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BingoBoingo: In outsiders neglecting the local situation: https://www.bbc.com/mundo/noticias/2012/10/121024_uruguay_arroz_am
BingoBoingo: Local news on arroz: http://www.iciforestal.com.uy/uruguay/17164-la-primavera-se-demora-para-el-agro-uruguayo "El sector del arroz está calentando los motores para iniciar la siembra para el ejercicio 2018/19 con una perspectiva claramente adversa. Hace una semana la industria arrocera Samman cerró dos plantas en la ciudad de Río Branco (Cerro Largo). En tanto, espera que el cereal ocupe en su próxima zafra –que comenza
BingoBoingo: rá en aproximadamente dos semanas– la menor superficie de los últimos 25 años, con una caída del 30% en la intención de siembra (a unas 135 mil hectáreas). Pese a que Uruguay es uno de los líderes en productividad a nivel mundial, los crecientes costos del cultivo encadenan ya cinco campañas consecutivas con números rojos."
BingoBoingo: Anglophages: Everybody must grow rice in the superior Uruguayo style to feed the Africa!
BingoBoingo: Uruguayos: We gotta plant less acres of rice than ever because breaking even on grain is hard!
trinque: mircea_popescu: ack!
BingoBoingo: In the contemporary problem: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/asi-quedo-la-planta-de-friopan-tras-la-ocupacion-del-sindicato-201953020513
BingoBoingo: 77 want to work, can't because 38 want not to strike but occupy the workplace and fuck it all to hell ☟︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do they not have pinkertons there ? or not enuff maxim gun? or which.
asciilifeform: !!up AbuseOfNotation
deedbot: AbuseOfNotation voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: AbuseOfNotation: who might you be ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: PIT-CNT is more or less a parallel local government
BingoBoingo: Also lack of maxim gun
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3378 << Loper OS -- Sometimes, at night, I dream about the boat.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-31#1916316 << "sindicalism" / "community organizing" in a word. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-31 01:38 BingoBoingo: 77 want to work, can't because 38 want not to strike but occupy the workplace and fuck it all to hell
mircea_popescu: ">100 chicks on campus want to suck dick on their knees, can't because 30 nobody would even spit on cockblock all they see"
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: in other news of little consequence, i added 4 more headers and deleted like a dozen or so (older, shittier ones), leaving the grand total at 57.
mircea_popescu: i didn't delete them off the site, just took 'em out of rotation is all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, a yeah, the silence of the classic nuke sub. usgistani agitpropo makers never get this right, from capra's submarine all the way to star trek there's always endless pointless chatter, and bridge bunnies. no such thing in reality.
mircea_popescu: nobody speaks on the boat ; and if someone does, it's because someone else made a mistake. but real men don' tmake mistakes, and boys aren't welcome on the boat.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I enjoy your non-programming output ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty, happy to hear that you found it interesting
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: classic sovok boat was different from the american one in at least 1 fundamental -- there would be ~twodozen 18yo conscripts on board, plus roughly 2x that number of professionals
asciilifeform: some of the former would go on to become the latter, most did not. a conscript sailed for 3y.
asciilifeform: nao the conscripts came, as people do, in degrees of stupid. and instead of idle chat they would sometimes do things like rewiring the 'did you check compartment x in 17 places' buttons to those of adjacent compartment, so that the 'yes checked' lamp would light and they could instead sleep. then would be caught, and disciplined the old-fashioned way, with beating.
asciilifeform: the 'pros' sometimes also made mistake. most of these mistakes are at the bottom of the sea still.
asciilifeform: in 1 particular documented case, where boat was raised 7yrs later, they found that an old salt turned valve in wrong direction. fella served on a diff design for a decade, where dir was opposite. he put such strength into 'closing' valve that the handle was bent. rest of crew breathed for 2wks, aside from one who hung self in bed and another who shorted battery with both hands. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: arguably mistake was of ~designer~.
asciilifeform: lotsa material like this in the lit, for aficionados.
