mircea_popescu: dude, why is every little thing such a fucking uphill struggle with you. suppose you wish to see if x is coprime with the number 2. you run gcd (x, 2). suppose then you wish to also see if x is coprime with the number 3. you run gcd(x, 3). all this is EXACTLY EQUIVALENT to running gcd (x, 6) : if this returns 2, it was not coprime with 2, and if it returns 3, it was not coprime with 3.
mircea_popescu: since your best gcd algo seems to be one that expects x and 6 be same bitness, there's nothing wrong with making a buncha prefab such products-of-primes.
mircea_popescu: the whole discussion was re daykin, specifically that for our particular usecase, it's not the end of the world that it wants "napkin numbers" : we enjopy the luxury whereby we can construct them to measure.
mircea_popescu: possibly. that's not clear, nor was it ever discussed before now. it MAY BE that a dozen calls of gdc-daykin(x, daykin-primorial) are in fact cheaper than 1 call to gdc-stein(x, primorial(currentwidth)).
mircea_popescu: the "unknown integer" being tested IS ALWAYS 2048 BITS.
mircea_popescu: cuz im not going to have non-2048 factors in my 4086 bit rsa key, wtf.
mircea_popescu: i thought this entire discussion was a) specifiucally as to daykin (not to stein) and b) specifically as to primegen for rsa secret key baking, (not "in general math functions).
mircea_popescu: otherwise, i guess daykin gcd can exist as a class, native or extended, w/e.
mircea_popescu: nobody is going to hate your ffa if it includes montgomery, with the proper warning.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (whole thing already comes with a "nozero" rule anyways)
mircea_popescu: i don't get it how you expect to multiply some value by a (product of primes +1) and not get an even number.
a111: Logged on 2017-10-07 21:48 apeloyee:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1721485 << alternatively, can *construct* numbers which don't have very small factors. pick a nonzero remainder mod 2, mod 3, ... mod largest-prime-fit-in-your-primorial and find what number of primorial is congruent to it using chinese remainder theorem
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 00:08 mircea_popescu: nobody is going to hate your ffa if it includes montgomery, with the proper warning.
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you barfed ; but i barfed because it's fucking stupid, you lose a lot of variety in your primes for no gains worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: and i meant include barret ~as an optional~, like a callable function.
mircea_popescu: since you're doing this "general purpose", there's no crime if user can call montgomery.
mircea_popescu: anyway, nothing wrong with that ffa design choice, if you like it ; if you don't anymore, also not the end of world.
mircea_popescu: just note that eucrypt having rsa does in no manner hurt your serpent-only-phonecrypto putative app ; just like it having serpent dun hurt a "this is my pgp implementation" usecase, and so on.
mircea_popescu: libraries, definitionally, contain functionality some end users won't use.
mircea_popescu: what fucking them. the ~pretense~ is entirely based on cheapness. no cheapness, no pretense.
mircea_popescu: same exact reason preteen boys don't discuss their "sexual conquests" within hearshot of adult woman.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-03 19:24 stratum: Right now, for the billions, I think it is probably better than nothing, just like easily popped household locks.
