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diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-29#1958594 - ahaha, this sounds so much ~Apoi drumeţul se întoarse acasă şi petrecu lângă ai săi, pe cari-i socoti mai cu duh decât pe cei ce văzuse în călătoria sa.
diana_coman: the thing with the AI/automated generation was initially that "can't beat human at this sort of task" iirc.
diana_coman: that yes, I do; though I am partial to an sukhoi more than to an AI because at least it's a concrete beast I guess.
mircea_popescu: do you see the argument that "an sukhoi" is worth exactly the same as "an ai", in the sense that they're the ash of a cigar someone else smoked, the marblecake of an anal cavity someone else fucked, and, to quote the quite prophetic mr mel again, what's the point of a program that can't rewrite its own code ?
diana_coman: what, for buying an AI system that is "very powerful" when ran through the proprietary bundle & otherwise unclear what it does?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in keks, https://www.technologyreview.com/s/614842/china-us-ai-military-spending/
mircea_popescu: "Entraînée par la foule qui s'élance et qui danse, une folle farandole, je suis emportée au loin et je crispe mes poings, maudissant la foule qui me vole l'homme qu'elle m'avait donné et que je n'ai jamais retrouvé..."
mircea_popescu: "Zici ca de m-ai fi cerut mamei tale nora-n casa, n-as fi vrut sa merg? E, lasa! Ca de-o fata cui-i pasa, nu se ia dupa parut! De-ntrebai, ai fi vazut!"
mp_en_viaje: you never use that thing like the "critics" use it. yes, sure, it fouls lots at the range.
asciilifeform: internal usg turf war. google-crapple-et-al miffed that some trickle from printing press still went to the 90yo's at mit 'ai lab' .
mircea_popescu: this augments the ai with human mind, but then again also limits it -- you won't find what you didn't put in.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, something complex, involving linkage and actual attempts at "ai" sesne-making... well
asciilifeform: grudgingly i built in utf8 so that can say кто ты по жизни and τὰ γὰρ ὀψώνια τῆς ἁμαρτίας θάνατος etc. but , for all that has been said re utf8, it is at least supported by postgres . whereas i am not about to spend rest of life trying to write 'dwim ai' to eat erry possible microshit encoding that someone may have at whatever point excreted .
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 07:12:56 mp_en_viaje: in other news, holy shit spyked that daimon carcass is sad. whole thing fucking became an epitaph of derealisation. "gândește-te așa: dacă azi ai asculta Mafia pentru prima dată, te-ar impresiona atât de tare încât te-ai duce la un al doilea concert?" ; "mă simt oarecum … scos din schemă. Watching from afar, vorba francezilor. Zbaterile locale devin maxim amuzante. Vin firme noi pe piața din Timișoar
mp_en_viaje: in other news, holy shit spyked that daimon carcass is sad. whole thing fucking became an epitaph of derealisation. "gândește-te așa: dacă azi ai asculta Mafia pentru prima dată, te-ar impresiona atât de tare încât te-ai duce la un al doilea concert?" ; "mă simt oarecum … scos din schemă. Watching from afar, vorba francezilor. Zbaterile locale devin maxim amuzante. Vin firme noi pe piața din Timișoara, îmi inundă inboxul pe Linked
asciilifeform: ave1: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/ai-repository/ai/html/cltl/cltl2.html full text.
deedbot: diana_coman rated zmk -5 << Bubico Garson (eu l-am aruncat, manca-i-ai coada!).
spyked: re. ai/ml, supposedly google uses that (and it also crawls trilema.com), but it's useless most of the time. i recall wasting hours finding some particular piece via google, then discovering it by manually crawling or via logs
mp_en_viaje: in short, i believe the ai-childrens' books are already written, just about. now if someone could just please get pregnant with an ai and deliver it to some sort of term, why... that'd be tits.
mp_en_viaje: similar datasets might of course be constructed deliberately ("take all research paper in x field organized by etvos number or refcount or some metric"), but then they are... wrong! you end up constructing a dataset on some kind or manner of "global warming", which makes it exactly like "vampire fiction" or any other popcultural category, an exercise in kitsch fiction, meaning your ai will not work, for f ☝︎
mp_en_viaje: upon meditation, i do not believe there exists throughout the history of human culture a better dataset to train "ai"/"machine learning" upon.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, 1998 google worked because early version of "ai plays go", their pr thing where you iterate the links over a net, thing converges to values.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-06-27#1920398 << and people read them, and sent observations in, and oft got responses. the one thing uniting http://trilema.com/2017/my-three-days-of-ai/#selection-8873.126-8873.288 and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-22#1741883 is this culture of cluefulness. ☝︎☝︎
mp_en_viaje: all these faggotty fuckfaces in skinny suits, no doubt "software engineers with ai experience" spreading their awareness & concern on subjects and topics on reddit & shithut
diana_coman: how was it, "vin ai nostri, pleac-ai nostri, noi ramanem tot ca prostii"
mircea_popescu: https://hunters.ai/company/ << lulz of all fucking time, the timeline of decay.