asciilifeform: in 1 recent case, in iirc '07, a diesel boat was sold to india and sailed to purchaser, crewed by ~builders and designers~ (is called 'factory crew'). and there was small fire, during which they ended up pumping halon into wrong compartment.
asciilifeform: ( iirc wasn't even thought newsworthy outside of ru. diesels 'not sexy', and besides, didn't sink, merely unloaded half the crew as corpses )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform doesn't work in the sea. but finds these interesting, because they illustrate engineering fundamentals.
asciilifeform: esp. re trade-offs. e.g., for many decades , air is given 19 % oxygen instead of the typical sea level 21 . reduced fire but at expense of making the men very slightly stupider.
asciilifeform: afaik same in american navy.
asciilifeform: ( this, only on nuke boat, naturally, where electrolyser can be had; on diesels air is taken only from atmosphere, when at snorkel depth )
asciilifeform brb:teatime.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-31#1916332 << word. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-31 11:59 diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I enjoy your non-programming output
asciilifeform: there is an interesting tradition in ru navy. they open a kingston and fill a lamp cover with sea water; the boat dives, and the green recruits are given to drink, and told : 'this salt water will be the last thing you taste if you fuck up' .
asciilifeform does not know whether the amerinavy has an equiv., the sources are sparse.
asciilifeform: they also have a thing where the captain can point to anyone, 'you!' , and then point to any piece of gear, from reactor to toilet, and demand an account of what are all of the parts, and how it works, in detail. and the pointed man must pass the exam. if fails, has no moar 'r&r' time , must study, until passes. ☟︎
asciilifeform: imho this is a mighty fine practice and oughta be adopted elsewhere.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/california-public-utilities-commission-approves-measure-allowing-utilities-to-initiate-mass-fire-prevention-blackouts/ << Qntra -- California Public Utilities Commission Approves Measure Allowing Utilities To Initiate Mass "Fire Prevention" Blackouts
BingoBoingo: ^ For the growing Mud Hut industry files
asciilifeform: aaah the lolzpeople of lolifornia, land of 10k/mo 1room flats, double-digit sales tax, rolling blackouts...
asciilifeform: i half suspect that it exists simply to make east usa look livable in contrast.
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform hasn't been there even as tourist. so many moar interesting places to tour, e.g. north kr...
mircea_popescu: sounds just about right, in any case.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-31#1916352 << precisely how my harem works, at that. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-31 15:57 asciilifeform: they also have a thing where the captain can point to anyone, 'you!' , and then point to any piece of gear, from reactor to toilet, and demand an account of what are all of the parts, and how it works, in detail. and the pointed man must pass the exam. if fails, has no moar 'r&r' time , must study, until passes.
asciilifeform unsurprised
mircea_popescu: in other wowz : http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114712 << comment automatically (and incorrectly i suspect ?) marked as spam back then
asciilifeform: sadly linked item dead
mircea_popescu: wut can you do ;/
mircea_popescu: other than, of course, not using protonmail.
asciilifeform: lol! he did?!
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: stupid name, spammer ip, ~suicide.
asciilifeform: i thought mpwp spamola trap was 100% based on the clever boobytrap described in earlier thrd, no magic banlists
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If using ip of earlier spammer...
asciilifeform: i confess that i like my method moar. no blacklists, no whitelists, no timers, nuffin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, indeed not. think about how this works : a) the comment includes a link not-to-trilema. so it's potentially a spammer ; then b) uses an "vps" ip, which has a very high likeliness of being previously used to a spammer, and marked as such in trilema's own antispam.
asciilifeform: makes sense
mircea_popescu: consider shinohai's latest : protonmail & ubersmart ip : https://cleantalk.org/blacklists/104.244.77.173
mircea_popescu: 0% chances for this to pass if i don't actually fish it out of the spam list by hand. and for obvious fucking reasons : people who use protonmail are retarded.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, sure, he wasn't using that back in february. but just because he wasn't doesn't fucking mean nobody was, amirite. cheapo "safe email" + cheapo "anonimity tools" == internet failure.
