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mircea_popescu: i hear thart's how they make kids.
mod6: haha, basically
mod6: shit else to do
lobbes coming live from newly installed znc on pizarro rockchip
lobbes: my vps on edis which housed my old znc has been mysteriously unreachable for 12 hours. Of course, cannot easily get in contact with them
lobbes: !!balance
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/8ATIb/?raw=true
asciilifeform: congrats lobbes !
lobbes: !Qlater tell mod6 plox to invoice me for a month of pizarro shared hosting
lobbesbot: lobbes: The operation succeeded.
lobbes: just gonna relocate znc and #eulora logz (which, too, were hosted with edis) to pizarro shared hosting and be done with it. Much rather deal with humans
mod6: oh boy did I miss ya lobbes ?
lobbesbot: mod6: Sent 14 minutes ago: <lobbes> plox to invoice me for a month of pizarro shared hosting
mod6 looks
mod6: lobbes: that's weird, I don't even have you in the notes as being a shared customer
mod6: i've gotta go look up when the last time you were invoiced was.
mod6: Apparently you were invoiced at least once in March of '18 for shared hosting, it was prorated: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-03-27#1789906 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-03-27 05:47 ben_vulpes: !!invoice lobbes .00067742 pro-rated march shared hosting
mod6: did you ever receive anymore invoices other than that?
mod6: ben_vulpes: can you help on this ^
mod6: ben_vulpes BingoBoingo asciilifeform : Our pricing on our website makes no sense for the record.
mod6: on the "shared hosting" page we say that: "Plans Available on UY1 Include: FTP Basic Account 0.001 BTC/mo; Hosted Shell Account: 0.0015 BTC/mo.; Hosted Shell Plus: 0.002 BTC/mo"
mod6: And on the "Colocation and Rates" it says "Shared Hosting: 0.003 BTC/mo"
mod6: am I to understand that you only get apache & mysql service for 0.003 then, and the others are just ~simply~ FTP and shell access?
mod6: We aught to think about making that more clear.
mod6: For instance, I believe we should take the "Shared Hosting: 0.003 BTC/mo" off of the Colocation and Rates page, and place it below the FTP and Shell Account info on the "Shared Hosting" page.
mod6: all in one spot. much more clear.
mod6: lobbes: anyway, I apologize. I'll invoice you now for August.
mod6: !!invoice lobbes 0.003 Shared Hosting through August 2018
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Eauux/?raw=true
mod6: !!v 907532BB69A074B4017E97F52920CFC941D612DB4DE9BF7C00DD9654EF9965F9
deedbot: Invoiced lobbes 0.003 << Shared Hosting through August 2018
ben_vulpes: mod6: the last rev of your notes says that he's paid up through october 2018
mod6: yeah, that's for the rockchip he has.
mod6: should be this: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-27#1837894 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-07-27 04:13 mod6: !!invoice lobbes 0.03308823 Rockchip invoice for 3 months of service, through October 31st, 2018
ben_vulpes: oh this is for shared hosting, my mistake.
ben_vulpes: iirc he let the hosting account lapse.
mod6: oh.
mod6: Yeah, looks like he hasn't logged in since April 23rd.
mod6: lobbes: Are you currently using the hosting, or are you looking to get set back up going forward? And if so, great! Do you want just a shell account or do you want wp-mp too?
mod6: (I may have to cancel that invoice I sent ya just a minute ago.)
mod6: nbd
lobbes: mod6, ben_vulpes: ah whoops. I did not mean to cause confusion. I meant: can I re-sign up for a new slice of shared hosting
lobbes: everything's kosher re: past shared hosting services
lobbes: I just suddenly have a need again for it
BingoBoingo: !!v 2924B0F040D29BB74B80DDFFFF6E202EA769A1620846B39591203B76E2E01558
deedbot: BingoBoingo paid mod6 invoice 1
lobbes: also I won't need mp-wp on it. just an ssh hole will suffice for my needs
mod6: lobbes: ah, ok! sorry, I was way confused because I saw that you had a current shell still in UY1.
mod6: And in my notes, you weren't currently being billed.
lobbes: oya, I could see myself doing a double-take in the same situation
mod6: lobbes: ok sounds good, do not pay that invoice.
lobbes: roger that
mod6: Do you want 5Gb or 10Gb of storage?
