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BingoBoingo: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.66545732 S.MG (0.34577317 machine rental) Plus 1 year colocation through April 18 2020 http://pizarroisp.net/pizarro-records/#selection-83.569-83.1085
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BingoBoingo: Apologies for the delay in invoicing this month. This batch required more log reading than normal
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913114 << "capitalists". the inept sons of capitalists, who were more dedicated to ineptitude than capitalism. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-13 21:22 asciilifeform: 'tis hilarious, this seq. of amputations. the capitalists, terrified of urban unionized workers, abolished... industry, and work. ( replaced with 'office plankton' system. ) result is present-day usgistan.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform : i fully intend to pay, it's however inconvenient for me to do so at this moment, i'll hafta ask you folk to kindly carry me for a little while.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i wanted to leave a "Dear Mr Minor,
mp_en_viaje: I find your precise, explicit style quite refreshing ; please drop by the Most Serene Republic's <a href=https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema>online forum</a> sometime." comment on your site, but it says "Wrong." ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: do me the courtesy and invite the fellow over ?
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: This being a republic of men, not law... The integrity of your privates is important to us. Take your time and keep your keys safe.
mp_en_viaje: aha.
mp_en_viaje: spyked, shit, i didn't even realise tha tthing was supposed to be a tv. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: fucking fugly bronzes the romanians made. possibly the least talented statuary, ro bronzes are like anglo-american cuisine.
BingoBoingo: Romania appears to have some pretty good graffiti game though ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: truth is, it's mostly fake grafitti ; after the original works some [usually small rural] towns started giving money to kids to "grafitti".
mp_en_viaje: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/temp/4/temp_842fh8237tyf3u63.jpg << yeah this guy is doing a pretty good job likbezing.
BingoBoingo: We've got a bit of that too here on the metal roll down gates in the main drags.
BingoBoingo: But then there's these retarded animal non-eaters stenciling "Doble Moral" on the temples of beef
mp_en_viaje: i confess i don't get the hipster pantsuits derping about "double standards". holy shit, of course yes ? wtf, the whole fucking point of society is double standards. the policeman beats him up, not me ; the cute teen spreads her legs for me, not him, the whole fucking point of life altogether is the double standard.
mp_en_viaje: what did they imagine ? it's incomprehensible.
BingoBoingo: With the slogan is an image that's supposed to be dog face on one side cow face on the other
mp_en_viaje: they;re complaining people don't eat dog ?
BingoBoingo: I have to assume
mp_en_viaje: but they do eat dog
BingoBoingo: Here the feed them
mp_en_viaje: maybe they complain dog doesn't eat oats and hay ?
mp_en_viaje: which i must admit, very double standard. if dog ate more like beef, it'd be edible more like beef.
BingoBoingo: Could be that the dog doesn't graze the grass and instead grazes for handouts
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which, there's a very cute old dog a few houses down. he has a friend who lives on the property, inside the fence ; but he lives outside, in this one perma-dry spot under a tree.
mp_en_viaje: so he's, basically, the poo relative, dog-socially speaking. but he waits patiently there, chats up with his friend in dogbark occasionally, it's not that bad a life.
mp_en_viaje: after all, happiness in this world requires one knows his place.
mp_en_viaje: except yest, hanbot made an excellent lamb soup ; and nicoleci took him the... boiled lamb bones.
BingoBoingo: Nice
mp_en_viaje: dog was indescribably fucking happy ; and for once in life, the roles were reversed. the ingfangdog dun eat as good, who the fuck has the sense to get his pet boiled lamb bones. shop treats ftw, "civilised"!!!!
mp_en_viaje: who could have predicted captivity may turn out to be anything but comfortable.
BingoBoingo: Saw a herd of three old black dogs in a park today. But all three had the whitest old dog beards I have ever seen.
mp_en_viaje: yeah, this one has a respectable beard too. kinda funny, the dog beard.
BingoBoingo: Saw very few of them in old country. Fairly common thing here.
mp_en_viaje: i suspect us dogs kinda get butchered aged 10ish.
mp_en_viaje: sorta like blacks.
mp_en_viaje: #doglivesmatter when!
mp_en_viaje: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/images/aluminium_electrolytic_bad_4.JPG << whoa holy shit, feather! ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I suspect as much as well. Here people walk old dogs, other old dogs roam free.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, we probably need a rep over ay http://www.vcfed.org/forum/forum.php by now, i suspect ?
