mp_en_viaje: keks. remember back when flying a flag meant something ? back in the days of
richard cobden an' the 4 night parliament debate on the 2nd opium war ?
mp_en_viaje: "You're thinking, "I don't want to hear about how everything is interpretable through the artificial paradigm of narrative structure--" as if it was me and not your god who made it this way, as if I was better able to invent a convenient fiction that happened to apply to you rather than describe a process that's been used for millennia. You think you're the first? You think no one but you has lived your life? Do you think you are so unique? Do you t
mp_en_viaje: hink I just took a guess? This isn't the first time this game has been played, there've been over 100 generations of Guess What Happens Next and it is the exact same answer every single time. All of this has happened before and it will happen again."
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: nfi how she escaped the normal fate of these, but anyways.
mp_en_viaje: y discussion ; though im pretty sure i've used other reference points in discussions where this'd have workded better.
mp_en_viaje: what the fujck will i do with this disaster, the constant problem of "
fuck me, now i can't find it" is one part ; the other part's that well... even when i think i know exactly what i want, an ever growing possibility is that in fact i don't, there's a better option i'm just not thinking of.
mp_en_viaje: if only there were somehow possible to make a trilema compiler, that'd then shit out the AST for it...
☟︎ mp_en_viaje: upon meditation, i do not believe there exists throughout the history of human culture a better dataset to train "ai"/"machine learning" upon.
mp_en_viaje: for one thing, the sheer volume -- larger things can be collected, but then they'd have to be of much lower coherence, something like "the gutenberg database of english literature" ; while similarily coherent things also exist (tho i'd argue it's still a "5, 3, 7, 2 and 4 are similar to 179" sort of similarity) but then they'd have to be much, much tinier.
mp_en_viaje: but for the other, infinitely more important point -- of structure. this is natively digital, it wasn't digitized, it never existed in any other form. this shows, and not just because it links itself and it footnotes itself and structures itself deliberately in countless ways.
mp_en_viaje: similar datasets might of course be constructed deliberately ("take all research paper in x field organized by etvos number or refcount or some metric"), but then they are... wrong! you end up constructing a dataset on some kind or manner of "global warming", which makes it exactly like "vampire fiction" or any other popcultural category, an exercise in kitsch fiction, meaning your ai
will not work, for f
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-15 17:41 asciilifeform: ( if you have ~any correlation in the independent bitstreams , you won't converge . the academiderps tried to get around this by using constructed prng's, had the expected result -- buncha dead trees and 0 working devices )
mp_en_viaje: in short, i believe the ai-childrens' books are already written, just about. now if someone could just please get pregnant with an ai and deliver it to some sort of term, why... that'd be tits.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in imperial news, i was re-reading 2016 and holy hell do three years make it obvious : the empire drones have optimized computing into "computing", whith a very obvious end goal of... making up more jobs!
mp_en_viaje: or rather, it's the ~only possible future~ for the "workman" of marx and ziggler, sure as fuck the republic ain't about to give them "jobs" to "write about immigration".
mp_en_viaje: JIT stack over here at the republican forum! now all you gotta do is orchestrate it!
mp_en_viaje: "so what do you do about foreign relations ?" "we hestrate orcs"
a111: Logged on 2019-07-11 14:19 diana_coman: ben_vulpes can I have #ossasepia logged too please?
diana_coman: might as well use my local log and publish it on my blog ?
mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
☟︎ spyked: mp_en_viaje, diana_coman: from my side, the infrastructure isn't ready, that is, the www server and possibly other pieces that I don't know about yet
spyked: granted, I never set out to publish a logger www, but given the constant need and lack, I'll add it to my list
spyked: initial item that sent me out on wwwistics was the image pastebin that mp_en_viaje suggested
diana_coman: spyked: but you have something working, namely whatever you are using for #eulora logs, right? why not publish that?
mp_en_viaje: it's one thing to "not want to publish your code" ; not particularly respectable, at all, but whatever. if you do that, however, YOU MUST PROVIDE THE SERVICE. if you don't publish the code (even by the very modest yet perfectly acceptable standard of shipping an encrypted bundle to the asking lord) and you don't provide the service, then what the fuck are you doing ?
mp_en_viaje: if i have a lord on the record asking for service TWO WEEKS AGO and bupkiss, what am i supposed to do ? tell them "sorry, this is the republic we don't have fish at..." like in the old joke ?!