mircea_popescu: closer to southern france resistence to growing crown than anything in the derp vein, but why not./
Mocky: I just hit double digit grand kids
Mocky: and number 11 is in the oven
Mocky: to bring it full circle, I saw one of my grandsons yesterday watching a cartoon about how helpful raccoons are for eating trash so less waste goes to the land fill, and how clean and friendly they are
☟︎ Mocky: was hoping to see a russian d00d shoot at them from a window, but no, instead the raccoons went down to the creek after dinner to wash their paws
BingoBoingo: If only there were a way to get the locals to put the reject trash back in the dumpster when they finish mining
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 03:35 Mocky: to bring it full circle, I saw one of my grandsons yesterday watching a cartoon about how helpful raccoons are for eating trash so less waste goes to the land fill, and how clean and friendly they are
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, as you have observe the local trash digging critters here in the Oriental Republic are more skittish than the panda vermin.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:32 mircea_popescu: ave1 is, i suspect, silently working on gnating things -- which is fine and valuable except for the silently part. there's this tendency of lone wolf scientist to not properly report failures, out of an imaginary saving of time and resources this permits. it must be said that NOTHING could be further from the truth, nothing at all -- there's more to be gained from a properly reported failure to find than out of ten shiny succ
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ave1: well arm part works, but I wanted to do some more experimenting with how the call the asm, as register allocation cannot be specified in GNAT
☟︎ ave1: adding register allocation to gcc turned out to be too gnarly for this round
ave1: other thing is the ebuild script for gnat
mircea_popescu: it is ~very~ useful to explain how things like this blew up, in writing. both for others today and for you tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: i know it seems like a waste of time on the spot, the first time.
ave1: I have installed previous cuntoo versions, but have no machine free at the moment and I concluded from early reports here in the log that it did not work yet, so I postponed this work.
mircea_popescu: Mocky a lot of the femstate's "solutions" to problems consist of this sorta acceptance bs. about as unsuprising as biology can ever get.
☟︎ ave1: About reporting failures, the reporting itself was also failing, but I will pick this up.
ave1: Time wise, my last job ended in december and I started new job this year. Both finish- and start-up demand(ed) more time than I had earlier foreseen.
phf:
http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884626 << i wasn't meditating, i just don't have the mental energy to defend myself. i'm in russia primarily to take care of my grandmother who has dementia, and she was in a pretty critical state when i got here. i'm sure it'll stabilize, but as of right now i don't trust myself to have rational conversations around sensitive subjects online.
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:38 mircea_popescu: so, phf : how about you start clearly communicating yourself, beginning with a complete, correct and true to life adnotation of said discussion in your own hand, because this "ima go meditate on things until everyone involved forgot what i was meditating on" isn't a workable approach to intellectual life.
phf: i have nothing to dispute in the thread or in the consecutive conversations that i wasn't part of. for one, i think i lost my shit (i'm sure week 2 of grandmother also didn't help), because the very first mp reaction was the whole deal, with my role and the outcomes being immediately obvious: i made amorphous promises outside of the republic, and then attempted to badly navigate around them, with the inevitable result. trinque's
phf: "talking past each other" comment was on point, i don't know about asciilifeform, but i was just shouting.
phf: i don't see sharing of parts, or the whole with asciilifeform under whatever terms, etc. irrespective of what will be done as resolving anything: i made original promises in good faith, and i'll be breaking them. my ideas of how to work around that were idiotic and in retrospect that was an obvious mistake, which ftr asciilifeform avoided by refusing any kind of dealings. on the other hand the point
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 mircea_popescu: i am however NOT dealing with people who have your sort of committment outlay.
phf: i agree that the secrecy approach doesn't work, i wasn't the driver behind it, i was skeptical about it, but i wanted to see it play out, and it failed spectacularly. i did the relevant manual labor and promised not to share what i got out of it. and yes if i thought about it, the blood oath puts me in the position of the very same whisperers, where whatever i have i can't make use of. my vague comments about old men and gold chests are
☟︎ phf: the result of reflecting on the idiocy of the whole secrecy approach: i basically got suckered by promises of future great reveals, did free work while also locking myself into the selfsame structure.
