlu' kbd
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770914 << classic or not classic, the wreckers set it so the bot no longer archives it. orig : https://archive.is/https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 06:15 apeloyee: ...test their programs." (https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html ))
BingoBoingo: And I have an appointment for residency consideration
mircea_popescu: it could sit there undisturbed for half a decade, then got fucked in the past half year.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rPIyd/?raw=true << here .
asciilifeform: ( really oughta grab the rest, similarly , before they become unobtainium )
mircea_popescu: prolly.
asciilifeform: i have a buncha dead tree, but i dunthink they contain all of dijkstra.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also loox like the bot did archive ?
asciilifeform: afaik it does not rearchive the already-archived ?
asciilifeform: ^ lobbes ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771020 << yes, that "emotional bang" being exactly the idiocy of "i r independent woman hear me roar" idiocy-of-poverty in http://trilema.com/2014/the-death-of-taxes/#selection-185.608-185.781 (or for that matter http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#selection-133.0-133.837 , or everywherew else.) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 15:24 asciilifeform: notion being, he made that 75 'without working', moar emotional 'bang' from it than from 75k from dayjob
mircea_popescu: and speaking of them "nude concrete walls", you know it's evident from the pics of dumb-whore-on-meatmarket-thinking-itself-"domme" (as opposed to the dumb-whore-on-meatmarket-thinking-itself-slave) that they're THE POOREST of the meatmarket set ?
mircea_popescu: even smaller cots, even tinier cells, even dirtier walls, it's something entirely else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm moar closely familiar with the male variant, the spammers, misc scammers, halfwit malwarists, etc. who make somewhere below half of what renting a doghouse in ohio costs, but persist
asciilifeform: but prolly similar to mircea_popescu's specimens , fundamentally
mircea_popescu: apparently the gargauni are a major predictor of poverty. who coulda guessed &c.
mircea_popescu: !#s gargauni
a111: 8 results for "gargauni", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gargauni
asciilifeform: i dun see the causative arrow's direction as obvious
asciilifeform: why not just as well 'poverty, of gargauni'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-19#1410463 << a there we go. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-02-19 21:13 mircea_popescu: discrete, self-reproducing bits of idiocy, chiefly found in young female heads.
asciilifeform: aka cockroaches
asciilifeform: ( i dun see how specifically female , they are a universal plague )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, the whole statement was correlation, causation left to the owner to discern.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chiefly ~found~. i dun look in male heads. prior to the republic, i only looked with power tools.
asciilifeform: makessense.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771026 << you don't understand why you want it because you ran into a sane woman, monogamize around and don't procreate. the inescapable gutter, foul as it is, is an absolute requirement for the education of children and young slavegirl. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 15:28 asciilifeform: though this reminds me, this episode is a good illustration of one point where i disagree with mircea_popescu re the gutter -- i do not want the gutter or its inhabitants who cannot come out of it on their own power, for anything whatsoever. they bring with them the stench, and it never really washes off.
asciilifeform: this is prolly so.
asciilifeform: 'phd conveyor'
mircea_popescu: if you had daugthers, or if your girl did the god ordained http://trilema.com/2016/just-call-me-annah/ you'd know in short ordre why it's needed
mircea_popescu: so jena's "gauntie sara" sells her to your girl rather than sending her to maryland college for pretentious cunts.
mircea_popescu: and for a thousand pesos, ie about 60 bux, ie about a gram of gold give or take.
asciilifeform: also asciilifeform was thinking, su ~had~ 'gutter', was simply implemented somewhat differently
asciilifeform: ( the baikonur memoir linked earlier is good picture of how, but so is 9000 other works from the period )
mircea_popescu: (consider : 4bn females in the world, ~200 tonnes of gold all told. NOT THAT MUCH GOLD AVAILABLE.)
mircea_popescu: a gram for a fanciulla is already two standard deviations from the average of 0.05
asciilifeform: speaking of pierced pretenses, according to orlol ( and i've no way to verify ) a ru tanker is offloading a purchase of lng at boston harbour as we speak.
asciilifeform: despite 'sanctions'.
mircea_popescu: prolly pavillion shenanigans.
asciilifeform: hm?
mircea_popescu: back in the day (80s, but from the practitioners that day never changes, just moves), one of the best livings was "maritime juristidction expert".
mircea_popescu: ie, you tell the people who want to go from x to y what to do to pay least.
mircea_popescu: "and then you fly the belize flag from this to that port, and then..."
mircea_popescu: basically being the pirate's parrot.
asciilifeform has nfi whether this is routine, or even +ev, for an item like fully loaded lng tank
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, "it's not technically russian, sorry."
asciilifeform: aa.
asciilifeform: prolly it then.
mircea_popescu: people scared by the tax code should review maritime law sometime.
asciilifeform: all 'rule-of-law'-ism eventually converges to maritimetaxcode.
