tmsr - Log 2019-01-08

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885607 << this is where we do not agree. "Clearly Superior Technologies is a family business." aka a dork manaloning somewhere with the support of a dedicated wife does NOT constitute life ; much in the manner "perhaps some bacteria on mars" does not mean "extraterrestrial civilisation". ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:11 asciilifeform: and the latter in particular counts in favour of the hypothesis that yes, there's life somewhere, inca not exterminated errything.

mircea_popescu: the capacity for life of menalone is ~potential~. it is not actual.

mircea_popescu: men alone are not actually alive ; they are suspected of being perhaps capable of coming alive. that's all.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you see some problem with distinctions in general or just some of them ?

asciilifeform: i've nfi if even equipped to comment, per the scheme, possibly never been alive

mircea_popescu: dude's not publishing patches for anyone to sign, and your kind if ineffectual attempts to sign them anyway don't enact patches out of a void.

mircea_popescu: if the standard is low enough for stco to pass, then 1941s france contained 10mn resistence fighters : 9.9 mn of which carefully preserved a room somewhere in the house "where no german set foot", through the procedure of no german happening to want to.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same way you signed a fg, which is the exact same fucking thing.

asciilifeform: you may recall that the impossibility of signing a concrete, physical fg, continues to give asciilifeform headache

mircea_popescu: imagine this wonder, "we're winning world war 2, llc", manufacturer of extremely effectual shove handles. THEY NEVER SPLINTER!

asciilifeform: i aint invented a means to sign physical objs yet (and afaik nobody else has either)

mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: "a) here's signed ideal ; b) here's concrete -- c) check"

mircea_popescu: why not ? the true mark of the true engineer! :D

mircea_popescu: remember that time corp imploded through engineers invovled telling anyone not to buy product, it sucks, they're making way better one ?

mircea_popescu: happened plenty of times. aanyways -- what problem is real then ?

asciilifeform: the one where once it goes in the postbox, i cannot definitely say what will come out on other end.

mircea_popescu: notice that the collaose of white civilisation happened exactly around the forcelines of http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885650 : they ~fucked up~ the publications of the ideal (through efforts very much like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885267 ) resulting in the collapse of the checking and thus the necessary http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/ death. ☝︎☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 00:13 mircea_popescu: maybe i'm naive, but i'm satisfied with the extant methods as they stand.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 01:09 hanbot most recently ran into this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13 the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!"

asciilifeform: relatedly, it is said that usg has an internal , proprietary pediwikia. but i've nfi what's in it, prolly a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-07-30#778095 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2014-07-30 13:57 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember the story about gorby and andropov?

mircea_popescu: nah, more like a case of -- http://btcbase.org/log/2016-09-23#1547879 ☝︎

mircea_popescu: or any of a bunch of such ridiculous nonsense we mocked over the yeears.

mircea_popescu: i recall recent example i put in, except for the specifics. obama era meanwhile defunded pile of spurious posturing.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-25#1874521 << there it is. ☝︎

mircea_popescu: there's a lotta these.

mircea_popescu: yaya. we're back to the "no difference" discussion.

mircea_popescu: nope. analoguous to "oh, this bureaucracy can't just put mp-wp on, gotta spend 5mns to pay some indian monkey $500 to wing an "in house" one overnight"

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885620 << i'm satisfied with my stance that "this is all fantasy", if nothing else then because even the clouds make "patterns worth watching" now and again, especially as a function of mood ; and time's certainly going the way of my stance being correct, rather than the opposite. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:23 asciilifeform: this was the thrust of asciilifeform's arg in the orig thread -- yes there are still people-who-are-people. even inside reich. and no they havent yet all hoisted the republic banner ( each for own reasons, whether ignorance, or 'gotta pay bills NOW', or whatnot.) but they do make things worth having. and sell ( i suspect largely to one another.. )

mircea_popescu: menalone llc will spawn as it's principal product, and the spawn ain't gonna be like daddy.