BingoBoingo: Finally figured out who's been leaving dead chickens on the street corners. Apparently there's a local Afro-cult that likes giving flies places to breed.
mp_en_viaje: lmao!
BingoBoingo: Seriously. If you are sacrificing to a diety, use fire to teleport the offering to the diety's chosed realm. Otherwise Imma have to assume the thing being worshipped is the flies.
mp_en_viaje: wait, are you being serious ?
BingoBoingo: They say they have a pantheon of afro comics characters hey worship.
BingoBoingo: They throw trashin in the river for the water one. Leave out chickens for another.
BingoBoingo: I assume the chickens are for some sorta fly god.
mp_en_viaje: nuts.
BingoBoingo: Classic anti-hygenic behavior
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-12#1912777 <-- nope, confused customs lady just asked me what's in there and handed the package over. afaik there's a threshold for goods that aren't e.g. cigarettes that exempts them from taxes ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-12 17:43 asciilifeform: btw spyked , outta curiosity, didja have to pay eurotax on that thing ? how much ?
spyked: (also, might only apply to packages sent from and to individuals etc.)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913107 <-- /me is curious re which hinterlands. has some photos from places that might qualify, but they didn't make the cut. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-13 20:57 asciilifeform: ^ lol almost exactly asciilifeform's photoroll, if you subtract the 'hinterlands' (where imho the most interesting oddities)
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913111 <-- in ro it's mostly stupidity, the thing's publicly subsidized anyway. the way local orcs in bucharest circumvent the member-only thing is by not paying for it, even tho it's about a quarter $ per trip. then when the dumbass "controlori" arrive, they play dumb and complain that "nothing ever changes in this country", which sets other frustrated travelers (who, of ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-13 21:15 asciilifeform: the notion of 'members only' tram, is so preposterous, that i suspect outright sabotage, a la 1960s usa (where various skulduggery resulted in the complete disappearance of the tram -- and in certain places , of ~all public transport -- to prop up 'auto industry' )
spyked: course, use the same strategy) on fire to the point that ticket collector goes away with tail between legs.
spyked: it gets extra lulzy in the slums, where once in a while they bring cops/gendarmes for security, otherwise impossible to fine 'em
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913176 <-- lol, could very well be that I imagined it. cela n'est pas un teveu! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 04:31 mp_en_viaje: spyked, shit, i didn't even realise tha tthing was supposed to be a tv.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, in civilised world there's automated machinery, stuff in bills get day or 3 day pass.
mp_en_viaje: never tried in ro, i don' tsee the point of subway-less "public transportation". i can bus about in my car as well as they can.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913178 <-- some pretty shitty graffiti too, incl. derpy "political statements", e.g. "basarabia is romania". might photo some of that next photo session ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 04:42 BingoBoingo: Romania appears to have some pretty good graffiti game though
spyked: mp_en_viaje, besides timisoara very walkable. morning walk was cca 30 minutes from near the slaughterhouse/sala olimpia to e.g. cathedral.
mp_en_viaje: aha, it's tiny.
spyked can definitely see the pointlessness of bus -- and sometimes tram -- transportation, where the bus in question spends most of its time waiting for the traffic to clear.
spyked: re. ticket machines: whole ticket infrastructure in buc (and as far as I could tell timis too) is contracted to UTI, who installed embedded shit that for years wouldn't go past the power-on BIOS screen (they used AMD CPUs with some Linux distro on top). ticket machines are a few decades away, although there are maybe three of those in buc. ☟︎☟︎
spyked bbl
mp_en_viaje: could just cross border buy some.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/counterfit-romania/ << Trilema -- Counterfit Romania
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, so i just had the currier drop on me a certain something...
mp_en_viaje: ima put pix up, words do not do it justice.
