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mod6: Evenin'
mod6: Lords and Ladies of TMSR~, The Bitcoin Foundation's monthly State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-May/000329.html ☟︎
mod6: http://104.131.72.249/log/2019-05-01#1910410 << >> http://104.131.72.249/log/2019-04-17#1908744 << I still need to get familiarized with this. I haven't had a chance yet in April. Will try to dig in over the next week.
mod6: For what it's worth, still probably way out of my element on the whole thing, but can't hurt to read up on it.
spyked: !!up spyked_trvl
deedbot: spyked_trvl voiced for 30 minutes.
spyked: hmmm. odd. it seems spyked_trvl can't up itself, even tho I rated it. trinque, any idea why?
spyked: anyways, greetings from the shores of Bega!
spyked still eatin' dem logz
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910134 <-- makes lotsa sense, actually, so I'll leave it until someone for some reason needs to put a trilemabot in their logbot ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 21:10 lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910057 << while not necessarily mutually exclusive, I understood the two branches as "those who want to import postgres as a dependence (logbot/logbot-command-router) and those who don't (ircbot/trilemabot)".
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910275 <-- http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-22#1816494 , http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837150 (possibly other threads) ☝︎☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 12:17 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910244 -> bwahaha, so smecher -> slut and fetii mosului -> the girls of the mosque, it might be on to something there; but yes, wooden tongue 2.0; I keep having deja vu on this but I can't quite turn it up if indeed it was discussed previously with same conclusion.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 05:05 mircea_popescu: google translate works exceedingly well on text not worth reading.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 16:53 mircea_popescu: spykedbot well, the google translate approach is dubious at best, but at least ~it handles all inputs~. this is an important property.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910378 <-- do you mean the http side of the logotron? I'm quite interested in reading&signing a CL-based httptron, for multiple purposes. is to be one of the high-priority items on my list, unless lobbes wants a stab at it ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 05:46 lobbes: So with the release of the auctionbot vpatch the next item up in my list was the auto-bidding. However, I'm thinking I may bump the "logotron for #pizarro" item up (eventually releasing as a vpatch). Going to take a stab at making it 100% common lisp.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910403 <-- ftr, /me plans to post the next items on his todo list sometime next week, after a coupla photoposts ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:03 mp_en_viaje: and speaking of things on the todo list : http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-24#1904208 ? http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901636 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904685 ?
spyked: until then, list remains open for new items (although it's not like there isn't enough there as it is)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910420 <-- did I miss mp_en_viaje in timisoara? I'm here until cca saturday, lemme know if you're around :D ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 13:18 mp_en_viaje is in the exact lounge of http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/#selection-75.0-79.116
spyked off to walk and all that, while the weather's still lovely
mircea_popescu: hot damn.
mircea_popescu: so deedbot doesn't work because apaprently p.bvulpes is dead ☟︎
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, ^
mircea_popescu: phf, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910230 << done meanwhile ; should be ok now. ☝︎☟︎☟︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 08:17 mp_en_viaje: ah so ~any time in may works ? ok, ima definitely get to it by then.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910425 << i see 38. but w/e, gotta start somewhere. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 13:58 diana_coman: does #trilema even have 50 users? lolz
mircea_popescu: besides, i don't even believe the comparison's adequate. as experience proves time and again, every single other channel is 100% a by-headcount affair, there's no substance and no quality anywhere else, but strictly a brutish dedication to quantity. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: trilema may exist in any count ; nothing else may dare pretend to existence short of millions. precisely in the manner a good car may cost whatever it costs ; but a cheap car'd better be fucking cheap.
mircea_popescu: and so it goes -- i spend hours here gladly each day ; i can barely summon the interest by the quarter hour, sporadically, a time or two ~in all eternity~ for some other joint. the same standards eminently do not apply, can't possibly apply.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910431 << myeah, turns out the only possible manner of running wireless off laptop is by cabling into router and setting router to connect to wifi. ridoinculous concoction, but what can you do. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 14:46 asciilifeform: ( and iirc even there, had to hand-patch the module sores so it'd reset properly )
mircea_popescu doesn't so much care, is motorized.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910453 << then again nothing factually has to happen for the pantsuit to pantsuit. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 16:27 asciilifeform: iguess usg accomplished ~sumthing~, lol, nao they can stink about 'spooled onto tank treads' for 30 yrs like they do over cn
mircea_popescu: here, have an example, in shape of joke merchant trying to size me up offered :
mircea_popescu: putin goes to visit school, kids are invited to ask him a question. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: school administration tells kids they really shouldn't ask any questions that aren't burning and of great interest to them personally.
mircea_popescu: the mommentuous occasion occurs, kid raises hand
mircea_popescu: "my name's sasha and i want to ask : why did you invade the ukraine ?"
mircea_popescu: everyone gasps, "omfg, THIS is what's burning you ?" and then just as putin starts "well...." the bell rings and class is dismissed.
mircea_popescu: after break they reconvene. "any kids wanna ask questions ?"
mircea_popescu: this obnoxious точило cunt with the requisite humongo glasses, misshapen teeth etc raises her hand
mircea_popescu: "i have three questions : why did you invade the ukraine, what happened to my classmate sasha and why did the bell ring halfway through the period"
mircea_popescu: the idea being, transparently enough, that in pantsuitist alt-reality "putin [as pantsuit defines the term] can
mircea_popescu: never win [as idem]" because "all authority can do is multiply the questions", see, had they not "kidnapped sasha" there'd be fewer "questions to answer" and someone gives a shit etcetera.