mod6: 5Gb = 0.0015 BTC/mo, 10Gb = 0.002 BTC/mo
lobbes: I'll do the 10gb
mod6: alright Sir, sounds good. Gimme a bit, i'll make a new invoice for ya.
lobbes: ty sir. No mega-rush. I'll bbl later tonight anyways
mod6: Ok qq. Do you want me to just prorate the rest of august + all of september for ya then?
mod6: !Qcalc (0.002/31)
lobbesbot: mod6: 6.45161290323e-05
mod6: !Qcalc ((0.002/31)*3)+0.002
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0021935483871
mod6: 0.00219354 BTC for your shell then through Sepetember 30th
mod6: sound good?
lobbes: mod6, sounds good
mod6: ben_vulpes brings up a good point about my regrind of his Excise Hash Truncation vpatch, I should put in the manifest.
mod6: We've talked about this before, and I may just do that yet. Will think it over and report back.
mod6: !!cancel-invoice lobbes 2
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vOARN/?raw=true
mod6: !!v 2371EEE0F3BE3BD6417272D9028FE8C05F2D94E3F2D493A781FAB8BC8AB8BA3A
deedbot: mod6 canceled lobbes invoice 2
mod6: !!invoice lobbes 0.00219354 Shared-Shell Hosting 10Gb Storage through September 30th, 2018
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/NAQOt/?raw=true
mod6: !!v DF444151D33EFDE153BC5966765568491C2AFD2A9A08D715CC772940586755BE
deedbot: Invoiced lobbes 0.00219354 << Shared-Shell Hosting 10Gb Storage through September 30th, 2018
mod6: !!sent-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zx5u3/?raw=true
mod6: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/zLwOj/?raw=true
mod6: thanks BingoBoingo!
lobbes: !!v 4345293315608C817B41C1049F5A70709BEAD1E5431E3F65493505F3E70D47B4
deedbot: lobbes paid mod6 invoice 3
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/epiphitos/ << Trilema - Epiphitos
mircea_popescu: sooo, in eulora epic win, i got a 60.971 mn pop on polished small stones, at 7:11:58 local time ; and then a 3.043 mn pop on boulders, at 7:12:36. GO ME!
mod6: mornin'
mircea_popescu: how goes mod6
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : http://loc.gov/pictures/resource/cph.3c35469/ check out the pics they got in the background lel.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't that the d00d who 'knew too much' re kennedy ?
mircea_popescu: arguably. chicago outfit dood, iirc there was a conspiraci theory re "they did kennedy"
BingoBoingo: At least we know Señor Glioblastoma got other Kennedy
mircea_popescu: nah, there was a brother also shot, robert or something
BingoBoingo: Ah yeah, that Kennedy's kid is one of those AL Gore enviroweirds now
mod6: mircea_popescu: mornin! good, you?
mircea_popescu: not bad at all
mircea_popescu: say trinque can add http://bimbo.club/?feed=rss2 ? so i see how much beating bimbo needs on this count.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, more importantly, and better documentedly, he's the guy who forced inept jew (cohen) to sign mob girl marylin for a 3 year contract
mircea_popescu: thereby bringing some actual value and some actual importance to the shithead "mainstream" movie business. which is ~the mob's contribution in that field.
mircea_popescu: they got hauled off for "racketeering", but what they actually did was make hollywood vomit watchable.
asciilifeform: holyfuq a 2nd log summary thing
asciilifeform looks, so far not impressed, it's verbatim chunk lifting
mod6: oh hey cool!
mod6: bimbo.club is live
mod6: Shall I invoice you later Mr. Popescu?
mod6: 0.003 btc/mo is the rate on that.
mod6: !Qcalc (0.003/31)*3
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.000290322580645
mod6: !Qcalc ((0.003/31)*3)+.003
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.00329032258065
mod6: This would be the quote through the 30th of september: 0.00329032 BTC
asciilifeform: meanwhile, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/abs_qa-minus-qb.gif << warning: 5 MB !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu , Mocky , et al ^
asciilifeform: 1024 frames.
asciilifeform: viewport (i.e. 1..Na x 1..Nb ) is 256x256.