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diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913236 -> lolz! ploiesti (~60km north of bucharest) simply has machine at bus stop, put coins in and get your tickets, get on the bus and stamp them sort of thing; totally works too, as far as I saw none of them broken or anything and they've been around for some years already. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 08:25 spyked: re. ticket machines: whole ticket infrastructure in buc (and as far as I could tell timis too) is contracted to UTI, who installed embedded shit that for years wouldn't go past the power-on BIOS screen (they used AMD CPUs with some Linux distro on top). ticket machines are a few decades away, although there are maybe three of those in buc.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/my-new-motorcycle/ << Trilema -- My new motorcycle ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile @beach, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Bramantino/8103384/838200322/g91.JPG
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913231 << fwiw, here's a few that i had found then : >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis17/graffiti/index.html ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 08:12 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913178 <-- some pretty shitty graffiti too, incl. derpy "political statements", e.g. "basarabia is romania". might photo some of that next photo session
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913206 << i've witnessed this. but only in high voltage rectifiers that ate a bit of lightning ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 05:00 mp_en_viaje: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/images/aluminium_electrolytic_bad_4.JPG << whoa holy shit, feather!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913221 << north-east, where zoo, and along river ( e.g. found http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743503 interesting place ) ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 08:03 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-13#1913107 <-- /me is curious re which hinterlands. has some photos from places that might qualify, but they didn't make the cut.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 00:19 asciilifeform: gotta wonder if the derps suspected that it would turn into http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_umt1.jpg http://www.loper-os.org/pub/timis_sad_umt2.jpg
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913246 << lol, a++ 'harley' ! ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 12:20 feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/my-new-motorcycle/ << Trilema -- My new motorcycle
asciilifeform: pretty recent mobo, loox like, tho. (ddr3..) ☟︎
asciilifeform brb:teatime
asciilifeform: http://trilema.com/2019/counterfit-romania/#selection-375.40-379.2 << pretty lulzy link btw. apparently 'vhs emigration' still going strong?!
asciilifeform: apparently the ant trap still worx... ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-02 17:02 asciilifeform: they remind asciilifeform of those glue traps for ants.
asciilifeform: 'move to usa! 500 kinds of sausage in the store!' 'cardboard with antibiotic?' 'shuddup terrorist' ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913236 << hey , here in washingtonistan , cash machine stuck on winxp 'bsod' is still pretty common sight ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 08:25 spyked: re. ticket machines: whole ticket infrastructure in buc (and as far as I could tell timis too) is contracted to UTI, who installed embedded shit that for years wouldn't go past the power-on BIOS screen (they used AMD CPUs with some Linux distro on top). ticket machines are a few decades away, although there are maybe three of those in buc.
asciilifeform: ( ~100% of their public kiosks etc run winblows of 1 kind or another )
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/05/philosophical-transactions-for-the-months-of-jan-febr-and-march-1716-part-v/ << Bimbo.Club -- Philosophical Transactions. For the months of Jan. Febr. and March, 1716 - Part V.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913172 << this is odd -- worx 100% afaik (observe, orig. commenter was able to post.) didja answer the 'x xor y' riddler ? ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 04:25 mp_en_viaje: I find your precise, explicit style quite refreshing ; please drop by the Most Serene Republic's <a href=https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.freenode.net/trilema>online forum</a> sometime." comment on your site, but it says "Wrong."
asciilifeform: ftr, on any posixish shell : e.g., printf '%#x\n' "$((0x33 ^ 0x44))" gives 0x77 and so on.
asciilifeform: dahvid.minor at gmail.com btw, if someone wants to ping'im ( asciilifeform is, by all indications, cursed, nobody ever replies )
asciilifeform: in other heathen lulz, o(n log n) int mul. ( spoiler: with gigantic constant, a la aks ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 23:20 asciilifeform: if somebody made a practical aks, it is a deep, dark seekrit from asciilifeform .
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform mod6: Bicycle based exchange says he can do the datacenter's amount with a week's notice so I am inclined to go that route this month.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ok - but wtf is 'bicycle exchange'
asciilifeform: i still have nfi
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It's the person I've been dealing with to get cash locally
asciilifeform: is 'bicycle exchange' participant in the auction ?
asciilifeform: imho we oughta keep the auction going properly.
asciilifeform: otherwise how can say 'tmsr exchange rate' .
BingoBoingo: Not yet.
BingoBoingo: We've been doing the 500 USD auctions the past few months to set the exchange rate. 500 USD auctions because bidding on higher amounts of WFF has been low
BingoBoingo: And TMSR exchange rate has been running noticably below heathen exchange rate.