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771145 <-- to download the html and pdfs see --> http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/VxfkJ/?raw=true ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 16:45 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/rPIyd/?raw=true << here .
asciilifeform: just like all cmachineism eventually converges to koch.
mircea_popescu: im sure.
asciilifeform: elementary ratchet situation.
asciilifeform: ave1: neato.
mircea_popescu: s/$(seq 0 9)/$(seq 0 13)/ ?
ave1: no you'll need to remove a 0 from the prefix url
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry, ranges huh. s/$(seq 0 9)/$(seq 00 13)/
mircea_popescu: iirc they finally fixed this where bash is now a lot more perl-esque -- if you give hint of format in the for declaration it obeys it.
ave1: mine doesn't: echo $(seq 00 13) --> 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13
mircea_popescu: tsk
mircea_popescu: echo $(seq -f "%02g" 0 13) << old style then
mircea_popescu: (also, let it be pointed out for the benefit of the future noob : the use of xargs with shit from curl is dancing with the wolves. finest way to lose a box.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771053 << use the declarative signature styles, there's all sorts of "here's so and so item preserved, signer makes no promise besides identity with item in wild at this time", for orig gnupg, for wordpress, for all sorta crap. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 15:56 ave1: trinque, I understand, I will sign the tarball (after removing the diffs that are unused anyway)
ave1: any example on how to do this?
mircea_popescu: one sec
ave1: btw: $(seq -w 00 13)
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000047.html << example.
mircea_popescu: ave1 http://deedbot.org/deed-358601-1.txt ; http://deedbot.org/deed-363246-1.txt ; etc
mircea_popescu: his above, too.
ave1: thanks! I get it, and will do
mircea_popescu: cool.
mircea_popescu: !!rated ave1
deedbot: mircea_popescu rated ave1 2 at 2017/07/19 18:58:19 << http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-19#1686605
mircea_popescu: aww was gonna put "fellow bashfictionado" in there but then i got lazy
phf: why not {00..13}?
mircea_popescu: phf dun work on old bash
phf: ah
asciilifeform: !~later tell ben_vulpes your 'the court' link is malformed
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: have you noticed what a propensiety for malformed links he has ?
asciilifeform: or hm nm!
asciilifeform: my head, apparently, instead, malformed, link is ok
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and for a thousand pesos, ie about 60 bux, ie about a gram of gold give or take. << Thousand pesos is ~30 bucks
asciilifeform: which pesos
asciilifeform: there's , what, 15 'pesos' , neh
asciilifeform: ( i.e. a 'weight', that is, of silver, sorta how 'pound', or 'ruble', at one point )
shinohai: PesoCash is the real Peso. (tm)
asciilifeform: or how 'dollar' was once a gold 'thaller'
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> which pesos Argentine or Uruguayan
BingoBoingo: If you have illusions there's a difference between the two try taking Argentine pesos to a cambio
asciilifeform: iirc 100 ar peso ~= 5bux
asciilifeform: (of usa)
asciilifeform: ( when i was last there, was ~8 )
BingoBoingo: Not really anymore. Only if you hit the exact middle of the buy/sell spread. Compra 1.2 Venta 1.8
BingoBoingo: And Argentina has a 1000 peso note now
asciilifeform: 1.2 and 1.8 of which, per which ?
BingoBoingo: If you sell an Argentine peso you get 1.2 Uruguayan pesos. To buy Argentine pesos requires 1.8 Uruguayan pesos.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: i was speaking of usd.
BingoBoingo: USD is a closer spread. Compra 28 Venta 29
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the other pesos.
BingoBoingo: To track spending I just figure 30 pesos to the dollar. But it anycase 100 Argentine pesos is not at all worth 5 USD
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah
mircea_popescu: 1000 pesos!
mircea_popescu: and the piece is from 2016, wut can you do.
BingoBoingo: Lul at Argentina's continuing Argentina
asciilifeform: from yesterday's 486 lulz item, others : http://redhill.net.au/b/b-92.html >> '...you could buy almost anything in XT days; this was long before the dead hand of monopoly crushed the innovation and the creativity out of the PC industry. If you can find an old copy of Byte or APC or even Popular Computing, from 1984 say, or even 1989, spend a half-hour reading through the small ads in the back—you will not believe how much choice th
asciilifeform: ere used to be.'
mircea_popescu: aha.
mircea_popescu: i would believe.
asciilifeform: whole site pretty great, from archaeology pov.
mircea_popescu: i was fucking there, what.
asciilifeform: well so was i, lol
asciilifeform: but not errywhere and not all the time.
asciilifeform happened across the site when researching vintage components for a dos box that he was building.
asciilifeform: 'VLSI, by the way, in amongst their many other products, made chipsets for quite some time. Their last chipset would be one of the very few 75MHz capable Socket 7 designs. Like all the independent chipset makers, their market share would suffer greatly because of Intel's push to extend their CPU near-monopoly into chipsets as well and, unable to compete with Intel on even terms, they stopped trying. VLSI merged with the giant Phillip
asciilifeform: s group in 1999.'
asciilifeform: i did wonder where they went !
asciilifeform had a pretty nifty 486-dx100 , with 'vlsi' bridge.
mircea_popescu: in other gems of the web browser : peltast's why am i dead ; toge production's infectonator ; tactisoft's supermechs ; hoplitegames battle sails
asciilifeform: that 1st one loox neat
phf: methinks next eulora client implementation is going to be browser based
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: is he trolling me ?
