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mircea_popescu is persuased neural networks / expert systems / etc
ai.mit nonsense is waste of tiem ; however we could put the difference between trng and prng in these terms : only one is useful for evolutionary work.
mircea_popescu: "understanding" of the "truely" or any other variety, in the "human" sense is simply second order prediction. we would readily identify a computer as "hard
ai" or "truly" comprehending what's going on if it a) deployed heuristics and then b) made reasonable (which does not mean correct) predictions about their likelihood of success.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "
AI" consisting of hello-and-1-response is seeing > 50% success rate. can you imagine this ?
mircea_popescu: je n'
ai pas eu besoin de cette hypothese a lot more radical than originally thought.
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna tell me
ai isn't quite here yet and quantum computers not right around the corner, not to mention no 3d printed guns.
mircea_popescu: whole idea now is "can safely replace explanation from 1 with item from 2". if we break this re 1 wtf do we do, you write
AI to discern between dex-powered and mp-powered explanations of words ?
mircea_popescu: specifically the "Si daca tot m-am enervat, sa facem si o regula : cine se casatoreste nu mai are dreptul sa fie dizident. Dizidenta e pentru barbati, nu pentru pulalai inscrisi in registru' reproductiv al neamului. Odata ce te-
ai casatorit cu una
ai terminat-o cu pretentiile si nemultumirile apropo de "orinduirea sociala". Nu mai
ai ce sa comentezi, te inscrii acolo in ordine asa cum este ea si iti vezi de sters cacatu' de p
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lots of good ones missing. "i-a picat fata" (his face fell off) ; "a dat cu mucii-n fasole" (he snotted the refried beans) ; "iti pica fisa ?" (does the coin inserted into your coinslot actually fall through the spuriously complex machinery inside your otherwise empty skull to make the necessary contacts ?) ; "a freca menta" (mintrubbing, absent ?! gimme a break!) ; "
ai morcov [in fund] ?" (to have a carrot [up
mircea_popescu: but on the upside -- a 80 lane highway perfect place for
ai driving. can have lanes sorted by speed at a 1kmph resolution. there's a marginal but present for "american technology companies" even in chinese owned future!
diana_coman: (n.r. : Mircea, eu nu vorbesc nici la nervi cu atatea cuvinte NSFW cum
ai scris tu, nu le vreau nici pe blog. Le-am sters de mana, dar un pic de atentie pe viitor poate nu strica
mircea_popescu: "-
Ai de grija sa nu le faci prea destepte ca se mai mintuie specia sau ceva." <> "take care to not have daugthers too smart, lest the species ends"
mircea_popescu: i read it all about alphabet inventing
ai, playing go, errythang.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-21 01:18 mircea_popescu: "mult stimate ion caciula, om al muncii fara scula : cit
ai degete si limba, legea tarii nu se schimba."
mircea_popescu: in exactly the manner global warmism has absolutely nothing to do with science ; or "bayesian methods" with
ai.
ben_vulpes: google apparently really needs that site flag; such
AI mircea_popescu: eh, fuck the works. lemme quote from minigame boardroom : <dc> aia, am crezut ca na,
ai ramas si fara net de la vanturi alea
a111: Logged on 2016-12-22 23:43 asciilifeform: '
AI risk is string theory for computer programmers. It's fun to think about, interesting, and completely inaccessible to experiment given our current technology. You can build crystal palaces of thought, working from first principles, then climb up inside them and pull the ladder up behind you.'
shinohai: I'm sure the Baloney exchange appreciates these advances in
AI and machine lurnin
AlfredAlfer: I thought perhaps it related to the
AI conversation in that someone programmed a bot to kill such and such creature by identifying certain pixels and it mistook the rabbit for what it was supposed to kill
mircea_popescu: but the google "
ai" works exactly in this manner : show a large matrix a bunch of different pics, and then see what got fished up, so to speak.
AlfredAlfer: like their fake
AI robots that they pretend are all super-intelligent?
mircea_popescu: AlfredAlfer do you understant how pantsuit "
AI" works ?
mircea_popescu doubts the google
ai can actually find costa rica. reals you see, errors compound, place is small.
mircea_popescu: oh, oh, with the independent girlfriends and the
ai thing ? and the something basilisk mega-pantsuit ?
kanzure: he's basically the gmaxwell of fearmongering about x-risk/
ai mircea_popescu: there's not so much difference between google "
ai" as seen here ; and lookup table mixups as seen with the original eggog.