BingoBoingo: We have our May exchange rate from the Auction of: May 2019: 1 BTC = 5319 USD
BingoBoingo: If the cash can be acquired locally for just under 8000 USD/Bitcoin to pay the datacenter, it seems like a prudent opportunity to build up the local network of corruption
asciilifeform: seems odd that someone would effectively give 3k / coin to us 'for phree' for the privilege of not participating in auction. ☟︎
BingoBoingo: I'll try getting the guy to GPG
BingoBoingo: But for the past several months, the Oriental Republic has been paying more for coin than inside the Serene Republic
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'tanstaafl'(tm) -- to me, smells like boobytrap.
asciilifeform: ( possibly -- directed enemy effort to throw wrench into auction. )
asciilifeform: say one day 'bicycle' doesn't turn up. then wat. yer out x coin, and there's no fallback bidder.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you can't resist to 'pump' the heat gradient, i'd even prefer if you bid on auction yerself and milked 'bicyclist' w/ own steam. ☟︎
asciilifeform: but realize that 'ooh, this barrel i found in the taiga is warm!' is how chukcha ends up sawing open rtg.
asciilifeform: there aint no 'accidental' warm barrels in taiga.
asciilifeform: really i'd like to hear what mp_en_viaje thinks re subj, and take as dispositive.
asciilifeform suspects -- will agree
BingoBoingo: Link to previous conversation on the subject http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894840 ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 22:07 BingoBoingo: Anyways, if there is something I can do whether that is standardizing the length of auction, day of the month it starts, duration, etc feedback is welcome.
asciilifeform: auction aint perfect by any means, but it does give a) participants in wot b) multiple bidders, i.e. fallback if top bidder somehow fails c) publicly readable pricepoint indicator
asciilifeform: 'bicyclist' gives none of these
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913262 -> for one thing you'd be surprised what people actually eat without complaint and for the other it's not even the sausages they are moving for; usually it is more about the "comfort" aka the environment that *least* magnifies their own particular problems (in other words that lies best to them). ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 16:00 asciilifeform: 'move to usa! 500 kinds of sausage in the store!' 'cardboard with antibiotic?' 'shuddup terrorist'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i dun think i can be surprised what people can be convinced to eat, 'without complaint', after 25+ yrs in mcdonaldistan
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: if I read that correctly, asciilifeform simply says that you should arbitrate yourself the 2 markets you have access to, since you consider it worth it.
asciilifeform: 'sausage emigre' is stock term from rusphere , there folx chronically cited '50 types of sausage' as 'first impressions from new york' etc ☟︎
diana_coman: well yes, that would have been perfectly ro to in the '90s ; not now though
diana_coman: there are as many types of sausage including cardboard ones in Ro, no problem ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: didja read mp_en_viaje's link ? where poor schmuck specifically emits sausageisms e.g. 'better future for children' etc
BingoBoingo: Well we've had this line http://pizarroisp.net/2019/05/06/pizarro-april-2019-report/#selection-13.1470-13.1550 in the monthly reports for a few months now since 500 USD WFF was settled as the bidable parcel
diana_coman: I could *barely* read it ; precisely because it's such a stock-talk of borrowed-"reasons"
asciilifeform: subj, ftr
diana_coman: so in this sense I don't see what reading it does - it has nothing to do with anything as such
asciilifeform: imho typical 'sausage emigre'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm not opposed to 'locally acquired fiat'. but imho it oughta be brokered via someone in wot (e.g. BingoBoingo . )
asciilifeform: so as to build the auction up, rather than it being a secondary sad item
asciilifeform: if 'bicyclist' willing to get in wot himself -- can bid.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913306 << diana_coman : the thing typical 'sausage emigre' dun realize, is that in reich there is not only cardboard sausage, but ~cardboard people~ ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 18:53 diana_coman: there are as many types of sausage including cardboard ones in Ro, no problem
diana_coman: asciilifeform: well, using pre-canned "reasons" so by definition "typical"
diana_coman: eh, they will live among emigrated friends of same type, basically re-making the local village, what ☟︎
asciilifeform: 1st gen -- yes
asciilifeform: 2nd -- cardboard, 9 of 10.
asciilifeform: i meet these regularly.
diana_coman: well yes, but they are all about themselves, what;
diana_coman: next you'll think "for the future of the children" actually means something
asciilifeform: as written, noshit, it means 0. but when idiot jumps from cliff 'because will fly like daedalus', still has a physical meaning : splat
asciilifeform: observation is not from pov of 'ooh, must save these poor gullible derps'. i readily agree, neither can be saved nor is particularly interesting use of time to try.