mircea_popescu: entirely no need of any actual events for globalwarmingourdemocracyblablabla word fountain to sprout strings.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910484 << the alternative being what, "subway to office to be rich" ? nicole has some stories about how that goes. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 17:04 asciilifeform: they not only breed but the n+1st gen goes 'yeah i'ma live here, and wake up at 400hrs for matins, and then drive tractor, or horse if out of petrol' and it goes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910507 << grows plenty of places, is not very good. why is new world wine still piss, after a century+ of trial and pretense ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 18:25 asciilifeform: for that matter, equator is not only in south amer, lol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910534 << kinda stuck with remote-install until we actually have a standard thing. superficially one could lay into pizarro, "you dorks, get a standard os going already", but a) only likely effect is to provide yet another crevice to hide from only job of pizarro, which still sits undone ; b) it's unclear they have the manpower anyway and c) in relation to b it's neither desirable to limit ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 19:37 diana_coman: myeah; I'm not a fan of remote-install anything for that matter but anyway.
mircea_popescu: it historically worked -- eg trinque birthed cuntoo etc.
mircea_popescu: so... yeah, it's a dubiously disagregate situation currently.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910550 << having a pile of amds is not the worst fate. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910082 and all that. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 20:26 asciilifeform: it saddens asciilifeform to end up loading up on x86 , but unless there is sudden breakthrough , this is what must be done
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:33 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910006 << there is, for the record, nothing disqualifying or "bad" about 15 year old kernels. for one thing, pretty muich all the cpus that can be used for any serious purpose are that old or older ; for the other thing i actually use kernels that are that old or older.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910575 << certainly a standard worth trying to hold on to ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 22:24 asciilifeform: i.e. 100% 'blobless' boot, like rk.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding richard stallman's shameful fraudulent claims on the topic. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: that the inane cocksucker does spent as much as one waking hour at any point doing anything besides sucking our collective dick for this is in itself such an immoral affront to any sense and all sensibility as few pantsuits could ever hope to match.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910580 << prolly time to drop the phraseology and settle for a more adequately modest http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/082-tmsr-schedule-i.html sorta thing, "this is what i intend to do". doesn't it get akward to "oh, state of bitcoin address, mod6 did this mod6 did that mod6 did the other" ? ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 00:28 mod6: Lords and Ladies of TMSR~, The Bitcoin Foundation's monthly State of Bitcoin Address: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2019-May/000329.html
mircea_popescu: frankness always the winning policy ; and besides, always better to make these as ~forward looking~ statements, for the same reason it helps people trying to lose weight.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910599 << ima leave for belgrade tomorrow morning ; we can set something up for today but gotta move limberly. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 07:16 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910420 <-- did I miss mp_en_viaje in timisoara? I'm here until cca saturday, lemme know if you're around :D
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910609 -> absolutely true. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:04 mircea_popescu: besides, i don't even believe the comparison's adequate. as experience proves time and again, every single other channel is 100% a by-headcount affair, there's no substance and no quality anywhere else, but strictly a brutish dedication to quantity.
mircea_popescu: did you see those irc channels with "games", ie bot spam ?
diana_coman: I tried all sorts of channels but it *very quickly* gets so annoying that I can't stand it even just looking at it occasionaly
mircea_popescu: myeah
diana_coman: re p.bvulpes - we actually don't have any alternative there, do we?
mircea_popescu: not really. some vague discussion re implementing an img pastebin i saw somwhere, that meanwhile apparently disappeared.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, do you recall what was the format for exclusion on btcbase search ?
diana_coman: hm, no
mircea_popescu: well, i can't fucking find it. it was a kinda cool pastebin like thing, had a very retro look, like a qr code or soemsuch
mircea_popescu: someone was even going to implement it, which is the last i heard of it. ☟︎
diana_coman: it seems to me that there are sadly quite a few things that end up like that and it's infuriating
diana_coman: lost like that, I mean, ugh
mircea_popescu: myeah.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-06#1900585 << found it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-03-06 09:41 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-05#1900506 <-- I defo wanna make this, can start working on it after I finish the current scheduled items . I'm missing some deadlines myself (got sidetracked by the more urgent need for mirroring gutenberg) and currently working to get back on track
mircea_popescu: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910605 http://archive.is/EUx19 seems indeed back in business. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:02 mircea_popescu: phf, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910230 << done meanwhile ; should be ok now.
diana_coman: quite recent actually, huh
mircea_popescu: coupla months.
diana_coman: did anyone try to talk to the guy behind it?
diana_coman: oh boy, it's cloudflare, now I get it
mircea_popescu: yes, someone tried to talk to the guy behind it -- pretty sure the someone was me ; pretty sure it went substantially like "techrights" thing recently.
mircea_popescu: it's remarkably how exactly the same these go once one's experienced enough to distinguish the irrelevancy they compose their "personality" and "differences" and "speshulness" out of.