mircea_popescu: "holy shit they built
ai capable of doing job of corps of competent agents"
mircea_popescu: (and , of course, they're making the eternal soviet mistake, spending 5bn on "research", except in healthcare,
ai, batteries, self-driving vehicles, satellites etc. ie, trying to spend money to rewrite history with themselve in the picture. if you have a fucking clue you never invest in R&D in "hot" shit)
mircea_popescu: (for the record -- while i do believe that IA (as opposed to
ai bullcrap) is both perfectly achievable, in many ways achieved, and the ~only reasonable use of the machine in the first place ; i nevertheless think the problem is catastrophically ill posed in the "you know, like bullzoder" sense. yes there was such an application for digital computers, it is called "the numeric method" and still not widely deployed notwithstand
☟︎ mircea_popescu: this is why i like that romanian cartoon series, "robotzi". they do it extensively, to breaking point. single example : at some point one says to the other "daca stiam c-
ai sa ajungi un ghetzalit nespalat". this is evidently in standard romanian "if i knew you'll end up and unwashed ???". the ??? is iffy, because ghetzalit is not a word in romanian. in fact, it's a construction : ghetz is how you say sperm in hungarian, and -
andreicon: "we added
AI to our product" means "we added a bunch of ifs to our code"
mircea_popescu: wtf is that to do with anything, above and beyond "our
ai consists of think()" ?
phf: lisp has its own kind of trisector: a person whose mind is so blown by the whole code/data thing that he's convinced one can build "real
AI" using a handful of self modifying macros
mircea_popescu: honestly, i expect the unix "Shell" is very much "poor man's
ai". specifically "we can't get it to laugh at your jokes or suck your cock, but here's the best we can do, it's almost as if you're talking to it"
mircea_popescu: well, basically a bunch of people (ideally) will write
ai bots, and solmeone will have to run their tournament.
sina: mircea_popescu: I dunno. all I can say is when I was reading the
ai logs, and you mentioned irc repl, I was thinking about how it could be implemented
mircea_popescu: sina so you're considering making offer for
ai learning hosting ?
sina: ah interesting I actually had a similar idea after reading abotu the
ai stuff
mircea_popescu: the above should plainly explain btw (for instance, via asciilifeform 's "beat the
ai" game), why rng is absolutely required for sovereign entity to even in principle exist.
mircea_popescu: this + the
ai learning thing, which i've not forgot about btw, will update it soonish.
mircea_popescu: if the operator of B opts to respond, at t4 A will receive a P'.
Ai mircea_popescu: you can't claim google-style "
ai" is a scam when it simply does EXACTLY what average-voter does to decide who to vote for, average-idiot to pick his friends, average-office-drone to pick employees etc.
mircea_popescu: suddenly puts the
ai as digital-machine-intelligence problem in its proper perspective, and also supplies a very good explanation for the genysym issue. people going think() are ACTUALLY approaching the river at the other end.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-17 14:03 phf: there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to
AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
phf: there's an earlier talk he made, maybe 10 years ago, where he basically said "we used to do all these analytical algorithms to
AI, but turns out you don't need none of that, because we have massive datasets instead."
☟︎ phf: well, he also wrote an
ai textbook with exemplary lisp
a111: Logged on 2017-05-08 17:04 mircea_popescu: i don't think you either know or could meet if you dedicated a year to it someone possessed of an
ai capable of identifying who the fuck to shoot.
phf`: “First-Ever LSD Microdosing Study Will Pit the Human Brain Against
AI (vice.com)”
mircea_popescu: reddit users were rendered obsolete by "
ai" back in the days of minsky.
mircea_popescu: well... maybe the tremendously ever-improving
ai opens up a whole bunch of galaxies' worth of new leaves, like sf promised.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you either know or could meet if you dedicated a year to it someone possessed of an
ai capable of identifying who the fuck to shoot.
☟︎ gizmolearner: After many years of slow growth,
AI is currently looking to be on an unstoppable path. If a machine that costs $.25 an hour to run can out think a person who costs $50 an hour. What should the people do? Capatilism says the machines should win the jobs. So no you have factories and things that require almost no people, but still produce as much as ever. And a lot of unemployable people.
mircea_popescu: imo the exact same drive is behind "let's build
ai to make friends" and "let's make use of the higher transistor count to reflexivitize the cpu". it's a sort of triumf des willens all of its own.
ben_vulpes: in other constantly increasing costs of cross-referencing all of the inanity all of the time, "'
ai' picks up biases from texts on which it's trained"
mircea_popescu: huge fucking loss in human control over human affairs, and meanwhile the idiots are sitting around worrying about "Evil
ai". hey, guess what, you don't need the
ai to fuck you over.
mircea_popescu: your expectation of divinity in your bots is of the same root as an expectation of friendship supplementation in computers aka "
ai".
ben_vulpes: spoiler alert:
ai can't in2 dicks afaict