mircea_popescu: the spawn's gonna be like mommy.

asciilifeform: they dun spawn, as such , they make $wrench for coupla decades and then the old man dies and that's it.

mircea_popescu: leaving behind a coupla kids to "deal" with "the complicated legacy". you know p s hoffman ?

mircea_popescu: fat faggot, died recently of faggotry-related health issues. he's been in so many of these...

asciilifeform: my current impression is that most dun leave anyffin but a memory ( and sometimes a dusty warehouse )

mircea_popescu: they leave behind a coupla degenerate morons, http://trilema.com/2016/the-savages/ style . or i guess http://trilema.com/2013/magnolia/ ;l same thing really.

a111: Logged on 2018-06-20 00:37 asciilifeform: there's a fab in usa where, believe or not, they still make 2um classics like cdp1802 for usg. but they dun take walkins.

mircea_popescu: spawn, what. between tom cruise "accomplishments" and kirsten wiig accomplishments, more or less michael cera.

asciilifeform: ( yep they have a private 2uM fab going. is why the old 'warthog' still flies, and other 'vhs'-era tech )

mircea_popescu: or was it michael zero.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the warthog got withdrawn. ~for lack of that fab~.

asciilifeform sadly cannot build on the cinematic refs, knows only 'tom cruise -- actor?' and is all

mircea_popescu: i doubt it was anywhere near any biz, seeing how the warthog withdrawal happened prior.

mircea_popescu: died, cca 2003, like all others.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885621 << nor is there any need for that. what, you're going to get the suit off a dead mp and wear it on to victory ? ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:24 asciilifeform: the tailor who made mircea_popescu's shirt is also not (afaik) in wot yet.

asciilifeform: 'In September 2016, it was announced that Renesas was to acquire Intersil for $3.2 billion'

mircea_popescu: let the suit die wit hthe man ; socket wrenches another matter.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was in re hypothetical 'what if republic worked as closed sys'

mircea_popescu: it does work as a closed system : gotta be this intellectually tall to ride is the securest seal ever invented.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885622 << no, they fucking wouldn't, because they were spawned by strippers. who are still sitting around today, posturing idly in the vein of http://trilema.com/2017/heres-why-you-will-end-your-days-in-a-concentration-camp/ between the carrot of http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 and the cudgel of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/ ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:25 asciilifeform: if they knew how to do biz ~only~ with one another, and not heathens, i suspect -- would.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-07#1885629 << last anyone's seen, they've so descended, yes. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-07 20:31 asciilifeform: but to the extent the props of the reich are working physical artifacts, and they haven't yet descended to shaking pointed sticks and 'ook ook' sounds, they're made by somebody. and that's largely who, folx given -- yes -- some sorta berth.

mircea_popescu: even the handcuffs are now zip ties. ☟︎

mircea_popescu: and no, you can't ressurect a dead argument on the tail end of having been hammered into the ground. there's nobody alive ; there's no berths ; you can pursue this fantasy at a terrible cost anyway.

asciilifeform: a:'hey mircea_popescu , i saw kangaroo in a zoo once' m:'yer delusional , there aint no such animal, fuckin' brits lied about it' a:'looked quite like the drawing' m:'destructive fantasy, and at terrible cost, you saw mutilated donkey' a:'...'

mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to me it's how it went, but aaalrighty.

mircea_popescu: in any case, it's the (heavily promoted, of course) fantasy of the "geek" in mainstream ustard culture, "oh, i'll be SO GOOD IN CLASS little slut rosa's defo gonna get wet for me". as cameron diaz well points out : never gonna fucking happen.

mircea_popescu: there ~isn't~ a way to be good ~at your chosen field~ such that you're a successful chowdry in incadom.

mircea_popescu: yes, it was an extremely popular delusion in the 90s even, which is to say "within living memory", hence "entrepreneurial culture" and all that wank. nevertheless, delusions, howsoever popular (and therefore osmotically persuasive) they may get, stay delusions.