diana_coman: it's such a well-worn ditch they dug themselves into that there isn't even an alternative failure mode anymore, huh
mircea_popescu: perpetually and predictably the exact same "well, so far incan empire's feeding me slop, so ima sit on ass and be skeptical about things". hence all the references to that wunderbar story of prikoke
diana_coman: from github for that project it seemed it's a chinese guy too so I'd have hoped perhaps not exactly same,hm.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, higher life's just not a calling.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, yes, but this hope is naive. in practice http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882391 / http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-20#1882393 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 15:46 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform on meditation, that piece makes it plainly evident redditardation is ~generational~, not ideological. there sit the russki kids, who'd be in a fine position to understand the problem. god knows they have much better access to much better priors that readily illuminate it.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-20 15:51 mircea_popescu: but instead, "совки vs. либерасты" hurr. they reconstructed "the dilemma", truly more meaningful than their lesser brethren's "coke vs pepsi", but to them ~just as meaningless~. the fucking point is that they ~want~ the "superiority" of http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#footnote_5_53722
diana_coman: I suppose the slop-feeding is in itself test enough - if one actually likes it and doesn't ever see any problem with it then it's precisely fit, what.
mircea_popescu: russian, chinese, qatari, in the end there's no such thing as nationality. burta ai, minte ce-ti mai trebuie. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, no argument.
mircea_popescu: "Linia dintre noi a fost trasa de strada. Tu stai pe-a ta, eu stau pe-a mea.. ramine-asa."
diana_coman: cam asa, doar burti, ugh.
mircea_popescu: the one true nation of poor people is Stupid.
asciilifeform waves to mircea_popescu et al
mircea_popescu: heya
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910603 << confirmed, fell down. hey trinque , iirc you know where to find ben_vulpes, wake'im up plox ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:01 mircea_popescu: so deedbot doesn't work because apaprently p.bvulpes is dead
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910605 << confirmed, worx ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:02 mircea_popescu: phf, http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910230 << done meanwhile ; should be ok now.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910609 << i've yet to encounter that mythical beast -- heathen chan that's distinguishable from sewer ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:04 mircea_popescu: besides, i don't even believe the comparison's adequate. as experience proves time and again, every single other channel is 100% a by-headcount affair, there's no substance and no quality anywhere else, but strictly a brutish dedication to quantity.
mircea_popescu: "work is ongoing
mircea_popescu: "
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910612 << if it's an older lappy, can do what i did with 'x60' ( stuff in 'atheros' mpci card ) , these -- worked ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:08 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910431 << myeah, turns out the only possible manner of running wireless off laptop is by cabling into router and setting router to connect to wifi. ridoinculous concoction, but what can you do.
mircea_popescu: i literally attached a router.
asciilifeform has done this on many occasions
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910633 << there's actually not 1 but 2 'standard os' available in piz ( 'rk' and 'dulap' tarballs ) but both are stone age gentoos, they are obsoleted by cuntoo (when the latter is pronounced baked, but really even nao, it is impossible to e.g. 'emerge' packages on the vintage gentoo, the upstream package repos went full tard year ago ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:33 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910534 << kinda stuck with remote-install until we actually have a standard thing. superficially one could lay into pizarro, "you dorks, get a standard os going already", but a) only likely effect is to provide yet another crevice to hide from only job of pizarro, which still sits undone ; b) it's unclear they have the manpower anyway and c) in relation to b it's neither desirable to limit
asciilifeform: ( these gentoos were based on what asciilifeform uses personally in torture room. )
asciilifeform: ( and gotta be replaced with cuntoo )
mircea_popescu: standard rather in the sense of definitive.
asciilifeform: aa
asciilifeform: that'd be cuntoo, as i understand. sorta whole pt.
asciilifeform: where includes working vtron, muslgnat, etc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910618 << lol, 'headless mutant' of typical sovokjoak structure ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:11 mircea_popescu: putin goes to visit school, kids are invited to ask him a question.
asciilifeform: ( where's 'head' ? there's nuffin there )
mircea_popescu: right ? cancerous fags at work.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910631 << i defo aint expert on subj, but what means 'not very good' coca ? afaik there is exactly 1 active organic in it -- 'not good' is simply when less ? oughta still be worth sumthing neh ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:29 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910507 << grows plenty of places, is not very good. why is new world wine still piss, after a century+ of trial and pretense ?
asciilifeform: i.e. wine is not directly analogous product, where complex mixture
mircea_popescu: im no great expert in the matter, but apparently there is such a thing.
asciilifeform: i expect it means 'so little cocaine as to not be worth extracting' then. ( must be similar to the case with the poison frog ? y'know, the little colourful one. they grow a++ in terrarium, but entirely safe to eat )
mircea_popescu: the objection is sound on the face, but nevertheless for some unknown to me reason it seems not to prevail.
mircea_popescu: very similar process with opium, as well. burma had cvasi-monopoly in classival world. why ? certainly not because sent agents to kill anyone at unknown distances.
mircea_popescu: and even today, the poppy zones are VERY specific.
asciilifeform: this entirely troo. in south sovok we had both hemp and poppies growing wild, neither was smoked by ~anyone
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's because not finds ants it needs for poison. if you feed it ants in terrarium, poisonous.