mircea_popescu: and the final item in today's lengthy list of "how the other half lives" : "Hunters.AI generates and delivers actionable visualized attack stories". nuff said.
mircea_popescu: anyways, so having unsubstantiably chosen to make the box a phone, now we gotta pick a ubuntu. leaving aside the "manuals" and "with luck everything will just work" lulzies ("Achieve your AI ambitions quickly, reliably and cost-effectively. Multi-cloud operations for the full enterprise AI stack "), the choice comes between
asciilifeform: even has 'ai'-flavoured crackpot rant : 'automated system for producing inventions with aid of computer'.
asciilifeform: [http://www.55522.ru/][even has 'ai'-flavoured crackpot rant.' 'automated system for producing inventions with aid of computer'.
asciilifeform: evidently people wrote elementary 'ai' to do arithmetics.
mp_en_viaje: here, have some more : Un martor de față descrie astfel răzbunarea românilor asupra bieților locuitori ai Rusciucului: „Multă jale se făcu în ziua aceea și plângerile se înălțau până la ceruri. Toți s-au încărcat cu avere din destul, robi și roabe și-au luat cu prisos; nimica n-a scăpat din mâna lor. Gingașele turcoaice mult răsfățate, ce stau în veci închise, să le fi văzut atunci goale, desculțe, tăvălindu-se î
a111: Logged on 2019-05-20 14:51 asciilifeform: i suspect that mp_en_viaje is right, and even the 'ai beautifier' thing is redundant, all the machine needs to do is to work like the mirror in brothers grimm, whisper 'you are the fairest of them all' to the sow, will suffice.
asciilifeform: i suspect that mp_en_viaje is right, and even the 'ai beautifier' thing is redundant, all the machine needs to do is to work like the mirror in brothers grimm, whisper 'you are the fairest of them all' to the sow, will suffice. ☟︎
diana_coman: myeah, I can see it; "ai and science sez it".
mp_en_viaje: "making improvements" on http://trilema.com/2019/diviziuna-sexual-a-muncii-fetele-la-gym-io-la-vidya-%d0%9a%d0%b0%d0%ba-tot-acolo/#comment-129134 ; much stronger claim of representativity if "made by ai" than if "found on net"
amberglint: by the way, there was a bit of info about the last Symbolics CPU in the 2004 AI Memo by Shrobe
asciilifeform: subj, ftr
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 12:21 mircea_popescu: russian, chinese, qatari, in the end there's no such thing as nationality. burta ai, minte ce-ti mai trebuie.
mircea_popescu: russian, chinese, qatari, in the end there's no such thing as nationality. burta ai, minte ce-ti mai trebuie. ☟︎
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/google-gives-up-on-assembling-ai-ethics-panel-over-irreconcilable-political-differences/ << Qntra -- Google Gives Up On Assembling AI Ethics Panel Over Irreconcilable Political Differences
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/#selection-211.0-223.0
diana_coman: ladire, pentru care ai varsat sume colosale si unde ai sa cheltuiesti anual paragrafe anume? Nu-ti ramane alta decat sa faci macar politica."
mircea_popescu: in fact, there's a long line of illustrious ancestors who, having spotted this problem (wtf is foo ?!) attempted to solve it ~the very wrong way~, ie, by definition. hence not just ai winter, but microscopically naggum's sgi misadventures and so on.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 01:18 mircea_popescu: "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
mircea_popescu: "set an env variable" not quite the last word in terms of http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/#selection-231.1-231.42 "technololols"
a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 17:10 mircea_popescu: (that article, btw, remarkable because i told ro bezos "Si, draga Varanule, nu-i clar ca mai ai cinci ani" ie, "dear reptile, it's not clear you have five years left" in 2012 -- by 2014 he was in jail. because hey, mp is right now and again accidentally which is to say 1024/1024 occurences on his blog etc etc)
mircea_popescu: and today being january, let us celebrate the SECOND year yossi kreinin failed to engage the utter destruction of his inept nonsense found in http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/
mircea_popescu: (that article, btw, remarkable because i told ro bezos "Si, draga Varanule, nu-i clar ca mai ai cinci ani" ie, "dear reptile, it's not clear you have five years left" in 2012 -- by 2014 he was in jail. because hey, mp is right now and again accidentally which is to say 1024/1024 occurences on his blog etc etc) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: in that they're (as you well poined out) readily equivalent to "ai", they don't ~have to~ see a face.