BingoBoingo: Mebbe not, lynx is still a browser
phf: it'll be complete with those goofy looking avatars, that every single ipad/html game seems to like these days
phf: http://www.plusxp.com/wp-content/uploads/jetpack1.jpg
shinohai: Oh God phf .... if it ever comes to that.
shinohai: I like my tattered clothing and bad haircut, thank you very much.
trinque: poor man tore his ethernet cable from teh wall, you bastards!1!!
phf: the amount of can't even created electric disruption in san jose downtown
trinque: holy eMP
asciilifeform: meanwhile, >> http://multicore.ru/index.php?id=146 << in other unobtainiums.
shinohai: I don't trust them, they need stickers on top.
asciilifeform: stickers are for lamerz, they'll laser-engrave Whatever You Like (tm)
asciilifeform: elsewhere : https://ok.ru/video/387389133217 << elbrus 'unboxing film'.
phf: shit, they'll pre-etch the silicon in the next production batch for you
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: ^ gotta love the chinese 'multimedia' shit kbd ~included~ in that crate
asciilifeform: ( i.e. a ~3500 usd crate )
trinque: god he's even imitating the valleytard tshirt and jacket.
asciilifeform: and lol is that a... dell monitor
asciilifeform: trinque: i'm watching, as i typically do, without sound card
asciilifeform: there's another film, on that www, where the thing boots.
asciilifeform: into kde/poetteringolade.
phf: yes, but what do you expect? a v-ified FORTH environment? all these people who "wrote tetris into last 10 bytes of telemetry system" have long been put to pasture at naval research center or NIH or ...
asciilifeform: well there ~was~ that altera clone
asciilifeform: ( iirc i posted a snapshot of a leaked fragment of docs for it, last yr )
asciilifeform: and on top of this, the folx 'put to pasture at nih' -- or at least the ones not yet senile -- i suspect at this point are ready to come back
asciilifeform: problem is that there is nowhere to go back, the entire culture that made the '10 bytes of telemetry' is afaik gone.
asciilifeform: what's left , has ~same relation to the original, as current-day egypt to the pharaonic egypt.
asciilifeform: this is the basic problem with http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-13#1669415 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-13 02:20 mircea_popescu: it was utterly the case of eg ro revolution. none of the people there wanted "freedom". they were literally pissed off they can't drive over to austrian border and load up the car at the w/e discount shop.
asciilifeform: the 'free choice of freely-choosing free konsoomerz' idiocy baccilus was brought in, and will do its work.
phf: nah, they "fought for freedom" such a long time, it'll literally kill them to admit mistake. what's left of that culture plays charades at roman toga theme new years parties in potomac and praises large kitchen, which is a step up from kitchens of 30 years ago
asciilifeform: i was thinking of current-day ru as the arab-egyptian. but yes.
phf: i wonder if current day ru even talks about "lost knowledge" LoTR style, or it's literally arab egyption "we're best of what could possibly be!1"
asciilifeform: phf: from my admittedly distant perch, loox like some of 1, some of the other.
asciilifeform: oblig: '“Are people starving to death? Or are they sick because they are too fat?” Artisan Quin scratched his beard and thought about that one. “You’re talking of slines, I assume?” Fraa Orolo shrugged. Quin thought that was funny. Unlike Artisan Flec, he was not afraid to laugh out loud. “Sort of both at the same time,” he finally admitted. “Very good,” said Fraa Orolo, in a now we’re getting somewhere tone, and
asciilifeform: glanced at me to make sure I was getting it down.' (tm)(r)('anathem')
phf: da, byli lyudi v nashe vremya, ne to, chto nineshneye plemya: bogatyri -- ne vi!
asciilifeform: lolyes
asciilifeform had a spiffy picture book ver of that thing, as a little kid
asciilifeform: 'Забил заряд я в пушку туго. И думал: угощу я друга!' etc.
phf: one of many 19th c poems, that i can recite, while standing on a chair (a particular form of grownup entertainment apparently unknown in eslands)
asciilifeform: for n00bz in the audience : poetry recital was good % of total mass of early schooling.