diana_coman: physical effect, sure
BingoBoingo: !!up amberglint
deedbot: amberglint voiced for 30 minutes.
amberglint: hello everyone
asciilifeform: wb amberglint
amberglint: BingoBoingo: thank you, I was too slow
amberglint: asciilifeform: I've stumbled upon a video recording of the lecture on the Ivory given by a bolix engineer in 1987, apparently uploaded by a bolix 'graphics division' alumnus just two weeks ago, thought I should share it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e39LnDVBl4c
amberglint: starring a slide-sized micrograph, which was sadly vhs-blurred
asciilifeform: amberglint: i found recently
asciilifeform: and yes uselessly blurred
asciilifeform: amberglint: the 1 you posted was actually clearer.
asciilifeform: amberglint: most recent movement on this front, is that i found microscopy shop where reasonable price, but self-service -- gotta decap & delayer the thing personally ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 21:50 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform met with some meatspace folx who rent out time on sem & ion beam station by the hr. 'bout a hundy per hr.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913285 << heathen exchange rate moved significantly since auction happened, when the auction finished it was pretty close to heathen rate ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 18:27 asciilifeform: seems odd that someone would effectively give 3k / coin to us 'for phree' for the privilege of not participating in auction.
amberglint: asciilifeform: I was glad to read in the logs that you found the pinout and those other docs
asciilifeform: amberglint: right. sadly no time at the moment to dig in further
asciilifeform: i have 5 samples of 'ivory' (incl. the 1 installed in working machine) , still not enuff to throw around without thinking ☟︎
BingoBoingo: There's also this thread in log http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-10#1894828 Anyways, I do want to see auction built up. Will try to see if I can get bicycle guy into WoT. As far as brokering I don't know how much formality can/should be injected before the ceremony of formaility becomes a handicap. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-02-10 21:45 BingoBoingo: This update raises a serious issue in the lack of success I have had setting a price point at auction this month http://pizarroisp.net/2019/02/10/pizarro-isp-update-february-10th-2019/#selection-31.0-49.104
BingoBoingo: PeterL: This is true
asciilifeform: amberglint: once i wrap up ffa, will proceed to bake a probe for the working machine, to get oscillogram of couple minutes of bootup/run ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-04-23 14:16 asciilifeform: little flex pcb thing, inserts under the 'ivory' and brings the signals out to analyzer.
asciilifeform: it'll need, i expect, fpga + usb3 chip (cuz 200MB/sec to properly sample all the pins)
asciilifeform: amberglint: for microscopy, difficulty is in decap ( can't afford to lose samples to botched decap ) and then delayer ( i expect will need at least 1 shot with stripped metal , after surface shot , to get useful output )
amberglint: amberglint: yeah, I remember your recent attempt to x-ray the chip to get a better idea how to decap it
PeterL: bingoboingo: have you considred doing auction 2x per month if you need more fiat?
asciilifeform: amberglint: it did not result in very useful picture ( the 'production' model of ivory has thick metallic lid which my tube does not penetrate. ) xray was bought to photograph the 'macivory' pcb tracks. but since this, i was given a pinout (not published yet, cuz again short on time)
asciilifeform: so possibly dun even need , necessarily, the board layout
asciilifeform: (originally question was how to get pinout spec)
asciilifeform: amberglint: was given not only pinout, but timing, addressing, etc. spec, theoretically could bring up the chip and boot something.
asciilifeform: it isn't anywhere enuff info , however, to make a cycle-accurate clone ( i.e. reliable emulation ) . for this, will need the actual internals .
