mod6: mircea_popescu: Alright, sorry to keep you waiting here. I'd say Pizarro is fine to hang on to ECU if we can try again in the next say, 60 days. This would eliminate the step of having to buy ECU (which clearly isn't a problem anyway). Otherwise, you can just !!pay. Amount was 1.1bn ECU. I originally bought 1.2bn from dpb, and I was going to hold the remaining 100mn until the end of the year, unless we
mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually.
☟︎ trinque: I'll try to find time to reproduce soon. you are correct that the var in script needs to point to the version of portage in distfiles.
trinque: will otherwise reply on teh blag
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 17:59 asciilifeform: i can't speak for what particularly they're manacled to, only for self, tho.
trinque: if soon, I'm going to ride it out right here.
trinque can't argue it wont happen, or whether I have to shoot somebody breaking in tonight, or...
trinque: who in this model is the jew, in the present case
mircea_popescu: what's the ratio of those to men > 50 who ~used~ to own a house ?
trinque: quite a few, but my meatwot isn't generally representative
mircea_popescu: well, it's the argument he's bringing. "whether the pantsuit "nationalize" property for reasons to do with the property, like the soviet-pantsuit, or for reasons to do with you, like the nazi-pantsuit, fact remains they're stealing shit because they're socialists, that's what they do"
a111: Logged on 2017-06-29 17:32 BingoBoingo:
http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=8142 << "Her attorney informed us this morning, that although the deed is being assigned to my sister, my brother and I, that if my mother requires nursing home care through Medicare at any point over the next five years, that the Feds will take the house to pay the bills. "
trinque: sure, only thing I'd counter is the game by which they steal is the same test-taking nonsense seen elsewhere
mircea_popescu: herr heinrich who used to have a nuts and botls factory which hitler took from him because "we had a dreirich younger and better and managing your factory" or which stalin took from him "Because factories don't belong with heinrichs", in the end the same thing occured.
trinque: it's not as though anyone's coming at me with quantum physics on an IRS form
mircea_popescu: trinque the proposition is that to believe you understand "the method" is a nonsense stance, in a circumstance where "the method" is mere pretense.
mircea_popescu: yes, "you understant how esltard chicks mate", dates, whatever. looky here : the cunt will fill up, there's no method. there's only fashion, and fashion's a) irrational and b) unreliable.
trinque: this imagined circumstance where they're even 5% effective is just that.
mircea_popescu: "needed" being rhetorical flourish. i don't crush ants because needed.
trinque: they're not staffed for that
trinque: where is the wonderland without "oops X fucked your Y" and I'll pack today
trinque: I recall plenty of razorwire in CR. decorative?
BingoBoingo: Seriously, here they have metal fences around everything. Totally decorative
mircea_popescu: also he should have said decorative??? like in those old pot awareness psas.
☟︎ BingoBoingo: Some here top there fences with small electric fences. Stotting behavior
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 22:41 BingoBoingo: If you come to Uruguay, avoid the shrimp pastas. Very underwhelming as a rule.
BingoBoingo: They only happen here ~10 feet up on top of unelectrified barriers.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:20 asciilifeform: Mocky, mircea_popescu , diana_away , et al : anybody find closed form for 'q1 and q2 miscible or not' ? all i have is Na(Qa - k) + Nb(Qb - k) = 0, for 1<=Na<=size(pileA), 1<=Nb<=size(pileB), integer k exists , but no better
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:21 mod6: Unless you want to also do us the favor of taking the additional 100mn ECU, and just !!pay'ing 1.2 BTC back to Pizarro. Totally up to you. We appreciate very much your efforts on this. I think we'll find a way eventually.
mircea_popescu: closed form is closed form, fuck you and mz. heuristics tied together to the same pole.
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, go ahead and !!pay 1.2 BTC back to me, and I'll meet ya on eulora to pay you 100mn ECU. Thanks!
mod6: im in old-town when you're ready
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:57 mircea_popescu: also he should have said decorative??? like in those old pot awareness psas.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform specifically via diophantine : if a and b is a natural interval then a*p + b * q (p, q arbitrary constants) will not admit factors ever so often (when they sum to a prime)
mircea_popescu: though our constraint is narrower than "not admit factors", but if you do the whole thing in modulo-ai+bi...
mod6: oh when p and q are 1?
mircea_popescu: consider the intervals of N (0...a], (0...b]. for two arbitrary values from N, p, q. the sum of the series-product in the ring modulo-sum is ~sometimes~ 0.
mircea_popescu: numerically : (0..100], (0..80], 17, 19. 1 * 17 + 5 * 19 modulo (1+5) = 4.
mircea_popescu: seems to me that EXACTLY like in the original case of the diophantine approach to "just how many primes are there" we've in fact drawn a conical here in a multi-dimesional space.
mircea_popescu: this function is neither derivable nor even continuous. can call it eulora mix function or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 00:30 asciilifeform: ( currently seems to stick to preying on the bottom half of the bell curve, mostly, but i suspect this won't last )
mod6: must have timed out.
mod6: no nevermind. im over by Heina.
mod6: Oooh. Sorry thought that was old town.