mircea_popescu: for as long starvation / being eaten alive by wild animals while very fucking cold is not on the table, little slut rosa has other shit to attend to ; outside of deliberate and constructed exclusion of the stupid poor from the workings of society, the stupid poor have no incentive to respect same. and so on.

asciilifeform: it's what 'vhs 1980s' was shorthand for, neh, 'work on salary and afford 3 houses and boat'

mircea_popescu: and since we're here, let's go on an archeological detour.

mircea_popescu: the (batshit insane, in modern terminology) claim of the xtians that their fsb controls "life everlasting" was ~meaningful~ in times past, and built out of the following articulation of logic :

mircea_popescu: as the life habits [they stole from "those pagans" the stoics] promoted longevity, it was a trivial observation (for they inclined to observe, of course) that xtians ~live longer~ than non-xtians. THIS was the substance of the entirety of the supernatural claim, for a thousand years or so, and yes, to the orc mind it makes sense that the bearded dood in the sky who makes these weirdos die 70s not 50s perhaps has more of the s

mircea_popescu: ame in store ofr later.

mircea_popescu: as rational inquiry divorced longevity from religiosity, the claim lost its meaning, but it is ever present in strangeola like "smoking is a sin".

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason there were three religions in the mediteranean was that specifically all three delivered this.

a111: Logged on 2019-01-02 17:39 asciilifeform: ( the gulag folx chalked it up to 'lack of vodka' for the most part tho )

mircea_popescu: indeed.

mircea_popescu: hence an unbroken chain, from http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735907 to http://trilema.com/2018/yes-bitch-i-would-bring-it/ ☝︎

asciilifeform: of course there is also mark twain's addendum to this, 'quit drink, quit smoke, you might not live >100 but it will ~feel~ like 1000' or how did it go

mircea_popescu: well yes. the socialist trade is always a case of "substitute vinyl siding for brick wall".

mircea_popescu: "substitute moses for zeno" same exact deal.

mircea_popescu: now then : all these fantasies, "i'll worship so purely i'll never die", "i'll get a paycheck so huge i won't have to go on dates anymore", "i'll be that kurchatov" rely on something specific : there's gotta be a stalin. there's no stalin of long living, nor is there a stalin of rooseveltian socialism -- the thing's built ~specifically~ (and ~purposefully~, deliberately) as a "stalinism without any stalin".

mircea_popescu: "but mp, you own this-and-so company that got specific safe harbour /legal extemption/ whatever precisely fitting "berth" definition item from x/y/z posturer to authority". "yes, i did ; and i can, too. but it is a) not ever obtained through the avenue here contemplated and, importantly, MUCH more importantly, b) a dodge. it is strictly there to mask from the dangerous the fundamental state of affairs."

asciilifeform: i actually have deeply nfi how they were (or are?) obtained, today or 40y ago

mircea_popescu: it's how anything valuable ever is obtained : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-01-30#998185 ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-01-30 05:51 mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.

asciilifeform: i suppose could be 'leave my cement factory alone or i send you yer daughter's other ear'

mircea_popescu: remember the famous tito-stalin "leave yugo alone" exhange ? keks.

asciilifeform: ( or for that matter, whether renesas co. of tokyo was able to swallow usg's intersil co. because jp sent preet his daugher's other ear, or because preet married jp princess and sits on throne there, i also have nfi )

mircea_popescu: can't say i've been following.

mircea_popescu: if i had to take a blind wager, it'd be ye olde "information differential" -- jp knew and usg didn't.

mircea_popescu: same way peter minuit bought manhattan. married no slovenly local cuntlet.

asciilifeform: i'd guess it was a case of http://trilema.com/2018/the-principal-agent-problem-or-how-america-went-away/#selection-131.79-131.97 , some ameri-monkey was in a position to take the 3.2B in paper in exch for whatever crater, and did

asciilifeform: and turned it into 100k of turkey green spendable in thailand to fuck sheep, and is doing so nao