BingoBoingo: PeterL: I'm not opposed to the idea, but it took dropping the one auction down to 500 USD before it started drawing regular bidding action. Before then I was starting auctions one after another before one would get a bid. Also if an exchange rate auction over 500 USD and pay the datacenter auction over 2835 US vary by too much that gets messy.
amberglint: asciilifeform: have you seen this lecture by Tom Knight? from about the same time, but not strictly about the Ivory: https://www.csail.mit.edu/node/5861
asciilifeform: amberglint: not seen. from fast look , seems to be more about orig lispm ('cadr') tho.
asciilifeform: 'cadr' is quite well documented, but not particularly informative re 'ivory', which built after more than decade of refinement/simplification
asciilifeform: ( see e.g. this thread.. ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-11-14 20:45 phf: it's funny that 36xx series is basically an improved cadr. ivory on the other hand? literally scheme86: they poached both the main guy who worked on the cpu ~and the entire toolset~. ivory was still designed on CADR (rather than smbx), because that's where scheme team designed theirs
amberglint: in the end of the video Knight is talking about MultiLisp
amberglint: also talks about RISC
asciilifeform: at this point (where i have pinout, approx description of the internal movements, timings, leaked instruction set spec , a working machine to probe ) i dun expect to find much in the way of useful clue in old talk by designer
asciilifeform: will watch it, just in case, when i have some time. but i dun expect much , from these.
asciilifeform: !!up amberglint
deedbot: amberglint voiced for 30 minutes.
amberglint: by the way, there was a bit of info about the last Symbolics CPU in the 2004 AI Memo by Shrobe
amberglint: the one that was supposed to be a RISC thing, Sunstone
asciilifeform: 10y ago i was at the 'what were the designers thinking' stage. but today -- concrete questions.
asciilifeform: amberglint: it was mentioned in the shrobe paper iirc
asciilifeform: afaik did not reach mass production
asciilifeform: there is not even enough public info to say exactly what it was.
asciilifeform: 'ivory' + os, on other hand, was extremely polished product (unequaled dev environ, multi-year uptime, etc) , so my interest is specifically there.
asciilifeform: iirc 'sunstone' was actually cancelled several years ~before~ smbx died.
amberglint: it was apparently designed in the west coast part of bolix, which is the graphics division afaik
asciilifeform: dark matter.
amberglint: I could try to probe the uploader of that video, but chances aren't great
asciilifeform: meanwhile, looked for what's around re 'sunstone', and found this oddity.
amberglint: asciilifeform: seems to be a Terry Davis case
asciilifeform: possibly
asciilifeform: somehow i missed this one tho; i thought i had 100% of lisp-flavoured davises catalogued.
asciilifeform: evidently this one went to valhalla before he could write much detail.
asciilifeform: there's a grain of truth at least in that the bolix docs are held much tighter than, e.g., nsa's malware srcs. quite likely a http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-18#1881634 dynamic is in play, to this day. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-12-18 23:03 asciilifeform: usg used a fleet of bolix boxen for gulf war I logistics, and fuck knows what else, so in some dusty beetleman's desk it is 'coloured' as 'strategic', and so it gets passed from mallery to mallery.
asciilifeform: ownership changed at least 4 times, and each time was given to a minor-league 'oligarch' who could be relied on to 1) not manufacture 2) not release to public 3) not sell to anyone suspected of manufacturing anything ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-04-22 11:41 mircea_popescu: one of the best examples is a fellow known as varanul, ie dan voiculescu
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913257 << the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-10#1912285 items are all dd3. ☝︎☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 15:11 asciilifeform: pretty recent mobo, loox like, tho. (ddr3..)
a111: Logged on 2019-05-10 10:44 mp_en_viaje: in other news, i bought a buncha fx amds, 9590s, 9370s, 8370/8350 ; plus their respective a3+ boards, gigabyte, assus, w/e.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dislike ddr3 (3, 4, +) for safety-critical applications -- 'rowhammer' . but i have nfi for what mp_en_viaje uses these, then again.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile, https://x.imagefapusercontent.com/u/Bramantino/8103384/1784597508/g95.JPG
asciilifeform: defective!111 there's a clothed one!
mp_en_viaje: lol. it's all about the middle.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, did we ALSO cap ram at ddr2 and i missed the memo ?!
