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mircea_popescu: aaand in today's ancientry, "Uite-asa se scurge timpul, si Romania progreseaza, incet-incet, ca melasa, pe lungul drum al prefacerii intru devenire, a construirii unei societati a viitorului, in care omul nou sa traiasca vesnic si sa nu faca nimic cu toata vesnicia aia."
mircea_popescu: and this is pre-bitcoin even!
mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800. ☟︎☟︎
mod6: This will be the price used when determining invoicing this month. I am working with / have been working with ben to get all of these settled.
mod6: I am hoping to get invoices for July out in the 48 hours.
mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform : Dulap's quarterly service was finished at the end of june. So we need to figure out if you want to pay for dulap's colocation either quarterly, or yearly. But it does need to include July.
mod6: No worries, just let me know what works, and we'll get a price figured out.
mod6: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Ben and I worked out a prorated amount for UY3 for the month of July. It comes to a total of 19 days, which will amount to: 0.03542985 ☟︎
mod6: If you decide to go-production with this machine after July, we'll then add in the new drives (when they arrive) and figure out a new price at that point.
mircea_popescu: a right, lessee
mircea_popescu: !!invoices
mircea_popescu: !!receivedinvoices
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BHwQH/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: mod6 go ahead an' invoice. i recall now seeing something like this b4 but no invoice either. ☟︎
mod6: For S.MG's UY3 then?
mircea_popescu: well the july bit above.
mod6: Yup, gotcha. Will fire one up here in just a few moments.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall, did you ever include the rationale, past "ben and i worked out" ?
mircea_popescu: !!reject-invoice lobbes 2
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TBdsE/?raw=true
mod6: he lead me through all of the calculations. let me dig some of it up for you.
mircea_popescu: ^ that being the "accidentally paid 2017 invoice again" item that led to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831526 and the change in counts. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 16:01 mircea_popescu: so trinque could it be possible to not be possible to pay the same invoice twice cuz that's the point of invoices in the first place, they should die once paid
mod6: So the 0.03542985 includes the price of the physical box, and a charge for rack space. we broke this down into a daily cost, then multiplied it by 19, as we figured this out on the 12th. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 0.03542985/19*30
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 0.0559418684211
mod6: it was like:
mircea_popescu: this ~same item that ran me 0.475 for a whole year ?
mod6: !Qcalc (((0.42967914/12)+0.022)/31)*19
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0354298485484
mod6: mircea_popescu: um, I actually don't know what was factored in for the whole year. my guess is that one may have had a discount for paying a whole year in advance. where this number has a bit of a higher margin for month-to-month.
mod6: ben_vulpes: any comment on this when you get a chance? ^
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/ << esthlos - Log Reading, Week 3
mircea_popescu: lol. aaanyways, i've no problem with the three cents, go ahead an' invoice.
mod6: Alright, on it.
mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.03542985 July 2018 prorated invoice for UY3
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKOzk/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!pay-invoice mod6 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w2F1i/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: let's see if we can get you sorted out with a whole coin :D
mircea_popescu: "So this week's post is late." has such a ring of familiarity about it.
mod6: !!v AC89739413698263AF8E7C738E2EB868109ED900600651DBD3E07B0C140366BC
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.03542985 << July 2018 prorated invoice for UY3
mod6: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CWdgN/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: esthlos http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/#footnote_1_30 << what's that mean ?! ☟︎
mod6: anyway, sorry about that, it took me a few minutes to get the invoice processed. not sure if it let you pay that invoice before I did the whole !!v thing.
mircea_popescu: if i understand the mechanics correctly it'll work fine.
mod6: ah. didnt see it in my !!ledger.
mircea_popescu: that's why it'll work fine. seems to me it creates a symbol when asked, but only checks once !!v'd. since i've not done that yet, it didn't matter you hadn't yet !!v'd atthye time i !!pay-i'd.
mod6: ahh. herp.
mod6: my bad.
trinque: mircea_popescu: correct
mod6: anyway, no rush.
mod6: I'm gonna be around a bit, but we can always talk about what you wanna do with Dulap tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: i dunno wanna do anything with it tomorrow
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean talk tomorrow. lol. sure, dun worry about it.
mod6: yeah, :]
mircea_popescu: we can always talk tomorrow about what you wanna do with Dulap!
mod6: haha, indeed.