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885715 << revisiting this lul : not long ago i saw a cop collar some monkeys on the street, and believe or not, bona fide cuffs ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( phunphakt -- in ye olde su, handcuff was uncommon, outside of where it was used as an instrument of 'question of the third degree', in a form of old-school 'strappado' . )

mircea_popescu: maybe until the unionized cops who still know how to work a lock-and-key last, who knows.

asciilifeform: they carry cheap imported pistol, cuffs, flashlight, and the traditional 'democratizer', and these props havent visibly changed in asciilifeform's living memory

asciilifeform: iirc coupla yrs ago i linked to photos i took at a 'police expo' where all of this was proudly exhibited to gawking public

mircea_popescu: also the 800 lb incendiary "entry devices" ? lol.

asciilifeform: a:'where do you put prisoner' cop:'wtf you smoking? chopper takes pictures'

mircea_popescu: golden age came and went.

asciilifeform: (with the possible exception of the cast-iron battering rams, dunno how those'd break)

asciilifeform: there was a schmeisser-like thing, rusted solid, dunno why they even bothered showing it

mircea_popescu: keks.

asciilifeform: 1 item looked like old 'lahti' antitank rifle. i asked 'why'. beat cop : 'cars'

asciilifeform: possibly the 1 interesting item in the exhibit, was approx as long as i am tall

asciilifeform: there was also a http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-26#1072977 -style caterpillar bot thing , with shotgun, but unremarkable ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2015-03-26 20:43 asciilifeform: one to break doors, gates; one to threaten bystanders, if any, with 'accidental' fire; one to shoot; and perhaps one with a cage that arrestee -might- be permitted to surrender into, if the bot's voice-recognition system works and if orders included a possible live capture

asciilifeform: one might naively expect that the bot would have a belt-fed shooter of some kind, but nope -- it had double barrel '12gauge' , loaded by hand.

asciilifeform: could say 'golden age over', but i dunthink their goldenage included shotgun bots.

lobbesbot: lobbes: Sent 8 hours and 2 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r6rks/?raw=true

Mocky: I had the most vivid dream last night that I met mp and hanbot. I shook mp's hand and then I turned and shook hanbot's hand and when I turned back mp was gone but left me a note with his signature and "kek" then I turned and habot was gone too

mircea_popescu: Mocky lol auction off the note, prolly bigbux(tm)!

asciilifeform upturned a stack of papers with elbow last night, a mircea_popescu card came flying out

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo are these tynisha ysais relatives ? any bits missing ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's a mp card ?

mircea_popescu: oh, you mean the black business card things ?

mircea_popescu: pretty cool item, if i do say so myself. the face of all the people who've since got one... worth erry penny.

mircea_popescu: how'd an electric one go ?

mircea_popescu: i dun see it.

mircea_popescu: you know ?

mircea_popescu: i mean, if it ~speaks~ it, it could be cooler in the intended market ; but honestly speaking is inferior tech to reading.

mircea_popescu: SLAVEGIRLS.

mircea_popescu: there's two solutions to "x is painful" : a) make x', just-like-x-but-not-painful ; and b) use it in training, where pain is both desirable, useful and necessary.

asciilifeform: there's also the 3rd, 'make it == x but slightly less pain' but admittedly takes work

asciilifeform: ( i'll observe, mircea_popescu's ship has diesels, rather than oars, last i knew )

mircea_popescu: (and, for completeness & rounding off [kek kek] of the "dating" reference yesterday : the ~other~ locus of man, other than "doing very well on a date", is sitting on a couch [of power] and pointing at which fancy fanciula he intends to sozomize next. just sayin'.)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oars are not merely painful, but also train biceps. mp is not so keep in bicep-y slavegirls, THEREFORE has not oars.

mircea_popescu: if oars promoted instead stoic values, it'd have fucking oars.

mircea_popescu: not so keen* i meep

mircea_popescu: meen*

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is an eastern power, what can i tell you.