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: (me knows this specifically, has seen the frog in question with own eyes, grown etc)
asciilifeform: neato.
asciilifeform did not grow frog. only saw in bmore 'national aquarium' thing.
mircea_popescu: somewhat common in cr
asciilifeform: iirc errything connected with the ameri-tropics is common in cr.
asciilifeform: from alligator to jaguar
mircea_popescu: jsutabout yea
diana_coman: asciilifeform: re dulap-tarball, does that mean that it's in fact *that* the gentoo image hanbot was looking for as stepping stone towards cuntoo? i.e. deploy that first and then from there move on to cuntoo?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it's what you have on s.mg primary machine
asciilifeform: there is not however a mechanism for 'convert from stone age gentoo to cuntoo w/out nuking disk', afaik .
diana_coman: yes but I struggle to understand why was it that hanbot struggled so much with getting a cuntoo first since apparently there is actually this image that is frozen and usable
asciilifeform: ( it is in principle possible to make such a thing, but no one afaik has attempted , and i cannot immediately think re how to approach )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: depends what means 'usable'
asciilifeform: it's what's on s.mg an' dulap. but defo obsolete, it's a stone age glibc-based gentoo.
diana_coman: as far as I understood it, she was simply trying to get some gentoo system installed first i.e. to have A system, not that much to be able to emerge new stuff or whatever
asciilifeform: if you want another s.mg-style box, can be baked very quickly. but it does not reduce the amount of sweat needed to install cuntoo at later point.
asciilifeform: cuz destructive process.
asciilifeform: dulap-gentoo is essentially same item as rk gentoo, and is installed same way.
asciilifeform: iirc hanbot was ~not~ working from dulap-gentoo tho, but from an even older bootstick image.
asciilifeform: ( dulap-gentoo does not boot from stick, it requires working hdd to install )
asciilifeform: to be maximally pedantic : both 'dulap' and 'rk' gentoo tarballs were created by literally tarring up the contents of two respective boxes where asciilifeform hand-sewed a gentoo based on the classic 2015-era 'kill list' gentoo recipe.
asciilifeform: ( on each, 'rebuild world' was executed, bins rebuilt with asciilifeform's flags etc )
asciilifeform: ave1's musltronic gnat does run on each, and so do the musltronic bins it births. however the system utils are still glibcistic.
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman built the cuntoo that runs on the 2nd s.mg box, on this gentoo.
asciilifeform: so this is known to work.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: that was a proto-cuntoo, essentially not exactly the current cuntoo
asciilifeform: rright but i expect the current item will build similarly
diana_coman: I suppose I'll just have to carve some time and do it.
asciilifeform: afaik no one yet confirmed that this is so re: trinque's latest cut.
asciilifeform brb:teatime
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910594 << well, I was going to attack it in pieces anyways, so actually if you want to do the CL-based httptron portion, I'd happily read/sign/use. Ultimately, I figure I'm going to need to first build a 'backend' that pulls the log data from the postgres db (probably using postmodern), and then the 'frontend' or app server that handles client requests (e.g. GET + POST), ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 07:11 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910378 <-- do you mean the http side of the logotron? I'm quite interested in reading&signing a CL-based httptron, for multiple purposes. is to be one of the high-priority items on my list, unless lobbes wants a stab at it
lobbes: though it seems like lots of people here use hunchentoot for that purpose, and it seems that hunchentoot is easily modified to interface with apache through mod_lisp ☟︎
lobbes: now somewhere in all THAT, I'll need something to *generate* the html with, so to come full loop I would not be sad if a spyked cl-http-generator existed.
lobbes: *html generator
mircea_popescu: this is getting ridoinculous
asciilifeform: lobbes: the html gen thing is where i stopped with the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906630 item ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 15:01 asciilifeform: i dun have the mempool observatory node working yet, so am currently unable to say whether this is widespread problem or asciilifeform simply 'got lucky' errytime
asciilifeform: ( and, earlier, with 'cl phuctor frontend' and possibly other minor proggies )
asciilifeform: none of these currently on front burner, but will be 9000x easier to revive if meanwhile lobbes et al produce an edible cl 'wwwism kit' ☟︎☟︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> never win [as idem]" because "all authority can do is multiply the questions", see, had they not "kidnapped sasha" there'd be fewer "questions to answer" and someone gives a shit etcetera. << Watching Pantsuit run against the actual popularity of Maduro has been a trip. "Yes, all the venezolanos you talk to hate Maduro, but how poor were they? How poor are they now?"
mircea_popescu: o hey, deedbot is back to voicing ppls
asciilifeform: p.bvulpes up
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, pretty lulzy.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, so what was it ?
BingoBoingo: Literally no one outside the republic can imagine 2/3 of Venezuelans have always been so poor that Maduro has reduced their percieved relative poverty to bringing everyone else to their level.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what did yer vz chix have to say on the subj ?
asciilifeform: ( she still comes up for air ? or vanished )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They aren't poor so they'd like to see their country back. Still comes up for air. Has too many old folks latched onto her to answer the human shield calls.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform played tape of said chix for pet. pet : 'why didntcha take her home! i want' )
BingoBoingo: The six car garage has yet to be redistributed.
mircea_popescu: tape ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had camera thingie for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-17#1908897 -ism ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-17 21:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i take the pics mostly for self, to occasionally look at and remember that there ~is~ an outside
mircea_popescu: aha ?
asciilifeform: iirc caught half minute of BingoBoingo's spanish lesson, or what it was.
mircea_popescu: "Now that the country's traditional extractive and heavy industries have gone or are in decline, Wales' economy depends on the public sector, light and service industries and tourism. "
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this supposed to even mean, "economy depends on public sector"
asciilifeform: i.e. fed via arse-mouth system ?