trinque: from the murican side, of the cold warriors I've known, seems like the evil empire served as a surrogate culture for a while.
trinque: when gone, life descends into a sort of neurotic suburban existential break
trinque: I dunno what the equivalent on the RU side was
trinque: but that sweaty guy in the "am tech nerd too" jacket looks familiar
asciilifeform: what culture, lol
trinque: wasn't that my point.
phf: russian cultural center in d.c. still gets a regular influx of 50+ something men in grey suits, who like to talk about good old days of cold war
asciilifeform: in chicago , in the handful of 19th c building that hadn't yet been torn down to make glass idiocies, there are murals. of what the 1890s folx thought were greek muses, mythical heroes, etc.
asciilifeform: they missed what they could remember of actual culture. of europe.
trinque: I say the place had no culture, and he starts arguing with me that it had no culture
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: i was curious specifically re what they instead had, trinque .
trinque: ah, "save the world for democracy" or something
asciilifeform: in the place where normal folx have culture, what organ did they have.
asciilifeform: aa.
trinque: and got "shit, I joined the airforce to be in that gay-ass top gun movie, got instead desk, and military downsizing"
phf: i mentioned to one of these men that i have good ear for accents, at which point he proceeded to immitate, without any comedic manerisms, roughly 10-20 accents along the dc<->baltimore line.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771151 << bot snarfs, submits, and downloads (at least attempts to) any and all links that are dropped here, even if dropped previously ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 16:47 asciilifeform: ^ lobbes ?
trinque: asciilifeform: had only "not others" and when it had decent "others" did better
lobbes: !Qsarchive https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html
lobbesbot: 3 results for "https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html", http://lobbesblog.com/queryarchive/view.php?searchterm=https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/EWD10xx/EWD1036.html&sortby=
lobbes: ^^ e.g. took a bit longer than an hour for those to appear in the searchable db but they show now
asciilifeform: ah hm.
phf: (err, dc<->boston line, of course)
trinque has a blood relation he can tell to this day laments that he didn't get to dogfight migs
trinque: it's possible ww3 might've almost made a country out of USA if it'd been fought in late 80s, and survived
phf: possibly only as a side effect of general mobilization. as it stands the divide between texan boys who got to help their buddies keep their guts inside ied torn bellies and the coastal "intelligentsia" has only grown and has only made this country weaker
trinque: aha
asciilifeform: phf: and them texas bois, every bit as ready to http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-19#1244654 afaik , as ever. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-19 23:55 mircea_popescu: what, "i'm a boy from tenesee here to die for some fat bitch's right to marry her dog" ?
trinque: or they'll circumambulate a shitty statue with dicks in hand, hoping this is the ritual that calls meaning down from god
asciilifeform: there's a reason why the folx coming back from the various vietnams, come back with dope habits, instead of menschkeit , phf
asciilifeform: 'how didja lose that leg, grandfather?' 'fighting for walmart'
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc it was naggum who had a piece re how folx with trauma, do not necessarily or even often learn anything useful from said trauma
asciilifeform: and instead will lock on to happenstance
asciilifeform: 'lucky shirt saved me'
asciilifeform: know how many 'lucky bibles' from both world wars ?
asciilifeform: ( granted, there is not always anything useful ~to~ be learned. )
trinque: oh sure. the statue, as per mircea_popescu's definition of art, is a cargo-cultism where the sovereign that put it there is unknown, and dead.
asciilifeform: very often known
asciilifeform: and sometimes statue plays same role but 'with minus sign', e.g. in the post-su lands they ~saved~ some lenins, so as to mutilate/tear down in measured doses later , when wanting to give some extra suction treat to western cock
asciilifeform: every year i hear about, e.g., 'lenin knocked down in warsaw' -- always gotta wonder 'WHERE? was it hiding all of this time?!'
trinque: heh, brought out for just this occasion
asciilifeform: i can't help but picture that eventually they will have to cast ~new~ lenins.
asciilifeform: so as to continue this.
asciilifeform: ( or perhaps the destroyed ones, are not really melted, they are stored for this ritual somewhere )
phf: there's an east germany company that still produces lenins for just such occassions. bulk of their orders is arab millionaires and north-eastern u.s. college towns, but sometimes they get an order from the city of warsaw and then honest german craftsmen take special pride in their work, put little creases into construction that help with toppling, special pliant alloys, etc.
asciilifeform: iirc the one in nyc was recently stolen
asciilifeform: 'мертвого льва может пнуть даже осел' (tm)(r)(folk whizzdom)
phf: see, that little vignette could be used to feed a berlin artist for a year, government grants to develop that idea into full blown art projects. "factory visit" documentaries, interviews with the workers, etc. got bless the nodic system
asciilifeform: somebody is reading and hands itching as we speak, aha.
phf: re fighting for walmart, dolly parton apparently did a pretty bad rendition of the ballad of the green beret https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7-pnAPcSN4
Covale`: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771356 - https://i.imgur.com/Vb7udEC.jpg ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 19:14 asciilifeform: every year i hear about, e.g., 'lenin knocked down in warsaw' -- always gotta wonder 'WHERE? was it hiding all of this time?!'