mircea_popescu: and i'm not about to change it so these go to mod list. let people pull head out of arse already, understand that http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/ inter alia.
mircea_popescu: what's the idea anyway, that i'm going to scour earth to find some net dork that sad the unkind about my slaves ? cuz what, i give a fuck ? and what, if i give a fuck it'll be protonmail and 10bux/year vps that's gonna prevent me ?
asciilifeform: ip-banlist filtration imho sucks tho. puts burden on site operator, for no good reason. whereas if erry www keeper made commenters solve even ultra-simple 'reading comprehension' puzzler prior to comment entering queue, ~for so long as said puzzler aint standardized, a la idjit 'captcha'~ -- then spam, at least of the mass-scalable variety, evaporates.
mircea_popescu: this theory is how you have 0 comments from me on loper-os, over half a decade.
asciilifeform: i threw out the googlistic captcha thing only this yr.
asciilifeform: prior to that iirc it was broken entirely for quite long time.
mircea_popescu: that it was. but im still not taking tests to leave a comment.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu can't be arsed to xor 2 smallints, then comment surely was not pressing matter.
mircea_popescu: this is also true.
asciilifeform: i have 0 objection to 'this aint pressing enuff to comment'
asciilifeform: since i put in the new booby, had two dozen or so comments from half that many people, who did find pressing, and 0 spam of any description..
mircea_popescu: i agree that's an improvement over the broken commentbox from before.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr asciilifeform's approach is not original , it is lifted from ru world, where used quite successfully in number of places.
asciilifeform: tho there people go imho to extremes, asking people to solve triple integrals etc.
mircea_popescu: was used on bitbet, though there less effort than xoring
asciilifeform: iirc it has '2+2' or similar
mircea_popescu: 3 + VI i thought
asciilifeform: and afaik also worked ~100%, tho i do not know specifically
asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: and yes, very low failure rate.
asciilifeform: to round out thread : interestingly, prior to adding the 'fg baud' q , i did see several spams.
asciilifeform: evidently people wrote elementary 'ai' to do arithmetics.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: the way I see it re your approach is that it effectively takes the "prove you are not a robot" route i.e. assumed default is robot, human only if proven rather than the other way around.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: correct. sadly valid assumption, 99.999....% of load reqs are from simple robots.
asciilifeform: the old 'whack-a-mole' approach of filtration maybe was workable in '90s, but today 'fresh' ips cost, what, half a penny ea.
mircea_popescu: trilema does ok.
asciilifeform: evidently uses some muscle power tho.
asciilifeform: i dun have, sadly, so much of it to spare.
asciilifeform: fwiw i have also nonzero muscle in the loop, after all still have mod queue, for when inevitable idjit pumps in 10,000 copies of helloworld
mircea_popescu: welll then...
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform put in the ~old~ trap when found that he was spending 40min+ erry day, and ~all of it on nuking clearly autogenned crapola )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-31#1916338 << nb story. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-31 13:48 asciilifeform: in 1 particular documented case, where boat was raised 7yrs later, they found that an old salt turned valve in wrong direction. fella served on a diff design for a decade, where dir was opposite. he put such strength into 'closing' valve that the handle was bent. rest of crew breathed for 2wks, aside from one who hung self in bed and another who shorted battery with both hands.
asciilifeform: if i had somehow arrived at mircea_popescu's algo then, prolly would still use it today, it does work wellenuff.
mircea_popescu: honestly, i spent ~5 minutes this week ; 60% of those searching the spam list for "protonmail" after it turned out this last smartypants ended up there directly. which is how i found the 2015 item (contrary to redditard lore, protonmail was never popular, few dozen total)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if yer interested, boat was 'С-80' , sank in '61. raised and was found that all hands mummified, and was possible to say what each was doing.
mircea_popescu: hard to believe they couldn't fix a handle in 2 weeks
asciilifeform: ( i.e. most compartments not flooded )
asciilifeform: the 1 with the valve, flooded.
mircea_popescu: a yes
asciilifeform: small vessel, diesel.
mircea_popescu: the c80?!