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not 'officially' iirc. but the boojum is well-documented, erryone can decide for himself
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913260 << orclands. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 15:58 asciilifeform: apparently the ant trap still worx...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have ddr3 boxen at piz, BUT they're ecctronic.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. not hammerable, by any known method )
mp_en_viaje: nobody forces you to put bad ram in the slots. and as long as the cpu ain't intel...
asciilifeform: 'hammer' dun rely on defective ram.
asciilifeform: ( it relies on fact that ddr3+ doesn't actually give the caps enuff time to charge/discharge fully )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913291 << word. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 18:43 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if you can't resist to 'pump' the heat gradient, i'd even prefer if you bid on auction yerself and milked 'bicyclist' w/ own steam.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if a piece of hardware doesn't work in the manner it's expected to, the common word used to describe the situation is "defective". there's no dispute here : nobody has to buy hardware that works in a way that they do not condone. it is not the ddr slot's fault that such hardware can be had, is it. ☟︎
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913300 << fwis, well off vhs emigration is almost completely powered on hallucinations about "the kids". ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 18:50 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913262 -> for one thing you'd be surprised what people actually eat without complaint and for the other it's not even the sausages they are moving for; usually it is more about the "comfort" aka the environment that *least* magnifies their own particular problems (in other words that lies best to them).
mp_en_viaje: future-as-a-scam, what. which is why they're orcs in the first place -- they buy this sort of shit. ☟︎
amberglint: asciilifeform: it was great to talk to you, I'm going back to the logs until next time
asciilifeform: amberglint: laters.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913410 << can't speak for erry orc, but it was precisely how asciilifeform ended up marooned . ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 20:00 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913300 << fwis, well off vhs emigration is almost completely powered on hallucinations about "the kids".
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913319 << yes, first generation. then the kids grow up, and etc. we know how it goes, of course, having been watching it from the other end for lo these many centuries. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 19:00 diana_coman: eh, they will live among emigrated friends of same type, basically re-making the local village, what
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, quite. the chicklet in question's ~your parents. not exactly, but as a cultural item.
asciilifeform: it's moar or less exactly
asciilifeform: and incidentally asciilifeform is not even 'worst case', at least '1 legged'. typical child emigres i meet, are entirely 'legless', many even 'esltarded'
diana_coman: I think the "for the kids" is the usual "parent" cop-out i.e. everything they do is all of a sudden "for the kids" don't you know; the emigration is just one thing, not specific
diana_coman: hence my not focusing on this specifically because it's nothing to do with it even
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913340 << yeah, moving back to 10k ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 19:07 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913285 << heathen exchange rate moved significantly since auction happened, when the auction finished it was pretty close to heathen rate
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, the most eminent example of this was obese woman who "was doing it for the kids" : ate 5-6-7 servings of shawarma / day "because kid can't eat it has to have her chew it for them". LITERAL "REASON".
mp_en_viaje: but guess what, fatlogic's not just about fat.
danielpbarron: !!received-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lZyg0/?raw=true
diana_coman: oh boy, this I didn't know but I can't say I'm surprised; because yes, there is no limit to it either.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913409 << meant, is ~design~ defect, rather than ~manufacture~ (i.e. you can't get a nonhammerable ddr4 stick by buying 100 samples and filtering) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 19:58 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, if a piece of hardware doesn't work in the manner it's expected to, the common word used to describe the situation is "defective". there's no dispute here : nobody has to buy hardware that works in a way that they do not condone. it is not the ddr slot's fault that such hardware can be had, is it.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913344 << it;s not a formality dood, you're making some money. stfu and make it. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 19:08 asciilifeform: i have 5 samples of 'ivory' (incl. the 1 installed in working machine) , still not enuff to throw around without thinking
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, but you can buy ecc dd3.
asciilifeform: aha, and did
danielpbarron: !!pay-invoice BingoBoingo 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/iceQu/?raw=true
mp_en_viaje: so then, can't say "oh, defective, ddr3". the hole's fine -- if you don't want shit ram don't buy shit ram.
asciilifeform: oughta include the detail that not all mobo route the ecc pins -- entirely correct
mp_en_viaje: afaik this one does, but i haven't gotten to it yet.
asciilifeform: ( afaik the 'fx' desktop mobos -- did not )
asciilifeform: if find out, plox to post
mp_en_viaje: aite.
mp_en_viaje: nsa malware srcs are worth ~nothing. for one thing, they mostly buy them anyway.
asciilifeform: not much in the way of naked docs is worth 'immediately' anything ( as mp_en_viaje often pointed out ), 'no scripts are new'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: only worth to the people to whom worth.
mp_en_viaje: that also.
asciilifeform: ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2014-02-15#505263 ) ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2014-02-15 20:33 asciilifeform: betcha if you plucked the quasi-mythical Pill Against RSA from its Indiana Jones subterranean vault, perhaps six people alive would understand what they are looking at were it shown to them.