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: when i was walking around in timis, wondered whether some of those boarded-up cellars contained a lenin.
asciilifeform: ( prolly not, as metallists would inevitably get to him, like ants get to a corpse in the forest. but just. possibly. one. somewhere )
Covale`: asciilifeform, I don´t think we had any Lenins there, as far as I know
phf: my country house was nearby zvezdny gorodok, so lots of "skladi" (open air storage facilities, mostly for r&d and military). obviously we used to climb over and explore mounds and mounds of electronics parts and old decomitioned army equipment, etc. but every once in a while we'lll come acros a statue of lenin
Covale`: but there is one here apparently: ¨Lenin head statue at the top of Lenin Peak, Pamir Mountains, Kyrgyzstan¨ - https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQJGU7dW0AMybIY.jpg
phf: we had a lofty plan to steal the head of lenin from one of those skladi, but being 12 at the time, we failed to actually procure a saw large enough to make a dent
asciilifeform: phf so narrowly missed such great career as a metallist, i had nfi!
phf: why missed! my first entry into electronics was when my grandpa in his very particular way completely dismissed the value of our electronics loot by saying "yes, but how many of these components actually worked" and then leaving a tester
phf: (the answer is that about %10 of shit we would pick up could be desoldered and used, though of course we didn't have any use for it. i suppose metalist career could've started if we started selling what we recovered)
asciilifeform: pulling components from su appliances was a bitch: that red varnish
asciilifeform: at least as a kid, i had no way of stripping it, aside from bare hands/knife
phf also has a very visceral understanding of "roadside picnic"
asciilifeform: postcollapse americans are in for some rude surprises : ~0 of the electro-crapola they surround themselves with, is worth ~anything, either as reuse, or salvage
asciilifeform: ( possibly by the tonne , worth ~something . but not +ev to transport anywhere. )
phf: a lot of stuff we'd find, particularly inside buildings would not even require stripping. boxes of resistors and capacitors, various cool bits like variable resistors..
asciilifeform: consider how many items in current-day american shop even contain a discrete resistor.
Covale`: dark days ahead, eh ?
asciilifeform: and yes repairable machinery will create stockpiles of useful parts.
asciilifeform: even eminently-repairable items , no longer repairable in practice in usa, unless you do it with own hands
asciilifeform: for instance, at one time there were shops where you could take a e.g. lappy battery pack and they would saw it open, replace cells.
asciilifeform: today i gotta do this with own hands. because nobody else will, for any money.
asciilifeform: and this is while i can still get the 'universal' cylindrical cells. they will, i expect, disappear, at some point.
asciilifeform: ( new konsoomer crapola uses custom, per-device prismatics )
phf: when i started to apple there was an odd network of apple repair shops, that were completely warranty voiding, but they could do non-trivial operations on a mac (in fact with a few exceptions the owners were knowledgable tinkerers ready and willing to chat about finer points of electronics hackery), the network has been completely destroyed by the bait and switch of "authorization" that apple pulled right after they started the whole apple store thing.
asciilifeform: a good % of the 'planned obsolescence' racket is enforced using batteryism.
asciilifeform: phf: not much room to work in, any moar, either -- new crapple iron is aluminum box with 2 custom chips, a custom prismatic li-po cell, and buncha epoxy
phf: right
asciilifeform: iirc not even lcd in recent ipnoje, in any meaningful sense replaceable
asciilifeform: ( it's part of the pcb )
asciilifeform: thing is as reusable as a tampax.
phf: well, you know those apocryphal stories of schengenese hand soldering chips on iphone boards
asciilifeform: last i saw one, it had 0 exposed or exposable contacts at all.
phf: doesn't mean you can't cut off at stem with a blade, solder back "levsha" style :>
asciilifeform: the 1 item folx do, is to pull off the flashroms, you can even buy a ready reader for'em nao. but only turdtroid, crapple has weird proprietary all-in-1 , for which nuffin is (publicly) available at all.
asciilifeform: lol stem
phf: anyway, i did recently replace an iphone (6?) screen, i mean, as far as legoes go that is 6/10. i suspect people who do that for living can do it in 1/10 of time
asciilifeform: i remember doing ( sometimes successful, more often not ) homebrew re-reflow-of-bad-bga tho.
asciilifeform: iirc 6 was the last where it came off. ( could be wrong tho )
asciilifeform: ( re bga -- http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-07#1229690 & elsewhere ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2015-08-07 23:43 asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-08-2015#1229616 << laugh, but this is happening. esp. concerning gpu: several whole generations of nvidia products suffer from the dreaded bga ball defect, and have strictly limited lifespan.