ben_vulpes: mod6: discount for paying for a year in advance, there are also two fuckgoats in that machine
mircea_popescu: and more drives ?
asciilifeform: mod6: dulap is a colo, recall, it wasn't sold
asciilifeform: ( unlike the smg units )
mod6: oh. alright, the price that I invoiced Mr. Popescu for correct tho right (what we came up with on the ~12th)
mod6: asciilifeform: correct. technically we should have figured out the quarterly or yearly contract at the end of june.
mircea_popescu is not even going to ask what this overselling does to his insurance for the other machine :D
mod6: heheh, this is a fair point here.
asciilifeform: mod6: let's make this tomorrow, i'm about to fall down, gotta sleep
mod6: np.
mod6: last point here: if UY3 goes into production, I think we'll just buy another machine as insurance.
mod6: Can't hurt to have that hot-spare. I quite like the idea.
asciilifeform: btw there is still a cold spare in the rack ( s.nsa spare )
mod6: *nod* good to know.
mod6: ok asciilifeform, get some sleep. I'm about to do the same. we can pick it up tomorrow.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform in favour of lending it to e.g. smg , in hour of need
mod6: sure.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: awesome
asciilifeform bbl
mod6: ni ni
ben_vulpes: in unrelated http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656658 , ben_vulpes moving to texas to whip trinque's oarsmen, re-plumb engineroom, stand watch over gauges ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 22:36 mircea_popescu: "Somewhat fortunately Balsamiq was too successful for that, and Giacomo was forced to hire more and more people. Balsamiq is now being built by 25 members, who service around 0.5M customers and manage 10,000 new transactions a month. All of it generating about $7M a year." << this is actually a model-run business. had nfi mp-style even exists in fiat world, but lo and behold. took 10 years to get to 7mn a year, sustainably.
mircea_popescu mashed kbd apparently when pressing yes, test.sh got saved as test.sht, system couldn't magically find script anymoar, 5 minute haphazard luls ensued.
mircea_popescu: apparently i don't even need to run it for this judgmental box to have an oppinion on my skillz.
mod6: :D
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837653 << recent example would be http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835763 and the few posts following . ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 03:08 mircea_popescu: esthlos http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/#footnote_1_30 << what's that mean ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 01:07 asciilifeform: my only disagreement was re the notion that this is necessarily The Right Thing for erry proggy, as some sort of counter to 'rmsism'
mircea_popescu: well, alf's oft peculiar assumption set isn't what i had in mind when discussing information density. but instead, two aspects : on one hand, that the amount of learned refrences is staggering even for academic discourse (the academitards cheat, by selecting a very narrow set of possible reference points and agreeing on it in advance) ; and then the more one knows, the more things unfold, exactly in the manner i end up watchi
mircea_popescu: ng some movies twenty fucking times.
esthlos: I see. yeah, following the references, reading the trilema articles, etc. are half the work of reading the logs. and when skipped, render the logs opaque
mircea_popescu: and when followed, render the logs exponentially larger, because wait a fucking minute, is THAT implied the other implication of item from three days ago ?
mircea_popescu: most (private) attempts to do what you're doing i know of died the death of the look-behead.
mircea_popescu: behind*
esthlos: lol please don't behead poor esthlos :)
mircea_popescu: lol
esthlos: keeping the summaries allowe me to track the threads of implications. i have nfi how people manage otherwise. though my rote memory sux
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815822 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 23:09 mircea_popescu: "ia, not ai."
esthlos: but not all the threads. conversations that go on for years and years? this thing is the fucking talmud
mircea_popescu: most [important] conversations are ongoing for many years. they basically happen in this select group of complex interplay.
mircea_popescu: you're perhaps familiar with the theory of sets to the degree the discussion of cardinal of sets in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594980 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 19:32 mircea_popescu: fortunately, mathematics is simple. V is the set of all sets. by convention, the first index, V0, is the empty set.
mircea_popescu: the problem of indirection layers is directly an equivalent of this, because "what is this conversation REALLY about" permits in principle an open ended reskinning of every conversation. which is somethingt that happens all the fucking time, because we CAN discuss chess in terms of girl-on-girl on-cam action, and half the time we also do.
esthlos: you know, I was in fiat job today, and I realized how badly I needed a global namespace for threads. no wonder no one get anything done
mircea_popescu: which is why it's so HARD to ~correctly~ identify actual cases of utter breakage in the sense of "alf is an assumptive idiot" or "mp is millitantly ignorant" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: hard for the not-exactly-ungifted peole in the very question, first of all. because well...