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 16:44 asciilifeform: i admit that i'm at least a little curious how phf finally managed escape velocity from the bigzone, but if he doesn't feel like spilling re subj, also won't cry.
phf: asciilifeform: also snarfed
☟︎ a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 15:10 asciilifeform: err, bin ~delete~ knob
mircea_popescu: phf i'm not going to pass in silence over the obvious "check it out, there's no women in phf's fambly, he's taking care of the last one by own hand" comment ~because~ i like you.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously your apparent "escape to russia" was just deeper capture ; yes obviously your attempt at corrupting teh fiat backfired. things will continue to work this way for you for as long as you continue acting like a woman, because biology works a certain way and everything else is driven by that and that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: nor am i going to congratulate mocky on his downstream spawncount ; and also because i like him. spawning is a biological function of women, as remarkable as taking a meal, and the day ima start congratulating people for drawing breath is the day i have no further need of myself.
mircea_popescu: the reason i wrote
http://trilema.com/2018/patriarchy-vs-matriarchy-the-straight-dope/ wasn't that i was bored that day ; or that i don't like people. for as long as you continue thinking your value is established by some woman, you will continue having the same ~type~ of problems. they can be colored any way you like, and lives can readily be spent in that coloring exercise ; but as far as substance is concerned they will be
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there's nothing you can say to keloid. it's made out of cells and cells are deterministic mechanisms. societal scar tissue however is the result of ~deliberate choice~ that is then just as deliberately hidden from the self ; not of some sort of complicated protein signalling.
mircea_popescu: all that said, there's no bad blood here. i have infinite time (in the sense that the republic is eternal, not in the sense that i've been around for seven milennia or thereabouts) and every boy has to take his own fucking journey to his eventual himself. for as long as you can continue speaking the truth you're perfectly welcome here, as everyone ever is ; the magic of the workings of the log permit us a luxury no men knew b
mircea_popescu: efore -- that is, zero-cost shouting ; (the bounty of that experience also readily provides us with a luxury no woman knew before -- that is, zero-cost defloration, the experience of the "significant" cost of expression as perceived afore the fact dissolving into nothingness with the consummation, "what a big deal writing this blogpost was going to be that it didn't turn out to be after all") ; and so following.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:47 phf: asciilifeform: also snarfed
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:42 phf: the result of reflecting on the idiocy of the whole secrecy approach: i basically got suckered by promises of future great reveals, did free work while also locking myself into the selfsame structure.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 05:26 ave1: well arm part works, but I wanted to do some more experimenting with how the call the asm, as register allocation cannot be specified in GNAT
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 03:07 asciilifeform: zx2c4: you may find it interesting to learn that i once worked in a dour 'salt mine' where shat out 'correctness proof' all day. in 'sage.'
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 05:29 mircea_popescu: Mocky a lot of the femstate's "solutions" to problems consist of this sorta acceptance bs. about as unsuprising as biology can ever get.
mircea_popescu: d contrast this with "marriage vows" or whatever bullshit in this vein.
mircea_popescu: saeculum promises include the unpromiseable so regularily as to naturally create the suspicion it's deliberate.
mircea_popescu: so the idea of
http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881910 isn't as much "don't make promises to people outside the walls" ; it's rather "don't make the ~sort of promises~ they make outside the walls ; but if you're too young to know the difference don't make any at all".
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 mircea_popescu: i am however NOT dealing with people who have your sort of committment outlay.
mircea_popescu: "being in legal trouble" is generally a decent first order approximation of that youth. (not that the empire isn't abusing imagignarly "legal process" to attempt to wage war and other such bs, but i guarantee you nobody targetted some schmuck selling fireworks in rural bumfuck because of his roger ver-ness.)
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193607 << this makes for a pretty lulzy re-read, in the context of the meanwhile better fleshed out notions of structure and trees and whatnot. isn't it obvious, asciilifeform , that the ~substantial difference~ is not at all the "head rng" but simply the extension and especially quality of the conceptual trees involved ? the "head v" so to speak ?
☝︎ a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 19:34 ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism'
mircea_popescu: just the sheer insanity of the js loading model. who the fuck can't put it all in one file ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: "dDLzd487PGS.js" is 718514 bytes ; "uGPoR8851vS.js" is 730348 bytes. this is just a SECTION
mircea_popescu: there's never been, since the origin of the world, cause or use for a full 100kb of js. what fucking 730k, there's not that much to say in that scriptlang.
mircea_popescu: much like "all that needs to be, or can be expressed in redskin tongue takes <1 page, which is why they don't need writing, can remember a page"
BingoBoingo: lol, I actually had occasion to hear Incan language last week.