asciilifeform: blame pb-free-ism.
asciilifeform: !#s nvidia bga
a111: 5 results for "nvidia bga", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=nvidia%20bga
phf: yeah, i think i gotta do that.. my workhorse machine finally died at motherboard (2011 mac, colleges sighed existential relief "finally you can upgrade like a normal human being", not so fast!)
asciilifeform: pro tip : dun use the folx recipe with the paint strip gun and kitchen foil. it dun work.
phf: which i suspect is a "bga ball defect" on the secondary video card
asciilifeform: ( the 'real deal' tool is the ir lamp thing, looks a bit like a photo enlarger, with pre-heat bed underneath. i dun have one. i only have the hot air hose. which relies on your bare hands and ir thermometer to follow reflow curve, which is why my success rate is 20-30% , i suspect )
phf: i actually found a lab that repairs apple motherboards of certain vintage, cheap
asciilifeform: whether 'cheap' or not, depends on what you get, neh
asciilifeform: i had one such repaired, it lived <6mo.
phf: correct, the exercise is more of a "zen and the art of motorcycle" than anything else
asciilifeform: i'm not even fully convinced that the bga issue did not mask a more deliberate funsurprise, with e.g. a specially crafted slowly-melting 'planned obsolescent' fuse on the die, or the like.
phf afk
asciilifeform: ( crapple's ~entire activity, for past ~20yrs, added up to work to ensure that you cannot use the crapple box you were happy with in 2002, today . )
asciilifeform: Because It Would Be Wrong (tm).
asciilifeform: even box circa 2010, will NOT 'sync' with current-day ipnoje, for instance. For Reasons.
asciilifeform: 'innovation'.
asciilifeform: or, sorry, 'ingenuity'. as in http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1770905 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 04:56 mircea_popescu: buffettism through and through, "Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?"
diana_coman: asciilifeform, lenins hiding in plain sight e.g. http://www.dianacoman.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Lenin-copy.jpg
diana_coman: see flag for big location clue
asciilifeform: the obvious flag
asciilifeform: ( belorussia )
asciilifeform: which yes iirc is the 'record holder' re lenins still standing
Covale`: their president also looks faboulous on a cup: https://calinhera.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cana-basescu-detaliu-e1438844802883.jpg
Covale`: and there´s a Lenin there too, on the left: https://calinhera.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cana-basescu1.jpg
asciilifeform: lol, next to.. what is that? barney ?
Covale`: no idea. but he´s in good company :)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in chinese plagiarisms, https://hk.saowen.com/a/9d756a6dbc463ecb1fef2d16f2299a6ee1acc8b22151900d44d3db846cbdb488
asciilifeform: (spoiler : ^ == ffa ch4 )
shinohai: lmao
lobbes: What, I wonder, is the point of such plagiarisms. The links still link to original item on Loper-os; who are they trying to fool? Googlebots mebbe?
asciilifeform: nfi
shinohai: I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese "Luckgoats" or something start showing up, some factory bought one of danielpbarron 's units on ebay and clones.
trinque: lobbes: yes, they crawl for "legitimate content" with good search ranking, steal, put ads next to it
phf: in further fare news, "SBCL 1.4.3 ships with ASDF 3.3.1, and a number of Quicklisp projects have build problems as a result. Linedit, mgl, micmac, cl-string-match, and others are affected."
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-08#1766817 << i've been using http://pelulamu.net/unscii/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-08 01:19 mircea_popescu: meh, too thin and sans.
phf: but unfortunately doesn't work (i've not tried the ttf one, but i suspect it'll render like shit) on those fancy high definition flat screens kids use these days
ben_vulpes: tranny has moved on to calling $work lines
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: lol! and said what ?
ben_vulpes: that i am a very shady character! and that i have a lot of venmo accounts! and that i have stolen cryptocurrencies ("of all things!") from innocent people!
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in photo- gadget- reviews : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-09#1767833 >>> became >>> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/seiko.jpg ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-09 20:29 asciilifeform: in other oldies, seiko's 'DPU414' thermal printer, can be had for <fiddybux, and not only prints 80cols x infinity (continuous tape) but knows how to eat rs232 and... print hexdump (up to 19200 baud)
shinohai: "Hi! I'm a mentally ill ex heroin user and tried to scam people out of Bitcoin by pretending to be a woman. Kthanx bye"
ben_vulpes: funniest thing to me is that the ask is for ~0.05 btc, which is what, just twice what real tits bring in these days?
asciilifeform: nifty little printer, except 1) the 'dip switches' are imaginary. instead it wastes 2 metres of paper on interactively querying you for config, when you want to reconfig it ( when new , pretty much , i dun see why ever a second time ) and 2) tear bar instead of cutter, is annoying imho.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: now this, this is madness. why stop at 5 bitcent ?!