asciilifeform: let'em 'ai' or whatever. haruspicy. necromancy.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/ << Trilema -- What is meant by AI ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2019/what-is-meant-by-ai/ 'ere you go.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-mulling-90s-crypto-style-export-controls-on-ai-technology/ << Qntra -- USG Mulling 90's Crypto Style Export Controls On "AI Technology"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they had 'porn purge' powered by that 'ai', the one which picks up lolcats as cunt etc
mircea_popescu: diana_coman and yet google "built ai" which "won at go".
mircea_popescu: "ai", rite. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-01#1708869 ☝︎
ben_vulpes: random return of db contents sorta related to what one asked for not so readily distinguishable from ai engagement-driving recommendations. toddlers put stuff in their mouths to figure out wtf it is, news at at eleven.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/12/tumblr-announces-porn-ban-beginning-december-17th-tumblr-anti-porn-ai-already-running-wild/ << Qntra -- Tumblr Announces Porn Ban Beginning December 17th, Tumblr Anti-Porn AI Already Running Wild
amberglint: Tom Knight still has some schematics for AI Lab's modified PDP-10 and his graphical terminal
asciilifeform: and even nao that we have a 'the net' that consists to five-nines % of elizas and meat-elizas, even now one will still find the story in schoolbooks as 'great advance of ai' rather than 'great fathom of the sheer depth of meat puppet idjicy'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, do you see how this relates to the ia/ai discussion ?
a111: Logged on 2017-07-23 19:38 mircea_popescu: (for the record -- while i do believe that IA (as opposed to ai bullcrap) is both perfectly achievable, in many ways achieved, and the ~only reasonable use of the machine in the first place ; i nevertheless think the problem is catastrophically ill posed in the "you know, like bullzoder" sense. yes there was such an application for digital computers, it is called "the numeric method" and still not widely deployed notwithstand
mircea_popescu: though our constraint is narrower than "not admit factors", but if you do the whole thing in modulo-ai+bi...
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-16#1841997 << the otherwise-invisible failure to implement anything even approaching intelligence augmentation (or even the statistical AI crap) is never so obvious as when translating works in other languages on the touchscreendevices: why does 'iBooks' waste all of this time animating between the french and english translations of the book i'm working on; how is there after ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 23:09 mircea_popescu: "ia, not ai."
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:54 mircea_popescu: nevertheless, fwih lisp is exactly ideal for this sort of tokenize-and-replace job. cuz ai and everything right ?
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837152 <-- ohhh yeah, /me remembers the three days of ai megapiece. I'll put this in teh queue. even a simple heuristic, e.g. ranking entries by number of matching words and displaying the one with the highest score, would be better than current dumb search. seems like a good middle point between exact matching and "statistical learning". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, fwih lisp is exactly ideal for this sort of tokenize-and-replace job. cuz ai and everything right ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: right, because why am i paying the same % whether i wrote a hello world on top of their allegro or an ai.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/another-case-of-human-labor-masquerading-as-ai-exposed/ << Qntra - Another Case Of Human Labor Masquerading As AI Exposed
mircea_popescu: "Hermeneutics, a branch of continental European philosophy concerned with human understanding and the interpretation of written texts, offers insights that may contribute to the understanding of meaning, translation, architectures for natural language understanding, and even to the methods suitable for scientific inquiry in AI. After briefly reviewing the historical development of hermeneutics as a method of interpretation, t
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-06-22#1828521 << https://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/6438 john c mallery (for log readers, current symbolics copyright hoarder) and his main contribution to ai memos ☝︎
Mocky: my lisp/ai teacher's first and last names were anagrams, and i *never* believed that was his real name. super weird, long white hair. craig graci
Mocky: not finish, but did actually take a stab at some ro articles, via google translate. ha ha so much for google's ai, translate's not worth a damn
mircea_popescu: "ia, not ai." ☟︎
Mocky: yeah he sounded so smart and clear thinking, but in the end ,spoiler alert, cryogenics and save the world from evil ai, wtf!