mircea_popescu: or, to quote from fetgirl, "mistey25 19F Switch Also an intelegence test? What makes you think you have what it takes to judge if someone is smart or not. There’s a quote from Albert Einstein “if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing it’s an idiot”. And you’re judging me based off of things you’re pulling out of your ass. Why don’t I give you a bit of judgement. Yo

mircea_popescu: u look like a goat fucker."

mircea_popescu: lol nope. i said goats are cute but not to the point of fucking one.

mircea_popescu: anyway, it's testament to my famous capacity of fitting in -- comes from the fact i use as main profile pic a shot hanbot took in turkey, where i was being INCREDIBLY fucking fit-in.

mircea_popescu: (the first time around, decade or so prior, turkey ss guy intercepted me. like on the street. asked if i'm from the us, i said romania, he said no fucking way, what are you selling me here. was pretty lulzy.)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are not. here, have a sampler http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ufhi6/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: aha.

mircea_popescu: did some countwork at some point irrc. lotta "kitten" (spoiler : generally fatties), lotta stuff like that.

asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller ) ☟︎☟︎

mircea_popescu: how are you to use a mouse w/o acceleration ?!

mircea_popescu: ah works diff for rollers ? mkay

mircea_popescu never got into that.

mircea_popescu: i get the "takes less space than mouse" etc. it just seems bulky and inconvenient to me. and too high. and so on.

mircea_popescu: not proposing this as problems ~with the item~.

asciilifeform: the win is that when you e.g. cad, less muscle aches. ( asciilifeform aint cad'ing currently but expects to again later this yr.. )

BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo are these tynisha ysais relatives ? any bits missing ? << Apparently they are just dead sex workers

mircea_popescu: black ~men~ ?

BingoBoingo: From the text of the Qntra piece: "In the previous incident Gemmel Moore, a 26 year old male sex worker's death was ruled a drug overdose following an investigation which found numerous syringes and indicators of habitual methamphetamine use in Buck's home. According to Moore's journal, Buck introduced him to methamphetamine."

BingoBoingo: White pantsuit hiring black men for sex and hooking them on meth... like that Atlanta dude but with different taste in holes

mircea_popescu: well, in all fairness to the http://trilema.com/2016/welcome-to-baluba-island/ cuck in question -- if your wife fucks a dozen or so "bulls" before they do you in the ass per week say, and it's been a hundred weeks, you're looking at five or so thousand of these having spent a day with you within the past half week, which is the "relation" standard contemplated.

mircea_popescu: that one in x thousand black gay-for-pay tards (who are also drug users, nqa) will od a year... gimme a break.

mircea_popescu: in short : it's a wonder there weren't two dozen.

mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the ridiculous notion " Gemmel Moore, a 26 year old male twink" was ~keepin a journal~. srsly ? with what ?

mircea_popescu: oh, you mean the ipad ? i think they cut off what he was trying to say.

BingoBoingo: Anyways, first incident was dismissed after pantsuit outrage over the investigation as an attack on the old dude's lifestyle

mircea_popescu: "Edward Bernard Peter Buckmelter began his career as a fashion model in Europe" keks.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you may think what you wish ; i've seen the fetards and i know better.

mircea_popescu: the odds a 20something ~black~ ~male~ actually keeping a journal are 10ppm or so ; having the capacity to even in principle do so 0.1% sorta deal

mircea_popescu: He formerly served on the steering committee of the Stonewall Democratic Club. He has donated "nearly $30,000" to Democratic candidates like Hillary Clinton, Ted Lieu, Pete Aguilar and Raja Krishnamoorthi as well as the Getting Things Done PAC. << dude give me a fucking break ?

mircea_popescu: since when the fuck is 30k a sum of money.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have this custom, iirc you can donate 1 orcbuck and still show up on 'list of donor'

BingoBoingo: Other sources report ~500k still small. More interesting is the information brokerage he sold in his 30's.

mircea_popescu: pretty ridoinculous all around.

mircea_popescu: aaanyways.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform my point is rather that the democrats ~are very fucking poor~.

mircea_popescu: precisely the "russian oligarchs" pseudo-economic model, yes.

mircea_popescu: somehow this doesn't bother them, "hey, our entire understanding of money is, let's get some schmuck a bunch of taxchest so he can http://trilema.com/2012/dan-voiculescu-acest-gunoi-abject/ all over."