trinque: because the point is stability of the tard's identity, and not the money
ben_vulpes: were i to venture a guess into what's going on in the addled mind it'd be that it thinks the sum is just right to dispatch an annoyance?
shinohai: ben_vulpes: related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l91ISfcuzDw
ben_vulpes: funny aside is that it claims i'm ignoring, when in point of fact the ignorance goes strictly the other direction
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771274 << tbh i kinda like those ;/ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 17:54 phf: http://www.plusxp.com/wp-content/uploads/jetpack1.jpg
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771282 << i liked the part where they misspelled "standart". clearly they understand correct republican misspellings. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 18:16 asciilifeform: stickers are for lamerz, they'll laser-engrave Whatever You Like (tm)
asciilifeform: lolnah that's just ordinary orcitude
asciilifeform: стандарт
phf: mircea_popescu: i don't mean the tiny little munchkins, but the goofy grin jetpack guy
mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771296 << they could always come back to the republic they failed to create back in 1960 when they should have, instead of dicking about mit as if mit is to fucking be a thing. there was no need of symbolics, nonsymbolics and other symbolics, there was need of tmsr. but... even extremely late is better than never. somewhat. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 18:25 asciilifeform: and on top of this, the folx 'put to pasture at nih' -- or at least the ones not yet senile -- i suspect at this point are ready to come back
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik sad old su emigres never had ~anything to do with '60s-80s mit
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771302 << i am quite persuaded by this view. what they disliked in bush maps exactly on what we dislike in obama and his herd of subhuman brown orcs ; and more generally what they disliked of hitler (incidentally -- also what they ended up copying of hitler) very much exactly maps on the whole substance of what we don't like in pantsuit. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 18:40 phf: nah, they "fought for freedom" such a long time, it'll literally kill them to admit mistake. what's left of that culture plays charades at roman toga theme new years parties in potomac and praises large kitchen, which is a step up from kitchens of 30 years ago
mircea_popescu: way of the world.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or anything else. at least the lost of symbolics era have something to point to. "omg i wrote emacs!!1" "it sucked" "yeah well."
shinohai: !!up BigTexasBingo
deedbot: BigTexasBingo voiced for 30 minutes.
BigTexasBingo: Ben_vulpes time is up, move yourself and those you love to an orcland
ben_vulpes: THO THCARED
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771304 << from my limited exposure is "we understands business" (which they don't) unlike those guys. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 18:44 phf: i wonder if current day ru even talks about "lost knowledge" LoTR style, or it's literally arab egyption "we're best of what could possibly be!1"
asciilifeform: luxor bizniss centre!111
mircea_popescu: something like that.
BigTexasBingo: Thing won't be able to follow you to a place where there's an established lesser role than he imagines for himself
mircea_popescu: somehow an intricate knowledge of usg tendril nonsense passes for "business knowledge" in moscow.
BigTexasBingo: Brb, hecho poopoo
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771448 << pretty useless for lcd yea ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 21:51 phf: but unfortunately doesn't work (i've not tried the ttf one, but i suspect it'll render like shit) on those fancy high definition flat screens kids use these days
asciilifeform: ( but would rock on a matrix printer... )
phf: works great on this x60 :D
asciilifeform: i gotta try it on x60 aha
asciilifeform: where incidentally yet another chinese battery lived for <6mo
phf: yeah, that battery is a joke, and it's the extended one (the one that sticks out of the frame, unlike the stock smaller one, that i can't seem to find anywhere)
asciilifeform: aha i never even touched the 'nonextended'
asciilifeform: pretty sure those existed strictly for showrooms
phf: it seems like if i'm going to be power tethered anyway, might as wel lhave a smaller battery purely to keep the ram warm in transport
asciilifeform: then can pull it out entirely neh
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: ( even the 'extended', when new, was good for ~3 days of warm ram )
phf: well, ups/suspend to ram
asciilifeform misses the seamless, no-misfires-ever bios-powered suspend-to-hdd of the toshiba 'libretto' box
asciilifeform: i think i went years on that thing without 1 full reboot
phf: i believe that in japan land they still have sane hardware produced like that, except they run windows on top of it. some bossman had ritual sake with bill gates (matching honor!) 40 years ago, and since then every japan machine has windows on it
phf: they tried re-negotiating, and couldn't understand what means "bill gates stepped down", tried asking to speak "to his honorable son"
mircea_popescu: bullshit ;/
asciilifeform: dafuq it even means, phf , 'sane hardware' and 'winblowz-only' in same sentence ?!
asciilifeform: is like 'delicious turd'
phf: libretto box was also microsoft machine
asciilifeform: 'healthy corpse'.
asciilifeform: libretto somehow had full docs publicly floating around for every single piece of silicon inside.