mp_en_viaje: irrespective of what "i am supposed to do", what i'm going to do is this : ima give everyone a ~short~ interval to bring their log stacks up to speed, meaning ~absolutely~ a complete and ready to use v-tree (even if it's just one genesis, like idiots) that they can send any asking lord -- and i don't give a flying fuck how "proud" you are of the code you're using, you're what you do not what you say, or what you imagine yourself you wish to be. that
mp_en_viaje: code you are in fact using, that is who you ARE, stop pretending.
mp_en_viaje: i guess ~optionally~ next-day service for any asking lord, in lieu of actual publishing -- which is a cop-out i will close my eyes upon for a limited time in the future. but in general, if you're not willing to share code within the l1, you have no business here at all.
mp_en_viaje: after which ima simply start banning loggers in channel ; and i'll have a very dim oppinion of everyone involved -- for very good cause! ; and i guess then have someone else make a proper logger, which will become mandatory because i'm not authorizing new ones until the old one fucks up.
mp_en_viaje: wth is this bullshit, anyway! left to own devices how about we just driftwood forever into nothingness! when i discovered a problem with mp-wp, at night in fucking minsk, i was also ~publishing~ a solution the next fucking morning, what the everloving fuck already.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 07:59 mp_en_viaje: if only there were somehow possible to make a trilema compiler, that'd then shit out the AST for it...
spyked: re. ai/ml, supposedly google uses that (and it also crawls trilema.com), but it's useless most of the time. i recall wasting hours finding some particular piece via google, then discovering it by manually crawling or via logs
mp_en_viaje: i believe google stopped trying cca 2005-2007 or so.
mp_en_viaje: started all sorts of "side projects" ridiculousness, from hangouts or w/e to the above mentioned "gifee"
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 08:45 mp_en_viaje: is the situation basically that neither phf nor framedragger ever published anything, while ben_vulpes has a logger that's... was it published or not ? i recall joint publishing a bot with trinque, that's lacking what, web bindings ? and then spyked was working on one that's not ready and lobbes has one but he never published code ?
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 23:08 asciilifeform: if these were available, could stand up a logger in 10min or so..
mp_en_viaje: ok but that was the bot, iirc the view was "skeleton bot", not even logger specifically
mp_en_viaje: i recall there was a lisp bot, and yes then it got a logger appliance. that this is therefore "the logger" rather than the bot... i suppose we're discussing nominalisms
mp_en_viaje: it ~occurs to me~ however, that some trivial glue would readily turn a db pre-populated by this logbot into mp-wp pages.
mp_en_viaje: which it aint ? i got a link into the db via cmdline, why would i implement it via web ?
mp_en_viaje: mp-wp entirely exists as "this thing that displays a database" thing. if you already have a thing that feeds a database, and miss athing that displays it, then mp=wp very well could be it.
mp_en_viaje: really all you need is per-day search ; after that the... selection mechanism, lol! takes care of you
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, how appealing does the following sound to you : 1. run an instance of logbot, feeding the log into your mp-wp db, so that each day is publishd as a new post ; 2. have a special category for these, such as "logs" or w/e ; add a special search page, such that if one introduces a term is fed a list of days that include it, with the term preselected in the page by url.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: hm, it would even make sense to publish on the younghands.club thing, classroom discussion
mp_en_viaje: can obviously be selective, #ossasepia there, that here, whatevers.
diana_coman: well, not like one can't replicate then for any number of channels for that matter (different category each in the db or whatevers)
mp_en_viaje: well, diff db as the case may be. you're running the youngthing off same db ?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: same db as what? the youngthing is on pizarro's shared stuff; my blog is on my rockchip so separate
mp_en_viaje: so then to publish on youngthings.club the bot gotta insert into that db ; to publish on your blog, other db.
diana_coman: ah, yes, certainly; I meant : if one wants several logs published on the same blog (why not, after all, not as if it can't make sense)
mp_en_viaje: of course, iirc logbot worked off postgres ?
diana_coman: myeah, this is what I was trying to look up because iirc it IS postgres
diana_coman: so uhm, basically it has to be a different mp-wp installation for logtron specifically?