asciilifeform: aha
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu saw with own eyes such a boat, in cr, once
asciilifeform: 'type 613'.
mircea_popescu: so the valve compartment was flooded ?
asciilifeform: was the air intake valve , iirc. linked piece has detailed likbez ( there was >1 mistake, vessel could have been saved even after valve , in principle )
asciilifeform: 1 interesting detail, when boat was raised, the brass split into factions, one of which went 'old torpedoes, too dangerous to unload, let's sink it again', arse-covering. but other side prevailed, and sappers volunteered to defuse. then the 'archaeology' took place.
asciilifeform: crew was dissected right in the dried boat, anatomists brought in tables.
asciilifeform: the sailors had done quite a few things, 1st 'standard', then 'nonstandard', e.g. bled air from torpedos to try an' dry out flooded compartments. did not simply sit.
asciilifeform: vertical rudder was found turned 20 degree left. i.e. suggested that vessel had attempted very sharp turn, to avoid obstacle.
asciilifeform: ( generally there's exactly 1 type of such obstacle.. )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/ is imho pretty interesting reread.
asciilifeform: ( iirc this was when mircea_popescu persuaded asciilifeform that oughta make an rng... )
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/05/31/peso-watch-may-2019/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- Peso Watch May 2019
mircea_popescu: aha!
mircea_popescu: and in spite of all that -- anonimity stayed not for the poor.
asciilifeform: afaik 'anonymity' was never the hard part, the tricky bit is getting anyone to give a fuck re the anon spews
asciilifeform: recently asciilifeform dug up ancient case: d00d tried to nail gorby, iirc circa '87. had a++ scheme, sawed off german double-barrel 12ga, overcoat, carried pro-gorby plaquard on metal rod to get past metalsweepers (succeeded) ;
asciilifeform: rehearsed pulling the sawoff under guise of drawing handkerchief (also succeeded) ;
asciilifeform: knew how to get within range, also a++ . but was just slightly too slow on the draw, missed 1st shot, flunkie fell on him during 2nd
asciilifeform: this aint the interesting part tho. prior to this fella went all around moscow and dropped anonlulz leaflets 'kill gorby now'. after printed a run of each, destroyed typewriter, filed off the pads, buried. went through 5 or 6.
asciilifeform: point being, no one gave half a shit re the leaflets.
asciilifeform: not even kgb et al. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ( 1 remaining lulzdetail -- fella's apparently a free man today, and 'activist businessman'(tm) )
asciilifeform: funnily enuff, according to d00d , the 'trigger' was when he spent his last coin on a tape deck at flea market, and took home crate, opened -- bricks.
asciilifeform: 'this is last straw, gorby'
asciilifeform: oblog period sovjoak : buncha d00dz standing in queue, to buy vodka. ( 1985 'dry law', shortage nao of the 1 thing that there was never shortage of... ) finally one of'em had enuff, 'i'ma go off and kill gorby'. hour later comes back to end of queue. they ask 'so didja?' he : 'there was even longer queue there'
asciilifeform: *oblig
asciilifeform: hm, loox like item was in '90 .
asciilifeform: a. a. shmonov, if anyone cares.
asciilifeform: http://shmonov1.narod.ru << has www !
asciilifeform: [http://www.55522.ru/][even has 'ai'-flavoured crackpot rant.' 'automated system for producing inventions with aid of computer'.
asciilifeform not read whole thing, but appears to be inspired by altshuller's 'triz' , which in fact not a crock of shit, and asciilifeform personally uses.
asciilifeform: grr, let's fix the syntax eggog :
asciilifeform: even has 'ai'-flavoured crackpot rant : 'automated system for producing inventions with aid of computer'.
asciilifeform: sad orc tho. joined 'microshit bizspark incubator' in '14, nuffin heard since.
asciilifeform: also apparently has autobio: 'how and why i tried to shoot the head of totalitarian state, m. gorbachev.'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-31#1916441 << why'd have kgb given shit re dood killing usg.blue man ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-31 20:24 asciilifeform: not even kgb et al.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: by all indications , it at that pt already also blue