Mocky: wow, full lolcat
asciilifeform: Mocky: there sadly cannot be a 'full' lolcat, all possible ones are finite slices
asciilifeform: but possibly shows interesting pattern to folx with 'third eye'
mircea_popescu: mod6 gto ahead
mircea_popescu: mod6 can i have for rest of year ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i just got ~120k of pss and it was mixed just fine, so i guess bot will need slightly larger table :D
mircea_popescu: also, a) gotta start somewhere ; b) she's not working to impress you, she's working to impress me, meaning your only productive stance is "not like that, like ~this~" rather than "your work doesn't make the cut".
asciilifeform: i actually have nfi, it could be that this is exactly what mircea_popescu asked .
asciilifeform: but it does seem to consist of undigester matter.
mod6: mircea_popescu: surely, lemme see what the pricing will be on that.
mircea_popescu: but i never do ; i always ask for vague things and then squeeze people with them.
asciilifeform: *undigested
mircea_popescu: well, i can't imagine how she'd have gotten a single enzyme yet.
BingoBoingo: Takes adaptation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re the gif -- it isn't a full table by any means, only illustration of the arithmetical oddities at work
mircea_popescu: yee
Mocky: I find gif quite interesting, I would not have thought to do that
mircea_popescu: part and parcel of ye olde http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-23#1689615 and so on discussion. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-07-23 19:38 mircea_popescu: (for the record -- while i do believe that IA (as opposed to ai bullcrap) is both perfectly achievable, in many ways achieved, and the ~only reasonable use of the machine in the first place ; i nevertheless think the problem is catastrophically ill posed in the "you know, like bullzoder" sense. yes there was such an application for digital computers, it is called "the numeric method" and still not widely deployed notwithstand
asciilifeform: Mocky: really it wants to be a ~cube~ , x:Na, y:Nb, z:|Qa-Qb|, 1 if solution, 0 if not. but there isn't a satisfying way to draw this. so stuck with lolcat.gif
mod6: !Qcalc ((0.003/31)*3)+(0.003*12)
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0362903225806
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought lips permitted one to produce rotate-able cubes as a thing ? hm ? HM ?
mircea_popescu would very much like an alt-"imageviewer" which could take 3d item and properly turn/scale.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: rotateable, sure, but not transparent-and-somehow-usefully-opaque
mircea_popescu: mod6 not a full year hence ; rest of the year. that's 4 months and change.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cuz it's a discontinuous function.
asciilifeform: i fiddled with 'cube' for a bit, so far pretty ugly. might post later.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/eulora-as-seen-by-mircescu/ << gnuplot managed 2d reasonably well. where's my 3d ?
mircea_popescu: and in general why is any and all 3d so fugly ? we know for a fact this can be done well, solved problem on the 386 ffs, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-02#1762623 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-01-02 18:35 mircea_popescu: http://www.freegameempire.com/Img/Cache/Games/Blockout/Screenshot-2.png < item
asciilifeform: if you wanted to display , somehow, legibly, a ~full~ welltris well -- this is not only not solved problem on 386, but not really imho solvable, on 2d screen
mircea_popescu: aaand why not ?
asciilifeform: outers get in the way of inners ?
asciilifeform: is there something mircea_popescu knows about 3space that i dun know...
mircea_popescu: the problem is this : given a flatfile of datapoints, convert that into 3d representation, that can be rotated, zoomed, shaved ; that is already colored correctly (meaning, as human would like it to be) and whose shaving and presentation can be scripted well (arbitrary and undefined well).
asciilifeform: aa so not static pic ? moar doable
mircea_popescu: absolutely not static. blockout was not static either.
asciilifeform: i have one of these even nao. ( nao how to put it in a www-able form... )
mircea_popescu: and "shave off one visible layer" is 1 keypress.
asciilifeform: right, this is what i got
mircea_popescu: yes, well... this gotta be a standard. not fucking "video conferencing". that's not 3d, that's dumb-d.
mircea_popescu: and much like in the way of blogs, i want states of display ~linkable as such~.
asciilifeform: aha!
asciilifeform: but instead we get 'html5' nonsense
mircea_popescu: none of this bs "link an article at a time". you either give me proper select linkage or you get archive.is linked instead. that sort of thing.