BingoBoingo: Wales runs as long as the lenders stay insane
mircea_popescu: nfi what it's supposed t omean, but down with maduro.
BingoBoingo: The local tv is playing Maduro on repeat today. "Que llegó la hora de combatir"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910642 << before this thread lost -- it is interesting to asciilifeform , 'apu1' is the 1 (afaik) x64 box still in production where you can actually boot with 100% selfbuilt bios. and 0 discussion of it anywhere on net, aside from tmsr. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 11:41 mircea_popescu: notwithstanding richard stallman's shameful fraudulent claims on the topic.
asciilifeform: not even rare or expensive box, a hundy an' a half.
mircea_popescu: the net is too busy with amateurish excursions in phonetics navelgrazing, on the strong basis of how shit sounds to randos and a complete ignorance of phonetic notation.
asciilifeform: busy deep inside own arse aha
mircea_popescu: if at least they picked carpentry or something, they'd run out of fingetrs.
asciilifeform: oh apropos, luvvly lulz : in asciilifeform's old uni, they had 'grand opening' of massive 9story glass monster for 'comp sci dept' . guess what inside ? carpentry, sewing shops!
mircea_popescu: better than githubbing
asciilifeform: and 'tutoring halls' run by 'assoc for women in kompyooting' ( to help 'diversity' , i.e. folx who can't pass the (massively watered down in past 2 decades ) curriculum
asciilifeform: in dept, nao 4000+ warm bodies, of which 700 claimed female. ( in asciilifeform's time, was ~400, and maybe 1 platoon of female, all wearing hijabs )
mircea_popescu: tech jobs!
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: carpentry hall nominally cuz 'robots are in nao'
asciilifeform wondered what then folx do in the 'engineering' hall across the street
BingoBoingo: Engineering probably just does python in their materials labs.
asciilifeform: i was not able to get an answer re why the room with sewing machines. (thought 'maybe programmable, like jaquard's loom?' but looked, nope, 'singer' )
asciilifeform: then went to 'engineering' . and saw, ~100% to do with toy choppers
asciilifeform: 8, 16, 32 propellers, 'raspberry pi', duct tape.
asciilifeform: these reliably produce 'papers', the currency of academitardia, so bottomless appetite.
asciilifeform: recently usb banned the use of toy choppers in the open street, so they built a thing resembling tennis court. grad students on ladders pry the little broken corpses out of the ceiling net.
asciilifeform: *usg banned
asciilifeform: asciilifeform to indian d00d : 'so you folx write the soft?' 'what write, 'ardupilot' '
mircea_popescu: heh
mircea_popescu: yet usg is not to blame.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in 'materials lab', coupla deca-mil$ of irons sit idly eating mains current. where http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910137 . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 21:50 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform met with some meatspace folx who rent out time on sem & ion beam station by the hr. 'bout a hundy per hr.
mircea_popescu: i once knew a rich man. he, like so many, had head well infested with goange, for some reason idiotic notion of monogamy, etcetera. predictably ended up with single wife, but "proper", "classy" whatever nonsense (as opposed to much more adequate whore) and predictably her only product was al
mircea_popescu: so mentally retarded.
mircea_popescu: instead of hanging the abomination, dood constructed elaborate retardarium, where retard's diminutive capacities could be supported and entertained.
asciilifeform: oh hey mircea_popescu was this the same fella who later was found dead on street, and the anatomists found no reason why, 'simply tired of living' ?
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck is wrong with you ?" "what! when my father had a stroke, patience and working out every day the diminished capacities remaining saw him cured within the year"
mircea_popescu: "o yeah ? and how long's this scandalous idiocy ongoing ?" "about four years" "this suggests nothing to you ?" "we're just not fallen on the exact right exercise regimen"
asciilifeform: pretty sad. why didnt he at least birth another 1
mircea_popescu: ustardian optimism, instead of hanging the retards they construct them terrariums, where 20somethings can play at being nine, and perhaps before the decade's out progress to being 10 yo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it's what you get out of "all's nurture" pantsuitism.
mircea_popescu: because, obviously, "what do you want me to do, hang them ?" "yes" "but that does nothing to help them" "precisely".
asciilifeform: sounds like the stage at which fella oughta take up motorcycle, or better still, single-engined prop plane, at least live a little and shorten the misery years
asciilifeform: phunphakt, moar usg army d00dz during iraq years, dead on 'harley' than in the field. 1 way to perma-escape 'dependopotamus'...
mircea_popescu: the reproductively-minded wealthy male has no sane answer to "why not just go to ghetto, get young cunts by the dozen and do the work well"
asciilifeform at the time was working , un-uniformed , in army lab thing, and force to sit for 'motorcycle safety class', despite having never owned motorcycle.
asciilifeform: 'you wanna park auto on the grounds ? get rubber stamp there'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'ma guess story took place in europistan. in usa, 'ghetto' means dark meat, and not errybody has taste for same.
mircea_popescu: no, was us. and wtf, "taste". you wanna procreate or you wanna copulate ? if the former, forget "taste", do your duty eh. if the latter, wtf are you making kids for,
asciilifeform: herr jefferson approved.
mircea_popescu: duty of man is to make his pick.
mircea_popescu: none of this wishy-washy bs. pick and the path follows.
asciilifeform: i expect by nao tardkid is already 'professor' ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 03:09 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall that story about the dumbest gilr in my hs that ended up a math assistant prof ?
asciilifeform can't for some reason turn up the orig. mega-thread re 'furniture girl'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-19#761488 << there we go ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-07-19 03:15 mircea_popescu: now among this dozen, there was a mentally retarded girl. she wasn't badly touched, maybe 80 or so. definitely enough to take care of herself. definitely not enough for high level math. her parents however were i dun recall what academic country gentry, and so they insisted she go.