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, alternatively, you set up a mp-wp on postgres.
mp_en_viaje: ~alternatively~, you write a glue api, taking things from logbot and putting it on your blog. may sound like a bad idea in this narrow context, but perhaps having a blog universal interfacer isn't a terrible idea, seeing how
maybe theres more usecases.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-07-20 19:48 diana_coman: another can of worms
diana_coman: sigh; I'll have to look at it in more detail one of those days, yes.
mp_en_viaje: there possibly exists something in english outside of rewritting the republic, but i'll be damned if i know where to find it.
diana_coman: rewritting the appearance and carefully not mentioning anything because "it's too much to dive in"
a111: Logged on 2017-08-14 18:53 asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg.prb folx claiming they will soon 'broadcast blocks from satellite', 'use prb without internet!111' -- leveraging the orbit monopoly to diddle 'these blox, mined by us, legal, other, terrorist blox -- orphans nao'
a111: Logged on 2017-08-15 16:23 shinohai: Charlie Shrem on twatter: "Bounty: I want to run a full node and connect to @Blockstream satellite. Sell me a DIY kit with all requirements"
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Figured it had to be either a Kibbutz or the German apology Kibbutzing
BingoBoingo: I know it's been talked about in chan here. The naked kids 24/7 in some effort to de-sex nudity and give them all panty fetishes like the post WWII Japs
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, possibly the sarisuit revolution!
deedbot: lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
a111: Logged on 2019-07-22 08:56 diana_coman: uhm, lobbes ^
a111: Logged on 2019-07-11 16:19 lobbes_field: Relatedly, I'm thinking that once I produce the mod_lisp vpatch, I may just leave the rest of the cl-www project to spyked, while I instead work on a 'python/php www kit.
lobbes_field: And seeing as how there is an ever mounting need for logotronics these days, I'm going to bump those items up to #1 on my list.
lobbes_field: For context, I've had a dysfunctional (as in, the buck never stops) relationship with this girl for ~8 yrs. It is a major obstacle to my simply being able to think. I.e. my private and public spheres are not aligned... at all.
lobbes_field: It is my fault for simply being born with head cockroaches and failing to communicate at various levels (that trope again). Still, it has to be addressed. But you know how these things go; it takes time and attention to properly address
lobbes_field: I may fall out of the L1 while addressing, but one thing is sure: I will absolutely fall out of the L1 if I don't. Hallucinated choice is no choice. But for now, the $saltimes call. Bbl
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, you'll live. anyway, get that thing published so others can patch on it and thus lighten your own workload!
☟︎ Mocky: lobbes if you want to relocate 3 hours east, 90% chance I can get you a job in Ral, I have a spare room you can stay in while you look for a place, ditch the dysfunction, we'll find new girls
☟︎ Mocky: for you and get you a fresh start
deedbot: shrysr voiced for 30 minutes.
mp_en_viaje: i got a trackback, first thoguht wtf is this spam (cuz you know, weird literal strings), then "holy shit wut is that url structure". had a 0.3 seconds of mental chaos.
mp_en_viaje is now setting aside reading bimbo's blog for whic hhe had set aside reading tlp bundle to read indian fella.
mp_en_viaje: hopefully these stop closing before i drown!
mp_en_viaje: "13. Improved happiness and content levels by increased engagement with brilliant people ?" << adorbs.
mp_en_viaje: hey shrysr what's it like where you live ?
mp_en_viaje: sounds a little... how shall we put this. oppressed.
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: heyy.. thanks for the 'voice'... though i'm not really sure right now what that means.
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: whats it like.... hmm.... i usually say that I am ok anywhere with reasonable internet and of course a computer. For most other outsiders- its probably close to unbearable
shrysr: asciilifeform: :D pessimistic ! lol.
shrysr: mp_en_viaje: that link is because of my export from emacs org-mode to markdown, which was then copied into WP
shrysr: i will setup direct publishing... and it shd be much better then. i live in a town called sundre, in Alberta. about an hour from the city calgary which I;'ve never been to
shrysr: I'm a mechanical engg, by education (masters). My first 'love' was computational fluid dynamics (CFD), which is essentially simulating fluid flow on (usually) distributed computing clusters. i was into simulation driven design. Total work exp around 6 years. Spent the first 3 with a pump company in R&D doing CFD and hydraulic design.... it wasnt enough. Shifted out to 'applications engg' or technical sales
shrysr: with a combustion equipment mftr for 2 years...wasn't enough... migrated to canada. Spent a year desperately 'looking for a job'. Decided to start prep to switch into data science at this point....