asciilifeform: 'yeah i totally want to transmit a MB of <><<>><<><><<<<><><><>>>< for erry 10 of text'
mircea_popescu shall bbs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a la http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-20#1842981 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-20 17:14 asciilifeform: troo hyper-document oughta contain snapshots of all linkage. ( sure if external entity updates, viewer can be offered later ver, at ~his~ discretion. but oughta preserve linked material at time of linkage, the era of 'disk costs too much to store human text' went long ago)
asciilifeform: the current crock of shit soup 'html' is ~fractally wrong~ however -- if you strip away any particular piece of idjicy from it, you get nowhere. whole thing must die.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-butthurt-china-wont-share-samples-of-h7n9-flu-virus/ << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus
mod6 catches back up
mod6: !Qcalc ((0.003/31)*3)+(0.003*4)
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0122903225806
mod6: mircea_popescu: this would be the quote through December 31st, 2018 ^
mod6: brb, f00dz
asciilifeform: !!up elsker
deedbot: elsker voiced for 30 minutes.
asciilifeform: elsker: hello ?
elsker: Hiya.
asciilifeform: elsker: who might you be ?
elsker: Nobody you know. I just happed upon this place.
asciilifeform: !!down elsker
asciilifeform: that was plenty of time, imho, to say something meaningful
asciilifeform: come to think of it, i dun recall ~one~ instance where a
asciilifeform: 'i won't read logs, so i'll remora in chan' d00d, ever turned into a person.
mod6: before we throw anyone out the door, maybe ask them if they want service?
mod6: i.e. shell/rockchip, anything. having Pizarro linked to peeps in the wot is hard-enough, but if we can't get anyone in the wot, than that's worse.
asciilifeform: mod6: d00d was not 'thrown out' of the door, he could not bring himself to walk in to begin with
mod6: pitch 'em, before you pitch 'em.
mod6: "You want Rockchip?" "No." "Ok, fuck your mother."
asciilifeform: i'ma do them exactly like-so, from nao on
mod6: perfect.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845236 << that china won't share because usg criminal org well known stockpiler/producer/daydreamer of "bioweapon" entirely not mentioned by self-same criminal org's own agitprop machine. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 17:22 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/usg-butthurt-china-wont-share-samples-of-h7n9-flu-virus/ << Qntra - USG Butthurt China Won't Share Samples Of H7N9 Flu Virus
mircea_popescu: o wait, that's exactly what editor says. nice BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845240 << alrighty. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 17:33 mod6: mircea_popescu: this would be the quote through December 31st, 2018 ^
mircea_popescu: !!pay mod6 0.01229032
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/5xfXJ/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-28#1845253 << the plan was never "limit sales to people in wot". that's both stupid. and self-defeating. the plan always was http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-15#1813544 ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-28 20:29 mod6: i.e. shell/rockchip, anything. having Pizarro linked to peeps in the wot is hard-enough, but if we can't get anyone in the wot, than that's worse.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-15 15:05 mircea_popescu: but you will have hell on wheel in your hands trying to get more money as a palliative solution to "i don't feel like building sales today".
mircea_popescu: "the wot", especially in the sense used here (cream of the crop, people rated well by lords etc) cant possibly ALSO be the grease trap of everyone's everything.
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point is for pizarro is to do the exact thing shinohai ineptly didn't do for the length of his tenure -- convert the innocent among the zek to republic.
mircea_popescu: just like the whole fucking point of having danielpbarron as EPT was so that he gets people in, for his own self fucking interest, rather than sit about. just how all the point of ALL these functions ever is : don't sit about going "oh, i have function x, see, this paper says so"
mircea_popescu: paper ain't worth the bit it's printed on, if the function it supposedly describes is dead in the water.
mircea_popescu: and no, if you haven't talked to EVERY SINGLE LAST STRIPPER, EVERYWHERE, from strippers.com to webcams.shit to reddit.etc, you have not done the job of "baron titsbare".
mircea_popescu: and i do mean ~every single last one~. i talk to every single chick on fetlife, meaning EVERY SINGLE ONE. that's the job of existence. nothing else passes muster.
mircea_popescu: and similarly, if you';ve not talked to every single "webmaster" tard or whatever currently in existence, you've not done the job.