esthlos: hmm, but to be clear, are you saying that what any person is saying on any ~single~ posting is open to interpretation? because this sounds like hermeneutical approach which lead to the protestant uprising and other bla bla
mircea_popescu: (and by "select group" above i meant "group of threads/"ideal objects sorted in trees" more properly speaking. not groups of people. this sadly isn't at all evident from context, but i caught it on re-read. half the time though, it IS "evident" on the basis of cousins six removed)
mircea_popescu: esthlos there's no other approach available besides interpretation. there's no some way to "read the true reading" in the manner you can ingurgitate an apple.
mircea_popescu: protestants can uprise all they want for all the good it'll do them.
mircea_popescu: !#s think in terms of
a111: 115 results for "think in terms of", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=think%20in%20terms%20of
mircea_popescu: omfg only a hundred times explicitly ? wink wink drudge drudge.
mircea_popescu: esthlos you ever read the discussion of the dragonfly's brain ?
esthlos: but surely, a dense subset of these sets are uninteresting? there has to be some mechanism to reduce things to some polynomial blowup. or are things really just beyond our grasp?
mircea_popescu: not dense, but very large. the problem with it is that it's not dense.
esthlos: no, though I love watching those bastards zip around and hunt
mircea_popescu: alright, here : http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/#selection-51.0-63.503
mircea_popescu: the thing with that is, people obviously don't fly about the room doing 100 body lengths a second while catching bugs and jumping right out of inept frog's mouth all cool as shit.
esthlos: if set of interesting sets is dense in set of all interpretations, how can we proceed?
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER they do exactly the same in this field of representation. MUCH MORE so, exponentially rather than proportionally when compared to the dragonfly, people sort and select through utterly staggering piles of alternative constructs.
esthlos: yes. didn't you just link an uncle al about this?
mircea_popescu: esthlos the problem is that it's neither dense nor sparse. and i dunno how we can proceed. moreover, i suspect goedel says we can not proceed.
mircea_popescu: i thought alf did.
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-28#1491930 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-06-28 04:35 asciilifeform: http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/create.htm << obligatory.
esthlos: that we can assemble a semi-coherent reality is only topped by the existence of a semi-coherent reality
mircea_popescu: rather that we manage to will a coherent approximation of reality into existence. because it's what we're doing, yes, and we need all these complex tools to keep it from becoming either self contradictory, disjointed or else derealized.
esthlos: go
esthlos: ^^ ignore
esthlos: not to trivialize, but are you a schopenhauer fan then? or a more broad idealist?
mircea_popescu: im not an idealist at all.
esthlos: ok, seems like I was overindexing on "will"
mircea_popescu: but you do realise that "your wife" is not your wife in the sense your weight is your weight, yes ? you just want her to be -- hopefully both of you.
esthlos: yes, my "wife" wears the white pumps https://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2006/12/if_this_is_one_of_the_sexiest.html
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: well, so in that sense "will". we agree on things such as "how things should be" or "this is cool" or "this sucks" w/e in the precise manner.
esthlos: gotcha
esthlos: aw shit it's past bedtime. night
mircea_popescu: tada
jurov: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837291 i don't know either, only found this barf in the log: ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 20:37 asciilifeform: currently i'm curious re why jurov's eater barfed
jurov: Jul 22 19:02:37 2018 (10402) Error verifying message: gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
jurov: gpg: decrypt_message failed: Unknown system error
jurov: also there was expired version of your key, but it was expired since 2016, so that shouldn't be the culprit
asciilifeform: jurov: what do you get if you try and verify by hand with that same gpg ? ( and incidentally, which gpg is it )
jurov: it passed
asciilifeform: interesting
jurov: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.28
asciilifeform: ugh
jurov: well, the server is older that the fatwa aginst gpg2
asciilifeform: also why is decrypt_message even called ? there's no encryption in the loop
jurov: will have to check, maybe --verify calls it too
jurov: oh it calls decrypt to compute the checksum of original unescaped text, prolly something left from the ancient spec
asciilifeform: jurov: any gpg bug , even in the sad 2.x , is potentially very interesting. i'd like to learn what happened .
jurov: sure. i couldn't reproduce this
mod6: evenin'