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt it.
mircea_popescu: not that i'm even against the effort. if memory serves we ended up with lego out of a very similar preoccupation with turning pig's ears into silk purses. so whatever, i'm sure the ruins of us academia will provide very advanced an' amusing playgrounds for the non-retarded.
mircea_popescu: it's still ridiculous.
asciilifeform: 'race is not always to the swift, but that's where smart money bets'(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: well, rather, smart money does the quotients. "what's the relation between the quotient of the bets on the swift and the fashgionable respectively, and then on their relative swiftnesses ?"
asciilifeform: arthur d. little inc. once sewed silk purse from actual sow's ear. and floated a pb balloon, as advertising stunts, in '20s. but indeed 'remarkable bear, not remarkable dancer'
mircea_popescu: hence the earlier comments. "oh but mp, i don't want to procreate just like that... i want a small count of kids from this one specific woman to raise together bla bla bla" is strict nonsense.
mircea_popescu: one can want such a thing as wine, or red wine, or bordeaux, or even bordeaux from 1957
asciilifeform: 'but want bordeaux '57 from the teat of my sow!111'
mircea_popescu: one can not want such a thing as "red wine in a unicorn shaped glass". that's not properly speaking a want, that's just pretense. dood properly speaking wants to be seen by me (god, whatever, same difference), AS HE SEES HIMSELF.
mircea_popescu: that's the whole fucking story there, he's trying to manipulate my divine perception, so he can rest easy. there's no composed wants like that in nature otherwise.
asciilifeform: tlp's 'feel like a trader' eh
mircea_popescu: right ? so no, dood who "wants to feel like a good person" ends up doing the weirdo monogamous bs etcetera. which is what the original dood did also -- he didn't want the kid, he just wanted for he, himself, to feel like "a good person"
mircea_popescu: constructing a circus for his wife's minotaur eminently served that purpose OF HIS.
asciilifeform: imho straight cargo cult -- fella thought himself to be a product of similar process, didn't see 'why can't do again'
mircea_popescu: otherwise -- if you're poor nobody asked you anything and if you're rich and you want kids, the plough's in your pants and the field's over there, get crackin'.
asciilifeform: 'bbbut the planes came for grandfather in '43, wai not for me'
mircea_popescu: maybe the planes don't like you.
asciilifeform naively imagines it'd sink in by some point, but from mircea_popescu's telling of the story evidently it didn't
asciilifeform: chukcha incidentally very easily conceptualizes 'maybe the gods dun like me'. typically his problem is re the 'wat do'
asciilifeform: ..which resolves always to 'maybe moar walrus offerings'. cuz what else.
mircea_popescu: "but mp... it's not so much i want kids as in the bioproduct... i want to RAISE kids...." "wel then wtf are you making new ones for, plenty of already made needing your cuckservices. go teach highschool."
asciilifeform: relatedly, asciilifeform barfed, tuned out today from #techderps , it's kilometre of join/part liquishit + 'communi^H^H^H^H^Hlinux on desktop by 1980^H^H^H^Hnext year' snoars etc
mircea_popescu somehow unsurprised.
asciilifeform: sorta variation on the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910681 theme. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 12:21 mircea_popescu: russian, chinese, qatari, in the end there's no such thing as nationality. burta ai, minte ce-ti mai trebuie.
mircea_popescu: "your stomach's there, what's a mind needed for", approx.
asciilifeform: for properly dressing up walrus offering, clearly.
asciilifeform: 'this year's best containerization systems on redhat' etc etc garbage.
asciilifeform: 0 followup to last night's thrd, or anyffin of the kind, they have memory span of aquarium fish.
mircea_popescu shrugs
mircea_popescu: not like the logs are going anywhere. by now, there's like one microscopic grouplet like that per quarter, if not month. hundreds.
asciilifeform: i expect there's a ~bottomless supply of those, if (who? for what?) ever needed 1.
mircea_popescu: waiting patiently in buzzing silence for the divine eye to finally recognze in them the princes[es] they always suspected they were.
asciilifeform: they remind asciilifeform of those glue traps for ants. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i had occasion to set 1 up recently, and it had maybe 400 by nightfall, and whoknows maybe they also 'wait for divine eye to finally recognize' etc.
mircea_popescu: you know, that's an interesting application for cheap electronics : include counter.
asciilifeform: would be interesting to count the ants ~leaving~ ( the better traps, are mixed in such a way that some small % can get loose, and bring back friends )
asciilifeform: the 'linux'-flavoured derp traps do seem to have common thread where 'maybe divine eye finally opens' re irons. 'maybe this year china gives us on what to run' etc
asciilifeform: somehow the point is lost on'em, that if for erry 1 $ they spent on 'raspberry' they kept a dime, they could buy half of tmsc co
mircea_popescu: "but what is the point of a national literature ?! for one thing, then you have to read it!"