mod6: oh shit, it's a gif. i bet if i stare long enough a dragon pops out at me.
mircea_popescu: the thing is : if you mix portions of both stacks you gain ~nothing.
mircea_popescu: put x% of stack a in stack b === mix stack b with portion of a and place the result where stack b stood before.
mircea_popescu: now mind you, we have no proof that this is correct approach. maybe by strewning out piles you get better results in the end.
mircea_popescu: one obvious strategy : make q1 piles of everything, then min-max them, sorta like bubble sort.
mircea_popescu: there can't be inmiscible more-than-two-not-same-q piles.
mircea_popescu: 3 or more piles of diff q are always miscible further.
mircea_popescu: im right, im right. there's a reason we're using "two stacks of diff parities" as stop condition.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i love the pretense that dumb whale has "a life".
a111: Logged on 2018-08-23 21:29 Mocky: for example this pile of 4 requires 2 moves: 1x1q 100x1000q 100x1001q 1x2001q, while if you do it without the last pile: the remaining 3 require 20 steps
Mocky: for sake of argument, possible it rejects 3/4 of worst moves
mircea_popescu wipes tear from eye, brought forth by how eulora will entertain even the blackhearted heretics who won't "play" it. it is a tear of joyous schadenfreunde.
Mocky: but looky, maybe not 20 steps exactly, but more than 2, *no question*
☟︎ mircea_popescu: you'll never make the tops, but then again not everyone does.
mod6: rent rockchip, make text-only-client, setup foxybot, profit???
mircea_popescu: it's mockybot these days tho. he finally released one that works, i've been mining with it all week.
mod6: maybe i'll give that a shot this weekend. i love mining
mircea_popescu: me too! i used to not really be able to do so much, but nowadays...
mod6: remember doing it all by hand? my arm used to hurt after hours of this lol.
mircea_popescu: didn't thickasthieves get carpal ? or am i conflating stories ?
mircea_popescu: i recall this being a topic at c1, and me going "oh, there'll be bots"
mod6: i dunno, maybe? i felt like my arm was gonna fall off a few times. but never as bad as anything perm.
mod6: but we were all running around hording up all kinds of loot.
mod6: i read that they're abundant nao tho
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> didn't thickasthieves get carpal ? or am i conflating stories ? << Mats has carpal, TAT went terminally comment section butthurt
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 02:02 Mocky: but looky, maybe not 20 steps exactly, but more than 2, *no question*
Mocky: neither could it be done in 3*P. my given example I'd wager 50/50 if it could be done in 4*P
Mocky: based on intuition, which i shall explain
Mocky: the 1xq1 item has a tiny mass compared to the 200 ~q1000 items, and will resolve into the q1000 pile. theres no way to mix a q1 up to q1000 using only ~q1000 items in 10 or less moves. it's just got a long way to go
mircea_popescu: Mocky : mix 1q1 with 99q 1001. new set is now 100q1k, 100q991, 1q 1001. then mix 1q1001 with 9q991. new set is 100q1k, 91q991, 10q992.
mircea_popescu: next you split the 100 into the 991 and 992 groups and you're done.
mircea_popescu: next you split the 100 into the 991 and 992 groups and you're done.
Mocky: i'm going to take a minute and verify that. but i expect you to be right, and then im gonna come back and say "ah, but i chose a bad example"
Mocky: looks right, so my intuition is clearly ill informed. imma see what else I can see
Mocky: maybe i'm dense, what do you mean reduce a pile at least in half?
mircea_popescu: so far, the correct approach seems to be : 1. select the outlier piles (highest q, lowest q). 2. mix the smaller of the two with such a fraction of the larger of the two as can be done. 3. repeat. if 2 fails, move inwardly on the pair list.
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ good approach is 1. calculate average quality as a real ; 2. calculate the integer piles of consecutive qualities this reduces to (you'll never get an irrational value through 1, which in itself is a very itneresting lemma) ; 3. try all pile pairs in some (random ?) order for producing either of the two expected qualities.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: anyway, i expect the "hard" case would revolve around powers of two, so i'm guessing checkermark pairings probably deliver the hardest case (for current pairwise mixing). say in 8 bit : 85 items q170, 146 items q 73, 219 items q109 and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 21:47 mircea_popescu: so far that's even the reason empire crossed the threshold into oblivion ( i'm too lazy to dig up ye olde trilema where i say "state may exist for as long as it so closely mimmicks my will i can't discern it's there, and not one second past that" ) and now must be destroyed. had it had the sense (rather, the capacity) to maintain both forms, i'd nwever have even noticed it, and it could have continued to exist therefore.
mod6: !!invoice BingoBoingo 0.01341464 One month rental of rockchip: Through September 2018
mod6: !!v DC1B15C060167472D1E14D037637116C56F6EC6D92BD265DD8C64281D7F45030
deedbot: Invoiced BingoBoingo 0.01341464 << One month rental of rockchip: Through September 2018
mircea_popescu: "Solution (.Sln) File - msdn.microsoft.com The new home for Visual Studio documentation is Visual Studio 2017 Documentation on docs.microsoft.com. The latest version of this topic can be found at Solution (.Sln) File. A solution is a structure for organizing projects in Visual Studio. The solution maintains the state information for projects ..."