mircea_popescu: you don't put an anti-prng in the fg. why should any of the ai people put an anti-mit or a f(mit) however defined in their behaviour ?
pete_dushenski: just finished reading "NYT #1" (aren't they all) book by yuval harari - homo deus - in which this ~historian~ goes on and on about ai taking ur jerbs, magick biotech pills that will turn us into supermen, and other technodystopianist nonsense. had dude shut up after first 2/3rds of the book and stuck with the history of human technological progress
mircea_popescu: for the same money, wella extended its commitment to #AI with the announcement of two dozen new blonde hair dyes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, emc, ie "We have extended our commitment to #AI with the announcement of two new 4-socket servers, the PowerEdge R840 and the PowerEdge R940xa. Explore " ?
gabriel_laddel: But adali? BB? The old ex-mit-ai-lab guy I met who now just tutors kids in math & DOESNT EVEN TEACH THEM LISP?! Or the other ex-symbolics people?
gabriel_laddel: fuck patience. That attitude is why we don't have one now. If people had just generally been less of a bunch of complete girly-men at symbolics, or the MIT AI lab, or Franz, or or or we'd have something that's close enough to "troo lispm" for me, even if ascii would be unhappy about it.
mircea_popescu: very fucking totally "girl", ty wikipedia, merriam-webster and indistinct jumble of entirely unrelated messes. AI PREVAILS!
mircea_popescu: and in further ai lulz, https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZisI2p_1xUR_19DlHwJnT0L_1Jcz3NLVMmQtJ3lUFkMeRIXF3BzZK-KmjBXXjqw9oxlUP7etH2IhGTaQtS-AodWDbe4itMmHc6wRfikU3LJTW5sVQ0wk-lpnU7-Wx_1PD0JcnbQHooBzm6ANzy4AY_1JU6VqnUq02l8y3or5oBZforK340aqIZlqsyA-rxmsxWrpJv4qWD34BoZYWirTzhpj_15k9qSQm1HqCxIk8GfgEYPsU3FMG0uQHcc3H-A4iGjDa_1K3uBF4tj7oTixZFoa3IlJBWNjxhU5KK4IQhmb1voc--YI1JJFGNxc-Kl4_1TQJlqcCkapnP11KseH91QVl9saKKswa1Tvjg&btnG
mircea_popescu: so i close the whore programme just in time for asciilifeform to open the ai programme...
mircea_popescu: anuyway, i can see the angle ; but it's one of those cases where ai is much cheaper than just letting the person make the settings.
mircea_popescu: so the good talk therapist would point out to the person interested in this particular magic pill exactly what he'd say to the "i want ai because i don't have a gf" nut : "have you tried the NATURALLY OCCURING solutions first ?"
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should have used minsky instead, sussman is a) still extant and b) kinda moved away from ai in the idyllic sense towards more practical applications IE SOLD OUT!
mircea_popescu: had sussman known how to make an ai in the first place.
mircea_popescu: by now this is an epic machine, are you kidding me, all sussman would have needed to make an ai
mircea_popescu: it's just... jesus christ i am at a loss to comprehend what the problems involved are. fuck me, i'm working on an ai sex bot to fetlife ? really ?
mircea_popescu: and so you check the dood's bio, and "I currently work at Ozlo, where we’re building an AI-powered digital assistant. Previously, I worked at Firebase, a scalable realtime application backend. Before that, I worked on a wide range of experimental projects to improve the web at Mozilla Labs."
mp_en_viaje: who knows, maybe gnat even turns out to have ai.
phf: scheme-79 is not "whole thing published", which is something that i said in the logs multiple times also. there's AI memoes of variying detali, but the actual toolset, something called daedalus, and the corresponding daedalus files that actually describe the chip, are nowhere to be found. also dies will not be particularly interesting because the whole point of daedalus was semi assisted layout
fromloper: Mallery's project at MIT: http://www.ai.mit.edu/projects/iiip/home-page.html
fromloper: https://blog.h2o.ai/2008/11/a-brief-conversation-with-david-moon/
asciilifeform: it's the wolframalpha problem -- doing a proper job is ai-complete. so attempting the job at all results in a duct tape perlism that 'works on a good day', when the wind is just-so
organdnor: the ai theory
organdnor: which is strange but im looking for AI contact or some such science fiction malarkey. is vexual code or flesh?