asciilifeform: i suppose this is unsurprising, the ants also do not , luckily for asciilifeform , know that they collectively exceed him in mass, and could eat him if could all agree
mircea_popescu: it's altogether dubious, this eating business.
mircea_popescu: maybe up to 1800 or so.
asciilifeform: on reflection, there aint much that is mysterious re the opentards' collective failure to bake irons. ( irons require some sorta head, and cannot be baked via 'million fly eyes' process )
mircea_popescu: it is roughly speaking impossible for things to be done by people who don't particularly want to do anything.
mircea_popescu: there's also not that many pregnancies occuring on deserted islands. similar reasons.
asciilifeform: they're able to maintain a kind of optical illusion of activity, but only in re softs
asciilifeform: where much easier
mircea_popescu: and only for as long as the "illusion" consits of self-published chatlogs and other such typographics, and nobody asks any pointed questions.
mircea_popescu: with this style of open book examination, obama even passed for legal mind.
asciilifeform began to see mircea_popescu's point re 'linus set back field by two decades' . the finn's gift to the 'self-published chats' fly eyes folx is moar or less errything they have to work with in re convincing selves that 'yes we do things'
mircea_popescu: just about.
asciilifeform: it's rather like if some scrap dealer took pity on the cargo island folx and gave'em an old boeing carcass.
mircea_popescu: there's a fundamental problem with going into business when you don't mean business : you end up like linus.
asciilifeform: and that's if lucky.
asciilifeform: moar often like murdoch et al.
billymg: !!rate whaack 2 met irl, smart fellow with respectable ambitions. talked of potentially writing republican znc replacement
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/HtINi/?raw=true
billymg: !!v 058AA3F1206F3E7D6A2D5FB5B6ED5DFA0106D68A7D00E09C4788645D36591DF0
deedbot: billymg rated whaack 2 << met irl, smart fellow with respectable ambitions. talked of potentially writing republican znc replacement
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fallout pronfic, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Jarritos/5311615/1222520805/1110.jpg ☟︎
mircea_popescu: !#seen whaack
a111: 2019-04-10 <whaack> !!v CFBFCC094E40EA43B45CEC450C776DA79F2DA8690175F32D3D95C73D296D6394
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742709 << what ever happened to you anyway ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 20:46 whaack: diana_conman: cool, when I get back to it I'll try switching out my gnat/gcc first
whaack: as I mentioned in the logs a while back http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-07#1666967 i wound up moving to Costa Rica for quite a while with the plan to fix my ESLness and get out of the US. I was in Tamarindo for about a year and a half, and during that time I fell into the hedonistic lifestyle of a surf bum ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-06-07 22:09 whaack: I'm leaving the US and going to Costa Rica in about a month. In the off chance anyone wants to make some btc by renting out a place there send a msg to my key. Any advice is appreciated as well
mircea_popescu: ha!
mircea_popescu: why tamarindo of all places ?!
whaack: Now i'm back in NYC, which is hell relative to where I was a year ago, but on the bright side I'm actually putting more effort into Spanish here and have found time to read more and have started working through SICP http://ztkfg.com/
whaack: I picked Tamarindo mostly because of the convenience of it being near Liberia and having what I initially wanted: a decent nightlife, surf spots, gringo friendly atmosphere ☟︎
mircea_popescu: well, if it supported you for a year and a half could've been that terrible huh!
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to ask, whaack what means 'gringo friendly atmosphere' ?
mircea_popescu: well, if he doesnt speak spanish, he's conceivably dependent on english-language literature, which is very derpy and tends to present "dangers" and other be carefuls.
whaack: gringo friendly atmosphere means ticos who know english and are constantly trying to ease your stay by parting you with your cash, more or less
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: tamarindo is what's called "rather touristy"
mircea_popescu: whaack, picked up a girlfriend or two at the least ?
mircea_popescu: but more's the point : and your hedonism actually kept you away from internets for the interval ?!
mircea_popescu: we could've visited the http://trilema.com/2017/friday-night-or-las-moiras-revisited/ together or some shit. i mean, i guess yes there was that one line in the log, but for reasons i now don't recall didn't make any impression at the time. nor is a single solitary throwaway line like that gonna make that much impression -- you wanna get anywhere you gotta mocky it!
whaack: whaack, picked up a girlfriend or two at the least ? << Of course! The tourism of Tamarindo includes a steady stream of European girls that come to learn Spanish for a few months.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in heathen lulz, 'packet of death' on 5.x linux kernels, via braindamaged coad in udp frag reassembler
BingoBoingo: But no SSL, Spanish Single Languge girls whaack?
whaack: but more's the point : and your hedonism actually kept you away from internets for the interval ?! << it certainly reduced it drastically. but i've been around, reading the logs etc. I would of course love to have done that, but I also feel a duty to keep the SNR down in this channel as i fix a lot of my shortcomings.
asciilifeform: down?!
mircea_popescu: lmao. you're supposed to pick upo the local dwarves, how the ruck else are you going to learn spanish
whaack: asciilifeform: up, XD
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: he went to tamarindo, picked up a buncha german gals for 18 months, inexplicably his spanish has not improved !!!
mircea_popescu: unglaublich!
whaack: ^ exactly. There were a few brief stints with SSL girls, but nothing that stuck
BingoBoingo has seens some gringos here fall into similar traps passing through, but not many other year+ gingos in the city.