mircea_popescu: (holy shit think about it, state information ~for projects~)
a111: Logged on 2018-08-24 04:04 mircea_popescu: the ~other~ good approach is 1. calculate average quality as a real ; 2. calculate the integer piles of consecutive qualities this reduces to (you'll never get an irrational value through 1, which in itself is a very itneresting lemma) ; 3. try all pile pairs in some (random ?) order for producing either of the two expected qualities.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo good god, are they now gonna do a bunchga herp derp about how important the moron is and how irreplaceable the scrapping ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The latest round appears to already have started
BingoBoingo: But all comments are being attributed to "the family" suggesting he is already very close to Potato if not already there
mircea_popescu: collective personage best personage, nobody has authority top say "this wasn't said".
mircea_popescu: so 1. calculate q so that n q + m (q+1) = S (the sum of the count-quality products for the entire starting set)
mircea_popescu: 2. you split the starting set into two sub sets by the criteria ? and without splitting stacks ?
mircea_popescu: suppose i have stacks of 10k each with qualities from 50 to 150. average q is 100. now, how do i split these 100 stacks into two subsets ?
mircea_popescu: specifically, how do i pick among alternatives 1. "all stacks with odd index, left, all stacks with even index, right" and 2. "all stacks under 75 or over 125 left, all stacks within 75 to 125, right" ?
☟︎ mircea_popescu shall proceed to coffee with diana_coman in a few, but thereafter will be back, so no worries.
mircea_popescu: considering how much lisp i read... possibly not even then!
mod6: asciilifeform: Good to go for us to buy another round of SSDs? (apparently this time we can only get 3 at a time)
mod6: shitazon limits, i've seen it before myself.
mod6: we do what we can. i was pretty impressed with the speed at which they arrived.
mircea_popescu: mod6 conceivably (besides ip registration thing, which how's it going ?) might also get vendor status ? open a little shop of actual stuff in uruguay ?
mod6: Was kinda thinking that myself mircea_popescu... at least, in concept.
mod6: I haven't even considered IP registration.. was there a inititive to get a block of our own from ICANN?
mircea_popescu: yeah. you can sell all your shit that's out of amortization at half price, become huge. well, "huge", south america huge.
mod6: oh, I'll have to talk to ben_vulpes and read the logs on that. thanks for the nudge.
mod6: !!pay BingoBoingo 0.14516129
mod6: !!v 945B7F7A6D4F4AEC6760362343EAB65C65D3A49F973D59E066287DEF2841727E
deedbot: mod6 paid BingoBoingo 0.14516129
mod6: BingoBoingo: whatever you don't spend, just hang on to it, and we'll tally it up at EOM for the books.
ben_vulpes: iirc lacnic wants to see the existing block more heavily used than it is right now before allocating more, BingoBoingo was there something else incorporation that LACNIC wanted to see?
ben_vulpes: if it's that simple, that'd be spiffy indeed
mod6: It sounds like, "Be legally established within the region and use the resources in LACNIC's coverage area."
mod6: So we might need to incorporate first. *might*
trinque: "hurr they are for xen tenements"
trinque: mod6: seems like a valuable thing to have, local corp
trinque: I dunno the tax laws down there, but might be beneficial in regards to deducting expenses?
trinque: I hear only the states audit people too, so all the more reason :P
mod6: Well, it's ~$4500 to buy a pre-built corp. Then alf & myself would have to fly down and sign the articles of organization.
mod6: We think that we would probably have a higher base tax liability -- right BingoBoingo ?
mod6: $4500 is quite a bit for where we currently stand financially.
trinque: doesn't fit with my experience of running businesses, typically the thing doesn't post any substantial income in the startup phase
trinque: (it could be that already tax is not a significant slice of your costs, dunno how it works, but would read)
BingoBoingo: <mod6> So we might need to incorporate first. *might* << Or I can apply as a unipersonal
BingoBoingo: <trinque> doesn't fit with my experience of running businesses, typically the thing doesn't post any substantial income in the startup phase << THe big tax incurred would be VAT
mod6: Is the 'unipersonal' like a sole-propritorship ?
trinque: a quick google suggests the rate for distribution of profit is lower than the rate for regular income, which is what I'd have expected, so conceivably BingoBoingo could be compensated in part through his stake in the local corp as profit
trinque: dunno what the "home office" rules are there either, but maybe some rent gets thrown in too
BingoBoingo: trinque: THe substantial VAT here makes things complicated
trinque: yeah, seems like they're income-tax light and sales-tax heavy, eh?
trinque: (which seems pretty damned sane to me, actually)
trinque: er VAT, sales-tax wouldn't be properly descriptive
BingoBoingo: Right. For a comsumer VAT and sales tax look the same, but... ther is a substantial difference
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't have the complete list of assigned ip's, but from .204 through .246 should be unallocated
mircea_popescu: trinque> mod6: seems like a valuable thing to have, local corp << a recurrent observation.