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth. god gave us computers so we use them, not for any other purpose.
mircea_popescu: Talk.To.Everybody.
mircea_popescu: Do.Everything.
mircea_popescu: that's what it is. we can, and by god we shall because we fucking must ; and if we shan't we have no business here and either someone else will or, i guess, nobody will. in either case -- what has to be done stays what it is, rather than what it'd comfortably be or we could argue it rather should be or w/e.
mircea_popescu: when phuctor came about, we spent a short while with the whole "oh, whoever wants can put in his key" and a comparatively much longer whole with the "will get all keys in existence not asking anyone anything". this is an important lesson, and it is 20-fucking-14 or some shit.
mircea_popescu: if phuctor stayed forever in the "oh, if someone wants to... he could..." bla bla, we'd still have nothing there, and presumably be very happy with it, too. god knows kanzure amstan whatever other tard in the circus has nothing for their decade+, and are VERY happy with the state of affairs.
mircea_popescu: zx2c4 is still "writing painstaking careful code and giving it to the world for free", darwin fish is still http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-16#1800306 and will until the day he dies, what, "i'm glad we gave out some posters at $derpcon". ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 19:09 mircea_popescu: 3. darwin fish spent a decade, up until macarthur was ~50, in that church (after some other wrangling, mormons, whatever). then suddenly, as he himself reached 30, there was a major "time for my own church" moment. except, of course, nobody gave HIM the bn-dollar moneymaker. any they even told him why : he's way the fuck too cool for it, or as joe pesci put it, "that was the last fucking time...."
mircea_popescu: the door for the people who're looking to NOT do things is down the hall. this is the door for the people looking to actually do things.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o wait, that's exactly what editor says. nice BingoBoingo << The point was obvious enough to be unavoidable
mod6: mircea_popescu: hey, sorry about that quote. I never did get to invoice you as I was hoping to do that tonight.
mircea_popescu: what, it's not right amt ?
mod6: aside from that there is a on-going debate about the pricing for the service.
mircea_popescu: oh.
mod6: well, I think it ~might~ be.
mircea_popescu: well ok, haven't !!v'd it yet, get back to me.
mod6: ok, yeah, will try to resolve all of it here tonight. #pizarro has the details of the debate.
mod6: Anyway, mircea_popescu, agree with your sentiments here. I just hate to see us slam the door in peoples face without even asking.
mod6: But maybe that's the right approach. I dunno.
mod6: I gotta do a few things here, but I'll be back to sort the rest of the pricing fiasco out.
mircea_popescu: sure, in principle. but different doors, the set of considerations for "can be in #trilema" can't possibly include "pizarro might want to sell him something". it's like proposing people wandering into the white house shouldn't be kicked out because what if obama wants to give them a shoeshine ?
mod6: *nod* totally fair point.
mircea_popescu: that's all i'm saying, not that pizarro's no good or anything in the vein, but that the flow flows like it flows. republic mgiht pick some people from pizarro rooster for enoblement, not pizarro might pick some people from lordship for making a sale.
mircea_popescu: mocky ended up here, as a recent example, but started off with http://logs.bvulpes.com/eulora?d=2018-4-28#345101 months ago.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-04-28 12:32 Mocky: I read an article about eulora being a bitcoin mmo. I'm wondering if it's actually a thing.
mircea_popescu: i'd love nothing more than a bunch of these from logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro !
mircea_popescu: and, i'm sure, so would you.
mircea_popescu: but i'm also sure our funels are slack by that sure and unerring sign, that noobs wander in ~here~. it's 1000% easier to get someone interested in "bicoin mmo" than in terrorist organisation ; and maybe 5000% easier to get them interested in "clean reliable hosting". so if in spite of that immense differential #trilema still beats out #pizarro, it means the pizarro funel works at 0.2% efficiency at the very most. which can't
mircea_popescu: be ok.
mircea_popescu: management in the end very much like medicine : if person leaks from the belly upon taking a drink of water, odds are person's belly got an extra hole. if urine is sweet were should be salty, odds are too much sweets somewhere. etcetera.
mircea_popescu: and so, if upon seeing noob in #trilema person thinks "hey, this might've been someone interested in #pizarro", what person is really thinking is "shit, we're doing a terrible job of communicating #pizarro". because in any other case, they should've known ~already~ whether wanderer is or isn't interested.
mircea_popescu: just like average hottie doesn't go "but tell me, have you noticed my tits" for 3rd date conversation -- sure as fuck if you've made it three dates he did notice the tits, yes.
mircea_popescu: salient feature, so to speak.