BingoBoingo: Hard to tell. ~half the conversation was in spanish. Girl's dad made a phone call because he went into the city as he does from time to time.
BingoBoingo: Apparently there's no phones up in Llama herding country
mircea_popescu: god knows goats eat shirts. maybe llamas eat sheet metal
BingoBoingo: Possible, Goats are know to eat sheet metal and Llamas are big goats in hairy armor
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 16:55 mircea_popescu: just the sheer insanity of the js loading model. who the fuck can't put it all in one file ?
mircea_popescu: i expect what really is going on is that they have half dozen copies of the "same" lib, diff versions, w/e, and they load them all i nthe hopes one works.
mircea_popescu: cuz whenever they hire a new "engineer" he just dumps more code in the pub and that's it, "he fixed things"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cuz whenever they hire a new "engineer" he just dumps more code in the pub and that's it, "he fixed things" << AHA Heathen WP Pluginisms
BingoBoingo: Yes, in Angloland "escuela de Rugby" might imply something vagualy masculine, but here... It's old women trying to save little boys from futbol
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:42 phf: i agree that the secrecy approach doesn't work, i wasn't the driver behind it, i was skeptical about it, but i wanted to see it play out, and it failed spectacularly. i did the relevant manual labor and promised not to share what i got out of it. and yes if i thought about it, the blood oath puts me in the position of the very same whisperers, where whatever i have i can't make use of. my vague comments about old men and gold chests are
diana_coman: does anybody know whether/how can I use Ada task types from C/CPP code? afaik from GNAT docs there isn't a way to export task types as such
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the concrete mess is this: smg_comms is in Ada, has sender and receiver task types so one can create those as needed, perfect; onth eulora client is this ball of CPP mess and it's unclear to me if it can even be made to use smg comms as it is or what
diana_coman: in the vein of "fork in cpp and from that thread call Ada proc that then spawns tasks"?
diana_coman: mainly because the whole thing is anyway only one thread of the mess as it were; but yes, reentrant should work too
diana_coman: ugh, I was rather hoping I was just thick and not getting it
diana_coman: myeah, all sorts of practical restrictions to consider here; I just wanted to make sure I'm not overlooking some available option before weighing them
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 15:45 asciilifeform: so theoretically can have a steinized daykin ( it remains to be sweated out whether this is moar economical than stein, i'ma get to it today )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mocky did some (very good btw) work on the foxybot ; then went to qatar ; now looking for job.
BingoBoingo: ;tldr Teen scams unicife out of 1000 USD, national news
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, thing was born as pseudo-civilian cover for missile technology development
BingoBoingo: Well as far as agriculturally sourced chemical inputs go... Corn offers big yields in exchange for big nitrogen...
BingoBoingo: Well, that's the story of all state projects. The "factor in" part.
BingoBoingo: 's easy to hide the inputs behind big ears
BingoBoingo: Independent farmers get screwed on every crop. It's a matter of degrees.
BingoBoingo: Ah yes, even the Amish go to Walmart in the US
BingoBoingo: Plenty of times in old country I'd see the Amish buggies going up IL-13 to the Murphysboro Walmart in order to commune with Inca
BingoBoingo: Well, one thing the oppresive VAT here does is keep something of a cash economy alive
BingoBoingo: They try that here. Many of the big chain sucker traps here will offer incredible discounts for using the right card to the point it is anti advertising the pricing of their wares.
BingoBoingo: They try that here too. Pay with card get X% back as VAT rebate.
BingoBoingo: Then again here they also have this privatized food stand deal where employers can issue a part of employee pay as "alimentation tickets"
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Which network the employer picks determines employee dietary decisions.
jurov: /znc clearallchannelbuffers