asciilifeform: 'key' is worth 0 w/out its 'lock' etc
asciilifeform: briefly upstack to http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-14#1913412 : i find it interesting that the 'vhs' cultural programming is apparently needed, to lubricate the chumpatron. in e.g. 1950s, it was considerably easier to walk out of sovok than '60-70s ( e.g. unguarded border with iran, buncha places ) and for instance in '56 a company of tank men traded their tanks to the hungarians for a map to 'which way is austria', and walked. but ~o ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2019-05-14 20:00 mp_en_viaje: future-as-a-scam, what. which is why they're orcs in the first place -- they buy this sort of shit.
asciilifeform: nly 1 company~. others -- not walked.
asciilifeform: ditto berlin, for several yrs 'wall' was made of chalk and rope, and not really obstacle
asciilifeform: supports, imho, mp_en_viaje's thesis where 'tallest wall is in head'
feedbot: http://thewhet.net/2019/05/%d0%ba%d0%b0%d0%bb%d0%b5%d0%bc%d0%b5%d0%b3%d0%b4%d0%b0%d0%bdo%d1%86%d0%be%d1%80%d0%b2%d0%b8%d0%b4/ << The Whet -- o
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, confirmed to work. the board in question (GA-970A-D3 rev 2.0) supports unbuffered ecc trivially, and everything else with some bios tweaking. this is contrary to the manual, but factual nevertheless.
asciilifeform: neato -- i.e. there's a 'switch on ecc' in bios ?
mp_en_viaje: yes,
asciilifeform: a+++
mp_en_viaje: also a buncha assus boards also support it. but i don't want to have all the boards from same manuf.
asciilifeform: i'ma get meself a sample or 2
mp_en_viaje: hundy or so, no big deal.
asciilifeform: previously only encountered working eccism in 'opteron' boards.
asciilifeform: ( the vendors had annoying habit of not routing the pins. why, cannot say )
asciilifeform: btw afaik ~all~ amd cpu since k7 support eccism. issue only ever was chipset/mobo.
mp_en_viaje: aha.
asciilifeform: imho -- significant find, ty mp_en_viaje
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: any idea if these people made a multi-socket board ?
mp_en_viaje: this one is a mega-video board. has TWO agp slots and THREE of the mini-power feeder things.
asciilifeform: aa , meant cpu hole
mp_en_viaje: but right off i dun recall. i think there may be an assus.
asciilifeform: there's the famous 'KFN4-D16' asus, afaik the very last to support the very last amd-sans-fritzchip. but that was 'opteron' , rather than 'fx' (and quite rare.)
asciilifeform: 2013 iirc.
asciilifeform: ( in turn, this was the last combo made where could boot 'blobless' 'coreboot' (aka 'linuxbios') etc )
asciilifeform: i.e. last gasp before http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/search?q=amd+turd .
mp_en_viaje: i suspect this will also boot blobless (though probably not in dual vidcard support)
asciilifeform: it oughta! being 'fx'
mp_en_viaje doesn't have so much time to fuck with this right now, but i wanted to get the above out early.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: thing absolutely is bootable clean. is from prior to the madness.
asciilifeform: (just like the 'g-series' in 'apu1' etc)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: are you thinking of planting cuntoo ?
mp_en_viaje: well yeah, gotta give hanbot something to suffer throught
asciilifeform: lol
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/05/semiconductor-market-headed-towards-downturn-as-more-intel-data-leak-flaws-emerge/ << Qntra -- Semiconductor Market Headed Towards Downturn As More Intel Data Leak Flaws Emerge
asciilifeform: ^ in related noose, reportedly 'everspin', the 'magnetic ram' people , is tanking. which on one hand is sad, 'eeprom that dun wear out' is imho neat and moar or less required for sane computer . but on other hand, perhaps usg.patentholder co. gotta die for the thing to become economically viable
asciilifeform: ( last i looked, coupla month ago, their flagship product was a 35nsec nonvolatile ram, 256mbit , guaranteed for ~infinite write cycles )
asciilifeform: principal competition is of course 'ordinary sram + battery'. but batteries gotta be kept fresh, and misbehave at temperature extremes, occupy space, catch fire, etc
asciilifeform: 'magnetic ram' also claimed to have serious radiation resistance ( unlike conventional sram ) , but i have not verified . physically sound claim tho.