BingoBoingo: Anyways, it seems the reason he didn't pile up 2 dozen stiffs over the years is that same poverty

mircea_popescu: yeah, they ~party~ ie, don't keep a ready supply of the stuff (chemicals, biologicals) for whenever feel like, but rather whenever the "pipe" leaks something run out and buy some of each, twice a eyar or w/e.

mircea_popescu: the unsteady approach being in itself a great catalyst of both the paroxistic problem encountered and the incapacity for management displayed.

mircea_popescu: (that article, btw, remarkable because i told ro bezos "Si, draga Varanule, nu-i clar ca mai ai cinci ani" ie, "dear reptile, it's not clear you have five years left" in 2012 -- by 2014 he was in jail. because hey, mp is right now and again accidentally which is to say 1024/1024 occurences on his blog etc etc) ☟︎

mircea_popescu: just about yeah. dood ran off with the commies accounts receivable in 1989, so that isarescu was stuck inventing acreditives for fuel ships to unload rather than leave that winter.

mircea_popescu: that was something else, that january.

mircea_popescu: anyway, twas a mere coupla billion. which, at the time, was an IMMENSE sum, that ceausescu had gathered together over decades of hard fucking work for his 20mn slavecrop.

mircea_popescu: now it's like... hey, remember when bitcoin had JUST breached 1k and "mp is a billionaire" still "controversial" / difficult to swallow for the tards talking ?

mircea_popescu: it's one hell of an object to contemplate, this evolution, for someone who was there in the 80s. "you mean every penny saved off every old schmuck that died in soviet-style economical health care system / every bled out 1950s style (in the us, heh, http://trilema.com/2009/comunismul-capitalismul-si-oprimarea-femeii/#selection-71.0-71.8 ) woman because contraceptives cost money whereas her slavespawn is worth money, ALL THAT,

mircea_popescu: every night spent in the cold to "save fuel" by whole neighbourhoods, the inaccessible meat or bananas or whatever -- ALL OF IT!!! went into one "humongous" pile of "the people's wealth" that was, looking in own pockets, not retrospectively that worth the mention ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: what the fuck more is there, if this dun suffice re vanitas vanitatum what does.

mircea_popescu: alas, poor yorick. i knew him, horatio...

mircea_popescu shall bbl.

asciilifeform: ( and for all i know, ro actually involved moar 'turkeydollar', as by mircea_popescu's and other accts was 'tighter ship' ) ☟︎

asciilifeform: 'There were people working behind the scenes trying to get the Symbolics VLM stuff legitimately released in some way to the hobbyist community - and this is likely to throw a wrench into that effort'

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-08#1885903 << 'pile' wento to washington/eurpoistan coffers, kept the reich going 30yrs past its expiration date ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-01-08 17:26 mircea_popescu: every night spent in the cold to "save fuel" by whole neighbourhoods, the inaccessible meat or bananas or whatever -- ALL OF IT!!! went into one "humongous" pile of "the people's wealth" that was, looking in own pockets, not retrospectively that worth the mention ?

mircea_popescu: in other sad lulz : etsy moved into the new york building where a scottish immigrant invented the prefab packaging box during the gilded age. who knows, maybe it rubs off ? maybe perhaps http://trilema.com/2016/the-%d0%ba%d0%b2%d0%b0%d1%81-bdsm-party/#comment-118604 ?

mircea_popescu: myeah.

asciilifeform: ( and it aint a lie, i studied the burroughs arch, indeed was non-overflowistic iron )