BingoBoingo: How do the local girls in Costa Rica cook? Maybe that's the problem?
mircea_popescu: well... casado.
BingoBoingo: Is that like some sorta cunt shaped parrilla?
mircea_popescu: nah, bacon, eggs, beans, avocado gallo pinto etc
whaack: yup, all casados. but i can't say that that was a problem as i do like casados. it was just an added effort to be with ticas over the germans that i did not make, and my Spanish paid for it
mircea_popescu: well so anyway, you had fun, good for you.
BingoBoingo: Surely there must have been some Venezolanas. Their food is pretty good.
BingoBoingo: But, lessons learned for next time.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, fwis, vz emmigration mostly the same young and distrophic male the arabs export also.
whaack: I was with a Venezuelan for a while, but she spoke English perfectly
BingoBoingo: They tend to do that.
mircea_popescu: whaack, you know, for the record, "here's this vz chick i picked up" does not count as noise on this channel.
BingoBoingo: !!up lobbes_field
deedbot: lobbes_field voiced for 30 minutes.
lobbes_field: ty BingoBoingo
lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910762 << verily, it is much needed at this point for various applications. Seems like there are several in L1 who probably are much closer to genesis-ing such a kit (phf, ben_vulpes, spyked, prolly a few others), though as it stands now there are still no vpatches. I figure I'll get the ball rolling and if any of the mentioned to 'beat-me-to-the-punch' here (and I welcome this) the worst outc ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 15:23 asciilifeform: none of these currently on front burner, but will be 9000x easier to revive if meanwhile lobbes et al produce an edible cl 'wwwism kit'
mircea_popescu: heck, most things that consist of someone doing something don't. it's like old style dad wallet pics of the kid : "here's my kid doing this, here's my kid doign that..."
mircea_popescu: lobbes_field, what's the idea here anyway, like a sort of "script html in cl" ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is suspect the number of Venezolanas vs venezolanos I've met here may be a function of distance. The ones here got out on their own or got out with family money.
mircea_popescu: possibru.
mircea_popescu: lobbes_field, also your lengthy line got cut.
lobbes_field: mircea_popescu pretty much, would need something that can take loglines from the logbot's log table and produce html
lobbes_field: Ah whoops
mircea_popescu: hm.
asciilifeform: lobbes_field: i've previously used 'cl-who', but it needs to get eaten/genesised/frozen ☟︎
mircea_popescu: oh, this is only specced as "in lisp" because the rest of the bot is in cl.
lobbes_field: On dumbphone atm, heres rest of line "the worst outcome for me personally would be I learn more cl (i.e. not a bad thing at all). And we get some republican items made in either case."
lobbes_field: asciilifeform I did see that in my research. Glad to know you've used in the past with satisfactory results
lobbes_field: To continue my earlier cut-line: I think in the past I've been too sensitive regarding avoidance of 'duplicitive efforts', but the mircea_popescu quote of "all time is burned time" has been burning in my head.
lobbes_field: I.e. If, say, spyked writes a better cl-www-tron I'd still want to be able to fit the thing in my head. So any work I do toward 'building my own' will only aid me in that task (hence relatedly, I suppose, why 'build yer own v-tron' is a commonly recommended exercise).
lobbes_field: Bit as a practical start, I may just sit down and read some of the existing items out there (cl-who) and then eventually freeze/gebesis
lobbes_field: mircea_popescu: re: specced in lisp, indeed, with the exception of my python command router / auctionbot, the rest of the ircbot/logbot v-tree is lisp. I know python ain't long for the world so I figure it is time I lose those training wheels
mircea_popescu: aite.
lobbes_field: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-02#1910897 << auctionbot 3.0! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 17:48 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fallout pronfic, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Jarritos/5311615/1222520805/1110.jpg
mircea_popescu: lol
lobbes_field: Anyways, back to mines for me, but I'ma keep noodling on logotronics. bbl
asciilifeform observes that 'bot that knows when it has lost contact' is still open , afaik, problem
asciilifeform: 1 possible pill is to run'em in pairs, and both reset if dun see pm from the other within x min ( iirc mircea_popescu suggested this some yrs ago )
whaack: whaack, you know, for the record, "here's this vz chick i picked up" does not count as noise on this channel. << noted!
BingoBoingo: Should be plenty of them in NY from what I hear
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/yet-another-nobus-backdoor-to-root-on-cisco-kit-burned-after-the-us-set-expanded/ << Qntra -- Yet Another NOBUS Backdoor To Root On Cisco Kit Burned After The "Us" Set Expanded
asciilifeform: lol, this is, wat, 4th ?
asciilifeform: 5th?
BingoBoingo: Manyth
BingoBoingo: But... they just won't yield
asciilifeform: lol, wai would they 'yield'. usg prints moola by the gigatonne, gives'em just like gives to microshit. a++ 'biznismodel'. aand nao finally banned competing chinese router ( which, lulzily, is mostly indistinguishable from cisco in any way that matters )
asciilifeform: soon enuff i expect cisco will be Officially mandatory in all reich telecom , like at&t gear once was pre-divestiture
Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910400 << I want to do the dns. I was reading recently: http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=gns ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 07:44 mp_en_viaje: who wants to do the tmsr dns ? jurov ? mod6 ? Mocky maybe ? mats ?
Mocky: eating log still