phf: that doesn't contradict anything i said
asciilifeform: this did not really properly vanish until 2000s.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
phf: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure how to evaluate authenticity of whimsy
mircea_popescu: im not disputing it, i'm just annoyed by the notion.
mircea_popescu: particularily because "probably true, and if not might've as well been."
phf: ah
ben_vulpes: eyyy, tranny got my personal number!
mircea_popescu: persistency is victory amirite.
ben_vulpes: nattered on to itself for 3 minutes uninterrupted; i think it found a supply of uppers
trinque: maybe just wants to be fwiends
ben_vulpes: just wants to pretend to relevance
shinohai: Hey ben_vulpes did it call from a blocked number?
ben_vulpes: shinohai: mhm
trinque: dem rst packets today
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771444 << 0, oddly enuff, ads ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 21:34 trinque: lobbes: yes, they crawl for "legitimate content" with good search ranking, steal, put ads next to it
asciilifeform: ( possibly only serves'em to chinese ips ? nfi )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771443 << i suspect that they would if there were any money in it ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 21:20 shinohai: I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese "Luckgoats" or something start showing up, some factory bought one of danielpbarron 's units on ebay and clones.
asciilifeform: schems have been posted for >year nao
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771445 << what i dun get, is why anybody puts up with the liquishit == fork asdf, send the french tard packing; bang! magick! no moar breakages ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 21:44 phf: in further fare news, "SBCL 1.4.3 ships with ASDF 3.3.1, and a number of Quicklisp projects have build problems as a result. Linedit, mgl, micmac, cl-string-match, and others are affected."
asciilifeform: phf: re suspend-to-ram -- 1 of the things i still dunget, is why there isn't simply a compartment for sd card in the back of the box ( any of'em, old or new ). let's say after lid closed for 10min, it'd write the ram to the sd. if battery alive -- does nothing. but if dies, then when dc plug reinserted, load back from sd.
asciilifeform: this'd be quite trivial to implement, but afaik nobody has.
asciilifeform: ( why no one has ? because , elementarily , lemon market. )
asciilifeform: ... or use libretto system ( lid-close triggers suspend-to-ram; power button -- suspend to hdd )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-16#1771521 << did any of it make sense ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-16 22:48 ben_vulpes: nattered on to itself for 3 minutes uninterrupted; i think it found a supply of uppers
asciilifeform: g
asciilifeform: err
asciilifeform: nm wrong term
ben_vulpes: threats of "grand larceny", misc. "facts about you" that were categorically wrong (eg city of residence, number and ages of children)
ben_vulpes: demands for "our cryptocurrency!"
asciilifeform: pretty great
ben_vulpes: wrong in that wildly out of date
ben_vulpes: oh i forgot the best part, that "he has me cornered"
ben_vulpes: various oldcorp buddies are playing along "yeah i hate that fuckface too, how do i ruin his rep" for lulztraction
asciilifeform: meanwhile in entomology dept, https://www.openssl.org/blog/blog/2018/01/10/levchin << 'Today I have had great pleasure in attending the Real World Crypto 2018 conference in Zürich in order to receive the Levchin prize on behalf of the OpenSSL team. The Levchin prize for Real World Cryptography recognises up to two groups or individuals each year who have made significant advances in the practice of cryptography and its use in real-w
asciilifeform: orld systems. This year one of the two recipients is the OpenSSL team. The other recipient is Hugo Krawczyk.'
asciilifeform: didjaknow!
asciilifeform: i had nfi there were an nsa prize for 'top useful idjit'
asciilifeform: publicly bestowed, no less
asciilifeform: the ssl derps i'll leave without comment. but the other great hero : 'Over the last 20+ years, Hugo contributed to Internet standards from the early days of IPsec and IKE to the current work on revamping the security of TLS for its "next generation" version, TLS 1.3. He is also a co-designer of HMAC, the widely used message authentication and pseudo-random function. More recently, he designed HKDF, an HMAC-based key derivation functi
asciilifeform: on that is becoming a standard for key derivation and already included in protocols such as TLS 1.3, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger and more.' ( https://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view.php?person=us-hugokraw )
asciilifeform: ftr.
shinohai: They got an award for making this, we should keep using it!!!!!
asciilifeform: betcha the boecks, the moxies, are green with envy
asciilifeform: ('where is ours!')
mircea_popescu: hey, they naive belief of the enemy that strutting somehow benefits it is rather productive.
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine it'll long last, either, so enjoy it while you have it i guess.
asciilifeform: afaik it's new
asciilifeform: previously they did the sensible thing, for rats : stayed under the floorboards
mircea_popescu: somethinglikethat.
ben_vulpes: !!up btcvixen
deedbot: btcvixen voiced for 30 minutes.
ben_vulpes: ey is it you that's been calling my folks?
ben_vulpes: we've had a good laugh at it